Comparing Colors BMPCC4k vs Sony A7Riii

[@RexSmithII]

I’m sorry I couldn’t get pass the first 5sec when you said you are using video mode in the pocket. Every professional knows this camera is designed for post production, not using directly out of camera. That’s the whole purpose of this camera and the codecs they give you. I have 2 of these cameras and it has never left the raw/film setting, gives me complete control in my edit bay and I can match any camera look I want. Other then that I watched a lot of your videos and I am a fan. Thanks

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Sorry Rex, sorry you couldn't get passed that. If I shot film and slog that would enter my sub-par coloring skills which would give different results if you had or others had done the tests. If I owned the Pocket I would only shoot in film 95% of the time.

[@kuunami]

Yeah it defeats the purpose of the camera.

[@christophermoonlightproduction]

Yeah, no disrespect to Dave but if you're going to shoot in video mode then you're getting the PC4K for the wrong reason. Not only that but it seems weird to nitpick limitations on one camera against another that is around 2.5X the price.

[@migueldelgadillo9673]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado But you didn't even have to touch coloring. Just convert to Rec 709 with a LUT or, better yet, DaVinci Resolve Color Management.

[@puddytat62]

True. In order to actually get the full dynamic range and number of stops BM says the camera can deliver you really do need to shoot in a log format. Similar of course to most larger cinema cameras .. ie C300 M2 .. SONY F55 etc. But for quick and dirty I guess you can forgo the log settings. Hard for me to really keep track of the SONY A7 series but from what I recall these are all 8 bit 4 2 0 pseudo pro cameras . Cannot recall the bit depth on BM for 4K but guessing it is at least 10 bit 422

[@dcloud]

Hey Dave! Try this on your next video: Shoot in raw Match raw to Sony in resolve Save the LUT Apply LUT to the p4k Record with LUT on camera Compare

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Interesting idea, if I have time I will try it.

[@ChronicBurnout3]

But you need to shoot SLOG2 using one of the Sgamut color spaces for optimal dynamic range into the 8 bits you have to work with. But it needs to be graded of course. If you dont do this, you're handicapping the Sony camera greatly. Of course would be even better comparison with Sony on external recorder using DNxHQ.

[@cammackey]

I actually liked the pocket 4Ks original footage. Film’s gamma levels are usually lower than digital cameras.. which is why they don’t look as “cinematic”. The Sony’s images looked super digital compared to the pocket camera, in my opinion.

[@joshmvfx]

This is actually the other way around. Film has crazy high gamma compared to video. The contrast comes from the stretch in the shadows to blacks.

[@Moriarty2007]

You can choose one of Sony PP to look more as “cinematic”.

[@connor3010]

@@joshmvfx technically "film" as a whole in terms of gamma really is dependent on the type of film and the processing applied. Some lower ISO b&W films are remarkably contrasty but many films are also not so crushed and so when you print it you would add a contrast filter to output it to your liking. The latter option is what allows the film to retain more highlight detail which you can use to process into an image that looks more like what you want the output to be later and that is the same thing you essentially do with these modern cinema cameras in post color production.

[@connor3010]

also "gamma" colorspace isn't really what i would call this in physical film

[@Whatsup_Abroad]

it shoots raw. You can literally change the colors in any way you see fit....@Rajasekharan Vichattu

[@Almost-Nothing]

This one is for the video makers, not the film makers

[@dimacrossfire]

cinema camera vs dslr

[@marquism1799]

Interesting choice to use video mode on the BMPCC 4k, since almost all users of the BMPCC 4k are interested in it's "Film" mode and dynamic range. Would've much rather seen an S-Log on the A7R3 vs the BMPCC 4k's Film Lossless Raw

[@Humcrush]

Thanks for this, was interesting to see the comparison I think it is worth noting, though, that this really isn't how anyone would use the Pocket 4K. if you're going to shoot with the video profile, you'd might as well not shoot with a Blackmagic camera. These cameras are really all about shooting RAW and having options in post.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

This is very true, I would not shoot in Video mode, I would shoot film and add the LUT later. But if I did these tests that way I would become part of the test and that wouldn't help anyone since I am not a pro colorist.

[@SCrowley91]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado I'd be interested to see if the log/raw with BlackMagic's lut is significantly different from the standard video mode. Might be worth a mini-test as well if you've still got the camera! I'm surprised the Pocket did as well with the single-channel saturation as it did, I expected the smaller sensor would have fallen apart with that kind of demand, though I guess the pixel pitch isn't as far off with the Blackmagic being built specifically for video.

[@RexSmithII]

Very true, exactly my comment

[@SCrowley91]

@@billycausey9848 that's true for both cameras. The Sony has more DR in slog or even cine 1-4. But the point of this video was to see how usable the Blackmagic was for quick turn around type projects. I love 10 bit 4k as much as anyone, but some projects just don't benefit from it. If all you ever filmed was shorts and zero budget features, then the raw/log from the black magic is the obvious choice, but if you want more versatility, like a compressed code for long interviews, then it's a different story.

[@huyked]

@@SCrowley91 Hi Sean. You stated, _"The Sony has more DR in slog or even cine 1-4. "_ I'm trying to find info on that. Could you point me to a test/video, etc.? I can't seem to find any definitive test of BMPCC 4K vs. S-Log 2 from the a7S II.

[@LukePighetti]

I run a Sony A7iii and it was a calculated decision over the pocket 4k. One of the things I gave up was the ability to record RAW and the excellent codecs that the pocket 4k offers. You have to make use of these codecs and compare them to the A7iii using HLG + Leeming LUTs for it to be a clear comparison. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to post.

[@paulgthompson]

In the sunrise shot, you suggest it's a matter of preference, but I found myself asking "Well, were the clouds pink or were they orange?" It's kind of important to know if the clouds were actually pink and the Sony rendered them orange, or vice versa. Without having seen it myself, I can't say which is more accurate, but I can say the BM image looks more natural and pleasing. Perhaps this is an example of how the Sony pushes reds toward yellow? Thanks for the comparison video. And don't sell yourself too short on color grading, you can't possibly be as bad at it as you claim. :)

[@curtisjudd]

Interesting find re: color in the shadows.

[@TheGman901]

Damn the pocket 4k has amazing dynamic range...color grading heaven for low budget

[@ten._.s]

3:14 put your phone into a vr box or do the 3D eye trick... the two cameras are spot side by side which creates a 3D image!

[@miklosnemeth8566]

I think a number of BM fanatics simply didn't understand what Dave wanted to demonstrate here. He clearly demoed that BM Pocket 4K is absolutely not for a regular videographer who expects readily available "color science" from a camera like the BM Pocket. I am really happy and appreciate his work that his review just demonstrated that for the style I do videography a camera like the Sony A7III or Canon EOS R with their S-Log, C-Log is way more than enough. I wouldn't have time and perseverance to learn the competence to tweak out the extra "bells and whistles" from the image of this camera.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Thanks Miklos!

[@RodneyCooperFilmz]

I get that, but the issue still stands. You don't buy a cinema camera to shoot in film mode. For that you'd be better off buying a DSLR!! Dave is that dude, but he def lost some cool points with this video.

[@brown2840]

Are you sure you didn't have it labeled backwards @ 8:00 on? The BM has a distinct soft bloomy look and your graphic says it's the sony. I feel like they are labeled incorrectly

[@AndrewPRoberts]

If you're exposing for the highlights and the midtones end up darker, doesn't that just mean that the camera has more dynamic range?

[@manchumuq]

Putting those two together for comparison is a insult to BMPCC, period.

[@TheRealRyanMickens]

Hey dude, the BMCC4k is meant to be a Cinema Camera. Just like with RED, it's not going to look as colorful as any other camera because of the awesome potential of color grading in post production. I don't think you should be messing with saturation before working with the color grading first IMO, so its a bit of an unfair review here. The Sony is more of a point and shoot camera though

[@FernwehChronicles]

Hey Dave, great video! Quick question, are you based out of Colorado? The brick building that said SDL on, I used to do software testing in there a long time ago, if that's the one in Louisville that is.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Yep, I live in Superior.

[@FernwehChronicles]

Ha, that's what I meant, Superior! Nice, we live right around the corner in Evergreen. Been watching your videos forever and never realized that you're based out of our neck of the woods. I know we have very different types of channels but if you're ever up for a collaboration of sorts, shoot us a message! Anyways, thanks for all the tutorials over the years which have helped and facilitated our channel!

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

@@FernwehChronicles Thanks for the offer I might take you up on that sometime.

[@FernwehChronicles]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado That would be great! You probably figured by the video I'm commenting on, but I recently picked up the BMPCC 4K and am looking forward to running it through its paces on our upcoming trip to Hawaii. Time for a Blackmagic-off! 😂

[@amanieux]

hi dave, at 8:50 you say you matched the tone curve of the bmpcc4k to look like a7r3, why not the other way around (matching a7r3 to bmpcc4k) ? thanks for sharing

[@JimRobinson-colors]

I am of similar age to you Dave and can completely relate to the focusing on small screens. We have the ability to fix almost everything in Post - but being out of focus, as far as I know, is not fixable. Always wanted an EVF that I can strap to my head - sometimes it's hard to get down to the camera at certain angles. The obvious solution with this camera is to plug in a monitor. I think even though you were matching the Sony to the Pocket - your skin tone looked better to my eyes on the pocket - not so much as hue color but the skin looked more natural in its pigmentation. The highlight roll off with Sony's always seem a little harsh on skin tones to me and look less realistic. Colorist approach would have been to get one perfect and then match the other. Not a huge fan of Sony color either but it is such a popular camera line now that we all start getting used to it - which makes other things look off. I also think that if everything matched up to the vectorscope - the camera would lose it's character and at that point you may as well use the color chart overlay in Resolve. Color grading is never about accuracy - it is about perception.

[@brentthomasaustin]

Can't you just buy an external evf for the camera? Doesn't make sense to lose interest in the whole product because of this. With the extra cash you saved from the BMPCC4k compared to the A7riii, buy a nice evf connected with an HDMI cable. I mean, for sake of argument,you could probably afford a used arri evf-1 with the extra money you saved from buying a sony camera, lmao

[@connor3010]

The blackmagic cameras base footage is NOT supposed to be saturated or vibrant or contrast'y and that is on purpose. You are supposed to color grade it to get it looking right and its ability to let you do that is one of its biggest strengths and allows the footage's quality to be both flexible and very high quality if you know what to do with it. Try comparing ungraded red footage to a cannon dslr with color done in-camera based solely on color and of course the cannon will look better before editing. This is no different. The low contrast, low saturation, low vibrancy footage is what allows such excellent ability on these cameras to retain highlight and color detail in a way that looks almost like film because it is getting pretty damn close to actual film light quality (arii alexa for example is damn near perfectly filmic)

[@pcfxr4u]

Thanks Dave, I'm certain that the reason software allows for color correction is just for that reason. Cinematographers keep great records of their lenses, lighting, dates, and such, so they can go back if necessary for re-shoots, and also to maintain colors, lighting between shots. In the case of measuring color differences between the two cameras, everything must be as equal as possible. Can you get adapters to permit putting one common lens on both cameras? Especially those with no glass in between. Personally, I think the review is excellent, and you've more than amply shown that the BM camera can be matched, and that's all that's likely needed. Dave, the country owes you a great deal for your time and effort doing these videos. I hope someday you get some kind of KZbin views award. Larry

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Larry thanks for the kind words. They do have adapters so I could use one lens for both cameras but I don't have one of those anymore sorry.

[@rosemarydrumcompany6824]

I appreciate you work on this, but I don't think its a very good comparison to compare the Pocket in video mode. The point of a comparison is not to see if you can make the shots match I wouldn't think. You want to see how the colors compare. I think it would have made more sense to record the pocket in film mode and the Sony in slog2 or 3, apply a basic rec 709 lut to each, and then compare how the two footages look. That would have shown any differences.

[@rosemarydrumcompany6824]

the nature of recording those baked profiles straight out of camera reduces their dynamic range and makes both cameras underperform to their true capability

[@amanieux]

at 8:37 you and max yurev are the only ones pointing out that bmpcc4k has moire problems, it is a big deal because it cannot be fixed in post - colors are really nice on bmpcc4k, the a7III skin is too yellow but i guess it can be fixed in post

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

I was really surprised to see that.

[@OnyksFilm]

Do You used the same lens?

[@1stoptech]

Your one of the few who prefers Sony colors. Cool, I don't believe these two cameras belong on the same project. You definitely confirmed that belief

[@TonyDae]

Nice comparison Dave! Interesting to see how much saturation the Sony bakes to the file by comparison. I want to point out that you can import a 3D LUT with the corrections that you would make to the color and tone curves so that you can bake those adjustments to your file instead of having to adjust them every time in post. Thanks again!

[@zoom2027]

can u tell me what format you are shooting, therefore we can compare it side by side.

[@pcfxr4u]

Hi Dave, I see at 8:14, that the clarity on the BMCC is super while the Sony combo is not so sharp.

[@Ben-fq1lj]

But at what cost? Look at the moire/aliasing in the hat a Dave points out, plus you might be seeing some of the off spots like that hat that have less contrast/a haze on it. I definitely think the BMCC is a little bit sharper, but with a m43 sensor, its useless to me personally for my tastes.

[@SteelTone]

would be more accurate to use the cinema mode of the bmpcc and apply a conversion LUT to REC709

[@shaunmichael7555]

i cant balive he did not think of this ....

[@BlueFourDelta]

Hey Dave! Can you elaborate on the picture profiles you were using? I know you weren't using "film" on the BM, but were you in video, or extended video? Also for the A7III, which profile were you using? Or were you using profile off? Sony's always have 15-20 different gamma/color options to choose from..

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

I was in Video, not extended video. I was using Creative Style Standard with 0,0,0 settings.

[@BlueFourDelta]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado Thanks for the clarification Dave!

[@jeffhalebopp]

Hey Dave, I wonder if the aliasing in the hat at 8:28 is from Infra Red contamination? I've seen information on "IR contamination" being a problem across black magic cameras since they don't have an IR filter built on the sensor. This creates a huge problem in the the shadows, the effect turns blacks and grays into reddish gray. This would be a huge issue for me. Do a KZbin search for "CREATING AN ART HOUSE SHORT (BTS Filmmaking Tutorial)" by "Savage Stock" at 7.40 he shows the effect of the problem. He had to do huge color correction to try to mask the problem that can't be totally corrected.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Interesting theory, I am not sure if that would cause it. I guess I could try one of my ND filters that has IR filter built in to it.

[@cerberusaoe]

I have run into IR contamination on my PCC4k, but it ended up being completely solved with putting IR filters on my lenses. B+W makes good ones.

[@trevorpinnocky]

I’ve shot Sony mirrorless since it was released because the workflow is amazing. I’ve never chosen then Sony for its color science. It’s wretchedly bad. The reasons LUTs are so popular for this camera is because people always want to make it look different. There’s no true red and the greens look comical. I have to make so many adjustments in Resolve it’s crazy. Its why I moved to the GH5 and pocket 4k. Still have my Sony. Still like the camera. Still hate the color.

[@KedarKhot]

Very valuable feedback. Thanks Dave

[@Jaibytes]

SONY A7RIII lenses are compatible with Black magic pocket 4k ?? or is necessary some adapter?

[@amanieux]

what lens and aperture were you using ? bmpcc4k image looks sharper it is the first time i see that in tests. also at 8:43 your eyes are sharper on bmpcc4k and the background lamp behind your head is blurrier on bmpcc4k ibb.co/PC6ZRJS how is that possible ?

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

The new panasonic 12-35 f2.8

[@amanieux]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado was it at f2.8 ? wow this lens is really sharp or you missed focus on a7III (what lens and aperture ?) ibb.co/PC6ZRJS

[@amanieux]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado hi dave, at 10:59 what lens and aperture were you using on the a7III ? where you manually focusing on the color checker's text or on your eyes ? thanks

[@fffuturecreative4302]

@Dave Dugdale I would like to know that as well

[@Weird_Quests]

What lenses would you recommend? People have suggested the 12-35, others the speed booster and the sigma 18-35, others have recommended primes.

[@dirface]

Wow, eye opener! I'd rather work 'with' the BM than 'against' the over saturated and contrasty Sony. Was looking at both for a purchase coming up next month. Thank you!

[@femibamigbetan]

The problem with the test is the Blackmagic has more contrast. Two cameras cannot give you similar contrast due to sensor and internal processing. If you shot in log they would be closer in results. I rather have more detail with contrast than with higher highlights. Blackmagic cameras are film cameras and apart from RED are most have less saturation and contrast. The parameters for the test are not fair.

[@Channel8eight]

Is it just me or is the BMPCC 4K sharper than the Sony?

[@MadMusicLine]

It is, Cause the sensor is much smaller. But What i also See is the strong chromatic aberration of the bmc in the scene with the Baseball cap. A lot of Red and green. Maybe it is the Lens? 🤔

[@brentthomasaustin]

Higher bitrate obviously

[@billyoung9538]

@@MadMusicLine Sharpness has little to do with the sensor size (with the exception of dept of field), but does have everything to do with both Lenses and, to a lesser degree the format the image was captured in. The BMPCC 4k is using micro 4/3s lenses and the Sony is using E-Mount lenses. While lenses with a similar field of view were used on both cameras they are still different glass, and that will impact both the sharpness and also the colors if the two lenses are not color matched. IF any one is reading into what I'm implying, yes, I'm also stating that some of the color differences we are seeing in this video not not just the cameras color science, but likely the lens choices as well. Anyone who has been shooting cinema for a while knows that the glass in front of a lenses has more impact on the colors than almost any other factor because lenses can change the colors on the exact same camera with the exact same sensor. This is why when shooting films cinematographers typically stick with matched len sets. Otherwise one must often correct lenses color differences in post.

[@joelmulder]

So, how about that Pocket 6K Pro with the EVF?

[@pcfxr4u]

Hi Dave, May I ask if you used the same lenses on both cameras? Is it possible the lenses are causing the shift? I'm not asking with an attitude by the way, I'm really interested in knowing if that played any part in the comparison. Thanks, Larry.. Also, in 4K on my monitor, the camera/lens you shot with looks gorgeous.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

I had to use different lenses. The lenses I used a both pretty good.

[@SaberUniversal2024]

Gracias, en verdad me sirvió, desde Colombia un saludo Dave.

[@extrashot]

Great examples of the differences Dave... thank you. 👍 I think I prefer the colour of the BM simply because it feels more natural to me, but if I didn't need RAW then I'd probably be going for the GH5S !

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Thanks for watching. I have never been a fan of the Sony colors, I feel like I am always fighting them. I think I like Canon colors the best then BM and Sony is last.

[@DawRoStudio]

Was waiting for such a video. Thank you!

[@ChristopherShawnShaw]

Thanks, Dave! God bless you!!! And Happy New Year!

[@techjedi2878]

Have you considered using one of those HDMI goggles drone operators use as an EVF for a camera like this?

[@ArtyomGalstyan]

2:31 Notice the reflection on the table, bmpcc seems to have more dynamic range than sony

[@shakiermuhammed9504]

Hi, which is the good lense for bmpcc 4K.?

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Panasonic 12-35mm bhpho.to/2GlYcwn

[@ddenizc]

The name of the camera is Cinema Camera, :D please man I don't like disliking videos but thinking to replace a6500 with BMPCC :) what a laugh. good luck with youtube.

[@peterpahn123]

Nice video! May I ask, what lighting do you use on your moderation? =)

[@mtollin2002]

This is bit of an apples and oranges comparison.. But dig the anamorphic. :)

[@nonamedrumguy1049]

Interesting comparison. Thank you. But my biggest question is, what are your timeline video dimensions to get 2.35:1 playback? lol.

[@MaxMiesen]

Do you recommend getting a native lens or a viltrox speedbooster + sigma 18-35? They would both be around the same price for me.

[@SeanWitzke]

Not dave here, but if it's a matter of budget. Do the the Viltrox and Sigma! It'll set you up in the long run to add EF-S or full frame lenses. Native you're hooped at building a micro four thirds lens library. Maybe have one micro four thirds lens kicking around for those days you wanna go hiking, or on a trip to keep it light. Hope that helps!

[@aleksandrasnelkinas5953]

Am I get right, you compare two cameras with different lenses on them?

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Yes, I don't own that adapter any longer.

[@aleksandrasnelkinas5953]

I'm afraid that this type of compering are not objective. Contrast, collars, details it's all up to lenses. Anyway thanks for the effort. It's always interesting to see any new videos of camera you are planing to buy)))

[@beavis8073]

You could get an external monitor and apply the luts in that. Or maybe just took the cameras up to your laptop and played the footage in OBS while recording. Not trying to be negative but its just a thought I had.

[@timrober75]

Thanks for this Dave. Love the colour science in BM cameras and (even on this test) I'm never quite convinced by the Sony DSLR colours. There's always a sense (to my eye) that Sony seem to be 'trying a bit too hard', as is evidenced in the beautiful big sky you shot. Hands down prefer the BM colours on just about anything. Really helpful test :)

[@chosenideahandle]

It's actually not a DSLR (the Sony). You don't need to be convinced by the colour profile in a camera, you can just switch to another or adjust it yourself in your camera settings. There is no "science" in colour science anymore, when colour is subjective (and science is not). Out of camera colour is just a LUT in the firmware written by someone at the manufacturer with an opinion about colour, just like we all have an opinion about colour.

[@timrober75]

@@chosenideahandle Of course... I didn't want to pick Dave up about basing his 'opinion' on log footage and LUTs (ie I never use BM cameras in Video mode) but he has elected to use what the manufacturer outputs as a standard. And, as such I have an opinion about Sony's (and BM's) 'standard' output. Thanks for correcting me on the DSLR term, I am completely wrong there, but I was trying to point out that I wasn't talking about Sony cinema cameras. Love your Iceland film by the way :)

[@omaranasr2659]

I think Fatcalf Media meant to say a still camera by saying a DSLR camera!

[@VicMorrowsGhost]

Every single time my brain still expected you to say, "Learning Digital Video Dot Com" :S

[@jdweyd]

The only thing that I think bmpcc4k is lacking compared to sony, canon and panasonic is the ( ibis ) image stabilization and the articulating screen to be the perfect camera for anybody that does not have a ton of money to spend on all the expensive gears that make any camera a full filmaking tool. Dave thank you very much for your honest videos as always and dont forget the green screen test since everybody forgot about it.

[@MARZILLI]

Nobody shoots in “video” on the bmpcc4k... No way to get around the “work” Come on big Dave! Lol. Nice job!

[@MichaelWeizenfeld]

BM still can not make good official LUTs for years till now. They have all the information about response tone curves, gamuts of their sensors, but is it too complicated to make relative/perceptual colorimetric lut with film-like tone curve?

[@AllThingsFilm1]

I actually prefer the color science of the BMPCC4K over the Sony.

[@incubus_the_man]

can't you create a LUT to match your BMPCC4K to A7Riii then install it onto the camera so you don't have to match in post?

[@huyked]

Aww, darn. Looks like you won't be able to test the raw dynamic range vs. S-Log 2 from the a7S II. :( Would have loved to have seen that and know which is better. Because I'm still deciding on buying it or staying with the a7S II.

[@renebatista8063]

I found out performing some testing that Pocket 4k has some real issues regarding white balance. I shot under controled studio lighting situation, both tungsten and daylight and in both cases white balance was way of on the Pocket. I managed to make it usable in Resolve but straight out of camera it wasn’t looking great at all.

[@sbozinovic]

Did you dial the measured K or have you used push wb of the camera?

[@justsuperjl]

If you're going to NAB this year, check out the Z CAM E2. I think you will like the colors even better than the Sony and BM. Now that they have ProRes as well.

[@jameswest5919]

Great as always. KZbin should use you as an example that you don't need a huge articulate arm holding a mic close to your mouth to capture clear sound, or to look professional.

[@alongtheway43]

I recognize that wind center!

[@Bobbylopezcreative]

I am really interested in this camera but I’m on the fence. I have the Sony a7RIII and would love to see more comparison vids.

[@avalanwa]

Nobody buys BMPCC 4K to shoot in "Video mode." NOBODY. You definitely shot yourself in the foot with this decision and I'm sure you've lost credibility with your well-informed audience. These two cameras are NOT in the same lane. Sorry. Moving forward, I'll take whatever you say with a grain of salt. You can't "handicap" a camera and then throw judgments, due to your lack of confidence in using it proffessionally.

[@peternevill4404]

Thanks for your perspective Dave!

[@ORLANDOCERON]

hello excellent video, greetings from Colombia ... I know it has nothing to do with the subject mentioned here that is the color but I wanted to ask you if the black magic BMPCC 4k works with the DEC aputure lens regain I would appreciate your help since I have not seen reviews of that tool in this excellent camera ... Greetings I would appreciate your help

[@hzubovi1]

Thank for the video Dave, I would like to ask You which picture profile on the Sony a7RIII has the most dynamic range and best colours.

[@Monte4Christo]

Awesome 👍👍👍👍👍

[@NorthProTV]

I Like the Black Magic Pocket better... looks more cinematic

[@adrinaik93]

Isn't a bad review, but the Pocket 4k is not the appropriate tool for the purpose described in the video. The big difference of this camera resides in its post-production capabilities: you can recover under and over-exposed footage, gradients are shown as gradients and not monochromatic bands, and there is more room for colors to be manipulated without the codec exploding like crazy, dirtying the whole image.

[@beachcomberfilms8615]

You know you can get external monitors, even a viewfinder eyepiece that fits over the screen, or even just a hood for the screen to shade it from the sunlight. All things that still cost way less combined than the A7Riii

[@metcalfemedia7512]

Will you be reviewing the Canon R?

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

I actually might, mostly to see if the colors have changed from the DSLR's.

[@metcalfemedia7512]

@@DaveDugdaleColorado I'd really enjoy it!

[@mc_studios]

Can someone tell me a difference in dynamic range between this 2 cameras?

[@keithhart3689]

Blackmagic 10,000 times better than any sony

[@Epicmind]

Wow... useful reply... give reasons instead of just talking like my 8 year old son... be constructive with your comments - you sound like a BM fanboy replying like that.

[@PostColorGear]

Thanks for doing this Dave! I love love what Sony does as far as a feature set, and I hear you on the unexposed midtones, but I am in love with those Blackmagic colors. The way that the reds are handled are perfect in my opinion. And I felt that the Sony was a little too yellow in these tests compared to BM. I never was a huge fan of the Sony colors. The skies were too cyan, and like you said, it handled blues, especially bright blues, strangely. Anyway, thanks for the side by the side! I can't wait to get my unit in and get some tests done myself.

[@Nahua808]

I always like your fair and competent tests. Like anything, cameras are tools and you need the right tool for the job. If it doesn't fit your workflow, then move on. Thanks for all your hard work and tests!

[@blackmagic4k179]

There is an 5 inch Lcd viewfinder that does the trick on Ebay Australia for the BMPCC4K. Its on my camera in my profile pic. liked seeing the comparison but I do prefer the Black magic look.

[@MonkEbar5]

If the midpoint of exposure for the bmpcc is lower than the Sony (when you’re exposing for highlights), that means that the dynamic range is wider!! Both of these cameras have a different dynamic range, so you should always expose for... exposure! That way you can see what’s lost in clip, what’s lost in crush, and get a truly accurate representation of their comparison. Also, if the image is darker there’s less saturation, especially if exposure is raised afterwards, so that may have had an affect on the lower saturation (although the bmpcc4k does have a less saturated image naturally)

[@sbozinovic]

Maybe he should have used kodak gray card, set the same iso on camera and dialed the exposure he got from the spot meter of middle gray. Or just used incident measured value. That way he could asses DR... BUT he was interested in color 😎

[@ThomazMartinez]

Please compare to EOS R or any Canon

[@JIMMY_NEMESIS]

Long time subscriber, i can say its the place to be for understading or learning camera color science and comparison

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Thanks, I appreciate that!

[@CineDecodificado]

You disappointed with the BM?

[@LightWthoutTheStatic]

Does anyone know if the P4k struggles with the so called 'red push' where there's a bit of a bump in the red channel and it's slightly pinkish? I'm seeing a lot about IR pollution, but in some of these shots I wouldn't expect IR to be the culprit, yet, there is a red push present.

[@WojtriX]

Great one!

[@James_m7]

Please compare the BMPCC6k vs Sony A7S III :-)

[@kylehamilton6560]

dave dugdale of the dugdale dimmadome?

[@patrickjenner3211]

By aliasing, do you mean moire? Blackmagic cameras are notorious for moire.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

Yes, sorry moire would be a better word for that.

[@albertoancona4107]

a regular guy attempting to make tutorial videos lol

[@TJ-po9ol]

Need to take it easy on that digital sharpening and magenta slider

[@thechisensei]

the Sony images shown above knda leans towards the 'photography (stills)' look or color, something like what smartphones are trying to achieve. BM looks exactly what it's for, filmmaking/RAW workflow.

[@DavidAcampora]

Whats going on with those shelves in the background lmao. Can't stop staring at it.

[@volkom91]

You can always add an external EVF, a Zacuto Gratical Eye or something. But yeah I think this camera is not for rec709 use, if you want to deliver in video-like rec709 this is not the right camera. This is for independent films that have scripts and require unique visual style.

[@SCrowley91]

While true about the EVF, you're talking about an EVF that costs as much as the Sony a7III. It's $700 bucks MORE than the actual camera. I don't know how many people are in a position to buy this camera AND the Zacuto (over 3 thousand bucks), and not also be looking at something like an FS5, which you can get used for the same price.

[@Ben-fq1lj]

Ooooh, I like the cropped 2:35.1 or whatever that is.

[@DaveDugdaleColorado]

I got a new 5k ultrawide monitor so I created a timeline to match it's aspect ratio. 3840 x 1620, I am not sure what that is.

[@aib666]

Dave Dugdale 2.37:1

[@benceeszes7154]

pocket 4k power not in prore with video profile :D Try it out better settings to try catch the quality with A7RIII.

[@legendp2011]

I know some people have custom luts they bake into the recording for blackmagic so they don't have to make it look rec 709