Comparing The Drummers of Slipknot (Joey vs Jay vs Eloy)

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

So...what do you think? Please understand, this is not a video RATING these drummers. It is simply looking at their differences and similarities and appreciating them for that.

[@nathangsssss]

I loved this, I'm a beginning drummer and Slipknot's always been my favorite band so I've always looked up to Joey and always dreamed of meeting him someday but unfortunately, I can't now (R.I.P) I've always been upset about his death, and I just went to my 1st concert 2 week ago and it was Slipknot 25th anniversary concert in NJ, and Eloy and just Slipknot in general killed it and I love watching Jay Weinberg's drum cam videos on KZbin, so all 3 of them are special to me in some way, so this video was great!

[@sidneysilvanascimento1065]

In this video the audio is better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zpabk3yaabtqa6c

[@ChrisGarfield]

If you wanna play with slipknot you have to have a Y at the end of your name.

[@SaboTaj-qf8qq]

i think you are good coach

[@18hot30]

I generally believe that even though all the drummers know how to play drums, you are only making this as clickbait as if we don't know who was the best.SSHAME SHAME SHAMEEE

[@jmatelli]

Joey: finesse and creativity Jay: chaos and energy Eloy: brutality and precision

[@danilomladenovic9314]

I think Joey takes energy and Jay takes the finesse

[@Idkwutimdoin]

Can you imagine Captain Planeting all three into one super drummer? 🤯🤯

[@MatheusFP104]

Joey: finesse and creativity Jay: chaos and energy Eloy: finesse, creativity, brutality, precision, chaos and energy

[@willacejunior7803]

Slipknot nunca teve um baterista fraco.

[@ChrisAdams180]

@@danilomladenovic9314 Joey def had the energy.

[@b-raffmusic9144]

The thing with joeys playing is…. He seems totally unbothered. It’s like he knows he’s exactly where he is supposed to be and why. RIP my dude 🤟🏻

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Agree. He just (apparently from what you can look up) came with a lot of his own inner demons. And that's hard for a band to get through.

[@azuazudesu]

Yeah wtf he looks so calm but at the same time, he's also the one that headbangs the hardest. Jay and Eloy usually just bops their head. (not that there's wrong with that)

[@CarolinaBassHunter]

​@@azuazudesuI swear to God the first time I saw the Disasterpiece DVD I was like 15, and I said "that's the calmest drummer I've ever seen." I thought he was just wearing face paint. 😂😂😂 I was new to Slipknot. I knew they wore masks, but I thought there was no way a drummer could play in a mask. Me and my brother in law and sister had a good laugh about it at the time. 😂😂

[@Aknight292]

The drummer for Trivium is the same way. Looks almost bored haha

[@haribernardo9065]

Tradução

[@bankerjumper]

Joey changed the game, Jay held the torch, Eloy is carrying the torch forward.

[@TheFloatingBartender]

Accurate as fuck

[@garydobbs5159]

No Eloy took the torch and stabbed in Jays back with the losers Cory and clown cheering him on. I’ll never like Eloy because he is just as bad as Cory

[@RealLin3r]

@@garydobbs5159 Please consider the fact that Eloy is a beast a drumming and is very successful considering that realize why he was picked, he's actually good at the job

[@bankerjumper]

@@garydobbs5159 I can see why you feel this way, but at the end of the day it's a job not a position someone is forever entitled to. I also had hard feelings when they let Joey go and didn't listen to anything in the Jay era because of that. Never any disrespect for Jay, he's a great drummer, but he just never clicked for me. Now with Eloy bringing the thunder I'm listening to Slipknot again with their rejuvenated power. If you have a gripe against Cory that's one thing, but to allow that to undermine Eloy's talent and work ethic is just immature and illogical.

[@garydobbs5159]

@@bankerjumper well I’m a die hard Sepultera fan also and I preferred the original to Eloy also. I understand in their case because the band aged out but there was nothing wrong with Jay. He was not old or boring or lack of talent. Cory did it as a personal jab at Jay . So I’ve never liked Eloy even with Sepultera but again I could see relaxing a aged drummer that can’t keep up anymore. You’ll never convince me Jay was inferior

[@evan3054]

Even with the low quality audio you can still hear how clean Eloy is. Epic

[@meusana3681]

You mean loud af! You can probably hear that guy through a hurricane...poor symbols. Jokes aside, dude is a beast.

[@JazzyJonas]

14:07 ish is unreal

[@mrchiefbs]

ELOY hits hard and I feel hes making it his own. He threw in that sweet triplet pulse that gave me stank face. Jay is exactly the type of drummer you need right after replacing someone so unique. He's solid as hell!

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Yea, they all brought something so unique

[@zac7258]

I liked Jays vibe but I feel like he wasn’t good for the band when playing live

[@sultankosmitov6293]

@@zac7258 Yeah, a good writer (considering a few really groovy and interesting parts) but his tempo is floaty. The man gets carried away with adrenaline and it leads to getting sloppy - when you can't keep up with the speed you've set for yourself.

[@raxr5705]

​@@sultankosmitov6293honestly, that was the same with Joey.

[@sultankosmitov6293]

@@raxr5705 Joey made this band. It's the same situation Lars's in - you can forgive a lot for his influence. But generally speaking, I can't agree. Joey sped up his parts live sometimes but still played more consistently than Jay. Less sloppy on the double bass too.

[@JohnDoe-hs8qq]

I respect Jay and Eloy. They are great drummers.. But Joey was, is and forever will be Slipknot. I grew up listening/watching him. He’s the reason I started playing drums 22 years ago.. He was my idol. He didn’t deserve how he was treated by the band. I love and miss Joey dearly. RIP brother.

[@rippindrummer666]

Eloy is technically speaking the best and it’s not even close but Joey just wrote such great parts.

[@jsullivan2112]

Whoosh

[@raxr5705]

I agree. If theres one thing Joey was superior at, thats his foot speed, but even then it was inconsistent. Still, like You said, there is no denying he wrote/played some of the catchiest/influential drum parts in metal history, which makes him a legend no matter what.

[@felipe8833]

​@@bigmonk802eloy cant play a blast beat? did you watch the video on mute?

[@jsullivan2112]

@@bigmonk802 Slipknot got big because of Ozzfest. Most people in the audience don't notice "technical mastery", only the 5 to 10 percent of the audience that might be nerds. Height has nothing to do with how hard or soft someone hits. That's all about technique. The crowd feeds off the most basic thing they can relate to: the vibe and the vocals. And let's be honest, the masks and jumpsuits had more than a little bit to do with their appeal. All three drummers are awesome, it's not a contest.

[@Greg-pz9nt]

True Joey and Paul wrote most of there stuff I'm a og slipknot fan since 99 Joey is the man I hate the comparisons that's just me

[@ShipReK66]

I love how Joey seems to "groove". Jay & Eloy feel like they are "attacking". Nice upload. Peace

[@alfonsomartinez2751]

I think Eloy has better groove than Jay tho Even in their new recording i always though that Jay lacked that sense of rhythm that Joey had I'll wait to see Eloy drum parts. With sepultura he was super groovie tho. That latin flavor is all there

[@sierragurth7322]

​​@@alfonsomartinez2751idk .5 The Grey Chapter and WANYK had a lot of groove in it with songs like Killpop and Nero Forte. Jays groove was stellar in my opinion.

[@robsymonds86]

So, I'll say, Joey, obviously the master creator, it's his band. Jay, copied Joey (fair enough) but added his own thing, individually VERY NICE, but I feel was a little too "rushed" for the songs AND rest of the band. Eloy....well....don't replace Eloy! Joey's style plus his own style that just sounds...👌...is a perfect tribute AND recreation of the songs, without changing the songs that we all love. Like...what else would you desire from someone in Eloy's place!

[@miykoskinen]

When Joey got fired I stopped listening to Slipknot and only a few months ago I started to listen to some of their "new" music. Anyway, I'm not a drummer and far away from being an expert, so for me, it's not just about who's more technical or faster, it's about what the music makes me feel. The energy, the desire to spend hours and hours listening to the same song on loop because listening to it once isn't enough. It's about connecting with the music, and that's what made me fall in love with Joey. I had never paid much attention to metal, much less focusing only on the drums, until I heard Joey playing. And suddenly I found myself watching his drum cams again and again, because even after watching over and over I am still impressed by how incredible and creative this guy was. And before, I would never have imagined that watching a show through the camera focused on the drummer could be so entertaining. And when I found out that he wrote many of the songs too, damn, yes I fell in love. 😅I love people that are passionate about the things they do, and I could feel the love he had for his music. So, yeah. I appreciate the talent of Jay and Eloy (I'm Brazilian too btw), and how they are honoring Joey, by being respectful and continuing his legacy. They are amazing drummers, but for me Joey will always be #1. Rest in peace Joey.🖤

[@kettujabamiesukkeliukko]

Reading that first line, I had the same experience. I didn't like that new album at first, but over the years I came to like Jay's style. Too bad the was kicked out.

[@garydobbs5159]

Eloy is a back stabbed who with the help of Cory stabbed a great drummer in his prime who didn’t need or deserve to be relaxed except Eloy is a yes man that will kiss Cory’s ass which evidently Jay would not do. No respect for Eloy and I am a good drummers of 40 years but I can’t respect someone who advertises his self to a band which he did with video he sent to them that already has a great drummer.

[@garydobbs5159]

Eloy is a back stabbed who with the help of Cory stabbed a great drummer in his prime who didn’t need or deserve to be relaxed except Eloy is a yes man that will kiss Cory’s ass which evidently Jay would not do. No respect for Eloy and I am a good drummers of 40 years but I can’t respect someone who advertises his self to a band which he did with video he sent to them that already has a great drummer.

[@rainwhenidie666]

Hope you play drums better than you speak.

[@RetrøjøhnyV.1]

@@garydobbs5159jay would rush in live performances fyi that’s why he got outvoted by the members and got the 👢

[@briancave3823]

Joey to me will always be the greatest Slipknot drummer. His speed and precision and creativity carried the band to what they are today. Joey is also in that class of effortless drummers. There are so few of them. Drummers that create a sound and do it, and when you see them, it's like they could do this all one handed (Think Mike Portnoy). He is #1. Jay came in and though he's a bit chaotic, carried the energy that Joey did on Stage, and most importantly the incredible live energy Slipknot had. Jay is a spectacular drummer, and just because he may be slightly below these 2 on the god scale, he's still other worldly. Eloy is probably the most technical, and gifted drummer of all of them. I wish Eloy was the guy that came in when Jay did when the band still wanted to play with that speed and raw energy in live shows. It seems obvious to me though that a change was made when the band chose to move on from Jay and bring in Eloy. Live shows should always tick up in tempo, but I've analyzed dozens of songs out on KZbin, and they tick down a few seconds from album on every song they play (this show in particular was almost painful and much slower than album speed.. Most songs by 5 to 10 seconds at end). I am curious to see an album created with Eloy though.

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

All great points. I honestly think we need to just give them time. I said the same with Josh Freese when he came into the FooFighters. He's one of the most in demand hired guns out there and some were talking about him no nailing the vibe of the FF. But given time, he's sunk in fantastically.grwat discussion points here!

[@briancave3823]

@@StephenTaylorDrums I fully agree here too. I think my biggest gripe to this point in the Eloy era, is that you went out and bought the McLaren F1 of Drummers, and to this point you've only driven it around your neighborhood stop sign to stop sign.... I did a song specific time analysis on the Sick New World 2024 Psychosocial video here on youtube in the comments section. The song with Joey in 2009 was 15 seconds ahead by the start of the breakdown at the end of the guitar solo. That's just... For a drummer like Eloy, that's purposeful.

[@user-tf4ho2uo1e]

Live shows don't ALWAYS need to be played faster. No one ever agreed to an immutable law like that. These guys are in their 50s and also the biggest metal band on the planet after Metallica. Maybe they made the deliberate choice to slow things a bit to get more mileage out of their tires

[@briancave3823]

@@user-tf4ho2uo1e It's obviously not an immutable law, and obviously not much more than my opinion. I am a musician... eh... I guess not really. I spent years as a last minute fill-in singer, grew up playing Jazz Saxophone and understand the guitar has 6 strings, and I can play a large number of songs only knowing 4 chords (if only I could figure out strumming patterns). But one thing I've always had and had better than most is an ear. I can hear when you are offbeat, out of tune, whatever. Live music played at normal or slightly slower tempo is boring. I know my opinion is worthless, and that's fine, and in a lot of ways Joey was playing too fast, but there has to be a happy medium. An incredibly talented group like Slipknot should be able to find it. Of course.. why bother for a moron like me I guess.

[@dustinmobbs4245]

Joey was what I loved about Slipknot. The drumming off their breakout album hooked me.

[@Jtitor177]

Joey makes it look easy. Jay makes me feel stressed out. Eloy makes me feel like I just did an intense workout.

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

Joey is a true master.

[@or1on89]

I didn't fell in love with Slipknot, I fell in love with Joey back in the day...and it took me many years and All Hope Is Gone to understand that: the writing, the playing, the energy, the absence of click tracks and just pure chaos, the abscence of click tracks. Then something changes, All Hope Is Gone was really a cold shower..something was off. I couldn't understand what happened to Joey...and then he was so sick that he couldn't play anymore for a while. If only we knew in time and the world was not such a fucked up place...I wonder if he was still alive if he could finally mend with the band. I, for myself, can't still forgive them fully. The lyrics of Pulse of The Maggots and Til We Die (two anthems for the fans from Joey and Paul) always echo in my head, Slipknot really felt like a family before Paul's death...and Joey was the golden child of the family. I miss him so much, he made me notice drums in music...he brought extreme drums to the mainstream. Rest in Power, True #1. P.s. before people start shitposting: I have all respect for Jay and Eloy yes, is the drummer of his generation for extreme metal. But there is something that you can substitute when life is dark and music clicks with you and comes in a swipe and saves you. That's what Joey did for me, and Joey's and Paul's songs really really spoke to me within my soul during my darkest years. I will always have to honour and tribute my drum hero. Peace.

[@RammmFan]

beat me to it, signing under every letter and word... exactly what i feel... i would probably never even get into Slipknot, if not for drum tracks... the way Joey created them (and other parts of songs too, how much did he write... A LOT... even after he was kicked you could still hear his works being implemented... such unique entities like Joey are born once in a hundred years... The guy who made us all want play drums... isn't it the greatest glory and achievement... he made it look so cool, so easy, and so desirable

[@Kapidrum]

I will write down each and every one of your words Brother. Slipknot was with Paul and Joey, now it's a good company.

[@leviathansky7188]

Well said man. Absolutely agree!

[@casper4202]

Well said

[@toshorlov3831]

Wonderful words you wrote there. Joey was truly One Of A Kind.

[@justinkidder6872]

I cannot wait for a comparison between songs written by Joey, Jay and Eloy

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Gonna have to wait for that one haha!

[@or1on89]

I genuinely think Jay didn't write any song. That was one of the gripes of Jim Root with the new members during the recording sessions of The End, So Far. And in Vol.5 most parts and some full songs were already written by Joey. Raealistically after Paul's death and the split with Joey Jim and Mick stood up to write along with Corey most of the material. And in fact (no rankings here) you can feel the difference in mood, tone and sound affiliation between the old material and the new material. Joey and Paul were a killer combo at writing. I hope Eloy will arrive at writing something in full at some point, but I think Jay genuinely lost that train.

[@m00rons]

@@or1on89 I think Jay wrote the drum parts on WANYK

[@arteryanz]

​@@m00ronssolway firth, itu cukup bagus di bagian drumnya

[@maxludlow6629]

@@justinkidder6872 Exactly he’s no 1 for a reason

[@BlazeThaMeziah]

Joeys passing is the only time I felt a celebrity passing aside from Chester Bennington. Dude was such a monster.

[@smashallpots1428]

that snare in the joey clip is so damn violent just hits different

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Agree, he laid that pocket a certain way with this band

[@Venteblack1]

THAT was thee OCDP Black Serpentine snare: 7x12 30 ply maple shell with Remo Ambassadors (later Brass with Controlled Sound X) 👌🏼🤓💯

[@clutchdaddy8108]

His sticks were pretty heavy too at the time

[@Venteblack1]

@@clutchdaddy8108 Yessir! Especially those aluminum AHEAD signatures. 🤘🏼💀

[@lukebogartmix]

It's for sure a sample/sample blend considering Colin Richardson mixed the Disasterpieces album, which is also why I think is why it's easily their best sounding live album

[@Bill-f7y]

All 3 are great, but Slipknot lost its soul When they lost Joey, may he rest in peace.

[@Brovlawski]

Nah that was when Paul died.

[@mrchiefbs]

before watching the video I know Joey incorporated metal with marching band snare strokes. Never seen anything like it. Such a unique driving force. I'm glad I got to see Joey play live when I was like 12.

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Oh, for sure. People really don't understand how much he changed the game

[@cekla6895]

He was actually in a marching band in high school

[@Schatje79]

Personally, I prefer Eloy's playing every time over Joey and Jay. They're good drummers but Eloy is just such a more polished, consistent drummer. His internal metronome...intensity...technique...it all adds up which is why we never see/hear him modify slight details of songs to make them a little easier live. In fact he's been allowed to add his own style of playing already which has made them a little more challenging to play while still serving the song and sounding incredible.

[@anonymous5401]

tracks considering joey has stated thats hes not the best at freestyle drumming

[@YouDumbZombie]

Blasphemy

[@Iceman_1203]

I agree with you, but Joey will always be my hero. Everything he represents is so inspiring to me.

[@daviguitar2000]

Eloy really offers much more security to the band. He has all the elements very evolved. While Jordi was just fast and creative. Those who analyze emotionally prefer the roots, Eloy is better.

[@austinwiebe3801]

Eloy's ghost notes are absolutely insane

[@unicornsupreme225]

I feel bad for Jay, lots of people undermine his ability and his addition to the band, saying that slipknot is “back” since Eloy replaced him. Jay was an extremely unique drummer and brought an intensity to it all that just feels so different to the other two drummers, I understand not everyone will have the same opinion but he’s such a G.O.A.T. Personally, while I think Eloy is a wonderful drummer, I do really miss the speed they had with Jay and Joey. They’re taking all the tempos down, which does make it more consistent but sometimes blazing fast metal just hits harder for me. Joey will always be my favorite due to his influence in the scene and his overall vibrance in his style however, but Jay doesn’t deserve any of the disses he gets sometimes.

[@godemperor3078]

Joey Jordison replaced the drummer of Satyricon on their US tour decades ago. Any serious person will acknowledge the level of talent required to accomplish this feat.

[@MrMoody-qz8kc]

Absolutely. But truth be told, he was sloppy.

[@joaotavas]

Jay playing feels that you are watching it in 2x

[@dougwalkerjr3586]

One thing for sure Slipknot knows how to choose a fucking drummer 😭 All three are absolute machines

[@johnnycastro9796]

Joey was actually one of the creators of slipknot

[@WishMount]

Looking back at it, Jay wasn't a bad drummer at all, he created his own feel within the band

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Absolutely he did

[@LCB_ttv]

As a non drummer I can't fathom the ability to drum that fast and headbang at the same time, joeys performance was spectacular

[@mynamejosh5536]

I love them all in their own way, but I'll always hold Joey in a special place in my heart, especially going back and watching 90s Slipknot videos, Joey the 🐐

[@Tanner-2]

Here is my take: Joey jordison is PERFECT for the first album as it brings out his unique style, flare, creativity, finesse, and his speed and enegy is unmatched in my opinion. Jay weinberg is PERFECT for the we are not your kind album because... im not sure how to explain it but the way he plays unsainted is so satisfying...his drum fills just hit all the right spots for that album. Eloy is PERFECT for iowa album as he really gets to express his speed, power and precision and finesse and creativity. Idk how to explain it but its so satisfying how he just hits the drums and does all the drumfills to diasterpeice and people equal shirt, they're so precise with so much power, energy and flow and thrash that it makes you want to bang your head hard asf.

[@LP004]

Regardless of who you think is the best, the one thing that’s clear and consistent is Slipknot knows how to hire a good drummer, they know one when they see one and they haven’t disappointed.

[@stephenthedude4383]

RIP joey

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Sorely missed

[@chrisstonee1829]

Joey. There’s a reason every huge metal band wanted to work with him during tours and subs and albums. He’s the best

[@razgmk]

"Better" is subjective. Slipknot never had a bad drummer. They were and are all great in their own way. While I think Eloy is a machine, and one the best metal drummers today, personally, I loved Joeys playing style more than anyone else's. His technique, his groove, the head-banging, his style. He had an unmatched "elasticity" in his playing that made love watching and hearing him play. He will always be #1 in my book.

[@mrddcass6540]

Joey had the groove that Eloy and Jay lack. Eloy is technically better and hits the drums harder but that doesn't mean he's a better fit.

[@RickJonesPlaystheDrums]

Eloy is a freaking monster! All the drummers are amazing, but Eloy is boss!!! His power and precision is incredible!

[@joeasema446]

Joey used rudiments a lot that go unnoticed like in the build up he goes from a single stroke roll to a double stroke roll on the snare ( and the song purity is a paradiddle between the right foot and left hand ) and it looked like jay only played singles. couldn't really see eloy but he also sounded like singles. now that being said i'm excited to hear new music with eloy driving the slipknot bus bringing his latin percussion style into the mix as well which he has already in that first show the 3 snare part of psychosocial sounds amazing and way different than before.

[@x8jason8x]

Jay was constantly rushing and wearing out, they had to full trigger his kicks. He also rolled blasts that Joey did (you can see and hear it in these song comparisons). I don't mind pointing it out. Jay's probably at his best with a Suicidal Tendencies gig. Max did him no favors shoehorning him in Slipknot. I'm not sure which buildup you're talking about, but on this song, there's a buildup in the beginning where he goes from singles blast to doubles, and Eloy does that on his old playthrough. Can't tell on the cameraphone, but I doubt he stopped doing it? 🤷‍♂

[@mccbuddytaras6637]

if you watch joey's playing specifically compared to jay and eloy, you can really see the evolution to less body taxing movement. you can watch joey tense up for the faster blasts on his hands and then by the time we're watching jay 17 years later, it doesn't look as labored and stiff in those same parts. the techniques for speed evolved because of what joey did. Eloy brings the power joey had back, where jay brought the technique. not to say that either of them are better or worse, but that's where i see the difference. Joey was a product of the technique available at the time, Jay learned the better technique, but lost the power, and then Eloy comes in and just smashes it all while using those techniques.

[@negoras]

the great thing about Joey,besides his playing is that he wrote lots of the most hardcore drum playing.The thing that got me into slipknot back then,was the insane drumming.

[@Jordisonfan13]

I think we should wait till Eloy writes drum parts so we can compare the feel of all 3.

[@nilo9801]

Well... Eloy wrote a lot of drum parts to Sepultura... We can tell that he's very creative too

[@johnbzr]

O trabalho do Sepultura é mais complexo do que o Slipknot

[@alfonsomartinez2751]

​@@nilo9801he made sepultura kinda a prog thrash band

[@myprivateyoutube1440]

Sepultura. Casagrande and Hynasz. (There's a video where they open up for AAL and Gartska hears Eloy play a groove and moves up to the stage to see wtf he is actually doing) Eloy's cover of Lady Gaga's Telephone. There's sooo much out there for you to see what Eloy is truly capable of. All y'all see and hear is "hrrr drrrr Joey!!!". As a drummer, it's miserable to know how little y'all metal drumming fans know about the instrument and the musicians who play them. Eloy is as good a metal drummer as the very best metal drummers that have ever sat on the throne. Joey was a great metal drummer. But not the best. Gartska is better. Duplantier is better. Lang is better. And Eloy is as good as any of them On a scale of proficiency/skill? Eloy is playing way below his abilities with Slipknot.

[@Jordisonfan13]

@@myprivateyoutube1440 ok thank you

[@ZoranRadovanovDrums]

OG is the OG

[@NWOWCW4Life1]

You got a guy who basically formed his own style while taking in influences for his time and made it big in his own right. A prodigy who learned with his famous father and is a beast in his own right. And another one who’s also a prodigy that just rose up and is very clean. They all bring something with their drumming and they deliver.

[@valtsantos5921]

Quem acabou de surgir???? Eloy em 2011 ja tocava no Rock in Rio Entrou pro sepultura e só saiu porque o Slipknot o chamou. Ele nao apareceu agora e sim você o conheceu agora.

[@x8jason8x]

Jay's no prodigy lol. He's a serviceable at best drummer, and never belonged on SK's kit. The fact that you don't know Eloy is well known throughout the world, and has been winning pro world competitions since he was a child kind of renders your opinion moot. What really says something is that they fired Jay _as soon_ as they were out of their contract with Roadrunner. He's a terrible diva who pulls his daddy card as often as possible.

[@samlewis2062]

love the fact they've gone back to the jump suits feels darker again

[@jonathanmott1408]

Love this comparison! All 3 are legends. Would love for you to do a comparison of Suicidal Tendencies' drummers.

[@joelara10]

Joey hands down! Both power and technique.

[@MajinMind]

Joey's chaotic drumming especially on the first album is unrivaled.

[@michaelshannon9169]

Joey edges it over eloy. He's as technically proficient but Joey's power, the swing he gets on his sticks is insane, there's no jazz tapping during quick parts. Secondly Joey's sense of composition is incredible, his parts are so interesting and being so much to the song. Listen to Slipknot without the drums and the guitar parts are actually pretty straightforward, it's Joey's drums that enrich the song.

[@Downhuman74]

The thing I've always loved about Joey's style was the almost unhinged, chaotic quality he had to his playing - especially live. It sounds like it could go off the rails at any moment but it never did. He was always in total control. Eloy has that same quality in spades but is a lot more precise. Jay is like the best of both worlds, really. I heard a lot of stuff about how he wasn't cutting it live and I just don't see it - the dude has always been a beast live. They traded one of the best drummers in the scene for probably the best drummer in the scene (which tells me their issues were likely interpersonal).

[@jimismith6648]

was chatting to a drum teacher about jay's playing, and the way he sits at the kit is super unorthodox. He's right up on his snare, almost sat over the kit. Super different to other drummers

[@USO7777]

Honest opinion, Joey sounds the best 👌. Plus, his headbanging technique while flawlessly playing the drums is sick. They are all 3 great, but when the song really jumps off, it just hits better with Joey.

[@diegodefante]

joey still the best in my opinion he created the best drums line in the history of heavy music ever

[@Zniper21j]

Agree! 👍!

[@hendo338]

Yep. They just don't sound right after Joey. My opinion.

[@balfit]

Thanks @StephenTaylorDrums I love your approach of 'comparing' and not 'judging' and 'racing'... I feel reassured in my views, this is how I look at it too.

[@uphillracer]

What Joey is playing is all in all so complex

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

It really is. He changed the entire game

[@brunxcardster]

Brazilian musicians are saying Eloy Casagrande is inserting Maracatu and Samba black rhythms techniques to the drums. Can't wait to see them live in Brazil, SA.

[@cameronjohnson5354]

I love the comparison it is truly impossible to choose a favorite musician even from multiple genera's, that's why we all play an instrument because we all do it a little differently. Jay got me started into drums I forever owe him my support, btw his SJC 48-ply snare is nuts and it weighs like 30 LBS!

[@xXxThelegend27xXx]

I’m so fucking glad Eloy is in this band now, he brings a ferocity to the older songs that I’ve been missing

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Agree. He's got an energy for sure

[@zedpwner]

13:09 a crowdsurfer landed on top of him, i have footage just like that

[@blaked2893]

When you reach a level of greatness so high that most musicians will not achieve it comes down to personal preference. All 3 are amazing pure masters of the drums. For me Joey will always have an edge for the fact that I remember buying self titled the day it came out and was blown away.

[@Mr.Nyceguy]

This is great man, thanks for the video!

[@Andrew_Haase]

…it’s simple to me - Joey wrote ALL THE DRUM ARRANGEMENTS that put Slip on the map…the blueprint was just handed down from there.

[@Elenalugo7273]

JJ is Eternal!!! the OG!!! Love him F.O.R.E.V.E.R. RIP little Angel❤

[@marramamberta321]

In the beginning I thought: "Why? Why do you have to compare them? Yes, you say you're not comparing them, but by presenting them playing the same song, the comparison of skills between them is unavoidable." But I am glad that you explained that you wanted to show how each one contributed to the band, which I think it's the best way to look at them/it. Let's celebrate and enjoy each one of them in their own moment of splendor.

[@chrisggoodwin777]

Pissed off that there's so much corn, or pissed off because there's so much Korn? 😂😂😂

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Hahahha!

[@jade_bee.2579]

Joey is the true original, he wrote the songs, he has crazy speed, lots of power, and very dynamic, unique and creative ideas he implements into his drumming. His power and technique is unmatched by jay, and his internal metronome is incredible. Jay is a very good drummer, and deserved to be in slipknot, he’s crazy talented but all he does is focus on speed, brought up the tempo of songs live, made the band sound a little more rushed and sloppy, and it messed with Corey’s vocals,he plays too fast and not clean enough to back it up, while still having decent power. Minus points for tweaking songs on live sets to make them easier. Eloy is the only person fit to be in slipknot as of right now, other than say like el estepario, he could fit right in. But Eloy is a fucking BEAST!. he plays everything live at album tempo, sometimes just a little faster, and plays super fast just like Joey and jay, but unlike jay, he can keep speed way up high, control it perfectly, and hit WAAAAAYYY HARDER. He reaches ABOVE HIS HEAD FOR MOST OF HIS SNARE AND CYMBAL HITS. The dude’s crazy, he’s everything Joey was for the band, with the addition of his own slightly ethnic groove. He’s already honoring joeys parts and making them even more difficult live, and he has such good groove and control as a drummer. Eloy is the best guy for the job.

[@jarrettfullerton2580]

So glad you said that bit about comparison... Everyone seems to want to judge these days... Ie "Jay sucks because of his timing" etc etc. Lets just realize that all of these guys are great drummers.

[@jsullivan2112]

Love it Stephen! This is a celebration of drummers.

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Yes!

[@tekservices8699]

The main difference is joey and Jay were small guys and the played like it. Eloy hits those drums like they slapped his mother

[@jonathanlee7253]

They may have been the drummers but JJ was Slipknot

[@csj9619]

Many thanks to all 3! The first time I heard Slipknot, I thought there was 2 drummers.

[@XeRo333]

Eloy plays and respects what Joey wrote, plain and simple. Jay was good and is a good drummer but he isnt Joey and kinda played the songs more his own way than how they were originally played.

[@EmmureMARIO64]

I read Jay used drum triggers according to his drum tech. Not to mention Jay had slowly become sloppy during some EU shows.

[@Bryanpeacock33]

​@@EmmureMARIO64what's wrong with triggers? All bands mix their drums . The Jay hate is getting petty

[@EmmureMARIO64]

@@Bryanpeacock33 there’s no Jay hate, I’m just saying during last year at some festivals, he had played a bit sloppy and fast.

[@Bryanpeacock33]

@@EmmureMARIO64 I agree with his tempo was off but my question was "what's wrong with triggers?" You were throwing shade by saying he's uses triggers

[@EmmureMARIO64]

@@Bryanpeacock33 oh because his former drum tech called him out for using triggers as he was struggling to keep up.

[@ericanderson4151]

The way Eloy fills the song and doesn't leave the details and energy out is superhuman, this guy definitely wasn't born naked like us, the doctor grabbed him by the foot and said "Look, it's a metronome". A forma como Eloy preenche a musica e não deixa os detalhes e a energia de fora é sobrehumano, esse cara definitivamente não nasceu pelado como nós, o médico o agarrou pelo pé e disse "Olha é um metrônomo".

[@Jdrummer77]

Joey helped the band get to where they are and was super technical. Jay W is an amazing drummer and it’s in his blood his dad is highly revered. Of course Eloy just has it with his rhythm, technique and everything else. Every metal/hard rock drummer Wants be a monster and that what Eloy is. I do feel Eloy’s style was best suited for Sepultura but yea he takes the cake. He’s like Mike Tyson in his prime.

[@aalegge]

Joey is classic. He's raw af, powerful and just nasty in the best way possible. He was born to play drums for Slipknot. He has a rawness about him. He did write all those original parts after all. He was key in forging the Slipknot sound. Jay is a super solid drummer and can probably fill most anybody's shoes and kill it. He's super precise and comfortable playing even really extreme parts. And I respect tf out of that. Eloy is a really well rounded drummer that has a combination of the relentless power that Joey had, and the precision that Jay had.

[@VulgrDisplay]

Jay had zero precision. That's why he's gone. He was sloppy and all over the place.

[@lucianocesario2298]

PRECISÃO DO JAY? 😅

[@lightvideovideo]

tell me you know nothing about your ''idols'' without telling me

[@NWOWCW4Life1]

@@VulgrDisplayAt one point yes but he stepped it up and got it together and hell, what’s wrong with a little sloppiness. Even Joey sped it up and got a little hasty in his own right early on. Either way, all 3 drummers killed it.

[@drumbeard]

@@NWOWCW4Life1 'fraid not. He got a bit better around 2019, but he got sloppy again around 2022. Reportedly his lack of ability to keep tempo and sloppy double bass were reasons for his departure. And it's plain to see in this video here, too. Stephen is jumping through multiple hoops so he can compliment Jay.

[@tinam40]

Slipknot is a great group that my daughter just introduced me to a few years ago. I’ve gone to 3 concerts already and honestly, they are ALL awesome musicians!!! 🎸 🥁 🎤

[@m4nu507]

There was just that raw thrashy sound during the joey days, cant believe the cymbals and snare tuning could make such a huge of a difference. I think eloy’s kit is closer to the sound from the old slipknot days, gives me that raw vibe.

[@EversonBernardes]

Eloy's snare has this immense, full crack, it's super satisfying.

[@EarlPigpen]

Great work and thanks for the video! Love the comparison with positivity and individual skills. Nostalgia with the pre-go pro Joey footage. You said it yourself during his part though " the OG right there"

[@StephenTaylorDrums]

Oh, man, he was slaying. It has been a while since I've sat and watched Joey. Totally changed the game for the better

[@girlanteixeira9268]

Não vejo graça no estilo de Joey,já Jay é um estilo mais descolado tipo punk,mas o melhor mesmo é Eloy técnico,preciso,veloz e poderoso e o único que respeita o tempo, é o baterista perfeito pra qualquer banda

[@Videomaker11sp]

Joey: Leonardo DaVinci (Genius) Jay: Picasso Eloy: Caravaggio and Michelangelo at same time

[@Texmade3]

Lucather! Great video Colt! Yeah, the undersigned delivered again...

[@ChrisAdams180]

Eloy is killing it! I think he adds so much to the sound, like Joey did.

[@hendo338]

Definitely a better fit than Jay.

[@danyodice1048]

All 3 are amazing but good points you make for all 3. Great video...🤘🤘🤘

[@locke825]

Eloy tem todas as habilidades em seu nível máximo

[@LuxNailLife]

Joey still holds the top spot. Jay and Eloy are phenomenal drummers, but Joey is my favorite of all time. His energy and talent are unmatched. He will forever be missed. R.I.P Joey 🖤

[@MS-gj7ni]

cool vid my favorite was jay not for any reason there are all awesome just followed jays career more with bands he played for and love the connection to him playing with Bruce Springsteen

[@ShaneT5S]

Finally someone who knows the definition of a comparison, and not a ranking. I just want to hear the different takes on the piece. I do miss Joey though, as I'm sure we all do. I'm glad I got to see him live, I'm glad I got to see Jay live, and I'm excited for when I get to see Eloy live, and I am so excited to see some pro shot live footage instead of phone cameras

[@OneTapKap]

Id say just for fun is to put them all back to back at the end so we have a real time comparison or segment each part of the song

[@jro341]

Thankful to have seen Joey and Jay. Eloy is a great addition.

[@al-bashrisajili23]

I'm not against Jay Weinberg but his beat wasn't that close to Joey but when I heard Eloy play the drums, the similarity was there because of the power on how he hit the drums especially with those double bass kicks. Hope that Caleb kid can grow fast so he could play drums for Slipknot as well because that kid had some mad skills.

[@dudewhat3621]

They’re all different for sure. Joey was a metal head fast blast energetic dude! Jay brought some sick jazzy grooves that fit very well with new age slipknot and Eloy is a technical powerhouse! But man, there will never be another Joey

[@pjs777s.8]

Joey is the best in my opinion! He blazed the original trail for everyone else . His personality really shines through the most in such a beautiful way. That being said they’re all beasts in their own right.

[@TheJokesterSCR]

Jay had a lot of energy, but in a live setting, his tempo was all over the map. Slipknot told Eloy (according to Eloy from an interview) that one of the most important things was to make sure that he would play their songs at the same tempo as the album. This leads me to believe that Slipknot was getting really tired of Jay rushing so much live. And, his performance of some of their harder songs such as Disasterpiece was really... sloppy. I grew to like Jay, but Eloy is so much better in every way. He plays cleaner, harder, and has even more energy but plays with crazy precision. People were claiming that Eloy was using a metronome live, which says a lot about his abilities.

[@stuart207]

Joey was special. Everyone else is just trying to beat the best and I respect that a lot 💯 I didn't know he is a year younger than me. I have big brother vibes, he was the best of us.

[@OriginalThisAndThat]

I've been always thinking that being on the stage is not a problem, but when you afraid of making mistake, your sweat..

[@xevious3209]

Nice to see Buckets the drummer make an appearance 16:45

[@BlackLabel2021]

I think there's a reason they decided to go back to the Subliminal Vol 3 masks after Eloy joined. Even Joey had an arc in his style from the self titled, to Iowa, to Vol 3, and I think the band feels as if Eloy is matching Joey's energy he brought for vol 3. I'm probably biased, because I completely agree with that sentiment.

[@grim..sentinel9500]

Eloy (best technical ability of the 3) playing joeys parts (best creative genius of the 3 by far) is a massive treat for me as a fan. Best of both worlds.

[@Thebigdogg616]

There’s a clear difference between Jay and Eloy. I loved Jay and the drum parts he wrote for the last three albums. Eloy is on a completely different level in terms of performing these songs and his timing is impeccable and every accent and ghost note is impossibly perfect as if he’s been playing this song for years. I struggle to see how impactful the drums to this song would be anything without Joey though. He was true genius and his performance looked and sounded flawless. The Disaster Pieces live album showcased how much of a phenomenonap drummer and performer he was. Eloy is definately worthy of filling those boots.

[@Tt-nt1iu]

Keep in mind Joey wrote that drum part. The other two are just covering it. Great drummer are out there. They can cover something and do amazing things. Being amazing in the creative part with a band is a whole other ball game than covering a tune or showing off by yourself.

[@kevinfreitas3902]

Huge Igor fan. .saw C..C. about a year ago .Eloy is the future and he deserves this. I cannot wait to hear what he. Helps the band create..

[@vladtheimpaler7878]

Joey was my favorite drummer growing up and I emulated so much of my playing from him. He’s still my favorite drummer of all time. I was never a fan of Jay’s, but I respect Eloy.

[@jangonzalez8842]

Joey is the only one who’s not over-doing the cymbals’ volume which offers better sound dynamics and doesn’t drown the rest of the drums or band

[@myprivateyoutube1440]

That's literally all in the mix.....

[@jacobeberhart7739]

Thats awesome you played there. Im from joshua tree California. About 10 minutes from pioneer town.

[@abidababida7096]

To me Joey was irreplaceable. He was really special. Sure there are drummers who can handle his drumming but he brought an energy to that band that i dont think anyone will ever really match.