Comparing Twin-Seat Fighters | Star Citizen 3.14 4K Gameplay

[@cyvan1750]

It's kinda disappointing to watch a video about twin seat fighters yet barely see any footage showing what its like being the gunner in the second seat. We've all seen front seat footage before and its easy to get that experience, even solo. 2nd seat combat footage , however, is impossible to get solo so it's really a missed opportunity for us to see what its like for our copilots. Also, in the case of the Hornet, I've heard that the turret has a more limited field of motion which would effectively limit it to shooting the same target the pilot is shooting at , and since it can be slaved to the pilot anyways there's not much point to the 2nd seat in practice. Yes there's MOM but missles aren't that strong in 3.14

[@Farrister]

That is a really helpful comment, thank you. I hadn't really considered that, but agree completely, which is where honest and constructive feedback is the MOST helpful. Thank you :)

[@picatdim]

For those of us who usually fly solo, the Super Hornet's ability to be flown and fully utilized by one pilot is a big factor in deciding which of these three ships to get (I don't own any of them yet but plan to buy all three with aUEC to compare and contrast them).

[@JayMatth]

I actually dislike the SuperHornet because of the lower capacity for the weapons. That leads to me enjoying the Hurricane solo more then the SuperHornet solo. (I prefer Hurricane with two S4 fixed weapons for the pilot)

[@picatdim]

@@JayMatth Thanks for pointing that out. I've briefly test-flown all 3 ships but haven't fought in them so I will keep that in mind for when I eventually buy the ships with aUEC.

[@JayMatth]

@@picatdim I could spawn you the Hurricane and SuperHornet anytime if you want to try them a bit more. Just ping me ingame: FiFl (small L at the end)

[@picatdim]

@@JayMatth Wow, that's a nice offer. I'll send you an in-game friend request (I'm Falcon of Malta on SC)

[@zacharypump5910]

@@JayMatth in theory the hornet should be able to dish out much more DPS than a single pilot hurricane

[@brandonporter6223]

Dude I just wanna take the time to say that your channel's quality is really impressive. Your effort really shines through in all your videos. Just looking back at your older stuff its clear that you've put a lot of time into delivering good content by constantly improving in all areas that you can. I've seen most ships and reviews of them done over the years but I still watch your videos just to hear and see the ships being discussed in in a very appealing manner. For what its worth I think you're doing a good job!

[@Farrister]

Thank you, that's really kind of you to say and makes me feel like the time I spend trying to learn new things or improve is well worth it :)

[@tammopordzik7925]

Very helpful and informative, more of these Videos pls! Was looking to get me a two-seater for me and my buddy, this video came just at the right time :)

[@Farrister]

Ah good, glad you enjoyed!

[@snaggletoof1927]

Amazing footage. Excellent video as always, Farrister!

[@Farrister]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@viktorgavorn4635]

I LOVE the Gladiator. Always have since the day I first saw it as just another SC jpeg. The big capacitors have really made ships with only 2 hardpoints have more of an edge this patch and I really appreciate that.

[@manonmars82]

Gladiator is by far the sexiest ship, sadly underpowered as fuck atm still ..

[@Farrister]

It's not terrible though, I'm always pleasantly surprised when I fly it

[@brandonporter6223]

@@manonmars82 Just wait for missile rework, physicalized armor, NPC crew, and multiple star systems & fuel rework (making range a more important factor), and more of the bigger ships being released (making those torps a more attractive option for its ability to punch above a fighters weight class), this ship will be the go-to for general operations in my opinion. Other ships will be utilized for more specific scenarios. The Arrow and Gladius are great fighters, but what if you need to bomb a ground target, or a corsair joins the fight? Its versatility is why the gladiator is the standard fighter IMO. Seriously overlooked because the current state of the underlying mechanics that most benefit this ship, and the current state of the game which doesn't make use of its versatility yet. And damn is it sexy too.

[@manonmars82]

@@brandonporter6223 true

[@bernard5748]

I own and love both the Gladiator and the Hurricane - However, the Gladiator is a tad bit distracting to fly when your gunner is firing, as the gunner turret is right above the pilots cockpit

[@bernard5748]

and YES more of these comparison videos!

[@Farrister]

Yes, totally agree about the distraction lol, I remember screaming during XT "I can hardly see!"

[@neonweaver8624]

The hurricane turret actually has twice the capacitor power of what is intended. CiG said that it will be lowered in a future patch, as having twice the normal weapons (4 instead of 2), the capacitor potency should be divided between all of them. Now is acting as if it only had two weapons in the turret.

[@Farrister]

Doesn't surprise me, or the HP of the ship!

[@Tazifad]

Love this in-category comparison videos! It shows where CIG is heading. Great job! I still have the original Hurricane pledge in my buy back list...maybe it's time!

[@Farrister]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed!

[@Tarnfalk]

Got to say that the Gladiator is incredibly tough. It's able to survive things most other fighters, short of a Vanguard, would not. Throw in the additional range and I really like being able to kill off most targets before I get into a dogfight and when I do I don't super have to worry about my shields going down since the hull will survive it.

[@Farrister]

It's surprisingly good!

[@brandonporter6223]

I feel like the gladiator is one of those ships that will become more popular once all the features of the game are in place, as far as ships are concerned at least.

[@crunchied8]

I would like to see 3 Super Hornet, Scorpius and the hurricane compared

[@Farrister]

Feels like I made this video recently, and yet it was still long before Scorpius was a thing xD

[@LunarLizard]

325A vs Buccaneer, what gets me about these two is one offers more while being one of the cheapest fighters in the game while the other is more expensive and only offers a extra pair of size 1 weapons.

[@Farrister]

An intriguing suggestion!

[@vonrosphe3098]

The Buccaneer is also faster and a little bit smaller. And the 325 Wings are made form cartboard. And with the wing you loose one gun. 325A ist the much better allrounder. With cargo, bed, toilet, internal space. Bucc is the better fighter.

[@JookySeaCpt]

Just watched a Camural video today about torpedo firing speeds in 3.14. The Gladiator can fire all of its torpedoes in about one second. None of the other torpedo bombers can do that.

[@Farrister]

I got a lot of love for the Gladiator of late

[@jalakor]

I heard there was some buff to turrets this update, but it didn’t seem to change the Super Hornet. Somethin about the capacitors for most turrets being separate from the main ship, except the F7-CM?

[@Farrister]

Yeah, I think the Super Hornet didn't really benefit, or at least, not yet :)

[@jalakor]

@@Farrister always thought the Hornet was cool, it seems like such a solid and dependable ship, plus it’s homage to Wing Commander (a series of games I watched my dad play for me when I was a kid cuz he wanted me to take an interest in somethin HE grew up with), which is just plain cool. The Super Hornet just seemed like it would be a… well a super version of that haha, but it seems out-done by those in it’s class due to the buff to turrets that did NOT include it.

[@QuarthDoesThings]

Only gripe with the Gladiator is how BLINDING the muzzle flash is from the gunner turrets.

[@Farrister]

Yes! That's so true!

[@AIPilot-Boda]

Carrack vs MPUV and C2 vs MPUV seem like fitting showdowns right now 😈

[@AIPilot-Boda]

May as well throw in an MSR vs MPUV as well!

[@Farrister]

Haha MPUV vs world

[@AIPilot-Boda]

Not that I like it… I want to see it get beat up on 😈

[@Farrister]

@@AIPilot-Boda awww lol

[@Bland-79]

@@AIPilot-Boda I do also. The fact people voted for that ridiculous little ship over the Carrack is insulting. Reminds me of when someone had a public vote to name a warship and the public chose floaty mc floaty or somthing like that. It was dumb anyway.

[@zeropositivo1990]

I know you said no interior space, but with the super hornet (which is able to go solo), I feel like you could have easily slotted in the Tana as well, since similarly to the SH, the copilot can control the turrets (and missiles, which it has many)

[@Farrister]

Could have done! I've been flying the Tana a fair bit of late

[@PSC4.1]

The Galdiator seems like a souped up and sized down TU95 or TU160 since they can carry missiles or bombs or both while the 95 has guns while the 160 doesn't.

[@Farrister]

Ah I was gonna say it's like the mixed bombers of old, like the TBF Avenger or similar

[@novalis791]

Good quick review of the three ships; I side with the Hurricane - packs small for landing on a carrier (like today's 890J) and is likely why I'll still choose it over the Scorpius. With the new patch inbound - we've had a blast running a Hurricane to get the 'Blood for Blood' (and 'High Stakes') and similar 'personal' missions where you have to eliminate several UEE Navy staff - missions that come up when you have a crimestat 5. I wouldn't choose any other current '2 man' ship for these missions.

[@Farrister]

It really is a strong choice for 2 man right now

[@CUBEoneVX]

im kinda new to SC and my second (first was avenger titan) ship bought with in game money was this. The turret shreds everything and for a low cost ship its amazing, but only if you have a gunner.

[@Farrister]

Good choice!

[@-NateTheGreat]

Once you get in the gunner seat of the Hurricane you will be instantly hooked. Thing is a killing machine.

[@bastiandoen2583]

a friend picked me up for XT in a 'cane. Super fun :)

[@Farrister]

XT was wild in the Hurricane!

[@-NateTheGreat]

@@bastiandoen2583 I think i scored about 60-80 kills in Xenothreat as a gunner

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

I think the Super Hornet would be my top pick for this list, but they all look good to me.

[@Farrister]

aUEC - buy all the ships xD

[@whoisj]

yay more Star Citizen from Farrister! 😁

[@Farrister]

Tuesdays and Fridays :)

[@cameronrichard3809]

I'm still fairly new to SC and was looking to get a fighter this video was awesome and very helpful do to the direct comparisons. I originally was set on getting a bomber 💣(torpedoe) 🚀 ship like the gladiator but I'm convinced maybe I should look at the hurricane 🌀 again

[@Farrister]

See if you can find an owner so you can try before you buy!

[@Seeras]

Good video, now we just need another one for single seaters. 👍

[@Farrister]

That could make for a long video xD

[@Seeras]

@@Farrister and I would watch the whole thing. =) If you need ships or wingmans I/we would gladly support you.

[@sneakycactus8815]

the best 2 man fighter is the caterpillar. pilot has decent firepower plus one man in the front turret with 2 size 4 repeaters. enough firepower to get the party started. and enough shields to keep it going for a while. had 2 cutlasses and a bucc throwing missiles and plastering me with laser fire, my shields didnt even look like they went down. its genuinely insane how strong the cat is. im not complaining though! cargo ships shouldnt be easy to take down considering the possible rewards

[@bastiandoen2583]

I call it the CaterKILLER for a reason. We did some Bounties just for fun with three guys in it. Pure fun, but the pilot really needs to remember the turning speed of the ship :D

[@sneakycactus8815]

@@bastiandoen2583 true. but its not too hard to keep at least one turret on target. rolling with turns helps as well especially against fast ships that tend to run circles around you

[@Farrister]

I gotta try this now lol

[@sneakycactus8815]

@@Farrister seriously do give it a go! The cat is a sexy beast that can do many many things!

[@bastiandoen2583]

@@sneakycactus8815 nah, it was more about the asteroids he needed to evade... he mostly did, but it was a wild ride with a few very close calls :D

[@andyandreson3989]

2 players, it’s all about the Hurricane in 3.14. I fly the SH on a regular basis solo.this patch is definitely the Hurricanes day to rule the verse.

[@Farrister]

And Hammerhead :D

[@eavdmeer]

There is something off with the Hurricane in this patch as it the hardest to kill of the VHRT targets,and by a good margin. The Hornet, in comparison, seems to be made of paper

[@JookySeaCpt]

I have also noticed this. Hurricane VHRTs can take a huge amount of damage. Meanwhile, Vanguards go pop!

[@tommygunraw_6566]

@@JookySeaCpt yep can confirm. with the deadbolt-v a valkyrie and vanguard take around 5-6 shots. the hurricane easily over 10

[@andyandreson3989]

PVE the Hurricane is insane compared to all others. The Valkyrie should have the TTK of the Hurricane. Vanguards are so slow and easy it’s embarrassing.

[@Farrister]

Yeah Hurricane has so much HP in this patch

[@eavdmeer]

It wouldn't be so bad if the game would not hand out three Hurricanes as targets for a VHRT group all the time

[@matsgandersson3624]

Is it possible to blade turrets of gladiator and hurricane and fly solo?

[@Farrister]

At the moment, no, they need 2 people to operate at full capacity. But a solo pilot can still jump in and fire the pilot controlled weapons

[@zacharypump5910]

Btw you mentioned you generally advise folks swap the 2xs1 for a 1xs4 on the hornet (when flying solo), this is bad advice in any circumstances. The 2xs1 by far exceeds the DPS of the single s4.

[@Farrister]

I do generally suggest that - the DPS can be higher. I usually switch it for the Revenant ballistic gatling, although not so much in 3.14 :(

[@darthhatespeech5329]

I also prefer the Hurricane. For a little extra punch, I recommend to use size 4 laser canons like M6A for the pilot.

[@Farrister]

Ooh I'll have to give that a try

[@MrZaharii77]

I usually fly solo a SuperHornet as a main ship. Very versatile ship (waiting for armor ship). It can do lot of VHRT bounty easily but struggle a bit against good light fighter and VHRT with 2 Hurricanes... Speaking of Hurricane, I own one just because it's the most beautiful ship IMO with a good cockpit (and the animation of ship entrance !). Meh/Good to fly solo, a beast when flying with a gunner. I would love to see a monoseat interceptor or medium fighter Hurricane a little bit more nimble (or fast if interceptor) and change the manned turret for a remote turret 2*S2 or 1*S4.

[@Farrister]

Interesting ideas!

[@SITHINDarthImperious]

isnt the gladiator classified as a bomber?

[@-NateTheGreat]

Fighter/bomber

[@Farrister]

That's what I said :)

[@whisky3412]

Hurricane is stupidly OP right now.

[@Farrister]

Yup

[@chrisegg7936]

very minor drawback to the gladiator is the visibility you lose when the turret is firing, i felt like i needed sunglasses lol

[@Farrister]

Haha I said the same thing when he was firing xD

[@warbossgloppygit1545]

Funny how he says the gladiator is the leist agile yet it is more agile then the hurricane and is the most tanky but great vid

[@Farrister]

Things change from patch to patch :)

[@friendlyspacedragon7250]

In the current patch the Hurricane is the obvious choice if you have two people. That turret is just so powerful. Super hornet is a great single seat ship but if you have two it'd be better to bring another SH. Sure, being able to defend your ship with a turret is good but having a wingman with even more guns is better. The Gladiator... I'm not convinced of the size 5 torpedo performance. Anything they can tackle can be brought down with regular guns fast enough and if you have another person with the same firepower why not put him in another gladiator and watch each other's back so you get even more torpedoes.

[@Farrister]

Nice thoughts :)

[@TheIceJester]

Hurricane is by far the best two seat in the game right now.

[@Farrister]

By far xD

[@Marcin_S_Przybylek]

Please, tell, what you think of Vanguards :)

[@Farrister]

I reviewed the Vanguard last year, although probably need to get that updated...

[@I86282]

It is sad to see how the Gladiator has fallen. It used to be such a beast. Now comparatively it just brings a tear to my eye. They nerfed it a long time ago and just left it that way. It used to have 2 size 2. And 2 size 3. Fixed. Or 2 size 1 and 2 size 2 Gimbled. Just for the pilot. And the turret was 2 size 4's which was also slave-able to the pilot.! Along with a compliment of 6 size 2 Missiles and 2 size 4 Torpedoes. And it was a bit more maneuverable then the Aurora is now. But it was actually even slower. In comparison to other ships then it is now. In comparison that flight model. But as you can see it was a beast worthy of its name. GLADIATOR !!!!. It wasn't very fast. For a ship that was considered to be a Fighter NOT a Bomber! But if you got close to it. It would chew you up and spit you out. And then they NERFED the F****** S*** out of it. Taking away the 2 size 2 Hardpoints entirely. Leaving only the 2 size 3 Fixed or 2 size 2's Gimbled. And reducing the Turret down to 2 size 3. And Disabling the slaveability of the Turret to the Pilot. And reducing the missile count. But increasing the size to 4 size 3 Missiles. And increasing the torpedoes up to 4 size 5's. And you might think well that's pretty good. But no. Because they also reduced its maneuverability to less than that of a Cutlass. It's barely more maneuverable than a Connie. Which is absurd for a ship of its size. And that's because it's actually a fighter. Which they turned into a Bomber.! So now if you get in that ship with only one person. You really only have 2 size 2 to defend yourself with. If you can't get off any missile or torpedo shots. And because of the countermeasure performance. It's very likely you will not be successful with any missile or torpedo attacks against ships of a comparable size. Making it a virtual sitting Duck. With no maneuverability. No speed. No offense. And no defense. Against ships of the same size. Which are the majority of All Ships in the game. And for much larger ships. It's compliment of missiles and torpedoes while increased. Are still not enough to be taken seriously. As compared to all other bombers in the game. So it's literally segregated from being either a fighter or any good as a bomber. Literally locked out of either functionality. They're by taking a beautiful and awesome looking ship. With some teeth. And making it useless. 😞 The Gladiator is a fighter. NOT a bomber. And by making it so. They have successfully nerfed the f****** s*** out of it. Making it one of the least useful and therefore least used ships in the entire game.! It is truly a shame and a tragedy what they did to the Gladiator! 👎👎

[@Farrister]

I think with missile operator mode it could be MUCH more useful, just need the ability to assign weapons to all pilot or all copilot gunner, then 1 does the missiles, and 1 fires the weapons

[@I86282]

@@Farrister Yeah that would work. Provided the missile and torpedo lock on range was within the distance of using the guns.! Which would at least make it balanced enough to use if you had both a hardpoint operator and missile operator at pretty much any distance. To offset the fact that it's a ship of its size and therefore Shield Strength. As well as its limited maneuverability and minimal speed. So that there would be at least some way you could use it with 1 person. And properly use it with 2. But in any case it's original configuration was best.! But if they were going to try to rebalance it. Even if they don't improve the speed and maneuverability. They should at least return the 2 size 2. Along with the pilot use of the Turret. If no one is in it. But if you look at all the aerodynamic surfaces of the ship. It should absolutely 100% be maneuverable. And for that matter stealthy. It was clearly always meant to be and was designed as a fighter. But with bombing capability. So when they decided to Nerf it. They just made it a bomber only. But I seriously doubt they would give it a rebalance. As it was completely intentional to render that ship useless in the first place. And I do not believe they have any intention to undo that.! The Gladiator fate is sealed by the devs own personal bias.! And will remain that way. But it is nice to think about a day where Justice is served for the that fantastic ship that was the Gladiator.! But it will live on in my memories. I appreciate the reply. And you have some great videos.! This one included. 👍

[@dieselpub2]

The Tana is obviously the best one. You're welcome.

[@Farrister]

Haha coming soon :P

[@rggamer6512]

Hello can you please do it for 3.17

[@Farrister]

Will see when I can get around to it - lost all my ships in the Great Wipe of '22 xD

[@rggamer6512]

@@Farrister ask people around the star citizen community is the best they might help you out! Just thx them later

[@rggamer6512]

@@Farrister and finally an KZbinr saw my comment LoL

[@Farrister]

@@rggamer6512 haha I try to read them all!

[@singulant]

My opinions ~ For 2 pilots, hurricane all the way. Best ship in the verse at the moment. For a single, Super Hornet. Because the capacitors aren't working properly there's little reason to fly with someone. And glad?... oh the glad... one day...

[@Farrister]

Haha xD

[@gundampeacekeeper]

I feel like the hurricane should be a little less maneuverable considering so powerful and cheap

[@Farrister]

If I was balancing, I'd probably suggest reducing HP and maybe a soft nerf to the capacitor. But I don't mind it being powerful, fun to fly!

[@Bugsygb1]

When servers reset i do bounties in my cutty and get a Hurricane then Prospector and the only way is up :) HURRICANE FTW!

[@Farrister]

I love the Prospector, will be my first in-game ship purchase every time xD

[@twillyfrost]

Wait...if Dely was your Goose did he die in the end?!? NOOOO

[@Farrister]

Have you seen him recently? Meg Ryan came in looking for him

[@manlyastronaut6984]

sad sobbing for the banu defender

[@Farrister]

He got an inside, will have to do some more with Defender, Vanguard and the likes!

[@invader218]

they should have Valentine skins for all 3.

[@Farrister]

Like the Heartseeker one?

[@snooze1974]

Hurricane is supreme in 3.14

[@Farrister]

It sure is

[@nickmarksmusic]

ARGO CARGO vs. EVERYTHING ELSE

[@Farrister]

lol

[@David-tl6lv]

The turret changes made the 'cane ungodly overpowered. For every fighter and gunship except the Hurricane, turrets are a secondary weapon to keep more nimble fighters off your back - with the 'cane they're your main source of damage. Pilot weapons got nerfed to hell, so much so that the 'canes turret now out damages the pilot weapons on a Constellation... except it's on a nimble, turreted platform that requires no brainpower or maneuvering to keep on target.

[@Farrister]

To be fair the Hurricane was always more about the gunner than the pilot, the challenge is just how strong it is compared to everything else, and how much HP the ship has.

[@David-tl6lv]

@@Farrister I feel like we're saying the same thing, just in different tones. Either way you cut it, the Hurricane is a uniquely small turret focused ship that got put in an extremely good place by an update that made turrets comparatively stronger.

[@Farrister]

@@David-tl6lv yup, and probably too strong this patch. I like that the turret is more powerful than the pilot, but the amount might be off, and especially the hitpoints!

[@David-tl6lv]

@@Farrister Makes me wonder what state the Redeemer is gonna be in on release - especially if CIG balances things as simply pilot vs turret instead of primary vs support weapons.

[@nilsgerdes6747]

still in the intro, I'm going to wager: Hurricane is top.

[@nilsgerdes6747]

got it! Although Hurricane is nearly worthless for solo (to me). Hornet is great middle ground, because the turret becomes gombal weapon for solo pilot. Gladiator is beast against big ships and thus a specialty craft. for 2 players: hurricane! it's the funnest!

[@Farrister]

Haha got it in one!

[@Djowan]

The Best is the vanguard 🙂

[@Farrister]

xD

[@MikelCatGamer]

Ohhh

[@Farrister]

Ohhhh yessss

[@maddogs1989]

I would like to say that the Gladiator is not a Fighter at all. A third twin seat fighter would have been a Vanguard.

[@Farrister]

That's fair enough! I covered off my rationale for including it, and feel like it still has a place in the lineup :)

[@maddogs1989]

@@Farrister ok so I'd like to state my opinion has changed on this. The Gladiator is very much a fighter/bomber. That being said at least according to Erkul now the Gladiator has better pitch and yaw than the Hurricane. As well as far more HP.

[@velocitymg]

Shame the gladiator turret can’t be slaved to the pilot as well

[@Farrister]

I quite like that about it, makes it a true multi-crew ship!

[@velocitymg]

True, nothing against that,

[@Joshee365]

Show how useless the second seat in the reliant series is lol

[@Farrister]

The MISC Reliant? I would say it's more useful than the second seat in a Freelancer, for example (or the third and fourth seats in the Freelancer, for that matter)

[@Joshee365]

If you haven't tried it out, then got wouldn't know

[@Joshee365]

2 of the gimbaled guns get allocated to the passenger, they have no control over missiles, And they get no targeting reticle to aim the 2 gimbals they control. It's janky as fūçk

[@Djowan]

And the Defender ? 😁