This is among the most ice cold savage winning tactics I've ever seen. Props to GM Stockfish for finding the win!
@Soliprem5 жыл бұрын
Tho the first move (Qd5) isn't hard to consider... then tho I wanna see any human calculating all the lines and finding the courage to play that
@Dante203215 жыл бұрын
PlayerForSerendipity agreed
@hyzercreek4 жыл бұрын
@@Soliprem Qd5 is mate in one if pawn takes. Courage to play mate in one?
@MrIzzyDizzy4 жыл бұрын
it is a gm level + puzzle. if any human could even solve it. This is the full on 3500 level.
@monkkenyon25394 жыл бұрын
Your comment should be pinned
@sumukhanadig39864 жыл бұрын
Eric : Chooses not to look at an old game against the same guy to get insights because its unethical Opponent : Uses engine against him to win
@aristodemosii.19805 жыл бұрын
In the bottom right corner at the end you can actually see that the computer analysis says "0 blunders, 0 mistakes, 0 inaccuracies" about the white game.
@curtisw02345 жыл бұрын
That's actually pretty common in games that aren't complicated
@dany.85035 жыл бұрын
curtisw0234 unless your opponent keeps blundering and you play the possible best if not good moves
@stirling35235 жыл бұрын
curtisw0234 No, it’s not. Barely ever even happens to GMs in long time controls.
@fakerfish18815 жыл бұрын
@@curtisw0234 inaccuracies are anything less than losing a pawn, its impossible to not have any.
@curtisw02345 жыл бұрын
@@fakerfish1881 what is your rating surely not above 2200
@lethanielsimpson6416 жыл бұрын
"Chess is difficult, when you fully involve yourself and still have no idea whats going on." My entire existence lol
@eric-rosen6 жыл бұрын
I think this describes life for most people 😂
@geometricart78516 жыл бұрын
chess is life!
@arogueburrito6 жыл бұрын
I may be mishearing Mr. Rosen, but at around 31 minutes it sounds like he says: "his moves... Are these moves"
@PatrickMorcillo5 жыл бұрын
@@eric-rosen LOL! :-D
@ianclarke54045 жыл бұрын
Quantum chess
@badgerbucks44605 жыл бұрын
His reaction to a super computer is my reaction to ordinary 900 players when they beat me.
@tiger6484 жыл бұрын
lmfao i was listening to it in the background while reading this comment and it should be a meme
@andressstyle63904 жыл бұрын
Dude, how can a 900 rated player actually beat someone ...
@zan78484 жыл бұрын
Andress Style a 900 player beats a 900 player once in every two games
@vit94804 жыл бұрын
Andress Style You were once beaten by lower than 900 players, stay delusional
@andressstyle63904 жыл бұрын
@@vit9480 yeah, but now for me it looks Impossible to lose against a 900 player .
@gluonpa68786 жыл бұрын
To those who says the sac is obivous: yeah, if the sac is accepted, it looks crushing, but you also have to calculate if the sac is refused, which is much harder.
@frooshante5 жыл бұрын
i like that Eric didn't immediately suspect cheating, instead he gave respect and was "in awe" of the good moves. the cheating made for a legitimately good video :) thanks, Eric!
@curtisw02345 жыл бұрын
It's bad form to publicly call someone out for cheating. In some cases if the person makes money from chess you could even face legal action. It's best to wait until lichess determines they are a cheater which happened after the video was recorded of course
@Clifton1004 жыл бұрын
@@curtisw0234 what country do you live in? Dumb if you're usa cuz slander laws r not that strict here
@ConManK04 жыл бұрын
Clifton100 Idk it might be. Defamation law suits might apply.
@veronicaconnolly45424 жыл бұрын
He kept making sly comments that it was an engine
@rarepepe87904 жыл бұрын
@@curtisw0234 Rosen I believe has the right to tell if someone may be using computer assistance. Why do I know this? Because he actually knows what he is talking about 😂
@modolief6 жыл бұрын
31:09 -- The Queen sac occurs here.
@ytmndman6 жыл бұрын
I skipped to 10 seconds before that in the video, paused it, and found the sac easily.
@modolief6 жыл бұрын
ytmndman that’s pretty elite
@THEGLORYRISING6 жыл бұрын
wow, you are told there's a queen sac then you find it. Amazing.
@ytmndman6 жыл бұрын
Well yeah it is easier to find if you know it's there
@stefanjoeres71496 жыл бұрын
ytmndman i read the comments then the position occurred, i paused and found nothing. I have 2100 rating so are you a titled player?
@meanintellectual65933 жыл бұрын
Eric: spend 7 minutes to play a natural pawn move The opponent: *sac his queen (twice) in 6 seconds* The people in chat: it seems legit
@MichaelIhde692 жыл бұрын
this is kinda difficult to watch seeing eric try so hard. of course nobody stands even the slightest chance against stockfish, but it still made my heart hurt a little. he perseveres through what is obviously an intense mental exercise against extremely unfair odds. he’s such a wholesome guy, and he handled this in the best way possible in my opinion. took it as a learning experience and didn’t get angry. gained so much respect for this guy in less than 30 minutes
@nathank-jw7uv2 жыл бұрын
it made me smile when he said at the end how it was an instructive learning experience and how he'll show it to his students, was absolutely baffled when he was able to make light of that game
@sliceoflife5812 Жыл бұрын
Magnus did bit stockfish a few times didnt he? I know Alpha0 took it for a walk
@bonzjoe Жыл бұрын
@@sliceoflife5812 In this time format it might be possible to draw against it if you come into it with preparation but winning is hopeless
@jaideepshekhar4621 Жыл бұрын
@@sliceoflife5812 Huh? Nobody can beat a computer?
@azcac8349 Жыл бұрын
@@jaideepshekhar4621no
@soflynn224 жыл бұрын
Eric Rosen: i'm in awe of whats he's just done Stockfish: Too weak, too slow
@cauler66272 жыл бұрын
Eric: “wooOOOW”
@pjdigrazia40925 жыл бұрын
Wow this was so sad Alexa play chesspacito
@justicemarr87475 жыл бұрын
aHAha
@midas88775 жыл бұрын
Legendary meme
@Wachary15 жыл бұрын
Yes
@puppy81255 жыл бұрын
Hectic Binary Rapid Degeneration *Dead
@AlvaroVera935 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAa
@deepakk19445 жыл бұрын
I like how he still takes something positive out of it, and thanks his opponent for a wonderful move to teach to his students. Now that's the attitude of a passionate teacher.
@joesimon20185 жыл бұрын
I knew something was Stockfishy when he traded that rook for a bishop
@bonniejunk5 жыл бұрын
@JL-CptAtom Rooks are more helpful in getting a checkmate and controlling files later on, so they're valued higher.
@StrengthScholar04 жыл бұрын
@Dominus Providebit He's not playing Magnus he's playing someone whose not even an IM
@dragouspe3n4 жыл бұрын
Something Stockfishy haha best pun ever :D
@noobmasteryoyo51364 жыл бұрын
@@StrengthScholar0 Not to mention the exchange sacrifice doesn't even lead to any huge positional advantage immediately, although in hindsight he loses vital control of the dark squares
@arsene44404 жыл бұрын
Honestly all in all you can say it was a perfect game from white. Even if you argue that the knight and queen sacrifice could be found but the whole game was too good starting from BA3 when he stopped black from castling. Every move was like best move. I think a human could play this good but not in a 20 min game.
@MrinfinityLT6 жыл бұрын
Spectacular game, it's a shame that it's computer assisted and you were on the back end of it but still there is some positive outcome out of this mess, a beautiful position to show.
@TheRealBlueSwan6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Would make for a great chess puzzle.
@eduarditoz39415 жыл бұрын
And supreme got banned
@greysub9245 жыл бұрын
@@eduarditoz3941 Thats the best part
@taunggoy6 жыл бұрын
This is in addition to the many comments about finding out that SupremeMonk's account is flagged as a computer user. If you check his games before this one, he has won 16 in a row and 18 out of 19. Overall, 94 wins in 105 games. Most of his losses are when he started playing in Lichess. Pretty strong evidence of a cheater in my opinion.
@barrybathwater48775 жыл бұрын
classic mad cuz bad
@auralbalm4 жыл бұрын
Yes especially considering he lost to a 1700 with check mate
@iniddor44544 жыл бұрын
Of a pretty stupid cheater, for that matter
@threethrushes4 жыл бұрын
@@auralbalm The 1700 was also using Stockfish.
@cauler66272 жыл бұрын
Guess what a cheater’s favorite food is?…………… PUMPKINS‼️😁
@benjis5405 жыл бұрын
I like how you said in the beginning it would be unerhical to look at the two games you playd before
@someolddude38585 жыл бұрын
If he was really ethical he wouldn't use the computer drawing arrows and the like to essentially "take notes" when he is determining his next move. Try something like that in a real over-the-board tournament and the TD will punish you for cheating. No memory aids or notes are allowed when you are playing. You shouldn't even write your move down until after you have made it on the board.
@benjis5405 жыл бұрын
Laurence Battin I don‘t think that drawing arrows is unethical, because it‘s a legal tool provided by lichess and furthermore it‘s really helpful for me as a viewer to understand Erics‘ thought process.
@josin0075 жыл бұрын
@@someolddude3858 over the board has its own rules. Online chess has different rules.
@xavierazad4 жыл бұрын
@@someolddude3858 He's doing it for the viewers not himself.
@djn69624 жыл бұрын
Some Old Dude you seem rather agitated. Was your lichess username ”Suprememonk” by chance?
@ErkaaJ4 жыл бұрын
Chess is one of the few games where you play against a cheater but still say "wow that was cool move".
@Wilker_uwu3 жыл бұрын
i wonder what computer assistance cheats looks like in other perfect information games other than Chess. it would be funny to make one for something like Trackmania Nations Forever
@Drew-jy7dl3 жыл бұрын
@@Wilker_uwu they already have bots for trackmania, that workout shortcuts automatically
@Wilker_uwu3 жыл бұрын
@@Drew-jy7dl wait, really? for most of what i've known about Trackmania's history, all of the ghosts in the game are pre-recorded, while there's people in the community trying to build machine learning stuff for the game. where can i find these bots?
@jacobshirley34572 жыл бұрын
I don't play Go, but I'd also assume the same there.
@SeanyMac19865 жыл бұрын
So as I played this video I played all the moves with a chess sim. It's clear that the opponent is doing the same. What is great though, is Eric searching for calculations and predictions from the human mind and the amount of stress it is causing him. Well played Eric!
@AntiochSanders5 жыл бұрын
"I see a draw though" drawing against a computer is pretty good
@rykehuss34353 жыл бұрын
Drawing against good engine on decent hardware is not possible for humans, no matter what you do
@maxkho003 жыл бұрын
@@rykehuss3435 The Stockfish on Lichess is not run on decent hardware. Actually, people like Jonathan Shrantz have beaten this version of Stockfish with special prep in the Stafford and Nakhmanson, and Magnus managed to get a drawing endgame against it. Mind you, it's still stronger than any human on Earth, but it's definitely not unbeatable.
@mr.bananaman25336 жыл бұрын
Whenever somebody seems like they are cheating against me then I let the computer analyze. If he played perfectly then I check his other games to see if this was a fluke. If all are perfect, I report him to the lichess CIA (Cheating Investigation Association or smth)
@HazzyHaz4 жыл бұрын
Someone could easily mix in blunders while cheating and go undetected
@johnlycott85384 жыл бұрын
Or play normal in the opening and cheat in middlegame
@janehrahan51164 жыл бұрын
Cheaters aren't smart. If they were they wouldn't cheat on freaking lichess.
@samuelhong42724 жыл бұрын
@@janehrahan5116 what are you talking about?
@sausage4mash4 жыл бұрын
I've had quite a few games 0 mistake 0 blunders ect it does happen and i'm only a 1700 -1800 player ,depends on the game if it's highly complex and you get a 0 0 0 then yeah probably cheating ,but you'd be wrong to assume all 0 games are cheaters
@Guacamully4 жыл бұрын
I really admire players who go out of their way to give the cheater the benefit of the doubt, especially after such a loss. "it's entirely possible a human could find that move." It's especially satisfying when the player gets caught cheating later on. Props :)
@cauler66272 жыл бұрын
When did he get caught ?
@Berek711825 жыл бұрын
For everyone who ask: "How do you know he is cheating?!" 1. think for yourself and L2P to spot it for yourself. 2. Watch the entire game, exspecially the moves from 11:00 and later. -> 2a) White loses a rook for a piece and get powerfull Attack: f6 weakens the kingside. With only a few minutes of thinking several moves ahead with this kind of sacrifife is nearly impossible to spot in a quickgame. 2b) Qc4 is also a very weird move to which sacrificaes again a pawns. d2 2c) even without the mistake Qa5 there are several hidden attacks for white. It's imbossible to spot them in such a shoirt amount of time without cheating. 3. White took his time on moves that are actually part of the combination, while a move that starts or force the combination are done withing seconds....! It's actually the other way around. White tries to fake human behaviour, but he fails.
@stanaklol5 жыл бұрын
Crazy queen sac that seems unfindable but still so logical once shown.
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
Not hard to find for an expert!
@Tobi-pn2xs4 жыл бұрын
@@joannewilson6577 maybe in a very long OTB game it's realistic but with those time controls very hard to spot
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
@@Tobi-pn2xs Have you ever see an IM like John Bartholomew or like IM Altonian play blitz games against a 2000 uscf....it's like seeing a good player play chess against a beginner. The speed and the huge knowledge is very impressive.
@Tobi-pn2xs4 жыл бұрын
@@joannewilson6577 yeah you do have a point, especially after I've seen Nakamura vs Gingergm but for a non title player, it's really unlikely to find
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
@@Tobi-pn2xs and remember when some one is very tired because he has been playing non stop for for hours and he chat at the same time he cannot play has well has if he was rested.
@chrisiver85066 жыл бұрын
You need to get better so you can beat these computers lol
@droceretik6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, get better than Carlsen. Sure, easy peasy.
@Speedymisha6 жыл бұрын
Even Carlsen cannot beat a computer, they can think of billions of combinations
@sesanti6 жыл бұрын
Best chess computers/engines are far far ahead from humans now.
@rykehuss34356 жыл бұрын
Carlsen ELO something like 2900 last time I checked. Stockfish 9 ELO 4000+. Chess engines would make any human look like a toddler.
@DirtyPoul6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's a total noob. He can't even beat bots!
@michaelsanagustin16995 жыл бұрын
Eric is so wholesome he even gave him credit and said dang that’s why he took so long before Ng5yop
@delboy92345 жыл бұрын
SupremeStockfish played well here.
@firmin20055 жыл бұрын
Lichess will return you any ranking points you lost to that cheater.
@kama21065 жыл бұрын
What about points you won to a cheater?
@silverdeathgamer29074 жыл бұрын
@ktbDash A bit late but I presume sometimes they might lose on purpose or play some non-optimal moves to make themselves look less suspicious.
@MrSupernova1114 жыл бұрын
@@kama2106 . Hilarious concept!
@turkiyett09284 жыл бұрын
His rating provisional
@MrSupernova1116 жыл бұрын
I would be livid if someone cheated me so blatantly. Way to stay so calm and turn it into a positive.
@leomeyer38526 жыл бұрын
It’s funny to see that the complete comment section turns into super GM‘s. „It’s not that hard to find. The position screams for Ng5 and Qd5 is the natural continuation move!“ Yeah sure guys. Go back to your boring 1500-1800 Elo games and stop spitting so big words. There is an IM that wasn’t able to find it. 2400 rated. He didn’t see it. So nope you wouldn’t have seen it ether!
@psd9936 жыл бұрын
It's not even the dunning kruger effect. The title says ridiculous queen sac and so everyone's looking for it and they find it. And think they could've done it without the hint either. Also, like half the puzzles on internet involve queen sac followed by forced checkmate type of solutions.
@cyreekcyreek23296 жыл бұрын
Yikes...
@totalhysteria6 жыл бұрын
Okay, I am around 1800 ELO and I didn't spot it, I admit. Despite the hint and solving tactics for years. I though he was going to leave the queen hanging on c4 and do some other shit.. I definately saw Ng5+ (seen the pattern before) so that's not super high level, but the Qd5 move was a blindspot. To zic-zac it to c6 via d5 and then to checkmate on e8. Kind of clever eh?
@michaelbrent60996 жыл бұрын
hey now. I'm 1258 i'll have you know
@tomyao78846 жыл бұрын
ey man, how do you im 1500-1800? I could be 800 for all you know.
@niniyaya73925 жыл бұрын
the queen move is like one of those puzzles which asks you to find the most insane move
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
Not at all for an expert 2000 elo.
@ryanatella51934 жыл бұрын
“Yeah let’s stop talking now.. 1 second later, yeah c3 is a move!”
@ace9423 жыл бұрын
That queen sacrifice was crazy. I don't think I would have ever found that move regardless of how much time given. I saw the point after the move but too bad that it was a computer move. If a human had played it, I would wonder if Tal was reborn.
@owennorth4045 Жыл бұрын
I don't know why but I keep coming back to this video after all these years
@Xpegasu6 жыл бұрын
man, seeing this was so painful. I know the feeling of being destroyed more than i would like to, even if it is against a computer.
@voluntarism3354 жыл бұрын
you just need to get better scrub
@majermike6 жыл бұрын
Surprising not to hear a word on move 9, cxd4, the move from which it all goes downhill. It turns out the pawn is not defendable. Trying to defend it only prevents you from castling, connecting rooks, and developing the bishop. After move 9, cxd4, you don't have a single move to breathe.
@Petertuske5 жыл бұрын
@Elementary Watson Doesn't matter who you're playing against, if your pieces are uncoordinated on the back rank and your greedy queen is soloing like a headless chicken in the enemy camp.
@YouGotTheFlue5 жыл бұрын
@Elementary Watson Peter is right, you are wrong. Suck it up.
@voltronsupremeFood4 жыл бұрын
I played someone he was playing bad at first, dropped a queen and a rook, then after about a two minute pause started playing real fast and beat me. I reported it, a month later got my points back, they caught the guy cheating.
@monkkenyon25394 жыл бұрын
Everyone should give this man a hand for fighting Alpha zero and doing a pretty good job.
@IceyDefeat5 жыл бұрын
What's crazy about this position is once you're looking for a queen sacrifice the entire game, I feel it's a fairly obvious queen sac, but I'd never find that move without knowing in advance ever in my life
@jaideepshekhar4621 Жыл бұрын
That's called confirmation bias. They have no clue, but when a person plays a ridiculous move, they say it's obvious. It's why cheaters are given benefit of doubt.
@העבד5 жыл бұрын
Im just a 1200 player, but why not go king E8 on 30:59 ? Black would have 2 hanging pieces and no way to check again without losing his queen.. what am I missing?
@jorgec.89635 жыл бұрын
Bxc6 + followed by a mating attack
@ostiedestrie21553 жыл бұрын
You'd think a cheater would look at Qd5, and say "Hmmm....that move looks really sus. I shouldn't play that or they'll know I'm cheating." But instead the guy blitzes it out in two seconds.
@randombanana6403 жыл бұрын
if he took 10 seconds its not that suspicious . because its kinda obvious for decent players , but he blitzes it in 2 seconds which is an idiot thing to do
@Leipaa2 жыл бұрын
Well he spent several minutes on Ng5+ so a strong player would have calculated the follow up after Kg8.
@csarmii Жыл бұрын
@@randombanana640 yep, the reason Ng5+ works is that there's Qd5 there too so you would make the Qd5 move instantly
@marine55463 жыл бұрын
"If you're feeling nervous, just don't be nervous" -Some very wise man, somewhere
@SuperSapila5 жыл бұрын
the rook and then knight sacrifice look more suspicious than the queen sac
@Proflaxis6 жыл бұрын
Your voice is so calming. Your videos will definitely be added to my lullaby collection which also houses Jerry Chessnetwork. Btw, due to cheating concerns, if we can’t hear your ideas then some purpose of these videos is rendered moot. What to do?
@kenhaley44 жыл бұрын
"If you feel nervous, just don't be nervous."
@704studio4 жыл бұрын
SupremeMonk, remember the sage words of Grasshopper - "A worker is known by his tools…. a shovel for a man who digs…. an axe for a woodsman..... Stockfish for a patzer" - Caine
@NSAKEY5 жыл бұрын
The individual moves near the end were definitely possible to spot as a human, even for lower-rated players. However, it is the sequence of moves that led to that perfect positioning that are immediately suspicious. When you analyze engine-played games as a whole, you can start to see the patterns and perfect chain of moves that should be impossible for most humans to calculate in such a short amount of time. Those oddball moves that do not make sense until way later in the game are dead giveaways.
@mrcelada5 жыл бұрын
First suspecting thing is the rook exchange... This is a good computer move.
@bct2000a5 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is very un-human to just let a rook go hanging to a bishop like that. Very few humans below GM level would just let that rook go like that when there is no immediate threat. That was a very deep sacrifice.
@turkiyett09284 жыл бұрын
@@bct2000a no only weak computers don't give exchange but if you look his preivous games he is cheating
@waszkreslem93066 жыл бұрын
he is Mikhail Tal himself
@black_squall6 жыл бұрын
Or perhaps Tal Baron? ;)
@waszkreslem93066 жыл бұрын
jqbtube you are actually right
@UndesirableUK6 жыл бұрын
A... Stockfish?
@yanisokamisensei3276 жыл бұрын
+jqbtube Tal would crush you into ashes
@12jswilson5 жыл бұрын
@jqbtube true, but try finding the refutation over the board in any time constraint.
@wasp79693 жыл бұрын
eric: i like the fact that he’s thinking stockfish: yeah lemme get to the depth 30
@TheDortam8886 жыл бұрын
More than the queen sac i liked the coordination of his pieces. After sac the exchange your pieces looks kinda ridiculous your rooks were never active and so does the c8 bishop so you had to find cheapos with your queen (Basic chess rules don't move the same piece too many times). And then when you made the position more unbalanced with b5 (amazing move) he just keeps everything coordinate in this very extraordinary way. Not sure about what computer says but does Ng5 Qd5 are the only advantage moves? i tried to find ideas like you and it seems like you manage to organize your pieces if not for that bizarre sequence, and then you're just up an exchange. I will definitely show this game to my students if you won't mind.
@Wtahc6 жыл бұрын
דור טמבור some info on the lessons you offer please?
@weliveinsideadream85485 жыл бұрын
и
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
A computer see many moves ahead on each move......my 22 years old computer saw both moves in 2 min at level 6 but not at level 5....at level 6 he think 8 to 10 half moves ahead all the time...at level 5 he see mates in 8 half moves ahead...he has 8 level plus an infinite level..... And he feel no pressure and no distraction....;) he is only 1900 ELO at level 7.
@samalmasi15 жыл бұрын
I am telling the truth. I am only 1900 player but I saw both moves Ng5 and Qd5 while I was watching this game for the first time. I am amazed why Eric could not even consider it . Close your eyes and after ten seconds open them up and look at the position. It is clearly calling for Ng5. Even if you don’t see the rest of the game you must at least consider it. That’s the key word.”consider”.
@bigpapa19545 жыл бұрын
it´s strange how obvious it seems to play that AFTER you saw it. it´s so obscure.
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
it's level 1800 elo tactic....and it take 2 or 3 min to find-he didn't because he was under pressure...
@Idk-bw3ib2 жыл бұрын
Eric: “yeah let’s stop talking.” Also Eric 1 second later: “oh, c3 is a move.”
@mattbell56026 жыл бұрын
I think you just had to click stock fish on
@PifflePrattle6 жыл бұрын
You can't help but smile yourself at those shots of Fabiano grinning. Be good if he's smiling like that in November after the match.
@chrisnenshati74006 жыл бұрын
That's why I play speed chess. No cheating
@passableespresso50684 жыл бұрын
@NR72X not really, there are few cheaters
@chessbot73164 жыл бұрын
just google "chess bot"
@andredobbs53904 жыл бұрын
Hey Eric I love your content! I think I got the perfect merch suggestion for you....put the words "Queen d5!!" on the front (But use an actual picture of a queen with the move d5!!) and on the back have the words, "Oh my gosh!! Are you serious?" or "if this works, this guy is a genius!" Or "That's ridiculous!"
@niqwalshensemble91645 жыл бұрын
The risk of not castling....
@davideddleman45305 жыл бұрын
just curious instead of moving your queen to b2 to be safe when knight attacked did you consider going queen takes pawn oon f3 safe move for queen stops knight from checking and then move rook to d file to pressure pawn
@truthhurts49484 жыл бұрын
I saw that, just commented same. I wondered why he didn't take either pawn "hanging". The one I would have taken was that one, and that would have defended how he lost this game. However, since the opponent was cheating, he probably would have found another way to "win".
@solfeinberg4375 жыл бұрын
Not sure how it could've been done, but it's super painful to see the light squared bishop and both rooks on their original squares. You're basically playing with the queen and c6 knight (which has no moves). The moral for me is: concentrate on the development race. That queen sac c4 to d5. She didn't have any un-attacked squares to move to, did she?
@arsenalfanrichi6 жыл бұрын
I find it impressive that you are so upbeat despite losing a game like that.
@gedgar20005 жыл бұрын
He's such a class act. I'm impressed.
@moonmoon-oc2jx5 жыл бұрын
suprememonk? supreme PUNK! gets the dunk on his head with the ban xD
@delboy92343 жыл бұрын
I like the way SupremeMonk pretended to have a long think before playing Ng5.
@paulpena50406 жыл бұрын
"it was confirmed that my opponent was using computer assistance". I could have told you that on Qc3-Qc4, lol. Believe it or not that's the most suspicious move order for me. I actually saw Ng5 Qd5 (though to be fair I was already looking for a spectacular Q sac because of the title of your video). But playing Qc3 - c4 was so unhuman. [I'm around 2300 fide].
@jakeswagerson99415 жыл бұрын
Qd4*
@martinpociecha42874 жыл бұрын
@@jakeswagerson9941 13:16 14:06 Qc3 - Qc4*
@psilow77894 жыл бұрын
What's really saddening is that the real players spend HOURS at a time, cumulatively DAYS calculating moves and it's all futile.
@jasonsmith41145 жыл бұрын
Any decent chess player sees that this whole plan from the exchange sac to this deadly attack played so quickly feels completely inhuman. This is pretty ironic: by claiming that Qd5 was obvious or that black played badly you're actually showing your misunderstanding of chess, not how smart you are.
@rackjussian38985 жыл бұрын
Jason Smith fuck off commie
@jhonniboii58845 жыл бұрын
Rack Jussian no but I also would have played QD5, it was a perfect set up. I would have done that with some serious thought tho, not instantaneous.
@shumymikaball4 жыл бұрын
I actually saw that knight move with the discovered rook attack, but I would never find such an insane queen move!
@Mirrodin825 жыл бұрын
That moment when he gave rook for a bishop was also very puzzling and weird imo
@ContriveAI5 жыл бұрын
Yea. Humans never do exchange sacs!
@majorcatastrophe28294 жыл бұрын
Not weird really. The focus was on attacking the weak king...pieces don't matter when you have checkmate!
@oxey_4 жыл бұрын
@@majorcatastrophe2829 Still, aquiring the guts to sac the exchange like that isn't particulaty human. Perhaps in a classical game players the likes of Carlsen would be able to calculate all of it but mate wasn't at all clear at that point
@koustavchatterjee86454 жыл бұрын
@@oxey_ It was not really about mate, it was about not letting Black castle.
@MrSupernova111 Жыл бұрын
Hey Eric, Levy took credit for losing in this game in a WIRED video. Get after him!
@meathead9195 жыл бұрын
Really nice game though, cheater or not it gave us an amazing game to watch.
@Serfdomftw4 жыл бұрын
To be fair that Queen "sac" was a pretty obvious move as it has 2 mating threats and its not like you are in a bullet game, so he had time to think about it.
@VainBuddhist6 жыл бұрын
Qd5 is a fantastic move, but I don’t think you need a machine to find it, it’s just a mate in 2...Ng5 is the real gem here
@lousyfication6 жыл бұрын
@TakumaSD Qd5 is not necessarily a mate in 2! But that move is the best winning, where most players would concentrate on other lines.
@VainBuddhist6 жыл бұрын
@louyfication I meant it's a mate in 2 if black takes the Queen*
@lousyfication6 жыл бұрын
Alright.
@eric-rosen6 жыл бұрын
I agree that Qd5 is completely findable. 20. Nf3!! is the real gem. In a complex position with alternatives like Nxb5, and Qc1 it was crazy to play Nf3 within 15 seconds.
@VainBuddhist6 жыл бұрын
Yep, Nf3 that quick is pretty fishy. Stockfishy.
@metro64682 жыл бұрын
Thoughts when analyzing with Stockfish: “Wait that’s not what I- Oh it’s also completely winning” Wait it’s even MORE winning.
@jamesw99306 жыл бұрын
I actually saw Ng5 immediately, but I could not complete it and the queen sac . . . yeah, no way. Just an FYI, you are pretty much the only chess I watch online so kudos
@psphacker572 жыл бұрын
22:34 when the stockfish engine casually destroys your wrong calculation
@Toshineko3 жыл бұрын
The engine managed to sacrifice its queen against Eric Rosen! Wow! It's the most disgusting, savage queen sacrifice by an engine I've ever seen! Too bad the cheater got banned after that. lol!
@crazypomp9274 жыл бұрын
Ng5+ I spotted almost immediately after Qb2, and I intuitively could tell it was white's best move, but I definitely couldn't tell that it was winning and didn't see that Qd5 follow-up.
@joannewilson65774 жыл бұрын
Both were easy to see by a 2000 elo player....
@TheOlaMG3 жыл бұрын
Gothamchess brought me here
@annereilley48923 жыл бұрын
This video confirms the importance of castling.
@georgejenkinson89276 жыл бұрын
100% he was using an engine
@ReSV15 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, i also could see the sacrifice. It is like, you suddenly could grasp the whole board But i agree if there are certain anamoly of this guy's games you could check his game history
@SaeedAcronia5 жыл бұрын
It is not a ridiculous sac when it's mate a move later. A ridiculous sac is when it takes effect 10 moves later and that is what is brilliant about it. I mean those of Tal or Nezhmedinov
@alonsomartins7122 жыл бұрын
This move should have come with an "oh no my queen" from the opponent
@Goriaas6 жыл бұрын
why do you classify this as a queen sac even though it's clearly mate in 2 if you take?
@eric-rosen6 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that a queen sac for mate is still a queen sac
@Goriaas6 жыл бұрын
ok thanks I'm not an expert
@MrDannyg774 жыл бұрын
Part of the reason I stopped playing online chess many years ago was because of cheaters. And it’s still going on today perhaps more so than ever. People are vile.
@danyllooo3 жыл бұрын
Came here for levy’s new video
@tlambs6 жыл бұрын
How was it confirmed that your opponent had computer assistance? What are the options out there for someone to confirm?
@ashwin32336 жыл бұрын
You played osm, i can't see you sad, u r my fav player
@leftenanalim4 жыл бұрын
What made this so spooky is how the variation is named after Nezthmedinov
@ashmikharinkhede26186 жыл бұрын
Your voice is so amazing
@ieatfelux42886 жыл бұрын
Ashmik Harinkhede wtf
@funkykenan6 жыл бұрын
Great mic, great voice
@MrSupernova1116 жыл бұрын
weird
@geometricart78516 жыл бұрын
Yeah I didn't think about it before, but it is kind of like a bubbling brook. IM Rosen should look into making relaxation videos
@wouldhave49986 жыл бұрын
@@geometricart7851 This is a relaxation video.
@dictionaryofwords11086 жыл бұрын
Great instructive game. You had a good attitude throughout! How did you confirm he was cheating in the end?
@badjoke12324 жыл бұрын
Guys pls stop posting comments roasting SupermemeMonk I cant like them all.
@kevinkelly30945 жыл бұрын
I found Ng5, but only because I had been looking at Qf4 when you were considering where to escape to with your queen before you went Qb2. Even then I only stumbled onto it as a way to unleash the rook onto the queen, but then the queen would just take the knight and escape to safety, or trade with the other queen if the knight had instead moved to e5. But I also wasn't in the stress of the moment too. I always get blinders during the game.
@phyngineer6 жыл бұрын
Just curious. How was it confirmed that he cheated?
@amuricuh61436 жыл бұрын
phyngineer usually compare game with an engine
@eric-rosen6 жыл бұрын
Yes -- lichess.org/@/suprememonk
@ryankim19996 жыл бұрын
piggypigpig you cant just assume that he is cheating. It's a legitimate question
@cherubling6 жыл бұрын
or he isn't an online chess player????
@chattyw876 жыл бұрын
Even if he is a cheater, I think its still good for the chess community if they know how cheat detection works for the reason so that he is able to crack it. Since cracking it will help improve Chess AI at the very least it will teach the engines which moves humans will likely play.
@skycaptain953 жыл бұрын
Why does he not take the hanging pawn on F4 at 22:34? Did I miss something important? I see that the knight on c6 is hanging but surely it is valuable to at least get a pawn if you're going to lose the knight?
@daniels.39902 жыл бұрын
The rook would be in danger
@Channel-xy2wj5 жыл бұрын
You know it’s a computer when he gives you a rook for a bishop. Literally at that moment the bot noticed the whole turnout of the game and knew a blunder like that would mean nothing
@steamaccount34425 жыл бұрын
It's not uncommon for human players to make a calculated exchange sacrifice or even just a sacrifice for some kind of advantage in a game.
@sebaba0014 жыл бұрын
@@steamaccount3442 Usually those happen in the span of 2 or 3 moves. When 10 moves later you start regretting taking a rook something is fishy. I haven't seen it at all in super GM games. Very rarely and it's usually followed by a check and never ending king chase. This wasn't the case. Just traded it for a better position. That is very strange and very difficult to play properly. All white needs to do after that is get the king to be safe, which is easy most of the time if you're playing people your level. But against stock fish..
@xHannibal4 жыл бұрын
tabundo001 that looked like an alpha zero kind of move
@arsene44404 жыл бұрын
@@sebaba001 exactly. I watch lots of GM games and I rarely remember sacrifices like this. There was no clear follow up after the exchange sacrifice it was all to prevent castling and capitalize on the position which is a typical computer manuver. Even if moves like this are made it is not in 20 min games.
@thefasco44242 жыл бұрын
Eric: “going back to check previous games would be unethical” Opponent: cheats using computer
@DennisGr6 жыл бұрын
guys, i am nowhere near as good a player as eric, my lichess is and will forever be considerably lower than his actual and real elo, i hold no titles so it is safe to assume that i am a scrub. however, i have played my share of games and if somebody queen sacs me like this EVEN I become extremely suspicious. so yeah, pretty reasonable to suspect cheating here
@sfasfads6 жыл бұрын
It's the combination of hanging so many pieces with so little time for thought. A human would need to calculate the position was sound.
@benjaminjones57443 жыл бұрын
his name even says i have an ego problem more than an elo problem lol