CONFIRMED: Twitter Shadowbanning Is Real

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@Ataylor96]

So they literally lied under oath

[@ladymanzo9723]

They all do .. what’s new

[@shawnmartin1306]

Yes but as usual nothing will be done about it

[@ZPositive]

@King Charles ✔ there are loads of people who can now prove that Twitter's lies affected them monetarily. I'm sure the lawyers are already lining up.

[@alienanxiety]

@King Charles ✔ Consequences? Twitter doesn't owe anyone anything.

[@matthewcarver2013]

We already knew they've been shadow banning this whole time.

[@WilliamJames48]

He really does look like someone Scott Pilgrim had to fight.

[@TangoNevada]

Taco Bell, Pete Davidson.

[@PrismPoint]

I didn't realize shadowbanning wasn't public knowledge until now.

[@jennyanydots2389]

I'm sure there are a lot of things you don't realize boy!!

[@TavaraTheLaughingLion]

@@jennyanydots2389 Hey, hey, we don't do that that around here.

[@authenticlore8124]

No everyone knew ALL social media companies shadow ban. Twitter files part 2 was another dud

[@authenticlore8124]

@@jennyanydots2389 I realize the twitter files is a whole lot of nothing

[@7davesanchez]

It was a cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY.

[@mikeburr114]

Alex jones told us about this years ago

[@calebeyl141]

Was this ever in question? Shadow banning happens across all platforms.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Yeah I mean so what if they lied about it if you believed them then you are an idiot and deserved to be screwed.

[@Shark-hn4mv]

Twitter was dumb enough to lie because they knew no one would betray the cult.

[@Kai-tn4yx]

Yes, the previous CEOs of Twitter specifically stated that they were not using Shadowbanning.

[@tylerkriesel8590]

Apparently it was. I remember for the longest time that it was a “right wing conspiracy theory”

[@jennyanydots2389]

I shadow ban certain memories from my own brain. Like when I got my brother in laws wife pregnant those 6 times. Thank god for shadow abortions... am I right girls!!

[@JBlood-gf5pv]

He’s still shadowbanning. The Twitter files is an op. It’s all diversion.

[@kekwayblaze3176]

We know Elon Musk is desperately trying to suppress any negative coverage of him on Twitter.

[@aaronhrynyk]

Big gov + big tech = FASCISM

[@waltergrace565]

Nuh-uh. This is a corporate dem channel. So fascism just means an opinion you don't agree with.

[@303TAG303]

I like how Kyle can report the news either dressed nice in a suit and studio or while he's comfy in his bed 🤣

[@stevehood4263]

hate the bedcam

[@Tangle2Brook]

Me too kyle is great either way

[@MrBlack_761]

The duality of Man

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

“Report” the “news”…… 🙄

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

@@stevehood4263 same. Its distasteful.

[@applecatnyango]

Props to you for mentioning the almost exact policy Elon touted some time ago in an attempt to get advertisers back, which one could argue to be worse version because it would essentially take certain users OUT of the algorithm altogether instead of simply de-prioritizing them.

[@ChrissyBeTalking]

I knew this. And there are certain topics that they stop allowing comments on without the users permission. Usually celebrities. They did that with Adam Levine’s cheating. Just glad to know I’m not crazy. 😂

[@iceyroo]

This isn’t shocking to anyone, EVERY social media has this ability, it’s in the TOS.

[@bluecoffee8414]

No it is not and execs lied under oath claiming shadow banning does not exist.

[@nobodyfromnowhere3597]

Because it was politically motivated. It’s suppression of speech at the end of the day. You were so afraid of Fascist in the White House only to empower Fascist in FBI and CIA, but because they are LGBTQA+ it’s ok.

[@SaintKines]

@@nobodyfromnowhere3597 Trumps Whitehouse was also guilty though

[@nobodyfromnowhere3597]

@@SaintKines Did sociopathic liar try to accumulate power? Of course he did it’s just like asking fish to swim doesn’t mean he was any good at it. The problem is you had psychopath in the other camp you know the hidden ones.

[@patchwurk6652]

Shocking, no. Hilariously hypocritical coming from someone who ostensibly bought Twitter to make it a free speech bastion, yes.

[@DarthAlphaTheGreat]

To be fair if they were not influential, they would outright get banned. Not just shadow banned.

[@ThunderHOWL16]

this shit wasn’t even a secret though, they say they do this in their terms of service lmao

[@johnlewis3891]

Kyle’s analogy about phone companies not being blamed for mafia hits is ridiculous because phone calls are personal, directed to either one or a few people, whereas social posts are usually not personal and have a reach of billions of people. The mafia leader who wants to call a hit had that intention to kill before making the call and he likely knew who he wanted to carry out the hit before calling that person. Whereas when a person posts hateful posts on social media, these posts are usually public and intended to reach countless people. In many cases, the poster wants more people to become radicalized and encourage hate against the group that he hates. Also part of the reason why we don’t hold phone companies responsible for mafia leaders responsible for ordering hits is because the phone companies are not privy to these private conversations, whereas social media posts are usually widely available.

[@michaelarmijo4112]

What do you mean by privy? They can't listen. Or choose not to? 46 yrs ago I'd go to GTE with my step father he'd worked at the Redondo Beach main switch. He's the guy the heat calls to trace a number.location. I'd spend the shift walking around plugging my head phones in and listen to conversations and they never knew. It was that easy.

[@johnlewis3891]

@@michaelarmijo4112 Tracing a phone is different than installing a listening device. Also they can't legally listen to private conversation without a warrant. Also in a country of millions of people, how would a phone company know whose a mafia leader and when that leader is making a call to arrange a hit?

[@michaelarmijo4112]

@@johnlewis3891 I'm not disagreeing. I'm telling you what I use to do as a kid. Back in the day TV shows always claimed it takes 10 min or more. Lol John would do it in 3 min. Like I said I use to spend the shift just listening in on calls and they never knew it.

[@lrwsf1]

Cucklinski defended Trump during Russiagate when he was openly obstructing the investigation, plus he’s platforming fascists like Saagar Enjeti. I don’t take him seriously anymore, whore Krystal Ball either.

[@michaelarmijo4112]

@@lrwsf1 Moron and how was he obstructing something that did not happen. I see your the type of progressive that shines above all other piles of begging trash. Talk about obstruction, why don't you man up and pay your own way like the rest of us did. No one likes a begger. How did you come to be a begger? Just lazy? You people crack me up especially your variety, how do you face what ever you call a mate or children , when begging is all you got and hate for your country. Move to tyt where the bottom of the progressives are. Cenk will give all the hate you can handle. Have you ever tried working ? Or went straight to begging the right wing to pay your w ay just curious.

[@AngryShooter]

Shadow bans or any system that secretly removes a user's input without them knowing are DISGUSTING. I'm not a free-speech absolutist, I think there is speech and people who should be deplatformed, however transparency is non-negotiable.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I'm so annoyed by the "so what?" attitude of so many people. Even Twitter thought it was a big deal because they lied about it for years.

[@alienanxiety]

If you tell someone their shadowbanned, that kinda kills the point of it.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

It’s literally in their terms of service.

[@AngryShooter]

@@alienanxiety The point is that shadow banning shouldn't be a thing. I you want to deboost or restrict a page then fine, but LET THE USER KNOW.

[@Burgerboss-rb7un]

i hate this new term “ free speech absolutist”. It’s a literal right that your willing to give up. This shit is crazy.

[@dabaracus352]

You know Kyle is pissed that this is being exposed.

[@davidmurray5674]

Why's that?

[@Macachee]

No he’s pissed that it’s _happening_ !!

[@golfer435]

We may not agree politically, but I think the left and the right can all agree that shadow banning is bad. If you're going to be a marketplace of ideas, then that means you are a marketplace of all ideas. That said, I don't think this precludes moderation. There have to be some controls over what content is on your platform.

[@Sp4cecase]

Social media and phone service is vastly different. For intance, platforms are publishing posts online. They have an obligations to moderate what is published.

[@davidfaustino4476]

Yeah. Shadowbanning.. also known as having a moderator.

[@jgarza9809]

Having a moderator that is too emotionally invested into politics for the job... It's pretty obvious that those "moderators" and "fact checkers" were deciding their facts/rulings based on their political beliefs...

[@timoegan]

Yeah exactly the same having the FBI ban the truth

[@SapientGalaxy]

Glad Kyle finally mentioned the advertiser aspect. Always says how these companies should be treated like public utilities but never mentions any way that could actually be implemented or prevent them from going under when the overwhelming number of advertisers would pull out. They're already skittish on websites with moderation. Unless the government is going to buy up all these social media platforms or heavily subsidize them, both of which I oppose, it's just not feasible.

[@sethobannion3149]

One step in that direction could be requiring annual reports on the algorithm and shadowbanning and whatever things they do to alter what spreads and what doesn't.

[@Kai-tn4yx]

Very easy: If they're treated by public utilities under law, no advertisers can extert pressure, since the companies are forced by law to do it.

[@bobthebear1246]

Easy: The Government would own them.

[@lachousalle31]

The estate agent quickly marked out his territory on the dance floor.

[@juvedoo99]

Giving social media so much social capital that at any moment can crumble is so strange.

[@bdz_4206]

7:26 Probably because social media is so much more visible. I would imagine that is all calls were broadcast the same requests would have been made of the phone companies. Kind of a 'we can all see, why don't you do something about it'

[@churchofthelambofsat]

Could've guessed this based on the fact that Elon explicitly promised to keep doing it.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Yeah an these right wingers don't mind because they want the power to shadow ban.

[@jennyanydots2389]

My dad said the same thing about the dog beatings. We went through 17 dogs before I hit anal puberty!! Our backyard was literallly full of dead dogs... we were that house in every neighborhood with the backyard full of dead dogs. It was sooooo awesome! I still fill my pants when I think about it too hard son.

[@matthewburke6802]

Do we believe that Twitter is the only social media/social viewing company that does this? KZbin, TikTok, Facebook….

[@Khalkara]

Yea I think this is another subject where Kyle has done 0 research. Every social media platform does shadowbanning lol

[@undisputedchamp4317]

I am not a twitter apologist, but its pretty rich seeing capitalists get mad about capitalism. Oh content thats typically vitriolic racist and non advertiser friendly wasnt put on the front page? Crazy!

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Lol

[@giancarloortiz9236]

It just proves more and more that so many people don't understand the system that we live in, *especially* some of its biggest defenders. It's like the irony of conservative voters wanting America to be run like a business...like...in a business *you* work for your boss...they don't seem to grasp the irony of wanting a *free* country where we work for the govt. instead of the other way around. Just goes to show how effectively Capitalism creates ignorance...can't make boat loads of money if your workers are smart enough to know you're exploiting them. 🤷

[@kalebdobbs8941]

Kyle you have without a doubt been "do not amplified" by KZbin

[@Khalkara]

Doubtful. He just doesn't do anything to advertise his channel on other platforms. You can't get mad about YT's algorithm not suggesting someone who isn't getting a lot of traffic.

[@authenticlore8124]

Shadowbanning has been a thing since the beginning of the internet and online forums. Why are people acting surprised lol. I’ve been shadowbanned, twitter has policy on shadowbanning you can read all the way back from 2018

[@kennethb6211]

Oh a publicly traded corporation lied I'm shocked you thought they didn't at this point.

[@fullyactivated]

The right was right lol

[@dustinsindledecker154]

No because nobody disputed this but twitter.

[@WinstonBartholomewIII]

I think the true story should be on how much social media sucks and how grown ups are all been out of shape over something designed for teenage girls.

[@jj947]

But my friend Elon is making sure I get more good boy points on the computer

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

BUUUHHHH BUUUHH TWITTER ACCOUNTS ARE A HUMAN RIGHT!!!!!!

[@ryguy1483]

If you honestly view that as a "true story," then you don't understand how serious this is.

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

@@ryguy1483 the true story is that conservatives are terminally online

[@brockfg]

@@ryguy1483 its definitely a joke.

[@techyougo]

If their numbers are high enough advertisers will stay. They already came back

[@quinndawsonosgood5261]

Musk just turned Twitter into mainstream 4chan. An echo chamber only half the people on social media will use. The advertisers may stay for a while, but the amount of ads they buy will steadily decline.

[@conflictvideo3014]

They don't deserve protection .

[@Cunnysmythe]

I was quite surprised that this was such a revelation when it's the current policy of Twitter

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

Well what's going to happen is every single individual who pretended there wasn't shadow banning, now proven wrong, will back track and double down at the same time.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@Momofukudoodoowindu it wasn't shadowbanning because we called it something different but it was a good thing when we did it

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

@@Cunnysmythe probably something along the lines of "preventing hate speech" or some equally effective euphemism

[@jennyanydots2389]

You're surprised on account of your down syndrome not because it's surprising.

[@mark4asp]

Isn't "current policy" supposed to be public information?

[@kelseymj1975]

I disagree with comparing social media to Verizon. Social media is like a hybrid of a main stream newspaper & town square, that everyone has their own op ed. You can't have people posting crazy things as facts and other people not knowing the difference. Not saying that shadow banning is the best method but the social media platforms do have to something IMO.

[@palehorse7377]

you also cant be the arbitrator of what is "crazy" and what is "fact." nor can you be the protector of peoples minds and thoughts. thats called a fucking dictator.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@palehorse7377 Well actually you can when you own the PRIVATE COMPANY.

[@kelseymj1975]

@@palehorse7377 no but we can have clear guidelines as to what's fact and what's opinion. We learned this in 4th grade.

[@palehorse7377]

@@kelseymj1975 you vehemently supported a party that locked a country down for 2 years and eradicated any voice that warned against the real and actual dangers of the corporate vaccine. listening to anything you have to say is an exercise in pure idiocy.

[@kelseymj1975]

@@palehorse7377 how would you have any idea what party I supported or what my views on vaccines are?

[@davidalexander3320]

Yes. All social media and search companies do this and always have. And they have every right to do it. No idea why this is news.

[@jgarza9809]

Sure... But the issue is when government is actively working with those entities in stopping citizens from voicing an opposing view... And might I add, views that have just as much legitimacy as the establishment view... That is clearly violating people's rights... People voicing basic logic- COVID likely came from a Chinese lab that researches COVID viruses... Shouldn't be discredited because: The WHO doesn't want their puppet master (China) to be exposed! Or... We can't let Trump be right! No matter how many documents you show them -- from the Twitter files or other leaks -- proving that the FBI, DHS and Big Tech are united to censor the internet, they will utter "nothing burger" -- because these journalists are the ones who cheer this authoritarian crap. They demanded it!

[@matthewhartz9235]

Good. It's still searchable, it's just not broadcasted

[@BeardOfRiker]

“You should have a more open system. Whatever happens, happens. If it goes in a bad direction, so be it.” Good luck getting advertisers to sign on to that.

[@tylermcconnell]

Advertisers care about eyeballs. Until a social media platform gets bigger than Twitter, advertiser wallets will be open.

[@BeardOfRiker]

@@tylermcconnell It’s not that simple. If a platform is a true free for all, major advertisers are going to stay away. No major companies want to be directly associated with racist and bigoted content. Not because they really care, but because it’s bad for business.

[@ds2k15]

"Thats why we're implementing a paid tier. Sh!t that's not working. Ok now introducing the $20 tier. Bah! Still not enough. Ok, $100 and ill let you dox whoever you want."

[@jareddunlop8411]

Good because ef advertisers. If they don't support that, why do we support them. Without advertisers this is all dead in the water? Good.

[@michaelarmijo4112]

​@@jareddunlop8411 Ahhh wishful thinking.

[@TheCriticalTaco]

I do miss when Kyle was a bit more honest. He's either lying to us or lying to himself. "There's the same amount of people- maybe even more people on the left that are shadow banned than those on the right." Bro I lean left but come on man! All of us that use our brains know that isn't true!

[@TheCriticalTaco]

Not to mention, to act as if the most of the 'people' hardcore going along with the Nazi shit aren't trolls or bots, is just being dishonest.

[@DousedInPiss]

Yeah, I do like Kyle but he does have weak areas, like this or his unquestioning support for AOC.

[@fruitingfungi]

Why isn't it true? Because you put it in a post? Have you not heard experts talk about the "algorithms" that benefit hate speech or to be more specific GOP agenda.

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

I really think he's starting to "believe his own headlines", as the saying goes. Whether that's living in cognitive dissonance or actual ignorance, I don't know. But all of his politics reporting specifically has become disingenuous.

[@evansuarez5432]

And you believe your own beliefs based on what evidence? Because Elon and the right-wing squeal about it 24/7? The left has been shadow banned and now more than ever under Elon Musk

[@darkbags39]

Kyle looking more like gay Ricky Martin everyday

[@McRaeWritescom]

So twitter lied about shadowbanning me for the past year...

[@alienanxiety]

You're not that important.

[@alienanxiety]

Every single media entity in existence shadowbans. Every news network, every newspaper, every online journalist - they all choose which voices and stories to amplify and which to limit. It's called content moderation.

[@pebblepod30]

But the difference is they call themselves "Publishers", not "Platforms", and they are not Platforms. Big Tech often are Platforms, and have the legal protections of that under The Communications Act 1996 brought in by Bill Clinton. Yet they BEHAVE like Publishers, and lie about it. Also, the economic left (which is me & probably you if you watch secular talk), will be Shadowbanned bc we conflict with Billionaire & Private Equity Greed. So it is very unwise for us to ignore or promote political Censorship of ideas as a virtue, rather than only censorship of behavioral ethics, by an equal standard.

[@alienanxiety]

@@pebblepod30 As a libertarian leftist I believe Twitter is free to moderate as they see fit. It's no different to me than "no shirt, no shoes, no service". Forget the left or right dynamic - I don't believe Twitter is obligated to amplify disinformation and hate speech. To be honest, I think we would all be happier if social media disappeared overnight.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@alienanxiety Finally someone who understands free speech.

[@ColonizersBlow]

I knew it was. It has happened to me…and I know for certain because I was able to check if my tweets were present from another account that’s not my own. Tweets totally not visible.

[@stevebuscemi4185]

Yeah dawg you were so popular that they blacklisted you lmao

[@RobertSmith-gx3mi]

Has UPS, FedEx, and the USPS taken away the shipping privileges of the company that manufactures Ivermectin in case someone tries to order Ivermectin to treat covid?

[@NotimetoVero]

In their screen shots it also showed “LibsofTikTok” is *prioritized* They don’t get flagged

[@DousedInPiss]

Due to mass false flagging.

[@itsme7570]

Not safe for work will put a sensitive material message over your tweet and you have to verify you want to maybe see something possibly fucked up by clicking it

[@ZPositive]

The lawyers are clamboring all over each other to figure out who can be sued for what.

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

lolwut? twitter can shadowban or regular ban as much as they want

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

@King Charles ✔ good luck trying to prove that, as you can easily play definitional wordgames here

[@Ataylor96]

@@gertjanvandamme2068 It's on video and on record.

[@Ataylor96]

Lawsuits are definitely coming. They said while under oath that shadowbanning wasn't real and they don't do that.

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

@@Ataylor96 -Lawsuits are definitely coming god, do you twits always love hitting yourselves at the same rock over and over again, do you lot have some sort of fetish for being scammed

[@rayne6719]

Kyle is gonna be so butt hurt when he finds out he was never shadow banned 😂

[@Macachee]

He was though! Even I was a few times for just trolling some blue check mark cuckservatives!

[@rayne6719]

We Shall See

[@JohnMiller-mmuldoor]

Shadowbanning is good and necessary. Because there no such thing as a “platform”. Twitter and other social media companies are just the new version of publishing companies

[@milmal7336]

no they are not. U should do some research. But in short. They are more like the book store. Not the publisher. U can't sue a bookstore for selling a book. But u can sue a publisher. They try to act as a publisher, while claiming to be a bookstore, so they can't be sued. And it is also illegal.

[@slayer19978]

Wait how do I know if I got shadow banned

[@JohnDoe-xv9du]

The most important thing of the taibi leak was that right wingers have protection which prevents them from being flagged no matter what

[@JohnDoe-xv9du]

@Diomedes nope, turns out that was a conspiracy. as it turns out with the of libs of tiktok and other accounts that it was the opposite. The security leaks by the reporters showed that the accounts that would so frequently posts racists and transphobic stuff that they needed special protections to prevent them getting constantly flagged. They literally made it so that no security staff could ban them under dorsey. Its funny, bc u rightcucks were only half right lol. Its like how you call getting rid of bots "meddling". Theres only been a rightwing bias, and corporations have been colluding with the republicans which makes sense bc they are the most closest to being corrupt w eps and illegal trafficking such as w trump and gaetz

[@jgarza9809]

Protection for politically biased moderators? That's a good thing...

[@bourbonstansell8823]

Now we see why Kyle is having an identity crisis. Been cheering for the bad guys this entire time.

[@somethingginterestingg4275]

Wasnt bary Weiss who you were trying to beat?

[@JStrummer1]

Duuuuuh There's a sight where you could check your own account for shadowbanning. Tell us something we don't know

[@alvinsoehendrywijaya]

Yups shadowban search ban ghost ban etc you can just write username and check yourself

[@Sprite141]

Oh no not the thing they specifically said they were doing. Man if only Twitter gave an official announcement saying that they were doing this Shadow banning thing. Oh yeah, they did.

[@DousedInPiss]

Only that's outright not true... They released a statement that they didn't shadow ban people, only to go ahead and decribe what they did which is the definition of shadow banning... Jack even sat in front on congress and stated twitter didn't shadow ban.

[@genghisdingus]

Funny too how Libsoftiktok has a flag on their account which basically says they're immune to TOS and only higher ups can take action against them.

[@devalapar7878]

I mean didn't he want to shadowban everyone who doesn't pay 8 dollars a month?

[@brainstewX]

No

[@ZPositive]

Words must be hard.

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Oh yeah he actually said that if you don't 8 bucks a month then your comments would be hidden.

[@kimjong-un5562]

Must be sad to make fun of Twitter and it's 8 dollars. When u dont even know what he saying typical idiot leftist

[@devalapar7878]

@Kim Jong-un Do you know what a rhetorical question is? Typical conservative idiot.

[@uytdeman]

Why is this even a story? Media has been shaped, editorialized, propagandized since it’s inception. Algorithms are programmed to do all sorts of demented things.

[@eshqa]

Thanks, Kyle. Well explained. 👌

[@johnsolo1439]

I remember getting way more likes and comments when I first got my account but then I added all these left wing followers and it went dark like less than 50% traffic. Anyway I deleted the app cuz I felt crazy.

[@ianward2120]

Jesus, did he even look into this at all? He is speaking as though there was any part of this that was not either/both A) pretty much CYAed in the TOS and/or pretty similar to existing policy. Now that i have heard the rest of the video, it is even worse. Kyle knew it wasn't anything and still made a video and presented it as if this wasn't a heap of steamy bullshit.

[@Recolatt]

Kyle sold out 5 months ago that is a fact zero respect for his audience

[@patchwurk6652]

@@Recolatt "Kyle sold out 5 months ago that is a fact" Facts can be proven, dickblister. "zero respect for his audience" Oh no, whatever will people do knowing you don't respect them?

[@50-50_Grind]

It's also called moderation.

[@Ewokisic]

The new Cenk

[@Recolatt]

Kyle sold out 5 months ago he does propaganda for the left 🤡

[@PhreakPhantom]

Yup

[@TheMasterOfPeanuts]

So when is Elon open sourcing the algorithms again? Seems like showing the process would be way more elucidating. Oh well, not the first promise Elon failed to materialize. I'll change my tune if he finally does it.

[@Jackal4563]

Nah, you’ll just move the goalposts and complain about something else.

[@ZPositive]

Do you think Musk might be a tad busy revealing the corruption within the company he bought right now? He couldn't even reveal this news last Friday without a mole in his company editing the documents.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@Jackal4563 What happened to Elon Free Speech Musk?

[@fruitingfungi]

@@Jackal4563 nah, by then he'll have done a least half a dozen other really stupid things....I mean 4D chess moves.

[@pamelajensen5961]

Verizon service is way different because they don’t have to use advertisers, the user pays for the service. I doubt Twitter would exist if everyone had to paid for the service. I’d prefer social media work like that, I’d rather pay to not see advertisements, or at least as many.

[@why_not_both]

Ah yes, America’s bathroom wall, Twitter.

[@kevinshamrok]

Shadow banning is real and Elon himself has threatened to shadow ban while simultaneously complaining about shadow banning lol

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

as always, they just mad its not used on the other guys

[@brainstewX]

Quote please?

[@ZPositive]

He didn't. He said users would be notified that their accounts were being suppressed, and given instructions on how to unsuppress them. It's not shadow banning if you tell the user.

[@kevinshamrok]

@@brainstewX sure no problem “New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized, so no ads or other revenue to Twitter. You won’t find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different from rest of Internet.” Which is the big ol’ “bombshell” that “journalists” like Weiss are reporting. Just like the other “bombshell” regarding Biden’s team requesting things to be removed while the actual sitting president at the time was doing it. Next time just check his Twitter instead of asking someone else to do the work

[@kevinshamrok]

@@ZPositive yeah, 20hours ago. Just a coincidence that it was the same day as the report about shadow banning. His original tweet was from November 18th and nothing was mentioned regarding what he said 20 hours ago. Maybe Elon was trying to get ahead of his own hypocrisy due to the fact his claim about the hunter Biden story exposed his hypocrisy regarding “free speech” and “voter suppression” considering the actual president at the time was doing the same thing

[@peoples2296]

It's embarrassing to see the TYT and Majority Report types dismiss this story as nothing interesting. Really going MSNBC lite.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Tyt just another neolib msm

[@evansuarez5432]

It isn’t. It’s a bs right-wing victim narrative. Why isn’t Elon talking about what Trump’s White House asked Twitter to take down. Why isn’t Elon talking about the data that came out that Twitter’s algorithms favor right-wing pundits over left-wing? Why aren’t they showing ALL shadow-banned accounts

[@jevicci]

I would say Twitter is less like a phone and more like a radio station.

[@MrBiscuit75]

Uh yeah...other platforms even KZbin has been doing it for a long time. Censorship is real and growing everyday in this country.

[@onlyme219]

Love and sub to this channel, but Twitter is not as important as the media including this channel thinks it is

[@peoples2296]

Breaking news usually cones from Twitter. Forums all over the internet are using Twitter as a source. News articles are being written about Tweets now. You had the producers of the TV show Wednesday have to come out with a Public statement because a few anonymous users on Twitter decided it was racist. It matters.

[@onlyme219]

@@peoples2296 Okay, Elon.What is a 'cones'?

[@nicholasholden1896]

Secular talk the rubin of the left

[@Recolatt]

Half the comments are calling Kyle's bullshit out and others are just clueless 🤡

[@peterroberts4415]

Then why were people and governments so upset that Musk bought it?

[@s3s_]

Always be wary of Elon.

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

Elon is exposing you woke commies.

[@MacShapow]

It's the algorithm tho! There's no algorithm for your phone calls; not the case in social media. That's why people call for moderation....

[@Ryan-093]

Do people have a right to promotion on a platform? Free speech has never encompassed being promoted.

[@baalomni3429]

Verizon calls are not mass distributed to the public. Bad analogy man, gotta toss that one in the bin. Just saying

[@Rob_Cary]

I do not understand why Kyle won't touch the Brittney Griner story. He didn't when it all went down either. I don't care about Kanye or Twitter. Kyle, love ya bud, but your typical takes on drug offenders issues shouldn't even be controversial with this HUGE news. Why are you avoiding it? It sucks this comment won't be read by Kyle but will probably be responded to by Dore-ite trolls lol.

[@Rob_Cary]

Who cares who we traded? Ukraine have sponged off our country so much that they should be able to handle their own on that one. Regardless of a take though, it needs to be covered.

[@Rob_Cary]

We have an arms dealer here that doesn't care about death. The NRA. I'm PRO gun and I can say that. I don't care about the trade. The take needs to be that what happened was great but needs to be the start of a freeing of all non violent drug offenders. And when you say it isn't a good look, who is it not a good look for? Biden? Kyle aint here to paint Biden in rose covered lenses. We know he's a flawed candidate.

[@nicholasholden1896]

Kyle just a msm hack

[@Chevalier1632]

I do not understand why you would spend all that time leading up to this video arguing with others saying none of this was true and it was all right wing propaganda, then when the truth comes out all you want to do is deflect to another story. It's almost like you're patently dishonest.

[@Rob_Cary]

@Chevalier1632 It seems like you got me confused with someone else, bud. I never shared any thoughts on this Twitter story. I don't care about it.

[@wildbill9681]

Elon already admitted that he plans on implementing shadowbanning so this will just continue to be business as usual.

[@mklolcoru4840]

So?

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

but now libs of tiktok can be even worse whilst triggering andy ngo is pretty much a death sentence for your account

[@MartianManHunter7]

Do you even understand what shadowbanning is? He said if your account is deamplified, you would know the reason and how to appeal, hence not shadowbanning

[@ryguy1483]

Ummmm no?

[@MicahFoxxMusic]

No, Elon is doing the opposite of shadow-banning. Twitter will show users why they have restrictions and how to appeal and also which behavior to change in order to be in good standing.

[@zeldapro18]

7:00 Not entirely sure I get the Verizon phone call vs Social media comparison(a worldwide apparatus of visual communication)

[@natashanyxx9486]

Kyle: Here, take a big bite out of this Nothing Burger.

[@rubbercable]

*"Free Speech Absolutism":* when you have the luxury of not having to fight for survival.

[@DousedInPiss]

Who's fighting for survival on twitter?

[@rubbercable]

@@DousedInPiss - Trans people - gay marriage. - Abortion rights - BiPoc in the face of miscengenation and nazi hate speech.

[@DousedInPiss]

@@rubbercable And somehow twitter is a threat to their life? People saying things they don't like is going to kill them?

[@rubbercable]

@@DousedInPiss Speech can be used to incite: - (wartime)Sedition, Riots, G-nocides, Pogroms. - It's real enough that all govts will literally imprison you for some of this stuff. (so don't just 'free speech' @ me)

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

Kyle, you are gaslighting your audience. Whether you actually believe what you're saying, live in cognitive dissonance, or are being purposefully obtuse, I don’t know. But its just not honest. You used to pride yourself on the nuance of this conversation. As far as I can tell, you are not only biased, you're now grifting for the side you claimed to hate.

[@jca9417]

Him pretending like trump was equally getting things taken down for himself is laughable and he's trying to make it seem like all Biden did was ask to take down "revenge porn" ...

[@Momofukudoodoowindu]

@@jca9417 its making me feel insane because I've watched this dude for 7 years. Im not a random hater. Im watching his TrAnSiTiOn before my eyes. Remember how Kyle used to roll his eyes at the "game of semantics"?

[@jca9417]

@@Momofukudoodoowindu same here bro, I've been watching for the past 10 years . His transition is painful.

[@kimjong-un5562]

Yeah I kinda figured when the truth came out Kyle would show us the Soros money he got in 2015

[@Recolatt]

Kyle sold out 5 months ago you don't get any facts anymore he gets paid to do propaganda how his audience doesn't realize it blows my mind

[@winwinmilieudefensie7757]

What is shadow banning?

[@DousedInPiss]

It's the state of not actually being banned on the platform. But having your account be treated like it wasn't there (to lesser or greater extents). So for instance even though you may be able to see comments and reply, the replies will never show up because they're automatically hidden, any content you make will be hidden or have massively reduced visibility.

[@Metalworks41190]

Basically every thing you post is buried and set to low priority so you you think nobody's paying attention to you when actually nobody in is being notified of said post and they are not allowed to trend or gain any momentum. Your basically a ghost.

[@ryanfrazier3127]

What’s the news here?

[@waltergrace565]

Huh? You thought this was a "news" channel? This dude put out 9 Kanye West videos in the span of three days and one of those days he didn't put out any videos.

[@berrybluebird3842]

How was Musk supposed to help Twitter again?

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

by giving libs of tiktok and their ilk even more preferential treatment

[@fordprefect294]

He wasn't

[@ZPositive]

Does revealing how much the Twitter execs were lying to us not help?

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

@UCaYnsdWUgSO57mfr40Cf-dg "right of center" lol the screenshot litteraly showed they had multiple strikes and could only get anything done to them by the higher ups, i got banned multiple times for FAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR less than what she ever did, and i didn't throw a temper tantrum. you guys simply don't have the strength of spirit to handle any limits on your behaviour

[@brockfg]

i am happy he exposed these things

[@alienanxiety]

Can't wait to see Elon's face when lawsuits against Twitter begins and he realized he owns it.

[@pognarchy]

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAA OMG YOURE RIGHT

[@ZPositive]

Buying a car that used to be used to ferry drugs doesn't put you at risk. The lawsuits will obviously target former execs. You know, the ones who lied under oath?

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Yeah he doesn't realize they won't be sueing the people who did the shadow banning they be sueing the company.

[@lurkingsoldi2107]

Why hasn't he talked about the WNBA player- international gunlord L trade?

[@giancarloortiz9236]

Because it's only news if you believe right wing emotional manipulation. Bout has been out of his trade for *a decade and a half* . He's lost his networks and contacts, the world and tech have advanced to a point that he would need to completely change his old process, and now everyone *across the world* knows his name and face. He's a nothing burger. He isn't going back into his trade, and if he tries, it will be a long time before he's relevant again, and by that time he will be very old and not long for this world. He served time and is now nothing but an infamous name. Trading a nothing burger Russian prisoner for a American Sports Star is pretty freaking good if you ask me.

[@tylerkriesel8590]

Hold up, I thought this was a right wing conspiracy theory? What changed?

[@diegomotta4485]

What's a conspiracy theory is that right wingers were targeted because of political affiliation.....in fact the algorithm helps right wingers by promoting their content

[@Leshic2]

Now Musk needs to buy KZbin from Google, and prove it here too.

[@JonathanRootD]

I actually don't want KZbin to die. So no.

[@Henbot]

No because he would run YT into the ground with your bs

[@alexthefae]

Its called moderation. Youve never been one or understand it. Twitter had rules and regulations. It happens to the right snd left difference is the right spreads hate and violence and lies.

[@darkbags39]

@@JonathanRootD why would it die? I would still use it

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

@@JonathanRootD WANT TO BUY TESLA

[@waltergrace565]

The amount of astro-turfing on here is off the chain.

[@stickjohnny]

Next time on "No S**t Sherlock": is water wet? The answer might surprise you!

[@brandon_crow1291]

Them giving reasons and a way to get out of it is a bullshit cover to lessen the shit storm. Facebook has an "appeal" process but it's honestly just a waste of time. You could get fucked over on there and appeal it and nothing happens which is usually the case. Meanwhile you could report blatant scam accounts or be getting harrassed and report that and yet have them say "oh this isn't against TOS." when it clearly is. The appeal thing is a fuckin joke and just a cover to shut people up.

[@ryanmartin6035]

Freedom of speech not freedom of reach... transparent deamplification and banning. Elon never said he was in favor of shadowbanning without transparency.

[@tomaO2]

I don't necessarily have an issue with this half shadow banning if Elon wanted to continue it. The main issue was the LYING that it didn't exist. Tell people the rules that lead to X or Y and let them go at it. Being open on what you you can say without issue is the most important aspect.

[@nathanclaytonvarietyasmr8224]

The least shocking news censorship breaking news story ever

[@kingofamon2217]

These twitter files are the biggest nothing that ever burgered.

[@MH-ro1lg]

You think the feds and dnc and The Biden Team colluding with tech companies to censor an October surprise which rigged an election is nothing, or is that what the leftist hivemind is programming you to think?

[@evancalfee]

Kyle going for that "Justin Timberlake in 1999" look

[@robertoacevedo3805]

I never got a twitter account. Thank God.

[@northwestpsychfest7329]

Kyle, private phone calls are different than public tweets

[@Deadlift4chips]

we all knew despite the denial.

[@nasis18]

KZbin does the same thing to comments. So, does Facebook. This suprise anyone?