Should Guinness Bottles use Caps Or A Cork? Ireland 1969

[@obsidianzarok2361]

big big change for the country. As soon as those caps came in everything has been downhill for Ireland.

[@npickle54]

Everything is always going downhill in Ireland lol

[@Cavedogman]

@@npickle54 theres alot of hills...

[@tomfoley5837]

I’d say before the 50s was a bit worse than now

[@ar-whelan8588]

Keep Ireland outta yer gab

[@Jafmanz]

It went downhill the moment the Vikingr swept all the gold and fisted all the women.

[@johnadams1147]

And there it was, Guinness switched to the crown cap and the whole of Ireland forever on joined Father Matthew in abstaining from alcohol. Amen

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

So it be.

[@flipper2392]

And that's why there's no alcoholics in Ireland. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWPCaXydppyepZY&ab_channel=SirStevoTimothy

[@USA92]

But it didn't stop you from doing nothing about children being raped by your priests huh? Priorities.

[@jaqian]

For any who don't get the reference, Fr Matthew promoted abstinence as in no drink lol

[@lukemccann]

God rest him

[@NickMullet]

Thank you.

[@thomaswebb2584]

Thanks!

[@rubyoffrails]

"Just by looking at them?" haha

[@nigefal]

Yeah that cracked me up. Not sure if he was serious or not.

[@vitorschroederdosanjos6539]

@@nigefal I think he's irish

[@KJ_2020]

I bet he could have done it 😅

[@thekingerlavelle8906]

😂😂😂

[@bobsmith3291]

Hilarious propaganda if ever I’ve seen it

[@Dreyno]

Now I want a corked bottle of stout ☹️

[@jameswalsh5733]

what have we been missing all these years

[@cautionTosser]

added to bucket list. if i have to cork the fawker myself. :P

[@tannarbuck7908]

There is a big taste between bottled and canned beer I am sure there is with it being corked as well

[@mikebooth930]

Yeah you would think Guinness would still make them and just charge more as I am sure we would all like to try one now.

[@TheBigMclargehuge]

Why? Because some jack offs in the '60s were paid by cork manufacturers to make a short movie?

[@oldUmanUshea]

I'm willing to bet metal caps from that era don't have any plastic or paint coating on them and are just bare metal. That'll definitely screw with the taste of the stout.

[@michaelgordon3805]

Yeah he said at the end "tin tops" so probably pure tin, not very healthy.

[@pawel8365]

Good point, it was new technology, and far from perfect.

[@thomascarroll9556]

@@michaelgordon3805 err “tin tops” was just a description, the metal caps were lined with cork, which you could prise out and then make them into a “badge” wrecked your pulley tho’. Gawd only knows what these fellas would have made of Draught Guinness?

[@thomascarroll9556]

I’ll take that bet, it was 1969 not 1769! “Metal Caps” were Crown Corks were and are still in use today by home brewers all over the world, have the same effect on stout (or any other beer/drink) as any other cork product - i.e. none.

[@01ProFfs]

Then fukkin don´t drink it!

[@richiec9077]

Half a century later and that man's question still stands "why do they cork champagne?"

[@derekdempsey8506]

because a cork works for centurys companys need to stop changeing what they do,havnt bought a bottle of lucazade ever since they started using plastic bottles,same like when yorkie stoped using foil inside there wrapper

[@jigsey.]

@@derekdempsey8506 correct lucozade in the glass bottle with the orange wrapping was a fantastic childhood treat when you was off school

[@hashbrown777]

Crowns are cheaper, champagne wants to remain to appear more upper class, so they'll never do anything to remove something that now makes it special too (since everything else is crowned or screwtopped now too)

[@arsebiscuits560]

With grapes and a comic

[@martygi]

@@derekdempsey8506 lucozade in a glas bottle was far superior no doubt

[@seanlynam8171]

Mr. Clinton had to finish all those glasses of Guinness having taken a sip from each one. Mr. Clinton does not approve of Guinness waste.

[@Hahahahaaahaahaa]

I always appreciate that for as long as there's been television, there's been people on television really sure their feelings are facts.

[@edthegoomba]

The man proved he could taste the crown cap in a controlled test, he was a man of science and facts #bringbackthecork

[@peetsnort]

And his palate would be dulled by the time he reached the genuine bottle 10/10 good man

[@JesseP.Watson]

Such beautiful bits of film these, when TV was made by film directors... each one's like a little work of art.

[@JesseP.Watson]

@ShannonFreng Aye, but my point was that, in terms of artistry in the photography, pacing and editing they have far more to offer than the eye gouging dross todays TV studio pumps out, they have genuine crafted quality that comes across whatever the subject matter, a depth of aesthetic sense that is lost today. I make films myself so I tend to notice those things... in other words, they actually compose interesting shots even with interviews etc. instead of just relying on sensational CGI cuts etc. to carry it. I see that being very widespread in old TV programs, you'll get some reporter out in a backwater, what would be a nothing on the news today, but whoever shot it had actually made it into a little artwork, irrespective of the actual topic.

[@JesseP.Watson]

@ShannonFreng Aye, 'appen you might be right there, write in to 'em, I say, get 'em told... "Now then, about that 1969 segment on bottletops, something's been eating away at me regarding that for the past 60 year odd..." 😉

[@JesseP.Watson]

@ShannonFreng Quitters!

[@JesseP.Watson]

@ShannonFreng Didn't see that other reply. ...Raised in North Yorkshire, on a sheep farm, a travelling man today, sat in a van on a mountainside in (old) South Wales. Likewise a sober one myself and KZbin geek, too much youtube... easily done eh, saves talking to oneself.

[@JesseP.Watson]

@ShannonFreng Ah, still, you have my respect there, for few manage to quit that habit. I am not abstinent as such, I was lucky in that I was never drawn to alcohol beyond very limited social drinking, I never liked the sensation of being seriously drunk, which is a blessing. I have had more of an issue through my life with smoking of the non-tobacco variety. ...In some periods. I have always been a night owl and somewhat reclusive at times so it could easily become my guilty secret to smoke when the rest of the world was snoozing. Luckily I was not incapacitated by it as so many are and have lived a full life but it got serious in 2020 during lockdown when I used it as a sedative to stop me bouncing off the walls during the day, which I never did before... that habit followed me then for a while afterwards but I quit it last autumn and have enjoyed a clear head since. That could easily cause depression, which I am happy to be rid of. [PS. I note the use of JP's terminology, if correct, aye, good friend to have that fellow is.]

[@temperedglass1130]

Heartbreaking what has become of Ireland.

[@judgedredd3568]

What has happened to Ireland??

[@ColHogan-zg2pc]

@@judgedredd3568 they got rid of the corks!

[@EannaWithAFada]

@@ColHogan-zg2pc The Rebels won't be pleased!

[@randyjohnson3412]

@@ColHogan-zg2pc among other things

[@AnonTheNameless]

@@judgedredd3568 just a bit of Irish eccentric sarcasm.

[@CSelH]

I love how once he picked out the right one and confirmed it, he down the glass in one SMOOTH go. Really wish I could tell what he said when describing the taste, I think he said "cask-y" (right before "to my palate"), but I have no idea. Really wish I knew the difference in taste between a corked and capped Guinness now.

[@bradley2427]

Think he did say casky, like it tastes from a cast instead of being in a bottle

[@Pandangus]

He switches hands on the cut

[@michaellavery4899]

I'm Scottish, but have some Irish blood, and Guinness, flowing in my veins. I thought he said "gasky", but that makes no sense. After listening again, I have to agree it was "casky". Quite Interesting Fact. Irish bars use nitrogen to pump the Guinness to your glass and give it a creamy head, whereas mainland UK uses carbon dioxide. Or so I was raised to believe. Let's raise a pint to Mr Clinton.

[@Normandy-e8i]

@@Pandangus Yep, it wasn't one go.

[@dommgreen]

@@michaellavery4899 nah thats not true, all around the world guinness is poured with a nitrogen mix. I've seen it poured with CO2 accidentally and it doesn't even look like guinness anymore, the bubbles are too big.

[@Elcore]

Caps or cork? Personally I prefer Guinness Xtra Xtra Cold (TM) served with a little shamrock in the foam, which should occupy about half the Heineken glass it's served in. Also, stout is at its best when it's been flown or shipped around a bit to ~mature the flavours~, so ideally I'd be drinking it in Abu Dhabi or an American-themed bar in Dublin - but beggars can't be choosers.

[@indigohammer5732]

That looks great. A nice glass of Stout.

[@drnickriviera2841]

When I have a tin top I can feel it the next morning🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 best line ever... nothing to do with the fact that stout makes you pebble dash the toilet anyway

[@PAsst-ec3lb]

The Chap was right. No improvement, it was just cheaper. For Champagner it did not matter, for beer it did save some bucks.

[@perrya.3580]

Champagne has corks for a different reason- the same reason all truly high-quality wines have corks. Corks enable the flow of air in and out of the bottle, which is the only way a wine can age. I don't believe beer has aging potential, unlike fine champagne, but I could be wrong.

[@samaraisnt]

no i honestly think it was people think Irish couldn't keep clean n well, the FRENCH! And champagne no less?! Who would ever dare question them and their sophistication....When the french do it dirty it's called "rustic" but Irish aren't afforded that luxury.

[@OscarOSullivan]

@@perrya.3580Depends on the beer some beers like Lambics, Orval, Imperial stouts, Barley wines, Old ales, Trappist beers and Trappist style beers like dubbels,tripels and quads some of these beers can be kept for a few years in a cellar temperature dark place or some lambics two decades.

[@OscarOSullivan]

@@samaraisntThis was an Irish company deciding to be even more micromanaging

[@Discover-Ireland]

Those days when the craic was good in the pubs. A good man to know his stout. Iv got a half pint of stout corked in the bottle still meself.

[@peterdoyle1591]

That's some piece of hi-tech equipment that young fella is using to cork the bottles.

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

Apparently it is an art to use a hand press.

[@jammybizzle666]

@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 it's also a job

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

@@jammybizzle666 it sure is/was a job, I did it myself many, many years ago but it is not even a skill never mind an art.

[@uncleTedK]

For an Irishman.

[@alsw7792]

@Aaron Mings, bet my IQ is way bigger than yours.

[@declantwomey7525]

Brilliant thanks for sharing 👍🏻☘️☘️☘️

[@dustinbasurto7153]

We use oxygen fixing metal caps now. The corked stout won't last as long. Props to Mr. Clinton's expertise.

[@TheJollyLlama875]

Cork'll still last for decades with a perfect seal as long as it doesn't dry out. That being said I'm pretty sure a capped bottle dipped in wax would survive the apocalypse.

[@thomascarroll9556]

Caps don’t need to last long, for stout in Ireland!

[@OscarOSullivan]

Depends there are Lambics that are set to best before 2041 and are corked

[@johnnielson7676]

“The Journal of Brewing” or some-such publication needs to fund a double-blind placebo taste testing trial of corked vs capped Guinness. Might I volunteer as a participant?

[@slickrick320]

Ha ha. Too right

[@comment943]

I Love that this was big news and a big issue in the country back in the day If the world was only so simple nowadays love it 😂😂😂👍

[@oscarosullivan4513]

As was the Irish life furniture or guards vans for CIE from Britain

[@Aimia4]

It really is a big deal when you think about it. It's not just about the materials, it fundamentally had an impact on Ireland. We just don't think about this kind of thing being a big deal nowadays, but it is.

[@RFC-3514]

Corks? Bottles?! I demand my beer straight from the wooden fermenting bowl that an old woman spit into, like in the good old days!

[@GlenAndFriendsCooking]

The switch to crown caps was precipitated by the switch to Nitrogen and away from naturally carbonated or CO2 carbonation. Nitrogen couldn't be held in by the corks. Nitrogen is also the reason he could so easily tell the flavour difference - a 'real ale' naturally carbonated Guinness was a completely different animal to the Nitro Guinness that was being introduced at this time.

[@paulhorton5612]

Forgive my ignorance (can someone more knowledgeable confirm?) that the bottling was done at the pub and not the brewery? That Guinness was delivered to the pub in barrel, then bottled and cellar-aged for 14 days before serving? If so what traditions we've lost.

[@darachmilner561]

Yes. Guinness was shipped in barrel only. All bottling was done by the pub or some pubs would have the agency for Guinness and sell bottled stout to other pubs. Draught Guinness was amply the same stuff poured out of a barrel on the counter as far as I know.

[@paulhorton5612]

@@darachmilner561 That clears up a big mystery. Some time ago I read that Guinness 'Original' or 'XX' would be what you drank in a pub before nitro draught came along, but as 'Original' is only ever bottled that never made sense. The idea that pre nitro Guinness could be served from barrel or bottle clears that up. I prefer bottled over nitro any day, but would love to go back and try it as it was before the crown cap. Cheers!

[@darachmilner561]

Glad to help. Here is a video of them pouring draft stout from the barrel back in the 60s. From what I have read and been told some pubs had to tasks. A “high and aa low“ . The high would be fairly fresh and quite lively while the other one will be net get quite flat. The poor would be a combination of the two. Others seem to just have operated from one lively one and gone through the convoluted process of pouring from Jug to glass and back again until the correct carbonation was reached. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y56wg4B6pMyoaMU

[@TheNnooop]

@@darachmilner561 Here's the video of porter from the high low casks being poured kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGmogIt6fpeIgrM Aparently it lasted in Belfast until 1973 before Guiness got rid of it

[@paulhorton5612]

@@darachmilner561 This footage is (black) gold! With singing as well. I had heard that in 19th and earlier centuries pubs would combine running (fresh) and stock (old) beers - maybe into the 20th. We really have lost an entire beer culture, shame to say. Thanks again for your help.

[@havefunbesafe]

Nice! Looks like the cork soakers didn’t have a chance.

[@popeymadethis]

“Can you tell which is corked?” “By looking?”

[@Moodymongul]

The day, that the city of Cork lost its cultural relevancy On a side note: Imagine the furore if these patrons were shown a pint of Guinness White ;)

[@christophercoffey4231]

This is like watching an episode of the savage eye.

[@ajw9533]

Pat O'Hagan was Jonny Logan's dad, I believe and a star tenor himself. Am I right?

[@dazpatreg]

Jesus you're right, I had to Google that, explains his showmanship in front of the camera here

[@SFsailingbiking]

1st. Hi from Shanghai

[@max__pain]

Hi from Ireland. I was last in Shanghai in 2013. Too long ago

[@4002corbe]

Dia duit !

[@SFsailingbiking]

Shanghai is my hometown. I’ve been living in SF since ‘16 how time flies!

[@max__pain]

@@SFsailingbiking San Francisco?

[@SFsailingbiking]

Duh

[@TheChupacabra]

All this talk about us Irish folks being hobbits. Clearly from that man’s ears, we are elves.

[@bigtoelittlefinger6133]

Heehe class

[@jammyscouser2583]

I thought us kiwis are the Hobbits now. Then again, we do come from the same stock

[@benji.B-side]

Bing back the cork!

[@beer1for2break3fast4]

Bing?

[@melbeeswax6087]

Fair play to that fella!

[@niallyshere]

serious pallet 😂

[@killmimes]

Those ears received radio free Europe

[@KingTrouser]

I wonder if that pub is still about

[@thegingerpowerranger]

Imagine telling these guys that one day they would be pouring only from a tap.

[@colinmurphy2214]

Bottled Guinness is dreadfully bubbly nowadays I find. The cans with their widgets are nice though

[@OscarOSullivan]

@@colinmurphy2214FES is a lot less carbonated

[@MarkTheTreeManVann]

That man would take off like a kite in a strong wind...

[@albertbatfinder5240]

There’s conservatism, there’s arch conservatism, and there’s messing with a fella’s drink.

[@leftyspade]

52 years later, cork rocks and rolls-

[@787maggie]

It that Johnny Logan's father?

[@jamesmartin5966]

Yes it sure is patsy o Hagan .He was a good singer in his own right.

[@WintersWar]

I was searching for pat o hagan's pub, nothing. you'd think there'd be some reference to it.

[@hrbbdhdbdn2993]

Of course I feel strongly about the question of Cox

[@puckluck2357]

I thought Mr Clinton was going to chug them all! Now I want a beer with a corked bottle.

[@rodjones117]

He did, after filming finished. Why would you waste it?

[@radwizard]

2022 they still corking in wine.

[@cgavin1]

That gentleman's ears must be in the Guinness Book of Records.

[@jamesbradshaw3389]

I've been drinking stout, Nadia 19 years Aaliyah 5 and Porter since I was one half years old. I lived with my Grandmother and Uncil for several years and I had forgotten that the bottles were corked, I also remember that as a very young child, I would wait until my uncle came home from work to open more bottles so I could my drink,, when he would remember he would uncork 3 tall bottles for me before he went to work. It was said in those days that Guness was good for you as it contained iron and was given to ill people hospitals

[@the51project]

This was recorded in County Cork - which is why they hate caps.

[@RaptorJesus.]

3:09 "just by lookin at em?" XD

[@opinionday0079]

How did we adapt to such brutal changes????

[@johncambridge5221]

A time when people were just people

[@skydiver2980]

Can we have a same comparison on coke addicts is they preferred a gram of coke in a plastic seal wrap or in a folded paper?

[@WintersWar]

3:03 the most important man in the drinking world at this moment in time.

[@txnycali]

Is this what they were referring to as Bloody Sunday??

[@peetsnort]

Excellent comparison for champagne

[@mike8631]

Bit of trivia for you all, the publican interviewed is the father of Johnny Logan

[@tl3139]

After the second pint I dare anyone to tell the difference between a cork or a cap.

[@riobabic8960]

In the old old days they didn’t cap or cork the bottles in Ireland they just went straight to drinking it !

[@dwaynesbadchemicals]

Was filmed in County Cork?

[@richiehoyt8487]

I presume you're joking but shall take the question at face value - Co. Louth.

[@accidentalfire1727]

I'm not surprised. Cork must let some pressure out.

[@pascalrigollet9028]

It must have been a very very very loooooong night in that pub, but the question had to be settled once and for all. Did everyone make it home to rest after these very long debates and tasting sessions when the sun rose again the following morning?

[@johnkelly3549]

I love the cyncacism in the reporter's voice when he goes after Guinness, 'they say it's "unhygienic" and they want their products "standardised"',

[@fizmath935]

Guinness is Protestant. Enough said.

[@johnkelly3549]

@@fizmath935 So were Beckett, Sam Maguire and Yeats. What's your point?

[@gerardodwyer5908]

Cork man drowns in a pint of stout. Must be Murphy's stout.

[@CritThink1]

I tried to order a Guinness in Cork, and was kindly corrected about the only stout in town.

[@Dreyno]

@@CritThink1 Which was?

[@szymongorczynski7621]

@@Dreyno Murphys utter shite

[@CathalMalone]

@@szymongorczynski7621 Beamish, on the other hand...

[@MorningtonCrescent]

Or Beamish. Sadly haven't seen that for donkeys here in the UK.

[@ZarathustraMG42-qo7oj]

There was nothing better than a wee dumpy. Don't drink anymore and don't even know if those are a thing anymore. Ah the good oul days.

[@sbm5379]

"its my stomach" hahaha

[@peter3664]

You could pass that publican as Brendan Gleeson's father and nobody would question you

[@Kottesque]

Hygiene, me arse...it was down to cost! Valid point about Champagne bottles.

[@RichardT2112]

3:53 like a bloody boss!

[@lynnpehrson8826]

Anyone know of any brewers that use corks

[@c1v1lwar24]

That fella probably dropped dead when he heard that cans were coming out.

[@OldSethOnetooth]

Down with this sort of thing.

[@Fyodorist]

Beamish Good Murphys Good

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

Don't forget that other industry of workers who specialised in moistening the cork : The cork soakers

[@marccarter1350]

WAS THIS FILMED IN CORK?

[@matthewpayne2035]

Does anyone know how the petition went?

[@ollie6149]

You're all reading the comments in an Irish accent

[@Bhatt_Hole]

Gotta say, that corking process did indeed look a bit gamey.

[@markobighead3173]

Looked fine to me. People have become far too soft.

[@tonyclifton265]

i didnt know there ever was such a debate. wonder what they'd think of a can with a "widget"

[@joepineapples9332]

Cos he's a legend

[@jjjjjjjjjz100]

Presenter looks like King Krule lol

[@EverGreen1888]

'Pat' is a good actor! RTE were probably told to feck off and threw that in Brutal script too LOL

[@JHashcroft]

They made a good point though; even today wine and especially champagne comes in corked bottles, why is corked stout unacceptably unhygienic?

[@iffracem]

I think you'll find most wines are now sealed with a screw cap. Possibly not for "hygiene" but for economy. Corks are expensive in comparison and relatively harder to procure, much easier to seal a bottle with a screw cap in a production line. Plus spoilage is far less in screw caps, I've had a fair few "corked" bottles of wine, never had a "capped" bottle though. Probably purely a profit/automation and economy of scale decision. True Champaign producers may stick to corks as it's part of the story, the mystique of the product. Using cork for them may actually create more profit, or at least ensure longevity of the "brand" Here in Australia, I only partake of Guinness in a can as the bottled version tastes no where near as good. I believe the bottled version is produced, or at least bottled, locally and is no where near as good as the imported can with it's "widget" that ensures that marvelous head

[@TheJollyLlama875]

Wine isn't corked in the back room of the pub, and I bet cheapskate pub owners were reusing corks too

[@pheakay]

@@iffracem The bottles of Guinness are "Guinness stout" were as the tins with the widget is the draught version, so they are both different products. The draught is superior in everyway, the nitrogen give you an amazing creamy texture.

[@greenbudpacker8893]

@@iffracem you didn't mention hygiene once though

[@OscarOSullivan]

My Great Grandfather if he wasn’t careful along with colleagues in summer could have a wasp become trapped in a bottle if Guinness

[@killan001]

Cheers, big ears!

[@michaeloruaidh3605]

Brilliant

[@cahaldoherty2444]

Cork is expensive Guinness did shwindle the people. Im off to find a corked stout to try, this has got me thinkin

[@OscarOSullivan]

You could try and find a nice imperial stout with cork

[@arejaycee5484]

Tins are the worst Bottled every time

[@jonimaricruz1692]

Can you tell the difference? Not after the first 5 or 6.

[@flatmoon6359]

Did everyone wear a tie 50 years ago.

[@Gizmomadug]

If they were going to be on telly.

[@user-vg5rv5xf4u]

Everyone of them

[@freemindthinkerezrapound5071]

Guinness is the champagne of the gods

[@keithklassen5320]

The gods must be crazy.

[@Jonqen]

Cork seems like such a inconvenience

[@jamgormit7589]

Mr.Clinton is the og Guinness Guru

[@schpeidermann]

People always have a problem with sentimental change.

[@barnabyaprobert5159]

The reporter's EARS though! Wow! He's lucky that it was fashionable to have longer hair!

[@graveyardrumblers]

This channel is great 😆

[@ineffablemars]

LEGEND

[@MrRichiekaye]

Who was the announcer?

[@MsTigereye]

Johnny Logan's Dad behind the bar.

[@beer1for2break3fast4]

It's just human nature to resist change.