Consciousness cannot be cut: Hiott Research Diary six, pre & post conversation with Bernardo Kastrup

[@waymaking23]

diary ramblings from around the time of the podcast episode with Bernardo kzbin.info/www/bejne/ganCg2Ovn9N4pKcsi=KRh3n2lwpuFYbr9h and i also reference the podcasts i've done with Mark Solms here kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHaknWSDadOHp6ssi=RsXD2_SVfhSqLauF the subtitles on this research diary video are all messed up, sorry for that--they were auto-generated

[@ecomojo]

have to come back and rewatch

[@waymaking23]

Thanks

[@steveschertzer5088]

This is why I admire you, Andrea. You are so smart and intelligent. You also seem to be struggling with this. Trying to understand life like the rest of us. That is normal, whatever normal is. 🤔. Me? I’m old and losing brain cells. 😁. I will have to listen again. In the meantime, I will listen and learn from you. I would also like to take this time to wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

[@waymaking23]

thank you @steveschertzer5088 very sweet & MERRY CHRISTMAS and Happy New Year with lots of goodness

[@zetristan4525]

Andrea, could you put out audio-only without subtitles? (them calling one of our favorite people 'Baron Bernardo', and later infamously seductive snake oil entertainer 'Mark's homes' etc) 🤪 The deep question here is whether all the things that are currently called "unexperiencing" are experiencing or not. If we don't have metaconscious reports to work with, then we need an electromagnetic signature. An analogy could be: If we want to know the elements present in stars in distant galaxies, we'd use spectral lines measured.🤗

[@waymaking23]

Sure @zetristan4525 I'm happy to do that for the research ramblings as well, might take me a little time and i have a few deadlines for other work at the moment, but i will do it...the auto-generated subtitles are pretty funny at times :)

[@mmnuances]

If human attention is the focal point for an intense, totally dynamic, mobile concentration of consciousness, conscious of itself, then it would be interesting to have a skill in modulating attention such that it does not lose its fluidity by being imprisoned by the claims of its necessary affordances or "priors". This attention would have access to unimaginable, vast, realms of experience. So then the question arises: Is there a "Way" or exploration worth doing in the vastness; or do you float along in the void, just trying to survive a while longer, enjoying whatever arises?

[@waymaking23]

Thanks for this @mmnuances Just spontaneously after reading it, here’s what comes to mind…Perhaps having access to vast realms of experience does not mean one can access it all at once but rather that the way (which is the embodiment) ‘lives in to’ the potential as it builds capacity to both handle the (as of yet) unimaginable and to be able to thus imagine it. In that sense if one can float along, one need not try to survive but rather one IS surviving…and hopefully, if the situation affords it, one flows as presence. According to the affordances of the encounter, however, this could come with all different degrees of challenge though…we need one another’s help…

[@mmnuances]

@@waymaking23 Thank you for these insights. They have been helpful...

[@waymaking23]

@@mmnuances thank you for sharing your thoughts here as well, warmest wishes

[@asdf8asdf8asdf8asdf]

Do you mean that my Markov blankets are wrapped in Markov blankets!?!

[@waymaking23]

haha @asdf8asdf8asdf8asdf yes indeed and funny you mention it because Karl Friston (the Markov man himself) and I discuss this a bit in a conversation that (i think) posted just after your comment 😃

[@infiniteworfare5089]

consciousness most likely exists as a cell, atom, or electron in the brain in the brain

[@waymaking23]

wow! just one cell or electron or atom? that is then a very special little cell

[@infiniteworfare5089]

after you die, cells also slowly die with time in the brain and these atoms seperate. i cant tell if consciousness exists as an exact atomic arrangement within a cell or simply as an atom/electron. this makes me think reincarnation is true and happens after billions of years

[@harrywiklund8716]

You have to knew that: Science has missed that the little brain is a 3D scanner. The retina is there to chose what to scan. The little brain scans X Y and Z when focusing on a point. From the yellow spot come the colors R G B to eatch point. This immediately becomes a mockup that we update when refocusing. ALL our minds is scanned in 3D (X Y Z). This becomes our consciousness, Thanks to dark energy. N B No knowledge is coming from the retina. The brain use only koordinates in 3D. We live in a 3D mockup of an 3D world, even words are an mockup. only the focusing point is reality. The brain creates human intelligens (HI), not AI The little brain is also an copier

[@waymaking23]

Thanks for this. Not sure what you mean by the little brain.