Contempt & Deception | Therapist Breaks Down Nick & Hannah from Love is Blind 7

[@ntotheshin3732]

I didn't love Nick but he definitely didn't deserve to be treated so badly. It seemed like Hannah's sole purpose the second half of the show was to embarrass him any chance she got. Her comments about his sexual inexperience for example were so disrespectful, given that he specifically asked not to talk about that with mics on.

[@islabee94]

That part really bothered me. She could have easily voiced those concerns off camera or told him directly. She did it whilst she knew she was being filmed in order to humiliate and further punish him. I dont care how goofy or how much of a mommas boy Nick is, he did not deserve her cruelty and emotional abuse.

[@blueblack3591]

Right? So disrespectful

[@jclyntoledo]

Thank you! That's why I couldn't feel any empathy for her when she said that he made a grenade comment about it once to the boys after the reveal. I'm not sure if that was off camera but Nick definitely tried in the relationship. From the scenes we saw, he always gave her words of affirmations and very complimentary whenever someone asked about her. I fully feel he did exactly what he said which was love her no matter how she looked.

[@jclyntoledo]

​@@islabee94He wasn't even that much of a momma's boy though bc if he was, his mom would have been over all the time cleaning and cooking for them 😂😂. That or his mom would be more protective and always stealing him away. His mom was fully open to letting Nick move out and grow as a person.

[@clara-nt9rx]

Or reading his journal and talking about it on tv? She's wierd.

[@tshiamogeneke4931]

I think we don’t talk enough about the seriousness of Hannah reading Nick’s journal and outing the details online and on tv just so that she can stop looking like the bad guy. She is extremely troubled.

[@maggieunderhill]

Agreed!

[@jennifers1040]

Thank you! My sister's ex-boyfriend did this to her, and it was absolutely horrible. He used her journal entries against her towards the end of their relationship.

[@Daniela-Christianson]

It backfired!

[@debbieakadely1212]

she was determined to make him look like the villian she had been righfully labeled as by everyone and it didnt work,. yes nick had his issues, but they can never make me like u hannah

[@lindsayhardaway4899]

Yes!!! When she confessed that at the reunion and nobody really responded to it I was like… am I hearing this wrong or something? An INSANE thing to just admit to (and do at all) on tv.

[@jessicanoelle2012jp]

I didn't like how she casually mentioned that her friends suggested to go through nicks stuff. THATS immature. Idc if he wrote he wanted to be famous (who doesn't? She quit her job!) But to hyperfocus on that during the reunion was odd. Hannah needed to be taught a lesson that no matter the context, she invaded nicks privacy. Period.

[@elenakalliste]

And she did it so many times!!! He asked her not to talk about sex on camera, she did multiple times. She violated any boundary of his that she could have. And she totally swindled his parents by behaving like a totally different person for one evening, so they would never believe how nasty she was to him every other day.

[@jessicanoelle2012jp]

@elenakalliste i think THAT was the Hannah nick fell in love with. And to question "why u still with her?!" Can be what we, as 3rd party people do, and see with victims of ab*se.

[@blueblack3591]

Right? She took no accountability

[@TheOtherBoobJustDropped]

@@jessicanoelle2012jpI agree. I remember really liking Hannah in the pods - she was funny and caring and open. I almost didn’t recognize her in the real world, and whether that was due to editing or her acting differently in real life, I think it’s clear to see there are different versions of Hannah, and Nick fell in love with one version.

[@jclyntoledo]

​@@elenakallisteThat's exactly what I was thinking when Hannah was having that conversation with Ashley. Nick specifically said don't talk about our sex life in camera and she goes around saying he's so uncomfortable with sex so we can't talk about it and also he's terrible and a selfish lover 😂😭. I was waiting for Nick to bring that up in the reunion.

[@GG-kn2se]

Your non-judgemental POV is always invaluable and I appreciate you giving your time to make these videos.

[@StephAnya]

I appreciate you for watching ♥️

[@blueblack3591]

Yes i feel the same

[@powerfulmanifestormentors]

Yes some other family therapist reviewing shows on you tube are super judgmental scary even with them bieng a professional

[@martinarychtarova5339]

Omg yes she’s so kind and putting things so nicely, (Which is hard with this cast) she must be a great therapist. ❤

[@Rooneesharma]

Came here to say exactly this. While the whole internet is simplifying Hannah’s behaviour by calling it emotional abuse, thank you for your nuanced insights into her behaviour. ❤

[@myopenpassport8239]

He is a real estate agent. That is his brand. I felt like it was clear. But I do marketing so maybe it was more obvious to me. As real estate agents, people decide to go with them based on their branding/personality. Hint: they have their faces everywhere!

[@346ego]

Yeah it was obvious to me as well

[@liveyourlifefree]

Exactly what I thought

[@stma05]

I thought it was clear as well. As well, there are certain connotations with certain jobs, that having your sex life aired out there can be more harmful than other jobs. I'm a massage therapist, so having my sex life aired out on TV would absolutely harm my brand and potentially put me in a dangerous position.

[@jclyntoledo]

Exactly! I figured he meant, I don't want gossip or comments about my sex life to impact my job/career life

[@kiransaroya3094]

Exactly I understood right away and idk why it was spun so badly

[@shelbytrue4848]

Why is anyone allowing her to bully him with his personal journal entry that she found by snooping and reading his personal journal? It’s insane to me no one stopped her right there.

[@vikkiTV212]

She was a bully and completely out of control.

[@sethnoland9289]

I like shows like this but I find it revolting when everyone starts acting like they are there for the right reasons and xyz person isn’t. It’s so self righteous. Also my brain doesn’t understand why everyone wouldn’t just be honest.

[@Lawlzinator]

Because this show enables emotional and psychological abuse of male contestants. If the roles were reversed, they’d tear up the male for bullying females

[@jennifers1040]

I'm not one of those people, I'm a girls girl, but I feel like on shows like this they always make men the villains and women the victims when it's clearly the other way around.

[@maggieunderhill]

@@shelbytrue4848 right? If I was one of those people sitting there on the couch I would have spoke up and been like “why are you reading his personals and invading his privacy?” I’m sure it would have made for a good conversation. Someone needed to call her out in that moment of the reunion

[@calvinwilson3617]

5:30 Something you missed mentioning is that Hannah broke up with nick before she knew that Leo and Brittney were getting close. Once she overheard that she went and called nick back in. I believe because she just wanted to be on the show, regardless of who that might be. And once she picked nick she couldnt backtrack to leo

[@islabee94]

This! No one is mentioning this. She dumped Nick when the other women werent impressed, and picked him back up when she realised her competition for Leo was so strong. She's wildly shallow and she never loved either of them

[@lara1208-b1p]

I think she mentioned it in the other video

[@smartmarketing173]

If it had been someone else competing for Leo, maybe not, but the fact it was Brittany, someone so objectively more attractive/“hotter” than Hannah really switched up the game.

[@cassyvjlee5925]

@@islabee94yep, throwing that he wants fame into the reunion as he was defending her saying the internet was being too harsh was infuriating. She made every move she could starting with quitting her job to make sure she stay on the show as long as she could and get her screen time. She needed to make it to mexico.

[@BeholdenProductions]

Yes!! After she realized Brittany was also competing for Leo, picking Nick ensured she would move forward as she was his only connection left. All things being equal, whether she felt insecure competing with Brittany or not, picking Nick was a surer bet than a potentially 50/50 shot with Leo. And she quit her job for this, so raiding the stakes like that kind of necessitates making it on the cast and getting to Mexico and beyond, because if you don’t get on the show and you gave up work for it that sucks even more than just going home…

[@sugarwaters]

I appreciate your unbiased POV but I thought you would address Hannahs verbal contempt more. I consider the way she spoke to be verbal abuse

[@calvinwilson3617]

Hannah got off way too easy

[@cjwilliamsvi]

Agreed.

[@islabee94]

I agree. She was emotionally abusive, she was literally using that man as a punching bag

[@TowannaLoweHarris]

I agree, her behavior was absolutely abusive.

[@sonorayun]

I agree! Love and find insight in many prior vids, but this one felt off.

[@veganforthem76]

Hannah was really mean, and her false recolection of the “duck incident” was a real red flag for me.

[@realSimoneCherie]

oh in the midst of him literally defending her and saying the internet had been too cruel she proceeds to throw him under the bus with a "precisely and you're not innocent because...."

[@MP-qb6lv]

Same here! I was like she is definitely a karen😢

[@paulagutierrez192]

I think there are some things that are being glossed over that bring more gravity to Hannah's action towards Nick. For example, when she is communicating to the other girls about the duck situation, her narration of the events it's very far away of the actual event, adding an edge of malice that wasn't even there in reality. She is very comfortable manipulating her words in a way that earns her simpathy from others and I think it was a miss not mentioning that. Edit: now having finished the video, I can just reiterate this point. A lot of Hannah's extremely demeaning comments are not really called out, and it kinda removes the seriousness of the situation. Personally, sometimes I had to stop the episode because it was really disgusting and unbelievable to me someone could talk to another person like that.

[@catnip3]

I agree! Also the fact that she talked about their sex life on camera, then at the reunion talking about going through his notebook with her friends etc.. I saw so many signs of abuse and I feel like it would be helpful that there was more shared about that.

[@paulagutierrez192]

@catnip3 absolutely agree with you. And the fact that his diary entry was brought up but not that Hannah went through his things and decided to air it something private to the world is concerning to me.

[@AnimalsDressedasHumans]

@@paulagutierrez192not to mention the DELUSION that she thought this would go over well. She quit her job to be here, so i don’t wanna hear about someone being there for the wrong reasons & ulterior motives. It’s an invasion of privacy and she was again caught exaggerating (he said “one of the most famous” - you can be famous from the show for the right reasons a la Lauren & Cameron). And it comes off like she’s desperate for a win, but the notebook doesn’t justify the way she spoke to him. Take the L. Sometimes it pays to just admit wrongdoing and move on, but she’s showing more immaturity

[@emilyp9869]

the emotional abuse was crazy and i’m surprised it was glossed over by this therapist. not so much surprised that the hosts ignored it because we’ve seen them ignore women’s emotional abuse multiple times before, which i really think is a flaw of the show. i don’t think i’ll watch another season because it’s really appalling to witness, and even more so to witness it not being addressed.

[@emilyp9869]

@@AnimalsDressedasHumansshe smiles out to the audience seconds after bringing up what she read in his private journal after breaking up!! i kept noticing her weird smiles after her mean moments during the show, for example when they broke up after she drug out how he’s still displaying the same actions she hates, she gets up to hug him and is smiling. what note was there to smile about? other than she got her big 15 minutes in trying to paint him to be a villain.

[@JacksonScully]

Hannah 100% left that note for Nick to find, it's gaslighting 101, she wanted to control him and she constantly belittled him from then on, she is extremely toxic and manipulative.

[@rhsmx9655]

Ok toxic yes, but manipulative? How?

[@regularity2556]

​@@rhsmx9655 as if you don't know

[@callie6132]

@@rhsmx9655she delighted in manipulating Nick’s feelings, deliberately undermining his confidence, and she bragged that Nick was afraid of her. She manipulated her friends by embellishing the story about the duck incident, portraying the other woman as malicious and saying that she called Hannah “a jealous little b*****” when that was clearly not what the lady said.

[@jennifers1040]

@@rhsmx9655 she's one of the most clearly manipulative people on the show.

[@YayforFun09]

That's not gaslighting.

[@adeliriousalpaca]

my interpretation of the pasta incident was that nick was deeply afraid of doing it wrong and getting yelled at for being incompetent. when you're in that kind of relationship where you're walking on eggshells all the time, it can feel like you do even very simple things the wrong way, so maybe nick felt like he had to double and triple check.

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

definitely a valid perspective, i just saw it as weaponized incompetence because many people use that technique to make their partner feel like they need to do more labour

[@SandySanderson_95]

Sometimes I double check because I’m insecure, like I’ll randomly ask my husband “do you think this is enough water” even though I know I just want the reassurance. But it’s dumb and we laugh about it

[@oodatooitis6714]

This makes a lot of sense. At this point, there had been days shown of Hannah picking him apart for almost everything. I keep reading comments about his displays of weaponized incompetence. I don't buy it. Is he childish at times? Yes. But I can't find an instance yet of him not willing to do something by playing dumb. And I was married to someone who constantly did this very thing to me for almost a decade.

[@cassyvjlee5925]

Yes, he even said so. He said I don’t want to do it wrong and upset you. It’s crazy to me that people are bypassing that to say he can’t boil water. I admit I laughed when he looked for pasta in the fridge but the rest of it is clear anxiety that he even varbalised

[@slixameth]

Did he not ask if pasta was in the fridge? That’s obscene. Nobody wants to parent an adult

[@toonieblue]

off topic but your whole look in this video is so gorgeous the silver jewelery, pink sweater and makeup suit you sooo much 😭🤍

[@StephAnya]

So sweet! Thank you ♥️

[@SabrinaHBah]

Agree you look beautiful Steph!

[@loudmouthwife]

I was about to comment the same thing, you look especially beautiful in this one, though you’re always very very pretty!

[@pinkclouds811]

I was thinking the samee 😍😍😍

[@wisehead1830]

Yea definitely ❤

[@hellopeople6138]

I just hated how everyone in the reunion treated the situation. Hannah downplayed her actions so much and just said she was bitchy. No girl, you were emotionally abusive. And then everyone moved on like thats a good enough explaination. Then everyone dog piles Nick for being mean behind her back. Yes, thats horrible. But honestly, being straight up emotionally abusive and cruel to someone's face is much worse than being mean about them to other people. She did it do put him down and lower his self worth. Everyone seemed so much more upset at Nick than her and it really upset me. I genuinly almost cried once durring it because how uncomfortable it made me. I dont like what Nick did, but why was no one mad at how cruel Hannah was? Why was it all on Nick? It was just upsetting. Im always too scared to comment on this because I dont want to give mysogonists any ideas but truthfully, I've noticed a pattern where the hosts/ people in the reunion seem to almost always take the woman's side, or at least put a ton on the blame on the men especially. That last shot of Nick where they were trying to act like everything was fine at the end of the day, and he looks at them and said it was okay... that was so usad. His eyes were so red and it really looked like he was trying to not cry. Anyways, this reunion kind of turned me off from the show.

[@DannyDyersChocolateHomunculi]

Agreed! I usually love watching the reunion shows...This seasons reunion had extremely poor format though, and was horribly directed. It's as if they needed all the drama to cover up the fact that only had 2 couples make it together(?) I also wonder why they have PAST Love Is Blind couples showing up and commenting about current season relationships at all.. Is that some type a flex? Not that the men were innocent by any means, but the show let the women gang up on, talk over, be disrespectful to and be dismissive of all the men without a time limit, all while ignoring the deplorable behavior of the women and some of their families...made it a total $hit show to watch. 😭

[@jclyntoledo]

Was he actually mean though? Or did he literally make one comment after the reveal that she blew up and wouldn't let go?... I mean she had a distorted view on the duck incident so I wouldn't trust her as a narrator.

[@LauraAnca]

@@jclyntoledo I also think about the fact that he might considered some of the other cast member friends and everyone is entitled to share intimate thoughts with a trusted friend about their partner or the experience in general. I also think, why would the “friend” share that forward? That’s just gossiping. When a close friend told me about the problems in her marriage, I did not go around telling others about the details. And I certainly wouldn’t tell the friend’s spouse the things my friend said in that moment. They are working on things now, and even if they didn’t, I would never divulge what my friend shared. We all need safe outlets to share our thoughts…

[@realSimoneCherie]

oh they completely let her off the hook - she wasn't held accountable for anything - she came out apologizing, called her herself a B and went unchecked

[@fionagallagherapologist5968]

idk if it's gender specific but they definitely downplay many worrying instances (like colleen and her weird aggressive husband)

[@pushinguproses]

I feel like this is a perfect case of the punishment not fitting the crime. It might be frustrating that Nick isn’t as self sufficient, I get that, but her bullying reaction, which goes into abuse to me, doesn’t make any sense. That’s the opposite of being emotionally mature, which she claims to be. I can chalk some of it up to her being young and maybe inexperienced overall with long term relationships, but it’s still really sad to watch. Nick definitely has shortcomings, but he didn’t project those things onto Hannah in a cruel way the way she did. I actually hope she gets some help or talks to someone, because “being direct” is not the same as being cruel, or “being a b*tch*”, as she laughed it off later.

[@TJ_Kirkland.]

One thing you really glossed over was that Hannah didn’t “go through his journal” she said after they broke up her AND her friends when through his personal things and his journal was one of those things. Totally not okay. I’m surprised you didn’t include this fact, as it’s basically her invading his privacy. He didn’t just “leave it out” as she tried to portray.

[@calvinwilson3617]

Also she posted it to social media. Imagine a guy taking a picture of a girls journal page and posting it online

[@amaniwatson5453]

@@calvinwilson3617like that is so disrespectful

[@TJ_Kirkland.]

@@calvinwilson3617not just that, the LIB Netflix instagram account also posted it.

[@Isabel_fit]

@@calvinwilson3617omg she posted it?!?! Crazy. Seems like she really wants to be famous and wanted to project that onto nick. Everyone who goes onto reality tv wants to be famous

[@realSimoneCherie]

The timing of Nick telling the audience that Hanna had received too much hate online, and he did not think she was a bad person, and her then picking his whole soul up and throwing it under the bus! ....she could not be less self-aware… Making other people look bad, does not make you look good!!!

[@michellealvarez8160]

Let’s just call it what it is- Hannah is a bully, mentally, emotionally and verbally abusive. Period! Nick is not perfect but nothing anyone has said at this point will make me feel bad for Hannah. Hannah is immature. She may know how to cook, be financially stable and thinks that she’s better than.

[@Kikeo1984]

Nick was not perfect by a long shot but Hannah was extremely mean to him. She had valid concerns but the way she was always putting him down and belittling him almost invalidated the concerns she had. I couldn’t sympathize with anything she had an issue with because of how she was treating him.

[@nikiii1835]

I agreed! I feel like for the longest time she was bullying and shaming for almost everything.

[@melissaherrera940]

Nick is not perfect but he doesn’t have to be. Hannah’s behavior was bad all on its own. A lot of Nick’s problems could honestly be grown out of by choosing to live alone. Learning to not put people down takes a lot more work than figuring out how to cook or start saving for retirement.

[@Shlee74853]

Then on the reunion she kept saying "Im just direct" ... like no girl, you're a bully.

[@blueshoes915]

She’s abusive.

[@Ramblinrabbit24]

I hate it when people say things like that when it’s obviously a flaw. “That’s just my personality. Get over it” like it could be a part of a personality but it’s wrong. Have the self reflectiveness or personal qualities to see that it’s bad and change it.

[@asantewaakissi2650]

Exactly!!! And what pissed me off the more was that Marrissa. I was feeling bad for her breakup until she came into the Nick matter! All the girls and the audience were all -heheheheheing and haahahahaing at Hannah is a bi_tch sometimes. They were all laughing. But when they claimed he said she was 5/10 then they were all so angry and rolling their eyes. And that other girl from the last season who was saying she was proud of Hanna I was so anno_yed.

[@carbon.life.4m]

My s.o. and I like to discuss our thoughts on the communication and relationship dynamics in LIB. I got him into your channel and we've grown as a couple thanks to your content ❤I think it's easy to forget that people are complicated and that reality tv is highly edited. I appreciate how thorough, thoughtful, and respectful you are with your analysis and discussion of the participants 🙏

[@StephAnya]

Thank you so much ♥️

[@MSmith-qg1oh]

Nick didn’t “passively aggressively” mention wanting closure. Hannah asked him first. That conversation was initiated by her. I think she already knew about Katie. To feel any type of way after the Leo debacle is wild. But, this woman’s behavior is something that should be studied because I’ve never seen anything like it. Not in my 20s, 30s or 40s. Her age is no excuse. I have no doubt in my mind she will be just as bad 20 years from now. Her friends (and now Marissa) validating her behavior is the worst thing that can happen to her.

[@Theblondebass1]

I was disappointed that Marissa fed into it

[@fay10999]

I’m sick of women commentators not calling out Hannah’s abusive behaviors, but will call out a man who has done far less than her. This is hypocrisy. Hannah is 1. Manipulative 2. Verbally abusive 3. Goes around talking badly about him and hopes he doesn’t have anyone in his corner 4. Jealous 5. Vindictive 6. Emotionally abusive 7. Won’t take accountability or inability to apologize 8. Twists reality 9. Gaslights 10. Acts nice and loving in front of others 11. She enjoys his pain and humiliation especially around others ie reunion, with her brother or TikTok. 12. Crosses boundaries 13. Blames the victim for the abuse The only thing Hannah didn’t do was physically abuse nick. Whether you’re Male or female these are clear indicators of abuse and it’s not okay for your partner to behave like that. Get help!

[@ghblackstars]

Thank you...well said!

[@islandQueen246]

Whew! You said that!

[@lubietruskawki1668]

I like dr Cherie Types analysis and she said these things so nice exeption and very in point analysis

[@simoly7893]

Thank you!!!

[@sayra5496]

Agreed! Your point 10 was very noticeable when Hannah met Nick's parents, bearing gifts and acting like the nicest, most agreeable person in the world. She was overcompensating for treating Nick like crap.

[@seraphina2293]

Hannah accused Nick about wanting to become famous off the show; after having quit her job at the time to be on the show. AND THE REST OF THEM FELL FOR IT.

[@liabstrait8306]

She acc has an agent now and is featured on perfect match next season apparently

[@LittleWolfie17]

I strongly believe that Hanna was criticized a great deal by her parents while growing up, especially her mother. This has probably led her to have very high standards for herself and others. Part of her believes that high expectations and constant feedback are the primary way to show love and affection. Ultimately, she's very insecure and has a lot of work to do.

[@jesscook]

That could be true. But I find it interesting that her mom came off as very chill and lackadaisical. Doesn't mean that's how she is off camera though. Could have been trying to hide that side of herself

[@katthecat6657]

I thought her mother did not come across as warm and loving but had a cold, detached edge to her. She was more dominant than her father (they both spoke about that) and seemed to be kind of emotionally detached from Hannah. She seemed embarrassed by Hannah's responses and seemed a bit (not a lot) contemptuous about it. It's also possible that Hannah was influenced by her peers in school and became one of the mean girls to survive socially and gain acceptance from peers.

[@jesscook]

@@katthecat6657 I watched the scenes back earlier and I can totally see that

[@jackeeB]

Nick has his faults. He's too passive and needs to mature and set boundaries with his partner. However, Hannah is a nightmare. She thinks too highly of herself while having low self-esteem. She can't accept her own faults yet loves pointing out other people's shortcomings. Just insufferable 😡

[@rebeccag8589]

To those saying she didn't address the emotional abuse from Hannah, Steph Anya did say that Hannah was showing contempt. In couples therapy, contempt is a specific clinical term, the most dangerous behavioral trait in terms of endangering a relationship, and it is defined as emotional abuse. Steph Anya could have elaborated on that more because before couples therapy, I wouldn't have known that!

[@amaniwatson5453]

i kind of wanted her to break it down though ! like that she went through his personal things posted it on social media that is evil to me nd as far as his comment not saying it was right but she did the same thing the ppl he talked to just wasn’t trust worthy enough! The guys went back to their partners talking about what he said nobody did that to hannah so it makes him look bad but they both kind of suck lol

[@rebeccag8589]

@@amaniwatson5453 I definitely agree it could have been broken down a lot more. And they both have a lot of growing and work to do, agreed there too. Neither was at all ready for marriage or even a serious relationship.

[@amaniwatson5453]

@ THAT PART! definitely wasn’t ready!

[@tiahaha6645]

I was like… did yall watch the same video 🤣 I forget there’s people who haven’t had any employment or educational experience with therapy watching these videos too sometimes.

[@shescalledirina]

Do you mean contempt is an example of emotional abuse? I follow quite a few family therapists and while I heard them mentioning contempt often, none of them had actually put that equal sign. Maybe it's a KZbin thing so they don't get censored but don't admonish people for not putting that equal sign when the professionals themselves don't mention it.

[@kiarahill5723]

Something I noticed early on was how much Hannah values other ppl’s opinion to help her make a decision about something. When you mentioned the fact that she kept expecting her family to grill Nick, I think she wanted them to validate her doubts she had him. She mentions when she breaks up with Nick how her friends were the one who said it wasn’t right for her and that was what she needed to end things. This also was the case when she first broke it off with Nick in the pods because she listened to the other girls about him.

[@antoniao7439]

Yeah that’s what I got from it too

[@patriot-hj5vx]

I'm ok with nick seeking fame and being underwhelmed by hannah. He showed a lot of patience while being publicly humiliated by her. She did so much wrong i don't even care what he did or said.

[@desiraesherwood]

The fame comment could’ve been taken out of context too, like he said. He wasn’t sure what to write and just wrote a little goofy thing about getting famous. It would be a different story if he was doing crazy stuff and acting a fool on camera. He was pretty normal on the show which tells me he wasn’t trying that hard to get famous. I’m sure he was excited to be talked about to some extent, but “most famous” sounds like something him and his friend laughed about at the time

[@onedirectionlover317]

I don't know, with regards to talking about opinions on partner appearance, do people not talk about their dates' and their opinions with their friends / family? Like "oh, he was cute" or "oh he looked different IRL than his profile photos". These folks don't have anyone to talk to besides their castmates, partner, and producer. And you can't tell your partner that you felt underwhelmed by their appearance at the reveal, so he's just got his castmates left! Hannah was trashing his appearance and going on about how underwhelmed she was ON CAMERA, so in comparison him confiding to the closest thing he had to friends is, at most, equally bad, certainly not worse.

[@MSmith-qg1oh]

AGREED!!!!

[@desiraesherwood]

Thank you!! Felt like I was crazy for thinking this

[@Theblondebass1]

That's a great point

[@Noel___]

I honestly could only watch your videos and be okay with not watching the actual show 💕💕💕 your recaps are the best and thorough

[@sydneyaparker]

Steph Anya, we need YOU to be on the show guiding these people!!

[@MrsMutterCourage]

So true! ♥️

[@IceIceIfe]

Honestly! Would really improve the show quality

[@reneerevolinski4822]

I believe what Nick meant by his "brand" is his real estate business. He doesn't have a separate Instagram for his real estate. His personal/business Instagram are one in the same.

[@liabstrait8306]

That's what I thought too !

[@346ego]

Very surprised that the contempt part was so short… :/ I appreciate you wanting to keep a neutral stance but Hannah’s behaviour was concerning, dare I say abusive.

[@tiffanybarefield1227]

And she glossed over Hannah saying "I'll treat you like an equal when you start contributing like an equal"

[@realSimoneCherie]

yeah, but she repeat throughout the video that Hannah was not ready for marriage

[@MSmith-qg1oh]

@@realSimoneCherieHannah isn’t ready for any relationship with anyone. The one thing I love is she showed every man that might think about being with her who she truly is.

[@mmmissmiss3356]

YES... I can't believe Steph Anya glossed over Hannah going through Nick's private things, for example his journal and that she said he would be treated as an equal once he started contributing like one, meaning that she didn't think of him as her equal already...

[@joandawkins112]

I enjoyed your pov so much. I’ve listened to several therapist on this subject and you perspective is one of the best in regards to balance and insights. I agreed with so much of what you said and was particularly excited about how engaged and informed you are as a therapist.

[@Emilly-fz7mw]

I always watch your break-downs for their objective professionalism but I wish you maybe talked more about how Hannah's contempt was verging on verbal abusive. I agree with some of the comments under this video - I also had to pause watching some of the episodes of LIB because the way Hannah was talking to and about Nick were so disturbing. Nick was far from perfect but I still do not think he deserved the treatment he received. And reunion only showed that Hannah did not change at all.

[@NothinbutLove]

I really dislike Hannah. She's rude, mean, and loves to point out Nick's "failures" in her eyes but had little introspection about her own actions. I was really glad they broke up.

[@Khumzwi]

I've noticed multiple instances on this show of women being openly abusive toward their male partners. If the roles were reversed, there would likely be an uproar on Netflix, and the Lacheys would speak out against DV while openly supporting Hannah. For example, if Nick belittled Hannah by claiming he "turned her from a girl into a woman," it wouldn’t be accepted. This normalization of disrespect can desensitize viewers and perpetuate harmful stereotypes, particularly since men are statistically more vulnerable to depression. Ultimately, the show reinforces abusive dynamics without accountability. The reality is that neither of them truly believed they were ready for marriage, despite Nick’s efforts. I hope they seek therapy to gain the tools needed to become better partners in the future.

[@emmapaynter9893]

I agree. I have said that about Hannah. People would be going nuts about narcissistic abuse if she were a man.

[@smartmarketing173]

I was beginning to wonder if it just a generational thing because I’m GenX, but, damnnn! These girls are really hard to watch.😬

[@dethebare3865]

What other relationships do you think were abusive?

[@em4001]

Well unfortunately, there is a double standard when women are abusive towards men. Women in general are seen as more “ emotional” so people often think verbal abuse is normal. Since men are painted as stronger people think it may not effect them as much I’m guessing

[@desiraesherwood]

It’s happened before with men being abusive. They just cut the couples completely in those instances…

[@nikolemarovic2670]

Going back to your point about Nick not wanting to talk about intimate details on television, I actually thought very highly of him when he said that. I would be the same way if I were on the show, for respect towards my parents and myself as a woman. The world does not need to know if you were intimate with someone or not and I always find that part of the show super strange. These two were so diabolical thoughhhh 😩

[@EricaRose]

Usually i love your videos but i feel like you gave hannah way to much grace so this one wasnt for me but thats okay too

[@realSimoneCherie]

also, can I just say that I would love to have an entire video just about "the ick "- I feel like I hear a lot of very dissatisfied people looking for relationships and I don't think they understand just how minuscule, and frankly immature it is to regularly say things like "(insert innocent behavior here)". gives me the ick

[@Porcelynnn]

the ick is the excuse for ppl to drop someone just because they experienced an unattractive moment with their partner. that’s life tho - we always aren’t gonna be turned on by our partner 24/7. you’re right, it’s so immature and unrealistic to find a partner you’ll never get an “ick” from

[@Theblondebass1]

Yes please 🙏

[@rubiirae]

I think the brand that Nick was referring to is because he's a realtor. Realtors pretty much operate as their own entity under the brokerage. I'm sure most cast members after LIB season 2 are just coming on for clout as their top priority, getting a partner is just the bonus on top. They can call out Nick for clout chasing, but the same thing can be said about most if not all of them, except they didn't get caught putting their thoughts in writing.

[@liz_lore]

This was one of the most thoughtful and balanced responses I’ve watched about Nick and Hannah. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and expertise.

[@TheRealChereeses]

Growing up, my best friend was made fun of by boys in school for her looks. So when she started dating as an adult, she’d tell me all of the mean and degrading things she’d say to men and would pass it off as being outspoken when in reality it was a defense mechanism so that they wouldn’t have the chance to be mean to her first. This friend became very preoccupied with her physical appearance and eventually had issues dating where men would cut her off for “no reason”, but not because of looks. Hannah very much reminds me of this friend. And hearing the way Nick spoke about her behind her back must’ve brought up some deep issues. I really hope she’s talking to someone and working through her insecurities. A year later at the reunion, she’s gotten a complete makeover but hasn’t done much introspection and still excuses her actions towards Nick as “just being a direct person.”

[@swinto4795]

How is Nick wanting to get famous worse than Hannah quitting her job "to find love"(in a tv-show)?

[@RivyO]

I couldn’t understand how Hannah ended up the way she did, since her family seemed nice but we never know what happens behind closed doors. She shows a lot of signs of trauma. The abused becomes the abuser

[@Bambi-ek7lv]

Seemed nice🙃 The mother would lock the cabinet to stop her from eating. They're fronting

[@RivyO]

@ that’s so true!

[@ShannonEllison]

My theory is that she was bullied for her weight (including locking the snacks away).

[@Coffeeplease58]

The reason why Nick was emotionally mature is because he came from warm, loving parents who taught him those qualities. I think Hanna wanting her parents to "grill" Nick is bc she doesn't feel like they truly love or care about her. Her whole personality is a trauma response to controlling, yet still emotionally neglectful parenting. It's very sad. Sure, Nick can't cook, but that is much easier to teach someone

[@rubiirae]

@@Bambi-ek7lv hannah also said the woman on the beach called her a b*tch when she didn't...said katie kept calling nick hot when she didnt - katie only said he's better looking than what she expected...i think hannah has the habit of lying and making things up to manipulate and put herself in the victim mode to gain sympathy

[@kikig604]

I love hearing your pov from a mature & professional perspective. It’s very educational , keep it up 🩷

[@jakes3799]

[Definition of 'falling on the grenad': "Falling on the grenade" in dating means accepting a bad or undesirable partner, even when you know it's not a good match, in order to avoid conflict or potential social awkwardness] Yeah, that sounds about right. That's exactly what Nick did. If Nick admitted that he said that, I would think more of him, not less, for telling it like it is. He DID fall on the grenade. And if he liked negative comments online about Hannah, he had every reason to do that too. But he was nice enough afterwards to encourage the hate to stop. But Hannah destroyed his efforts by going on the attack and demonstrating to everyone exactly why they hate her.

[@nakiatexas10]

This is my favorite channel for relationship analysis! I learn so much that helps me in my own relationships so thank you! 🙏🏼

[@RoyalRumBull]

I think maturity is best measured by one's humility. Hannah had none and Nick had plenty. An opportunity was missed in pointing out how Katie gave direct constructive criticism and how Nick was highly receptive vs how Hannah tears him down and he STILL takes it on the chin and tries his best.

[@wisehead1830]

I'm not here for Love is Blind I am here for the very in-depth perspective Anya brings. Her analyses always make me reflect on my own life and relationships.

[@madawade]

One factor that I think informs Hannah’s self-criticism and criticism of others is that her parents fixated on her body weight when she was a child. In the pods, she shared with Nick about how her parents locked the refrigerator and cupboards (among other things) because they were “worried” about her weight. Their intentions may have been informed by common misconceptions that body weight is an all-encompassing factor for overall health, but the ways that they approached what they perceived to be a weight problem were in itself cruel. This probably had an overwhelmingly negative impact on her mental health and development. She talked about those experiences in a way that suggests they were traumatic for her.

[@desiraines]

This is the one I’ve been waiting for. I have so many thoughts…I’d like to see if I can hang with the good Doc!

[@Jowoart6960]

What I’ve learned about expecting your significant other to do chores, details matter. “Please take out the trash” and “Please take out the trash before 8am” are vastly different requests.

[@javanjunkindahouse6625]

Anya, truly loved your perspective, it was a breath of fresh air! I always learn from watching and listening to how you break things down. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to make this content!! ❤

[@victoriaemerson-ds8du]

I hate when people call abuse “delivery”… Hannah was communicating contempt in every way she could. It wasn’t just delivery.

[@Queenb2001]

Watching this video, I forgotten all about the questionable things Nick had asked or said, because of Hannah's jarring and mean behaviour towards him

[@calvinwilson3617]

Yeah if they really wanted to railroad him they should have showed the clips from 13:44 That would have "exposed him" way more than making up this false narrative about comments that were "heard" by stephen. But. They just straight up ignored Hannah's abuse Edit: and im saying this as someone defending nick against the "grenade" and "5/10" allegations

[@AishaandLife]

When Nick was alone with Hannah’s brother, was very telling. If anyone should defend you in your absence, it’s your siblings. But, he didn’t do that. Also, the rest of her family don’t seem to like her. I’d love to see an episode on Ramses and Marissa. I DID NOT understand what happened there 🤔🤔

[@Suweetha-qi6bk]

Thank you for your balanced take on this!! I found it really hard to watch how Hannah treated Nick, but I appreciate you also noting areas where Nick could improve in his communication (like the stonewalling). Thank you for also clarifying maturity - it was so frustrating to see how it was being used in a black and white way!

[@thatomaloka480]

I enjoyed this video a lot, so thank you for taking the time to film it. I do however think that Hannah’s approach towards Nick was emotionally and verbally abusive and I would’ve hoped that you would’ve addressed that. Yea, they both had things to work on but Hannah displayed very abusive behaviour towards Nick.

[@LoveFreestylingLife]

Hannah didn’t find the note about nick being “famous”until after the break up. I was die hard for Hannah in the beginning until she started taking personal shots towards Nick. She speaks the same way I do..and I was able to see qualities about myself through her on screen. My husband said I tend to speak to him the way she does when discussing serious topics. It’s helped me focus more on how I say things now. I hope she is able to grow as a person, I do think they are separately good people they just seemed to trigger one another.

[@netanyacimone1895]

Just wanted to say I really appreciate your thumbnails! They’re so dynamic, branded, and well designed. Look how you edited Hannah’s arm over you. Genius!

[@StephAnya]

Thank you so much! Huge shout-out to my husband, @NDOvert, for creating our thumbnails and editing the videos with me. He absolutely loves designing thumbnails for his own channel too!

[@nicoleallen5454]

I am also so confused when people are shocked that reality TV folks care about how the come off. To me, the fact that he was open about it with Hannah and also wanted to know if there were thing she wouldn't want mentioned was pretty ethical and straight forward. We all negotiate privacy boundaries.

[@kaytlinirwin8426]

This is how I felt about their interactions I’m really glad to hear your position on their relationship! I was feeling like I was really missing something with so many people saying that she was definitely abusive and I’ve seen so many people saying she can never change and hasn’t changed and won’t change. Thank you for your input!!!

[@TheStarForge]

My main critique of Hannah is she is mature in terms of finances, however, emotionally and socially? Not very mature. The judging part really throws me off, because she herself did not want to be judged, but then judged many Men on the show.

[@micmm11]

God FINALLY someone who is really analyzing this whole thing and not just taking sides. I agree with literally everything you said, no notes 👌🏻

[@andianderson3017]

Mostly leaving out Hannah’s criticism is an interesting take. I know it could make it one sided-quickly, but far more than her criticism is the effect it has on Nick. I feel like you watch him wilt slowly over the course of the show. And then at the reunion he looks almost white in his anxiety and he looks like he lost weight. I think the effect she had on him was serious and points to how severe it was. He may have been a run of the mill shallowish dude that made some insensitive comments on her looks, but WOW did he go through hell for it. I’m not sure he deserved that. (I’m pretty sure he didnt’).

[@DannyDyersChocolateHomunculi]

IMO, this season's reunion was filmed in "dumpster fire" format. It turned out like an episode of Mean Girls Club crossed with a Jerry Springer episode with amount of victimhood being portrayed by everyone. I've never fast forwarded through a reunion episode of Love is Blind before.. But the way they let everyone scream over each other so you couldn't understand anything anyone was saying was very poor directing. In the end, Hannah proved to herself and everyone to be a self-proclaimed narcissist who would fully ditch her girlfriends for a dudes approval. Everyone believed Stephen about what Nick said (whether true or not), who lied about his own relationship intentions as well lol. And although Ramses never admitted to it, we all know it was Marissa's totally unhinged mother stating things like "I wanted to punch him in the throat" that made him realize that it would never work between them. I really hope someday Marissa gets away from her emotionally unstable mother and finds a healthy, non-toxic relationship. She seemed like a genuine person, but was also playing a heart broken victim, essentially ignoring her mother's toxic role in his and hers relationship. Thank you Anya for making these videos, giving your own personal perspectives. I've learned so much about relationships and how they are conducted by different people by following your channel. ❤

[@megankaiser787]

I love your videos. Also I loved the Gottman reference as psych major! I like that you have allowed me to see a more nuanced version of Hannah but I think this may have been a missed opportunity to expand on verbal mistreatment against different genders and lend your (great) expertise on how you would have handled that in your practice. Love your work! ❤

[@OsirisCante]

I feel like emotional maturity takes time to develop;especially when someone is caught in their own ways. While learning how to pay bills doesn’t take that much time and effort. Nick is probably gonna have a better chance to have long lasting relationship once he’s able to be more self sufficient.

[@Crystal0139]

Right he can learn that so easily. I learned it at 18. And cooking is fairly easy to learn too. It’s hard to teach someone how to be a good person tho.

[@OsirisCante]

@ its also fun to teach people new things, you grow better connections, and that person starts admiring you thus falling more in love. Hannah seems very insecure masked in superiority. She should be more humble and empathetic.

[@onedirectionlover317]

@@Crystal0139 Exactly. I can see why his lack of knowledge in those areas would make marriage worrisome, but tactical skills can be learned or even outsourced tbh (if Nick did eventually make enough money as a real estate agent). And if there was underlying love and affection and respect, then that's the kind of thing that you could break up at the altar but still continue dating. Even Stacy was willing to continue dating Izzy despite their issues being (in my opinion) bigger question marks. I'm not saying Hannah was obligated to, but there ARE other options than "marriage or nothing" if the couple wants to make it work. And no one is born knowing how to do these things from the womb, so their timeline of learning just comes down to when they either HAVE to, or being one of the rare types who actually really enjoys this stuff. Just b/c Hannah had to do these things earlier doesn't mean that Nick is bad or that he'd be incapable of doing it whenever he had to. It's just that in his life, that necessity came later. SO many couples with different preferences and skill levels make it work with adjustment on both ends (either one person being fine doing more of the work, both parties moving towards an equilibrium, the other person stepping up completely, etc.). Even with the Gottmans, the most famous and rigorous relationship researchers, they've compromised on that by Julie not freaking out about John's pile of books until her life is in peril 😂 and it's fine if someone doesn't want to live that way, but it doesn't make them inherently better. But character is really the make or break, and that evidently can take a whole lot of therapy and self-help to change (and starting with WILLINGNESS!). Which Hannah does NOT demonstrate.

[@Crystal0139]

@@OsirisCante yesss so true

[@realSimoneCherie]

exactly - you can't "work" your way to emotional maturity.

[@berenic90]

So they had a conversation about not sharing their intimacy and then she goes in one of the outing and just completely embarrassed him, talking about how he does not eat the cat and other things. hannah is just pure bad.

[@queenloiskosher6119]

Hannah is down right abusive…. Sheesh! She manipulates the story around Nick and because she’s surrounded by circumstances that make Nick look bad, she is excused from accountability. Nick doesn’t have to be a saint to have experienced verbal and emotional abuse from this woman. Nick made 1 comment about her being a grenade, she made multiple comments about his looks, finances, “immaturity”, sexual performance, to so many people behind his back and in front of him. If the bandwagon of supporters could call Nick out which they should, then they absolutely should have called Hannah’s abuse out. Watching Hannah tear this man apart and deflect from accountability by pointing at him and the whole attendees of the show letting it happen reminded me of Zanab and Cole and I don’t think I’ll keep watching LIB if they continue to bring these bullies and let them tear apart the victims of their emotional violence.

[@gracepisano]

very zaneb coded for sure!!!!

[@Dauerglotzer123]

I do think this highlights Nicks faults more than other places, which do gloss over it all. But this also really minimises hannahs overall treatment of nick which was abusive.

[@nirobytobias]

You def have to do Tim and Alex

[@emmapaynter9893]

The pink turtle neck and warm make up! You look so pretty!

[@feji88]

Love the idea of these couples having support to address what they need to work on that they identify

[@KaytchC1790]

I’m quite sure that by “brand” he meant his real estate brand back home. Real Estate success is based 90% on connections/networking & reputation. As the child of two real estate agents, I grew up around it, and I can see how that would be a concern for him.

[@Nohandleentered]

One of these years I’m going to need to watch the actual show 😅. I enjoy the breakdowns on so many channels, between watching em over the past year, including the Out of the Pods channel, and haven’t seen a single episode.

[@mmem4264]

I recommend never actually watching an ep 😂

[@loudmouthwife]

This is the worst season lol. The only one that’s really good is the first one

[@C-Line-m2x]

I think she knew he wasn’t into her and that’s why she was on her aggressive side. It does feel like he was playing a part a bit . I also agree he definitely should have ridden the duck. I think she was more hurt that he entertained it when it was their first day there but she was also being harsh. However I really think it stemmed from her insecurity of how he felt about her ( from reveal). I thought she was a tad aggressive during the finances conversation but it needed to be done. He did seem very uncomfortable though. She could have adjusted how she continued the conversation, once she saw how he was feeling. Her mom’s reaction made me question if she was like that all the time.

[@abm5707]

Hannah is tiring, demanding, demeaning. Keep it moving Nick.

[@MeemsyD]

Love that colour on you! Always a nice watch and good to break it down in a calm analytical way, it can get a little wild online!

[@theCatsitter878]

You're the only person who pointed out the conversation they had about plastic surgery in Mexico and how he offered to pay for her to get work done. I found that very unsettling, I don't know why everyone online overlooked that. It kinda proved what Hannah said at the reunion, that Nick said and thought she was ugly.

[@queennzinga5988]

I really want to know Hannah back story, especially with her mom.

[@NothinbutLove]

I'm loving all these comments. I am so glad I'm not the only one. Hannah is a spoiled little brat who wants everything her way. And HE was the one living with his parents. You'd think he's be the one with the entitled attitude. I didn't like him at first and still isn't my favorite but time after time he showed her how he was willing to change or compromise and she did none of that. She invaded his privacy more than once and talked about it on TV. Like who does that? I really hope she gets into therapy because she needs a lot of help.

[@carlacookingvegan]

I believe Hannah chose Nick because of Britney. When Britney came back from her date with Leo and accidentally said his name, you could see how uncomfortable she felt. She looked like she thought Britney was conventionally more attractive than her, so she hurried back and got with Nick after she broke things off with him.

[@brittneywacek3696]

As a therapist I really enjoy watching your videos like this. It’s almost like doing a case consult. Which I would love to do. Especially since I am an LICSW who strictly sees individuals. I love the varying perspectives that talking to the other license areas can bring.

[@MsMockingbird06]

This video was worth the wait. Your analysis was so balanced and fair. Excellently done!!!

[@natalie651]

I honestly feel you went too easy on Hannah and I wonder why. I realize you tried to be even handed, but to me this really resembled Zanab and Cole and you were much more willing to call out Zanab's abuse there. The way Hannah talked to Nick seemed verbally abusive to me. And the way she talked about him was very disrespectful as well (such as exposing his sex game). I did not see that talked about here, but I may have missed it.

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Hannah made it her mission to destroy Nick. Her issues with him were valid but it doesn’t excuse her treating Nick so badly, she didn’t respect him or his boundaries. Nick was immature yes but he was harmless. She was saying she was afraid of him thinking she was hot and being afraid of rejection yet she was disappointed by his looks and kept on making fun of his looks and embarrassed him and she thought she was better than him when she really isn’t. At the reunion it was clear she had shown no growth in her constantly interrupted him and shushing him. She is by far the worst contestant to have appeared on LIB. Appreciate this professional POV and take on Hannah and Nick.

[@alistarblu]

Love your content and great video! I just wanted to say, I love your editing and that your videos are a delight to watch! You have perfected the art of weaving your narration in with scenes from the show and flashes of the cast member's facial expressions to create a cohesive, thoughtful, and concise narrative!

[@bela_vee]

i love your vids you seem like a really calming and safe person

[@alyssalauren24]

Always giving the most accurate takes! ❤ Nick isn't without his flaws, but the cover up Hannah gave during the reunion saying he was there for clout rather than actually apologizing for how she treated him during the season was crazy.

[@simsimma8449]

I feel like people are making too many excuses for Hannah. You can not justify how horrible she was to Nick. Regardless of how stressed you are, it is never okay to treat someone like that. And the way she was proud to say 'I know I can be a bxtch' or 'I'm just direct' was disgusting. You can be direct and respectful. She is just a horrible person! She deserves to be alone until she learns to respect someone other than herself. He surely wasn't a perfect person, but at least he respected and treated her well

[@SavageThrifter]

Hannah left her list of "10 things she hated about Nick" out for him to see. I'm 100% confident in that claim. I believe it was her passive aggressive retaliation for the situation with the duck race with that other woman

[@thandimwanza]

In all honesty, these two were a hot mess. They were way too young to try this experiment coz maturity on both sides was lacking. They both didn’t like each other all that much tbh and they should have ended it in the pods and kept it pushing.

[@lydiarosebrita4901]

I felt like from the beginning they had a very strange dynamic that only got worse and worse as time went on. But in their early conversations something feels off to me, like they were pretending to be compatible.

[@Neicywoods]

Your hair is so pretty.

[@surfsup4019]

Find it so hypocritical to look in his diary and that he wrote he wanted to be famous... those are the inner thoughts of someone in a diary that is not supposed to be public. I'm sure they would all have something like that if they wrote their thoughts down before the experiment. Let's not be naive here and think they are all there for love. If you're looking for love, you'd do it in the normal way. Not on a show for all to see.

[@elizabethc.7433]

just started the vid, but that shade of pink looks sooo lovely on you!!

[@avivalavida403]

Steph I love your videos!!! I actually learn so much about myself & how to navigate dating & relationships from you ❤ you always keep it real & nonjudgmental & makes me more understanding of partners & dating. Thanks queen!! 👑

[@rahnstap]

I don’t think I’ve ever commented on one of your videos before but I really appreciate this one! Hannah’s behavior was inexcusable but everyone is forgetting these moments where nick invalidated her feelings or made her feel poorly about herself with his flirtatious behavior. Everyone on Reddit swears up and down that his and Katie’s conversation was just friendly, but I totally agree with you in that it was inappropriate given they were talking about how attracted they were to one another. All in all, they both seemed pretty unhappy but wanted to make it work. Not sure if it was solely for the camera time or if they genuinely felt love for each other, but it was pretty painful and relatable to watch their relationship play out on screen. They both could’ve avoided heartache by just being honest with themselves. I also have experience in having a partner who is “naturally flirtatious.” It sucks and is terrible for your self esteem, but it doesn’t give you the right to disrespect someone the way she did to nick. Thank you for your work!

[@liz_lore]

Yes, well said. They both behaved in ways that were hurtful and unkind. She was just much more obvious about it. Another therapist reaction I’ve watched mentioned that the way many women online are hating on Hannah and treating Nick like a victim is an example of how far we still have to go when it comes to internalized misogyny. Her behavior was not okay; it also didn’t come out of nowhere.

[@lulumoon6610]

@@liz_loreah interesting! Who was that therapist?