Conversation With a Free Grace Teacher

[@evanwildermann7034]

There is no redemption without first receiving condemnation this is something I've been trying to explain to brothers in our community the lord actually was showing me that same interpretation of Matthew 16:24 which is awesome thanks brother for confirming it to me

[@ceemcwill3503]

Love this how brothers are conversing and expounding on scriptures. 2 Timothy 3:16…

[@ezequielayala2604]

This is why I love conversation no debate no argument even in disagreement God bless the both of y'all. 🙏✝️

[@kingcoldva]

Our salvation Is not assured by the opinion of others.only by our trust in Christ

[@joycebegnaud9645]

Amen 🙏 😊

[@chrisanok9283]

Yes

[@tylerlee9681]

This is one of the best conversations I’ve listened to in a while I pray God blesses you both

[@lc3507]

Salvation is salvation. Discipleship is a life-long process after one is saved; as one is spiritually formed, they are progressively sanctified which is the transformational work of the Holy Spirit. In summary, free grace is what the Bible teaches.

[@KCRookie]

People are only sanctified when they yield to the sanctifying work of The Spirit

[@chrisanok9283]

Not true. There is no distinction between salvation and discipleship. The moment we are saved, we are a disciple.

[@lc3507]

​@@chrisanok9283 Yes true. I do not think that anyone is denying that a person is a disciple the moment they are saved. The moment a person is saved results in what is called initial or positional sanctification. Then, there is what is called "progressive sanctification," which is the process of being conformed to the image of Christ from the moment you became and believer and continues over the course of your entire life. We do not automatically think and act 100% like Jesus does the moment we are saved, but rather we are progressively becoming more like Christ over time, hence the term "progressive sanctification." There is also final or complete sanctification, which speaks to the believer's final state in our resurrected bodies with the Lord. This is why when referencing believers, depending on the context, the Bible mentions we are already saved, in the process of being saved, and yet still to be saved. A few supporting passages are below. cf. Eph 2:8, initial sanctification cf. 1 Cor 1:18, progressive sanctification cf. 1 Cor 15:50-58, final sanctification Rom 5, addresses all three of these positions.

[@lc3507]

​@@chrisanok9283 Yes true. I do not think that anyone is denying that a person is a disciple the moment they are saved. The moment a person is saved results in what is called initial or positional sanctification. Then, there is what is called "progressive sanctification," which is the process of being conformed to the image of Christ from the moment you became and believer and continues over the course of your entire life. We do not automatically think and act 100% like Jesus the moment we are saved, but rather we are "progressively" becoming more like Christ over time, hence the term "progressive sanctification." There is also final or complete sanctification, which speaks to the believer's final state in our resurrected bodies with the Lord. This is why when referencing believers, depending on the context, the Bible mentions we are already saved, in the process of being saved, and yet still to be saved. A few supporting passages are below. cf. Eph 2:8, initial/positional sanctification cf. 1 Cor 1:18; Phil 3:13-14, progressive sanctification cf. 1 Cor 15:50-58, final sanctification Rom 5-6, simultaneously addresses all three of these positions.

[@SpaceMarine777]

@@chrisanok9283 where is that written…? If we apply that standard to the entirety of the bible the only conclusion you can come to is that a grand total of 11 people were saved during the earthly ministry of Christ…which i wholeheartedly reject.

[@iamiv909]

I say this with love. A simple warning to those who proclaim Christ. Do not abuse God’s grace and His sacrifice. If you say you believe in Christ, that should be shown in your life. Saying a prayer or dunking yourself in some water doesn't give you freedom to continue to "live" in sin.

[@Edgar_Nava]

@iamiv909 I agree, but the distinction has to be made between "What MUST I do to be saved? And What SHOULD I do now that I'm saved". God bless.

[@rylandmorrissey5511]

If you DONT have the "freedom" to sin as a justified individual then you have not been justified at all. If you live in a state in which you can only sin a certain amount to be saved, that is a deceitful works salvation. We should not sin, not at all and we should live very holy lifestyles but for the purpose of the good of our neighbor and our own sanctification.

[@noybiznatch]

​@@rylandmorrissey5511Willful continual unrepentant sin, causes separation from God and His grace. God gives grace to the humble and rejects the proud. You can't ignore the passages in Galatians Corinthians and Revelation that speak about those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. These passages referred to willful continual unrepentant sin.

[@patrickharris3585]

Sanctification vs justification. Justification is the point in which a man or woman is declared righteous.That happens at the point of confession.Sanctification is letting the word become effectual in the heart and life of the believer.

[@KFP617]

well said

[@simhawk3986]

Man this was so wholesome.. I love both these brothers in Christ. keep having these respectful conversations.

[@Lynnda-jw6ql]

Yes ! ❤️

[@jonjwyte2102]

Context context context. Bible snippets can lead one to make any conclusion of what the scripture says, instead of what it really says. Thank you Corey, for showing brotherly love and patience.

[@kimwilliams4800]

The thief on the cross had it better than all of us! He didn’t have to have none of these conversations. Lived like a straight up heathen his whole life and was remembered in paradise the moment he BELIEVED!!!! But hey, maybe it’s just me. Salvation is very simple.❤

[@ShallStandForEver]

Facing death, or death bed conversions are obviously acceptable to God, but we would agree that's not the model we should seek after. Every day all mankind faces their potential personal eschatology of the end of their life. Being a vessel that comes to Christ early in life and is used by the Holy Ghost to reach souls is better.

[@kimwilliams4800]

@ I absolutely agree with you. However that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. Again, we make it complicated when it’s really not by having these type of “debates” on who is living holier than the other. Salvation is simple not easy. Carrying a cross is not easy. Even Christ in His humanity had help carrying His cross to Calvary! The thief believed on Him and was saved! Not everyone get that in their youth!! That’s the point I was trying to make. Let us just be what He called us to be and that is a witness to The Gospel! Let’s be the hands and feet of Jesus! Tired of the division.

[@ShallStandForEver]

@@kimwilliams4800 I agree that mankind makes things complicated. So many men and women in the Church are beholden to a system rather than the simplicity of the Scriptures. The Lord desires unity for His Church and must be grieved with the lack. God bless you.

[@kimwilliams4800]

@ Amen! God Bless You as well😇

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Yep you're saved the moment you accept christ as your Lord and Savior, believing He is God in the flesh who went to the cross so that you could be redeemed. Sanctification is a life long process.

[@vanessadobbins6885]

Thank you brothers for the discussion and aligning it with God’s Word. I will receive correction any day from another child of God as long as it is in love and not the person becoming self righteous. We all are flawed in the flesh, however, Christ Jesus paid the Ultimate price to redeem our souls. Praise His Holy Name!!!!!!!!!!! God bless both of you🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@SonSetFreeIndeed]

Beautiful conversation with this brother in Christ, God bless you this is how we should handle things in the Body of Christ. Both of you guys class act and represented Messiah well 🙏✝️❤️‍🔥

[@DavidS-i7j]

Don't fall for the sheep's clothing. If you've looked at this guests ministry then you know just how cunning and crafty is is that he's presenting himself in such a humble cloak Matthew 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

[@fictionawsome12]

Y'all 2 really need to collaborate more Naji makes Beautiful content, and his editing style is straightforward and relaxed

[@chrisanok9283]

Why should they collaborate? One is clearly teaching a false gospel while Corey is teaching truth. If you actually go to Christian forreal page, he is constantly attacking those who believe we should live in obedience to Jesus. Of course, when he comes on air, he will say he isn't against obedience, but when you actually get into it, he is against obedience claiming it's self righteous.

[@1mikeburns]

I love both of these teachers tbh I learn a lot from both.

[@chrisanok9283]

Yeah but one is clearly false

[@cowel8734]

Thank you for keeping a firm foundation and not letting it go to your head brother. Great work

[@BriannaColeman-oe9sn]

Believe on the Lord and love one another. We walk in faith

[@Goodakeraretha]

Yes I enjoyed this so much ❤healthy conversation

[@chrisanok9283]

Amen

[@MubitaNdopu]

You just have to love Corey. His all bible. ❤ no added understanding. I respect the fact that he explains Everything with the Word ❤ unlike these wolf's especially here in Africa to oooo many

[@ContendformyFaith]

Amen I agree 💯. I'm South African

[@MubitaNdopu]

@ContendformyFaith am from zambia and it's really sad. Pastors basically don't allow people to read their bibles. For the reason that they are not at the spiritual level to understand 💀

[@PastorG41]

I was wanting to answer a Question about what OUR WORKS as a Christians are for? Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things i will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto MEN.

[@SpaceMarine777]

@@PastorG41 amen. Our good works foster a good testimony to bring more to Christ. If I approach you in public, smoking dope and clearly drunk and attempt to bring the gospel of Christ to someone, what have i done to my ability to reach them??? Failure to rightly divide the word always leads to confusion and contradiction. Theres a reason we are called to “rightly divide” the word…..salvation from discipleship, works from faith etc.

[@PastorG41]

@@SpaceMarine777 Amen

[@johngyamfi588]

Thank you

[@PastorG41]

@@johngyamfi588 Your welcome

[@Captain_Of_A_Starship]

Profitable to the individual man or to men outside of the individual? Scripture says faith is made complete by works and your scripture said "men" instead of man so it is the individual who has profited.

[@pamelabrown8467]

Thanks for sharing your video 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙏🏾

[@cryptosagaJKA]

Amazing, keep up the good work brethren.

[@johntrevett2944]

Do vs done, Religion vs Jesus.

[@a.b.8302]

I like that one 👍🏽👍🏽

[@spritualflared]

@@TheEmptyeyeThe Will of the Father is to believe on his Son.

[@TheEmptyeye]

@ I think you may be misunderstanding or have been taught wrong about John 6:40. The point that Jesus was making there is the Father’s will concerning Himself(Jesus). 40 And *this is the will of him that sent me,* that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, *may* have everlasting life: and *I will raise him up at the last day.* Also, the phrase “may have” in the original language is in the subjunctive mood, meaning: “the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described *may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances.”* -- The Fathers will concerning us is taught throughout the NT. Matthew chapters 5-7 is a good read. His will for us is also clearly stated in: 1 Thess 4:3-7 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 *For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:* 4 *That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;* 5 *Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:* 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, *as we also have forewarned you and testified.* 7 *For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.* - Heb 12:14 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, *without which no man shall see the Lord:* -- Jn 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. -Jesus

[@joedimmock9859]

Exactly, it's already done, we should want to do because he completed our salvation on our behalf.

[@TheEmptyeye]

You are misunderstanding or have been taught wrong about John 6:40. The point that Jesus is making there is the Father’s will concerning Himself(Jesus). 40 And *this is the will of him that sent me,* that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, *may* have everlasting life: and *I will raise him up at the last day.* Also, the phrase “may have” in the original language is in the subjunctive mood, meaning: “the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described *may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances.”* -- The Fathers will concerning us is taught throughout the NT. Matt chapters 5-7 is a good read. His will for us is also clearly stated in: 1 Thess 4:2-7 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 *For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:* 4 *That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;* 5 *Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:* 6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 7 *For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.* -- Heb 12:14 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: -- Jn 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. -Jesus

[@dlove9034]

Your breakdown of Jn 3:16 does not align with scripture. For the most part, it was just an overcomplication of the Greek. And please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to conflate justification with sanctification (I'm not saying you are not familiar with these terms), but the difference is pronounced. Grace is the power of God working in us to carry out his will, not the power of man.

[@noybiznatch]

Free gracers seems to conflate a one-time declaration of belief with unconditional certainty of sanctification glorification and ultimately union with God. Salvation is about being in a right standing with the Lord, not about saying the sinner's prayer. Also when God gives us His grace, we received the Holy Spirit. We synergistically work with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit enables us and empowers us to overcome things we wouldn't normally overcome in the flesh. The Holy Spirit does not force us to do these things. We must listen to God's still small voice, ie the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't work against our will. That's why we can grieve the Holy Spirit. That's why the Bible says the Holy Spirit can be quenched if we continually ignore it's promptings.

[@dlove9034]

@noybiznatch I never mentioned the sinners prayer in my original comment. I don't even refer to it as the sinners' prayer. I refer to it as the prayer unto salvation. Paul was clear in Rom 10:9-10 that we believe with the heart but confess with mouth that lordship of Christ. It is possible for a believer to fall from grace, but that is not based on work either. We live based on grace just as we we're saved by grace 👑.

[@PhatMedic]

Saved by Grace, kept by Grace. A concept few will understand because they resort to their works to justify their salvation. Remember it is not your works but the works of Christ for He is the breastplate righteousness and we have to put on the breastplate daily. If put on Christ, then we put on his righteousness. If we dont put on His righteousness the Bible makes it clear that there is none righteous not one. It also mentions to sow in the Spirit so that ye may yield the fruit of the Spirit. If you sow in the flesh you will only reap corruption. Though our works will be burned up our soul will still be saved. Keep this in mind when our works are tested through fire, it is better to bring some then not bring none at all when faced at the judgement seat of Christ.

[@thenowchurch6419]

If there are no works at all, the person was not saved to begin with.

[@yahsavesgrace6247]

I suggest you watch Hell testimonies of Christians going to Hell and explaining what it was like because they had some secret sin keep on thinking you can sin willfully that’s trick of the enemy from the pits of hell we can struggle with sin but he can’t just willfully sin and call ourselves Christians we have got to put in the work

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@yahsavesgrace6247 Your over all point is correct but the part about Hell testimonies is not scriptural. No example is given of someone going to Hell and coming back to life to tell us. The Lazarus and the Rich Man parable shows that there is a gulf between the spiritual realm and this earth.

[@aeh3253]

​@@thenowchurch6419exactly, the holy Spirit will not allow someone to live just like a non-Christian

[@barrygreen9964]

@@thenowchurch6419 Believing the Gospel of Christ for salvation is the Power of God! Proof Text 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Not work in believing, you don't have to move a muscle or bat an eyelash to believe. NO WORK. The moment you believe the Gospel of Christ, the gospel of your salvation. You are indwelled with the Holy Spirit and Sealed until the day of redemption which is the rapture. Proof Text 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. See it?

[@ALLTHINGSCINEMA24]

Honestly I feel like the brother is trying to get on the map... I seen his video last week about Pastor Phillip Anthony and him trying to criticize his testimony (from that one podcast) He didn't do his research or even look at the Pastors many sermons where he denying his own self, exalting the name of Christ and teaching biblical doctrine and ignorantly calls him a false teacher? now he is on here with Corey.. Check your heart brother and ask God to expose why you really doing what you doing.

[@christianforreal]

i've watched multiple of pastor mitchell's sermons and podcasts and have not heard him share the pure gospel once. i'm not trying to get on the map. God will just put me on whenever He deems necessary. I came on Cory's call-in discussion after a brother recommended me to if i had a disagreement with him. that's the only reason i called in. man to man to address my disagreement with his teachings.. not to get clout. i didn't even know he would post this video

[@renogerman1649]

@@christianforreal he posted this video without your consent? that ain't right man

[@christianforreal]

@@renogerman1649 it was public on his live so it was already public before on his live stream. He just chopped up the live and uploaded this separately which isn't wrong. No worries

[@EPH-611mjp]

@@christianforreal Hey brother, check sunday at the arena sermon from a couple weeks ago. At a bit over 6 minutes to the end Pastor Philip shares the pure Gospel as clear as possible. I have to agree with the original poster brother please ask God to search your heart. Your lengths to call him out (incorrectly) and the manner in which you go about it is uncalled for and hurting the Body of Christ. Remember bro we are a Body and need to work as a whole with our respective strengths. Romans 14:19, Ephesians 4:29, Isaiah 5:20, a few scriptures to consider. God bless

[@EPH-611mjp]

From the end I meant so a bit before 1 hr 44 min time

[@TheBloodGospel]

Great job brother Corey

[@AWarriorForChrist]

James talks about this. It’s not simply saying that we believe but putting our faith in action. Believe is an action, faith is action, obedience is an action. By doing all of these it shows that we’re putting our faith in Jesus and his finish work on the cross, causing us to be saved. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.

[@KimFuller-fh5bw]

Belief is not an action. It is mental ascent and simple acceptance which does not require an action. Ephesians 2:8-9 says that we’re not saved by works or ourselves. It is a gift of God and the gift of God is found in Romans 6:23.

[@KimFuller-fh5bw]

James 2 is talking about being profitable to others and justifying yourselves before men and salvation is not offered to demons unlike humans. Salvation is a gift and God’s gifts are irrevocable (Romans 11:29) meaning that he won’t take it back. Good works are for helping others, blessings, fellowship, rewards, and to avoid God’s chastisement (Hebrews 12:8) not to be or stay saved.

[@barrygreen9964]

@@KimFuller-fh5bw Agree, for Salvation according to the Word of God, we are to believe the Gospel of Christ. Rom 1:16 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. This shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

[@GiftofGrace88]

Romans 4 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

[@ERB88]

To “believe” in Christ is to do what He says. If you believe, you will do.

[@christianforreal]

to believe just means to believe. as in being persuaded something is true. such as the death burial and resurrection. Jesus being God. shedding His blood for the remission of sins. etc. if you're persuaded that's true. that's belief. you're changing the meaning of the word

[@Redeemed_by_chr1st]

Cory, I’d love to call in and have a convo with you. I learn so much from your page. Thank you for your ministry. I also heard a bit of your story too. It’s refreshing to see what God has done in your life. Keep going, brother.

[@MrIAMTHESIR]

You're absolutely correct, Corey

[@GodFearingg]

The title of this video should be called “2 once saved always saved fools collaborating”

[@KSP365]

The overuse of Greek and Hebrew can cause a lot of confusion. If those who translated the scriptures didn’t do a proper elucidation of scripture then they missed the mark and will cause a lot to meet that same fate. Since a good amount of translators seem to have different interpretations it can make it easy for an individual to be tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine (Eph 4:14). I trust the simplicity of the Gospel, because God speaks simple truth, to simple men. Also, the ordinary man and child can understand. That being said, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house (Acts 16:30-33). The English version (KJV) is sufficient.

[@darz2033]

Free Grace theology is the view that, 1) everlasting life is a free gift (which the Lord Jesus fully paid for by His death on the cross for our sins) which is received by faith alone in Christ alone, apart from works of any kind; 2) that assurance of one’s eternal destiny is based solely on believing Jesus’ promise to the believer and not at all on our works or on our feelings; and 3) that all people, believers and unbelievers, are accountable for their works, receive recompense for what they do in this life, and will be judged at the end of the age (in two separate judgments) to determine degrees of reward (believers) or degrees of torment (unbelievers) in the life to come, but not to determine their eternal destinies.

[@Lovely-vd5ss]

Just got on, God bless brothers!

[@Redeemed_by_chr1st]

Christian Forreal, when we do works it’s because the fruits of the spirit. Not because we have to do good works to be saved. The salvation has already taken place. We obey and deny ourselves and resist temptation and everything else that glorifies God out of gratitude for what Christ has already done for us. It’s Christ who has done the work. His work is finished and we work because we love Him. We must remember though that even our works are Jesus’ works because apart from Him we cannot do it.

[@barrygreen9964]

We are saved by Grace not of works. Eph 2:8-9. But many stop reading there. If you read the very next verse you will see, we are God's workman unto all good works. Eph 2:10 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Here is what Grace teaches us. Titus 2: 11-15 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. To God be the Glory

[@Redeemed_by_chr1st]

@ amen! We were created for good works. You’re right oftentimes we forget Ephesians 2:10

[@GiftofGrace88]

@@Redeemed_by_chr1st It says 'should'. Of course, you should do good works. However, good works has nothing to do with salvation. Stop backloading works into salvation. It is not about you. You know you have eternal life if you believe the record God gave us about his Son. Stop making it confusing and complicated. 1 John 2 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 1 John 5 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

[@Redeemed_by_chr1st]

@ I agree with the word. I don’t agree with that other crap you’re talking about. I don’t believe in works based salvation. I believe we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, based on the scripture alone, for the glory of God alone. I believe that when a person is saved they’re always saved. The believer is in Christ’s hands. He gives us eternal life and nothing can snatch us out of his hand. I also believe we were created for good works Ephesians 2:10. Our works don’t save us, no. But are works for the glory of God and it’s a gauge for one’s spiritual maturity. By God’s grace I’m going to do good works.

[@RealTr0y]

Corey can u please explain to me why your interpretation of the Greek in John 3:16 contradicts what Jesus told the woman at the well in the very next chapter? U say it’s continual belief, and yet Jesus told her it was as simple as drinking water one time? He did the same when he claimed to be the bread of life, and did the same when he said that he needed to be lifted up as the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness. If it was continual belief, why did he make these examples?

[@smartchristians]

There is no contradiction and you are confused. Jesus said that there would well up in you a well of living water, this causes a continual belief. It is ridiculous to think that if you stop believing then you are saved. If at death you are not a believer in Christ then you are not and were never saved. The person who believes temporarily (Luke 8) is not a true believer

[@RealTr0y]

@@smartchristians What a ridiculous interpretation of that passage. U impose ur own doctrine on the passage, while getting on other people about letting the passage speak for itself? Did Jesus say that the one drink would mean continual drinking? Or did he say that the one drink would spring up into everlasting life? And that one drink would mean they would never thirst again, which means they would never have to drink again? And u didn't address any of my other points, and I wonder why. Smart Christian channel lmaooo, yall want anything to boast about to Christ in that day. "Oh but look Lord i continually believed on you". Laughable

[@jonathangomez3182]

@@RealTr0y the guy forgot to read Ephesians 1:13-14 and 2 Timothy 2:13

[@RealTr0y]

@ ye I was gonna bring up 2 timothy 2:13 but I just know he’s gonna try and use the previous verse as a “erm acktchually”. And that’s where I just lose interest cuz it’s a waste of everyone’s time to go back and forth with someone who’s so prideful that he will compete to make the Bible contradict itself. Not worth the time or energy

[@workinabroad]

I agree with the "grace through faith alone" due to scripture.

[@cjwhite6846]

I love this, at least dude seems teachable and not arrogant

[@j.clements2093]

But dude is right.

[@christianforreal]

​@@Toasxy Its a different dynamic on my own channel. I speak with authority because I know the truth. Here I'm on Coreys channel. Therefore Im not going to try and control the conversation. It's his time and his platform I'm on so I'm going to respect that.

[@johntrevett2944]

He is equipped with the truth. It's Jesus Plus nothing. It's very simple.

[@rontwyman9286]

So practice the Fruit of the Spirit

[@RealTr0y]

@@rontwyman9286 do you even listen to what he says? 😭 he absolutely does. Tell me why his interpretation of the Greek in John 3:16 contradicts what Jesus tells the woman at the well in the very next chapter? What Jesus describes in John 4:13-14 is very much a one time, instant salvific event that cannot be reversed, but according to Corey u have to be continually believing?

[@SpaceMarine777]

If you cant see that going back and forth to different languages to make your argument effectively redefining words to force fit your theology is a huge issue idk what to tell you. God made it simple, yet let us filthy men make him a liar. Anyone who is honest with themselves and has lived this Christian life has realized they will battle this filthy flesh till the day we die. Ask yourself are you still sinning???? Praise God its paid for if you believe. If its up to us we will fail. If its up to him we will win. Romans 4:5 KJV But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 3:22-24 KJV Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[@TheBlubunni]

Amen. The "faith" of Christ.

[@TheEmptyeye]

@6:45-8:06 SCC keeps saying that John 3:16 means that “those who are believing in Jesus *WOULD* never perish” or *”WILL never ever ever* perish”, but the verse says: “…that whosoever believeth in him *SHOULD* (ἀπόληται-apollymi) not perish” ἀπόληται-apollymi (perish or be destroyed) In John 3:16 is written in the subjunctive. Greek subjunctive mood: The mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described *may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances.* 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him *should not perish,* but have everlasting life.

[@raymondwhite982]

We don't need the Greek all we need is the revelation of Jesus Christ KJV Bible 1 Peter 13-14 1 John 2 vs 27 all we need is the annoiting

[@marcgotcalledout4058]

Corey how are you doing with your discipleship? You got enough under your belt to prove that you’re saved? In your actions, thought life, private life, motives etc? Have you obeyed enough? “Not perfect obedience” (double talk). How much then?

[@smartchristians]

Who is talking about a conditional salvation?

[@muppetonmeds]

The life we live shows what we truly believe. Do you truly believe your sins nailed Jesus to the cross? Take care

[@ContendformyFaith]

​@@muppetonmedsAmen

[@armanifryeowens5518]

@@muppetonmeds but ultimately off you trust the way you live over the objective word of God, then who are you trusting then ?

[@muppetonmeds]

@@armanifryeowens5518 There is a verse in the Bible that seems like it says once you believe then bam you have the holy Ghost and it's game over you won't ever be lost. This is true but it is a process. How do we know? Some believers just like you came to John the Baptise. And he asks them this question. Have you received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? They believed but hadn't received the Holy Ghost yet. Once a person receives God and they have accepted his leadership in their lives. they love him and obey his commandments. We won't ever be perfect but the last thing we would want to do is hurt him. Then our actions are not about works it's about faith and love and following his leadership in our lives. Then it becomes about him and not of ourselves and this is what love is. Take care

[@badboy-dv4lf]

what greek translation are you using please.

[@CrowNo3t1c]

Yes. One of the other things that I noticed in conversation with a couple of "free-grace believers" is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is given to believers to cause us to walk in God's statutes and teach us is never considered. I mentioned this online to someone like the young guy you were talking to and got blocked. Even as Christ himself says that we will be known by our fruit.

[@RealTr0y]

@@CrowNo3t1c If ur saying that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit automatically caused the believer to walk in those statutes, then tell me why most of the New Testament writings are about the apostles exhorting believers to walk in said statutes. If it automatically happened, why did they spend their time writing to “brethren” about doing good works and abstaining from sin? James 2 is such a popular verse for people desperate to justify themselves by looking at their flesh, and yet James 2 wouldn’t exist or need to exist if what ur claiming is true. Did the Holy Spirit writing these things through the apostles waste their time or did it lie when calling these individuals brethren?

[@christianforreal]

Good works are not automatic..you forget we have free will. We are admonished to put off the old man and put on the new man. We wouldn't be consistently reminded to walk in the Spirit if it was automatic. Proof it's not automatic are the carnal Christians in the new testament churches such as Corinth and Thessalonica

[@CrowNo3t1c]

@RealTr0y The point of saying that you believe that you are saved without showing any signs of good works (as in the result of your salvation and NOT the cause of it) is extremely problematic to justify. Especially when you take scripture (including what Christ himself says) into consideration. So if you don't believe that the Spirit aids us in conviction, discipleship, good works, etc., that raises an alarm.

[@RealTr0y]

@ Roman’s 4:5 is problematic to you? Then you have a problem with the simplicity of the gospel, don’t know what to tell ya. 2 Corinthians 11:3

[@LawrenceStroman]

@@RealTr0yit’s not problematic because Romans 4:5 is a passage about justification. We see progressive sanctification in Abraham’s life because he truly trusted and believed God. Hebrews 11 also says that Abraham and so many others believed, so they did works.

[@jimoyler1780]

When you are saved you then become a disciple. They are two different things based on progress in a believer's through justification and sanctification.

[@unworthyServant08]

Agreed. However, it's also important to not separate them. When we do, we have the sort of thinking that christian forreal was trying to highlight before. How can we say we believe, yet our actions, thoughts and speech do not align with that belief? Same way that justification and sanctification are not separate, but all part of the same savign work of God in those who believe: Romans 8:29-30: For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

[@christianforreal]

​​@@unworthyServant08what actions align with being saved? If salvation isnt by our actions then how can our actions be connected to salvation 🤔 Christ did the work. We do good works out of love. But those works are not evidence of being saved. Other religions do good deeds too but theyre not saved because they don't believe.

[@jimoyler1780]

@unworthyServant08 I think there's a hyper side to any group. I follow Christ and trust him fully.

[@unworthyServant08]

Our actions, our fruit, are reflective of the salvific work of Christ in us. Remember that we are being grafted into the Tree of Life that is Christ. Also, God’s Spirit is at work in us, causing us to will and to do what pleases our Heavenly Father. For example: when John was proclaiming repentance, the Israelites would ask him what they must do to live out their repentance, to which he gave examples, all of which are rooted in the two commandments Christ said are most important: to love God entirely, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Works don’t save, but works are invariably part and parcel of a life redeemed by Christ. They are how we express our gratitude to God, how we obey Him. Also, while discipleship includes works, discipleship is about loving the submitted life before Christ, our Master, which is what we were saved for.

[@jimoyler1780]

@unworthyServant08 Seeing that Christ is Lord and does these works in us, belief in that he is would be my reasonable response.

[@Tony-t5d]

AMEN!!!

[@heathpendlebury6133]

Do christians have genuine free will after salvation

[@thenowchurch6419]

To me this is real simple. If a person accepts Justification by Faith but then does not follow through by cooperating in sanctification, he or she is not saved. Salvation must be maintained by continual Faith also called abiding in Christ.

[@christianforreal]

Then that means it's on you to keep your salvation; which contradicts John 10:28

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@christianforreal Scripture says it is on you to keep abiding in Christ. Being justified does not mean your free will has been removed. Scripture clearly says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and warns us to avoid temptations and succumbing to them. So, no this is not a contradiction of John 10:28.

[@5hrimp_Nachos]

@@thenowchurch6419 Fear and trembling 21 And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him: and he was nigh unto the sea. 22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet, 23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live. 24 And Jesus went with him; and much people followed him, and thronged him. 25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse, 27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. 28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. 29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. 30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? 31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? 32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing. 33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth. 34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague. Psalm 2 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. The fear and trembling is representation of awe of Gods power not a fear of condemnation.

[@christianforreal]

@@thenowchurch6419 workout your salvation doesn't mean to work for your salvation

[@palmwine2011]

You need to read Galatians 2:16?

[@crazycatman5928]

Ephesians 2:8-9 never leave out verse 10

[@colinrimple3964]

Very humble & teachable guess. However Hebrews 12 [14]Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. [15]See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. 1 Peter 4 [18]And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” Matthew 5 [20]For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 23 [5]“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; [6]they love the place of honour at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; [7]they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others. 1 Peter 5 [6]Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. [7]Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.

[@FoeMillion]

I had watched this brother’s video about Corey the other day & hoped for him to have a conversation. Corey’s not over complicating the Gospel whatsoever never taught that works is what saves us but I’m starting to realize Free Gracers hate to hear someone being looked at with discernment because of their lack of obedience 🤔

[@christianforreal]

I like to be obedient to God's Holy commandments. I just know my obedience is a personal choice and is not evidence of my salvation

[@TheAirassualt]

​@@christianforrealAmen Brother

[@FoeMillion]

@@christianforreal but did you like to be obedient to God before being saved? If not then wouldn’t that mean it’s evidence of you being saved? 🤔

[@michaelharrison8586]

Obedience is evidence of the regeneration and indwelling of the Holy Spirit that happens when a person is saved. When God saves us he doesn't just justify us in his sight he also does a work on the inside to change us into his image(Romans 8:29). No, works before and after justification aren't necessary to keep your justified state. That's true. Living a holy life is a fruit of being born again. Even though we're required to cooperate with God to live out our faith.

[@FoeMillion]

@@michaelharrison8586 so… evidence of being saved it sounds like lol

[@Fleurier0522]

Wow😮

[@colinrimple3964]

Hebrews 12 [14]Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. [15]See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. 1 Peter 4 [18]And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” Matthew 5 [20]For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 23 [5]“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; [6]they love the place of honour at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; [7]they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others. 1 Peter 5 [6]Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. [7]Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.

[@stevenmares1553]

16:00. It’s easy to tell if they are saved and a brother in Christ. “Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12‬:‭3‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@DavidS-i7j]

Hello Corey, where can I reach you. I have good reason to believe this guest you have on is someone we absolutely must protect the flock from.

[@caryt59]

"Free Grace" is the Antinomian view of the gospel.

[@christianforreal]

Free grace is free grace Romans 3:24 kjv 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[@rosemarietolentino3218]

Can we give a good account of why we believe?

[@Allglorybeto-God]

Just got done having a conversation with some other Christians about this. They believed in a free view.

[@madsaez]

No two Christians are the same. No two walks are the same. We develop like a baby at different paces. Paul taught standing and state. 2 Timothy 2:20 KJVS [20] But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. Bible in English is pretty to understand. All these vessels ARE in the house but they all don’t shine. Believe and be saved.

[@fleet9017]

Can one be saved with a DEAD FAITH IN CHRIST ?

[@BigNate27100]

This the dude who was questioning Pastor Mitchell? I just started the video so forgive me if they get to that subject at some point.

[@christianforreal]

pastor Mitchell is just a man and he can surely be questioned

[@arlenedixon2547]

Good one

[@JosePerez-888]

how are people not understanding what Brother Corey is saying? it ain't about works ,but dont you want to put your best foot forward for Christ daily ? you dont just accept Christ and then continue your old ways , "like yep im saved i can do whatever " if you're thinking like that , than I'm sorry to tell you , but you're a certified goober haha .. Corey keep doing the awesome work brother ! God Bless

[@marcgotcalledout4058]

I understand wanting to be a disciple after salvation but not all people were like that in the Bible look at the church of Corinth. Have you done enough to certify your salvation ?

[@RealTr0y]

ur the one not understanding what we’re saying. None of us are saying u should go and do the same things u were doing before. This slander that u guys love to perpetuate is the same slander the apostles and early church were dealing with (Roman’s 3:8). Of course u should do good, that’s just common sense in the world nowadays. It just has 0 to do with your salvation. If ur only doing good works cuz ur scared that ur daddy is gonna throw u in hell, that is wicked. U don’t do them out of love, u do them out of fear of what might happen if u don’t.

[@christislord137]

​@RealTr0y we should fear God and revere Him, but I agree. It's not about how many works or how good someone is, there is no way for any of us to honestly judge that with someone and no way of knowing how God will use them in the course of their life. If they proclaim Christ as Lord and believe He died for our sins and conquered the grave, they are saved as far as we can know and honestly judge. All good works we do after being saved are already appointed by God anyhow beforehand. We don't even control them in that sense. God planned em out for us to carry out with the Holy Spirit guiding us.

[@RealTr0y]

@ I agree we should fear and revere Him, which is why I also believe Him when He says I can do nothing to save myself and I can only rely on His grace and love. People who think their works are playing a part in their salvation, don’t truly fear and revere Him. The NT tells us not to fear Him so I’m just wondering what u mean by fearing Him?

[@christislord137]

@@RealTr0y In Luke, Jesus is telling a parable about an unjust judge who didn't fear God. Fear in the context of reverance and awe, which the greek word for fear can/does mean. So we are to fear God in that sense. Not as in run and hide from Him. And like I pointed out, I agree our works don't play a part in our salvation. We only do said works because we are saved and God planned them in advance.

[@crazyvoice12]

I feel like there were alot of unnecessary explaining here. It's Jesus' performance or perfect living that secures our salvation when we believe on Him. Our performance or right doing is as filthy rags. Jesus did the living right - He fulfilled the law. Jesus took sin upon Himself, bore the punishment, and fully atoned for sin- death, burial, resurrection. He represents us to the Father - He seated at the right hand of the father. This is why our Salvation is by grace(God did all the work through Jesus), By Faith(We believe what He did), we are saved. Now we spend our life renewing our mind and conforming to His word. Until his return, we have to contend with the flesh but our spirit(Completely saved)is sealed by the Holy Spirit. After being saved, sin no longer disrupts your right standing with God but it can definitely destroy your earthly experience.

[@workinabroad]

And it can destroy your treasures in heaven. We will still be judged, but it won't be a matter of salvation. 1 Cor. 11:32, 2 Cor 5:10

[@OnewaytoHoliness-lc4di]

Wow brother, you still haven’t took down channel? Didn’t apostle Gino’s debunk you on once saved and always saved and also C rock smooth?

[@dalightmaiso1553]

There is a hint of salvation

[@JohnnyR10011]

So far everyone of them ive talked to they all had one thing in common. They still love their sin. You cannot serve 2 masters you either love the one and hate the other. Be loyal to the one and despise the either. As long as they love their sin then they hate Jesus.

[@georgecoleman1181]

So simple child can do it so a child needs to know the Hebrew

[@TheBlubunni]

Amen.

[@Spuckley.]

Some serious bible gymnastics

[@krislaplante8055]

It’s quite sad to see this comment section with the amount of pride within all of you, God made the scripture simple yet life altering for the better. This right here proves it’s not of the devil and that the flesh will always twist, defend and offend with pride, but will not humble themselves. Bums me out, I haven’t seen one comment in here that resembles anything of Christ. I am praying for everyone to humble themselves and agree to disagree, apologize and encourage each other , love y’all may God bless everyone and have a Merry Christmas as well. 🙏❤️

[@TheLaymansSeminary]

I’ll be replying soon

[@EnduranceinChristJesus]

All our flesh still loves sin .

[@theleastofthese5369]

9:15 right there... Mic drop

[@EnduranceinChristJesus]

Lol😅 they out there

[@denisemalcolm1032]

Deny yourself daily means to discredit your HUMANISTIC values, thoughts, feelings, and the philosophies engrained in your mind and THEN you must know and adopt His thoughts, daily. ANY TIME YOUR THOUGHTS DISAGREE WITH HIS YOU ARE IN SIN

[@TheBigOxUchia]

Corey that was a symatic at 6:50. Y'all both clearly said the same thing.

[@j.clements2093]

I’m team Christian on this one. Corey, have you read Luther’s commentary on Galatians? “If men only believe enough in Christ they can commit adultery and murder a thousand times a day without periling their salvation.” Other Bible scholars like RC Sproul and Robert Capon preached the same. Billy Graham’s old friend, Dr. Steve Brown of Key Life, puts it this way, “The good news is that Christ frees us from the need to obnoxiously focus on our goodness, our commitment, and our correctness. Religious has made us obsessive almost beyond endurance. Jesus invited us to a dance...and we've turned in into a march of soldiers, always checking to see if we're doing it right and are in step and in line with the other soldiers. We know a dance would be more fun, but we believe we must go through hell to get to heaven, so we keep marching.” Steve is practically the only preacher I know who gets it. You should reach out to him. He’s very busy but is famous for always giving time and prioritizing preachers.

[@-Thelordismyshepherd-]

Jesus said “few” will enter in… It all comes down to sin. The Word of God says; If you still sin, He doesn’t know you yet. Take heed.

[@SocietyReviews]

If we have to stop sinning to go to Heaven, everyone is going to Hell

[@-Thelordismyshepherd-]

@ I think you have to “change your mind” on that view… Do you believe you will sin until you pass?

[@christianforreal]

@@-Thelordismyshepherd- if you're going to hell based on your sin after you're saved.. then you better be 100% perfect and not sin even once after you're saved.. James 2:10 King James Version 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[@SocietyReviews]

@@-Thelordismyshepherd- "Do you believe you will sin until you pass?" Yes, because we are not removed from sin in our mortal bodies. We do not have to become sinless to be saved, otherwise Jesus died for nothing. BTW, he didn't just die for the elect either...

[@-Thelordismyshepherd-]

@@christianforreal Is a believer under the law?

[@jarreloliveira2931]

Not Corey using behoove in a conversation haha

[@askIsrael]

This 3 scriptures solves the problem in this debate. Please read them in the order in which they appear here. Thanks: 1. Act2:38 2. Act 19:1-6 and finally 3. Ephesians 1:13.

[@dalightmaiso1553]

Corey, conditional salvation is not salvation. It is another Gospel that you are preaching

[@jtbtdlkt2012]

@dalightmaiso1553 I missed that part of this convo! Did Corey mention anything about conditional salvation? Brother Corey keeps rejecting Calvinism but he's saying all the right things....just come on over, we have plenty of room brother. I get it though, when you add labels you necessarily create barriers for other believers (the unlearned ones, that's a half joke) and this could be the reason.

[@RealTr0y]

@@jtbtdlkt2012the condition is that they need to be continually believing. Even tho that contradicts with what Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well. One drink will be a well springing up into everlasting life. John 4:13-14. It’s such a strange condition to put on salvation. Ig people want to have anything to boast about to Christ.

[@jtbtdlkt2012]

@RealTr0y I believe this stems from a different foundation that we start on for salvation. One view (the view that seems to catch a ton of flack) says that salvation starts from God (regeneration precedes faith) and the more popular view says that salvation starts from man (man enacts faith and becomes regenerated). So what happens is that we talk past each other like passing ships at night, case in point right here. What seems like a condition for you is a fruit for the reformed view; NEEDS to continue in faith would be rephrased as "WILL continue in faith if God regenerated their heart". It's like trying to make sense of a calculus equation by using a Spanish text book.

[@michaelharrison8586]

​@RealTr0y Is the initial faith to receive salvation, and be saved, considered a condition and thus make salvation conditional? Is salvation just being justified before a holy God and escaping his wrath?

[@RealTr0y]

@@michaelharrison8586 Are you going to address the scripture I brought up in my initial reply or are you just here to try and contradict scripture with your philosophical rants?

[@dreday7204]

Corey I really love you and appreciate the work that you do, but you sir are not the Standard! Are you really trying to tell us that we need to know Greek and Hebrew to understand John 3:16? That's crazy because your Greek interpretation is fairly similar to the English translation. You're acting like there's some kind of extreme contrast smh. Maybe some Bible scholars would say that, " the believing ones" is implied information for those who BELIEVE!!! 🙏🏽😁

[@WK23]

Knowledge puffs. I'm about 8 min in and you don't let the guy talk...

[@thetruthseekerswithrandymc5850]

I think what Christian for real is missing is that yes we are saved by grace through faith but then God does a supernatural work in our hearts to make us want to follow Him and obey him. I think he is missing the change of heart part that comes with the new birth.

[@GiftofGod289]

You’re going to sin every single day of your life-every day-a hundred, nay, a thousand times. Every time you pass someone at the store and you fail to give them the Gospel, you’ve sinned. Every single foolish, fleeting thought is a sin. And each and every one of those entitles you to everlasting hellfire. James 2:10. After belief, you have a dual nature: your flesh remains and it will sin every single day, and you also have the new man (inner man), who is sinlessly perfect, righteous, and loved as a son. That nature cannot sin. We do not need to show a “change of heart” (whatever that means) to be saved. We do not need to do anything, other than simply believe in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. 1 Cor. 15:1-4; John 3:16.

[@thetruthseekerswithrandymc5850]

@@GiftofGod289 Why do you keep reading these verses without context? John 3 Talks about being born again or born from above, so the change of heart is there. God changes the heart, believing it's not intellectual. It produces works. James 3. Saving faith produces good works. True believers will live for Christ. That is what Matthew 7 is about. Read the verses in context, my friend.

[@christianforreal]

Galatians 5:17 King James Version 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

[@3BadBostons]

Corey, read your Bible. Yes you can be a Christian without looking like one. You think everyone that "gets saved" loves Jesus? That comes with time. NOT EVERY BELIEVER IS A DISCIPLE!!!! John 3 is a story about how Nicodemus was a child of God even though in all his religious learning didn't UNDERSTAND salvation. I used to listen to Corey but he has gone off the deep end and refuses to even reason from scripture, just listen to which one of these guys is full of Grace. Corey you have too much learning and you are not letting God speak to you, your education has damaged your humility. Meditate on the Word, wisdom comes from God, not Bible school. Corey isn't even interested in another view because...? Why are we worrying about who is and who isn't saved? Didn't Jesus tell us the tares would grow with us and He would separate us at the end of days. So so foolish. Corey, your theology seems to have devolved. I don't think your guest here is right about everything but he definitely "looks" more Christlike than you. Pride kills faith. Why do you care if someone is saved or not? Salvation is 100% God's work, you make it our work. Corey, stop with the logic and let God speak.

[@melliemel32]

But Corey…that still means God gave Jesus bc He loves the world. Yes, AND that we would never perish. It’s both. 🙏🏽✝️. However, Jesus also said “If you love Me, you’ll keep my commandments.” We gotta ask the Holy Spirit to help us LIVE a HOLY life! God bless!

[@smartchristians]

did God love the world before Jesus birth and death? Of course he did. This is basic grammar, English or Greek. He gave His son "so that" (which explains the reason) that the believing ones will never perish. If it were just for the world, then the entire world would be saved.

[@bullybroadcast3474]

It’s hard to love your enemie walking around fruit inspecting the way Corey talks about it. It seems subjective deciding what sins prove to you someone is not saved vs how they actually changed and continue to get better. We don’t know peoples heart or past to try and prove who is saved or not. Examine yourself and yes we can help our brothers but they are brothers we aren’t the one to decide if they are saved or not. We would never know only God knows that. The Bible tells us how to examine someone’s fruit to see if they are a false teacher. But the Bible also tells us to examine ourselves not to examine others to see if they are saved or not. It’s very hard to love people genuinely while walking around with those glasses on.

[@pjsepulved]

John 3:16 is a situation where Jesus is speaking to Jews. and yes, Jews were required to believe and to never stop believing. Okay got it. And the same goes for Luke 9:23. Now does Paul say that? No he doesn’t. Why. Because Paul was not preaching what Jesus preached to the Jews. It’s that simple. The young man is right. We should obey. We should live a good Christian life. Because Apostle Paul says we should. But whether we do or not our salvation is not dependent on it. Jesus makes salvation dependent on works/conduct/obedience etc. because Jesus preached a different gospel. Notice how Corey snuck in ,” we don’t do it perfectly” in regards to living a Christian life. Jesus never gives that out. And Corey tells us what the real point is. In Luke 9:23 Corey quotes it and then says it doesn’t mean what it says. The verse literally says daily. But according to Corey it doesn’t really mean that. You cont have your cake and eat it too. In regards to repentance I don’t believe Paul ever requires repentance as part of the process of salvation. Is repentance innately tied to salvation. I’d say yes. But Pual does not make it a condition. Jesus does. Why because he was preaching and teaching to Jews. Jews who were called to be a royal priesthood. And there are people who know they’re saved because of what Christ has done and because of what they themselves are doing. Like Corey. Corey looks at his life and he is sure that he is saved. Because his life is reflecting that of a saved person. I look up my life, and I know I am saved because I believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ alone. See the difference? I get it. Corey means well and he wants Christians to behave consistent with their faith. All good I like it me too. But praise God our conduct has nothing to do with our salvation.

[@jtbtdlkt2012]

@pjsepulved you're conflating what Corey said; why would you assume he doesn't believe in the life, burial and resurrection for his salvation? I like how you're intentional on context for those verses, that's awesome but are you consistent? Will you hold yourself to the same standard when someone mentions verses about being dead in sins or that by nature you are a child of wrath, or even "that you must be born from above". You see, in those texts I get the feeling you'll do exactly what you accuse Corey of doing and you'll be tempted to say "those words don't really mean what it says". This is just an assumption because for all I know you may very well 10000% agree that those texts mean exactly what they say; that we're spiritually dead and can't initiate our own new life, that our nature is against God and we'll never choose God on our own accord, and that we can't birth ourselves anymore that we could birth ourself into the temporal realm.

[@pjsepulved]

@ I’m sure Corey does believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for salvation. And he also examines his life to ensure that he is living according to his faith. He said as much. And that’s fine. As we all should. But to determine if oneself is saved by analyzing one’s life, that’s the problem. Being logical about that means a Christian must examine his works to determine whether his works are sufficient for sustaining salvation. Now, if that person is comforted by his works for maintaining salvation, it follows that same person is trusting in their works to some degree. And no longer trusting in only in Christ. I personally say that I trust in Christ and Christ alone for my salvation. I have God’s seal upon me and it cannot be removed. I can do nothing to earn salvation and I can do nothing to sustain it. There’s a difference in these two views. And it’s significant. Many Christians are not comfortable with my position. I get it. They want to be involved in their salvation to some degree or in some way. Not me. Christ has done all the work. And all sin has been forgiven at the shedding of his blood. All sin. And apostle Paul says that now that we are Christians, we are dead to the old man alive to the new and we should move in life according to our faith in Christ. And those works that survive the judgment fire, gold, silver, and precious stones will be rewarded but the Hay chaff and stubble will be burned up.

[@jtbtdlkt2012]

@pjsepulved I get what you're saying. I think your disdain for a certain doctrine, even though brother Corey doesn't claim to be one, clouds your vision on anything those types of Christians say. I see no fault at all in what you've expressed since it accords with calvinism and I'm sure no self respecting calvinist would find fault in it. I know that I'm saved for the very reasons that you posited. From my end, "inspecting" the fruits helps me as a father because I can match my daughter's profession of faith against what comes out in their life; their speech, disposition, attitude, kindness etc. All this to say, if they were to backslide or stumble I could walk alongside them and point to what Christ has done in their lives. For my stepson that's a bit different since he made a profession of faith early on in his youth and shortly thereafter his life seemed to take a turn for the worst, by not at all showing any fruits of the spirit no love for the things of God etc. In that I was able to minister to him and eventually get to a point where we continually pray for his salvation. Had I not done the work of a parent by "inspecting fruit" I would have no need or desire to pray for his salvation (as a family we're going on 5-6 years of faithfully praying for that) since I would have assumed he was saved to begin with; I don't know if he is or not but I'm 99.9% he isn't. If fruit inspection good, I'd say in the sense of knowing how to pray for someone I'd say it is very good.

[@michaelharrison8586]

What does 2 Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-unless indeed you fail to meet the test!" mean?

[@pjsepulved]

@@michaelharrison8586 why are you quoting this verse at me? I believe Christians should be sober about their salvation. That they should grow in the understanding of the gospel. All Christians should make sure they have the right gospel. Paul warn us about false gospels that are not gospels at all.

[@CoCo8102.]

I also "believed" when I was 8 years old and I "accepted Jesus into my heart" and repeated "the sinner's prayer". I went on to live a life of sin for more than 24 years but even then I said I was a Christian. I was a false convert but the Lord saved me solely because of His grace and He alone granted me the gifts of repentance and faith as His Word says. The Holy Spirit has guided me all this time and has done His marvelous works in me, and yes even the desire for holiness. If we're in Christ then our actions have to come naturally from the Lord because He is the only One that can change our nature. If you love what you use to hate and hate what you use to love then you've been born again by the Spirit of God because He loves you in Jesus Christ and the Father is most glorified in all of this. God bless.

[@hebrewrld]

🤲🏾✝️

[@cwilson0713]

Yes Amen❤❤❤

[@Tdav424]

If you believed that Christ died for your sins and rose again you weren’t a false convert even if you lived in sin.

[@CoCo8102.]

@@Tdav424 Matthew 7: 17-20 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. Matthew 7: 21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ 1 John 3: 4-6 4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Galatians 5: 21 and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Romans 6: 1-4 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. If you live in sin (or continue in sin) then you haven't been saved. Those that live in sin or practice sin are still in the first Adam and they need to be put in the second Adam, Jesus Christ. They need to be born again of the Holy Spirit and be made new creations in Jesus Christ.

[@bobbychristopher8777]

Where is the sinners prayer in scripture?

[@Manofwar7]

When someone emphasizes the importance of the Hebrew or Greek I think of men who have died or suffered (Wycliff/Tyndale) if memory serves to provide the world with an English translation. There was a time when the commoner could not have a bible. Only the erudite (learned) of the church had the scripture. Gods providence changed all that! Often to hear some its as if it was all for not. While it may be and is good to be verse in the Hebrew or Greek its not necessary to have a sound grasp of the sacred scripture. My proof is the following: #1 many scholars which do understand will disagree on doctrinal issues. #2. Ask yourself how many theologians have "CHANGED" their eschatology, pnuematology, ecclesiology or soteriology based on a particular understanding of the original languages. Personally I have watched and listened to a myriads of theology debates and when someone wips out the Greek or Hebrew the debate is won SAID NO ONE EVER. Take Corey on John 3:16. To smart by a half the saying goes. Allow me to exegete the text. #1 God loves the world #2 God gave His Son #3 Whoseover believes shall not perish but have everlasting life. To be fair to Corey there is MORE to that. Such as needing to "continuing" to believe. But that is resolved with a biblical hermeneutic of scripture interprets scripture. Other versus such 1 John "He is a propitiation for our sins and the whole world". Scripture says He died for all especially for those that believe. Nowhere does the English translations not suffice unless one wants to come off as erudite. One should use it sparangly if absolutely needed in my opinion. Few things sound as silly as when a minister breaks down the meaning in the "original" only to present basically a synonym😅

[@Hakeem597]

Naji is a heretic....just watched one of his videos....I tried to give him a chance...He is obsessed with Philip Anthony Mitchel at the moment and he said something that was heretical (He is Hyper Free Grace). He stated that all you need to do is believe Christ, but to follow him you can either choose to do so or not (to which he said you can be a bad disciple; which means you are not a disciple)....mark and avoid this man!

[@christianforreal]

you're twisting what i said.. i am not telling people they should be a bad disciple. I'm simply saying that after salvation we have to make a free will choice when it comes to following. Peter was being a bad disciple when rejected Christ 3 times. Was he not?

[@Hakeem597]

​@@christianforreal You said that in your video..."you can be saved and be a bad disciple or a good disciple" you did NOT put it in the context, you made it sound a person can live their life opposite of what Christ commands and they are saved (that is the doctrine of hyper free grace, which is what you follow)...if you are a bad disciple, then you aren't saved. Ezekiel 36:25-27. Verse 27 states: "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them." These are things God causes a person to do....a wicked person cannot do them....their heart is bad....a bad heart cannot turn itself good. "A bad tree cannot produce good fruit." So a "bad" disciple is not saved if they aren't walking in His (God's) statutes according to the good works God prepared beforehand (Ephesians 2:10)....but your heretical teaching would call that "Works". Like Cory said, Matthew 16:24 "Deny yourself" is a command (Aorist imperative) and do so daily...but again, your heretical doctrine calls that "Works"... You are so worried about defending your reputation more than you are preaching the truth (to which grace is free, but not what you teach)....all you do is go around chasing other people, pointing out "works" and using sound effects...You talked tough about Cory, but then when you came to his channel, you lost all of that energy....only to go back and return to your old ways. To answer your question about Peter, yes he did stumble, like we all do, and Peter did quite often...like we all do....but your doctrine says "aww, we don't need to ask for forgiveness when we fall..." When Christ commands we ask for forgiveness as believers for sins ("harmartias" is used in the Greek) (Luke 11:1-4).

[@Solly13]

Time to come out and explicitly say that you adhere to Calvinism, Corey… It’s evident.

[@JRake32]

When you rapid fire said “Nope” that you do not see a difference between salvation and discipleship, I left. You flunked Infant Theology 101.

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

The fundamental problem with the "free grace" movement is its proponents' failure to understand the meanings of the words translated as 'faith,' and 'grace' in the New Testament. What the "free grace" proponents (and few other Christians) realise is that the Greek verb πιστεύω (pisteuó), the noun πίστις (pistis), typically translated along the lines of 'believe' and 'faith/belief', the adjective πιστός (πιστός), respectively, concern _trusting faithulness_ , not just little more than cognitive belief and faith. It certainly has nothing to do with wishing hard or belief without evidence. Thus, it was Abraham's _trusting faithulness_ that was credited to him as righteousness (Romans 4:3), not his mere belief. Hence those who ascribe to the faith vs works dichotomy are really playing off belief against faithfulness and conflating faithfulness with works and tend to deprecate the call to the obedience of faithfulness (Romans 1:5; 16:26). Notably, the same translators who exhibit such insistence on rendering πίστις (pistis) as 'faith' or 'belief' and πιστεύω (pisteuó) as 'believe' when it applies to humans have no difficulty in rendering them as 'faithfulness' or 'entrust', respectively, when it applies to God and seemingly have no trouble rendering πιστός (πιστός) as trustworthy or faithful in relation to God and people alike. Today's church has been seriously misled by a false faith vs works dichotomy. What those who place these two New Testament concepts in opposition to each other are really doing is playing off faithfulness against works. One result of this false dichotomy is the tendency to deprecate the call to the obedience of faithfulness (Romans 1:5; 16:26). For a full treatment of πιστεύω (pisteuó), πίστις (pistis) and πιστός (πιστός) in their first century context, see _Roman Faith and Christian Faith: Pistis and Fides in the Early Roman Empire and Early Churches_ (Morgan, 2015). Similarly, the idea that everything is covered by God's grace and that this demands nothing of us is entirely false. In the first century grace, and its expression in the form of gifts existed in the context of reciprocal relationships; if someone did something for you, you were expected to make an appropriate response and failure to do so was an affront. Grace makes demands of the one on whom it is bestowed. Hence, failure to either acknowledge God's gift of salvation through trusting faithfulness (Ephesians 2:8), or to respond appropriately, is itself an offence. And, for what it's worth, all those references to the 'free gift' of God in Romans 5:15-17 & 6:23 in translations such as the ESV, GNT, NASB, NLT, NRSV & RSV are wrong: the word 'free' is not in the Greek text. Similarly, 'freely', as in "all are justified freely by his grace" in some translations of Romans 3:24 (e.g. GNT, ISV, KJV, NKJV, NIV) does not appear in the Greek text; the word there is δωρεάν (dórean), meaning 'gift', and the expression should be translated along the lines of "all are justified by his grace as a gift" (ESV). Likewise, in Ephesians 1:6, 'freely' in the GNT, NASB, NIV & NRSV isn't in the Greek text. The word used is χαριτόω (charitoó), meaning only 'to endow with grace'. In each case, translators have imported their modern notions of grace and gifts into the text. For a full treatment of gifts and grace in the first century context, especially in the writings of Paul, see _Paul and the Gift_ (Barclay, 2017) or _Paul and the Power of Grace_ (Barclay, 2020). God's saving grace is unconditioned, but it's not unconditional.

[@GiftofGod289]

Over 20 paragraphs, you distorted and confused your point so thoroughly that none can understand it. Wading through this ambiguous, hopelessly lost mess all but confirms that a timeless, almighty, omnipotent, omnipresent God would never subscribe to such a twisted theology. God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor. 14:33. We do not need to be interpreters and biblical scholars to understand the simplicity of the Gospel; even children understand it.

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

@GiftofGod289 Kindergarten level counting is evidently beyond you, so I guess I can't blame you for not being able to grasp the fundamental truths of Scripture. Let me put it for you at a very basic level with something Hudson Taylor famously said: _Jesus is Lord of All, or He is not Lord at All_

[@GiftofGod289]

@@Berean_with_a_BTh I still do not understand your point. The random quote does nothing to assist. Here’s my point and it’ll be clear and easy, like the Gospel: we do not need to do a single good deed or stop a single bad deed to be saved, prove we are saved, or keep us saved. All we have to do is believe that Christ died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and thereafter, no matter what I do, think, or say, I am permanently and eternally saved. Amen.

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

@GiftofGod289 That is heretical. Even the demons believe that much - and shudder (James 2:19). You really do need to pay more attention to what Scripture says and spend less time listening to what free grace heretics say. Start with Matthew 7:13-27.

[@GiftofGod289]

@ the demons do not believe the Gospel. Do not lie. They simply believe in monotheism-that there is one God: “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.” James 2:19.

[@GiftofGrace88]

2 Corinthians 11 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[@seven-in2je]

Please let the other guy talk....And anytime you do actually let him speak, you ask a rhetorical question that just adds to your point...

[@GiftofGrace88]

He obviously likes to talk over others and pontificate.

[@cassadycampbell1611]

you can’t trust your English Bible bro, You need to let Corey interpret for you in the Greek lol. According to Corey only around 80 people were saved because there were 70 disciples at one point that were sent out and then the original 12. I guess all those thousands of people that were preached to and just believed didn’t actually get saved because they weren’t disciples. I guess the thief on the cross wasn’t saved either because he wasn’t a disciple ☠️ it’s super obvious that Corey is backloading works to the simple gospel. He makes it extremely complicated when it’s such a simple thing, imagine Corey trying to preach to a young kid like this, they would have no idea what he’s even talking about. It’s not enough to just believe in Jesus, you must also do all of these other things, and know the Greek and Hebrew 😂

[@jtbtdlkt2012]

@cassadycampbell1611 you're referring to his exegesis of John 3:16?

[@jessicaschuyler7312]

Literally not what he says according the multiple videos he's spoken on this topic. I hope you'll revisit his videos without a stubborn mind and less sarcasm fam. The Greek/Hebrew can clear up what the English leaves out/misinterprets, that's it. Much love tho🙏🏾

[@muppetonmeds]

Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus tells his disciples to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

[@cassadycampbell1611]

@@jessicaschuyler7312 speaking out of both sides of your mouth is a clear indication of a false prophet. Corey is never clear and never gives a simple explanation on anything. He’s full of double talk.

[@smartchristians]

It's obvious you are wanting to defend a free grace doctrine rather than allowing the text to speak. You are invited to correct me if you wish. You are free to come on and correct me as well

[@unashamedyt799]

This is a false damnable doctrine of lordship salvation. How can you not separate salvation from discipleship after reading Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:5, and John 3:16. "Why do you call me Lord, Lord and dont do what he says for salvation. Jesus said this is the work of God, that we BELIEVE on him whom he has sent. We are not saved by following him, millions followed Jesus and did not believe on him and thus were not saved, Judas being one of them. Matthew 7:21-23 is the result of mixing discipleship and salvation. You will NOT be justified by the deeds of the law. No one perfectly obeys the Lord but thats the standard of the law. Thats why we believe on him ALONE for salvation. The existence of Carnal Christians in Corinth is proof that Lordship salvation is completely false and is another Gospel. Why do you Call him Lord and do not BELIEVE him!