Convert Your GT-R Sequential Transmission to Paddleshift

[@MJI444]

I did a paddle shift conversion to my R33 GT-R over a decade ago. MoTeC ECU + Holinger GTR6 + Shiftec pneumatic System + DBW and paddles rotate with the CF steering wheel and the wheel is also removable. From someone who’s driven them for 10 years, it is a complete game changer for high powered Skyline GT-Rs and worth the investment IMHO. Personally, I preferred to keep the gear lever as well as backup but that’s just my preference. Well done guys! 👍

[@slow26gtr]

I just looked at a couple of your videos.. the in-car footage of the shifter moving as you grab the paddles is epic!

[@Levent_Ergun]

Oh wow, I used to follow your build thread way back in GTR.co.uk forums. Your car also came to my mind when they claimed they were the first.

[@MJI444]

@@Levent_Ergun I was definitely the first to automate the sequential in a Skyline when I did mine...

[@MJI444]

@@slow26gtr I wanted to keep the lever as a backup, longevity is far better with the paddles than manual changes but the option is there.

[@1truzilla458]

MJI444 I agree with you about keeping the shift lever, it’s better to have both. I’ve also been following you for years. I remember when you first posted the videos I actually saved them in a folder because it was something I planned to do to my GTR. How is the car?

[@greghughey9738]

Please let this system find its way into project no secrets!!!🤞🤞🤞

[@MafiaboysWorld]

I think that's a given. 😎👍

[@SomervilleMetalWorks]

@@MafiaboysWorld he said he was going to use a haltech nexus. hell have to go to a motec instead and i doubt they'll sponsor him a setup.

[@eddiespall5651]

LandRoverLife you don’t have to have a motec. any ecu that supports paddle shifts, which is most performance ecus, will work.

[@MrVimek]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2XNnKWYaMiZra8 8hp gearbox.

[@jjsorenavki7005]

@@SomervilleMetalWorks Powertune like using Motec it doesn't have to be a Motec , Link g4, Haltech elite 1500-2500 Emtron kv8 AEM etc all support Paddleshift,,

[@79DJB]

Sounds like a piece of kit to go in NoSecret since that'll be a circuit build.

[@roflcopter645]

Yep, this is why these sorts of conversions are relatively easy. They're both a sequential shift, one has a lever, the other has paddles.

[@muntee33]

slip88 😳 Yea, sounds easy when the entirety of the topic is contained in 2 sentences. Just wait a short while after you’ve finished putting it in and see if you considered and addressed everything. I dare say you are damaging/breaking things you weren’t b4. Imagine ALL the load transfers that take place nearly instantly, with high load/rpm shifts.

[@Godzilla32]

It's awesome but strange at the same time. Full props to Powertune for all the development though.

[@gewoontimm]

you said it would make you smile when you experience a paddle shift in a r34/r33/r32.. i dont even have a gtr and i was smiling ^^ nice job

[@faizanfarooq8616]

This is awesome! If I ever got even remotely serious into racing this would be the move for my R33 ! Props to Powertune for building the system

[@Thespeedxking1]

This technology is definitely going to give us a new edge. Great work !!!

[@rhondelramdath5888]

This needs to be in project no secrets!!

[@1truzilla458]

I'm gonna install one on my RB30 R33 GTR Vspec...just been waiting for the tech to come out for classic GTR's. I really like the styling, it looks like it came factory with the car...great job guys!

[@Turbo_Tractors]

This is cutting edge for GTR’s. Thanks Andrew for showing this

[@KingRidzuan]

I love to see the paddle shift on r33 project no secret ♥️♥️

[@antonisp6629]

This looks sooo smooth...

[@MrStuwr250f]

Props to an Aussie company, knocking out some world class tech 🤘🏻

[@jamiew5211]

Matt j done it on his r33 gtr years ago in the uk

[@MafiaboysWorld]

I was 🤏 to getting an M130 GPR for Crustida. The transmission control for the A340E was the main benefit for me. Price including wiring and tuning scared me off at the time though, even with a discount. Nothing but great things to say about PowerTune after seeing what they did with DriftSquid's RBM3. 👍

[@pt5514]

Very, very well done, looking forward to seeing powertunes the pricing of this kit. Would be even better if the gear lever was left in place to give the driver the option of driving the old way.

[@anthonyianni3185]

You probably could still mount one on top of this setup. It would have to be electronic though

[@SOAEVO]

Respect to Powertune, they are OGs in the GTR scene. Great work guys.

[@1truzilla458]

I love this tech, Master Shifter came out with this system over 10 years ago for the T56 transmission. I think MS is ahead of this system because they had "skip a gear" function as well as an electric bump shifter lever and the paddles behind the steering wheel. Now with DBW, flat shifting and throttle blipping, this is gonna make sequential cars shift even faster.

[@Clint_L]

When it came on boost, hell yes!! Another awesome video my friend.

[@Takeitlightly6]

I love how powertune is in the year 3000 in the ecu programming and tuning world already…. But seriously hope to see a dct automatic in development for the gtr soon.

[@baldis12]

There are. Norwegian Company suplies it for rb26 32-34

[@Takeitlightly6]

@@baldis12 links?

[@bluesrike]

@@Takeitlightly6 Look up "HPR Tuning"

[@sergeylandgraf]

Love this I’m getting a kit so I can drive my r32 since I don’t know how to drive manual.

[@edogaddo6486]

You can use this kit on automatic transmission too?

[@sergeylandgraf]

@@edogaddo6486 yes, but my car is a manual

[@haydent1822]

@@sergeylandgraf It's not hard to drive manual, there's lessons and different techniques into shifting. It's worth giving it a chance before you buy anything.

[@sergeylandgraf]

@@haydent1822 hey thanks I now have a license. I’ve had it for now about 2 months and am a very happy owner of a US legal R34 GTR! YES a R34 GTR!

[@YoumomisBeautiful]

I prefer a large shifter to Paddleshift and I personally love the aggressiveness(aggressive gear change and boost entry) :)

[@muntee33]

It is cool. But sometimes being more involved in the operation of a machine, the more ‘connected’ you feel with it. And to it. Using heal/toe to blip the throttle through 2 downshifts as you brake firmly for a corner on your favourite sat morn spin route.... When in a proper car. I dunno... I know damn well it’s slower but... sometimes just skipping through your fav twisties at 6 to 7/10th’s on a nice day is what its about. Same reason I believe auto’s belong in drag cars and the wifes handy shopping trolley. It’s like art in a way when you are travelling briskly and multitasking different operational controls to ‘interface’ one’s senses with the machine, being in complete control of the machines behaviour and having it behave perfectly through sections of road that deliver some relaxing-exhilarating sensations to the body/mind. (and with ample room to spare for the unexpected.) that to most other people, (increasingly so...) It feels a little like art, cause there is so much going on that you are directly and completely in control of yet, for the most part, you do not consciously ‘think’ of them as you do them as your mind escapes everything else for the moment to completely focus its processing capacity entirely on the the ‘input’ sensory information it is receiving and the vast majority of ‘output’ info and function are taken care of by your subconscious, for the most part. It’s definitely a long and carefully learned skill so it seems more enjoyable to mesh with it more on many/most real world environments situations. This is evidenced by the fact that at just 6/10ths, one is travelling along at a significantly higher rate than 90-99.9% of the other vehicles and is perceived as nothing more than dangerous, reckless and aggressive behaviour. Some of us, from early childhood have enjoyed our parents possessing such skills and have spent most nearly our entire lives building these skill sets for ourselves and the machines to use them with. Daily. So unless your build is a large part of your life, as are track days and/or race/club meets, less is more sometimes. Don’t get me wrong they are fun porn and I the voice desperately wants it, but the $$ and headaches required to have it bought, installed, configured, customised and maintained would make it unsuitable for nearly all street/sport drivers once it was FINALLY sorted completely and enjoyed for a while until the novelty wears off and we understand the cons a bit better, without the voice convincing us that they are f’ck all compared to all the cool shit it has/does...

[@snape1464]

They’ve made 1000hp+ engines drivable enough for daily use, now the transmission is smooth enough aswel. Pretty insane

[@tony_5156]

DCT was first made in the Ferrari 643 F1 car It was a total first of its kind, it wasn’t made for speed of gear changes but rather aerodynamics

[@reggiecam9134]

It was the Porsche in 1980 was the first dct trans the 956 and 962 then Audi Quattro s1 in 1985. Ferrari came in 1991 with the dct transmission

[@RadDadisRad]

Both hands on the wheel equals less driver fatigue. Driver fatigue equals errors.

[@lbmautos]

Dude i would love to have a r33 with this!

[@salvadorsantos1723]

Now i'm just only missing a gtr 🙂

[@gr0schibre572]

E46 CSL with the system will be a weapon.

[@DBGMLV]

You can basically make a R32/R33/R34 drive like an automatic, other than stopping and taking off. You should be able to program it to change by itself.

[@MotiveVideo]

Automatic has stall converter and meant to be smooth changes. This will never be like that. Be more like a dual clutch transmission.

[@DBGMLV]

Motive Video yeah, I meant you could make shift without an outside input (i.e. lever or paddles), just based on throttle position and rpm. It would drive like a dual clutch though, that is true.

[@dmanero]

awesome video but would the paddle not be better attached to the steering wheel itself, so that when you turn the wheel the paddle are right at your fingertips.

[@john_p]

Had an R4C clutch in my last supra and if it wasn't perfectly adjusted it was a bitch to shift. A good paddle shift setup like this would be fucking perfection. The bigger the turbo the more you need this - and the beauty of it is it basically makes the size of the turbo irrelevant as far as streetability

[@roy_geebz]

Great video, informative and entertaining 👌

[@SteveMiguel]

I love my DCT paddle shift!

[@asho0oriasho0ori14]

Impressive work 👍

[@______926]

Paddles mounted to the steering wheel OR WRC style big paddle where you pull for up shifts and push it for down shifts? 🤔

[@bluesrike]

The paddles are mounted to the wheel, left to shift down, right to shift up. The problem with the GT-R paddles is that they don't move when you turn the wheel which I really hate.

[@muntee33]

Paddles sound rough on thrust bearings (and whole engine) if high rpm, high load downshifts are repeatedly done badly. Milliseconds... that is 2/10hs of f’ck all time for loads/speeds/pressures/etc etc to entirely undergo significant a change.

[@nismofreak33]

Powertune are THE dudes.

[@UBUNTU805]

why im looking on the video how to convert sequential transmission to paddle shift when i don't have enough money to buy sequential or in first place GTR alone :)

[@perfectdiversion]

Imagine having a fully sick paddle shifted VL Turbo bruh

[@mad87645]

Seamless upshifting for Lygon St powerskids

[@Mk1Ron]

Hectic bruh!

[@radityaindera3442]

Manuals are stated to be overrated now. Crisp sq / paddle shifts are just as satisfying to me.

[@ress87]

This is still a manual. The driver is in control of the clutch which makes it very different (and in my opinion also better) than a DCT.

[@pravirdass6355]

Looks amazing. Probably costs and arm tho

[@MotiveVideo]

If you have to ask.....

[@jasondesu]

Love the paddle shifters. How do you connect the R35 steering wheel to the R34 steering rack? Was it connected using a spline adapter?

[@MotiveVideo]

Nissan Splines pretty much all same as on she goes. Even programming the buttons to do things and the airbag to work.

[@BUZDRIFT]

For drifting would be horrible, but fkn damn smooth AF!

[@MotiveVideo]

Sequential is not good for drifting in our opinion. 4-speed dog box is the way to to go.

[@BUZDRIFT]

@@MotiveVideo better tell 99% of the pros then!

[@bluesrike]

I heard sequential transmissions are pretty harsh on the street, that they make the car do little "lurches" at low speed. Is that still true or have sequential transmissions been refined in some way?

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Why do you even need an ECU to do the signaling for the paddles, when, for electric actuators, your paddles could push on buttons that turn on power to the actuators directly? Or on electropneumatic, your paddles could push buttons that turn on power to the solenoids that open the air valves directly and then spring them closed after the shift, etc. (while maybe the ECU still runs the throttle or ignition for you)?

[@bluesrike]

I wish there was a way to get the paddles to move with steering wheel.

[@dasrathlachana2371]

This would be excellent in a jza80 Supra . I cant imagine how it will transform the barge

[@abushaikh8535]

it is quite similar to a quick shifter found on bikes

[@alhambra792]

I wonder how it drives in a stop and go traffic.

[@andriesgeddes4692]

Im in love ;D that rb sound+sequential paddle shifts are amazing! Is it possible to put paddle shifters on a normal manual gearbox?

[@zaneelzein4454]

Nope

[@_allthegoodonesaretaken_]

Is it just me or does the r35 steering wheel look better in the r34?

[@bluesrike]

Agreed. It does look really good. Plus there's buttons for cruise control and taking calls without taking your hands off the wheel.

[@georgef1176]

Andrew have you ever tried the KMP paddle system that ppg sells on there website?

[@MotiveVideo]

We haven't, no

[@DailyDrives]

Now we just need someone to come out with a real drop in dual clutch solution.

[@foot2rue492]

Could you convert the r34 gtr to an automatic transmission ?

[@tangles01]

Steady up development I haven't even gone sequential yet

[@majordave239]

Where can u buy this system for my BNR33 OS88 gearbox? Need one in the States. That thing is so nice...

[@MrCystic89]

This is fkin awesome!

[@TheTruth525]

Imma need that for my R32 Build

[@adamsutherland751]

Well done to powertune on this product but in my opion if the paddles dont move with the steering wheel there not great to drive with

[@MJI444]

Agreed, I spent a lot of time researching how to have both the paddles fixed with the steering wheel and also have the wheel (and paddles) be quick release. As a first pass though, the conversion looks very impressive, especially the low rpm down shift overcoming the inertia without clutch assist.

[@bluesrike]

I think the only solution to if you want to use an OEM R35 steering wheel is to buy extended paddle shifters.

[@MJI444]

I'd be interested to see the results when using a Holinger rather than an OS88 as the OS has helical gears. Any plans to test on a straight cut dog box?

[@MotiveVideo]

Tests like this happen when a shop or customer develop it: we don’t have the budget to just swap out gearbox of different brands and they’re not cheap! It will be similar just a lot of gearbox noise. PPG and OS are the choice for a street driven car.

[@MJI444]

Motive Video thanks for the reply. Personally I’ve had many issues with the OS88 and abandoned it, favouring the Holinger GTR6. Apart from snapping input shafts due to high torque loading, the box has been much better than the alternatives. I can understand why the helical gearset is preferential and obviously reverse is inline or you’d need an additional actuator. What full cycle closed loop shift speeds are you logging on full load?

[@MotiveVideo]

We found Holinger a great race box but not so great for the street. PPG has been perfection.

[@AlistairLattimore]

The shifting looks even smoother than your R32 Andrew, guessing a different ECU shift strategy is being used?

[@manitoublack]

Motec > Haltech every day of the week. As mentioned in the video, Motec also allow end users to wright their own run times which allow development of stuff like this or really tricky active suspension / diff strategies.

[@jasperpipes4222]

I wouldn't say Motec is greater every day, that is a very simplistic view. Each platform has pro's and con's. Some people don't need specific functionality and extra licensing costs.

[@H3BLTM]

Good stuff! 🤙awesome!

[@JP-gd1ln]

Ok so here's what I've never understood instead of the strain gauge which is expensive a bit finicky rather complicated to setup perfectly and as mentioned above all else is slower requiring x amount force where as paddle shifters are what seem to be essentially wet fast very sensitive monetary buttons? You mentioned 2 actuators signaled by ECU which must have been triggered by paddles so why can't there or isn't there on alternate to strain strain-gauge that is as simple as & as paddles forward triggers forward reverse trigger downward and basically same as paddles just on a lever

[@MotiveVideo]

You can literally use a video game shifter. But the whole idea is to keep hands on the wheel.

[@Mowdayz]

now one thing i would like to know will they be able to do this with another car not only a GTR like from holden to ford or anything that can take a dog box ?

[@sierra715]

Yo, what was that intro song? I need me some more of that mate

[@izzdin6228]

Song is fire man

[@zzzz_josh]

Knowledge +100

[@grecoconduris6716]

On to both GTRs then?

[@glensR33]

so how much for the conversion kit?

[@dj280z]

Get a Shiftec then you can get rid of the clutch pedal all together, and you don't need DBW.

[@freshoiled3493]

Ok now...how do i make paddle shift shifting on my 1jz auto or manual gearbox?

[@MrLjm74]

No.1 GTR mod

[@HandMadeRoyalty]

Sooo how do i do this on my gtt?

[@wd8005]

I didn't quite follow, So for 1st gear use the clutch then clutchless for the next gears even at low rpm, and no clutch downshift? I didn't notice your foot on the clutch when you downshifted.

[@MotiveVideo]

Only use clutch to come to a stop and then take off again.

[@wd8005]

@@MotiveVideo wow it's amazing what technology can do. It's almost an dct always on sport mode at this point then.

[@r18turbo9]

Can you downshift while you are at part throttle? Or must you be completely off the throttle to do so?

[@MotiveVideo]

We checked that and you can.

[@juiceflippin24]

Wow amazing 😱🥊🥊😱😱🖤🎯🤤🥵🥵💥💥🔥💥💥💥💥🔥 how much does it cost for a set up like this motec and all. Specs cost list would be nice to know.

[@ben7020]

Does it downshift automatically as you reduce speed ? I.e. 4th gear under brakes engine rpm falls below threshold 1200rpm?

[@MotiveVideo]

No. It’s a manual. You tell it to change gears But you could program the ecu to do it if you want

[@bigmattolly4910]

Does this product use any of the MME hardware or software ??

[@MotiveVideo]

Not that we’re aware of no

[@floridaman7079]

Wonder if they can also program the buttons on the 35gtr wheel to control some other stuff

[@MotiveVideo]

Yes. And they are

[@cameronsinclair7471]

Which brand of sequential box was used? I know the kit fits many

[@MotiveVideo]

It says it in the video

[@Nismo-gy3wz]

HEAVEN

[@juiceflippin24]

Wow they do the air tank style shifter push button on drag super bikes in the USA Boston. Luv that style🥵🥵🔥🎯🔥🥵🥵🥵🖤🖤🤤😱🥵🔥🥵😱🤤🤤😱😱

[@xplorer2361]

Aye.. another whiteboard user from another hemisphere (EE in US) Letssgooo !

[@Nefarious86]

Haltech next?

[@aaronholmes2285]

Can it be set up with shafter handle as a back up in case the the paddles fail ?

[@MotiveVideo]

In this set-up, no

[@aaronholmes2285]

@@MotiveVideo maybe a option they could look in to. At least it would let you get home or finish the race/track day.

[@wadeerasmus7464]

No secret r33 thing to do✌

[@gunngin3586]

Do race cars use DCTs?

[@bluesrike]

No, they use sequential dogboxes like what the GT-R in the video uses.

[@mareksumguy1887]

“You can’t pull a dog box out of gear without lifting off the throttle” My KX250 would strongly disagree with you on that.

[@Rory-ef2hq]

30hp vs 800hp, a little difference in the loads on the dogs

[@johnarangio6128]

Can you install paddle shift in a stock R32 GTR

[@sergeyakinin997]

You need a proper sequential gearbox with dog engagements, drive-by-wire throttles (either ITBs or a single throttle body conversion), as well as a standalone ECU that supports this stuff (most of the higher-end ones probably do). At that point you won't have a stock GTR anymore, and there would be no point in leaving the rest of the car stock but sinking tens of thousands of dollars into this stuff.

[@MotiveVideo]

Did you watch the video to see how it all works ?

[@Andrew260RS]

Why couldn't this be added to the standard gearbox providing you have a aftermarket ECU.

[@linchester8464]

There is a H pattern to the paddle shifters. But it more complicated as you need the system to convert the gear shifting movements back to H pattern.

[@Andrew260RS]

Lin Chester I am a idiot! Haha. You are right!

[@MotiveVideo]

Video explains why

[@divineee8471]

Would love to know how much this conversion would cost

[@amacca2085]

www.mme-motorsport.com/en/products/sequential-paddle-shifter

[@amacca2085]

shop.quaife.co.uk/nissan-rb25-six-speed-heavy-duty-sequential-gearbox

[@liammcgrath6184]

Can you do a dct conversion on a r32, r33 or r34 for as quick but smoother shifts and not need the clutch ?

[@MotiveVideo]

No one has yet as massive job to do

[@1970PMD]

Epic.

[@marcuswebb21]

Could you please buy some new whiteboard marker pens the purple and red run out ages ago

[@MotiveVideo]

They work fine.

[@linchester8464]

Has anyone basically transplanted the R35 drivetrain into the R34 chassis? So basically it will have better weight balance since the gearbox is at the back and you are already using paddle shifters since its a DCT. I know about the R35 engine and trans transplanted into the R34. But i just want the gearbox to bolt up to the RB26.

[@MotiveVideo]

Top secret did it to an R32 but didn’t do much with it. Totally different rear subframe so a big job

[@linchester8464]

@@MotiveVideo gotcha. Cheers

[@thunderbug8640]

Can anyone recommend a kit for an R33 GTR to convert to an electronic throttle?

[@MJI444]

BMW M3 E46 actuator works well but is quite old now.

[@MotiveVideo]

Powertune sell one

[@thunderbug8640]

​@@MotiveVideo Thanks for the info, I will be going with that kit. My R33 GTR is not a track car, but more a weekend fun run car with very occasional track use and I’m trying to build it with that in mind. Would you say a sequential with this paddle shit conversion is suitable for that kind mostly on road use, or is it a bit too track orientated. It looks buttery in the vid but just wondered if you could give your 2cents so I can better plan where the build will go next. Thanks again. I should mention my car isn’t the world’s most powerful GTR running around 350kw currently so this kind of setup isn’t really required to handle the power I’m pushing I just wanted something like this as a modernisation of sorts.

[@spooler7828]

I need this for my 370ztt. Need to stash away about 45k to make it happen.

[@MotiveVideo]

30K should do it

[@spooler7828]

@@MotiveVideo I wish. 24k for Hollinger, 10k for Motec that will sync with factory can bus plus some time for new code to be written for sequential. Plus extra odds and ends.

[@IAmLuckyMan001]

As the famous taco ad says.. "Why not have both".

[@hfracing]

very cool setup. and a very clean install! Converted my mx5 to paddleshifters, and i love it. im not using a dogshift sequential, but a manually operated DCT 7 speed running a standalone controller and no BMW Transmission control unit. But its still a manual transmission inside, just with two wet clutches and internal hydraulic actuators for the shift forks.. I have gotten some negative comments from the purists, claiming ive changed to a automatic transmission and that it ruins the car, but i still need to manually change gears. And for trackdays/street use with a high power car with no power steering, you cant beat the extra control of a paddleshifted transmission. Also having NO drop in boost at all when changig gears is just epic :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3u8emSvotJ0i7s

[@markhalden3922]

The GS7D is not a manual, its nothing like the old SMG's. Anyway, who does the standalone controller? I own a 335i and I'd love to drop the DCT behind something more reliable, perhaps even a LS V8.

[@hfracing]

@@markhalden3922 its not a converted manual like the old SMG, but the mechanics inside, work the same way as a manual, normal gears, shifter forks etc, just hydraulic control internal in the transmission. and a lot more complicated :) Still closer to a manual transmission than a normal automatic.. I run a DKGecu control unit in mine. I have a friend running LS engine with a DCT. There have been lot of DCT conversions lately.

[@markhalden3922]

@@hfracing thanks for the feedback. It the set up purely manual or does the controller allow an auto mode? By any chance, do you have your Miata build over at miataturbo? I just had a search for standalone controllers and came across a similar build.

[@hfracing]

@@markhalden3922 yep i have a build thread on miata turbo. The dkgecu has a full auto mode, and a manual clutch pedal that overrides everything (drive by wire clutch) and integrated launch control in the gearbox ecu with adjustable slipper clutch and bump box for dragrace use :)

[@bengermain8310]

FUCKING AWESOME!