Cooling AMD Threadripper - Air vs (AIO) All in One Liquid

[@rguitar78]

All about that surface area, the current water cooler blocks don't cover nearly enough of the cpu lid to draw away heat effectively.

[@thechemtrailkid]

HardwareCanucks did an AiO vs air cooler video like a year ago using LGA 1151: air coolers produced better temps and were quieter.

[@TrumpWinner]

@@geoli6407 Except gamer nexus is heavily biased towards water cooling. From my own personal tests, air beats water most of the time. There are exceptions but not great enough to warrant the hassle and risk of an AIO gamble. IMO for me to justify switching from Noctua to the AIO, the AIO has to definitively, unequivocally beat air, not just kinda beat air...sometimes. If AIO products get to the point where they can keep my temps below 30 even under load, then ill switch, otherwise there simply isn't enough of a reason to switch.

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

Agreed. this is not a fair comparison at all!

[@JarrodsTech]

The Noctua coolers are beast, I recently compared 3 of them and I'll be sticking with the U14S :) not only better performance but they also seem quieter than the AIO's.

[@Ramasamykasi]

Which PCIe slot you are using for the GPU with Noctua U14?

[@itsthatYEStoogoodguy]

Happy I got mine for the TR4 beasts :D

[@DesertCookie]

@@Ramasamykasi I have a U14S in my home server. On the X399 Taichi which has the upper slot as far up as possible, it slightly pushed against the GPU backplane. I used the 3mm offset and now it does not interfere. It's hard to reach the PCIe slot lock but other than that it doesn't make life too hard.

[@larietournelle7904]

Maybe we need to replace fan of aio system by Noctua's fan ?

[@klyded8523]

The asetek round block is not sufficient for Threadripper.

[@ShaneBuchman]

Kriss Rog agreed completely different results than my little 4790k. Water won for me significantly, which tells me it's the IHS size only.

[@TP-hg5cf]

He should try the ekwb tr block wit a 240/280 rad and compare those to the aio

[@TheWalrus0608]

Asetek is the dominate manufacturer for AiOs. They've had more than enough time to make changes but they haven't. This is a comparison between options available on the market and bit air coolers when. Also, Hardware Canucks did this test on LGA 1151 like a year ago and air coolers still won in terms of temps and noise.

[@cl4ster17]

the chemtrail kid Don't forget that air coolers almost always win in price but not necessarily in looks.

[@MetatronsCube23]

The Noctua brown fans could always be switched for other ones for a better look too. Fan coolers have way too many pro's not to use them. Too many horror stories of AIO coolers dying or water leaking out and killing something in the case.

[@husky1993a]

Noctua coolers are OP. Pls nerf

[@DzinkyDzink]

Their coloring pattern ugly af so it's sort of balanced.

[@kapetsu9657]

No just buff everithing else

[@DzinkyDzink]

That would be powercreep it's bad in longterm gameplay.

[@nov3316]

nerf dis

[@toogodz4857]

and they announced new fans that they had running 1 fan at the same temp as two of the current ones.

[@Hoad.o47]

been using a noctua NHU-12s for years.. love it!.. quiet and cool

[@davemac6350]

Why can't anyone do it review of the enermax AIO for threadripper? It's the only one that out there designed for it.

[@pascalabessolo5350]

Dave Mac I guess Enermax did not send enough units to big youtubers. Only to select small one.. Wonder why..

[@YouWillNeverKnow]

bias

[@Razor2048]

Some companies prefer to do the ineffective direct advertising rather than sending out review units and letting people see an objective review of the performance of the product.

[@davemac6350]

Yeah, the various KZbinrs are basically becoming really repetitive. It's all Corsair, Tt, Fractal, NZXT. Even Phanteks and others have dropped off the radar. And if you're a little guy trying to get in the game, forget about it.

[@vpkb]

It works wonders! I have the Noctua 120mm TR4 cooler and it was idling (and general use) 10-15c higher than the Enermax which idles between 19-30c @ 4Ghz.

[@Tv-qm1yz]

Is this stress including FPU , cache and system memory ? Or just CPU

[@GameGabe]

but i can still use it to warm up my room right?

[@Fliperiukas]

Try i9's for that

[@PlatinTony321]

most of the time Air coolers look ugly.. and are way to big.. just my opinion. and for the AIO's i really think they look good but, their are shit, i had like 3 AIO's in 1 year i switched to a complete costum loop and i dont regret it :)

[@Leli196]

The cooler has absolutely nothing to do with the heat dissipated to the room. The heat is always the same, no matter which cooler you use.

[@PlatinTony321]

the heat just travels faster. same goes for delidded ones

[@CyberianFaux]

I don't know if you are right on that. I have a 1700 and 1080ti and the stock cooler made my room feel at least 10-15F warmer after a 5-8 hour gaming session vs my Deepcool Captain 240EX over roughly a longer gaming session. Of course, toward the end of the gaming session with the AIO the room started to heat up but I was done by that time. This doesn't mean that it dissipates less heat but instead dissipates it a lot slower into the room making it a lot more comfortable to be around.

[@clee2423]

try enermax AIO that exclusively build for TR

[@clee2423]

Enermax Liqtech 240

[@YouWillNeverKnow]

No 360 ftw.

[@SteS]

Makes this video completely pointless using these AIOs. Guys are fuckin clueless.

[@dephamily7396]

Enermax has corrosion on their CPU block, maybe that is y not a lot of testing on TR.

[@titanjde]

You're testing the coolers I'm looking at. 1 Air, 1 liquid. Perfect!

[@kreativenarciso4199]

It was due to this review that I went with the U14S and I can't wait to torture test it before I get into any serious work. You made a great and valid point about not wanting to deal with any static when it comes to continuous productivity workloads and not having to worry about the system not cooling enough or pumps crapping out over time (can't have an oh sh*t moment when you have a big project on the table) Great job again guys, great presentation and video work. Keep at it!

[@OTechnology]

Try the Enermax TR4 watercooler see how it does with a larger base.

[@NWGR]

Noctua rocks. I have the NH-U14S in my system and it's been a champ ever since I installed it.

[@TheGameBench]

I'm hoping that Noctua is working on a TR4 version of the D15s. Still, these two have performed better than I expected.

[@SrchangwaytogoC]

How to set a scenario in which my sponsor wins? Tips to why this is sponsored: 1. Not the same brand in an Air vs Liquid comparison 2. Not liquid solution designed for TR but yes for the Air one 3. Noctua does not offer AIO liquied cooled solutions ^^

[@LiveForPanda]

I recently bought Threadripper 1950 for rendering. I’m planning to use all its 16 cores of power, but I’m not sure if the Noctua U12S cooler can handle this much heat. Not gonna overclock, just regular user.

[@rickylanchinebre3664]

its been a year any update?

[@alsebka]

Same results with my 1950X and the NH-U14s with Push-Pull Configuration - Temps around 55°C during full load - even after many days rendering. After seeing this i might over clock this beast to 4Ghz as well.

[@outdatedTV]

Noctua everywhere, coming up strong for 2018. My NH-D14 keeps the i7 6700K, all cores @4.5GHz at 58C and is quiet.

[@VarunKumar-oz2uj]

The NZXT CPU blocks don't seem to cover the IHS as much as the Noctua air coolers. I think a water cooling loop with a custom CPU block would do a better job.

[@SimplyTakuma]

So Noctua NU-U12S is the best one for the air cooled performance

[@n3zlnluka5]

Says "without further ado", then proceeds to show the sponsored message :D

[@Brandon-pz8eq]

So the U12S cools way better, no problems with clearance, sounded like the quietest cooler, and less than half of the price of the AIO. Thumbs up Noctua as usual

[@dtm3dd]

Pet peeve of mine: adding "finally" to the intro of every video.

[@DJMoPhiya]

I went with Air Cooled and no issues so far but I still need to put it under load. I dodged the Eneger TR4 AIO returned it as soon as I did my research. ... if you are looking consider just getting the Noctua.

[@catalystguitarguy]

I'm surprised you didn't run the Enermax Liqtech 240 or 360. that's what i'm planning on getting.

[@Cakebattered]

What were the GPU temps during those tests? The AIO setups should have had lower GPU temps. The question is how much less than the Air cooler setups.

[@ConsiderateRider]

Awesome test! Well prepared, informative and a good conclusion! The charts are informative - you show the threadripper model and the clock frequency, which is not always given (I just came from other channels). Thanks a lot!

[@Pabula]

Any chance of a Air CPU cooler showdown for threadripper, something like Noctua U14S, Thermalright True Spirit Power, Scythe Mugen5, Bequiet DarkPro, Cryo R7, Coolermaster 212 (or whicever can run on threadripper), just a rundown to see if aircooling is viable on other brands besides noctua, specially since only noctua developed a very different bottom, the rest are just mounting adaptations.

[@FredPalmerJr1]

Thanks Eber for a refined review of these coolers. Seems that a cooler doesn't have to look good to perform good. Noctua coolers seem to be really doing well. I was genuinely surprised.

[@douglasb9926]

Custom watercooling?????

[@thesolarempire7104]

I've been using a Noctua cooler for 9 years. No worry of leaks. Never replaced a fan. If I do need to replace a fan, they are readily available.

[@faisalamir1928]

Hi Dmitry, Eber! When is hardwarecanucks coming out with the hyperx cloud alpha video?!?!

[@f4z0]

It's quite amazing a single tower air cooling performs that well. One would expect an NDH15 equivalent for threadripper to be an absolute beast. Low RPM fans, low noise, less dirt and all that nice stuff.

[@daftmoonz9395]

About time somebody built central heating for the home that's heated by the CPU.

[@bradmorri]

what about the Enermax AIOs that have waterblocks that cover the entire TR heat spreader?

[@SpamMeGooglification]

These are not the droids you are looking for.

[@cmusic52]

I would be curious as to how the Noctua NH D15 in a TR4 version cooled it as well as a non acetek AIO liquid cooler, something with a square die to cover more of the CPU heat generating area

[@C.H-]

I know this is a video about cooling a threadripper but I'm using this to see if the NZXT Kraken x62 can cool the i9 10900k at stock...

[@MD-so2rz]

U didn't test 2 side push pull on both AIO and air coolers

[@davey3765]

Switching to air over liquid. Recent pump failure shifted my opinion (I dont OC). I can see if a fan is working or not I cant see a pump or get an alarm from the mobo if a pump fails like a fan.

[@nikumeru]

You need an AIO that has a cooling plate for the TR4 socket like the Enermax LiqTech TR4, normal ones do not make enough contact ...

[@UndeaKnight]

I dunno but it seems like some of the temp difference could be to do with CPU coverage more than it has to do with the cooler, afaik the temp difference on smaller CPUs is much smaller which would indicate similar cooling performance in the right scenario's

[@elvintp10]

Another great review! Can you guys review the Cooler Master ML360 RGB TR4 Edition? It's the only other AiO liquid cooler on the market I've seen specifically made for Threadripper other than what Enermax has.

[@DanielLiljeberg]

How about Enermax's massive TR4 AIO?

[@abaracskai]

Have you looked at the Enermax TR4 AIO’s?

[@thebestvideos2396]

This channel is hugely underrated . Love you guys

[@TheOfficialDuBsTeC]

Its not that Aircooling is better, especially than overclocking - its more the fact that ALL AIOs do NOT even Cover the DIEs fully while the Noctuas contacts are build for TR4. So in the End the AIOs WOULD be way better especially handling OC and higher TPDs but since the Noctuas can work (as of now) way more efficient.. its basically a better way going for the small Noctua NOW and waiting for better AIOs designed for the large TR4 Surface. :)

[@styxwickorfrost811]

The Enermax AIO's (specifically the ones designed specifically for the TR4 platform) would've been a more fair comparison in this vid.

[@TheOfficialDuBsTeC]

yes! there are already a few TR4 ones out that would be even more interesting - but I dont blame him since these are the coolers most people would choose. :)

[@deadlymagecz4186]

I wonder why nobody reviews Enermax products. Do they not ship to America?

[@Thunterise]

The Enermax TR4 AiO's are basically impossible to get at the moment. I assume that's why.

[@deadlymagecz4186]

I meant in general. You don´t hear of their power supplies, neither do you hear of their coolers and it´s not like they´re bad by any means.

[@lefunghi6151]

Why doesn’t the ThermalTake Chair feature stolen design features and RGB? Disappointed. Edit: It's a joke god dammit xD

[@YouWillNeverKnow]

You do realize the tech industry is basically 90% copy and paste and 10% innovation.

[@VinkeHD]

You Will Never Know I mean have you seen Thermaltake? Some of their products are almost like a 1:1 copy.

[@praxisrebourne]

Hey, why didn't you include Enermax Liqtech 360 TR4?

[@dantedimassimo567]

So my concern with this is that these air coolers had special designed cooper plates to cover the whole of the IHS. And the aio didn't. So wouldn't that have impacted the test results for the aio? I'm i right or wrong someone let me know cause I'm Pretty sure I'm right the aio had less heat transfer

[@brumby92]

No Noctua NHD 15? That thing is way bigger than the one tested.

[@fredv9453]

dont think they have a TR4 version

[@danielisbell]

It's not available with a cold plate designed for TR4 yet. The NH-U14S TR4-SP3 is currently the best cooler Noctua sells that supports TR4.

[@WayStedYou]

there is no d15 with threaripper coldplate

[@Edooo20]

Despite the NH-d15 being almost twice as big as Nh-U14S, it only performs a couple of degrees better, at best. NH-U14S kicks ass, (owns one).

[@tasoss.1385]

rajesh koothrappali I read somewhere that noctua internal tests showed no big benefit with the d15. And you can possibly imagine that if Eber had clearance issues with the 14 what would can expect from such a behemoth

[@blacklilac1408]

Why didn't you use a full block aio like enermax's aio

[@airman_85uk]

Your X62 is making a weird noise... Pump problem?

[@waldquellz3794]

wtf 90C output?? my 1950x is paired with a corsare h115i 280mm and after long render sessions it goes up to 70C thats it ..

[@taiefmiah]

waldquellz it’s the cold plate.

[@waldquellz3794]

and my spelling haha

[@TSLMachine]

It's kinda unfortunate how Noctua couldn't make a special NH-D15 for TR4 socket (maybe not just yet, who knows but them?). It's not only the coldplate that's the issue with the NH-D15 but also the heatpipe clearance with the memory slots. The NH-U14S is still good tho.

[@dntthe88]

I'm guessing the surface area of the liquid coolers copper is a huge factor

[@acrock21]

so i have a 8350fx with a bequiet dark pro 4 , im pleased with this set up ... except of course now its time for a cpu upgrade... im going with slightly dated technology with the 1950x threadripper.. i notice the noctua nh-u14s says nothing under specifications for str4 ..... however its being used with a threadripper... so my question is will my or can my BQDP4 be used or modified to be used with my incoming threadripper?

[@Eric_B_06]

I have a 2950x, please, what is the winner of this test on ?..

[@Glen45]

Would two fans fitted to the big noctua make a difference?

[@leleedler]

How exactly do you clean the thermal paste out of the little screws on an AIO, I build computers but, recently a costumer of mine had a small capacitor on his motherboard burn up, I didn't know this and couldn't diagnose it so I took the computer to another shop and they figured it out. They tested the CPU and put WAY too much thermal paste on the cooler. Any help would be much advised.

[@Grimgo]

I previously used Kraken X61 modded with EK Vardar F1 fans (1050rpm). Now i'm using Corsair's H115i with the Vardars. I find this setup very silent and cooling performance is awesome. Could you make a video where you test these AIO solutions with custom fans? I would be very interested to see how my setup is comparing to original and to the best air cooling solutions. Adding more twist you could also include one of the EK's all in one water loops.

[@Grimgo]

I'm running 8700k @ 5.1Ghz, 1.375v currently (delidded). I get 60c-74c temperatures while playing CPU heavy games (BF1, PUBG). My fans are very low noise but they make huge air pressure for the radiator. One important note I forgot is that my radiator is mounted inside my cases front panel and my fans are attached inside the front panel so that they are pushing fresh air straight through the radiator. I tried using the radiator on the roof of the case while it was taking hot air from GPU. That made the CPU temps so much worse so there is no way I'm going back. In my scenario the GPU will get a little heated up air but in order to fix this I'm using sidepanel fan which brings fresh air directly to GPU.

[@m.balauszko]

Can you use all 8 ram slots with the noctua coolers? There's 41mm clearance under the sink but the fan is sticking out even lower that this..

[@ViszlaBoss]

Can the Noctua fans be replaced on the air coolers? Was planning on the Enermax Liqtech but just saw quite a few bad reviews specifically after 5 -6 months. Fails, corrosion and temp rising significantly.

[@DesertCookie]

I made my first Noctua purchase with an NF-U14S for my TR 1900X home server. And boy, did I not expect the results. Idle I see a maximum of 40°C - that's 5°C cooler than the mainboard temperature Unraid reports - at

[@fiend9514]

WHERES THE VIDEO ON THE H500P I REALLY WANNA GET THAT CASE AND I SAW YOU HAD IT COME ON!!!

[@Nexus2422]

No mention of how the noctua coolers are *much* cheaper then the aio's? It also seemed like they were a fair bit quieter aswell. Looks to me like noctua smashed the aio competion again

[@Lexicon_]

This video is useless. Noctua hasn't smashed any AIO competition in this video because none of their AIO competition in this market segment was even represented. Non-TR4 AIOs aren't competition. Expecting the AIOs to win in performance is like expecting Mayweather to lose against McGregor, and we all know how that turned out.

[@Nexus2422]

air coolers are much cheaper and quiter tho (no pump noise) altough with theese cpu's i find it hard to make a point that the air coolers were like 70$ cheaper when the cpu they are attached to costs 1000$ :|

[@samchenmusik]

are there any liquid aio coolers with a large rectangle pump that can completely cover the TR surface area? if there are, maybe liquid aio coolers would do a better job since the x62 couldnt cover the entire surface of TR.

[@Vince62965]

A lot of cpu's are not designed to run hot enough under safe conditions if they were say 100"c any fan blowing on a heatsink/RAD would be more effective due to the bigger difference in temperature meaning more performance in terms of cooling. Think of how quick your tempatures drop in your car or bike when the fan kicks in its basically the same effect

[@storybookbus0314]

So I know that aio water coolers don't naturally run hot, the CPU just makes them warmer, etc., I'm trying to keep this short; so how many degrees does a CPU, like thread ripper, increase the temperature of an AIO by?

[@tomholmez12]

So what is the point in liquid cooling if a good air coller is vetter and cheaper??

[@Bradum]

You guys should build an external custom loop that you can slap onto the CPU to test for people thinking of making their own.

[@raw_pc]

I got NH-U14S for my 1950x. Got tired of water cooling maintenance. Noctua is king. All packed in thermaltake wp100 for good airflow. If you got a place to put this monster of a case, get it. You'll not regret it.

[@nerdMike]

I'm using U14S with Ryzen 5 1600 4ghz @1.35v/1.37v.. Under P95 and Cinebench I get 70/74C during the winter. This Noctua U14s version its not so different but I can't understand how can max only 60C on this old overclocked threadripper. Tried different thermal past, reseat, max fan with same higher result. TDP is also way different on TR compared to 65W of my R5 1600, how possible this results?

[@HansTechTalk]

Try the same test in Thailand or Dubai with 35' to 40' ambient temp, and aio will win by big margin..

[@Gavrev]

Manufacturers are just going to have to commit to making Threadripper sized AIO blocks! Interesting vid! :o)

[@slowgojoe]

Arctic TR-33 here on my 2950x. Idling at 35C and 59-61C under load (render workstation.. after several hours) manually overclocked to 3.65ghz.

[@sualehirfan2514]

Where is the NH 15

[@asmith685]

an x42 doesn't provide enough cooling for the 180W tdp of the Threadripper, you should have done an x62 if you wanted to do a fair test.

[@Demon09-_-]

so the x62 is losing to even a small u12.... i feel like the bracket making a difference may be a thing.

[@itsdeonlol]

I wonder how custom watercooling would do?

[@harsha4203]

How to assemble the fan in case what should be the air flow it should be out of case or some are in and out or only in ???

[@latinosenquebec7578]

Which case you have bro? That's the only piece that I have to buy. Before build my 1920x cpu

[@oscarmuhammad4072]

What about the Enermax TR4 for threadripper?

[@hangemhi001]

Current aio cooler blocks r not big enough to cover the ripper plate

[@justinreinsma9772]

Would the 360mm x72 kraken perform much better than the x62 or u12? I have Noctua's older discontinued dual fam 120mm cooling solution and I'm wondering if it's worth the upgrade to a 360mm aio for overclocking my new 8700k. Thanks

[@HitsSpecK01]

you made the same mistake as linus if you want to compare the two cooling methods then you need the liquid coolers to have the same die coverage as the air coolers

[@ericqhochuli6004]

Why is no one testing that Enermax AIO with the bigger cold plate?

[@gianlucaangeli]

but these are the cooler that you can find NOW on the market.

[@rogerj412]

EKWB has a TR block that covers the entire die. Argue it being for a customer loop if you want too but the proof is in the pudding.

[@Stoggyification]

the Enermax is out already in 240 rad and 360

[@P8qzxnxfP85xZ2H3wDRV]

That's only a bottleneck-effect. It's unlikely that the heatflow is restricted because of the contact surface. You can simply test it by just applying paste in the center and not covering the whole thing. I saw a review doing exactly that and the temperature difference was marginal.

[@TheIlmostro7]

I like the white case. What is that?

[@hitthedirtfullthrottle5547]

Is a 92mm noctua cooling a 1950x enough? Or do I need somthing else?

[@Razor2048]

I feel the liquid coolers just didn't have the coverage needed. As with the gamers nexus coverage, even if the entire copper plate is used, it does not cover 100% of the surface area of the dies, there is a still a good 30% or so of the die that is left uncovered due to their design of 4 dies on the package.

[@magnusavr]

What happens with the cpu temp if you mount the x62 in front of the case as intake vs the noctua when you run some heavy graphics on that GTX? I guess the x62 would pull ahead then since the nocuta would be pulling hot GTX air.

[@hitthedirtfullthrottle5547]

I have the 92mm noctua on my 1950x, when on desktop my cpu temps change between 30’C to 60’C max all the time, like every 2mins and then my noctua cpu cooler gets loud. Is everything okay with my system?

[@NisuUuno]

Get a AIO specialy built for Threadripper - LiqTech TR4 360. Swap fans for rome RGB ones are you are set

[@mrsillywalk]

Thank you. Great reviews.

[@dennisrkb]

Hey thanks for the great comparison! I had really bad experience with the Corsair H series when it first came out 4y ago. My liquid would evaporate and I'd have to refill it weekly to maintain cooling performance.. so since then I was sticking with air cooling. However now I'm considering a threadripper built which generates a lot of heat, and thus, a water cooling solution. Have these issues been ironed out by now?, or was it just bad luck on my side with a faulty unit? Thx!

[@raulaubele7240]

Great vídeos!!!! I own a 7900x and i would like to take it up to @4.6 GHz, do you think the cryorig R1 ultimate can do the job safetly? Is actually compatible? Which one is best, cryorig or noctua? Thanks!!

[@vijayasankaran]

Planning to go for Noctua NH - U14s for TR - 2920X. Doubtful whether it will perform well in high ambient temperatures (35 - 40 C). I live in South India. Need your suggestions on this.

[@AHAuwuOK]

All of them are loud af :c Hope there is some workaround except a 100 kg radiator-case

[@crion88]

68 degrees is maximum recommended by AMD right?

[@ooo1833]

I hope noctua makes more high end cooler for tr4 like u15 or u12a

[@benjaminouyang4076]

Can you do a review on the newly released HyperX Cloud Alpha and compare it to the HyperX Cloud II’s?

[@XLTripleTriple]

Curious how AIO vs. Air compare on just generic processors