Is AMD THREADRIPPER WORTH IT???

[@abdulmoosani3276]

Some people speculated that gaming on ThreadRipper is going to be horrible but i can't seem to make those people understand what the point of this chip is, its not to game and you can game on it but it would be stupid to waste that much money for just gaming. Rather go with the Ryzen 5 1600x for gaming

[@GundamAngelicDevil]

For some people, gaming is the only method of measurement needed to prove something. No good gaming? Chip is shit.

[@Starcrafter23]

The only ThR chip that has serious potential in games is 1900x simply because of those PCIe lanes if you want to use 3 graphics cards at the same time then it makes sense. Sure, AMD and NVidia don't even support setups like these any longer, but if you want to build overkill gaming setup, it's a good choice I guess, at 4k most of the work is done by GPU anyway

[@kru-tagaming4469]

don't just care about those kids dude they know only good game good cpu

[@JakXLT]

All I care about is if it's better than what I already have and if it makes me grunt like Tim Allen in Home Improvement.

[@summushieremiasclarkson4700]

It's pretty good for gaming. All these synthetic tests, who cares if it only gets 350fps and not 450 on csgo. Gaming on my ryzen cpu (r5 1600 @ 3.9) is buttery smooth. Always a gpu bottleneck.

[@noxvi6687]

I will use the 1920x and the gtx 1080.1920x1080 build

[@eber.antony]

WilsonZero LOL Dude...

[@her920512]

1080Ti or it won't be able to handle that much pixels.

[@violacrb]

But at what resolution?

[@friendzonedguy5921]

this is perfect

[@knightshousegames]

It all makes sense now... They hid the signs right in front of our eyes...You will discover the truths of the universe when that day comes.

[@gerasmus]

Your sound, microphone is AMAZINGLY crystal clear and volume level is perfect !

[@JarrodsTech]

It's finally here! RIP threads

[@HardwareCanucks]

amen

[@JarrodsTech]

As for which I'd pick, leaning towards 1950X, but your points about the 1920X single core performance being higher was very interesting and definitely worth considering.

[@asdqwertyonly09]

hey, what was the music used for TT Riing advertisement?

[@Dave2D]

🔥🔥🔥

[@نائفالعمودي-ذ2ر]

first to like ^__^

[@AlashAls]

It's LIT 2017 is the year for Powerful PC's

[@sovoitechlanes3398]

Alash Als aka the year of the amd comeback

[@DarkP1]

there is no comeback they are pissing out the toilet totally, coffe lake is around the corner so intel still plenty of advantage over amd I would say wait few months and see how those threadripper becomes half of price

[@sovoitechlanes3398]

amd is a really big in the market compaired to intel now and they are making better hardware cheaper what are you talking about?

[@mvmbersklom4031]

Every tech channel in my subscription box came in the same time for this thing.

[@HardwareCanucks]

it's called an embargo ;) and it's lovely for consumption OVERLOAD

[@FuadShaqiri]

First I watch HardwareCanucks then the others

[@mvmbersklom4031]

Yeah me too.

[@msrblonline]

no shit...

[@nibby_]

Very comprehensive review! Nice work Eber!

[@eber.antony]

nibruhh Thank you!

[@Helios.vfx.]

Eber Antony great review !!

[@krazybonnie5523]

Did anyone else realise that in the chart the ryzen 7 1800x was put in twice

[@Korribane1]

Did you remove the +27C degree DeltaC when measuring temps? Your temps are the only ones that differ massively compared to the other reviewers. Cheers

[@RepsUp100]

X399 owns X299

[@falsekingallant6343]

So much tests! My favorite methodology of the reviews so far! Thank you soothing voice man :D

[@jacobnoori]

This channel puts out the most quality content. I've never admired a channels background music and sound levels before. Thank you!

[@demigod79]

I decided to buy the 1950X. I do grid computing around the clock, and in grid computing the number of cores matter (far more than minor clock speed fluctuations).

[@JakXLT]

Intel pissed me off with their handling of X299. Nvidia pissed me off with pretty much all of their business practices and how they've completely ruined GFE. Next build: Threadripper/Vega

[@vyor8837]

GFE??? And what has NVIDIA done?

[@CheezMonsterCrazy]

GeForce Experience.

[@vyor8837]

Something that you don't need and is completely optional?

[@randomcalrissian]

Let me recommend a great 1000 WATT power supply with that! :D

[@vyor8837]

That's just to stay in the efficiency curve if you have an HEDT processor, not needed.

[@enzersama]

I've actually got a 1950X coming in the mail soon. I'm going to be using it for an unRAID box while running multiple VMs for software development and some gaming (maybe streaming). Seeing as I'm upgrading from a Phenom II X4 955BE: there's only up from here.

[@huyked]

Dude, your videography, movement, and lighting is beautiful and top notch!

[@geuros]

have you noticed, that Zen actually outperforms Broadwell in single-core? Not bad I'd say...

[@kreativenarciso4199]

proud new papa of a 1950x space ship. I'll be doing test runs to compare to the now defunkt FX 8320 which has been put out to pasture. Honestly, I don't even know how I managed to grind my teeth working on serious editing projects with the FX, all I can say now is that I feel like a kid about to unwrap presents at xmas! So humbled and so blessed. Good review guys by the way, lot of beautiful shots and camera work with clean audio and presentation. Keep up the work.

[@suddenly935]

as always great review, my favorite YT channel for tech reviews

[@RodrigoSantos-qh7se]

In both WinRAR and Zip you showed compression results but not decompression. I wonder why

[@AndyD24]

A great video that was very in-depth. I can't help but bring up a point about the gaming benchmarks, why only 1080p? Shouldn't we also have benchmarks for 1440p and 4k?

[@RobotUnderscore]

I'd still get that 1950X. I need any CPU power that I can get for 3D rendering and a market of shaky GPU drivers won't cut it

[@larrywhite9552]

Thanks, but at the end of the month the 1900X will be available 8x16 with 64 PCIe lanes a great entry into x399 boards and far more PCIe than the 1800X on x370 boards and 8 cores is fine for most people.

[@1337watchtower]

Something that's not getting much attention is AVX performance. I've read that threadripper requires 2 cycles for one AVX instruction whereas intel CPUs require only 1 cycle. I don't know if threadripper's frequency and voltage go down when doing AVX work - intel's CPUs do so because AVX generates MUCH more heat - but it's only like 15% down. That means intel CPUs should win big time in programs that make use of AVX a lot. There aren't a lot of tests that confirm this and I would like to try it myself. Unfortunately I can't just buy all those CPUs and other hardware required just for a test.

[@asterisk4424]

Love how technical this video is. Great review!

[@TaylorHuston]

Ugh. Why do people do gaming benchmarks at 1080p? Someone who is dropping $1000 on a processor is probably running a 4K, or at least 1440p, monitor. When you get into those numbers the GPU does a lot more of the lifting, so the differences between different processors shrinks dramatically. Not having benchmarks at those resolutions in misleading. And that's not even getting into multiple GPU setups, which the extra PCIE lanes will help out with, or VR.

[@caleer8567]

They run 1080 as it shows a difference that isn't GPU bottlenecked.

[@roikhanulyahamidan9978]

Ryan Wheeling yeah but people who want to buy the product also want to see which one perform best at higher res, even if the GPU being the bottleneck the 1% and 0.1% will shows the difference

[@TaylorHuston]

I think people would want to see how it performs in the situations it's most likely to be used. In this case, someone who's dropping $1k on a processor is probably dropping a lot on a GPU (maybe even more than one) and high res monitor as well. I'm not saying 1080p benchmarks don't have their place if you want to test theoretical performance, but I am much more interested in real world results.

[@caleer8567]

It really makes less than 1 frame difference, images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11697/89959.png and that is really in the margent of error zone anyways.

[@krazyfrog]

If you care about high res then you could pick any one of these and it wouldn't make a difference. Only at lower resolution does the CPU make a big impact on frame rate. It's primarily to show the difference in CPU performance and also useful if you're a low resolution high frame rate gamer.

[@ArleyLambert]

Awesome as usual ! best TR review by far ! Thanks Canucks !

[@bacazterchovej2235]

very nice camera shots and tbh your voice is so relaxing ...... i want 1950 without X .....

[@ShimejiiGaming]

Should probably put the Speed of the cpu's in the benchmarks, it matters for most of these cpu's if they are stock vs overclocked. I assume stock clocks.

[@leo-ub6nb]

5:08 Why are people "unlocking" the power before removing the Styrofoam protector? That's supposed to come off first and THEN you unlock the power. This will prevent the CPU from falling out and possibly being damaged, like Hardware Unboxed did. Not that he damaged it, just to clarify, but it did fall out due to him "unlocking" first.

[@andreaantonangeli2170]

Really helpful, well done. You should use this video as the default in the operating instruction QR code included in the box!

[@dynastes4938]

Very good and surprisingly comprehensive review, given the video format, which is more often than not resulting in compression to the death (Hello, Linus!). You guys just earned my respect yet again, great job. One thing to contribute on the topic of cooling, though: Yeah, Threadripper is getting hot, that's just due to the nature of so many high-clocked cores on current manifacturing processes. You want to be really careful with the application of thermal paste, too, though, if you want to make sure that everything is being cooled to every part of the cooling chain's full potential. The "blob in the middle"-approach does only work well, if you apply a rather generous amount of paste, since the IHS is so gargantuan, while also not being square. Anyway, I shall be interested in any improvements, truly compatible cooling solutions might bring here. Oh, and also: For everyone not needing the clockspeeds at their maximum, undervolting should be a very attractive option, because of Ryzen's efficiency around the 3 Ghz mark. Looking forward to any non-X models because of that :)

[@davidgoode8096]

Great review Hardware Canucks, clear, concise, no jargon but gave the important details, thanks for the review!

[@alxcsb]

Yo, don't call my FX9590 mini-nuclear reactor ancient! I only need to downclock to 4.7GHz for it to be stable. On a 850W PSU. Not ancient, yeah? :(

[@ferozdu31]

Nicely made video almost covered every aspects of the category

[@quantamentaltrading36]

Which Microphone are you using to record ? It's so amazingly clear. Hope you can create a video about that.

[@evan7721]

hey Canucks, could you maybe put the i9 and Threadripper processors to work doing some computational based workloads as opposed to 3D or rendering benchmarks?

[@foxtrapcollective3799]

I ammmmmmm 99% sure that the Zenith Extreme has wireless AD, not AC. Which is, of course, better.

[@UnicornReviews]

Thanks for the video, much more detailed than LTT. How is ECC support though?

[@eber.antony]

Unicorn Reviews Very much supported from the breifing I had a few weeks ago :)

[@Mario12342010]

I've been watching all the reviews and my subbox all morning and all I can say is HC has the best review so far, a lot of test and scenarios and everything feels so well researched and put together all other reviews so far feel half assed and rushed and with this video is clear AMD has an amazing product for professionals this is what the enthusiast scene needed, great job guys.

[@magneticshrimp7429]

If you need/want ECC memory support in your system this is like 1/3 - 1/4th the cost of a more or less comparable processor from Intel. Brutal.

[@Tippotipo]

I think Gimp benchmark needs a redo because it is processor dependent . Make sure to display the Preference ->Environment and take a good look at the number of processors to use for each CPU.

[@yassirhassani9166]

1:33 why is Ryzen 1800X twice on the list?

[@jasonlisonbee]

Could there be a case for a photographer's workflow to work on multiple images concurrently, so TR could still be a better value for Photoshop?

[@gambit1357]

Dang, buddy! great vid, but your AUDIO is fantastic. What type of mic are you using?

[@benchosei9878]

One of the best threadripper review i saw today, and y saw... a lot. Nice work!

[@DenisBriski]

Out of all the TR reviews that i just watched, this one is the most thorough and seems the best in terms of quality. Cheers! :)

[@JustinThiel]

Your mic sounds so crispy and fresh. What mic are you using?

[@nbrikha]

You guys are probably the most stylish PC tubers on the internet. Always classy.

[@TheRealLink]

Great review, thanks for taking the time to make it. Question, any discernable difference at 4K gaming benchmarks? For rendering and Adobe stuff though, these chips look like the bees' knees.

[@MuhammadKhan-os2op]

Where the hell are 1440p or 4k gaming benchmarks

[@calypsoraz4318]

I was set on the 1900x but now I'm not so sure. I may opt for the additional $250 cpu.

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Thx for this well put together review, the best I've seen bar none :) It's Black Friday 2017, I'm building a new workstation, I was going to spend my money elsewhere. I believed Threadripper was outside my budget! However, today with AMD's 30% off the 1920X, Threadripper is the best "Bang for your Buck" and my happiest purchase for the day. Ty

[@toparak]

Its interesting how you pointed out TR weakness in compression but not he's total domination in decompression. Specially since most of the users use decompression far more offten.

[@SerBallister]

Decompression is probably IO bound, as in, the CPU can unpack data far quicker than an SSD can buffer it for writing.

[@OriginalGainstas]

High quality video here. Thanks!

[@Sucu.420]

Use also DECOMPRESSION on winrar/7z

[@DrOrtmeyer]

The mounting mechanism is so cool. No more pushing your cpu into the socket and praying you dont have broken pins

[@renegadebiker24]

What AMD processor would be great for making 3d animation videos?

[@MateusMatosMontenegr]

I use all three programs at the same time, Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign, with an over 30 tabs on chrome. From the benchmarks i've seen, each software individual benchmark goes to the 7700k, but if I'm using all three with big files plus the browser tabs, how does that benchmark? I am between the 7700k, 7820x, 7900x and AMD 1950x...

[@purpasmart_4831]

Where is the decompression tests for 7zip?!

[@daveninjaneuro7089]

@hardwarecanucks do you have a source for the info you mention @11:30 (adobe can't utilize more than 18 threads)?

[@hiddenworldsmultimedia9380]

Adobe can (from what I have seen), only currently access 10 PHYSICAL cores, any more than that, and the law of diminishing returns hits...instead of an even spread of efficiency based on cores, it drops with each core after 10. sooo, instead of say, a 5x improvement, it drops to 1.5x per core.. Also, adobe has not updated their hardware specs of premiere, so it is still stuck in the 700 GTX series era, MAYBE 900. I did some research on this, while planning a future 1950x build. Since going to the CC system, they have had less of a "reason" to do any real background optimization.

[@ChessBoxin]

Why only 2666 speed? OW has a higher avg with ram speed I think btw. And by the way Premiere only using 18 threads... is that even during live plays like scrubbing through footage and applying effects? I have a the 1800x and am I not going to see a smoother live playback with threadripper?

[@DamienValentineKoguntetzu]

That was exactly the kind of in depth review I was seeking. Definitely getting a 1920X and here's why. Not only am I a gamer, I'm also learning to program and do graphic design for video game development. This particular chip seems to blow the competition out of the water for the price you pay. Good job AMD.

[@cartmann227]

Best review ever - very structured and informative. Thank you

[@SelenatorBoy213]

THREADRIPPER or i9 for a dedicated streamig and editing pc?.

[@uunz4075]

So, if i work exclusively in Maya, and render with Arnold and Mental Ray. Which of these benchmarks would be the one to pay attention to the most? Thanks in advance! :)

[@shifty277]

Is Ryzen 5 and 7 now fully optimized with bugs squashed by amd and the mobo manufacturers? Noticed some reviewers reporting anomolies on the day of the reviews going out. Thanks

[@Quiz6556]

Are you and Dimitri looking at upgrading to the thread ripper family for you main editing pc's, maybe 1950X's? Also I guess for the memory presets of local and distributed wont matter on those smaller work loads...I believe thread ripper takes up to 236GB of ram or something stupid like that so I would imagine a workload that may takes over 40GB plus might use that feature with a more telling result. I would say my biggest interest would be the 1900X followed by the 1950X I would save the 200 bucks hopefully on a motherboard and put that towards the 1950X over the 1920X. As far as the 1900X if a person is primarily gpu heavy you get the platform as well as the pcie lanes/memory capacity at almost half the cost.

[@JaxxedNesmith]

are your temperature measurements considerate of the stupid offset that AMD says it's setup reports?

[@vyor8837]

Did you account for the 27 degrees offset?

[@andelko2001]

Would you check still unconfirmed [at list I think it's not till now] there is around 27 degrees offset on CPU temps. Especially with AIO it's strange to have those temps since disipating surface is huge and Ryzen itself is pretty much cool processor.

[@nopenoperson9118]

If I recall correctly, Paul's Hardware brings it up in the 1950X vs. 7900X video.

[@asdqwertyonly09]

what was the music used for TT Riing advertisement?

[@ZenStrive52]

are you going to mesh the threadrippers?

[@Wulven-Hollow]

Can you give us any more info about that Wi-Fi card you mentioned or possibly a link to it?

[@avocadomangos]

You make the best Ads.

[@TheGameBench]

Faster encode times... that's all I needed to hear.

[@teamgt1981]

The video is ok but he ran 2 compression benchmarks and skips decompression, also the cinebench version is the one no-one uses and PC mark is so Intel leaning you might as well call it intel pcmark.

[@korruptkswadesOG]

Those amazon.ca links are crazy priced >.< 1900$ for the 1950x ripper? while @ newegg.ca it's sitting around 1300$.

[@yuliatarkova5445]

if your including Tax in that yea for me here in NH if i got threadripper from Newegg its only $999 (this also depends on if your doing a bundle) For example the combo that i bought was about 1500 or so with 2 8gb = 16 GB of DDR4 Ram at 3200 with a X399 Gaming 7 from Gigabyte that also supports TR = 1500 ish maybe a bit less but still saving quite abit of money as a combo well not really just a $20 dif in savings also depends on if you decide to fast track it as well :P but Amazon tends to be OP on some things just like Besbuy is like the worst place imo to buy a graphics card and other computer parts due to the fact that they tend to sell em extremely high where you can find it very cheaply on newegg or Ebay/Amazon in some cases. its like Newegg with the Titan their selling a refurbished one for $1300 where as i could get the same one for about 300 bucks cheaper elsewhere idk if that changed since my last titan buy but you'd be better off going to Nvidia and biting the bitter pill and get the titan black/x for 1200 a piece. than waste 1300 on a refurbished one that would eventually croak or be DOA.

[@CarlKippins]

I am planning to install an AMD Thraedripper 1920X CPU and would like to know the recommended motherboard. Thanx

[@fpsColton]

This the guy who was using a 3.5" HDD for his boot disk?

[@crosswire8985]

Very informative video. Thanks. Great work!

[@OshbacWoW]

I hope the thermal paste wasn't actually applied the way you showing in your b-roll. AMD even has specific instructions on how to apply to get the most coverage.

[@nelsoncasamalhuapa1554]

Very well done review, thank you for the great info!

[@TheBeastsHere]

Should I change from a 7600K @ 4.5GHz to the 1920X? I just want the extra 8 cores lol.

[@jorgem50]

I don't have the Threadripper but the 7 1700 and I'm completely satisfied. OC to 3.9ghz and stable

[@JensHove]

Would love to put this in a esxi home server, but TDP ... wish it was lower.

[@444chroma]

Feel like the memory speed is a bit slow. $500 mobo and $1000 cpu but only 2666mhz ram?

[@ShadowGrip]

what PSU wattage would you recommend for OCing a 1950x then?

[@mid9sun]

A question. What about 4K gaming, remember seeing some slides saying Threadripper is good for that. True? For now I think TR 1900X is what I am going to buy, even though it is still way overkill for my usage.

[@stinger15au]

at 4k the gpu setup in the pc is far more important than the cpu

[@vyor8837]

That's why they have 64 PCI-E lanes.

[@alphayun7401]

what about both for high end gaming and intensive programs?

[@trayoibry8246]

Could you test in Future Digital Audio Workstation Projects for music guys...Like Ableton, FL Studio, Cubase and Studio One etc...just some Random test to see what is more improtant Cores or Speed

[@arthurwatts1680]

Sure, but will the 1950X encode my PCM to octa-DSD without heat issues ?

[@andelko2001]

1950x does have not heat issues. There is offset so temps are lower about 27 degrees. I find very strange that some reviewers didn't question temps of Threadripper under liquid cooling since his cousin Ryzen is cool processor under similar circumstances.

[@1981danielmn]

so just to help a bit. I am 3d artist and rendering in 3d max is what I do. What you are seeing is correct. Memory speed does not impact most 3d rendering software. I have tested this for years. Usually the scene is posted to the memory once held there and access small bits of data as it computes the image. After effect encoding works completely differently. .... As an added note cpu clock speed of ex 3.0 ghz 3.3ghz will only see minor upgrade usually as well, for every 10% overclock you might get a 5% bump in render..... In 3d softwar there is still a lot operations that are single threadded so that clock speed help there though.If you need any ohter help I am always here.

[@HardwareCanucks]

+daniel najera awesome, thanks for your input! 👍

[@drewfarran5451]

AMD said themselves, a good portion of the TDP is for powering the 64PCI lanes. Technically that would make it extremely efficient. Can you do a video to investigate this?

[@colinmaharaj]

I need to do compilation of hundreds of C++ source files, I have a parallel compiler and having a 10x + increase where we go from 5 mins to less than 20 seconds is amazing.

[@seanm8867]

I'm surprised your test bench did not go up in flames with the i9 :/

[@digichickmon]

how would the TR CPU work with protools and pro sound cards (motu) ? need minimal audio latency. running some projects with over 120 chanels of audio.

[@jamestiberius9066]

I understand they are just trying to show the IPC difference. The point I was trying to get to is if I were to buy a $1000 CPU + all the things that go with it I wouldn't cheap out on the monitor.

[@fredlaruccia4813]

Hey thanks for the video, I have a question thou, I am finalising my TR build and one thing I have noticed is that when I boot up my system (without windows) the OLED panel on the Zenith Extreme X399 does not turn on. Is this because I don't have Windows installed? If not, how can I turn it on? Cheers

[@na420weed]

What do you guys think about getting a threadripper 1900 as a future-proof PC for creative professionals?

[@dstblj5222]

not really save yourself the money and get either a ryzen 1800 if you cant over clock or save some money and get a 1700 or x and use the cheaper motherboard unless you need the expansion cards