Why the Rebels Didn't Allow Separatists

The politics of the CIS, or Separatist Alliance, were very different from those of the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars, specifically in Star Wars Legends which we're talking about today. The Galactic Empire under Palpatine tried to play up similarities, but Rebel leaders like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa had different ideas on what was allowed within the Rebellion.
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[@rileymosman2808]

If the CIS coexisted with the Rebellion then there would be two of them, which would be getting out of hand.

[@rjjacob101]

They should have not made than bargain!

[@devinnie7572]

But always two there are - no more, no less.

[@ProducoesBatata]

KKKKKK

[@TheNikoNik]

@@devinnie7572 the rebellion instead coexisted with the resurging jedi

[@mitwhitgaming7722]

Because they were insufferable with all thier constant, "I told you so!"

[@warwatcher91]

They shouldn't be too cocky since most of their leaders were the embodiment of everything wrong with the republic.

[@sambridgers9543]

​@@warwatcher91Fax. Hypocrisy is one of the strongest violations on any HoloNet community.

[@sambridgers9543]

​@@warwatcher91Exactly

[@igncom1]

@@warwatcher91 Didn't half of them basically get folded into the Empires corporations anyway?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Precisely. They're basically over the top Star Wars equivalents of Black Lives Matter looters.

[@feyyro2855]

Ah yes, Nute Gunray pointing at me, forever the thumbnail star

[@sanguiniusonvacation1803]

"I want you, to deploy all battle droid directly into battle!"

[@user-bj4ev1tx3c]

​@@sanguiniusonvacation1803 "But Sir, this is a Wendy's"

[@austinkersey2445]

Gunray looks like he's about to drop the heaviest jizz album of 22 BBY.

[@lordofpain3476]

By that point in history Lord Vader turned gunray into bug bits .

[@nutsbroker5687]

Nute Gunray pointing at the viewer while shouting « NO CIS ALLOWED » has quite comical implications

[@nickmalachai2227]

Can't believe the Rebel Alliance had a Down With CIS bus.

[@zacklapaglia7644]

Well it makes sense. Ryloth suffered terribly under CIS control during the Clone Wars, as did Onderon. Not only did the Rebel Alliance and Separatist Holdouts have incompatible goals for the Galaxy, both factions were mortal enemies during the Clone Wars.

[@Discotekh_Dynasty]

Lmao

[@ToaArcan]

Is that what we're calling Juggernauts now?

[@emberfist8347]

@@zacklapaglia7644Not to mention how much of the CIS were war criminals. When the Rebellion already has to fight a losing war for the hearts and minds of the people (at least until Alderaan made 90% of the Pro-Imperials go “are we the baddies?”), it is probably not the best to affiliate with members of a group that treated the Geneva Convention like a bingo card.

[@pablosoleramaeso4561]

​@@emberfist8347 Yeah that's the problem with the CIS. Even if we exclude Grievous and Dooku, the CIS was controlled by morally bankrupt Megacorps on nearly all levels. Their military even excluding the Droid Army was almost exclusively made up of Corporate Security Forces and PMCs paid by them, in Politics the Separatist Council controlled by the CEOs of this Megacorps had supreme authority of all the CIS and could overrule Congress whenever they wanted and in economics it was once again this Megacorps that controlled pretty much almost every single asset on Separatist Space. That was what was at the end of the day, a bunch corporations wanting to take a piece of the Galaxy to exploit and govern for themselfs without regulation or opposition from the Republic, the "good separatist" were just usefull idiots running a propaganda stunt trying to convince the Galaxy and themselfs that it wasn't.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Look the corporate overlords should never be a part of the Rebel Alliance, but for the majority of the people in the Confederacy should have been allowed into the movement to create a government that can be better than the Old Republic rather than a continuation and allowing for the continue exploitation of the Rim.

[@jamesricker3997]

But letting the people into the CIS would have defeated the purpose of the CIS

[@gawkthimm6030]

Why is Seperatism Illegal in the Republic? can anyone explain to me the rational for not allowing remote planets their own independance?

[@idiocrat3744]

​@@gawkthimm6030 Just like secession in the United States isn't legal. It's a single country and allowing planets to declare independence would destroy the galaxy. Because the majority of the senators and representatives only care about their own worlds

[@midgetydeath]

Dude, those corporations were the ones doing the exploiting. Each Star System is crammed full of resources and industry, especially in the core where this is taken to the extreme. The Outer Rim and even the Mid Rim were and are irrelevant. They just don’t want to admit it to themselves.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@gawkthimm6030 Basically? "CAUSE I WANT YOUR RESOURCES AND MOOLAH, AND IF YOU DON'T GIMME I'MMA SEND MY JEDI AFTER YOU!"

[@CyberJoeyO]

Don’t forget the Separatists were in disarray and left leaderless after Order 66. Anakin killed them himself on Mustafar. The Separatist ideology definitely survived but they were left depleted and thinned out, after they lost the Clone Wars.

[@rumsmuggler30]

Cassian Andor and his adoptive parents were separatists. It's probably a case by case basis but there was a bit of everyone in the rebels.

[@gawkthimm6030]

Why is Seperatism Illegal in the Galactic Republic? can anyone explain to me the rational for not allowing remote planets their own independence?

[@KuK137]

@@gawkthimm6030 Because it was written by muricans, where separatism is literally illegal and a war with million dead was fought to ban secession? Democracy, eh?

[@rumsmuggler30]

@gawkthimm6030 there's always independent planets in the gffa, but groups of planets and systems joining up under one banner is something the Republic didn't want. It all played into the Sith 's hands.

[@gawkthimm6030]

@@rumsmuggler30 I meant, why was it glactic law in the generations before palpatine, why wouldnt planets want to be independant and why did the Republic enforce unity

[@rumsmuggler30]

@@gawkthimm6030 I don't know the answer to that. I'm just speculating off the information that I do know.

[@TheDrexxus]

Little known fact: The Rebels almost allied with the CIS until one of them said "I've got a bad feeling about this" and decided not to.

[@weeblordgaming6062]

When was this, I’d like to hear about this

[@connorschultz380]

​@@weeblordgaming6062 I believe they're referring to in rebels will they encountered a surviving battalion of battle droids and convince them the empire represents everything they were made to fight. The battle droids were offered to join the rebels but said *I calculate only a one percent chance of victory for rebellion* ( In clone wars, they always said this and were always wrong.) I think canonically, they joined later in a comic or something or some future rework or flashback of the battle of yendor included Droid ships implying they joined the rebellion later

[@christophermarshall4080]

I still want to see the rebels using battle droids, like finding a cache of BX-series and using them for covert missions

[@endosaurus1404]

Yeah sounds really cool. BX-series raiding a facility alongside rebel or partisan spec-ops.

[@christophermarshall4080]

@@endosaurus1404 out of the public eye, but still having an impact on the war effort

[@ironinquisitor3656]

I'm writing a story sort of like that about CIS Holdouts attempting to band together to create and early unified rebellion but you know where that will end for them sadly...

[@christophermarshall4080]

@@ironinquisitor3656 I'm currently working a story about a rebel cell that uses some seperatist technology such as some ships, vulture droids, commando droids and more. That's not all they use, but it still happens in the story

[@Mega-Brick]

@@endosaurus1404 Imagine a Star Wars game, but it's Splinter Cell-esque and you play as these BX droids.

[@alexr.m.6382]

A lot of people call Mon Mothma an idealist for that 60k subscriber line she always spouted but personally I've always thought it was a very pragmatic estimate.

[@lordofpain3476]

Mon Mothma was a agent of chaos that wanted total control of the galaxy , I am fairly certain that she was one of the most corrupt members of the old senate .

[@Harvus616]

Lol. Unfortunately doesn't look like that 60k number is going to be a thing.

[@EvanFAF]

I like that the Rebellion as an organisation is forced to change over time and become the best version of itself to overcome the Empire.

[@lordofpain3476]

Lmmfao

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

@@lordofpain3476 They did

[@aitipsea3909]

The surviving Separatists like many other insurgent groups had opposing ideals, and not all of them wanted to Restore the Republic However they all united under the same banner to defeat the Empire

[@kingorange7739]

Indeed.

[@Jin-1337]

The focus on fighting the same enemy made the Alliance stronger than the Empire who only employs humans, droids and some small number of alien individuals. If the Empire wasn't so xenophobic then Rebellion would be harder to muster up.

[@vladlenvolkov9034]

"NO CIS ALLOWED" EU rebels lore: wait WAT ?

[@iainhansen1047]

The thumbnail made me laugh lol. My brain read it as “why the Rebels didn’t allow CIS genders”

[@SarastistheSerpent]

lol same

[@SadnessCentral]

I got this recommended to me while questioning my gender. I have never watched star wars content on KZbin in my life before It’s a sign from the algorithm

[@unfunnyducky]

@@SadnessCentral Join the rebellion!

[@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854]

​@@SadnessCentralcongrats on becoming trans and a Star Wars fan at the same time.

[@SadnessCentral]

@@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854 I’m much more depressed about being a star wars fan than being trans tbh

[@SolomonMagnus819]

Really comprehensive explanation. Thank you. I wasn’t aware how much the quarren supported the rebels

[@JohnSmith-zi6xz]

Looking at the show Rebels and the Rogue One movie, I think it can be argued that the Senators who backed the Rebel Alliance were using it mostly as a PR stunt. They never intended to topple the Empire. Instead, they believed if they made enough noise, it would suddenly wake up the Imperial Senate who would then reassert their authority and defang the emperor and his cronies. It's part of why the Rebel Alliance leaders were so hesitant to do anything in the early years and tended to push out any rebel groups that were insistent on taking the fight to the Empire. It wasn't until the Rogue One mutiny, where the rank-and-file commanders took it upon themselves to take action and the following disbandment of the Imperial Senate that the Alliance finally become a true rebellion. After that it seems like most of the prior senior leadership was reduced to being figureheads... until they could form the New Republic and promptly ran it into the ground with incompetence and greed.

[@The_Real_Mr_Al]

The problem with the NR is like the concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy from Greek mythology. They were so afraid of repeating the "mistakes" of the OR to the point every consciously contrarian decision ended up sabotaging themselves and bred the same incompetence and corruption that allowed the Sith to manipulate and escalate events into causing TCW, which is how the FO had such a relatively easy job taking over. It's also why the Resistance was literally the Rebellion 2.0 with only the elderly GCW veterans and their kids being members (at first anyway) because everyone else were too busy sitting in burning buildings and going "this is fine" and "there is no war in Ba Sing Se".

[@Mrblob100]

> tended to push out any rebel groups that were insistent on taking the fight to the Empire. Because they'd get stomped, they didn't have the force for a full on rebellion early on.

[@Jin-1337]

The loss of a high ranking commander of Mon Calamari probably enraged the Calamaris to start producing warships aggressively for the cause as well, basically a martyr that kickstarted the full support.

[@atransarcticfox]

The Separatists continue to be right even from the grave

[@prickly10000]

Rebellion recuiter: "Your applications in order. One last thing, you agree to renounce all loyalty to the CIS and agree to join the alliance to restore the Republic, correct?" Former separatist: "ROGER ROGER!" Rebellion recruiter: "Application rejected, NEXT!... works every time"

[@kingorange7739]

LOL

[@scoobyrds]

The rebel alliance high command were all wearing “DOWN WITH CIS” shirts and started pouring out of the U-wing

[@kR-qj7rw]

Down with the cis bus but it's. Juggernaut

[@TheBandit025Nova]

Battle of Endor happens Lando: There’s ships coming out of hyperspace The CIS: *appears with an Malevolence class*

[@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong]

Episode VI but written by Disney, lol

[@MP-vc4nu]

So the 10’000 “Rebel” ships were actually CIS

[@capefear56]

Somehow Nute Gunray returned

[@bobthebuilder1360]

​@@MP-vc4nuwell actually yes they used some CIS ships

[@senorelroboto2]

Operation Domino is a bit on the nose for that Vietnam War analogy that Star Wars started as.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Bit on the nose, but quite memorable, like naming a certain DC Comics organization "Project CADMUS".

[@demi-femme4821]

When has Star Wars ever been subtle? The Trade Federation is a megacorporation with a seat in the legislature and its leader's name is a combination of Nute from Newt Gingrich and Gunray from an anagram for Reagan.

[@idiocrat3744]

​@@demi-femme4821 Lucas said that it wasn't a subtle reference to Reagan and sued people for saying otherwise.

[@kenle2]

​@@idiocrat3744 "Wink, wink." "Nudge, wudge"

[@ManiacMayhem7256]

​@@kenle2nah suing people kinda contradicts that

[@Necromediancer]

CIS holdouts during the age of the Empire is something I would absolutely love to see more of. That transitional period between episodes III and IV was something hardly explored for the longest time. While Disney is Disney, it is still cool to see it getting some more proper depictions now.

[@cane6074]

Not only that, The separatists are still operating to a limited extent in the galaxy after the civil war, there was a named entity called the New Separatist Union and the new Republic head a series of skirmishes with it. It's not been explored much as an idea, due to only appearing in the aftermath trilogy. It would be a pretty interesting storyline about a bunch of separatist insurgents taking advantage of the collapse of the galactic empire and exploiting The weakness of the New Republic government in order to restore the dream of succeeding into a separate state. It makes sense the fact separatist sentiment is still around considering how awful the empire was to the to The former separatist territories. But that doesn't look like it's going to happen because Disney canon is a complete mess right now. It's more like a bunch of separate ideas that are notionally part of the same continuality.

[@horaciobello9600]

Long love to the CIS army

[@cane6074]

@@horaciobello9600 The rim will rise again!

[@RealCodreX]

It's so sad to see that Star Wars is all about lightsabers and space battles, because it's these complex, and dare I say realistic, political themes that make the galaxy so interesting.

[@Jin-1337]

@@RealCodreX I guess you should blame George for making them the primary theme of the series which later directors couldn't help but stick to due to pressure or other reasons. For a show called Star wars you'd think there would be more space related warfare shown in the movies.

[@minestar2247]

Well, if new Separatists existed in the new canon post battle of jaccu, it would make the rise of the first order closer to how other similar movements rise up in democratic governments

[@edwardkarppi436]

Really great video Corey! Good job editing Mar!

[@heavyarms55]

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" stops working if that "friend" plans to stab you in the back. Whether they would have or not - the fear and distrust leftover from the war makes sense.

[@birdmonster4586]

It's interesting that Operation Domino was one of the biggest failures of the Rebel Alliance. But it also contained what to me was one of their most vital and longest lasting victories. The Liberation of Dac gave the Rebels not only their finest naval commander, but it gave them access to Mon Calamari cruisers and their shipyards which allowed them to stand toe to toe with the Imperial Star Destroyer and actually have something of a reasonable industrial base.

[@renx215]

Great video, and covered one of those little uncopvered areas.

[@ClnlBogey]

Imagine how divided the rebels goals would have been already based on different cells.

[@minestar2247]

Yeah, it would be a nightmare to get them to work together, and an even worst one post empirial defeat

[@tenletters5889]

Nute Gunray in the thumbnail commanding me to transition

[@Jin-1337]

HUH

[@tenletters5889]

@@Jin-1337 🫵 no cis allowed

[@Athesies]

LMAO

[@mr.biggs0907]

I can just imagine him on a poster with: “I want you! To join the Confederacy of Independent States!”

[@elmatador2139]

I thought of it as more Elon Musk banning the word cis on twitter

[@Dalekssupreme]

Because the Rebel Alliance was an organisation that wanted to restore the tyranny of the galactic republic. They didn't want to "liberate" star systems, they only wanted to restore the old regime. Thus even a thought of independent mid and outer rim were a nightmare to every rebel and their leaders

[@jayburn00]

Bel iblis is such an interesting character.

[@Charmaster04]

4:15 "There is a time and a place for Minecraft pathfinding, and that time and place is not in a naval battle from a Star Wars video game."

[@Jordan-hf4ni]

Another excellent Corey’s Datapad video!

[@ihn-90]

Rebels: No separatist! CIS: Are you kidding me?!?

[@warlordofbritannia]

I forget where I first heard this, but there’s a truism that no state would ever include a provision for its own destruction. A New Republic including Separatists would be a self-inflicted blow against their legitimacy.

[@k.m.r.8103]

Just found your channel this week - absolutely love your topics and analyses!❤❤❤

[@Flipdagoose]

Good video, GREAT thumbnail

[@Lena-h4w]

I love that you went there with the elon joke. glorious thumbnail

[@smashi4088]

This is so interesting and well researched

[@zachclawges6932]

Its important to note Seperatists werent banned from the Rebellion all together. There were plenty of former Seperatists who would go on to help the Rebellion. Avo Singh is probably the best example. Remember the vast majority of Seperatists were not Sith or War Lords. They were planetary leaders who had legitimate grevienances against the Republic

[@ODISeth]

God tier thumbnail

[@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu]

You didn't mention what happened to the separatist holdout who tried to set up shop on Mustafar. Let me guess, Vader did a "so I took that personally..." ?

[@cmason105]

Hi Cody, I'm very curious what the rebel alliance thought of the Jedi in general. Obviously a large majority of the rebel alliance, at least in the leadership, viewed the Jedi with a lot of positivity. But this video reminded me that a lot of former CIS hold outs ended up joining, who were basically in direct conflict with the Jedi order during the clone wars. And we know the Jedi order was falling steadily out of favor with the larger population which is what partially allowed the emperor to basically kill the entire order without any real repercussions. But I am really curious if there were any conflicting feelings within the rebel alliance about the Jedi? Their real mission was to restore the Republic, but you could probably do that without restoring the symbolic guardians of the Republic. So were there any rebels who were maybe indifferent to the Jedi if not outright dismissive?

[@Aristocles22]

"No Cis allowed" (from the thumbnail) has a very different connotation these days. lol

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

No it doesn't

[@8_8_Purpura_Committatus_0_5]

Yeah it does.

[@MsTendus]

Isn't it one of the words Elon musk forbidden from being spoken as he deemed it dangerous speech.

[@kotzpenner]

@@MsTendusno because it’s been used as a slur

[@siosilvar]

@@kotzpenner "slur" has a very specific meaning, not every word spoken in anger is a slur

[@Ashguy733]

Im hoping we get see more fleshed out takes about the Rebellion and their interactions with the Separatists in Canon in the first book of the Reign of the Empire trilogy next year.

[@eddy_malouempereur_du_cong6536]

In the legend they alloyed a good bunch of former separatists to join

[@lucasthibault4364]

Really nice one, you see how well the universe is crafted, despite the weird things time to time

[@WCWThunderRosa]

Amazing thumbnail that I will definitely NOT use out of context

[@Austin-gt1ch]

Thumbnail goes hard Guy at 0:54 just holding a regular p90 lol

[@TY-km8hj]

Shit yh it is a P90 lol That guy is Dass Jennir. He was a jedi that survived order 66, and the aliens in the background were separatists he was originally fighting against but he ended up joining them after order 66 to help them fight the empire.

[@The_Real_Mr_Al]

@@TY-km8hj Looks kinda like Geralt of Rivia in spaaaaace. Did he dual-wield lightsabers too? Also, welcome to Star Wars, almost every blaster is consciously designed from a real-life gun, even the ones that have never existed as a physical prop.

[@goldenfiberwheat238]

Therapist: geralt of rivia wielding a p90 standing next to dinosaur men with swords isn’t real, he can’t hurt you Geralt of rivia wielding a p90 standing next to a bunch of dinosaur men with swords:

[@krumuvecis]

Yes, the p90 is an alien technology. Everything makes sense when you realize it

[@kylepeek5069]

That's exactly what I thought

[@neofulcrum5013]

Seeing commando droids in the rebel ranks would’ve been awesome.

[@Chippaization]

Rebels wanted the status quo back whereas the Separatists were being exploited by the old status quo All the Alliance had to do was agree to treat the outer rim people fairly...or at least better than the republic used to treat them very England vs Colonies type feelings.

[@pookey6905]

0:58 what are these aliens? I had a comic with one of them as a main character as a kid. Can’t remember what it was even about

[@marcgravatt1051]

Nosaurian, I'm pretty sure

[@theta8529]

1:02 Ah Yes.. The P90, A Classic Star wars Blaster

[@N.I.S.C]

Depicting a three way battle between CIS holdout vs rebel alliance vs empire would be pure cinema

[@olliesloane151]

This is making me hyped for the Imperial Reign mod lol

[@garryame4008]

Elon is gunna be so upset when he finds out the rebels discriminate against the CIS

[@valthenvega2434]

At least the CIS didn’t have A’sharad Het in their ranks, otherwise things would’ve gotten baaad soon

[@ghostlyfieldclub2930]

I clicked on the video exclusively to look for a comment like this

[@rz__bomber5573]

​@@ghostlyfieldclub2930me too lmao

[@SarastistheSerpent]

“I’m not CIS, you are!”

[@KitGoldenlance-x7w]

Whenever anyone use the term cis I think of battle droids 🤣

[@hokage1997]

elon musk would throw a hissy fit reading that thumbnail

[@nintendofan1749]

Good

[@comradeofchrist]

How many terabytes?

[@goaway152]

I read it the same way. And why do you care what Elon would think

[@wesjanson6979]

i bet you bitches are so mad right now

[@Eyclonus]

You mean a Cissy fit

[@andyenglish4303]

Okay but that thumbnail text out of context...

[@venkelos6996]

It is sort of odd, once the continuity accounts for both, that the Rebellion didn't try to work with the CIS more, just to try and pad out their ship fleet. We know that the Rebellion needed as powerful a fleet as it could manage, even if it never intended to slug it out with the Empire; sometimes, it just needed to be strong enough to survive a brush in with the Imperial Fleet, to run away, or the tech to support its more starfighter-driven antics, and hit-and-run tactics,but finding those ships could often prove difficult, and I'm surprised that they didn't more have to make some concessions, to accrue the ships they needed, ehen anyone "donating" them to the Rebellion would face potentially terrible reprisals from the Emperor. It's also a little strange that they didn't need to just to shore up their non-human numbers. A lot of humans could more easily accept living among the Empire, and it was aliens who often first felt the sting, yet the Rebellion's leaders, and most of its heroes, were human. And sure, that made them more relatable to us, watching the films that told the story, in theaters, and costume make-up is expensive, but it was odd that so many of the people leading the Rebels didn't appear to be the tormented, or disenfranchised, aliens, who would have had the most reason to want something other than the Empire...or maybe the Republic, that had led to it, on their pain. There was obviously Dooku, but a lot of the other CIS members were specifically not humans, and you'd think that the Rebellion would need that polity to form up.

[@keysontrains538]

5:09 what’s the class of that long and smooth ship? looks like it could have been one of my favorites but I’ve never seen it around…

[@CoreysDatapad]

It's a Dauntless

[@R2Parmly]

In the old canon, I always assumed that a lot of the earliest fighters who joined the Rebellion would've been anti Trade Federation and later anti Separatist militias like the Nebula Front or Freedom's Sons. They'd be the ones who shared the Rebellion's goal of a galaxy unified under the Republic, but also had strained relations with the late Republic i.e. Palpatine and therefore wouldn't be likely to follow it into becoming an Empire.

[@cabaloflore8754]

Great video.

[@Blastopia]

Not having more repurposed battle droids is a missed opportunity

[@Commander_Appo]

I’m so tired today I saw the thumbnail and thought “wait, but Luke is straight and a rebel”

[@Lorgar64]

Yeah, but later on he wanted to kill himself...

[@deepvoicedude4749]

He married Mara Jade in legends, but in the movies he's pretty much aro.

[@GJR44]

hey, it said "no cis" some trans people are straight

[@Lvl1.Sentry]

​@@deepvoicedude4749Aro?

[@minestar2247]

​@@Lvl1.Sentryaromantic, so, no romance for poor Luke, only jedi training

[@kabobawsome]

This is canonically not totally true, now, I think. By the time the Alliance to Restore The Republic began to come together as a unit, rather than a bunch of splintered covert organizations or insurgent cells, it had quite a few former seperatists, although I don't believe that they were just integrating CIS remnants, just individual recruits. Most operating on the logic of "The Republic was better than the Empire, and if we can get into leadership, we may even get some concessions"

[@AbolishReality]

No CIS allowed is also what I say on my dating profiles

[@9NEJ6]

4:11 Is that a KDY Super Transport series container ship being fired upon?

[@Lobster_Guy12]

The Separatist were right and the rebels couldn’t handle that let’s be fr, the New Republic just committed the same mistakes as the Previous Republic. Funny enough the separatists come back during the New Republic era

[@minestar2247]

I assume the separatists were one of the reasons why the new republic didnt bother much with the empirial remnants(both inside and outside the republic) that later led to the first order taking over, right?

[@Mestari1Gaming]

7:24 Who are these guys and what big awesome looking guns are they using?

[@oldylad]

If I lived in universe and didn’t understand the Jedi and Sith I’d join the CIS. They were right, even if they were being manipulated. The rebels not allowing the CIS in was stupid

[@presidentpapillon2625]

they didn't allowing them because rebels wanted republic back unlike CIS

[@siosilvar]

The CIS was right that the Republic was decadent and neglected its citizens (especially in the Outer Rim)... but the Sith aside, they were still ultimately beholden to the corporate interests they accused the Galactic Senate of. Pretty on the nose for being a parable for US politics.

[@DisFantasy]

If Palpatine didn't win the election and become Supreme Chancellor in TPM, Naboo would have become a leading member of the CIS, positioning himself as one of if not the leader. The whole point to the Clone Wars was that he controlled both sides directly and through proxies, and as such both sides are subverted and corrupt in similar ways. The only difference between the two sides was the Jedi Order, and the only reason they chose the Republic and participated in the war was Dooku revealing himself as a Sith Lord. Otherwise they would have stuck to their role as peacekeepers and attempted to reconcile the two sides. In which case, Palpatine may have tried to create a divide in the Jedi Order, maybe appealing to Anakin to become the leader of his own order of knights.

[@olliesloane151]

AYO is that fortressa skin on the Lucrehulk made for Imperial Reign?

[@DieGurke_]

because the rebelion was to afraid to admit the CIS was right the whole time

[@starrazor9558]

The CIS wasn’t right though. It’s a bunch of corporations who want to enslave the outer rim, they just managed to hoodwink planets who didn’t want to participate in the galactic senate.

[@Seyhawk]

That quote at 6:25 immediately brought to mind Lincoln's Inaugural Address wherein he argues that the states do not have the legal ability to leave the union, therefore the Confederacy (the historical American one, not the Star Wars one [although maybe the Star Wars one too]) was not a legitimate independent state, but rather a domestic insurrection. In this view, there was no war to reunite the states because the states never seceded; they legally had no mechanism for this. Instead, it was essentially an internal police action. I can see the Empire, and even some elements of the Alliance, using this same line of reasoning in justifying their actions.

[@gawkthimm6030]

Why is Seperatism Illegal in the Galactic Republic? can anyone explain to me the rational for not allowing remote planets their own independence if it was a majority desire by their population.. how can the legitimacy of a 100 year old american republic (when lincoln made that speech) founded by immigrants on stolen land compare to a millennia old galactic Republic?

[@RealCodreX]

The problem is that the Republic had laws that allowed planets, systems, and even entire sectors to legally secede from it. This is the main reason for the separatist crisis. Not the fact that the republic lacked a military to enforce its rule, but the fact that everything was done within the framework of constitutional rights. The reason many did not leave the Republic much sooner was most likely because they still relied on freedom of movement, lack of fixed borders, and economic and political intercourse within the Republic until a sufficiently large number seceded and formed the CIS founded. Therefore, the Galactic Republic would more closely resemble a UN/EU than a USA/Germany.

[@autisticTreadmilleater]

Okay kinda weird but when people say they're cis (like cisgender) I always think they mean they're a seperatist

[@TY-km8hj]

Traitors to the Republic all of them

[@ghr501able]

Same

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Well, there's a difference between having the letters capitalized and not capitalized.

[@valthenvega2434]

*I reveal I like women in 2024 *Twitter at large: “I don’t think so, you’re starting to sound like a separatist”

[@billybob7135]

​@@valthenvega2434Twice the #pride, double the fall.

[@KyoryuChange]

Cassian was revealed to be from a separatist family in one of the books.

[@thesenate1844]

Hoping for a breakdown on Hutt politics. Tattooine is stated to ne Hutt controlled, so are they recognized as the legitimate rulers by the Republic despite being a criminal Empire. The closest real lofe comparison I can think of is Hezbollah, despite being the uncontested rulers of Lebanon are not recognized as such by the international community.

[@8_8_Purpura_Committatus_0_5]

Yes they are. In old Canon they were recognize as "rulers" but it was rather caused with virtual absence of the republic or any other government in their sector. They even Has wars during pius dea era.

[@Sam-xq9rp]

0:55 bro has a P-90

[@msekiller64]

Stargate taught me that the p-90 trumps most weapons

[@TheCappucinochannel-os4ne]

Because the alliance to restore the republic might have a slight issue with the people wanting to secede from said republic.

[@heebiejeebies4625]

I don't think they actually cared per say about restoring the republic, more so they preferred a less radical one than the empire. If I were trying to unite as many people as possible that's what I'd do. Unite the freedom fighters and unite those sympathetic to the government but also think the empire is stepping out of bounds, which they were.

[@lynxgoddess]

That thumbnail though - had no idea the rebels *were* separatists!

[@darthmaul216]

The trans only country be like “no cis allowed”

[@ikanhazw1n]

I saw the thumbnail and was like “trans star wars? What? But its CIS not cis lmao

[@orsonzedd]

Yeah everyone in star wars rebels in trans

[@ikanhazw1n]

@@orsonzedd This is the only canon I will accept

[@ashdwarf]

@@orsonzeddmy new headcannon

[@Idonothing-jj7qe]

@@ikanhazw1nbe gay do crime

[@blossom9510]

I love the open contempt for Starkiller's shoehorned inclusion in the formation of the rebellion.

[@DeathMessenger1988]

I gladly embrace Starkiller's shoehorned inclusion over all the bullshit Disney graped into this franchise.

[@blossom9510]

@@DeathMessenger1988 It's not a competition. They both suck.

[@tofuteh2348]

​@@DeathMessenger1988if there was a scene where rey stopped a crashing star destroyer with the force you KNOW people are going to call it disney woke mary sue

[@DeathMessenger1988]

@@tofuteh2348 The difference is that Starkiller actually trained to use the Force. UNDER DARTH FUCKING VADER. Nuff said. Stupendous Wave and The Lore Master have a TON of videos explaining just why Sith Apprentices were always more badass than Jedi Padawans. And as for Rey? I could literally do an entire video essay on why her being a Mary Sue is Disney's own fucking fault. Because the whole "Sith Alchemy clone's daughter" was actually a perfect explanation for her having instinctual Force mastery (i.e. genetic memories, Palpatine's subtle influence). If they made the fact it's UNNATURAL Force mastery a plot point for the trilogy, it would actually have been great! But noooo, let's go woke and broke and say the Force is female and all that other dumb shit that KK and the rest of Disney defecated out their fucking mouths. THAT makes so much more sense.

[@CoreysDatapad]

Nobody ever said the reason for Rey being powerful was "the force is female," that was a shirt that people haven't stopped losing their minds over since.

[@madamedipstick8569]

I love the thumbnail.

[@DefecTec]

I love how the guy from Force Unleashed is in the thumbnail, that game deserves to be canon

[@Mollikar]

I can see being a separatist when the galaxy is obsessed with extreme idealism, corporatism and/or centralized power. The Republic itself always had a blind spot for the people on the bottom, a lot of gatekeeping at the top not just for the Jedi.

[@presidentpapillon2625]

trueist

[@admiralyuri5409]

No cis allowed 🗣️

[@Marinealver]

Because they weren't invented yet. Before Episode 2 I thought the Clones were the "Bad Guys" in the Clone Wars.

[@DisFantasy]

They killed more Jedi than the droids did, and they were the plated fist that threw away the Republic so...

[@RealCodreX]

​@@DisFantasyAnd they followed their orders more closely than any droid could.

[@captainlamp2.076]

I was under the impression that Cassian Andror and his family fought for a cell that was sponsored by the CIS. I understand the semantics that made them co-belligerents and not formal separatist. But the fact that they found themselves on the same side as the CIS made them effectively separatists if not practically. How did the rebel alliance reconcile cases such as this?

[@LeGaLdeadparliament]

it could be great to have a same story about the clones who remained unloyal to the empire and allied with rebels - at least, there was Kix, a clone medic (if I'm correct), who fought along the rebels.

[@user-td1me4tv3u]

Interesting video.

[@Athesies]

What a wild thumbnail lmao omg

[@datassassin9643]

"we grant you a place in the rebellion, but do not recognize you as part of the rebellion"

[@LoganProductions54]

Damn, Galen and Rahm (and his militia) catching strays xD

[@firefly9838]

I am a Separatist.

[@rz__bomber5573]

Fr

[@Lvl1.Sentry]

Us Separatists must stick together. Brothers and Sisters unite!

[@patricktorres4226]

Surely because they were splitters like the Judean People's Front. And the Judean Popular People's Front.

[@kinman3051]

0:07 natural? Wait, did anyone assume they'd get along? Not only did I not think about it, but I really doubt they'd be friendly anyway

[@gedeonnunes5626]

No cis allowed, this is a safe space for all trans fellas

[@comradeofchrist]

How many terabytes do you have

[@flipacoin570]

​@@comradeofchristwhat does this even mean?

[@comradeofchrist]

@@flipacoin570 how many terabytes of illegal prn

[@AshleyDarling_]

@@comradeofchrist kinda sus the first thing you think of is illegal prn

[@Mzzkc]

​@@AshleyDarling_ don't be too harsh, it's what many christians have been groomed into thinking about first when those topics come up, which is ironic given what their leadership is famous for

[@chexwarior]

"The enemy of my enemy, is my enemy's enemy, nothing more."

[@f5boDag]

Funnily enough in the Aftermath(heh mentoined in same name novel) of the Battle of Endor, different sets of planets declared themselves Seperatist and excluded themselves from New Republic & Imperial Rule Edit: And in arguably purer Seperatist Tendency than even those reclaiming the title, many other planets would deny both rule from the New Republic, Imperial Remnant & later down the line First Order, without becoming part of any Faction or greater Union. So while the original separatist fighters and thinkers likely perished or faced replacement by the Rebel Alliance, the ideals where certainly well spread.

[@notanonymous3976]

CIS fighting new Republic after the Empire fell makes more sense than the First Order spawning out of nowhere