Correct exposure on the Canon C200

How to expose the Canon EOS C200 Cinema Camera to avoid grain in dark areas. Save time in post production and improve your filmmaking process.
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[@sonofthesea]

Brilliant, thanks. I just bought a preloved C200 so just wanted to let you know that your educational videos on these topics are still appreciated.

[@movieprof1]

This is a great tutorial. I've been teaching with Canon's in my courses for years, and always have students default to 800 iso. You've opened my eyes. Your image is very clean with little noise. I also like the use of the spot exposure tool. Thanks!

[@stephencox9507]

Hey Rubidium, today I was filming some scenes at a steel engineering facility and dropped my ISO to 200 for some dark welding and grinding shots (50p) and I have to say the difference was huge. I'm looking at my rushes in Resolve and the blacks are clean as (noticeably better) and the tight waveform confirms it. Well done and thanks so much for the tip and the chart. It all makes sense. I really appreciate your sharing your knowledge and experience for us C200 guys. Keep up the great work!

[@Crimsonengine]

You're so welcome, Stephen! Glad it helped.

[@jonathancortizo9098]

Super helpful! This is my favorite new channel!

[@perrymorrisjr]

Thanks, and you explain things so well concerning the Canon C200. You have also convinced me that the next step up to cinema camera from the GH5 will be the Canon C200. Its the perfect camera for my style of shooting, OMC work (One Man Crew), even for narrative OMC work.

[@thenaje]

man, i LOVE this channel. thank you brother. you’re one of a handful shedding light on this mysterious beast. i hope you stick to it. we need you. and if i ever purchase any recs, i always make sure to use your affiliate links. i’ll pick up merch if you got any as well. wanna help you shine. thanx!

[@Crimsonengine]

Thank you! I really appreciate the support. Working on some merch and some video tuts to buy.

[@gbjib3827]

Thanks to you Rubidium, I am now looking at how to apply this thought process to get a cleaner output from the C100 in the dark areas!

[@dan-sta-ana]

This video is so helpful. Will definitely try this on my C200.

[@wag1254]

Thanks for your quick answer and for sharing your knowledge!

[@pbfilms6356]

Thank you so much for the video! Very helpful info! I've read the Canon info and other videos regarding the native ISO 800 allowing for a greater dynamic range. I find I still take the photography approach a lot and keep the ISO as low as possible for less noise. The C200 does an amazing job with higher ISO's. I've shot up to 12800 and with a little noise reduction, image looks fantastic. Coming from a 5D Mark III, being able to shoot up to 12800 with little trouble is amazing! Thanks again for your C200 videos! Great stuff!

[@gamerul]

Great things here! Thank you for sharing! Really appreciate this!

[@nelsonjt60]

Amazing demonstration

[@DK-ui8tn]

Thank you so much for your Videos! Love them! Greetings from Heidelberg.

[@DUST35]

Interesting idea about using lower ISO for that kind of shot. I've read the white paper on C-log but not thought about it before, thanks!

[@offcenterconcepthaus]

Very good -- just rented one today. This will seriously save me some heartburn.

[@mateozareba]

You are doing great job here!

[@CoveringFish]

Thank you this helps a ton.

[@CWood414]

One semi-related suggestion to help with noise (specifically in low light/higher ISO situations) would be to not shoot with the log gamma but on something like Wide DR. I've found this helps greatly in the dark, as the dynamic range your sacrificing isn't as much a priority as managing noise in those situation. Fantastic vid BTW! I had been waiting too see about correct exposure with the C200 specifically.

[@overnightclassic2]

Log gamuts don't have more "noise." Once you grade them where they're supposed to be, they have the same noise as if you shot them in rec 709 in the first place.

[@DenMukhin]

VERY, VERY, VERY usefull tip! Thank You a lot! By the way, do You do ABB, when changing ISO?

[@PARADIGMCREATIVEGROUP]

I will be signing up for your online course! Thank you for your videos. Very helpful. Great skill

[@Crimsonengine]

Thanks for checking out the channel, James! Glad it was helpful

[@carolynjackson1081]

Love your channel, thanks for sharing Subscribed

[@aygie]

Great stuff. Have you used the 1600% LUT? Looks awesome in camera but I can’t find the same LUT to apply in Resolve.

[@DjKarlVictory]

Really HelpFull

[@miceliumprod2803]

Thanks Crimson, Just a question how do you manage to have this red color on your waveform for your 18%grey card? Thanks

[@sonnybrown4758]

2:50 I make this point with blackmagic cameras that can be noisy. I think shooting 400 is better in lower light and 800 for bright light

[@JibaroTech]

I'm recording in 10bit in the eos R, but I'm getting noise in the shadows, this apply to? 50IRE for the grey card? And lower ISO? Less than 400

[@DanielSchweinert]

Thanks Crimson Engine for the advice! I've also found out that the ARRI LUT + some brightness,contrast tweaking in Resolve works really great for the C200. But I really hope that BMD implements the real RAW panel. Right now it's still greyed out for C200 RAW files.

[@overnightclassic2]

Using LUTS like that are wrong. LUTS are predefined for a specific color gamut/color space, as well as native ISO and daylight white balance. Anything other than that and the colors will be wrong. That's why Arri has so many IDT's for their ACES workflow because you need to account for every color temperature/iso combination.

[@Crimsonengine]

That’s the advantage of Raw. You can apply a lut, then shift the color balance and contrast until it fits.

[@overnightclassic2]

But that's not how it works, because the individual color transforms are built upon color temperature and iso. This is not simply fixing the "color balance and contrast." You can see this more when you use the color space transform node in Resolve. It's intended for 6000K images, and when you use tungsten images, the results are completely incorrect. It's fine if it gives you are result that you like, but it's not going to be technically accurate. The new GEN 4 color science in the blackmagic cameras now features a "extended video" option which is basically a nicely colored image that you don't have to grade. It took them years to put this into their cameras because it's not as simple as slapping on a LUT and calling it a day. They had to carefully map each color temperature and ISO to give the best results. Some cameras map two color temperatures on the opposite ends of the spectrum and then interpolate between, but Blackmagic chose the accurate route.

[@Crimsonengine]

I appreciate what you're saying, Mo. In resolve 14, because the Raw module for Canon Raw lite CRMs wasn't finished yet, Resolve enabled color temp slider in the wheels to conform the color temp setting on the undebayered Raw, meaning that the slider actually does change the color temp of the video, not just tint it. This is the huge advantage of shooting Raw: that you can change the temperature in post.

[@alexbormanbou]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing,

[@lionroots11]

A thank you for the great advice what about outside is 800 iso? to start of with

[@jmez927]

I knew he was gonna break out that grey card...thumbs up as always

[@betomena1]

As always great video. Where do you find the settings in the Canon C200 to set the "Spot" (center red square) for waveform settings?

[@wurzelklopf]

WFM Typ Line+Spot its explained here kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGikiqOnpd6tfdk

[@MatthewCarmody]

I shoot on other cameras right now, but still useful info applicable to cinema cameras in general. Keep it up.

[@Crimsonengine]

Thanks. Different cameras have different recommendations on where you should place skin tones and middle grey. I've almost always found them to be off by about 10% - the only way to get the image you want is experiment.

[@MatthewCarmody]

Def. Experimentation is the way to go.

[@Shediddalidoo]

Yoo! sweet video. How did you record with all the settings on your image? Im thinking of doing a before and after thing (with before showing all the settings that I shot with).

[@sickhcivc]

Man im amped to get a C200. Do you ever use Premiere pro? If so how much sharpening do you add to your image through lumetri? Its so sharp you almost coming out the screen!

[@TheToneWork]

Are we ever going to get a video on how you color grade? There seems like such a difference between the color cast of the RAW and deliverable.

[@AKSTUDIOUSA]

Beautiful! What lens are you using?

[@kar-unboxed]

Amazing stuff as always!!! How did you get the red spot meter area appear on the waveform? Is it only available on the black magic monitor or is there a way to activate it with the Canon monitor comes with the C200?

[@Crimsonengine]

Thanks Karthik! It is an option on c200 menu 6.5 - WFM type. Set it to 'Line+Spot'

[@kar-unboxed]

Thanks for the quick response!!! I think C200 manual is worth reading :) on it now. I’m going to try your tips for my next video. Wish me luck!!

[@kar-unboxed]

Dylan L.-Dionne Thanks Dylan!!

[@Crimsonengine]

Some things, like the Waveform, only work over SDI, not HDMI.

[@wag1254]

As always, good stuff. A question, why you don’t expose at sweet (critical) aperture, 2 stops above max wide open?

[@Crimsonengine]

Thanks! In this instance I wanted more Bokeh, so I picked my f-stop first (1.8) then adjusted iso and light to get the right exposure.

[@karanskumar1]

Hi! I have the 70d and was wondering if its possible to shoot using a picture profile that replicates C-log. If so, How do I expose C-log correctly when I'm using the camera pointing at me when its handheld and more run and gun? Also will the luts you sell work with my fake C-log.

[@trevc]

This is great, thanks for putting it together. Where did you source those Canon ISO/sensor charts from? I haven't had any luck finding them.

[@Crimsonengine]

Ablecine is a great resource: www.abelcine.com/articles/blog-and-knowledge/tutorials-and-guides/working-with-canon-log

[@lionroots11]

Crimson what lens did you use on this video your editing in Devinci ? great look

[@lionroots11]

Do you have any white balance setting for the C 200 videos?

[@exqmedia]

Hi Crimson Engine. I shoot under 800 ISO with my C200 in low light (55 lux) CLOG3 MP4 and I have color banding in the background (35 lux). Does not work low ISO in low light. Low ISO it make sense only with good light , high lux . How many lux do you have on the background ?

[@beauchampy]

Hey man, thanks for the great information. I just wondered, what are your autofocus speed and sensitivity settings when face tracking yourself?

[@Crimsonengine]

I've got it on the fastest and most sensitive. It still a little slow at f/1.4 but 1.8 works great

[@ianzhao5693]

Hi, I read somewhere that for clog and clog3 18% grey card should be exposed at 34.3% IRE for perfect exposure. Should I exposed at 45% or 34.3%? Thanks

[@timhughes4259]

Thank you, super helpful! One more subscriber :)

[@kuau714]

Great video and information if shooting outdoors high contrast situation do you still recommend lower ISO or should I go to ISO 800?

[@CoveringFish]

Steven Kornreich same question

[@GratuityMedia]

You rock thanks

[@randallburgess6393]

Awesome could you do the same with a canon6d??

[@curtisjudd]

Really helpful info, thanks for this!

[@Crimsonengine]

Thanks Curtis! I'm a fan of your channel. You're always on point.

[@movieprof1]

Love your tutorials also, Curtis.

[@curtisjudd]

@@movieprof1 Thanks John.

[@chrisbeemedia4038]

A lot of people say the C200 120fps 1080 is too soft of an image. Is there a workflow in post with Davinci Resolve to make it sharper, thus more useable? Any easy fix to this?

[@Brett.Hatfield]

So outside. Clog 3. 800ISO. and inside lower ISO?

[@albertovazquez7065]

How do I get the red square? Is from the camera or monitor?

[@npmeilleur]

Thanks for the insight Rubidium. Does this information (specifically with exposure, as well as Dynamic Range distribution based on ISO) apply when shooting in MP4 as well (CLOG3)?

[@Crimsonengine]

definitely. Exposing middle grey at %50 should give you a good exposure there as well.

[@npmeilleur]

@@Crimsonengine Thanks!

[@miceliumprod2803]

Thanks Crimson. Just a question, Canon is recommending 35 IRE and not 40 to 55 for a grey card. Could you explain me why you prefer go on those settings instead of 35? Thanks

[@Crimsonengine]

No worries. Putting middle grey at 35 IRE will give you the most dynamic range. In a controlled environment, I'm less worried about DR and more concerned with noise. At 40-55 you get a lot less noise and only slightly less DR.

[@StifaniBross]

you are the best!!!!

[@erwinretamales7211]

This only works for RAW, or is the same with MP4 8bit?

[@Artsparkle]

Hi, I follow your channel and found a lot of useful content. I have a c200 but I never used raw because of the expensive CF cards, and it wasn't even necessary for my workflow. I would like to try some raw sample on my computer to see if it works well and makes sense, if you have any link with any short raw video sample please share. Thank you, all the best!

[@Crimsonengine]

You can get the cards for pretty cheap now. There are some brands that have sub $100 ones

[@cinarul9642]

Hİ Mr. Engine I would be pleasure if you reply my question. I am trying to be more familiar with exposure but I am really stuck with Canon c300 mkii with shogun inferno. 1- For Proses Raw with shogun inferno what is the proper exposure? I mean if I use waveform on inferno for exposure, where 18% grey card should be on? And would it be changed both c log 2 and 3? 2- İf I decided to shoot internally C log 2- cinema gamut- production main setting for C300 mkii where grey card should be?

[@Crimsonengine]

Technically middle gray on clog2 and 3 is between 32 & 38 IRE. This might give you the most dynamic range, but it’s pretty noisey. I usually go with 45-50 for both.

[@user-ep7tc3zx5x]

I always shoot at iso800 at 105-110% by highlights in RAW. Then in Davinci make 3 stops low. That gives noiseless picture and it is called ETTR.

[@lionroots11]

Hi on the wavform monitor does the green needs to be above the 20 mark or below for exposure ?

[@Crimsonengine]

past the first 2 lines

[@lionroots11]

@@Crimsonengine what number? I dont understand past the 2 lines

[@mickchambers2904]

Where can I get a grey board like the one you are using here for metering? Link?

[@Crimsonengine]

check out this one amzn.to/2AlbNTo

[@VividVisual]

After you say "that looks pretty cool at 6:29 there is a drastic change in color but you didn't click anything. I don't get what happened there?

[@Crimsonengine]

I selected 'reset all nodes' in the menu so that I could apply a lut instead of doing all the work manually - LUTs are a shortcut to a good starting point.

[@Paradeigm]

Brilliant video, thank you sir! What colorspace/gammut do you recommend to export with in Cinema Raw Development for low light situations? Log profiles don't seem to do well in low light. Is it the same with the colorspace? Should I do 709 for the colorspace in low light? Cheers

[@Crimsonengine]

Thank you for watching! I don't use the CRD app at all. I import the CRM files right into resolve from the CFast card. You should be fine with low light as long as you keep your Iso under 400. If its a really dark scene, shoot with a appropriate lens and raise the ISO if you have to, then remove noise digitally.

[@Brett.Hatfield]

why doesnt my meter go over 80 even when trying to blow out the highlights to test it? is this a canon log 3 limitation, canon log i can rase the values over 80

[@Crimsonengine]

As you increase or decrease the ISO the max IRE changes. You'll get the most at ISO 800

[@andrewwonder2595]

Are you finding you can toggle the 709 LUT on and off with an assignable button like the manual says on page 144? I can't get mine to do it with a single press like view assist user to on a c300

[@Crimsonengine]

For sure! The option you want to assign to a button is called "LUT: SDI Output' - As you may have guessed, it only works on SDI and not the HDMI.

[@andrewwonder2595]

Crimson Engine and your using the 709 LUT from the HDR/LUT menu. The one you get when setting it to HDR PQ? I set my button to just LUT or LUT monitor (not using the SDI just the included monitor) and nether seem to have an impact. Thank you for the reply

[@Crimsonengine]

I'll do a quick video on this this afternoon - it is confusing because you need to enable the LUT you want (in this case 709) then set a button to preview/unpreview that LUT. It will be much easier to show than explain. Stay tuned!

[@J3llo3]

I found the c200 to be extremely noisy when shooting 4k but once I downscale it to 1080 it is super clean

[@steelyscott]

Found you on @mondobytes channel! Subd.

[@Crimsonengine]

Mondo's the best! Thanks

[@wag1254]

Canon said Slog 3 IRI is 34.3 instead of 42, that means you are over exposing but nice and well graded video

[@JeremyShaye]

Really explained well. I think you could also do very well in explaining the waveform monitor and what to look for when using it in general and in more detail what to look for - tips tricks etc.

[@BretKerr]

nofilmschool.com/2016/08/video-heres-step-step-guide-how-use-waveform-monitor

[@robojim4000]

Was just wondering what lens and what autofocus response/speed setting you use for a video like this?

[@Crimsonengine]

Canon 50mm f/1.4 lens set to 1.8. Got the facechasing autofocus turned up to the fastest setting :)

[@robojim4000]

Crimson Engine I had some weird problems with the background freaking out on the 24-70ii

[@Crimsonengine]

You mean the autofocus can't find its mark and racks between you and the background?

[@robojim4000]

Crimson Engine difficult to describe. Need to upload a video really. But essentially the face stays in focus perfectly and without the subject even moving that much (or at all in some cases), while keeping focus on the face, if you are looking at the background you notice it frantically pulsing in out 2-4 times in a second. You wouldn’t notice much if you’re just looking on face. Maybe I’ll upload something here in youtube

[@StuartHaight]

It really is interesting seeing the new vs old videos. This was before your intellytechs (I think, I haven't followed you closely). The color of your key light doesn't seem to reflect aka emit the reds in your skintone (signature blotchy led) compared to your videos now.

[@Crimsonengine]

That’s 100% grading and not lighting. You can buy the LUTs I created for this purpose in the description

[@StuartHaight]

@@Crimsonengine I see so you were using the same lights and camera in 2017 as you do now? Thank you for your time. My focus is gaffing so forgive my ignorance and assuming your key light as changed. Having a tan or no tan (in the winter) makes quite a difference on skin tones right out of the gate.

[@tempest63132]

If your running and gunning at an event, should you just set the iso to 800?

[@exqmedia]

It is depends of light in lux . Low 800 ISO works only with good light and good lens. You can not shoot in a room with 40 lux to 800 or 200 ISO.

[@tempest63132]

exqmedia it sounds like getting a light meter would be the best way to judge the exposure settings in that case

[@ruebencruz-tokar3279]

The reason why it doesn't have Clog2 is because that log format it's optimized for 10 bit 422 codec, which this camera doesn't have

[@hyalightfilms4545]

I have to expose very, very, very, verrrrrrry far to the right, otherwise I get horrendous red noise everywhere. The output on my shogun flame monitor, the c200's waveform monitor and the c200's exposure meter will all look way overexposed. However, when I bring the .crm file into Resolve, the highlights aren't even close to being overexpose and I can actually push them much further. Voila! No red noise. I'm not sure what is going on. I'm not sure if it's a problem because I can get great footage this way.

[@Crimsonengine]

I think this is because Raw on the c200 is Clog2, but you can only monitor in Clog3, which is a brighter color space. This is kind of a mystery why you can't 'see' the clog2, and hopefully something they'll fix in a future firmware.

[@hyalightfilms4545]

so the actual baked-in gamma is clog2 and changing the settings only results in a monitoring change?

[@Crimsonengine]

Hyalight Films not baked in, because the Raw is just unbayered light information, but it has the exposure of clog2 because that’s the natural range of the sensor. If we get resolve raw module comparability in future versions, it will be easier to choose.

[@hyalightfilms4545]

good to know. appreciate your videos on the c200.

[@isaiahkazarovich]

Great content; you clearly know your stuff! It would be a little easier to understand if you weren’t so choppy with your speaking (maybe try scripting?). Either way, keep up the good work!

[@Crimsonengine]

Thanks Isaiah. I hope I'm getting better at these - this one was from a last year :)

[@isaiahkazarovich]

Crimson Engine Oops, my bad! I definitely should have checked on the date posted. I’ll check out your more recent stuff haha.

[@nils_ninja]

nice video, 24fps ?! looks like 60fps !! nice :)

[@julienesen3863]

Hello Rubidium, I know it's a off topic question but can we use C-Box with Canon C200, with a Cfast to SSD adopter? I mean will it record with the Cfast door open, or not? -Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoDUm4KLfbN1oc0

[@charlessimmons6894]

Love to know that

[@Crimsonengine]

I'm not sure. I don't really want to try it on my unit incase it bricks it :) I wonder if lenspro or one of the rental houses has tried it. Might be worth emailing them. I like my Cfast cards :)

[@julienesen3863]

Thanks for reply I love this camera but cfast cards are too expensive thinking to buy the camera and run it with SSDs if possible

[@huangzhilong75]

lower ios works all the way

[@muhammadobaid7500]

Ur final image is too much contrasty man !

[@arnoldfinkelstein7156]

There is no grain in digital. There is noise.

[@valandilmann4257]

Not much hbu