Corsair RGB Concerns, QX Fan Technicals, & Hybrid GPU Cooler

[@GamersNexus]

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[@KenOtwell]

Why not a ring attached to the blade tips so the whole thing turns? So now the "gap" is zero. With typical hysteresis set at 1 or more seconds, the mass inertia can't be the reason, and weight is irrelevant at a constant speed. What am I missing?

[@TwistedMe13]

1:49 Why not use USB Type-C as the connection standard (And USB PD as the power standard)? Enough with the funky proprietary connectors!

[@shadowminor]

Hopefully you will eventually be able to test all of the new RGB "Ecosystems" and see which is best. or if any are even recommendable.

[@facegamefps6725]

Garbage fans just like all the rest. Slowers latency with corsair software, lian li does some… if you want performance run through motherboard everything.

[@theethicsofliberty4642]

👍

[@ComputingCactus]

These manufacturers NEED to get together and standardize their connectivity. Needing 5 different hookups and spaghetti everywhere makes cable management more of a hassle than it needs to be, ESPECIALLY when all the software sucks ass and you don't know whether everything is wired correctly or the software is a bowl of crap looking in the mirror at itself.

[@YuokoII]

Sadly it won’t happen. They want to hook you on their ecosystem. Just like apple does. You have like one thing from them. And you have to buy their other stuff in order to make it easier for yourself.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

@@YuokoII there's a reason Open RGB exists. It's 3 color values along with brightness... it's not too difficult to do.

[@pliashmuldba]

For a guy that have cut / extended his wires to fit to the mm for years / decades, not that big of a problem. And today the same guy never really big on RGB, well today he literally HATE RGB, so even less of a problem. The guy are also done customizing wires and sleeving, and the guy also way past his OC days. Guy can / will do water cooling, but guy have a poo load of hardline fittings in surplus CUZ guy cant be bothered with that poop anyway so GUY stick to his Tygon hose with next build. Mind you, guy will put 4 radiators in his next build 2 triple and 2 dual.

[@Waffles1313]

Simple solution - just buy fans without RGB. I've got 10 NF-A12s in my system and have never once been upset by the lack of extra lighting.

[@YuokoII]

@@AshnSilvercorp Yeah I use SignalRGB myself. But software won’t fix hardware issue with amount of hubs you need if you are going with different brands

[@Dexx1s]

Even if they don't want to make a single physical standard, it would be pretty damn easy for them to simply provide an API for their hubs, especially if they're being connected to an internal USB connector. At least then, software like OpenRGB can handle multiple environments at the same time and at least some sort of cohesion.

[@CalcProgrammer1]

A standard protocol would be awesome, but I doubt it will happen. I just hope it remains similar enough to their existing controller protocols to make integration into OpenRGB straightforward. Hopefully the new connector at least allows for automatic detection of number of LEDs per device/channel, something the basic ARGB connection lacks.

[@JackieLombardi]

@@CalcProgrammer1 I saw that you made a reddit comment about this on the OpenRGB subreddit, but i hate the way Asrock boards work with OpenRGB...It's so broken because Asrock's RGB solutions are some of the worst on the market...the polychrome sync application is absolutely ridiculous...i hope one day Asrock users will be able to control more in OpenRGB so i don't have to use polychrome sync just to give my PCB lights a different effect than my cooler lights

[@CalcProgrammer1]

@@JackieLombardi Unfortunately in ASRock's case it's a limitation of their RGB controller firmware, not the PC side software. They don't offer "direct mode" which allows for continuous streaming of RGB data from software. Because they save every change to the internal flash memory, it will wear out the flash memory over time if you continuously change the effect.

[@hoilst265]

@@JackieLombardi I turned off RGB in my bios on Steel Legend. It's now back on. I didn't turn it back on. It also stays on sometimes when the PC's shut down. The Polychrome app takes approximately 14 months to actually load and get started from clicking on the icon. Hot. Garbage.

[@ledoynier3694]

To be honest, OpenRGB is also hot garbage. it crashes constantly, and works when it feels like it. But it would be nice indeed if the RGB was managed a bit like HID devices. you can get control from windows, or from the manufacturer's app (or 3rd party). Lets hope MS Dynamic lighting nudges them towards that direction.

[@AaronMartinColby]

I'm glad this is being discussed. I recently went through hell finding parts that don't use any damned proprietary interfaces for RGB. Amazingly the Thermaltake distribution plate supports a ton.

[@Lishtenbird]

I started the previous build with a set of Thermaltake Pure fans for the same reason. I wasted a lot of time trying to make them not be a noisy vibrating mess, and eventually gave up and got a set of Corsair ones. Despite being inferior in terms of performance, at least they somehow managed to be more reliably silent at lowest settings...

[@jim8571]

What...? Just buy any fans that 3pin.

[@AaronMartinColby]

@@jim8571 It wasn't just the fans. It was water blocks, pumps, plates, etc. Like EK would have the plate I wanted, Corsair would have the pump, and Thermaltake the fans, and all of them were mutually incompatible. I was on the hunt for 140mm fans, which made my choices even worse. If I was after 120mm, I would have just used whatever fans with Phantek's Halos.

[@benisrood]

Even better, don't buy or use RGB?

[@BunzJackson]

@@benisrood What a great and useful solution, thank you so much for your input.

[@breademoji]

I really appreciate GN's willingness to express concerns about vendor lockin and other predatory, anti-consumer practices in the hardware space. In a lot of cases you guys are some of the only KZbinrs who are willing to confront those issues head-on, absolutely vital service to the PC community. I'm a big fan of a variety of other popular PC KZbinrs, but you guys are the ones who are most consistently on my side as a consumer, with no tolerance for sycophantry or marketing bullshit

[@Finsternis..]

"predatory, anti-consumer practices" Dude... give 5 people the task to solve a problem and they turn out to be different and not compatible to each other. You cannot, even if it may actually be the case, conclude from that fact alone that there is any maliciousnes in it. To phrase it like that is disingenuous at best. If you want a unified standard that actually works, go and form some kind of forum, think of a system that is useful and upgradable (see how well that works) and in an acceptable price range to manufacture and pay the big player manufacturers to adopt it so the smaller ones follow suite.

[@breademoji]

@@Finsternis.. yeah I realize this situation is more complicated and it’s not some big conspiracy, really just emerging tech where standards aren’t defined yet. But there definitely are a lot of cases in the hardware space where manufacturers could have adhered to standards and chose not to because of greed, and i appreciate when reviewers have the gumption to call out that kind of behavior

[@m4ster_root]

​@@breademoji Same in the software space... Gamers hate having a million launchers, right? That's like having a million fan hubs... The chances of eventually getting an open standard for fan connections is higher than the chances of getting an open API for game launchers. They all make their own, as they want the features they think is cool and needed. Sharing specs would make it possible for consumers to simply buy another brand, it's financially much better for them to force consumers into a proprietary eco-system. If game launchers all had an open API for basic functionality like user management/friend list, lobbies/server invite, chat, voice chat and so on. If launchers allowed you to connect to third party services and list, update and launch games from that service... If launchers had a store that could search across all linked services, then these services could host their own little store section, they wouldn't have that sales cut that eventually made publishers create their own launchers, it would be such a better experience for gamers. One unified launcher with support for all gaming services, no one having monopoly on the launcher/store market... They could all make a launcher the way they think it should look, and simply support the open API for cross-connectivity, seems so simple and smart, but there's no value in it for any of them to do this. If they did Valve/Steam would no longer be able to take their 20% to 30% cut of sales. Valve is in an anti-competitive and anti-consumer position, but unlike so many other brands, people blindly loves Valve and Gabe. These fan standards being proprietary, especially during development is really not that big a deal. Smack a few hubs in your system and use a few apps... Having an open standard also restricts you from how you can develop that standard, especially if you intend for other brands to join in. This is not just software that can easily be modified, this is physical hardware that hopefully stays supported for many years.

[@CalcProgrammer1]

I like the idea of a connector that can connect to multiple different types of cooling, LED, and display devices but I don't like that it's not an open standard. I'm sure we'll be able to add support for the software side in OpenRGB, but the hardware side will remain proprietary. I'm sure it will be reverse engineered, but that won't allow other manufacturers to make compatible stuff without running into potential other issues (software compatibility, legal issues, etc). I wish there was a standard for these other than ARGB headers, but ARGB headers were just repurposing off-the-shelf WS2812B LEDs with a somewhat standardized connector. It became a standard because it was the lazy way to do ARGB. If you want ARGB devices to automatically detect (number of LEDs, number of fans, etc) you will need something more than just basic ARGB and there's no standard there. NZXT did a pretty decent job of this with the Hue 2 accessories (which are just standard WS2812B ARGB accessories with an additional fourth data pin used to indicate device type and number of LEDs). Knowing this, I understand why ARGB connectors alone aren't a viable path to making smarter LED controllers. We run into issues all the time in OpenRGB of people not knowing how many LEDs are in a particular ARGB device or how to resize the zones, and an improved connector standard that has some form of detection eliminates this issue.

[@ronniekregar3482]

But if it's top notch hardware, which it is, then they're still serving a customer who wants it. People want a streamlined experience and it's just not feasible to expect that with a 100 different brands of hardware in 1 PC case lol.

[@MeatNinja]

I'm so happy with OpenRGB 🙏 Nice and lightweight, no bloated crap :] I run two groups of uni fans, which terminate into ARGB and PWM. They go into a single hub (cooler master) which connects to the motherboard only with ARGB and PWM, no extra USB cables. I think this is about as clean of an RGB setup as you can get right now. I understand the shortcomings of ARGB but still prefer this over the proprietary stuff.

[@BobBob-nr1zt]

@@ronniekregar3482 Don't worry, within a year there will be availability of 100 different "brands" of counterfeit Corsair fans...

[@Quizack]

Really appreciate all the hard work that has gone into OpenRGB. PC building would be so much worse without software like OpenRGB, Fan Control, and other programs like them.

[@cpin5224]

i skipped the rgb in my current rig, but as a linux user i have to thank the open rgb devs for not only making rgb tolerable in general, but usable on linux without a windows vm.

[@AndrewBabbitt]

As someone who develops software in the RGB space.... I have been striving to work with companies on at least standardizing the software side of things, it can be really hard to get multiple companies on the same page. It's an absolute nightmare. Creating open APIs and protocols are the way I have approached it and have attempted to get some companies like Corsair and Razer on board

[@cpin5224]

razer really needs it too, their software is atrocious.

[@DeinonychusCowboy]

Great to see this happening, I look forward to using it in 10 years when manufacturers finally settle on a standard connector

[@itsdeonlol]

This is cool, but I think that there should be a universal standard for RGB...

[@CalcProgrammer1]

Unfortunately I don't think it's feasible to have a universal standard for RGB hardware connections at this point. There are too many competing standards and manufacturers are entrenched in their own creations now. However, we absolutely can still standardize the software side! Unfortunately, that standardization means building wrappers around all the proprietary protocols to bring them all into the same standard, but that's what we're trying to achieve with OpenRGB.

[@mr.electronx9036]

100% agree

[@JJFX-]

@@CalcProgrammer1 You guys are doing amazing work. I didn't realize just how convulted this actually was until digging into your software and it seems like a nightmare. Certainly not a project most people would want to take on so thank you for everything you've managed to do so far.

[@Lishtenbird]

With how many fan manufacturers are adding protruding connectors to their fans now, I do have to wonder if case manufacturers will start adding more and more dead space around fans to account for that...

[@RipJawsX95]

That is indeed a very good point and will be very problematic with older cases and not to mention with multiple radiators where the protruding connectors may interfere with your other fans...

[@DrMuFFinMan]

I agree with Steve, it basically makes it so you buy into an ecosystem and either have to replace everything if one thing breaks or switch to a different platform. The sad part is the low power of fans and small amount of data for Argb shouldn't be made so difficult.

[@russbailey420]

While I'm sure you know this and I myself don't know how it will work out, but windows will be trying to implement a RGB control center in an upcoming update. From what I have read they are trying to tie all the RGB ecosystems together. I have little faith that Microsoft can implement this effectively, but a man can dream! Thanks for all the awesome coverage! Very nice to see everyone back doing Computex.

[@jeremytine]

i would be more impressed if someone tried to create an open source standard for cross compatibility

[@CalcProgrammer1]

I've been trying!

[@-opus]

They want you to be locked into their system, forcing you stick with their brand. The same issue applies to battery tools.

[@jeremytine]

@@CalcProgrammer1 by someone I mean a major manufacture, but if you can get the job done and adopted, more power to you.

[@Lishtenbird]

(CalcProgrammer1 is the person behind OpenRGB, for context.)

[@jeremytine]

@@-opus ugh don't get me started on tool batteries

[@AyoKeito]

I remember EK tried to push their own controllers too. They are EOL today. Not surprised. We definitely need more competing standards. Right? Right?? xkcd: 927 "There are 14 competing standards".

[@warpedphreak]

where have you been????? iCue BS been out for years =complete crap and closed Eco

[@Apollo-Computers]

Lol the ekwb controller never worked. Not really sure on the hardware part but the software never did, they shipped hardware with non functional software. They immediately suspended sales and like 6 months later tried "new software" that didn't work either.

[@AyoKeito]

@@Apollo-Computers It kinda worked. I still have one lying around. I was about to hook it back up in my PC a week ago when i needed more temperature sensors, but realized i have no spare USB on my mobo. But the software was trash, that's true.

[@CalcProgrammer1]

RGB hardware with garbage software? Now I want one to try and add it to OpenRGB...

[@AyoKeito]

@@CalcProgrammer1 the one interesting feature it had is 5 temperature sensor ports. I wanted to hook one up to 4090 power connector :D

[@TheGameBench]

I like how Corsair is implementing this, but this NEEDS to be standardized... NOT proprietary. And while they've taken care of my least complaint, spaghetti monster levels of wires, but we have yet to see if they can make an RGB software that doesn't suck. I know Signal and Open RGB exist... but they have their own issues. Also, I had a lot of hardware problems the last time I tried Corsair's RGB fans... so, I'm a bit hesitant to try them again for that issue alone. I think it's also worth noting that the Mini-Fit Jr. standard that the PEG connector uses, on a dual row 6-pin OR 8-pin, is rated for 7 amps with 20ga wire, 8.5 amps with 18ga wire and 10 amps with 16ga wire... per 12v terminal. So, if they're using the standard three 12v terminals in a PEG connector, even on crappy 20ga wire, you could get up to just over 250 watts before you're overloading the connector. Still... best to not exceed the 80% rule. The whole 75/150 watt spec is a PCI Sig spec that's related to sensing and has nothing to do with the actual load rating of the Mini-Fit Jr. standard. The standard pre-dates GPU's even needing dedicated power.

[@flyingtentacle7631]

Imagine if there was already a widely used port that carries both data and power and is relatively cheap to implement. Then we can solve the problem with these fan ecosystems. We could call it "universal fan bus controller" or UFB type C for short. In fact, we could even use it for non-fan related things and call it USB type C for short. That would be super amazing.

[@Destructificial]

USB is WAY too expensive to implement for something like this, and its protocol is unfit for this application. Using USB would add at least $5 to each fan - and you would be limited to linking three or four in a chain. Something like I2C or RS485 is a way better choice.

[@pixelpace_en]

I like how you think but yeah USB C would be ridiculously overkill and expensive for this purpose

[@valhallasashes4354]

Speaking as a builder (ie the customer), if I'm given the choice between closed ecosystem and an open ecosystem, I'm going to choose the open standardized ecosystem every time. Every single time. The flexibility open ecosystems offer over closed can not be understated. Both at the start (even if not initially technically the best), and especially as time and maturity progresses.

[@Xfade81]

I like how you did this video, showing the new stuff but all that background info is really helpful. Learned some things here.

[@billcipher534]

I do think corsair routing the aio power through the sleeving of the tubes was a very neat idea.

[@xaytana]

An open ecosystem for all of these components would be fairly simple, just use i2c. 128 devices on a common 4-wire connection. Not to mention software could be made fairly simply and be universal. Lian Li's approach of having each component being intelligently retained in software would be possible via device ID. This would also cover things like LCDs, it could even expand beyond just fans, LEDs, and LCDs. But the best part is that it could also be easily implemented at the motherboard as well, given it's just a 4pin header. Though part of me wants a 5wire solution, add a PWM line so that the fans will natively work without i2c functionality; but if this is implemented at the motherboard, this then becomes redundant. i2c isn't even the only bus to do this with, there's also UART, etc., i2c is just what I work with most often. The hybrid cooler is interesting, but I have concerns about the one-size-fits-all solution. Personally, I think a telescoping solution could be viable, have a linear slider with gasketed parts, that way a small package can expand to whatever a card requires. A secondary option could be vent louvers so that the air can be better guided, though this is also limited within a top-down design, if a card ever happens to have an atypically wide VRM setup. Another competent option would be to branch the tubing and have a loop just to cool the VRMs, throw a pump in where that fan is, that way fluid is forced through both this secondary channel and the microfins, to avoid path of least resistance issues, and just have a semi-modular fully watercooled setup; the reason for a branched setup would be the fact that VRM cooling would require a much smaller tube diameter, but while being integrated into the main cooler itself you don't need to source a special wye reducer yourself, and the semi-modularity of this provides a cheaper solution for a wider range of cards.

[@AMDRyzenEnthusiastGroup]

Seems like a USB Type C would be a good solution for all the things the fan needs for both data, and power. And not just the primary line going from the hub to the PC, just throughout the entire thing.

[@rdoursenaud]

UTB Type C would be great. The problem is the cost of implementation which would be way too high for the fans and RGB use case. Unless someone comes to the market with a very cheap single chip solution, this is mission impossible.

[@cromefire_]

And ideally you can just open the software once, program the controller once, save it and just leave it closed and it works regardless of OS or system state.

[@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755]

This. Corsair's complete hatred or laziness to get iCUE on linux is baffling. Is it really that much of an inconvenience for the 5 cavemen working on that buggy software to find people to create a version that works for linux?

[@Victor-mn2eu]

Seems like the cabling aspect of PC DIY is going down the same route as software, where everything is proprietary and users are basically being forced to commit to one brand/"ecosystem" to ensure compatibility

[@CalcProgrammer1]

Unfortunately I don't see it happening on the physical/hardware layer, but we're trying to fix this issue in software with OpenRGB!

[@greebj]

The cheap stuff isn't and never will be proprietary. Daisy chained 12v molex ftw 😅

[@spell105]

thank god i hate RGB so none of this affects me!

[@Hyde-Jahf]

Standardize connectors or I keep using individual cabling. Simple as that. I love the idea but same reason I didn't go for the other solutions on my last build. Once there is a standard and I can add other brand fans as needed and I'll be into this.

[@David-yx3bd]

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much. If any of these really catch on? It'll become the standard moving forward, in the mean time? I don't think it'll effect the DIY base at all. For a couple of reasons: 1) Inevitably adapters will come out to make all of this proprietary stuff work with everything else. Proprietary designs really only stay proprietary for a few months. 2) The DIY scene has to deal with a lot bigger hurdles than wiring their fans and RGB. It's an annoyance at most, not a real problem that needs to be solved. They're solving it because it is a convenience, and the upside of convenience? You can charge extra for it. It's the convenience store model. 3) The vast majority of the "blingy" RGB builds you see on instagram and twitter, aren't DIY builds. They are prebuilts, sometimes masquerading as a custom build, but yeah they aren't DIY. 4) For actual DIY? It's like water cooling, it's a subset, and usually in DIY subsets, money and "standards" becomes less of a factor because it's the cool factor. You water cool because it looks cool not because of massive heatloads that really only exist in synthetic tests to begin with.

[@Xavier_Wells]

As far as the universal gpu block thing, i think alphacool has the right idea with their NexXxos gpu blocks. Theres a universal cooler with different brackets and then a fat heatsink that goes around it for the vrms. The only waste when upgrading is the heatsink which is totally recyclable or sellable.

[@EdDale44135]

I hate the proprietary cables. I’m stuck with a set of LianLi fans that are on two different standards for RGB and power. One new, one old. And I cannot find the cable to plug the old fans into the new controller.

[@liarus]

All these good ideas like the mobo connectors on the back (msi, asus, gigabyte), the psu connectors on the side(corsair), the RGB + power daisychain (lian li, corsair, hyte), the GPU powered at the side of the PCIe slot (Asus) needs to be spread between all manufacturers but in an organized way, there is a need for something in the lines of the "The PC Standards foundation" or something, where all manufacturers collaborate to make things like these become standard, AND organized, it's not with all this proprietary stuff that we're gonna go anywhere.

[@bottomtext5872]

What the hell is with every company creating proprietary fan connectors.

[@pkt1213]

Jake from LTT was very enthusiastic in their video. I was waiting Steve to review Corsair's malware. I really like the cordless setup...just need a single standard.

[@fzth-t7s]

That this RGB stuff sells is one of the greatest mysteries.

[@greebj]

Car ppl wonder the same thing about underbody neon Just be glad these people are willing to clearly identify themselves when it comes to the second hand market so you know who to run away from

[@tsundokujim]

now that MSFT is about to build RGB control into Windows, it will be interesting to see if these proprietary systems will be made compatible with it, or if the manufacturers will try to force users into walled gardens.

[@reaperreaper5098]

I forsee Microsoft's implementation of RGB control being the worst option out there, especially with their track record on Win 11.

[@tsundokujim]

@@reaperreaper5098 I just want to be able to turn the stuff off without needing to run bloatware to do it. My MB has a switch to turn Polychrome (ASRock's RGB control) off in the BIOS, but I still have to run the separate Polychrome app in Windows to keep the RAM and GPU lights turned off across reboots. That's crazy.

[@t0mn8r35]

As a minimalist DIY'er who doesn't like LED I went for the Lian-Li connectables to eliminate the wiring spaghetti. This let me use 2 fan connectors for 6 fans. Very neat. I would like to hear what the various manufacturers have to say about the Microsoft LED control software that is coming. Some of the manufacturers software (I'm looking at you Corsair iCue) is total rubbish.

[@MrThorp1]

i really enjoy these vendor specific" whats new" vids. Thanks for all the work.

[@ChrisOfSDUB]

Glad to see some GPU hybrid options returning. It was weird that there was no Kraken G12 type device for 30-series.

[@D6isD6]

The lack of a concrete, open, and standardized system for ARGB control is a significant part of why I've never bothered with it and instead seek out parts with as little RGB as possible. Preferably none. I do not care to lock myself into a single "ecosystem" or have to juggle a bunch of different (and usually terrible) control software that all has to be running at the same time for anything to work. Once I can download a single piece of software to control everything, and once it's set up how I like it either leave it closed (with nothing running in the background, looking at you, Razer) or uninstall it entirely, I'll give ARGB a real look. Until then, closed black boxes with no lights for me.

[@mycosys]

I wish that one of these major RGB companies would just add their dev time to OpenRGB. I would honestly just buy their stuff for that.

[@RafitoOoO]

The fans are awesome, but proprietary stuff usually suck

[@aquilarossa5191]

How is it proprietary? The definition of that in computers would be Apple and how they only let you use certain hardware and peripherals. Corsair is just a brand and do not have propriety computer systems like Apple do (you can put just about any PC compatible hardware in a Corsair case for example). Phanteks, Noctua or Deepcool are brands. Are they propriety too? Their iCue is trying to be a unified system for lighting and stuff, but it does let you use other brands, unlike Apple and their propriety attitude to hardware. I have iCue and it does support using other brands. It's a bit janky though. I end up having to use several programs to control my RGB stuff. A pain in the butt really. Ciao.

[@moldyshishkabob]

​@@aquilarossa5191 Can you stick a set of Lian Li Unifans into this setup? They don't use the same fan hub connector as this new one.

[@RafitoOoO]

@@aquilarossa5191 lmao a Corsair white knight

[@extreme123dz]

@@RafitoOoO instead of Corsair white knight intead you can call him a trash garbage price os crap sheep.

[@ronniekregar3482]

​@@moldyshishkaboblol, why the hell would you even wanna do that?

[@torihanzo3785]

Thank you for pushing out videos like a mad man :)

[@garethevans9789]

I don't want an eco system just an open standerd for compined PWM/ARGB cables. With Open software to access LEDs & LCDs.

[@whatthe9078]

The thing with lian li, is if you buy the single pack of fans, they have a proprietary connection that goes to the fan, and then splits into the standard pwm and 3pin argb. Huge time/money saver especially if you only need 3 or 4 fans

[@DukeNuggets69]

Just wanted to say, loving the vidéos from France

[@Jirekianu]

One thing I like about my corsair commander xt hub. It has generic pwm fan connectors that are compatible with any pwm fan you slap into them. So I can use Noctuas for high performance static pressure, and corsair QL fans for rgb.

[@caffarellaailyze7609]

Dat RGB flashbang grade "ecosystem" is what drove me to just standard fan for casing, No RGB = Less cable, no need pricy controller too, basic one work fine.

[@johnpeterson8674]

Imagine the sleep schedule of GN right now lol. Thank you for the continuous coverage.

[@dennissmith1435]

Thanks Steve for not being a shill for the companies at Computex and giving real indebt pro and con reviews of products rather than simply taking about the claims of the companies. Some of the reviews from others sound like the company wrote the script and it's curious when those softball reviews are for the companies that sponsored the KZbinr's trip to Computex. Especially when those are the ONLY products the KZbinr reviews rather than a broad coverage of the most interesting products at Computex.

[@Chef_-xv7ms]

Really nice video because you made it diffirent to others and where you explained in depth and it was fair points for production company and consumer point! well executed!👍

[@justatim8143]

I Agree 100% that WE NEED a Standard for ALL FANS not just by Name Brand and ALL NEED to Connect The Same Way.

[@G0dspeeeed]

makes sense, would be cool if they released it to be an open standard....

[@JackTotGaming]

I just bought the QX120 Starter Kit that comes with 3 fans and the hub (for $159.99) and Corsair only includes a single cable and not the 90 degree one. I am using these in a Corsair 4000D Airlfow case and man that non angled cable is a tight fit. I also purchased an additional QX120 for rear exhaust (very common config) and that was $49.99 and the kicker is that is DOES NOT include a cable to connect to the hub so it is basically un-usable unless physically connected to the other fans. Seriously Corsair? Corsair sells additional cables (no in stock of coarse) for $19.99 plus $9.99 shipping so I need another $30 to even use my $50 fan. I am returning everything and going with some Lian Li fans. I consider myself a bit of a Corsair fanboy (no pun intended) but this is really something else.

[@DanielSanDIC]

I'll just wait until OpenRGB gets support for these fans tbh

[@CalcProgrammer1]

Corsair stuff tends to be relatively similar to their existing stuff. I doubt their new ARGB controller will be too difficult to implement, though if they added new features to auto-detect the fan LED configuration that would be additional work (though nice to have for simplicity).

Support them by donating this hardware to them if you want them to support it.

[@talis84]

I got turned off from Corsair just recently. I have an issue with my Virtuoso SE and they are being hardball on the warranty. I have the headset, an AIO (and their fans), a PSU, and keyboard all from Corsair. It sucks that they are faceless and after a while of sending emails, ghost me as a warranty claim.

[@-opus]

How good a company is only becomes known when you need customer service.

[@cpin5224]

corsair's support is some of the worst in the industry, with asus leading the pile good luck on your returns, i learned this lesson a long time ago

[@curtismariani6303]

I don’t mind iCue, it has got better in recent years. I saw in another video Corsair may licence the tech to allow other manufacturers the ability to build for the eco system. It a shame there isn’t one standard across the industry, given most components are, it is surprising this hasn’t happened yet. Looking forward to the full review once released.

[@dodger7183]

​@@sinAnon6689 Yes, greed. and profit, you can take your fantasies of the "poor component makers" and stuff it.

[@dodger7183]

@@sinAnon6689 and at the end of the day, that is worth it for the macro-level benefits, i would much rather have a smaller, "less innovative", tech sector, if it meant being organized along more egalitarian open-source and shareware based philosophy, rather than one slanted to give the already-rich more baskets of money to dump into the vault.

[@HermSezPlayToWin]

Thanks Steve!

[@CheapSushi]

That Corsair Hybrid GPU cooler is super interesting! I love the idea of something you can carry over from GPU to GPU. I also wanted to say I absolutely HATE how freaking bloated every damn RGB software is. Why the hell can it not JUST be super efficient snappy just to change the RGB coloring? All the ones I've used have so much extra BS in it, even freaking stats about everything from my CPU, GPU, HDD, everything. I just freaking want it to be simple as hell to change the colors. And now even within the same company, such as Corsair with iCue my K55 keyboard and my RAM don't work together. I have to use an older version for my K55 to work properly and a newer version for my RAM to show up but then my Keyboard goes into an endless driver off and on loop where I can't even force an update or anything.

[@henrydrago]

The problem that I see in almost of that similar fans connections is proprietary connectors and bad softwares

[@MiddleofKnowhere]

i really wish they'd just make an icue capable 3-pin (standard 3-pin) argb box with 6-12 (closer to 12) 3-pin connectors. I have a lot of EK stuff with standard connections along with my corsair fans. It would be nice to just plug them into a box, have icue see it, and away I go.

[@ReluctantReader]

really impressed with Corsair

[@Krackorn]

Corsair has won my money again. There just great fans. I’m currently using QL120s x9.

[@kBitre]

It's been a long time since we've had any General purpose GPU blocks, I think most of us would want today

[@Ja-cs1zd]

That slow spinning hologram effect looks so cool, but I guess it only works on the new fans

[@shadow7037932]

I don't see the RGB situation improving until Intel and/or AMD comes up with a standard.

[@k9online]

Every time Steve uses the word "massive" I'm happy.

[@FerrumAnulum]

On my new computer i got a set of the lian li uni fans. And while the fans are gorgeous and cable management is a breeze! It really is that connector and control box, at least they did give you a pair of 3 pins to TRY and unify things.

[@NederlandsPersoon]

I like openrgb for this, if it support everything you have in your system. For me it has been working great

[@intelmike181]

If a company in the DIY space can do this it would be corsair. Their fans, AIOs and Cases have always been pretty popular and generally well received with a few missteps here and there. Plus they now have Origin PC and their own prebuilds to showcase and highlight things like this new "ecosystem" Only time will tell. Also for quite a few years one of the most popular DIY builds was Evga GPU, Asus MB, and corsair for case, ram, psu, aio, plus accessories, etc. If they offer DIY build bundles it might be pretty enticing, and then just drop in GPU, CPU, and MB of choice. Great work Steve and GN!

[@tessierrr]

icue sucks tho

[@dakai4992]

iCue alone is a good reason to never buy a Corsair product again. How can the software be so shit. The configurator from my old Sharkoon periphere was a few MB and OpenRGB isn't much bigger.

[@speedydanny4624]

one thing i really...really dont like it about those RGB fans... and that is...they are literaly reducing the fan size just to add rgb in there (around the fan blades) i do not aprove that. i noticed that when i got some fans that were just like those corsairs, so they are reducing airflow just to add led's around it?

[@Gildermesh]

Love your delivery. Great video

[@randomhobbyist99]

had issues with Corsair with the rbg working in and off.

[@KellicTiger]

I'm just sitting here thinking that Asus has a mobile booth outside in a semi that takes off the minute they see Steve and drives around the block a few times until he's gone. That's why we haven't seen him walk through Asus's stuff.

[@Claudethechiefsfan]

My biggest question: While cool, are the fans any good?

[@Madness801]

The moment lian li made their uni fans people should've copied that instead of the case because one cable for three fans is just amazing

[@AshleyHorne1]

I’m currently building a 1000D case with 34 Corsair LL120 fans and I haven’t even been able to work out how all the fans and RGB will work but it might be easier to sell the fans and buy these fans if there the same thickness

[@BansheeBunny]

15:43 Put heatsinks on your VRM with double sided thermal tape or go for broke and use thermal adhesive.

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

RGB "Ecosystem" Concerns, for some time I had been naming RDM/DMX512 is better for lighting control systems instead of using the SPD/VRM/PMbus, just no one got the memo. The QX fan plug thing is 'smart' for sure, better than some other options I've seen over the years.

[@grgspunk]

This proprietary RGB bullshit is something that Corsair's been doing for years. This is 100% intentional on their part. They've been using their own proprietary A-RGB connector that will only fit properly on a iCUE Commander hub this entire time--If you try to connect their proprietary connector to a standard 3-pin mobo header, the contacts inside will be too loose and it won't work. This is just Corsair being Corsair. It's a shame that Hyte is trying to do the same thing.

[@CalcProgrammer1]

At least Corsair's existing 3-pin ARGB connector is still electrically compatible with existing ARGB devices (+5, GND, WS2812B-compatible Data). You can buy Corsair-to-3-Pin and 3-Pin-to-Corsair adapters. It looks like the new connector will be electrically different, though maybe just adding additional signals and leaving the standard ARGB line in place. This hopefully will at least allow auto detection of the number of fans/LEDs connected whereas right now you have to manually specify this in software.

[@grgspunk]

@@CalcProgrammer1 There was still absolutely no good reason for them to make that older proprietary connector in the first place. The only reason why they did that was to force you to use their iCUE Commander hubs. If they wanted to really be pro-consumer while introducing this new tech, they could've done the same thing with EKWB's Loop FPT fans and just integrate a daisy-chainable A-RGB/PWM dual cable into the fan, which you would then connect to an (included) extension cable that splits into *standardized* A-RGB and PWM connectors--Connectors that you can plug *directly* into a mobo. There was no reason to introduce this "ecosystem" shit other than to get us to buy extraneous accessories made exclusively by Corsair. There's no way they would include those iCUE hubs with the fans.

[@HAL--ov4qu]

Fans are just getting crazy! Seems like just a few years ago a fan was a fan.

[@seanC3i]

If Corsair really wanted to solve this problem, they could make standard 3-pin 5V ARGB components but also make/offer a new controller that could oversee all types of 5V devices properly.

[@nicholasvinen]

That thumbnail needs more quotation marks! 😂

[@pf100andahalf]

I fixed the rgb issue by not having any rgb.

[@hollowknight9158]

Proprietary connectors were the first thing that bothered me when I saw the Lian Li video, sure it's cool what they're trying to do, although I have no need for an lcd screen inside a PC or on a fan. What manufacturers could do is sit down and present their current designs and what they have planned. Take the connector that has the most pins and add 2-4 reduntant ones so you don't need to come up with a new connector a year later and make a design, and in case USB-C meets the spec they could just use that.Ideally they would use the same API that talks to the pins, but they could have their own software on what they want to do.

[@mikes2381]

Usually the company that puts their standard out for the others to use, even so much as open source, that company usually sticks around for a long time, does well financially and is well liked by the community and other competitors

[@intoxicode]

was really amazed when corsair released the maglev rgb fans, them promptly abandoned them in later revisions..

[@dannymitchell6131]

I think it's funny that the community that's upset about GPU prices are happy to pay higher prices for lesser fans as long as they have pretty lights. A lot of these products do look nice though. My Corsair SP140s have been running for about 7 years now, still running great.

[@vipersb1]

I miss the old days, the pre-RGB days...

[@RPOTI79]

I wish there was a central rgb/fan control centre in the windows OS itself. Make rbg connectors standardized across brands. No need for 3rd party software if the end user chooses so.

[@ledoynier3694]

Actually, Microsoft is working on implementing RGB control right from windows with "Dynamic Lighting". I believe it's available for testing on the insider versions right now.

[@RPOTI79]

@@ledoynier3694 oh awesome! Will definitely help reduce need for these low quality apps

[@Ruhrpottpatriot]

The Thing is: We already have a suitable connection standard: USB. Just slap a mini PCB that handles the incoming USB data stream (with the move to 35mm fans and enclosed fan cases this gets even easier)and chain the stuff. Problem solved.

[@tiagotiagot]

Is there any hope of the industry getting together and establishing an open standard that will let the user pick whatever brand of devices and software they want and be able to trust it will work?

[@LiVeWiRez]

Great mini review of the fans. Are the finish of the fans there the final versions ? The finish of the fan doesn't look as premium as the cost will probably end up being, particularly the led strips design on the sides look pretty cheap/unimpressive compared to the Lian-li infinity fans and Phanteks D30. Also, why'd they leave such a big gap for those 2 strips when multiple fans are in series ?

[@akachristdawg]

i'm sure in 5-10 years we will have a standard but until then i'm sticking to the fans i've got

[@YuJay]

Corsair RGB to me is the best in terms of ecosystem, but all their fans are loud AF.. and most people don't know how to tune their Fan Curves and the default is over the top when cooling. Corsair needs to invent some sort of Smart Fan Curve test to set your Fan Curves based on a iCUE hardware test.

[@WildRapier]

@Gamers Nexus Steve, @3:09 I'd put my money on bearing fatigue over time rather than material expansion over time to cause fan rubbing. I've rebuilt more pumps than I can remember, all types, a lot of various materials, fans are basically air pumps, air is fluid, you get where I'm going. I'd also bet a big chunk of fan cost is the bearing itself. My question, wouldn't it be easier to save money on the manufacturing cost for cheap fans by using cheaper bearings rather than some sort of time based expanding polymer (I did chuckle, sorry it's the chemistry background). Food for thought!

[@KYSMO]

maltake distribution plate supports a ton. 95 Gamers Nexus Reply 11 replies meadow meadow 14 hours ago (edited) I really appreciate GN's willingness to express concerns about vendor lockin and other predatory, anti-consumer practices in the hardware space. In a lot of cases you guys are some of the only KZbinrs who are willing to confront those issues head-on, absolutely vital service to the PC community. I'm a big fan of a variety of other popular PC KZbinrs, but you guys are the ones who are most consistently on my side as a consumer, with no tolerance for sycophantry or marketing bullshit 53 Reply 1 reply Lishtenbird Lishtenbird 15 hours ago With how many fan manufacturers are adding protruding connectors to their fans now, I do have to wonder if case manufacturers will start adding more and more dead space around fans to account for that... 23 Reply DeinonychusCowboy DeinonychusCowboy 14 hours ago Great to see this happening, I look forward to using it in 10 years when manufacturers finally settle on a standard connector 9 Reply CalcProgrammer1 CalcProgrammer1 15 hours ago I like the idea of a connector that can connect to multiple different types of cooling, LED, and display devices but I don't like that it's not an open standard. I'm sure we'll be able to add support for the software side in OpenRGB, but the hardware side will remain proprietary. I'm sure it will be reverse engineered, but that won't

[@quonslecn7755]

For what I can certainly imagine a premium product commanding a premium price, the black frame looks cheap like recycled tires or something

[@Krashulka]

Nope, it took me ages to get all my RGB fans of different brands to work together. At least I can replace my fans if needed with the standard 4 pin plug RGB and FAN connector. Cheers

[@antikommunistischaktion]

It'd be nice if all of these manufacturers could settle on a common control specification so that Linux support would be a guarantee. Even on Windows if you want to use a 3rd party control interface (like SignalRGB) you're still relying on the patchwork of drivers for every oem you have.

[@clintmurphy5436]

When will these fans be available for purchase?

9:14 All proprietary connectors that doesn't look good. The Fan hub should be able to terminate on a 4 Pin hub or at least work the fan control should work outside of IQUE. The PCI-E power connector shouldn't need an adapter.

[@qazwsx000xswzaq]

We need some open standards/specifications and open source development on this front. It's heading from a mess to utter chaos....

[@dangingerich2559]

I'd still like to see someone come out with a waterblock for my X520 NIC.