Costs of Driving - 300zx and Porsche 928 Maintenance Costs - Cars of the Past | Everyday Driver

[@andrewyoung220]

That 2022 Toyota GR86 for $30,000 is starting to look like a great value.

[@Laggyness]

I got my 2013 FRS brand new for 25,100$ and it was totally worth it. I'm sure the GR86 is going to be totally worth it. If I hadn't paid off my FRS, I would have been at the dealer signing papers for a GR86.

[@jamieboer3466]

@@Laggyness Subaru dealer told me to f off bc I'm apart of their VIP membership when I asked about a new brz

[@Exploring-The-Way]

But which is more interesting and cooler?

[@DriverGuy23]

I just sold my 718 & got a GR86. Best thing I ever did. The 718 was just due for its 20k service and needed new tires as well. I saved $2k in maintenance just by getting rid of the Cayman and got 2yrs free maintenance with the GR86, not to mention all the money I’m going to save on future maintenance with the Toyota. To top it all off, I like the GR86 better than the Cayman inside, out and performance wise. Only done 500 miles so far and I’m stoked!

[@dr.gordonshumway7116]

@@DriverGuy23 that’s great to hear. Going to drive an 86 tomorrow

[@shawnstanford264]

There's an old saying among us 928 owners: "Every 928 is $15k away from being a $10k car." But I guess with inflation, it's now "Every 928 is $40k from being a $20k car!"

[@EverydayDriver]

This is both awesome and terrible. Thanks for watching!

[@mangaku1]

Honestly a PPI would never have unearthed all those engine problems.

[@928pcar]

One of mine is 40k away from being a $40k car, so we’re getting somewhere lol

[@luannroberts7167]

Actually a 928 is worth 100k to a 180k car but whatever 😂

[@bernhardtsuballa5341]

Best commend accordin 928 I ever heard!!! I am German and my garage told me "we only need 3 customers with Porsche 928 for to survive. These cars are horrible expencive to maintain.".

[@Jorge_Magallon]

Great video! Ouch 40k in repairs. Talk about the “Porsche Tax”.

[@kmieciu4ever]

"investment" AKA money pit ;-)

[@trevorsmith2006]

To be fair, it's "only" about $28k in repairs. The car itself is the rest of the $40k.

[@Garabins1]

$13,000 car is worth less than its $28,000 in repairs, “I’m happy”...that’s a loss

[@trevorsmith2006]

@@Garabins1 When sorted or well maintained 928s are going for two to three times Paul's total investment, it's not a loss.

[@smithsfan425]

Damn for that money….

[@mitchellharris9854]

This has been my favorite series I’ve seen you make. I’m a young man and I’ve put 45,000 miles on my mgb in 4 years. I hope to never stop driving it.

[@EverydayDriver]

We're glad you're enjoying it that much. Thank you very much for watching and we're thrilled you're driving your MGB!

[@gabeandkarmenramirez476]

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[@Paul-ez1mj]

Good to see Paul is as willing to spend money on his own car as he tries to convince others to spend on a car 😁 Todd, love those wheels!!

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

I like the wheels as well. I also like that they are VERY period correct.

[@jimiverson3085]

Paul's experience highlights the old PCA rule - never buy a car without a pre-purchase inspection.

[@jacquesc3166]

Agreed. Sadly however, some cars are in such demand that sellers will take money from the 1st buyer who waives it off. Convenience for the seller, tons of risk to the buyer. Some of us persist and get lucky... others simply do not, and inherit "money pits". In my case it took months before I was first in line calling in on an 07 Z33 roadster, and was lucky enough to find out a 62 year old gentleman was selling it after 10 years of careful ownership. Those stories are rare from what I gather on forums.

[@nutsackmania]

I've never had a PPI and owned 35 cars, 10 of them Porsches. Then again, I bother to understand how they work and service them myself which means I'm not allowed to join PCA.

[@computerhelpcc]

@@nutsackmania Now now, needless provocation. PCA very friendly people, some wrench, many don’t, and without PCA organized events I would not have time to enjoy routes someone else figured out. Economy needs my computer maintenance skills more than my beginner auto mechanic skills, and I got kids to raise, elderly mom to assist, piano, second language etc to attend to. Besides, PCA event looks better when a few hot, stylish gals like my wife attend amidst a sea of men whose partners skipped…

[@vincesacco5291]

Paul, in my opinion your experience illustrates why old Porsches are such a poor investment for the person of average financial means. $40k and that’s with a friend who helped you rebuild the engine. Compare that to a Japanese car if the same era and a $3.9k investment in repairs. I love your content, however I cannot justify $23k for an old 928 and the cost of ownership post purchase.

[@928pcar]

Vince, that’s why owning a 928 takes a bit of insanity. I unfortunately was one who became obsessed with the 928 and it’s history. 3 cars later and I regret nothing. But the ownership cost is spot on here. You buy a bad 928 and want to restore it? I mean fully restore it….$60k easily, my new ‘84 Euro build will cost around $65k with me doing all the work.

[@DjNikGnashers]

Oh man, that 928 is so nice.

[@MrWhite-yg6yk]

Funny how the 300zx is a money pit if you want to do an awesome build. The 928 is a money pit if you just want to drive it... lol

[@errminor3044]

I totally understand Paul's situation here. Don't worry about those who says it's economic fail or something. It is more important that you had taken care of the car and made it beautiful from the bad. Respect for you and I hope you enjoy the car forever.

[@alphasaur]

those wheels are absolute money on this 300zx. If you ever decide to sell the 300zx I think it'd be hard to pass up.

[@KeopsTV]

"How much did you sink in the Porsche 928?" "Yes."

[@spont24]

As an owner of multiple 300ZX’s, this series has been one of my favorites on KZbin in a long time

[@slickman5969]

gimmie one

[@jamieboer3466]

I'm looking to get into one myself, any suggestions on what to watch for?

[@wingspantt]

@@jamieboer3466 leaky t tops, electrical problems, bad turbos, bad cold starts, bad pulleys, engine bay rust etc, at least from what I've seen

[@spont24]

@@slickman5969 never, once you get one you never wanna let go lmaooo

[@spont24]

@@ErrorMoose I think it looks really good, not my favorite Z but definitely a massive step up from the Z33 and Z34 imo, can’t wait to see the aftermarket for it

[@JuanLopez-kw9of]

For most sports car enthusiasts, rationale and logic never enter the equation. It's all about passion and the emotional connection to the car. That explains Paul's decision to spend the money on the Porsche. Find a car that speaks to you and go for it! In the end it's all about the lived experience. Life's too short, live it!

[@leviathan5207]

Well, you need an abundance of cash to do that. For everyone actually having a finite amount of money to work with, a reliable sports car like the MX5 is the obvious and often times only choice. If money was no issue, everyone would be driving around in 911s and Lotuses, Loti, whatever the plural of Lotus is.

[@Carlos.Rivera]

Both of you have have right. Now i need someone who can chime in "middle ground"

[@JBsC6]

@@leviathan5207 I daily drive my 2020corvette z51 and i agree with you. Cost of ownership should always be a consideration ...durability reliability and cost of repairs are something to try and consider before purchase. Thats one of the reason Ive been driving corvettes because cost of repairs as well as minimal needs are part of the charm Everyday driver rocks as these guys really bring content we as enthusiasts are always dreaming about and wondering what the ownership experience would be like.

[@VirtualGuth]

@@leviathan5207 Note that he didn't say it had to be an expensive or exotic sports car. He was only using such logic as a way to explain why Paul was able to spend the kind of money on the Porsche that he did. Though the MX-5 enjoys the popularity it does because they are cheap as chips, there are still plenty of owners that are plenty passionate about them. Even when given how cheap MX-5's are, the average person would still consider them to be totally illogical given their size and lack of storage space. Still, there is no doubting that little Mazda speaks to plenty of people.

[@jaappesman7899]

Have an 84 944. Really liking the 928, especially in this color.

[@feralmale1517]

Ive always considered the 928 to be the most gorgeous car ever built.

[@chaseduncan2569]

Great video! That 928 repair bill definitely hurts!

[@commantrosexetlos4700]

Now it's way cheaper to own than a mini cooper.. Very simple beast engine actually

[@terminatedphil]

Man that 928 is looking good 🔥

[@996Revival]

Watching the 928 get its engine refresh and the parts washed put a huge smile on my face😃

[@GTE_Channel]

The Nissan is so timeless.... Early 928 have a special place in my memories aswell

[@angrygardener2430]

Loving this series and thanks for being honest about 928 cost of ownership. Bought my “cheep” S4 a few years ago (for similar money) and have now completed all the deferred maintenance, repaint and retrim. I’m so financially underwater I have to drive in scuba gear but the result is a custom built Porsche 928 to my personal spec’. One of a kinds. #builtnotbought

[@WebbRacingdotcom]

Great job with this series, guys! I love seeing these cars from my enthusiast past (I worked at a Porsche dealership in the mid 80s and for HKS in the early 90s), and I'm glad that they're being enjoyed as they were intended. I've also put my money where my mouth is and purchased a 1994 Corvette 6-speed. A C4 Corvette really wasn't my primary focus, but as I looked at cars from the 80s and 90s the value proposition of the LT1 C4 became apparent. I picked up a really clean, one-owner car with only 58k miles on it. Now that I live within a mile of great mountain roads, I can't wait to spend more time behind the wheel.

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you're enjoying this! Congrats on your C4, and thanks for watching!

[@michaelthebarbarian3380]

Awesome! I got a 96 and love it as well. Great cars, aren't they?

[@WebbRacingdotcom]

So far I'm enjoying it quite a bit. It feel light and lively by today's standards.

[@ScottOmatic]

The C4 has massive value for the money, and is something I often ponder. This coming from a 928 owner.

[@oilystair]

This is such a cool series. I own a mint 1987 928 S4 and have done for quite some time. Am I the only one who has only had to do scheduled maintenance on theirs ?. I think the only things that have broken are an indicator, a vacuum pipe that took about 20 mins to fix myself and, more recently, one of the horns stopped. I picked up some Lexus replacements for $20. Ill count myself lucky but have had really good help from the epic 928 on line community. Hope I haven't tempted fate now Ive said all this !!! :-)

[@Pulsonar]

Sounds like you’ve have had a great car to begin with. My 928 S4 averaged around $2000 a year over 13 years ownership. It was simply my dream car and would’ve gladly spent more if I had to. I’d still be my pride and joy today had I not lost my job and hit hard times following a death in the family.

[@joeblownorty]

Paul, fellow 928 owner. Love your car. Can't wait to see the next 3 legs of the series. One thing I noticed on your engine is that the air filter is installed upside down. The orange tab in the center should be facing down. The hump should face up as it helps with the venturi effect. Don't flip it over now though or you run the risk of dirt going into the intake. Just remember for next time. Happy motoring!

[@themockalove]

My God, the amount of money that went into the 928. That hurt more than I expected

[@dielaughing73]

The contrast with the Nissan could not be more pronounced. I know it's only one example, but it's exactly why most of us steer clear of depreciated Euro luxury cars despite their appeal.

[@themockalove]

@@dielaughing73 even 24k for a 300zx would've been unheard of a couple years ago. But yeah, Japanese vehicles in general are far more cost efficient vs most euro cars.

[@jeffreyspencer4005]

Paul, the amount of money you've spent on that 928 so far made me break out in a cold sweat. I'm glad you love it (and your enthusiasm for Porsche led me to my Boxster S), but I have to wonder how much more 928 you could have found for $41,500?? My dad taught me to always buy the absolute best you can afford--as it is usually cheaper in the end. At least you've got it mostly right now and you love it...that is what matters! Look forward to more in this series, guys! Thank you both for doing this...

[@jamieboer3466]

Modern cars, could get a new Z potentially, gr86 brz, old cars, alot.

[@antirsipowermate]

At least he could've bought the 968 version which is a much prettier and modern 928. You can import one from Germany and restore it in that budget

[@GoldenCroc]

@@antirsipowermate Wait, what?.... I think you got some numbers mixed up here, 968 hasnt got anything in common with a 928 at all... And not really any more modern either. The only modern sort of 928 equivalent from the same manufacturer is a 911 with some luxury goodies added..

[@antirsipowermate]

@@GoldenCroc Fair point.

[@chatwithaninja]

@@antirsipowermate funny you mention that because I learn to drive manual in a 928 and was thinking a 968 might be a good alternative. Sadly not though with all of the differences. I guess I just need to Pony up for a 928 manual

[@kyledoesntgetit5602]

Man, yous guys had been alluding to the cost of maintenance for the 928 for weeks, but $28k is beyond what I would've reasonably imagined. You might just have to keep it forever, Paul!

[@brandonjames1606]

This episode explains amazingly the mass exodus to Japanese cars in the 80's and 90's

[@cayman9873]

Todd the wheels look great now.

[@Clodrock]

Bought a fairly clean and completely stock 2005 Audi TT Quattro 3.2 DSG with 115K miles for $5000. It runs great! After seeing this, I’m not going to feel bad spending extra cash on this thing. Great series, BTW!

[@R3LF13]

Paul is a low key wrench who is modest about it and I dig that about him.

[@LotusOwnersOfTexas]

I think my old 300ZX Twin Turbo holds the record for the car that has cost me the most in power steering fluid. Also, I used to hate the HICAS on the highway in the wet, made the car feel like it was oversteering. So many memories seeing your old cars.

[@Exploring-The-Way]

Looking at the beauty of these two engines just reinforces my hatred of plastic covers Porsche's legacy support is amazing

[@CarbonPhoenix96]

honestly, the wheels look great. I agree the stock wheels severely date the car, same deal for the supra

[@nick4506]

i think the car dates itself, bubbly melted bar of soap design for all cars of this era.

[@CarbonPhoenix96]

@@nick4506 I'd argue that's more of a 2000's thing. Sure you can tell this is from the 90s, but it certainly doesn't look like many other cars in the era

[@rushnerd]

@@nick4506 I think it looks like a time machine from the future. I don't like modern car designs at all. I agree on the 93' Supra wheels, they are kind of bland. Conversely I think the 86.5-92 Supra sawblade wheels are pretty darn neat even though I'm upgrading out of them.

[@nick4506]

@@CarbonPhoenix96 the bubbilyness is like a continuum starts with the porche 959 in 1986. then you got things like the first gen viper mk4 supra, second gen mr2, dodge stelth, ferrari f355. and the diablo. the 300zx even has the same headlights with the diablo and fits right in with that company. and the porche 928 is double checked up on a Thursday afternoon. normie cars have a different timeline about 10 years off. at the same time these bubbly sports cars were roaming around on the normie side people were dirveing e30s and preludes sharp and slim cars. and its like late 90's early 2000 that the melted soap bar comes to the daily drivers and you get ford scorpios, pt cruisers, new minis, chevy hhr. tbh I don't really like bubbly cars, I'm a sucker for box flares, the new-ish mustangs look just like the e30s I wanted back then. i like where design is going more of a return to form to before the bars of soap.

[@VirtualGuth]

I don't mind the wheels that Todd chose, but I also dig the stock wheels. From my perspective, severely dating the car is a good thing when compared to any vehicles being made today. In an era where designers have to comply with so many safety regulations while also incorporating so much digital technology, timeless car design is a thing of the past. Yet there's no denying that the performance and safety offered by today's car is unlike anything we've seen. Everything is a compromise.

[@jeffcarruthers2605]

I'm a retired automotive tech and during my career, I acquired a significant amount of experience on the 928/944 models at a Porsche dealer in western Canada. I watched this video with interest on your 928 experience. It would seem that you bought this car without doing a pre-purchase inspection. Correct me if I'm wrong. Your friend offered the use of his shop to "work on it" after buying the car. I lost track of the number of customers bringing me a car to check out after they bought it. The result was usually deep regret. I find it inconceivable that anyone would buy a car like this without having a thorough pre purchase inspection. You admit to having no mechanical skills or experience so this inspection would be a must do. Even with my experience I wouldn't touch a 928 without checking it out first. Simple common sense. You paid the price and seem ok with it and hopefully your viewers have learned something. There is no such thing as a cheap Porsche. Do your homework and make an informed decision. And make sure you are financially able to own this kind of car.

[@TheChimples]

What would the prepurchase inspection (PPI) have told him though? There is probably not one original 928 out there in pristine mechanical condition. Point is that the PPI would have been a waste of time if "there is no such thing as a cheap Porsche". The assumption (and correctly so) is that all 928's out there are in crap condition and need extensive repairs to make them safe and roadworthy. I mean there are only that many 928's out there for sale. It's not like he had a plethora of choice. Beggars can't be choosers. Take it or leave as they say.

[@kevinjekyll1521]

i love this series, I'm a bit biased as I'ved owned both, especially the 300zx twin turbo manual. Still have a 928s4, sadly only the auto. I look forward to more adventures and insights on these great cars.

[@EverydayDriver]

Thanks for watching and enjoying!

[@JBsC6]

Both these sports cars are timeless design for sure. Larger wheels on the turbo does make the design more contemporary. The costs of the 928 is daunting for many of us. 40 grand into the 928 is a lot of money. Im glad Paul loves his 928

[@cayman9873]

Paul. So impressed with your engine work. Thats pretty deep

[@troyammons9994]

I have owned 4 928s over the years, and they are beautiful cars and the superb handling and comfort can only be explained by driving one. They are money pits if you don't buy them in good shape and still can be if you do. The first 928s I owned, 50k miles and 4 years old, I really did very little to it over 3 years. Typical stuff though, water pump timing belt, brakes. They eat rear tires, like a set of rears per year. The last 928 I owned, I figured doing the work myself, including a new set of rear tires every year, I was spending about $250-300 a month. That was almost 20 years ago.

[@michaelblumfield3933]

Paul's optimism in the face of being slaughtered with repair costs on the 928 reminds me of the Black Knight's commitment to the fight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail." "'Tis just a flesh wound!"

[@EverydayDriver]

Great analogy! He’s feeling far more than a flesh wound now!

[@michaelblumfield3933]

@@EverydayDriver might want to get some protection on the seats to keep the blood from soaking in.

[@stephenc6955]

Side note, a 944 is half a 928 with more rust. You've been warned.

[@carsgolfcigars]

Excellent episode. I’m also a owner of a 94 300 ZX manual 2+2 . I love the car and will never sell it.

[@johnjoseph911]

You should be so proud of your 928 - it’s stunning

[@TrackMonkey327]

Pretty cool that Porsche still has parts for much older cars.

[@MegaTechpc]

Sorry but I’m one of those commenters you mentioned who is firmly in the stock wheels camp regarding the 300ZX! I know they are smallish and the tire situation is getting difficult with the odd size and staggered wheels but for me older classics like this really should be as stock as possible. Plus, I just love the stock wheels on the Z32 for nostalgia purposes. I went to the Atlanta Car Show with my uncle back in 1990 when Nissan revealed the “new” Z and I fell in love with the car as an 11 year old boy! I’ve loved it ever since and nothing would thrill me more than to find a pristine stock twin turbo model to own now in 2023! Great car and full of nostalgia for me…

[@peterschmidt1453]

Had my '87 928 S4 since 2007, plenty did not work (memory seats ,Cruise, AC, hatch release, climate control....) but it drove nicely and I put up without the comforts. Changed the T-belt 2019 (a long time, I know), cost over $3k. Then the big ticket item, the transmission heat exchanger in the radiator ruptured filling Auto trans with water and engine coolant with trans oil. Custom copper radiator $2.1k, trans rebuild $8.5k - quoted at $5k but just kept on increasing, way too much considering it still shifted and ran with the water in it. I also deleted both heat exchangers in the custom radiator and installed an engine oil heat exchanger in front of the AC condenser and a trans cooler in the rear wheel arch - no way I want to risk water and oil mixing ever again. Car cost $17k and I spent about $20k in 15 years of ownership. The memory seats beyond repair, but i'll fix the AC then that's enough.

[@nate1971]

Loving this series. I can’t wrap my mind around repair bills that total the new BRZ tho. That car is almost old school enough to justify going the new car route.

[@tren133]

Or the just launched Nissan Z. 400 hp twin turbo V6, 6 speed manual, RWD, and starts at 40k.

[@sliceEhlife]

Excellent Video. I'm trying to get a 1980 Mazda RX-7 back onto the roads and it's definitely a challenge

[@Michael_Lorenson]

Those were terrific little cars, equivalent to the MX-5 Miata now, and probably worth the rotary engine hassles. I haven't seen one in a very long time.

[@aydenr2060]

Grateful u keep those classics alive. Had an 83S 928 the gold one I fell in love with it everytime I looked at it. My neighbor had a white metallic 92 300zx with t tops was envious until I worked on a few of them. With very fragile wiring that decays so fast. But both are great

[@davidcheng4076]

Absolutely love these nostalgia series. Looking forward to watch the future endeavors with these cars.

[@myles4714]

300ZX is so much cooler than the Porch.

[@928pcar]

To 12 year olds

[@farginicehole513]

The patio is cooler than your car!

[@edmundhayes1840]

Wow. I wish I was sat down when Paul did that total. That would have taken most cars off the road. Great job keeping it alive The new wheels on the Z look better in my opinion

[@davidmeyer6389]

Love the 928 and completely understand how emotionally exhausting it can be to rebuild an engine!

[@Lon1001]

My dad had a 928, but he also really liked the 300Z... I went with him one day for a test drive and I was surprised how much the Z felt like the Porsche, the styling, the stance. 928 felt heavier and sounded cooler though.

[@JBsC6]

How much has Paul spent on his wonderful porsche 928? Thats why these cars are so daunting to so many of us who dont have friends with knowledge, tools and lifts. I love this series. Great work guys

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you're enjoying. Thanks very much for watching and commenting as always!

[@dailydriven991]

This is the best series you guys have done so far. Love these cars! Looking forward to more.

[@EverydayDriver]

Thank you. We're glad you're enjoying it that much!

[@rodneypratt4324]

Here in Austin there was a gentleman with a 928 and it was a just nasty screamer he was rolling through the gears on William Cannon and everybody turned heads

[@brianrainey2739]

Those Enkei's are very nice wheels and they look great on your car. Ignore the inflexible haters. LOL

[@phorty89]

Love the gold/bronze toned wheels on the 928 - looks great with the beefy tires. The color matches the strut brace and interior. Any idea what color/powder the wheels are? Don't believe they were that color from the factory?

[@billtaylor8655]

I really enjoyed this video. I was dying to learn about all the work Paul put into his 928. I agree that the work you put in connects you to the car far more than the money you put into it. Also, I love you new wheels, Todd. I’d enjoy learning why you went with matching sizes as opposed to the staggered ones.

[@VirtualGuth]

This series holds more appeal to me than any other you guys have done. In my book throughly enjoying older cars means actually driving them. After enough time and miles pass, these are the sort of things a person has to be willing to deal with. But as noted, the more involved you personally are in dealing with such things, the more connected with the car you become as a result and that's a great feeling. For me the joy of cars isn't tied directly to the performance on tap or the latest technology, but rather how involved I feel when it comes to the driving experience as well as the cars themselves. I get a serious kick out of driving older cars that allow me to step back in time so to speak - truly appreciating them for what they are. That to me is why older cars are worth enjoying through driving as opposed to simply looking at them sitting in a garage or showroom of some sort. Though I have no deep personal attachments to the Nissan or Porsche brands, I'm finding it really cool to see Todd and Paul investing in these two cars both financially as well as emotionally. They are obviously enjoying these cars for what they are and for what they mean to each of them personally. Good stuff!

[@EverydayDriver]

Thank you!

[@Flies2FLL]

I'll take the 928 any day of the week. I will make one comment: At 4:47 he says "We discovered someone had poured green coolant into an aluminum engine". So what? I drove a 928S2 5 speed similar to the one in this video for 19 years and always used green coolant. I sold it with perfect compression and the coolant tank was even still clean. If you go online you will find out that the M28 engine takes green coolant just fine.

[@Ra3yDatsun]

Thanks guys for posting this , I have always admire the 300ZX Turbo. And when I was a student at states back in the eighties I was driving a beautiful 1985 300ZX Turbo loved it so much and drove it for 3 years with no problem at all except those regular check ups and oil change other than that the car was perfect. Thank you again and keep posting.

[@rickuyeda4818]

In 2000, I discovered a car for sale on the AutoTrader. It was a '65 Chevy Biscayne with the "Drag Pack" option. Price was $75K! I bought a '65 Chevy Biscayne that had been repainted 10 years before. It had a 283 and 3 speed. It had been a California car all it's life so I bought. I installed disc brakes, 550hp 454, 6 speed and Hotckis suspension and a new interior, all for $20K.

[@vincentfauconnier1460]

yep, that's why I threw in the towel after 5 years of owning my 91 928 S4. Every part is $2K from Porsche. ECU goes out every 100k km and that's $2k to rebuild it etc etc. And do not ever have to replace one of those front fenders or you need to sell the house. My friend had a 91 Merc 500E (for sure not the same looks) but same power same performance and a fraction of the cost to run because most parts are common to the base W124. Carries 4 adults and just as fun to drive I found.

[@alexandrebergeron1260]

Man i love those videos! Keep em coming! Amazing quality vids.

[@jdmjesus6103]

My 300zx costs me about £2k a year on average in maintenance and restoration and I do everything myself. I do like to keep it nice though, I plan on keeping it. It had a hard life before I got it My father has an original manual 78' 928 that doesn't get anywhere near the work mine does, he's had it since nearly new. It's not looked after quite as well as mine. I'm going to have to restore that someday. It's better to be preventative with maintenance and spend the money now rather than more later. You can run these cars on the cheap, but it'll cost you or the next owner down the line.

[@dustinmoritz6634]

Love the 928s but damn it would be hard to spend that on one.

[@elishapile6461]

Fantastic series, gentlemen. I am working with my two sons (ages 16 and 21) helping them bring back old sports cars. A 77 Camaro and 73 Corvette.

[@rjkStudios]

Loving all the videos about these 2 cars so far, and really looking forward to more! 😎👍 "Cars of the Past" are far more interesting to me than currently manufactured vehicles, and the fact that you gentlemen are using these cars to take these epic road trips with such beautiful scenery makes it even better, & also makes me excited for "car season" to soon start up here in Canada! I have always loved the design of both the 300zx, and 928. "Sticker shock" on all the money that's gone into that 928 though, but you can't put a price on the feeling, pure joy, and memories that these types of discontinued cars provide. It's not about specs compared with the cars of 2022... it's not about lap times... it's about how you feel when driving your car on an open road! - Cheers from a happy sw20 Toyota MR2 owner.

[@VirtualGuth]

Nicely said.

[@rjkStudios]

@@VirtualGuth thank you very much!

[@EverydayDriver]

Very glad to have you with us and enjoying this series. Thank you for watching!

[@rjkStudios]

@@EverydayDriver Thanks for sharing your journey with these fantastic cars with us. I really appreciate the reply! Best regards!

[@FLBoyCanScrap]

300zx was definitely the right choice between the two.

[@grabir01]

928 is the best looking Porsche ever made. Electrify it!!

[@TheHaase65]

Thank you guys for the shout out! So happy that the engine is doing well.

[@nutsackmania]

Man you could've had a 951 where a whole motor is like 6 grand, makes massively more power and the car actually handles.

[@jsquared1013]

I wouldn't say "massively more" power. A lightly modded 951 (hotwire MAF, exhaust, ECU, etc) is still making less power than most 928s, the key for the 951 is that it's lighter. The 928 handles fine for a GT car.

[@nutsackmania]

Have you actually driven both cars on the road? It's not even a comparison. 951 even with just test pipe/chips is a rocket once its rolling, sending massively more torque through tall gears over a fat band. 951 with the flapper box can hang with modern fast cars.

[@928pcar]

The 951 is slower I’m not sure to begin with how wrong this comment is 😊

[@scottw9771]

Great video, my takeaway from this, if you're buying a 30+ year old car, cheaper if it's not from Europe : ) I really appreciate that you share the details of the expenses, very informative. Looking forward to future episodes!

[@metooblueshoes]

This series just keeps getting better and better. Guy never works on car, decides to pull engine.. Yeah, I'm here for the long haul. Let's go!

[@markaustin1917]

Love you guys. Paul talking about stuff falling off his Porsche in Wyoming holding his sunroof cover. That was hilarious. Us car guys know these things come with the territory

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you enjoyed. Thank you for watching!

[@butterfingersman]

hell yeah! my brother got an 86 300zx NA recently and has been enjoying his dated digital tach and everything

[@VirtualGuth]

Ironically, given that it was so focused in its application, that digital dash in your brother's ZX has aged far better than the infotainment systems in today's cars will. Any sort of a screen-based user interface becomes dated very quickly. Most people don't think about this because they either trade in or trash their devices after just a few years. Whereas today's cars will be stuck with their screens. More power to your brother's 300ZX!

[@Billy_Built]

As a BRZ, 300zx, and CRX owner. I've really been loving the content lately! All heavily under rated cars, that are too easily looked over.

[@brucethiem]

Can't tell you how much I love this series you're doing with these cars. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad to have you watching and enjoying, Thank you!

[@stevepascoe]

My 1991 Toyota Celica GT Four Group A still runs beautifully. 😉

[@dielaughing73]

You lucky bugger. They aren't cheap now, if you can find one

[@vonbon954]

Mid 90's Japanese high end sporty cars were built to a ludicrously high standard and today's owners are experiencing the benefit of that build quality. One of our two daily drivers, which also frequently does road trips, is a 1992 factory air suspension Toyota Soarer - complete with CRT touch screen infotainment/control screen. It costs peanuts to run and yes all the complex electrics and the multi-height suspension and the multi program dampers and the 1UZ quad cam run just beautifully.

[@DanG90]

Absolutely loving this series so far, good to see you both getting in to and most importantly driving your modern classics. Looking forward to the next one!

[@mattspontiacta]

Great update on the cars. I always heard 928s are a money pit unless you can work on them yourself. That’s a expensive 928 .. but in my opinion well worth the peace of mind. Plus the best part you can drive it anywhere and it’s a true classic. Love it !!!! The 300 TT is a awesome car in its own right. Great bang for the buck and great looking. I like the Enkei wheels. Look very nice 👍

[@RockstarBruski]

Great hands on informative video! Paul you spent a lot of time and money fixing your 928 but you've gained invaluable wrenching experience and have increased the value of your 928 and now you personally know first hand through blood, sweat and tears about your car! I totally relate to that feeling of hearing the engine start again after working on an engine. #bestfeelingever Also a similar 1985 928s 5 speed (with TMU and I didn't see any documentation of engine work) just sold on March 10th for $53k on BaT so your 1983 928s 5 speed market value should be worth more than 53k with all the work you've done on it! Todd great looking new wheels! Glad you got the steering and suspension sorted! Maybe some Griots products can revive the paint some! The nice thing about having chips in the paint is you don't have to worry about getting more! #nottooprecioustodrive Both of you enjoy driving your refurbished cars and thanks for sharing your experiences with us. Cheers! 😀

[@EverydayDriver]

Thanks for watching as always. We appreciate the encouragement - this series is asking a lot of us, but we're enjoying it!

[@928pcar]

That car was a Euro spec that sold for $53k, much more desired than the lower horsepower US spec. No US spec 83 is selling anywhere close to $50k

[@farginicehole513]

@@928pcar Yes, S2 twin dizzy!!!

[@dauwg99]

Thank you for doing these modern classics!! You guys are so underrated.

[@clubracer6]

Thank you Paul for making me feel so much better about some recent repairs I’ve had to do to my E90! Will have to show this to my MOF as evidence that is could be wayyyy worse! As you say, it’s only money! 😁😎

[@sammysev16]

Ive been daily driving my 1996 ST205 Celica GT-Four for about a year now (10k miles commuting a 50 mile round trip to the office a few times a week) and luckily hasnt set me back as much as £1000 yet! Old cars are just special

[@cjsnylons]

Love seeing this journey. I owned a 91 ZTT in a manual and loved it. I now have a 997 Turbo and I am struggling with driving it given the crazy prices they are commanding these days. Drive it or garage it???

[@mikeyKnows_]

Sell it

[@computerhelpcc]

Drive it or sell it and buy something you will drive. You can always buy some large posters of your car for the garage and get the same 2 second satisfaction of seeing it there. yea

[@NoChrome]

Ouch!! 20K for the engine rebuild. And here I was sweating the 5K that I've sunk into my 944 Turbo in the last 2yrs. Must be nice to have deep pockets like that.

[@VirtualGuth]

One man's deep pockets is another man's pocket change. The trick is finding a car that you both enjoy and can afford to keep on the road.

[@bdlii]

Never seen your show before but found this series and really love what you’re doing. Both cars are really cool.

[@EverydayDriver]

Glad you found us and are enjoying. Lots more to come - thanks for watching!

[@JS-hw8ve]

Building a machine built to do one thing, then saying "no, don't use it for that one thing" is a waste of that machine. It's like buying a shirt and never wearing it. Having dishes you never eat off. Getting fruits and veg and letting them sit in the back of the fridge until they rot. If you have it, use it and enjoy it.

[@branhub]

it felt ironic stumbling across this post, these are two of my dream cars and I never thought about comparing them or seeing them side by side.

[@EverydayDriver]

We're in the middle of a huge road trip series with both these cars. 2 are released with 2 more to coming soon. Lots more side by side comparison and adventures in these cars, we hope you'll watch!

[@ryansmithza]

That news gives me hope for my dream of owning a Guards red 928 GTS in a manual with black leather interior. All I need to do now is to make all that money needed to get it to the condition I'd want! 😂🤣

[@jrbuch]

Makes me feel better about pouring a ton of money into my JZZ30 Toyota Soarer (with a supra 6 speed). I'm now guilty of not driving it as much as I should however.

[@Truehoon]

New Z owner...the rock chips and couple of suspension parts need replacing....New Porsche owner...so happy the car starts, hes about to cry. LOL

[@farginicehole513]

@EverydayDriver That 928 is beautiful! I didn't catch what year it is, but guessing '83 U.S. spec 928S? A previous owner removed the rub strips, giving it a cleaner look and accentuating those curves. Not usually a huge fan of the manhole covers, but those platinum(?) colored ones look great! ~$40K for a sorted out OB 928 isn't bad.

[@AtlasCroc]

I've had plenty of interaction with both the Z and the 928. You have to remember the Z is a Nissan and the 928 is a Porsche, two vastly different price points. Drive each and you will see the difference. Most of the "damage" (and costly repairs needed) to this 928 were from idiots that didn't know what they're doing. With most euro cars of this era - treat them right, with good maintenance and they are great to own and drive - not cheap though. I know of several 928s that have over 400K miles on them without being opened up - again - treated right, with good maintenance, they last a long time. Don't know what you're doing and want to cheap out? - they will bit hard. You don't buy these cars to see how cheap they are to keep alive - but for the love of the design and drive. Neither will do anything good for your wallet.

[@DriverGuy23]

This video says a ton about why I sold my Porsche and bought a GR86. Porsches are great, until you need maintenance. Japanese cars are great even when you need maintenance. I will never purchase another European car.

[@928pcar]

Just say, I don’t know shit about cars

[@Michael_Lorenson]

I love this series, not least because I have always driven and refurbished old cars. These two were contemporaries of my 1988 Corvette, and I was in my 20s when all of them were new. Doing all of the work and providing all the tools and workspace yourself, as I do, is no small thing, especially if you are starting from scratch -- I've had 50 years to collect tools and experience. So, I totally understand why you guys are paying pros to refurbish these cars. Kudos for diving in there with them, Paul. I'm sure it saved you a _lot_ of money. I'd love to have a 928, but the expenses and service/repair hassles are more than I'm willing to bear. Just for reference though, I'll have about $12-14k in the purchase _and_ complete, careful, quality, do-it-myself restoration of my Corvette -- minus paint, which is good enough anyway (better than the 300ZX). But it does involve months of hard work. These cars are inexpensive in every way, and also very reliable. The Corvette, 300ZX Twin Turbo, and the 928 were all closely bunched in all-around automotive press testing. The Corvette was a relatively raw, focused sports car, while the other two were heavier, softer, quieter, and so on. In actual real-world competition, the C4 Corvette utterly dominated its class in SCCA 'Showroom Stock' racing, so they just put it in a separate class by itself. Anyway, people can have this kind of experience for far less money, if they need to. There are lots of cool cars to choose from.

[@242HP]

I've heard it said that there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes. Apparently the same can be said of a cheap Porsche! I know how much Paul loves Porsches, but from my POV the Z was the better buy here.