Could DC Win the Tournament of Power

[@Coffeeplease69420]

Short Answer: YES.

[@WhiteMamba93]

That's what people forget about the justice league. They're teamwork is top notch. They were the ORIGINAL super hero team. Putting aside all differences to do what's right. Especially if it's to save their universe? That's a typical Tuesday for them. And the tournament of power isn't all about strength. As shown in the anime. And with the prep time given, Superman and Batman would devise the perfect team, they would not be willy nilly with the team either. Hell if they're allowed to use items whose to say Batman doesn't whip out a super serum to make him as equally as strong as Superman for a few hours? Which yes IS a thing. It's that prep time that would help them for sure!

[@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469]

I mean, when you compare Goku punching power with Sups punching power, Sups would be actively shattering space-time prime style. Even the dbz gods would think that was an unfait matchup for the other verses.

[@danielendless]

1. Solar flare isn't doing anything to a guy that goes inside the sun, and can do his own solar flare with his own eyes 3. Mafuba isn't working, he's been trapped inside Hypertime, containing infinite timelines for each of the infinite Universes and he escaped 3. Existence erasure is something he's resisted from Mxy, Darkseid and Time trapper, even a corporation in charge of managing stories in DC

[@MarshmallowEST.90]

My DC Team: 1. Wonder Woman (Team Leader) 2. Martian Man Hunter 3. Black Adam 4. Icon 5. Captain Atom 6. Shazam 7. Hawkman 8. Donna Troy 9. Lobo 10. Apollo

[@B_Ltes]

The Tournament of Power was did not consist of the lower ranking power scaling universes. It consisted of the universes with the lowest “mortal” level. The “mortal” level isn’t exactly defined, but the more civilized and successful universes did not participate. If it was based on power level, the Dragon Ball team wouldn’t be there.

[@noshiketokemu390]

nah they have to go though the hood avatar and bully maguire first to beat their duadruple heavenly dap

[@Auron1Roxas2]

They'd win with incredible ease, including batman. John Stewart should also be included since he doesn't need a ring to use his powers like other green lanterns. The fight would be over so fast it would probably disappoint the zeno's, but they wouldn't be able to destroy the DC universe anyways. The world of void also didn't shake since it has nothing in it to shake. Using anything from the original db also doesn't really make sense anymore considering a lot of it gets retconed or just flat out ignored. If goku was faster than light as a child he should of made it past snakeway in less than 5 seconds, yet it took him over 100 days the first time and more than 24 hours on the way back. Dyspo was hinted at being lightspeed, and pretty much everyone was having difficulty with his speed. Goku had to go super saiyan god to keep up and got the edge because dyspo was predictable. Superman has restored entire timelines with his punches when fighting one of his future descendants and himself, Flash punched anti monitor through universes and has moved in stopped time, Shazam once punched a black hole into existence, Black Adam 1v the entire justice society, and wonder woman once brought the phantom stranger to his knees, a being powerful enough to destroy all of creation when he fought the spectre. The robot has no chance against martian manhunter, he can phase through basically anything and manipulate the minds of everyone there. Fire is not as big a weakness as people think it is. He's not "overglazed" he's one of the most powerful heroes in the Justice League. Pretty much everyone in DC has existence erasure resistances. Superman cannot be erased from existence, not even martian manhunter. Superman wouldn't be sealed since Superman massively outscales goku and wouldn't be to seal him without dying from the effort.

[@omegacrow2290]

In short I do agree that DC wins and claps but I do think you lowballed DB a bit since I do believe there is decent evidence for low complex multi DBS. Also we know that DB Universe or Macrocosm has multiple Universes which are separate via the anime and manga and Toriyama Statement from Interview. So Low multi isn’t a Highball as you claim!

[@omegacrow2290]

So like From DBS scaling at worst DBS Characters are at least low multi and they are like 2C and 2B if you believe that multipliers allow 2C to 2B

[@omegacrow2290]

I do think through several promotional Matierial and a few other scales such as DOSL and HYPER TIMELINE. LIKE with all that you can get them to low complex and around 6D STILL LOSES THO

[@kristopherleslie8343]

Batman can use one of his armors and he’s on par with everyone there 😂

[@willjohnboy]

I think you discounted batman too early, the T.O.P allows each universe to prepare and suits are not excluded, batman has a number of suits that would put him on level with most outside of the gods of destruction candidates (excluding hellbat), base batman has feats that have him throwing hands with wonder woman and shazam level fighters but obviously not winning, but he can hang this scenario gives him prep and only dr doom has better prep.

[@solarsilencer6403]

Someone else who could potentially be a great addition would be Lobo

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Just try atari hm Goku scalling once. And kinda redo the video just saying. Cause it's clear you have Little info on db Cosmology working.

[@ProfessorPhilosoraptor]

How would you scale it

[@omegacrow2290]

Scale I go for is always Low complex multi To complex multi DBS

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@omegacrow2290 complex multi dbs is when you ignore or try to LOWBALL some statements of dbs. But the problem is neither of Jl charecters scales to their high end Cosmology which actually reaches outerversal . The best of dc justice league at best touches is multiverse and that was only for few of them cause they have connection to same lvl of power sources and they mostly affect multiverse as a Domino effect. And majority of justice league falls under low multiversal lvl including Superman.

[@omegacrow2290]

@abhijeetgolder7535 DBS at best is Complex Multi at 8D. How on Earth did you get HYPERVERSAL DBS. Maybe Heroes but even then DBS only scales to Low complex to complex multi. This happens if you accept the following things: AFTERLIFE BEING HIGHER DIMENSIONAL (which admittedly has good evidence and more claims outside of the Daizentshuu scan, such as promo matierial and such) DIMENSIONAL SCALING IN DBS BROLY. The Dosl is a higher dimensional realm which can be either:Above or below the Afterlife. Lastly HYPER TIMELINE WHICH DBS CAN SCALE TO BUT ZENO FOR SURE DOES. This is also knows as the Zamasu scale, it guarantees LCM DBS. Living Universe, Room of Spirit and times, demon realm, other dimensions mentioned by Buuhan, Afterlife, DOSL,NEUTRAL ZONE WHICH DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE SCALE, ZENO’s Realm same thing as the Neutral Zone. THE HYPER TIMELINE ALL THAT CAN ADD TO 6D to 7D DBS scale and maybe 8D

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@omegacrow2290 heroes in outerversal range easily. Normal dbs is at low outer range if not undervalue all statements.

[@Dodoq3032B2A]

What do you think about Atari HMB scale ? he scales DB cosmology (excluding heroes and xenoverse) Low Hyperversal possibly Higher (DC still claps tho)

[@ProfessorPhilosoraptor]

never seen him, but I'll have to look into it! Don't think I've ever heard someone argue hyperversal dragon ball before

[@Dodoq3032B2A]

@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor There is a lot of misconceptions and scans taken out of context above Hyperversal that seemingly justifies a outerversal( and above tiers ) DB but that's wank to me

[@omegacrow2290]

@Dodoq3032B2A I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU. But I think DBS scales to low complex Multi and personally DBH is HIGH Complex Multi To hyper

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Sorry no offense where is superman lifting all of dc multiverse.

[@ProfessorPhilosoraptor]

Superman Man of Tomorrow #12 And that isn't the only line of scaling that gets superman to those levels. being able to injure superboy prime gets him to multiverse+ easily

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Sir 😅 seriously you're scalling is umm little underwhelming. For both dc and db.

[@freshcoastlivenetwork425]

So you're basically a Dragon Ball Super hater 🤣

[@willjohnboy]

Why? Because they lost, sorry, but you don't need to be a hater or dc fanboy to realise that dc scales way above all dragonball universes.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

9:05 you are incorrect. You seem to not know that db is a macrocosm and not just a singular universe lol its 2024, mate

[@Auron1Roxas2]

The db universe is nowhere near as big nor as complex as y'all make it out to be.

[@Mrdjs1133]

I think the thing about not using weapons is a problem for WW and especially Aquaman. Those two train around their weapons quite a bit. Also, I know no weapons, but what about equipment? Batman in the Hellbat would be sick as hell, but say he can only use melee?

[@ProfessorPhilosoraptor]

Valid, although I think both (WW especially) have some pretty impressive showings without their weapons as well! They're both pretty capable fighters. Hellbat bat suit would be an interesting add! Although I don't think Batman has the stamina to use it for the full duration of the tournament of power, but I agree it would be really fun to explore as well :). Hellbat bat suit is definitely underrated in terms of how much it gets discussed in these types of vs videos.

[@cjcj4861]

​@@ProfessorPhilosoraptorno they are not capable Fighters even without their weapons or not they still going to lose to Goku and Gohan etcetera Vegeta Piccolo Krillin Android 17 and 18 Majin Buu what else could I say it depends on which versions are you going to use with the DC characters and try not to wink the hell out ofthem like some other people do

[@cjcj4861]

​@@ProfessorPhilosoraptorhold up what the hell are you trying to downplay the Dragon Ball verse because again as much as I don't like Dragon Ball super if I see any slight of downplay it's time for you to be called out don't make this even more than the waste of time cuz we already know you've been to scale the hell out of DC I know it's coming in this video

[@cjcj4861]

​@@ProfessorPhilosoraptorno Goku is beyond that there is no low multiversal my ass that's cap stop it's coming from a person that don't even like Goku such as myself so don't even low ball let's not get that twisted

[@cjcj4861]

​@@ProfessorPhilosoraptoryou do realize you're down playing hit from Dragon Ball super you understand that he can stop and Skip time right he did it when his battle with Goku in the universe 6 Ark tournament do you not understand what that means and dispo can move faster massively faster

[@charlessmith4793]

galaxy level aquaman lmfao since when!?

[@ProfessorPhilosoraptor]

Honestly, that's fair. I'm really unsure about Aquaman. Mostly scaled him off who he's able to contend with in a fight, but definitely don't have many straight up feats that put him much higher that building level. Where do you scale him?

[@charlessmith4793]

@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor highballing him I'd put him at most few City blocks in ap but if we're being generous I'd give him small moon lvl for helping move warworld.

[@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469]

Wait, what about the aquaman guardian of the primordial waters or something that had reality warping powers?

[@charlessmith4793]

@@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469 lmfao I completely forgot they tried to tie his powers to some BS like a water force or some crap. He's like the Avatar for all water and water creatures throughout the universe lmfao.

[@millasboo]

@@charlessmith4793i think he’s talking about when he’s been in fights with like WW and Supes

[@lightingdragon4143]

No. DC wouldn't win. Because if Batman who has no powers can defeat a majority of superheroes and villains then Goku, the z-fighters and any other dragon ball character easily can.

[@Auron1Roxas2]

Yes clown they would win. Batman has never defeated these characters, you might want to actually read comics.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Sir db cast is moping the floor here . With these dc cast . Dc is at best INFNITE speed to immeasurable and that's for flash and Rf only . Anyone after blue goku from u6 tournament have that. Speed.

[@MrJeffreyrichards]

Superman has irrelvent speed and can time travel with speed and most of that cast can keep up with superman no one in Dragonball has no time travel with speed nor do they ever show atto second time combat or planck time combat. The speed is and always will be on DC side same with duribulity and AP. This is a spite match and will always be that untill dragonball strenghtens its cosmolgy... superman in new 52 threatend to wipe out the phantom zone which is beyond the concepts of time spaace and dimentientions even removes your physical body on top of this. And then you got the world forger feat him wiping out 52 infinte universes and koing forger who outscales the whole of dragonball. he has moved at speed beyond imagination and within a space that has no destination time or distances while in the source. DC is in the top 10 strongest cosmolgies in fiction dragon ball is not.. superman alone could do this on his own as no one in that fight can even hurt him not when we have seen him out right neg magic that can recreate all dc or him negging the antilife equation while in a weakend state. Tournement you got Jirren and goku Jirren by all staments is universal and it took goku getting help and rest to get UI down to even beat that... Superman current date is composit of all verisons past.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@MrJeffreyrichards time travel is useless here and db have irrelevant speed so

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@MrJeffreyrichards Planck constant value have no competition in front of infinite speed so again no help

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@MrJeffreyrichards LoL failed to proof speed alone forget dc and ap .

[@MrJeffreyrichards]

@@abhijeetgolder7535 no they do not

[@millasboo]

18:37 I mean telekinesis throw should work

[@cjcj4861]

No DC heroes are not surviving the tournament of power in Dragon Ball super as much as I don't like Dragon Ball super hate Goku in it I'm not going to sit here and be biased so this video better not be biased cuz if it is I'm going to go straight ham

[@venjustice6666]

Exactly. The Justice league do not have the power to match up against these characters. It is even argued that Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman can fight against some of these characters but the tournament is like HIGHHHHH levels of power that’s consistent and it would be them 3 vs a TON of characters on a really high level of power. I even believe that Saiyan’s are the most powerful aliens outta Vultrimites of course because they’re the weakest and they’re more powerful than Kryptonians.

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Kryptonian as a race is better than other alien race like saiyan and viltrumites. But what can be achieved by these races are two different case . While Saiyan race needs right environment to grow . Kryptonian falls in same category but have easier time finding the environment. ​@@venjustice6666

[@MrJeffreyrichards]

@@venjustice6666 read more comics they do even the cosmollgy massivly outscales dragonball and that this is tiering to have to show and proove and ever time I do you guys walk off pissed and dont even say you are right when I do first off 97% of all scalers just so you know put dragon ball at only high complex multiversal... the world over has DC is on the top 10 largest and strongest fictions you can get typicly at number 5. It has scaling to type 4 ultimate multiverse and or beyond boundless. Superman in hsi current day is a composit of all other superaman versions and scales to outerversal in his base as of new 52 where he has stated he can wipe the phantom zone out of existance. He has also made phantom stanger bleed and shattered his body which is an angle in DC. Dragon ball is not even in the top 20 largest cosmoliges. Superman alone has higher feats then any one in dragonball.

[@cjcj4861]

And it's called Instant Transmission not instant teleportation I believe you got that wrong sir

[@ProfessorPhilosoraptor]

Yes yes, my bad, mispoke

[@cjcj4861]

@@ProfessorPhilosoraptor all good