Could the Avengers stop the Saiyans? | Marvel vs Dragonball Z

#marvel #anime #dragonball
Today we discuss a hypothetical battle between the Marvel Cinematic Universe version of the Avengers against Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta from Dragonball Z. Could they survive? Lets find out!
0:00 - Intro
1:31 - Raditz Invades
2:43 - MCU Scaling
4:20 - Raditz vs Avengers
5:48 - Nappa vs the Avengers

[@TheTsugnawmi2010]

I love that a Saiyan “invasion” is just two of them showing up 😂

[@night1952]

For them sending a baby alone is considered an invasion.

[@ericiglesias4313]

​@night1952 that's how you know your race is OP

[@stephenlaw1910]

Anyone of them could conquered a planet, which they have done before, takes 3 days at most

[@danielhall1226]

Saiyan infants conquer planets. Lol. And those are the low born saiyans

[@ktwn6702]

think of it this way. 2 of them showing up is equal to 29%-33% of the entire race showing up! (depending on if you count movie Saiyans)

[@DJayCubbz]

The worst part about all of this: Even if Vegeta was defeated, a certain Emperor would be very intrigued by whatever managed to kill his Saiyan soldiers…

[@spooderderg4077]

I mean. The avengers would have probably given him a better death than what his lord Frieza did to him. As they say, like a bitch.

[@scorchinorphan1687]

@@spooderderg4077 With no super sand legend or Kakacarrotcake, Frieza gonna make them have to pee sitting down

[@Sleepy_Apocalypse]

@@spooderderg4077 Man's went out fighting against a dude who he knew he stood absolutely 0 chance against and was enslaved by for basically his entire life. How is that going out like a bitch? That's like calling some skinny dude who weighs 130 pounds and has the balls to square up with Mike Tyson a bitch when he gets knocked out.

[@quishaanmcneal1462]

yeah cuz frieza and his army mopping the whole mcu

[@Gumbino]

Frieza would literally not care lol

[@agentk5991]

I think it adds greater perspective in favor of the Saiyans when you consider that Roshi was the first in the series to blow up the moon.

[@SkinnyRob]

Yeah he completely overlooked that focusing on piccolo and Goku's destruction of the Moon. Dragon Ball Z started off with the roster pretty much at planetary levels. It's actually comical how ridiculously overpowered the cast of that show is in comparison to typical media

[@dimensionvisitor7689]

@@SkinnyRob basically the 2nd arc, DB are already dealing with moon busters (hell, roshi blowing up the moon can actually be calculated to be planet to large planet level due to how fast and how thorough the destruction is), this kinda outscales most of the series until they hit their late game

[@MikaeruDaiTenshi]

​@@SkinnyRobThe main problem is, power level/scaling doesn't make any sense in DB. First, let's think about how Krillin and Roshi (Jackie Chun) had a fight so fast, nobody saw it happen and they had to reenact it. Now, this could also have just been a joke to amuse the audiance. However, we also had Goku steal Roshi's sunglasses during Tien's Solar Flare, which we could argue is a light-technique, and therefore, being able to move over to Roshi, steal the glasses, putting them on himself (and I think even returning to his original place) could be considered FTL-combat speed. Now, to the power scaling itself? (Not going to include the DBZ-Movies, as these are not really canon and don't fit in the timeline either) These data should be according to offical sources provided by Toriyama himself: Roshi in his youth: 25 Before Korin Training: 30 After Korin Training: 60 Roshi Prime: 75 Meeting Goku: 50 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun) Roshi MAX Power (when he get's all buff): 80 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun) Roshi MAX Power Kamehameha: 180 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun) Red Ribbon Army Saga: 69 RRAS Max Power: 110 RRAS Max Power Kamehameha: 135 (why weaker as before? Who knows) As Jackie Chun 22. Teknaichi: 139 (he actually trained for that I think) Jackie Chun 22T "serious": 180 Jackie Chun 22T Kamehameha: 220 Roshi "serious" vs King Piccolo: 180 Saiyan Saga: 139 Cell Saga: 690+ Buu Saga: 960 Battle of the Gods: 1.300 Revival of F: 1.350 Tournament of Power: 42.500.000 ToP "serious: 55.000.000 ToP MAX Power: 69.000.000 ToP MAX Power Kamehameha: 139.000.000 ToP Beyond Limits (Kamehameha): 169.000.000 Especially the jump from the start of DBS to the Tournament of Power makes simply no sense, and if he could actually gain so much power in a short time, he should have trained with Korin after learning of King Piccolo coming back and he would have wiped the floor with him.

[@QuigleTheGnome]

@@MikaeruDaiTenshi​​⁠​⁠yeah it never made sense why he was able to keep up even in Revival of F because as far as we know he hasn’t done any training since DB

[@MikaeruDaiTenshi]

@@QuigleTheGnome Yea, why I prefer DB and DBZ over Super. DBZ already had insane progression and the power levels never really meant anything after Goku became SSJ, maybe even before that. But the later Z and all in Super makes no sense Powerwise.

[@Hmoney42069]

i find it mildly amusing to imagine vegeta just chilling in the background waiting to see if nappa can take out a team of like 40 superheroes (the avengers) and if nappa gets overwhelmed and somehow killled,vegeta just points 2 fingers and blows up the planet with little effort

[@happyfatherof5164]

Scarlet Witch deletes Vegeta from existence

[@Hmoney42069]

@@happyfatherof5164 in infinity war? Hell nah

[@Dipj01]

What fingers? [post infinity war]

[@wisemysticaltree568]

​@@Dipj01 Vegeta: GALICK GUN!

[@yrbelite8450]

At first I thought they could hold their own but I forgot how OP early vegeta was…..

[@powerjolt7215]

Bro literally could erase Earth which is insane and his durability exceeds his raw power.

[@ryleeevans6211]

Not to mention how ruthless og vegeta was. He prolly killed nappa again too. I wanna see a marvel vs frieza aka frieza army vs thanos army

[@IloveStarr]

​@@ryleeevans6211yeah ngl, Thanos can only hope the gauntlet wipes out Frieza in the dusting, otherwise Frieza would just 1 shot all of Endgame put together

[@ryleeevans6211]

@@IloveStarr still i wanna see the ginyu force throw down and maybe get a cool body swap in

[@chakrafuji458]

The earth is db is 2x bigger than the regular earth in marvel

[@JoshuaOdionson]

Anybody else remember how effortlessly Nappa turned a city into a glass floor? Or how at that point they could just destroy planets? The MCU avengers are no where near that. By the time Nappa and Vegeta show up, blowing up the moon isn't a big deal.

[@aintiwrong5201]

Master roshi who was in his prime had the max power level of 200 and he destroeyd the moon with a kamehameha wave, even if we highball the avengers they have no chance

[@JakubRycek-oe8me]

@@aintiwrong5201 that was old roshi who had power lvl of 130 hoever as seen with goku (raditz fight) kamehameha can output more than double of your power lvl so roshi might have charged that blast to have power lvl of 300+ but still nappa had power lvl of 4000 and vegeta 18k if sayians showed up on marvel earth that would be one side massacre

[@JoshuaOdionson]

@aintiwrong5201 When he charged up to his Max/Full power he had a power level of something akin to 1500, I think. But it left him pretty gassed.

[@astroman0500]

Yeah, but DB and DBZ power scaling has always been MASSIVELY inconsistent and it's hard to compare it to anything else. The moon is something like one third of the size of earth and still it requires absurd amounts of force to blow it up like Piccolo and Master Roshi did in the earlier parts of DB/DBZ. They destroy the moon like it's no problem (and as if the moon can just reform without causing any mass scale imbalances on the planet) and then the big Frieza feat was to destroy Namek, Piccolo's home planet at the peak of his power. And he still had to charge his energy for a while to be able to destroy it. Personally, I don't consider any of the moon busting feats cannon at that stage of the series and only when characters reached Frieza/SS1 Goku levels of power can they be said to actually destroy planets or moons. If they did in the past it was just Toriyama being funny.

[@GaldenX]

@@astroman0500 You can't just say something's canon just because you don't agree with it lol. There's ton of statements and feats to prove characters could destroy planets before SS1 and Final Form Freiza appeared.

[@krowft]

I find it weird how dodging lasers is considered faster than light... The way I see it, they're not necessarily outpacing the laser itself, but simply dodging out of the way of where the laser is being aimed quickly enough that the shooter is unable to react in time to adjust his aim

[@arx3516]

Yup. You simply need to have reflexes quicker than the shooter. This is how pilots in Gundam dodge beams.

[@TheKAYLEN101]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@Greyman-Gaming]

Yea I agree, because then if someone got out of the way quickly enough from a car that’s going 60mph, you wouldn’t say that person was moving as fast as the car.

[@Maddenlegend4ever]

you are all wrong because if I am aiming a light speed weapon directly at you and you react to the light speed beam and avoid it before it hits you, you are effectively reacting at faster than light speeds to the beam.

[@krowft]

@@Maddenlegend4ever but I'm not reacting to the beam, I'm reacting to you before you pull the trigger

[@terrorazeing]

I'm a Marvel fan too, but before that I'm a huge Dragon Ball fanatic first. And I remember this one scene from DBZ I think showing King Vegeta casually waving his hand in order to destroy maybe a couple of small planets, if I remember it correctly. I mean, that alone shows how big the gap is regarding their power levels. Before Wanda can even wave her fingers, a base Vegeta IV would have already blitzed her to her demise.

[@mohamedkhider6998]

That was a filler But still it's accurate considering how Picolo destroyed the moon effortlessly

[@KingT1._]

@@mohamedkhider6998it’s filler but the feats are canon

[@Sorcererzz]

Mcu*

[@terrorazeing]

@@Sorcererzz *Marvel Even as a kid, I've always been drawn more into Spider-Man and the X-Men in general way before MCU happened (or even Raimi's Spidey trilogy & Singer's X-Men trilogy happened). So no, I'm not just a "movie fan."

[@Sorcererzz]

@terrorazeing those are movies? So yes you are. The comics have better stories and the characters are way more versatile with their powers

[@isaiahps1804]

Let’s not forget vegetas durability in the sayain saga was crazy. Taking kamehameha from a kaioken x 4 goku and a spirit bomb and still standing.

[@lune5289]

Yes bby

[@Jake-cm9jj]

and let's not forget that Thor bodied a pulsar from a neutron star which is far more energy than the Sun puts out and that killed Cooler in his final form.

[@KingOfThePiratesOfTheHill]

Can we just mention we are putting the peak of the Avengers against a "beginner" level Vegeta

[@fkwithfriezaday]

vegeta and friezas durability is frightening

[@MagillanicaLouM]

@@Jake-cm9jj If you mean that forge scene, I wouldn't say he bodied that. He was practically dead after. Impressive he lasted a few seconds but it wasn't a breeze for him at all. And I mean Master Roshi and early Piccolo are out here blowing up moons FROM EARTH, not even going up into space for it, That Thor feat isn't looking as unreachable.

[@123GOHANZ]

Man, the moment it was hinted they’d struggle with Nappa was when I knew they had next to no chance. Vegeta is an absolute menace even in early DBZ and wouldn’t hesitate the nuke the entire battlefield if it meant getting rid of the “weaklings” not worth his time. Those that remain lack the raw power to keep up

[@phloriaernas2149]

Not battlefield. Planet. Vegeta wouldn't hesitate to nuke the entire planet if his insecurities appears.

[@AMediumSizedKodiak]

@@phloriaernas2149ep. He literally tried to and was only stopped by Goku pushing kaioken beyond it’s safe limits and basically disabling himself afterward . MCU avengers ain’t got a Goku level threat lol

[@123GOHANZ]

@@phloriaernas2149 I say battlefield because as explained in the video Vegeta and Nappa’s objective requires Earth to remain intact otherwise they risk destroying the Infinity Stones. I’m well aware Vegeta can casually destroy planets, especially if we take the anime incarnation of his character. Honestly, I personally think Nappa by himself is enough to take down the Avengers during End Game. Vegeta is just overkill

[@drakebell9513]

​@@123GOHANZvegeta was willing to destroy earth just because goku hurt his pride

[@dodge1515]

@@AMediumSizedKodiak This is rarely mentioned, but he also tries the same shit again on Namek against Frieza in their duel, but the Emperior stopped the attack and kicked it into outer space.

[@danielchalmers9815]

I feel like raddiz would body them all tbh, liniar travelling speed is different to combat speed. He'd be snap vanishing around and snapping necks like it was nothing only stopping to laugh and gloat periodically. I think the only one with a chance at even perceiving raddiz is possibly spiderman.

[@Animeloversonicfan]

No Spider-Man would get wrecked by Raditz and the only avenger that would stand a chance of beating him would be Hulk or maybe Thor but not Spider-Man. 😂😂😂

[@danielchalmers9815]

all i said was he might have a chance of seeing him, not that he stood a chance of fighting.@@Animeloversonicfan

[@user-qn5iv3cf7b]

this is the comment i was looking for

[@jimjamjon2285]

Radditz is multi city level at mac relax lmfao

[@danielchalmers9815]

@@jimjamjon2285 Master Roshie destroyed the moon with a power level of 139, radits is 11x stronger than him.

[@ssheikh3598]

Avengers better know the "Pecking Order" 😂😂😂

[@NotEddieValdez]

RULE NUMBER ONE OF POPO'S TRAINING

[@utuberz123456789]

I really love the idea of someone doing a typical marvel one liner only to immediately lose an arm to nappa. Kinda makes you think about how generous marvel villains can be with not crippling the heroes

[@miyahdon7057]

true, like if Captain America says "I can do this all day" and Nappa blasts his arm off.

[@joshuaware818]

Dude it's MCU not Marvel Comics , if it was the Comics Wanda can one shot all of them especially if you pissed her off and their isn't anything they could do about it because they'll be mentally too messed up and physically . And unlike other Alien races saiyans pride typically gets them killed . Bearus or Whis even stated that if the saiyans worked together they'll undoubtedly reach much higher feats but oh well . The Entire Avengers wouldn't be necessary if we're talking about Comic versions since Wanda can kill them .

[@chunchunmaru935]

​@@joshuaware818if we're talking manga versions Xeno Vegeta wips the floor with wanda💀

[@johnman8398]

Lol dbz villains act the same way, frieza tried to flex on goku by using one arm and cell once attaining perfection decided to hold a tournament for fun.

[@lordaragon901]

@@joshuaware818bro brought up comic versions of the avengers as if there’s no manga versions of DBZ characters, Vegeta easily stomps strongest comic versions of all of the powerhouses, that includes Iron God, World Breaker Hulk, Rune King Thor, Darkhold Strange and Darkhold Scarlet Witch, all of whom get decimated by Ultra Ego Vegeta who scales far above universal+, and even if all of them worked together somehow beats UE they’re not getting through Xeno Vegeta 😂

[@Atlan73]

Its incredible because even Raditz who is incredibly weak in the DB-verse would be an actual serious and powerfull threat that could easily wipe out most avengers.

[@TyshaggyGaming]

Well, he *WAS* a threat in his first appearance.

[@johnnymoreno5065]

Just most of them tbh. Thor and Hulk and Captain America plus Xmen might give him trouble

[@Sesio0]

@@johnnymoreno5065cap would be weaker than kid goku

[@eyeballtreehouse111]

​@@johnnymoreno5065nappa one shotting almost every last X-Men member. Unfortunately. Even Dark Phoenix not walking away from a punch from Nappa

[@edenromanov]

​@@eyeballtreehouse111yeah only Omega level mutants and above would stand a chance, several Alpha level mutants might be able to bring down Raditz but against Nappa and Vegeta they'd definitely need an Omega at the very least.

[@kamuishortsgamer3728]

Also, it's worth mentioning that you never "Destroy" anything in Dragon ball. It's ALWAYS vaporized/erased. There's never particles left over. For anyone to be considered "Planetary" in DBZ means they are casting thousands of times the energy necessarily to blow up a planet by simply vaporizing it

[@cool2314]

Also in db, if a character is stronger than another than the stronger characters ki straight up negates the weaker characters abilities. Which means doctor strange and scarlet witch would not be able to do much. Lol Although Akira toriyama and the dragon ball super writing staff some times forget that ki can negate abilities

[@kamuishortsgamer3728]

@@cool2314 They forget everything. Some attacks do work tho. Goku when he went Kaioken x2 vs Ginyu absolutely negated Ginyu with only 60k more energy. All of his attacks just bounced off his aura. Ginyu only got the body change cuz Goku had his guard down and didn't care to fight.

[@cool2314]

@@kamuishortsgamer3728 yeah I know i forgot to mention that while ki will negate abilities and techniques most of the time there are a couple exceptions like evil containment wave and buu's candy beam but if one character can increase there ki high enough they can simply over power the attack of the weaker character like how Goku was able to over power Ginyu with kaio Ken and close the power level gap Ginyu had over goku

[@The-fs5wn]

@@cool2314 oh that’s right! Their abilities rely on spiritual energy, which via verse equalization is the same as Ki. Guess it’s an easy W for Raditz then since he’s FTL and planetary which is way above anything the Avengers have shown in the MCU.

[@SonGoku-io7sh]

Vegeta can move faster than normal humans can see but normal people can see the Avengers move. Nuff said.

[@danagray9709]

I feel like there biggest problem with the Saiyans is that their abilities are super versatile. The avengers can do one or two things really well, but every Saiyan basically has a similar power set to captain marvel, but with the ability to train that power to increase.

[@monkeykingss4luffy786]

That a fact they actually have a lot of different powers if u put into perspective they can literally do anything shit even goku has telekinesis

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@monkeykingss4luffy786 I haven't seen Goku or other Saiyans do anything 5th dimensional or greater. Unlike their omnipotent one, the Saiyans are just very strong people who can adapt and grow stronger... If Freeza didn't wipe them out. Punching reality and shattering the multiverse isn't that impressive from my perspective. But infinite other characters from fiction can do this already. More so in Marvel Comics...

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@monkeykingss4luffy786 Except Immortality... Goku can still die and it's not like he can defy death when the afterlife isn't necessarily trying to stop him. He just cannot die and return from the spirit realm too often. Otherwise, that would bring his acts of resurrection into question, outside of a wish from the Dragon Balls.

[@codem5285]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 its not about comics, if u add that up then we can add Xeno Goku lmfao

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@codem5285 Is Xeno Goku cannon to the main continuity of Dragon Ball Z? Again... Reality Punching characters are not unique in Marvel Comics. In terms of the shows... I mean the anime, not the manga... And the MCU has always been weaker in comparison to the comics. (Xeno Goku is an alternate timeline of Base Goku, who is nigh omnipotent in power as a fighter, given his battles. DBz Goku (continuity Goku) on the other hand, is not close to Xeno Goku by a long shot.)

[@nono9543]

I would love if somebody animated this. It would be so tragic. After all the death and sacrifices it would take to put Nappa down, Vegeta would just casually walk towards them, congratulate them before destroying the planet.

[@YungFrenchToasty]

Death Battle did Thor vs Vegeta.

[@mr.mikeabil6247]

​@@YungFrenchToastythat comic Thor not that movie thor

[@gamergod3798]

They can't take nappa down

[@stephinshepard5067]

Nappa alone would probably take most them out

[@johnnymoreno5065]

​@@stephinshepard5067idk about Hulk cuz he's powerful in the comics

[@iamepikd1599]

btw some people forget that in dbz King Vegeta blew up several planets with easily without breaking a sweat, and i think that Vegeta was near his power level or stronger than his father

[@lucifer61479]

That's filler

[@user-hk5zj8hv6z]

@@lucifer61479doesn’t mean anything it was a portrayal of his power

[@romusa10]

He's stronger than his dad since he was a kid, it was mentioned in saiyan/Frieza saga iirc

[@skowollon84]

Radditz would have killed everyone effortlessly. His power lvl at this point is on moon destroyer scale. But his reflexes are also on a much higher scale. No sourcerer would have even time to think of a spell, cos radditz would seem to kill them in an instant. I'd say the hulk, thor and thanos are somewhere near the king piccolo saga at maximum

[@issacclavelo6395]

Raditz was solar system

[@wowpoubelle]

Krillin solos the whole MCU

[@issacclavelo6395]

@@wowpoubelle that's a overkill

[@issacclavelo6395]

Demon king piccolo is mulit solar system

[@cryogami]

Vegeta at this arc is just too damn cold, he'd kill them all without a second thought. He isn't like Thanos where he toyed and entertained them. He'd blow the planet up just because. Also factoring in he still works for Freeza at this point. IF they managed to win over the Saiyans, they wouldn't win against THIS purple alien.

[@danello9091]

Vegeta literally let Nappa toy with the Earthlings in the saiyan saga for shits and giggles when he could've just killed them all on the spot, spending Saibamen they didn't need to spend when Nappa solo-ed them all without much struggle, he also graced them with time until Goku arrived to the scene to fight him himself, he's evil but also very very prideful during this saga, ruthless yes, but he does play with his food if he doesn't feel seriously threatened.

[@ShadowBeetle]

@@danello9091 I have no insight on Vegeta´s ideas on magic, but i think he would panic at what Strange and Scarlet Witch can do and take fastest option. IIRC he made Gohan transform into an ape for shits and giggles (and also to torture Goku a bit) cause he felt confident after wiping the floor with the rest of the Fighters Z, its a tricky scenario...

[@lightningrain3114]

​@@ShadowBeetlebruh, the witch and strange cannot get their powers off fast enough. They would lose to raditz

[@OmniDan26]

@@ShadowBeetle weird dbz downplay.

[@CDofn]

Saibamen are probably tappin tf out of a lot of a heroes

[@jacobbyrd8737]

I don’t think they’d be able to put down Vegeta either. Keep in mind he also tanked Goku’s Kamehameha which was many times stronger than a planet busting attack. He can take one hell of a beating

[@alanbrown901]

Vegeta just needs to lift a finger at this point

[@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio]

@@alanbrown901Thor outclasses vegeta tho

[@LightningThief-ck9ml]

​@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatiomcu Thor doesnt

[@fiddlesticks7245]

@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio Insane person statement. Pause your mouth, gang

[@bullettime1116]

​@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatiomcu Thor gets bitched by yamcha, cmon now

[@surelyyoujestin4871]

Ironically the most brutal part of this is the great ape transformation, but not in the way you think You see it's bad enough that vegeta can create a fake moon when ever he feels like it, However there's a big power drop that vegeta goes through after making it that the avengers could potentially capitalize on. However vegeta would not have to waste all that energy creating a fake moon, Why? Because the earth's moon is still intact in the MCU, You see, during one of the most wild moments of the time skip piccolo destroyed his earth's moon while training with gohan, this wasn't just to get gohan to de-transform but because he realized that ALL the saiyans had that same power aswell. Not only are the mcu crew likely incapable of destroying the moon without captain Marvel's help but they also don't know about the great apes unlike piccolo. (Also i feel like it's just a fundamentally bad idea to destroy the moon lol) With this in mind It's unlikely that they would even get past raditz, since if push came to shove he would just look at the moon turn into an oozaru and destroy the planet especially since they wouldn't know about the tail weakness and the fact that thor C.M. and hulk were off world during his arrival And even if they somehow beat raditz before he can transform nappa and vegeta would become great apes before they even touch down in wakanda

[@PomadaGaming]

I love the stone cold cut to “Vegeta” lmfao. That was a really funny transition💀. Yeah man

[@pisaschitt787]

You forgot to mention one thing: nappa's techniques. Nappa had a technique that only requires lifting two of his fingers and he can wipe out an entire city and turn it to wasteland. That technique alone can wipe out most wakandan warriors and most human heroes (except for vibranium armor wearing heroes like black panther and Iron man, but they will emerge heavily injured). Nappa also got a mouth blast technique that can caught some heroes off guard and completely kill them (your choice to which heroes he can do this to). And by the time the heroes have dispatched nappa, most of them were already dead or rendered unable to fight due to too much injuries. Only some powerhouses like captain marvel, wanda, strange, thor, etc. will be left on the battlefield. Even if strange makes a barrier to protect them, vegeta is more than strong enough to destroy and bypass their defenses. If somehow the remaining heroes got the best of vegeta, vegeta can always resort on the galick gun, which is strong enough to destroy the earth. And non of the heroes, even captain marvel and thor, have enough power to beam clash the galick gun and they'll easily lose. The only scenario I can see the avengers winning is when Strange resorts to using the time stone and make better strategies.

[@RustedBuddy5192]

Okay but Thors hammer though and the worthiness enchantment. Then again Hela was able to shatter it so its likely Nappa could too.

[@PurpleHeartE54]

​​@@RustedBuddy5192 Mjölnir was broken by Hela and only retrieved via Time Travel. Love & Thunder restored it, that's true, but that's way after Endgame.

[@Mach_the_Man]

The Saiyan's already won, chill out bro....

[@mauricesimpkinsii4683]

Black panthers suit nor iron mans is surviving a nuke….period. Black panther was hurt when he was hit by a grenade launcher and a rhino….a nuke is gonna shred that suit. And iron man has tanked middles before…but none that strong..

[@MonochromaticPrism]

The power scaling, particularly in regard to speed, is very very wrong in this video. The avengers cap out at low tier superhuman, aka building to city block buster. They don't have the offensive power to harm Dragonball Z episode 1 Krillin outside of magic, much less Nappa.

[@vinegro4579]

Even Krillen would wipe the floor with them. 😂

[@bwelch]

Yamcha ?? 😂😂

[@theprodigaltrue]

Krillen is strong you gotta say master roshi instead

[@imverygerby]

Nah I think pre married krillin loses to black widow

[@fus3rcillo]

​@@imverygerbyBut after losing he would probably marry her

[@JKMlive]

​@@imverygerby thats major cap 🧢, dragon ball krillin was bullet proof, and could move faster than the eye could see. Black widow getting blitzed

[@theblackneon5396]

Now this is THE DISCUSSION we all should be having these days.

[@sorcikator993]

I like when we get reminded that, way before OP stuff like super saiyans, androids and Cell were introduced, the Saiyans from the same name saga were excedingly powerful, even Raditz. Remember, a Eartling farmer (and farmers are not the weakest people around, they would kick my ass) is only a 5. 5! And Raditz the «weak» is 1200.

[@umbralowl]

Yeah tbh most people have a power level of like 3 to 7 at best, maybe 7 for martial artists(regular ones, like mike tyson, not dragon ball martial artists like goku, Thor might have a power level of a couple hundred but he's also probably one of the Avenger's heavy hitters

[@tahabaalbaki4253]

A farmer with a shotgun no less

[@thereynaldosan7695]

@@umbralowl i read that 30 is the limit of normal humans with convetional training, i remember brunce lee on the original DB series was 30 and kid goku beat him with one punch

[@AdrianMartinez-qy2ds]

​@@thereynaldosan7695We don't have confirmation as to how high normal humans get without ki training. But it's very likely that it's very low, considering that Daizenshuu 7 put Kid Goku who could lift cars and tank bullets at a measly 10 units

[@thereynaldosan7695]

@@AdrianMartinez-qy2ds My uncle do it all the time so I think 10 power is right for that

[@KarmaAnims]

Let's not forget that Nappa also had his tail when he came to Earth, if he really wanted to, we could just transform when he's backed into a corner

[@timevalentime1806]

Although I think Nappa would win, he wouldn't be able to transform without a moon in view. Vegeta probably wouldn't help him transform either.

[@basimali619]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@timevalentime1806I think he also has the ability to create a moon

[@KarmaAnims]

@@timevalentime1806 I just assume that Nappa knew how to do it since he was always with Vegeta, Nappa probably just couldn't do it because Goku's strength caught him off guard

[@Julio_Cezar1604]

@@timevalentime1806 there was no moon destroyed by piccolo in this scenario, so the moon is intact

[@timevalentime1806]

@Julio_Cezar1604 the moon would still have to be in view. If it's not in the sky at the time of the attack it wouldn't be a factor.

[@CountryballWorld]

I was about to counter but you specifically said the MCU, so you got it, Great video! Subscribed!

[@Spungs]

I feel like even Raditz would have a good chance at defeating most of them

[@epicvegeta8717]

If you watched the saiyan saga, then you would know how dangerous Vegeta was. He could erase the planet. It took Goku and others everything they had. He tanked large amounts of damage like the Kaioken powered Kamehameha and Spirit Bomb. The Stamina and durability he had was insane.

[@gogeta4341]

Yes when I was 6 and I watched the show I had the tense within me when I watched the show

[@StevenJones851]

​@@gogeta4341Vegeta was pretty powerful in the Saiyan Saga

[@akainuthegoat6312]

Vegeta ain't beating no fucking scarlet witch nor ms marvel. The hulk would reck him

[@PredsjednikGustavo._]

​@@akainuthegoat6312not MCU versions

[@epicvegeta8717]

@@akainuthegoat6312 Scarlet may have magic and Ms marvel has huge strength and energy and hulk has brute strength but Vegeta is not a joke. He has strength, precision, speed and intelligence. Not to mention insane stamina and durability. The three of them may be really strong but inevitably they wont be able to beat Vegeta.

[@TheReaIVaIkyrie]

I don’t really agree with the speed scaling. You really shouldn’t use travel speed to compare to combat speed. Thanos capturing captain marvel can either be an inconsistency or her just not being able to reach full speed. Due to the way quicksilver died and how others compared to him, we know MCU characters don’t really scale that far past mach speeds for combat/reaction time. And this is consistent with the rest of the verse for the most part. Based on this, Raditz even if he’s not at planet busting would just blitz everyone else.

[@WaveForceful]

Raditz has proven super liminal combat speed feats when he dodged piccolo’s special beam canon.

[@TheReaIVaIkyrie]

@@WaveForceful Yeah DB characters are pretty damn quick. Unfortunately I just don’t really understand how you can actually scale MCU characters past mach. Quickersilver being mach speeds in the MCU isn’t just some minor one off outlier, it’s a big deal considering he died to bullets. MCU characters are pretty slow for the most part.

[@andrewperkins7973]

Also Roshi blew up the moon at a power level of like 150 ish in the 21st world tournament so that auto puts him at moon level

[@ZionsDenn]

Planet vegeta was noted to had 10x the gravity of earth which is already putting the Saiyans at a huge speed advantage. Makes sense as to why they can fly as well.

[@erorpro]

Nice analysis.😊

[@arx3516]

There's a thing called "aim dodging" wich is simply getting out of the way an instant before the opponent pulls the trigger. And it works with everything, no matter how fast the projectile/beam is. Your don't need to be faster than light to do it, only reaction times faster than those of the shooter.

[@mitchellconner6928]

Imagine you gather all the avengers through the portals, tens of dozens to maybe even hundreds of people show up to fight this (it'd be more here since half the universe wouldn't be wiped), and the weaker enemy raises 2 fingers, killing all but 5 or so people there.

[@sumanoskae]

That sounds fucking boring.

[@cheesesteakphilly]

LOL exactly. Why is this even a question? I don’t need to spend 9 mins watching this. Yamcha and Krillin could destroy the MCU Avengers themselves. Look at Ragnarok. A drunk Valkyrie was able to subdue the God of Thunder with a taser. And she was able to treat The Hulk like a dog by making him play fetch.

[@sumanoskae]

@cheesesteakphilly And Goku got shot down by some scrub in Resurrection F. Neither of these universes are remotely consistent when it comes to power scaling.

[@onlytgfe7157]

@@sumanoskaeYet that scrub would easily beat anybody in the mcu.

[@shirogami4224]

​@@sumanoskae I think it's more about ki. Their base defence is although super human not that durable but with their ki they can stack defence even tho it can be the same body stacking something like god ki can handle more damage as long as he got ki barrier and ki are pretty versatile, it can stab or cut people clean like a sword or blind them. But still Goku taking damage when not on guard is BS.

[@danielargano5405]

Against MCU avengers I really think Raditz can probably take out Iron Man and Strange though Strange could end it early with the right timing with his ability to create portals (Those things were never used to their fullest combat wise). Honestly the MCU does make scaling a bit difficult since one moment Thor is taking the concentrated heat and radiation of a neutron star to the back than the next he’s actually feeling a punch from anyone. But I e never seen the MCU characters casually unleash city busting attacks the way Nappa or Vegeta can.

[@Jake-cm9jj]

Thank you for someone acknowledging that Thor took a neutron star pulsar lol. Pulsars are trillions of times more energy output than the sun puts and the sun killed Cooler when he was pushed into it. Cooler is Freiza final form level, so pretty sure Thor could tank anything Vegeta throws at him. Also Thor and captain marvel casually destroyed city sized space ships, Thor during Avengers 1 blanketed the portal with lightning destroying a wave of Chautari ships, and that was way before he was Stormbreaker Thor. Just because they haven't tried to destroy a city, cuz they are heroes, doesn't mean they couldn't if they wanted to.

[@bobbob-up5ri]

​@@Jake-cm9jjwhat makes you think it's a pulsar it's probably a red giant if anything.

[@Jake-cm9jj]

@@bobbob-up5ri A red giant would have been WAAY bigger than that. They are solar system sized. I think it is a pulsar because we actually see the size of the star, and it is exactly roughly what a neutron star would be. Also pulsars are beams of energy projected from the star JUST like what we see in the movie....It all lines up.

[@bobbob-up5ri]

@@Jake-cm9jj fair point I see what you mean with the size however I always assumed it was the mechanism in place that was creating the beam. However In regards to Thor I tanking that blast I think it's more of a showcase of his ability to tank high heat purely for the fact that hulk who I doubt has the same energy output as a pulsar was able to harm Thor.

[@thetemplelaboratory]

Doctor Strange made Loki fall for over a half hour. If that was implemented in battle it could be quite useful. I mean against someone in the MCU, Raditz Nappa and Vegeta can fly of course.

[@SakoSaki]

Never forget that Roshi blew up the moon in Dragonball before Z even started

[@shadow33310]

I really liked this video it actually opened my eyes to how powerful the avengers really are in the mcu

[@SirCaco]

This actually lined up perfectly with what I thought when I read the title. They could handle Raditz. MAYBE Nappa if they really brought their A game, but there would be two or three casualties at least, and then the second Vegeta stepped up, they'd be finished. And that's even if you did them a solid and gave them time to recover from their injuries and somehow bring back the ones that died fighting Nappa.

[@CalebScott1991]

They stand 0 chance against Raditz imo, They aren't even able to see him with how fast he moves, and 1 punch explodes even Thor.

[@alyrics6584]

​@@CalebScott1991that's too much

[@REDACTED887]

​@CalebScott1991 that's what I'm saying he highballed TF out of the avengers. Ironman metal getting obliterated and caps just a super human and hulk ain't strong enough u gotta pray doc or Wanda can send his ass to another dimension before he attacks.

[@devildolphin2102]

Don’t forget the Saibaman

[@REDACTED887]

@@alyrics6584 Thor comics you right but mcu nah he getting smoked

[@FalloutJack]

Something that alot of people miss, including Vegeta himself sometimes, is that the big V was our first planet-killer and beat Goku in a fair fight. Yeah, he didn't like that Goku grew alot stronger, later, but he did actually win, the first time.

[@thefool7353]

>Beat Goku in a fair fight >Fair fight Vegeta was fighting Goku, Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobi at the same time. 4 on 1 isn't exactly what I would call fair. 1v1 Vegeta easily poops on Goku in that fight.

[@FalloutJack]

@@thefool7353 Okay, four-on-one isn't a straight-up fair fight. Vegeta was mainly struck down by a few X-factors, like sneak-attacks by Yajirobi and having to deal with Oozaru Gohan. Everything else - from Kaioken to Spirit Bomb - Vegeta completely tanked. But yes, Vegeta shouldn't feel as bad as he does sometimes about Goku's strength. He beat Goku within an inch of his life, and Saiyans bounce back Had he thought about it for a second, he would've realized that Goku obviously wanted strength badly enough to train up to the level he next saw him in. And frankly, if he really believed in his own elite status that much, then he shouldn't have worried, because he knew that he'd get that high, as well.

[@atomic747]

@@thefool7353 well vegeta wasn't fighting all 4 of them until he turn into a giant gorilla. Goku was holding his own against vegeta until he transform.

[@rllydude3600]

the big V

[@FalloutJack]

@@rllydude3600 When a short-but-impressively-powerful guy that can benchpress a continent comes your way, you'd better be stronger or be prepared to curb the short jokes.

[@mwawtheone]

Great vid I loved it

[@man.506]

That scene where vegeta was eatin that alien brought me back to my first time seeing db in a black and white manga, way back in the day, crazy.

[@nixodian108]

Here is the thing: since the Avengers can't know about Saiyan biology they wouldn't only have to face one Great Ape, but two (because they wouldn't have destroyed the Moon)!

[@DejawoostA]

Raditz would be a planetary threat and he would kill/incapacitate most of the MCU heroes. Nappa would steamroll everyone (too fast, too strong, too durable). Vegeta is not needed, he would just watch as Nappa decimates the heroes and the planet.

[@WaveForceful]

Yeah Nappa alone would be like trying to fight 10 Thanos’ with the infinity gauntlet.

[@primisoda1400]

nappa soloed like 4 multi planetary fighters low diff vegeta in great ape form is 45x stronger than that

[@fwdooms2540]

Raditz definitely dies but he might get some kills under his belt. Considering he is going in alone and will likely get jumped while also being no stronger than a saibaman.

[@primisoda1400]

@@fwdooms2540 using power levels, hes around 10x moon level or planetary

[@jimjamjon2285]

@@primisoda1400 which multi planetary characters did nappa solo 😂?

[@Black_Beard96]

Could you do a video seeing if the Vegeta and nappa can save ace at MarineFord (one piece). I know the reasons would not make sense, but during the cp9 arch they Rob luchie had a power level a little over 4k. For reference, the specific scene said the average marine (with a rifle and sword) had a power level of 10. The characters are exponentially stronger when they are trying to save ace. So seeing if the admirals and warlords would stand a chance would be really cool and worth a breakdown I think. Anyway love the content, just think this would make an awesome video.

[@reddragon7762]

4:00 the amount of heat generated and the busting of sound barriers as well as the speed if light itself being surpassed, the generation of winds, within earths atmosphere, would be more devastating than just letting thanos snap the damn gauntlet. There is a reason planes have a max speed, expecially commercial planes. so you have to cap heroes speed and other to certain points(depending on scenario) for not the movies but for realistic sense that we can feel amazed yet still relate and understand as an average audience member.

[@marcolopes9848]

I think one thing is Mis-represented here. While the avengers could tank some high level attacks. Are they able to dish them out? While they could possibly keep up with raditz , beating him is another story since he can tank shots much harder than the Avengers could likely dish out “Edit”: Here’s some more proof to back my argument , Raditz was stated to be faster than the speed of light by Piccolo. Iron Man & Dr. Strange are not light speed characters. Raditz could have them dead before even they know what had hit them.

[@powerjolt7215]

Pretty much this. Using Vegeta as an example, a times 4 kaioken Kamehameha didn't straight up erase hin and take into account that kaioken enhances Gokus battle power, but the Kamehameha also does

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Nah they have AP feats that scale higher than their durability and just like every other verse in fiction, their durability is also scaled to their powers, if they can take planet level hits from a being that is durable enough to take planets exploding in his face then they end up damaging and injuring him, that's planet level ap.

[@marcolopes9848]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki not sure where you get the durability being scaled to their power from… Iron man took damage from the power stone which can wipe a planet out. But iron man hasn’t proven any planet busting feats… Thanos alone can’t bust a planet. He is strong yes but without the stones he isn’t planet busting in power. We are talking about the MCU here by the way… When iron man made thanos bleed , the gauntlet was disabled by iron man’s thing he put on thanos’s hand to prevent him from using the stones. So at max , Iron man damaged a very strong person. Definitely not planet busting since again , the stones were inactive.

[@normanderi]

Totally agree, receiving a hit and doing the hitting are two different skills.

[@powerjolt7215]

@normanderi And Dragonball characters have consistently shown that they can take more than they give. Again a battered and bruised Vegeta using his last energy took an attack that was a lot stronger than himself. Nearly double his power if not more than

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that Piccolo was only in the 400’s when he blew up the moon (large planet feat). I think pre-Z Goku is also confirmed planet busting capability. And of course Roshi blew up the moon leaving no trace at the end of his fight with Goku in the 1st tournament, and that was a fatigued Roshi doing a quick blast, little charge up, no muscle form. A power level of less than 150. Raditz is 10x Roshi and 3-4x Piccolo’s power. And the power levels of early dragon ball are logarithmic. Kami at 300 is many times stronger than just 2x Roshi. So Raditz is comfortably large planet level.

[@RustyShackleford420]

Don't forget that it only took Roshi's Kamehameha a few seconds to hit the moon making it near light speed.

[@hollow3450]

​@@RustyShackleford420 Don't forget that Roshi was worn out after a long fight with goku at that point so he was no were near his full power

[@RustyShackleford420]

@@hollow3450 yeah I'm pretty sure he says something about putting all he had left in that attack but I could be wrong or it's a dubbism

[@gamerthings2559]

Either way, OG Dragon Ball, let alone early Dragon Ball Z, is broken. (Late DBZ, in the Buu Saga, is CRAZY power levels.)

[@ssj4ssbgogeta957]

His power level was in the 300s since he did it in his weighted clothing.

[@DarkLordofTheRizz]

Its worse when you go down the scaling rabbit hole for Nappa. The 4000 base is easily debunkable, when you consider Nappa being motivated, not only could keep up with Goku's 8000 pl, speed, but also almost one shot him if Goku didnt Ki clash last minute. He needed a kaio-ken to catch up to Nappa, who should not be faster than someone whos twice his output. Nappa was more than likely sitting at a max of 6000. Even Vegeta remarks that he believes Nappa can win on his experience, but it will be long and drawn-out. Its confirmed by Super, that Saiyans can in fact get stronger mid-combat, not just zenkais. Nappa should be able to speed blitz most of the avengers. Captain Marvel's travel speed is not the same as combat speed either.

[@johnnyapplepiel3788]

One important aspect that this video didn't mention was that power levels earlier on dbz were not linear. So a person with a 400 pl would possess much more than just 2x the stats of a person with 200 pl. Or else you have arguments like how the farmer with a shotgun can destroy a continent with a power level of 5 if you see powerlevels as linear.

[@MonochromaticPrism]

Speed feats on both ends are off due to auto-dodging (dodging where someone is aiming before they pull the trigger on a ftl weapon due to charge up time, their muscles clenching as they squeeze a trigger, or some other tell that occurs before the weapon is fired). For example, Tony Stark's lasers are consistently shown to have a power up interval, and he, a base human, has to aim and fire his weapons without his suit moving so quickly it turns his organs to jelly. Because of this everyone with the exception of quicksilver is human, human+, or low tier super human in speed. Even Captain Marvel. Given that every time we see her in combat she is moving, at best, at Quicksilver speed, it most likely means that she either has no fine control over her movements or she can only use her max speed to fly through deep space. Her failing to instantly reach the portal, and instead being intercepted by Thanos throwing a weapon that Tony and Captain America could react to, supports this. Dragonball (not Dragonball Z) Krillin, in his first martial arts tournament, was capable of moving faster than base human vision to the point where he and his opponent were invisible. Adult Krillin, at the start of DBZ, could speed blitz the majority of the Avengers army. The only people he might not be able to kill are Captain Marvel, Thor, and the Hulk due to not having very good damage feats. If you include power level scaling it's probably only Captain Marvel that survives. She is then probably killed by Raditz, and it's not even close. Their only hope is to use magic or shrinking tech to send the Saiyans to another dimension using trickery, since even powerful characters in DBZ regularly choose to interact with people at non-super speeds, and all three of the Saiyans love gloating.

[@sonicszuetomyt5448]

Avengers: send out Saiyans to another dimension The Saiyans: -Hey Vegeta do you think we'll be able to go back if we shout like reeeeeeaaaaaal loud? -What, have you lost your mind nappa, we're in the middle of nowhere, that magician sent us down here- -REEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! (A portal opens) -See? I told you Vegeta! _The point: Gotenks and Buu opened portals Hyperbolic Space chamber/Earth by screaming_

[@MonochromaticPrism]

@@sonicszuetomyt5448 Right, but the Hypersonic Rhyme Chamber isn't a natural dimension, it's artificial and made of magic. Sending someone to another naturally occurring dimension is the same as teleporting them to the other side of the universe. Once they are there, unless they can open portals themselves they have no means of returning.

[@Lynn.-_-.]

@@MonochromaticPrism But the avengers are still ducked. Frieza would come to check why vegeta disappeared even if he doesn't care about him he is one of the strongest guys in his army. He'll check earth out and the avengers basically have 0 hope of wining unless they do magic shit.

[@Vertraic]

@@Lynn.-_-. Nah, before he went to earth Vegeta was just a high level grunt for Frieza. That's why most of his forces just laughed at and mocked him when he first arrived on Namek. It was only his most common foot soldiers that were overwhelmed by pre-earth Vegeta. His lieutenants like Dodoria would have annihilated him even in Ape form back then, let alone something like the Ginyu force. And he did not tell Frieza where he was going ANYWAYS, so it likely would have just blown over.

[@Lynn.-_-.]

@@Vertraic Let me explain. Frieza doesn't care about vegeta but it's not like his a weakling by any measures. His still stronger than most of friezas army which would pique friezas interest as to who killed the saiyans especially considering how earth isn't even on friezas radar (frieza is running a galactic empire which sells planets so it's highly likely he would be interested in a backwater planet which managed to kill 3 saiyans). And considering how the scouters are all connected ( that's how he found out about the dragon balls, if I remember correctly) I don't think it would be that hard to find earth. Considering the avengers can't match vegetas power so they would use magic which if frieza knew, he might decide to nip the problem before it blossoms considering how frieza destroyed planet vegeta (Ima ignore the lazy gluttonous cat 🐱 here). Even if he doesn't come he still would send scouts to check out earth but considering how far behind earth is if the scouts leave unharmed frieza might just lose interest if he doesn't know about the magic.

[@mathewcool1626]

They could win with the Infinity Stones, although it wouldn´t be very easy. Both Nappa and Vegeta are war experts, so the struggle for the Gauntlet that happened in End Game, if it happened, would be way more intense, and even if Nappa had the intention of letting them use it, Vegeta would warn him to do otherwise, like he did when Krillin charged the Destructo-Disk against Nappa, unless they snap before they arrive, making it very anti-climatic.

[@Spritesforpeeps]

tony would need t most likely, if thaos wasn't there, and although that could probably kill them both its a low chance

[@Mars20231]

Wouldn't they not have all the stones because of thanos not being involved?

[@butterflymage5623]

Without thanos though, would they even have the idea of using the snap in the first place?

[@timevalentime1806]

They would only have the time stone and mind. They might get the space stone if loki wasn't stingy, but it took thor being tortured for him to bring it out so that's not likely. The power stone was in the possession of thanos, the reality stone is still with the collector on knowhere, and there's absolutely no way they're getting the soul stone. Come to think of it, Thor won't even have his hammer in this so he'd be far weaker.

[@SlewedBoot25934]

Strange could freeze time and allow Thor and Captain Marvel to attack the Saiyans.

[@yeahman6907]

Truth is Nappa probably wouldn’t even die in the first place. Since no one on Earth would know about the Saiyans using the full moon in order to turn into great apes, they would have no reason to destroy it. Nappa and Vegeta would most likely schedule their visit to Earth along side the full moon like they did in dbz, except this time it’d actually be there. If Nappa were to start losing anytime during the fight then he’d most likely try to run and find the moon. Or it could easily just be like how It did in the manga and Vegeta tells him to stand down

[@Ryanshort25]

Man, I love hearing dokkan ost’s in the wild

[@NicholasDraughn]

This was actually way more thought out and balanced than I thought it was going to be. However, I still sort of disagree with the first point about the power stone. In the scene we see a Celestial using it to destroy a planet, but I think it just enhances whoever is using it. So the stronger the user, a Celestial for example, the stronger the stones power.

[@sumanoskae]

This is one of many leaps of logic in the video.

[@Michaeljefferson9000]

This is the case. The Power Stone does have some energy manipulation powers, but its main ability is to greatly enhance the qualities of whoever is holding it. Someone who is strong will become stronger, someone who is fast will become faster, etc. It's the most important stone for that specific reason; it boosts the other stones when used together. At least, that's how it works in the comics. The movies have really screwed with how they work, and the universe in general.

[@federicoarmada8775]

They explained in GOTG that the power’s stone power depends on its target’s size.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Given the snap... I don't think so... However, it's probably an exception given by using all 6 IS. But the MCU made a point that a User has to be stronger or equal to a celestial (or of a child of one) in order to use, at least, the power stone. And the Celestials crafted universes, so their staff to no diff one planet is more of them "walking on a beach".

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@Michaeljefferson9000 The Power Stone in Marvel Comic has no limitation with its User and did more than powering up its User. You're basically a Saiyan as a Human with absolute power. Think of Doom Guy and BS anything which can harm, affect, kill you because you're too angry to die. That is the Power Stone's full capability. Matter manipulation abd energy manipulation is just one factor of the Power Stone. But make no mistake... All but the Mind Stone and Soul Stone can do very much the same as the Power Stone in the Comics. Mind and Soul are on the level of the Phoenix Force, Eternity, and the Living Tribunal. Both stones are of thar calibur at max potential. Then all 6 together, it is neigh omnipotence. More so than what the Movies could ever hope to grasp... Even the Complete Nullifier is but a toy against the Infinity Stones.

[@leoluna319]

Very true. You did well in the video.

[@dylanmcfee3268]

I do like how he made it a point to use the MCU versions of the avengers and not just a mesh of the MCU and comics. The MCU versions of the characters seem a bit less godly and would actually be the underdogs in this fight. As for the comic versions of the avengers, thats a completely different story IMO....

[@atshabal]

Indeed.

[@odd02]

Comic book version would most likely stomp

[@Tsutsu5]

@@odd02yea they’d clap raditz and base vegeta ofc, but what be way difficult is saiyan + vegeta in all the forms he’s achieved now including ultra ego. This alone could clap all the avengers at will as ultra ego is a different spectrum of power that the avengers don’t have, even world breaker hulk which would be their best shot would not stand a chance

[@Hexis17]

Theirs no point in going down that thought process because, this is the weakest version of all the DBZ characters, and if you know anything about even BASE DBZ then you know its over.

[@dylanmcfee3268]

Take it with a grain salt, but Death Battle did a match up between Vegeta and Thor and it was said that Thor would win. Most of the avengers wouldn't stand a chance against most saiyans, but Thor honestly would slap most if not all of them in a 1v1. Thor is busted af.

[@yamato9753]

The only win condition i would consider for the avengers would be Thor summoning the Bifrost onto Vegeta and keeping it active until it annihilates him. The Bifrost, when hold for long enough, could destroy entire planets or (if you think Jotuunheim is a dimension) a whole dimension. Even then, Vegeta could move out of the way and just yoink Stormbreaker for himself.

[@scottjohnson8382]

Good vid. Accurate.

[@gamergrub6917]

I don't think scaling some of the characters who tanked the power stone to planet level is fair, the power stone varies a LOT based on the size of the target. So honestly they'd have a much more rough time, the only ones who'd stand a chance would be love and thunder Thor and a post wandavision Scarlet witch

[@MagiaBased]

And even if we scale them up to Planet Level it wouldn't matter because in the Saiyan Saga Vegeta already was a Planet Buster.

[@midruto2127]

Thor before love and thunder would give them hell of a run he was tanking a star while making storm breaker not to mention dr strange can manipulate time so even if he does it redo it Wanda mind hacks vision can phase through and stuff

[@psthbest]

​@@midruto2127Thor wouldn't do shit. He isn't even fast enough to tag Quicksilvet let alone people who are much stronger and faster.

[@scottdungy8574]

End game Wanda would be enough. She was already powerful enough to destroy infinity stones and rewrite reality without the darkhold. Vision would be alive and probably could use the mind stone on dumb characters like nappa and the SAibamen to reduce casualties. Thor, Hulk and Cap with hammer could keep nappa busy ppl forget how strong Thor is because he’s cracking jokes. He took on the full force of an exploding star Vegeta isn’t on sun buster level yet. They still have 3 infinity stones. Mind, time, and space and if they had a year to prepare they could probably get the power and reality stone too. Those stones mixed with captain marvel or Thor would be enough to protect earth. Imagine reality stone with Wanda rewriting existence, dr strange rewinding time to save people or predict next attacks plus using portals to redirect incoming attacks.Thor powering up his axe with the power stone and captain marvel using the space stone like a battery

[@origon4477]

​@@scottdungy8574XD wanda could only destroy the mind stone because her powers were the same. If those powers don't kill vegeta instantly she'll get blitzed before she can even react

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

If Vegeta ever felt even remotely threatened, then it would be goodbye earth and not a single character could have been able to stop him. MAYBE Marvel could have tried to tackle him away from the planet and into space, but that's assuming she has the actual strength to actually budge him.

[@DeltaTTYSQ33z3R]

Also Vegeta is a genius when it comes to combat. Idk if C. Marvel will be able to fight him, despite maybe possibly having close to strength

[@LionWithAGun]

she absorbs energy kinda like super 17 in gt. i think if she just tanked it she would be fine. especially if shes been getting boosted by smaller blast in the fight against nappa. her being boosted by their energy could help but i think shed be the counter to a planet destroying move. making it be a fist fight for vegeta or having to catch her off guard to hit a gallick gun

[@WorldWalker128]

Depends on who is writing the script. She has as much strength and abilities as the plot requires for victory rather than any actual earned skill...unless we're talking classic comic Captain Marvel and not modern Captain Marvel. They're both powerful, but unfortunately you just can't beat plot armor.

[@DeltaTTYSQ33z3R]

She does have abilities to soft counter vegeta’s attack but remember that he has tremendous battle experience. I don’t remember her actually having to “fight” someone with similar strength, the last in the comics she absorbed powerful energy and became her strongest form, she died of j remember correctly.

[@lancejac6250]

Please please please destroy the earth. Vegeta and nappa need air. Thor and captain marvel don't and those space shops don't seem to fast or hard

[@xcmet]

5:51 I dont think the avengers would wait for the saiyans if they knew they would be coming to earth for the stones. They'd simply send thor or captain marvel into space to destroy Vegeta and Nappa;s spacepod after getting intel from Vision about their biology and incapability to survive in space, thus killing them instantly. It seems greatly out character for the avengers act in line with the Z fighters, who enjoy fights, and are not typical heroes. Case in point, being how the Z warriors allowed Gero to build the andriods even after Bulma sugested to use the dragon balls to find his secret lab, which the Z warriors opted not to do. Something the avengers would never consider.

[@vinayak90417]

They cn easily survive in space with a mask ( like a oxygen mask ) if u seen DBZ masked saiyans easily fights in space and even destroy planets while staying in space..their body never explodes to vaccum unlike marvel characters lol

[@marianocimino8381]

I usually think about these kind pf situations of dragon ball villains vs well known groups of comics or other media like Nappa vs The X-Men from the Jim Lee era or Turles against the Justice Society for some reason hajajsjajja

[@Jellysfrickingstuff]

3:20 I don’t think it’s fair to say that the power stone was being used at full force when it hit those avengers. If a planetary destruction level beam hit a person, even if they blocked it, it would either explode or crator them into the earth (and then explode), unless we’re assuming that iron man’s legs were strong enough to push back planetary devastation levels of force. Even then, his legs would be exerting that same amount of force into the ground beneath him, still causing a massive global natural disaster at best.

[@baloogathewale]

I think it wouldn't be that bad of a statement to make because those characters were relative to Ironman and if the power stone was capable of planetary feats he should scale to that. Especially if you take into account that thanos was going for the kill with Ironman specifically and was more than likely going all out and the other characters scale around that

[@elijahlee3610]

You can't apply that level of physics logic to the MCU or DBZ. Realistically, iron man would kill himself from the amount of G force he outputs. You just have to turn your brain off with certain things

[@fatty1040]

​​@@elijahlee3610except by turning our brains off that makes Dragon Ball feats much stronger than MCU feats. Considering they MCU dont move at super speed like DBZ characters do in every fight.

[@cliffordsmith8499]

@@fatty1040 they do tho in the comics. It's hard to put that speed in a movie and make it look good for the audience. Kinda why we have yet to get a good Manga live action movie. There are just things you can't do with movies. Kind of why I think this comparison isn't quite fair. Comparing a cartoon/manga to a live action movie instead of the comics/cartoons.

[@fatty1040]

@@cliffordsmith8499 It is in dragon balls case tho since they establish early on for their universe is that they ARE moving that fast and the Manga panels are glimpses of what we get to see. So if a character teleports (Nobody can teleport except Goku, literally all characters have this teleport move which is just them putting all their effort and energy into flying) They really are just moving so much more faster and as their power increases so does their speed, endurance, strength, energy capacity, mental focus, and intrinsic powers. Literally all that gets stronger by them increasing their ki. Even the dbz technology is OP. Bulma took an alien spaceship "Kamis spaceship" and it took them to Jupiter in less than 5 seconds. They want to use this ship to go to another planet called "Namek" that takes earth technology 4339 years to reach but with Kamis spaceship it took 32 days instead.

[@vanguardas9927]

People forget that before going to Earth. In the very early episodes of DBZ. Vegeta blew up a planet with a small energy blast cause he felt like it. Imagine the output his Galick Gun can do.

[@ttv_mrjack6749]

that was filler tho and never repeated. He had to power up his Galek gun to do the same during a mainline episode. Fair to say that was an outlier feat.

[@eyeballtreehouse111]

​@@ttv_mrjack6749context means nothing to you? That's filler but piccolo could do the same thing in the same saga? Roshi did the same thing in original dragon ball. Planetary destruction is child's play to Vegeta from the moment he's introduced

[@effortless4588]

@@ttv_mrjack6749 filler is canon to dbz lmao, king Vegeta destroyed 3 planets with a wave of his hand it’s not an outlier for Vegeta to do the same with a tiny ki blast

[@aspiknf]

@@eyeballtreehouse111 Wasn't Vegeta in space when he did that feat? Saiyans can't breathe in space.

[@ttv_mrjack6749]

@@eyeballtreehouse111 Neither of them did it effortlessly and no, the moon is absolutely not the same as Earth and almost all blasts to destroy Earth are charged up and intense moments. Otherwise, random blasts from SSGSSB x10KK will obliterate the Earth when brolly deflects them. Filler isn't cannon to future seasons or referenced again, hence it being non-cannon. It's just a sequence to fill up time.

[@2Breezyyy]

We wouldn't even be able to blink before nappa kills them all.

[@fatty1040]

I'd just like to point out that Humans in DBZ are far more advanced in technologically and Bioengineering (Because Dinosaurs) than MCU earths. Yet even with that Bulma estimated with Earths current advanced technology they would take 4000 years to reach namek but they use an alien space ship from Kami (A main character) and it shortens the 4000 year journey into a month. I bring this up because the saiyan space pods that Vegeta used also made it there in the same amount of time. Meaning Captain Marvel is gonna have trouble finding and catching these ships considering Kamis ship went from Earth to Jupiter in a couple of seconds

[@MrAnimater_Vr]

I'm just imagining Nappa just raising his 2 fingers at the army of avengers and wiping out like 95% of them instantly, like how he levels the city he crashed landed on Like a small scale version of the Snap

[@BigBossIvan]

This sounds so much better than anything from Marvel in almost half a decade.

[@IWENTTOCOLLEGE]

With the exception of gotg 3 and no way home

[@NagatoOPRESSORTHUGLIFE]

From MCU*

[@Sorcererzz]

When's dragon balls next live action? I heard the first one was great

[@jordanyates563]

Disney would write it so that Captain Marvel obliterates Nappa and has a mid difficulty fight with vegeta until he insults her for being a woman, she goes into rage mode and easily beats him, ending it with some cringe one liner about how they should’ve sent their women instead 🙄🙄🙄🤦🏾‍♂️ I can see it now

[@gloobark]

this was so awesome lmao

[@CaptChilly]

Travel speed and combat speed feats in fiction are often extremely disjointed and should not be combined for scaling, lest you want to accept extreme inconsistencies. Another pet peeve is assuming light-based attacks/energy beams travel at light speed and scaling characters who react to/dodge them accordingly, because doing so would also put these feats as MASSIVE outliers compared to literally any other speed feat in their series.

[@eggwet8767]

he gave the avengers some wank to give them almost a chance they needed it

[@Nazhulian]

That it would. I see people doing this a lot, and it's completely inconsistent in most media. Rather annoying to witness because nearly every time it makes no sense and is only there to shoehorn a "balance" in to try and make the fight hypothetically feasible.

[@blackmail2459]

What’s annoying about fiction is that characters no matter how “fast” they are, are never faster than the speed of sound. Goku in the first tournament arc literally disappears from the human eye, from sheer speed, but there’s not a sonic boom? Mfs talk while fighting at insane speeds if you were to overcome the impossibility of such a thing. The rock of power can be deflected by what amounts to regenerating tin? Captain marvel somehow being the least offending character is hilarious rn.

[@deplorabledegenerate2630]

Thought the same thing and said as much. There also is a false correlation between strength and striking power. I think the best way I've heard it described is a bulldozer is 'stronger' than a sports car, but being hit by the bulldozer at top speed knocks you over where as being hit by the sports car at top speed shatters you.

[@______Daniel]

Yeah this screws up everything imo

[@ELM3LVIN]

if they invade earth, the avengers might manage to beat raditz with some difficulty, but beating Nappa would be pretty tough, Vegeta is on a diferent level

[@joshualighttime604]

What about great ape vegeta 🐒

[@ThatRedNumber]

​@@joshualighttime604they wouldn't survive long enough to piss off Vegeta to make him go Ape. They'd be lucky to even survive Galick Gun

[@Kyle-zb6jy]

@@ThatRedNumberlol what 😂

[@hikari9513]

​@@Kyle-zb6jyno way you think hes wrong

[@punkzx2608]

​@@hikari9513 only current thor would beat him and that's about it. No one else will come close to beating early vegeta

[@EragonWhatIf]

Delicious. Finally, some good power scaling

[@LiterallyGoku.]

4:55 False that was directly after piccolo and Goku had their ass handed to them by Raditz, even if you bring up that he was charged up with ki.. Raditz OBVIOUSLY has ki attacks too.. and beyond that, Roshi busted a moon in the same way, back in OG dragon ball.

[@princeking1562]

Its best not to forget kid goku in the Tourney against Krillin went invisible just by side stepping quickly and got up into his face and hit him like 8 times. While the audience only saw goku appear and scare him out of the ring and this is a child easily 5x weaker than Raditz at this point in the story the Top level fighters they had already begun to use ki sensing to follow the opponents instead of their eyes since sudden movements were harder to follow. Raditz can Oozaru which would further multiple his speed and strength and he even called himself an elite Soldier and it is known that the elite Saiyans can maintain their sanity under transformation lets say they beat Raditz by a stretch Nappy boi can easily kill all of em while geat's sun tans. 🤣

[@meganparrish807]

Yeah, that speed feat with Thanos hitting Marvel isn't much of one because that's her traveling speed not her combat speed. DBZ has combat speeds that completely blow the MCU out of the water.

[@BlackLippedBastard]

@@meganparrish807especially when you consider that when nappa and vegeta first landed Gohan who had been training for months couldn’t even see them move

[@shaunytheboi3834]

Didn't take into consideration that Dr.Strange would've used the time stone like he did originally to see all possible outcomes and probably come up with a way to trap at least vegeta in the mirror dimension and then they could possibly win or using the prep time to make a weapon to shoot their ships while they were out in space.

[@JUVxNATE]

wouldn't need to think about that ngl, considering how the ki system in db allows them to dispel magic if they are stronger. Which Vegeta and Nappa clearly are. The whole blowing up the ship thing could maybe work, but it's a total cop out so bringing it up would be kinda lame

[@d-space1935]

⁠@@JUVxNATENot necessarily, there are plenty of times where magic works on stronger opponents like Ginyu’s body change working on Goku and Vegeta, Super Buu’s candy beam working on Vegito, and all the times solar flare was used. Dr. Strange is their trump card either by reflecting his blasts back at him or transporting him somewhere else. The other avengers will need to stall him while this happen and either do the same to or kill Nappa.

[@Papa_Parry]

@@d-space1935 Solar flare doesn't blind people through magic, it's literally just using your ki to create a light bright enough to temporarily blind people.

[@chukaval7009]

@@d-space1935 Apart from Ginyu's technique, Vegito was still able to move when turned into candy and as Papa_Parry mentioned Solar Flare isn't magic.

[@SunWukongYT]

What about the chance that Strange isn’t able to find any possible outcomes?

[@MrGunmaster64]

The same elbow that Raditz landed on Goku/Piccolo would kill Iron Man instantly. Raditz is much stronger than moon level, Nappa and Vegeta are really overkill and not needed at all. New York would be ashes on the moment Raditz/Nappa raised their fingers.

[@antoniocruz4045]

Cool video

[@thomast-rexwoodjr5688]

An issue I'd have with scaling the feats of speed for marvel. Is that their travel speed is way diffrent from fighting speed. And even in the end of dragon ball into z goku and inturn vegeta can fight so fast people can't see them so their fighting speed is at least light speed. Which means they have cognitive ability to see as fast as they can move.

[@timevalentime1806]

Yup, Krillin and Master Roshi had an entire fight in under a second. Master Roshi blew up the moon while fatigued in a few seconds. Goku dodged lightning as a kid and potentially light from the solar flare.

[@ASavageEye]

Thats all quite true and valid but what good is faster that light punching speed when the enemy can just stop time? Like seriously I think everyone is too hung up on the strength and speed thing. All it would take for the Avengers to win is Dr Strange to stop time for everyone bar himself and Thor, then have Thor walk over and remove their heads with his axe. Done and dusted. This however brings me to the very obvious reason why the creator of this video chose Avengers from the MCU and not the comics. The MCU versions of Avengers are WAY underpowered compared to their comic versions. This is an obvious attempt to make sure the victory is handed to the Saiyans.

[@endlesscalm1509]

Yeah travel speed and combat speed is way different, especially in space. Acceleration builds over time in space with no gravity or friction dragging you down / back so even a low, constant acceleration can lead to you approaching light speed over time. On a planet with atmo, air resistence, and gravity though it's a hole different story.

[@jasonfarrell00]

I wouldn’t say light speed…I can’t see a bullet travel…and even if you could, let’s say the bullet is traveling 1 million mph, you’re still 670x slower than the speed of light 🤷‍♂️

[@timothyn4699]

@@ASavageEye if strange could stop time, why didn't he do that to stop thanos and take the gauntlet away?

[@jlogan2228]

Consider this. All three Saiyan's can go great ape form, but in their bases, Raditz could probably go toe to toe with memebers like vision, war machine, basically the upper mid tier cast. Now, keep in mind that nappa can legit GROW a small army of siabamen who are as strong as raditz. Then you have nappa who could probably go toe to toe eith mcu hulk and thor but is also capable of turning a major city into a glass floor with a single attack. Vegeta, by comparison is twice as powerful if not more than nappa at that point and a very skilled fighter and has planetary level energy attacks so even someone like scarlett witch or captain marvel wouldnt be able to stand toe to toe with thst.

[@eyeballtreehouse111]

He'd raise 2 fingers and wipe out 90% of the battlefield

[@jlogan2228]

@@eyeballtreehouse111 exactly. The MCU power scaling is all over the place so there's always the " yea but what about" factor but during the Saiyan saga Vegeta nappa raditz and the saibamen easily wrecked the strongest fighters on earth who all had super strength, speed, fighting skills, and energy attacks that could level a skyscraper at least and even with Wanda being at her peak or captain marvel not holding back I don't see them surviving Vegeta especially if he goes great ape

[@ThepurposeofTime]

And then you remember that master roshi during the very early Dragonball saga wiped the moon out 🤣

[@jamesjohnston5749]

Vegeta is four times as powerful as Nappa, to be specific - and obviously more well trained and a better fighter. The ape form is a X10 multiplier, so Raditz in ape form is about triple Nappa in his human form. Worth noting also that Raditz is about 11 times more powerful than Roshi was when he blew the moon into atoms for some perspective, since you don't really get a good gauge on Raditz or the Saibamen.

[@user-mh5te3dy7n]

@@jamesjohnston5749 Piccolo blows up the moon and it takes him and goku at the time to cheapshot raditz by suicide. Honestly just with the speed feats its impossible for any MCU characters to take on anything great ape or kaioken x4 level. They wouldnt even be able to see them. That one guy says skyscraper but piccolo and roshi destroying the moon at a far lower level is insane compared to saiyan invasion saga.

[@pisamakesplayz]

i Love this story we neeed this collab 🔥🔥

[@samuelbaker9623]

Not necessarily disagreeing with the power count, BUT, when the avengers were planning to counter Thanos, they knew he: a. Had the space stone, and could portal to Earth b. Was coming for the mind stone (the last stone on earth) If the avengers knew the Saiyans were coming, they'd know they would be coming the same way Radditz did, by pod. Rather than preparing an army, Stark would likely invest instead in space weapon infrastructure to destroy the Saiyan pods in space, rather than wait for them to land. That might be more effective than taking them on 1v1.

[@taspectrum2552]

I think you’d have to factor in how and if they would find the pod he landed in. Assuming they do I don’t know if they’d assume the two massively stronger counterparts would as well. Disregarding that the weapon they’d have to build to do considerable amount of damage or have the range to stop them before they get into the atmosphere is wild. As far as I know they haven’t shown anything like this in the movie universe.

[@TheSadMusician]

Even if they destroyed the Pods Vegeta and nappa would sense all that energy coming to them, and just dodge out of the way

[@thepsychobear2362]

@@TheSadMusician If they destroy the pods, Vegeta and Nappa just fucking die in space.

[@TheSadMusician]

@@thepsychobear2362 the space conquering saiyans? Those will die in space 🤦

[@brightspeed6782]

​@TheSadMusician They cant sense ki untill namek though?

[@elnietodelmichoacano5153]

Considering that King Piccolo was easily destroying entire cities with his ki blasts, I think it's safe to say that there is no chance that the Avengers can defeat any of the villains in Dragon Ball Z. Imo the Avengers could only make it to the Red Ribbon Army saga before they become outclassed.

[@necr0danc3r29]

They'd have to rely on magic hax pretty consistently to deal with anything above Nappa's level.

[@Drew_Blixky-Games]

I love all of you for this😂

[@SeanDaNerd]

Master Roshi blew up the moon on like episode 25 of Dragon Ball. Also Piccolo blew up the moon when he was raising Gohan

[@youhobosarereadytohaha6050]

Present day red ribbon would absolutely eat their asses with Gamma 1 and 2.

[@realamericannegro977]

Ot would take characters like Blue Marvel and Sliver Surfer to mess with Z

[@Patrick_Bateman_69]

Napa could lift his fingers and take them all out except for hulk and maybe Thor

[@him4427]

I know you only watch dbz

[@Patrick_Bateman_69]

@@him4427nah I was a marvel fan way before I got into dragon ball, I even got a green goblin tattoo

[@jamesgray5900]

@@him4427 For some reason they said MCU not comic book version. Comic version earth wrecks

[@knightstudio9985]

true comic book version of avengers can easy beat sayian saga raditz, vegeta & nappa MCU avengers weak version of comic counter part

[@DirtyDev]

@@him4427no nappa would wash most of these mcu characters because their speed is wildly inconsistent

[@Dadoswim2]

Once you did the scouter would pick up the infinity stones I realized this whole thing would be as pull

[@allyourbase2010]

I feel like ignoring that Strange would still have the time stone here, that Thor and co would still have the power stone, and that vision would still have the mind stone is doing them a disservice. Between those three tools, up against brute force fighters, they are absolutely going to find some openings, and the mind stone could even be an instant win if they figure out how to use it.

[@alexandrosandreou8585]

If they couldn't beat Thanos with it they ain't doing shit to nappa and vegeta

[@dylanpartyka4162]

I was thinking that maybe they could hold their own against the base saiyans but I kinda forgot Goku was dodging light speed attacks at like 9

[@WaveForceful]

Raditz would be a challenge for them. Remember, Thanos uses the power zone to throw chucks of a moons surface at stark. Piccolo at the start of Z casually one shots the moon in a mid training arc. Huge difference here.

[@TOT3N]

An interesting point about Nappa is that when Goku fully powered up to over 8000, Nappa managed to use his own power up technique to attempt to catch up and keep even pacing with Goku even in his heightened level of power. While Nappa wasn't abled to match him (Nor have the same level of martial arts familiarity) I would estimate that his power level increased to something like 6,500 - 7000 in terms of full combat ability.

[@Poooppoop22]

Let’s not forget nappa can also turn into a monkey

[@quetzalcoatl1013]

I would argue that Nappa could only reach that level of power through zenkai boosts throughout the battle. Remember Saiyans become more powerful as they fight, with massive boosts coming if they survive the battle. Nappa could only step up to Goku after fighting the Z fighters. Even in the MCU, I think Nappa is slightly lowballed here because of this.

[@Phantom-kc9ly]

​@@quetzalcoatl1013i mean, this is a inconsistency with the story. Because zenkai boosts werent a thing in the story yet

[@TheMeriot1]

No I don't think they're really looking at it Vegeta said it was over 9000 + Goku continued powering up for a good minute after that so it kept rising I believe Napa's ultimate power level is around thirteen to fifteen thousand. We know that Goku and Vegeta's power level is at Max are around 25 to 31.

[@mikee9654]

@@Phantom-kc9ly I’m more of the thought that the explanation/ phrase “Zenkai Boost” wasn’t coined until early Namek Saga. Zenkais have actually always existed since kid Goku; we just never had the terminology.

[@thomziq]

This is a great premise for a movie:D we just have to wait a milion years for copyright to expire :P

[@sivartfarmer]

You should do comic comparisons with dragon ball characters. Like, I'm legit curious if modern Hulk with all his world breaker and green door shit could step up to Cell.

[@gdmewmewgod6653]

I genuinely thought raditz would wash the avengers, but to hear they can get passed Nappa is surprising

[@fiddlesticks7245]

He's being incredibly generous to the Avengers

[@obamna5923]

​@@fiddlesticks7245Even that's an understatement.

[@Mr_Lucas]

The only scenario the avengers could win is if they actually collected all the infinity stones and destroyed the saiyans before they even arrived which i feel is alot more likely. A straight fight even with the infinity stones i still believe vegeta just shows more raw power and speed. I feel like this is a path that should have been explored as many people would be open to destroying the threat before its even come to be

[@Therandomuser-dc8fv]

There’s also nothing stopping the Avengers from intercepting Vegeta and Nappa before they even arrive on earth. With a year to prepare, Tony Stark could set up satellites, detecting when the Saiyan Pods begin to approach Earth, and prepare an entire fleet of ships to intercept two dinky pods.

[@Mr_Lucas]

@@Therandomuser-dc8fv i dont think that would work especially against the saiyans who tank planet busting attacks i dont think any ship would really hurt them especially vegeta as if its close enough to earth’s atmosphere all it would do it get vegeta to see the moon and just rampage i still think the only chance is collecting the infinity stones and just erasing them or teleporting them in the middle of space

[@gotzmoneywayne8216]

What is the saying get cocky and let strange attack them, and Strange does a soul Punch and traps the soul in the mirror dimension. Or he opens a portal to male them endlessly fall, just like he did to Loki

[@mumenrider1908]

@@gotzmoneywayne8216well it would just really ruin it just like how strange didnt use those two moves at all agaisnt thanos

[@Mr_Lucas]

@@gotzmoneywayne8216 saiyans can fly so falling wouldn’t work and strange just isnt fast enough to get them with that but lets assume he is as explained in the video saiyans can break through magic with just physical power + it probably wouldn’t work anyway as he could’ve done this with thanos or wanda but didnt for a very good reason as it would’ve failed

[@drzooland8902]

Lol people downplaying Raditz so much. Ironman keeping up with him....wow no way Ironman or any avenger could see him move at all. Goku and Piccolo could hardly see him. So an ordinary man? Raditz would cut him in half, even Thor doesn't really have a chance. Comic Thor maybe but MCU has no way. Strange too has no way to react to Raditz lightspeed movement.

[@stillbrian9448]

The crossover we didn't know we needed, but the crossover we deserve

[@SylarSkain]

It probably wouldve been a good note to add that Nappa has an attack that can wipe out an entire city

[@REDACTED887]

He could do it to a planet if he wanted

[@Vegangod89]

But he wouldn’t want to risk destroying any of the stones in this scenario

[@jdubs283]

Planet busting power level in the DBZ universe is like a soft 1000. Casual Radditz, at a 1200 PL, could pop a planet without effort. Radditz is the, literal, weakest villain in the whole franchise.

[@Phantom-kc9ly]

​@@jdubs283aside from, you know, all yhe villains in early dragonball

[@kievonJSmoothSoul]

@@jdubs283 nah... planet busting is at least Nappa 4000/5000 The moon is way smaller then earth.

[@brandonteppelin6353]

The ultimate hack the avengers have is not the Time stone, but Visions Mind stone. If used properly, it could have mind wiped or controlled the Saiyajins. But Vision never seems to have used it for any of its true potential. Ever.

[@miyahdon7057]

true, wish we could see more of the comic version of his mind stone.

[@snapsterlp1877]

Unlikely. Babidi tried with Vegeta. Only, he allowed himself to be manipulated for the power boost. He broke out through his ego.

[@brandonteppelin6353]

@@snapsterlp1877 Again, magic. Not a fundamental force of the Universe. While I'll admit that the ki users can no sell magic powers, especially mind control, a power that goes through that ability to resist it, ie the Mind itself And isn't magic, is more than a possibility. They might even be able to convince the Saiyajin themselves that they don't want to conquer Earth.

[@thewizardofgaming2623]

@@snapsterlp1877the only difference is the mind stone is higher dimensional power and outscales them entirely they get mind controlled instantly

[@OldManTastic]

Vision can also just go intangible. They'd never even be able to damage him if they didn't sneak up on him first

[@TyranntX]

Do a Frieza invasion next?

[@KayronTheFifth]

I'd say their best chance is Tony/Strange developing some tech to hit the Saiyans en route to Earth. They're in their pods and 'powered down' moving on a predictable path at what might be faster than light, but is kind of hand-waved. Strange could lock them in a time prison or something or Tony could go wild with some super laser at the pods and hope it takes one of them down. Would it do anything? With the saiyans powered down, maybe, because we haven't seen them tear through dimensions at this point in the story yet. We need to wait for SSJ3 Gotenks/Super Buu for that large of a feat.

[@blinkooyeah29]

The Saiyan don't breath in space so a láser beam that take her space ship in way is an option

[@KayronTheFifth]

@@blinkooyeah29 It should be, but the series has a rather relaxed attitude on that rule. Battle of the Gods Goku fought in space with no issue and, more pertinantly, Vegeta and Nappa stood outside their spaceships without powering up to blow up the bug planet en route to Earth (can't remember if that's cannon or just a show thing).