Could Tien Defeat The Androids With The Tribeam?

[@paddyspoint2]

I really admire Tien for standing up against semi-perfect Cell to create a window for 18 to escape. Kudos to Torlyama for giving Tien this moment to shine.

[@daevidpp445]

that and dragonball was the most respect tien ever got

[@gloobark]

he should've killed 18

[@davidcampos2615]

After that, he never let Tien do anything cool. The next significant action from Tien is to sacrifice himself for a small stall in Buu Saga. Next was getting his ass beat in the Universe Survival Saga.

[@GothicSnowLeopard]

its part of what gives OG Dragon Ball its charm, back when every character was accounted for, even my friend calls Z "The Goku Show"

[@_P2M_]

If Tien had learned the Kaio-Ken from King Kai and then pulled off this technique, he would've been a force to be reckoned with.

[@Tik-TokNoRelation]

And also so very dead😂

[@justinarzola4584]

He would simultaneously be the strongest and weakest since the tri beam with the kaio ken stacked on top would kill him instantly after a first or second try if he goes to the higher times of kaio ken like times 40 or 50.

[@_9T9T1_]

his flame would burn bright but short

[@jerkface38]

​@justinarzola4584 he wouldn't even be able to withstand a x5 lmao

[@lightningandodinify]

the sheer amount of genki unleashed by that 😭

[@PlagueOfGripes]

If it's working by drawing on his own genki to interweave with his ordinary ki or act as a... capacitor, I guess, it makes me wonder how effective it would be if he could use God ki. A, uh... "kaikoho" would not only hit a lot harder, but be more surprising and have less of a problem with stability. But Tien isn't allowed to improve these days, so.

[@davidcampos2615]

God Ki is only allowed to be used sometimes and it's only allowed to be strong sometimes. Goku and Vegeta unlock these divine versions of their already universe shattering forms but Android 17 was a park ranger for a good while so he is a Super Saiyan Blue equivalent. 👍 Power scaling at its finest.

[@mikek7660]

"Kaikoho" would be amazing to see

[@michaelwilburn5582]

I had never thought of this before, despite being Tien vs semi perfect cell being one of my favorite DBZ moments. Great analysis!

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

Stopping Buutenk's blast for Tien is ENORMOUS.

[@ReeceHoward06]

THIS!!!!

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

@@ReeceHoward06 fr fr even if it's a "casual" blast. It's a casual blast of a SS3 level fighter. It's as if Tien could cancel the beam that killed Trunsk at the end of the Cell Saga... It's giagantic. Proving by this fact that Tien, is indeed, the strongest human fighter in the series.

[@ReeceHoward06]

@@ZERARCHIVE2023 Shiiiit...Buutenks is way past a Ss3 level fighter. That makes it even more impressive. To be fair, Tien had probably improved the technique that much by the time Buu came around. Unlikely he could push it that far for Perfect Cell.

[@pablonotpicasso7520]

​@@ZERARCHIVE2023buutenks is more than SS3 level... he managed to pull the shit out of Ultimate Gohan

[@alleng4487]

He must've hella mastered the tri beam ,cause comparing it to how he fired it in the buu saga vs the cell saga in the buu saga it looked like it was less straining on him

[@jerseyeddcase]

Not sure why but I have a real soft spot for Tien and loved it when he had his moments to shine in DBZ. He was done absolutely dirty in Super. I pray he gets some sort of boost or form change. I saw a really good idea that his third eye fully opens and he becomes 'enlightened' and accesses some mystical ability!

[@KobraDaWolf]

I don't understand why this hasn't been done yet. I thought that might have been the point of even having it

[@ak47dragunov]

All of the non-Saiyans were turned into a laughingstock in Super. DBS is absolutely awful

[@Rikoyasha15]

Super did everyone dirty, Tein is the most dedicated to training out of the other humans with less family obligations/distractions from training as the others

[@DovahFett]

He last longer than Krillin, who should have been stronger than him. He also got eliminated while eliminating someone, which is badass. That’s hardly being done dirty. Krillin was done dirty.

[@jerseyeddcase]

@@DovahFett I sort of agree that Krillin was done dirty, but at least he had his training battle with Goku before the tournament. Also, saying that Tien was done less dirty than Krillin is an irrelevant counter argument to the fact that Tien was done dirty. Tien being done dirty is irrelevant to anything else which happens

[@GeteMachine]

If the Tri-Beam runs on Genki, what if Tien learned the spirit bomb and could draw Genki from others around him to boost his own attack with that energy. That would be insane.

[@grennbalze]

He’d be like an artillery cannon! Love it

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

And then stack the Kaio-Ken on top of that. Cell would not be having a good day.

[@MiniLuigiMighty5]

​@@jsb6975.ah.crapbasketsHe'd give Cell Max a run for his money with God Ki.

[@ramaziotivegito6853]

If semiperfect Cell had some injuries, then all weaker enemies will be seriously injured or outright obliterated. Imagine Frieza and his had, BAM and gone. Tien, the ONE BEAM MAN!

[@aceclover758]

Cell was not injured at all or hurt. It just prevented him from moving due to the recoil and power of the blast

[@mumenrider1908]

@@aceclover758 did you not watch the video? He explained exactly why semi perfect cell was damaged

[@shoken4421]

@mumenrider1908 Cell was mildly damaged ,cell literally got out of the pit and didn't even acknowledge that tein hit him ,he was still fixated on 18. That's how much damage tein did . Where as if you take cells fight with Vegeta he got the brakes beat off of him and even powered up during their fight.

[@betterthanemril988]

@@mumenrider1908a few bruise marks that are barely visible doesn’t mean he damaged cell. He was not hurt, he could still move like if it never happened at all. That’s like saying semi perfect cell damaged super Vegeta because the free punch gave him a bloody lip.

[@goobeeeer]

@@betterthanemril988 I mean, it is a very mild form of damage, even if miniscule at best, although even with that you could still out it above say, android sixteens rocket punch due to the fact it did even less "damage" then the try beam

[@NoAliasisneeded]

This was a top 10 moment in the entire Z series. I remember watching that getting mad hyped. That scene paired with the Bruce Faulconer score was cinema 😗🤌🏿

[@magnum567134]

I'm wondering how devastating tri-beam would be if someone like Goku used it, which I'm sure he'd easily be able to learn. Seems like the output is WAY more powerful than what the user should be capable of normally

[@spirttomb]

This is the best question I've never even thought of or heard discussed before. You're a legend

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Hearing Tien Shinhan Say he failed again against Nappa is so sad

[@DovahFett]

Nappa was blowing up entire cities with his fingers. A classic DB character like Tien losing to someone like that is hardly something to be ashamed of.

[@LostBoy1920]

His stand against semi-perfect Cell makes it clear he would've obliterated 17 and 18 with it. Enough said

[@ramaziotivegito6853]

And let's not talk about Frieza and his dad. Just smears on the floor.

[@LostBoy1920]

​@@ramaziotivegito6853hell even considering his feat in the Buu Saga, Buu Saga Tien might be able to kill Perfect Cell with his Tribeam

[@MrBlock-qe7hi]

I guess the only argument then is why didn’t he aim for 18

[@MrSpacelyy]

​@@MrBlock-qe7hihis boner decided that. Just like krillin's boner did stop him pushing the button.

[@Soda-iv2hz]

💀💀

[@documentcamera8807]

Now that I think about it it's definitely possible. Android 16 couldn't even make SP Cell move but Tien pushed him back. 16's way above the other 2 so it is actually reasonable.

[@serious409]

Sp is super perfect .

[@AndrewAce.]

@@serious409 Then what's Semi-Perfect?

[@MoonEarthSaturn]

@@AndrewAce. I would assume smp

[@AndrewAce.]

@@MoonEarthSaturn Imp, Smp, P, SP... fair enough...

[@Btobebone]

fun fact, there was a dbz game on the snes that roughly used a rock paper sciscors form of gameplay in the fights. if you do really well on parts there are some slight deviations from the cannon story. one of the changes is tien's tri beam actually taking out nappa

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

I don't think he could have defeated the androids but I do think Tiens Neo Tri-Beam would have done substantial damage especially if he could manage to keep them done even with the energy shields❤️❤️

[@bellowingsilence]

You just brought something kind of funny about Tien’s tri-beam variants in the video games to my attention here, indirectly. In most of the games where the Neo- variant is present, it’s treated as like… one of his ultimate attacks, and the regular Tri-beam tends to be a regular finisher or medium-super move at most. But the reality is that the regular Tri-beam is really more of an ultimate attack, and the “neo” version is really like the spammable version they have him use more repeatably in regular combat. The games almost always have them backwards in how they function.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

I agree that the attack could do some severe damage to the androids, but I don't believe Tien has the necessary amount of life force to continue the move long enough to destroy/defeat them. I recall in your 16 vs. Imperfect Cell video that you mentioned how we don't know how much damage the Hell's Flash technique did to Cell because it blasted the monster into a giant crater. He was offscreen for a few minutes/panels if you're reading the manga, but he appeared to be unharmed when he reappeared behind 17 to absorb him. For all we know, he could've been banged up pretty badly. However, he used his regeneration abilities to recover before sneaking up on 17. One thing to remember is when 17 & 18 made it clear that he had beaten the bug, 16 screamed at them that the attack was NOT enough to destroy Cell and that they should leave immediately. Then we have the Light Grenade, similar to Hell's Flash; the attack connected with Cell. HOWEVER, Cell was underwater after taking the blast. Not only that, he was surrounded by his aura when he reemerged (unharmed) and blasted Piccolo. It is POSSIBLE that the attack damaged him, but he regenerated offscreen. I guess one thing we could use to say that Cell KNEW he wouldn't be harmed by the blast was the fact that he willingly walked into it as Piccolo charged/fired the attack. The Neo-Tri Beam PROBABLY would've inflicted more damage on Imperfect Cell than even the Light Grenade!

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

Ah KZbin randomly unsubscribed me from your channel sometime in the past few days. I've always heard about that happening but had never experienced it til now. Lame but, resubscribed at least👍🏻

[@armyparty]

Let's don't forget. Tien couldn't sense the power of the android. He didn't use the tri-beam against the androids because he had no idea how powerful they really were. Tien could sense the power of Cell. I think this is a huge reason. P.s.: The androids infinite energy and ability not to be sensed made them much more impressive then Cell. That was a flaw.

[@sp4rtan148]

Idk man, when a dude from the future says even the Saiyans get wiped by the androids, I'm not holding back at all. All out ki-ko-ho from the start.

[@censoredterminalautism4073]

Yeah, with some caveats. Even if didn't one-shot them , they wouldn't be able to escape, and the damage would add up. If it held back Cell, they would definitely take a good amount of damage from each hit. The only reason for it not to work would be that Tenshinhan would have to either hit both of them at once and stunlock them to death, or be able to one-shot each one of them individually so the other one can't interrupt. Maybe 17's barrier would be a problem too, though I don't know, it may just break right through that. Also worth mentioning that Future Tenshinhan specifically possibly wouldn't even have this stronger version because he probably didn't train as hard, and maybe didn't upgrade it. Cell is a different case, though, because he has the power of plot convenience (maybe he got that from his Saiyan cells too), so he could regenerate from one cell, 100 times stronger, and just win anyway.

[@yaboityler2617]

Tien hiding that God Ki

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content man!😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤

[@DrBacalex]

So, what would’ve happened if Piccolo and Tien fought 17 and 18? They could’ve potentially won..

[@AndrewAce.]

And even Krillin with his Destructo. Lmao, they could have pulled it off if they went in with the resolve.

[@DrBacalex]

@@AndrewAce. I think they were scared of the androids since they were supposed to be killed by them.

[@AndrewAce.]

@@DrBacalex Yeah, the Tri Beam thing was last ditch. I don't think even Tien knew how well it would work...

[@justinarzola4584]

​@@DrBacalexafter what happened when they tried tag teaming 17 and it failed they probably didn't want to repeat that as well as tien not having a major power boost like piccolo did when he fused with kami.

[@astrostar49]

Thanks for making this video. The Ki Ko Ho is my favorite technique in the series, and Tenshinhan is my favorite character.

[@w8nbleed5]

Always found it weird that his hand forms a triangle but the blast makes a square hole

[@lavuntecolquitt]

You MEVER fail my dude and ANY love for my dude Tien is ALWAYS welcomed. Ppl sleep on how powerful he is

[@kalevipoeg6916]

To make Tien relevant again all he needs is an even newer version of this...and to learn kaioken. With the insane - apparently thousands of times the power level of the user - multipliers on that move COMBINED with the multipliers behind a kaioken x20, and if he somehow trained with Whis and gained some level of divine ki ability to bolster that even more - then even without him being a saiyan, that move in particular could at LEAST serve as a way to pin a big bad enemy down long enough for Goku and Vegeta or Gohan to prepare some attack, fuse, whatever they needed to do. I mean, hell, his solar flare is STILL one of the most useful moves in all of Dragonball when followed up by a destructo disc - which Krillin COULD have used when he blinded Frieza on Namek and just flew away - I always wondered, what if he'd used solar flare and instead of flying away IMMEDIATELY launched a disc right through his mid-section? Frieza's reign would have ended right there. And Tien pioneered solar flare / taioken. So HERE's an idea: what if Tien learned how to basically manipulate the energy he outputs in the neo tri-beam in such a way that he creates a network of incredible powerful and sharp energy BLADES? Then with an enemy like Cell, it could dice him into cubes, and it'd be incredibly lethal against anyone not able to regenerate or who wasn't SO powerful as to overwhelm even that (like how SSJ2 Gohan caught Cell's destructo discs, which shocked everyone). Or, what if he taught the technique to someone in a whole different universe of power, like Vegeta? Not that he WOULD, or Vegeta would ever agree to be taught by such a person (by the way, when's the last time Tien and Vegeta actually exchanged words? The mecha Frieza arc?) but if he DID...in the hands of Ulra Ego Vegeta, lacing it with destruction god ki, that move could probaby kill Beerus and even hurt Whis, given how many times beyond its own user it IS in power.

[@quotivation47]

Oh! This never crossed my mind! Great video as always!

[@EpicJones1]

Thanks for the video! Awesome thumbnail!

[@Dirik619]

I think Tien never used Neo Tri Beam sooner because he had Super Sayans and Super Namekian to rely on. But once Vegeta and Trunks were gone, Goku useless, Picoolo defeated, only then Tien stepped in.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

Not sure if this happened in the manga or not, but Tien went to train after getting defeated by 17 in the anime. He picked up his little buddy from Roshi's island to get some workouts in before he popped up again during the Piccolo/17 vs. Cell battle. I wonder if he developed the Neo-Tri Beam only after the Android beating because that could explain why he didn't use it when Vegeta and the others were getting curb stomped by the Android pair.

[@blaketindle4703]

Good point!

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

@@deckzone3000 seriously, asking if someone can develop a new move in 3-4 days in this universe despite people growing 100s or 10000000s of times stronger in a day haha Tien has quite the arsenal and I'm sure he evolved the Tri Beam on his own in not a lot of time

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

@@deckzone3000 Krillin got that 'potential unleashed' like power up in the two parter where he and Goku got some 'plants' for Roshi and let's not even get started on how much power various characters during the T.O.P. got in 45 mins or less.

[@ren3gadeviews274]

Love the respect on Tien name. He always been one of my favorites!

[@jason15212]

I think Tien could’ve killed anybody weaker than Cell with that Neo Tri Beam. I’m interested to know how powerful you think the humans got by the time the androids arrived.

[@docstr8nine778]

Im glad u answered this, thank you!

[@Est_1.997]

It is similar to vegetas final attonment any attack that takes life force has a HUGE multiplier

[@DovahFett]

It also never works. Final Atonement failed to kill Buu despite the massive amount of energy. Likewise Tien failed to do more than delay Cell.

[@futureDreamer4]

Tien: TRI BEEEEAAAMMM! Cell: WAIT THAT'S A SQUARE! Tien: NEO TRI BEAAAAMMMM!!! Cell: IT'S STILL A SQUAREEEEEEEE!!!!!!

[@Yog-Speggoth]

Another great topic - and that moment where Tien holds back Cell is a GOAT haha

[@LamunesADV]

By power alone, possibly. But the Kikoho, even not as severe as the GenkiDama or Makankosappo, is not a quick move. Everytime he used it was against distracted enemies (or Goku). Never on a front to front combat. I think he takes that into consideration on why not using it against the Androids.

[@khumokwezimashapa2245]

You should do a video about which attack highest the highest multiplier. I always believe The Ki Ko Ho has the highest

[@SleepingTroubles]

17 could maybe use the barrier and just wait with infinite energy powering it until tien is tired, but he could also be hit and damaged before doing that and not be able to activate it anymore, so it would depend how smart and blood shoted to kill tien was to kill it in the first surprise hit. 18 and 16 though would probably be in more trouble

[@AngryLooksmaxxer]

The simple answer is HELL NO The Tri Beam didn't do any damage to Cell it just pushed him back, the Tri Beam would not have done any significant damage to the Androids. Tien scales no where near the Androids even with the Neo Tri Beam.

[@stevenhurtado2297]

Someone please tell me how Krillin was supposed to be stronger than Tien? There’s no fricking way.

[@aleksplavcev8044]

If Krilin hits Tien with a kenzan first he wins but if Tien uses the kikoho before its over

[@stevenhurtado2297]

@@aleksplavcev8044 it takes longer for Krillen to set up his move

[@aleksplavcev8044]

@@stevenhurtado2297 not correct Tien needs more time to prepare a Kikoho But even if thry dont use their best attacks I think that Tien is stronger

[@AndroidMaxine]

I was coming into this video thinking 'not a chance', but actually you've got a really compelling argument here, I'm convinced he could have at least badly injured 17 or 18 with the technique, if not outright killed them. as for why he didn't use it on them? likely as you said the potential of collateral damage, but also he never had a clear moment when the androids were preoccupied with something like Semi Perfect Cell was.

[@Dirik619]

As a Tien fan, its always fun to think about how in the moment of Tien vs Cell, Tien was the strongest Z-Fighter. Stronger than Super Piccolo, Super Sayan Goku, and stronger than both Trunks and Vegeta (pre chamber)

[@hitkid2456]

It's sad to think how much of his lifespan might have been lost in exchange however. But he definitely played his part, and it's terrifying to think what Cell would have done then and there once complete.

[@rodjilius]

I'm curious why Goku didn't copy the tri beam technique... He could've killed semi perfect cell

[@cosmosofinfinity]

It's like a Special Beam Cannon you don't even really have to charge, AND spammable, each one counting as multiple kamehamehas

[@ak47dragunov]

Sad to think that the Neo Tri Beam vs Cell was the last great moment for any of the human characters

[@DovahFett]

Yamaha won that baseball game.

[@HarryJCLK]

I have a theory. I think the reason he didn't use it is because the writers didn't write it in the story

[@10eightyprince]

If it could kill the androids,, why didn’t he use it on 18 instead of stalling for her to escape 🤷🏾‍♂️ I can’t logically wrap my mind around it

[@MegaMachiOnline]

Tien & Krillin: _can't blow up gero's door_ Base Vegeta: YEET

[@CamSTL]

Heel Tien: Someone to take seriously. Total badass Babyface Tien: Still a badass. Could solo a lot of people in other Animes. But total jobber to the stars in DB universe after the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai.

[@julianbashir8277]

Amazing video. I have left talking and watching DB. I made this arguement 7 years ago

[@SuperStarTidus18]

You look like Loveless from Wild, Wild West

[@mythicalxfightsmugen]

Amazing that you made this! I wondered myself if Tien could hold semi perfect cell why would he not be able to hurt android 17…? But ive recently noticed that kaioken might be a precursor to new form/techniques, both super saiyan and ultra instinct were sequal form/techniques?

[@isaaccuevas1717]

If the tri beam can even get semiperfect cell to react to it,someone stronger the imperfect cell,whos stronger then 16,with 17 and 18 being WEAKER then that.the gap in power to to crazy to have them not die

[@chimuoma390]

It's An OHKO Move Due To a Glitch In Advanced Adventure!Have You Tried It?!

[@ShadeamusPrime]

this leads to another question what if tenshinhan taught goku the kikoho and goku used it against freeza when he used his kioken times 20 on him

[@childofembers]

If tien believed he could have defeated the androids he would have attempted to. No chance he would allow chiaotzu to be killed again (yes chiaotzu was left out of the initial fight because it was too dangerous for him, but as we saw leaving the androids alive allowed them to travel to Roshi's place where they could have killed everyone there). When gero is at the lab would have been the time for tien to bust out the neo tri beam if he really could destroy the androids, possibly all of them according to LSM. Also, I will accept that semi-perfect cell was damaged, but that makes me wonder why didn't he attack imperfect cell after piccolo was thrown to the ocean? Instead, he let someone else step in and risked failure, and failure sure happened (cell absorbs 17). And bringing up toriyama not considering tien defeating an android...I think it's more likely he just pulled the cell moment out of his "hat" because all the other heroes were defeated, unavailable, or distracted. It was more about convenience in my opinion. I enjoy your videos as discussion starters, I just don't agree with the take this time. Keep up the good work 👍

[@ghostwriter1440]

Interesting stuff, good job m8

[@Shayster-_-]

dope vid mike, keep it up G

[@StareachValcin]

I honestly don't know if Tien could have won with the tri-beam cannon against the androids. While the tri-beam was impressive enough to hold back semi perfect Cell, it still didn't do lasting damage to Cell, and did more damage to Tien by shortening his own life span. The tri-beam seems more like a technique of last resort, rather than a technique that should be used at the start, and it doesn't necessarily work against opponents that are significance stronger.

[@justinarzola4584]

I think he would be able to take out all of them.

[@imnot_the1229]

Yea it seem like all his tri beam did was hold cell down 😂 but as soon as it was over cell came up like nothing happen so his tri beam may give the androids some scratches but I doubt it'll take them out completely if it was that simple he would have done it😂

[@TresBS1]

​@@imnot_the1229 Cell getting scratched and knocked back actually shows how powerful the attack is. If it was that weak, Cell wouldn't have struggled at all and plowed right through it without so much as scratch, like has been demonstrated multiple times throughout the series. Did it do a lot of damage to Cell? No. But it inconvenienced the HELL out of him, which is impressive given that Cell was magnitudes stronger than him. Semi-Perfect Cell >> Imperfect Cell (Fight with 16) > Kami Fused Piccolo = Android 17 > Super Saiyan Vegeta > Piccolo (No Kami) > Tien Based off of that, I believe that Tien could take out the androids. As for why he didn't do it before? Because Tien had no way of knowing how powerful the Androids are. Why take that risk, if maybe it's not needed?? He only used the Neo Tri-Beam on Cell because there was no other options and he was the only there who could do anything.

[@MrBusrunner]

​@TresBS1 to be fair if you were trying to climb out of a hole and I kept whacking you with a couch cushion you'd find it hard to get out too and it might even bruise you eventually. But let's be honest I'm never going to kill you with it.

[@MrKevin486]

Tien is cool as F and a total badass. He deserved better.

[@elpopman2055]

Impressive Video. It's hilarious that the dragon ball wiki States/Claims That Tien Did No Damage to Cell..Despite The Fact That Semi Perfect Cell Sustain Damage And could not even counter the attacks

[@AceTrainerJason]

No, it isn't consistent with things we learned before, Tien had a power level of 1830 compared to nappa at 4000 in the sayian saga, he used a single all out tri-beam against Nappa and it didn't come close to killing him. Even if you want to say his power has halved from his battle damage it still didn't kill or maim Nappa who DID not guard against the strike and was caught off guard which in dragon ball is shown to consistently lower your durability. So if we say Tiens power level output was still based off or near his max and Nappa being off guard lowered his durability by even a third or more its a piss poor showing for the move. Now yes, the neo tribeam is an upgraded version of the original for sure, but to make the argument that it could kill 17 for example who can low diff a vegeta that is stronger than a goku who trained for three years post Namek who had a power level of 150 million at that time alone doesn't make sense. We don't *know* tiens power level but its pretty fair to say he is significantly weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek. If we said Tien was around 5 million which is a pretty big high ball all things considered. For him to kill Android 17 who's power level would be over a billion at this point if we had numbers to off of would make this new tri beam to even match 17 be over 200 times his power level, and to outright kill him in one shot would have to be around double his power level so over 400 times minimum, also assumes the android doesn't shot their own blast, dodge, or use their barrier. The real answer as to why it held cell back, a cell who was likely well over 1000x more power than Tien, while only lightly injuring a nappa who was a bit over 2x as power as Tien, even if the technique was not as refined is because Tori just wanted to give Tien a moment. Even IF we bought into the idea that the Neo-tribeam, which relies on his life force is somehow over 1000x more efficient at converting that life force in the blast, which since he paced himself instead of using one big shot like Nappa and DIDN'T die means we are now talking about well over 10000x more efficient now, why exactly did he not use it in the future timeline? If those androids were really some amount weaker than the present timeline, then it would work even if tien wasn't as strong as the present timeline since they didn't know about the threat which is somewhat doubtful since Tien is known to not stop training in peace time. I suppose the argument could be made he didn't learn it in that timeline and died before he would had to chance to teach himself but now it feels like the cosmic reaching it would take to get here has been stretched too far. TL;DR No, it wouldn't have worked, just another example of a Tori moment.

[@SJNaka101]

He had to have exhausted cell's regeneration for cell to exit the pit with all that damage.

[@GeekVincent]

I love the Kikoho, For me, I always wondered how much damage a Shin Kikoho would do if Goku would use it. Imagine Goku SSG or SSB using this technique. What could he achieve with this? Imagine him using it against Zamasu or Goku Black or even Jiren. Would love a video about that!

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

I love these what if scenarios.

[@miguelc2164]

Love this question/video I never thought of this attack being able to destroy the androids

[@jett_lea]

I love your videos. You're like a college professor for Dragonball lol

[@stephano2996]

Ki blasts always seemed to exceed regular fighting abilities in dbz. Remember Raditz being around 1,000 and Goku/Piccolo near 300 and Goku's kamehameha made Raditz struggle and Piccolo' sbc pierced him. Vegeta's Final Flash against Perfect Cell. And the list goes on. Fully charged Ki blasts seemed to throw out all logic of power difference in battle however in the end it never seemed to matter. Exept against Raditz but only because he was unable to move. Everyone else just dodges or tanks the attack anyways because theyre in the end just much much faster or bulkier than the person throwing the Ki Blast. So unless someone keeps the androids from moving it wont work. And all they need is 1 small hit on Tien and hes out. Sadly hes got no chance.

[@MA16v3]

Honestly, I think it came down to 1. his inability to gauge just how strong 16, 17, and 18 were, and 2. He knew the desperate situation they were in and felt compelled to do something. Because he could not sense the android's relative strength, but he did see them ravage Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo, and he did probably would not want them caught in the attack in their injured states. It likely came as least a little bit of a surprise to Tien that he could suppress Cell, even if only for a limited time, but being the professional he is, he kept doing it until he could no longer. Also desperation could have forced him to tap even further than he would otherwise normally do, since if Cell became perfect, he's dead anyway.

[@sigiligus]

There are a lot of these little moments that don't make sense in the Cell saga. Biggest one to me is why Trunks as SSJ grade 2 didn't just one-shot 18 so Cell couldn't absorb her, instead of wasting time punching Cell. Trunks had no reason not to kill her, as far as he knew she was still a threat and Krillin was supposed to have killed her anyway. It's not like he wasn't strong enough, either.

[@westonnwaimo4002]

same with when gohan ssj2 was toying with semi perfect cell after he spat out 18. goku, vegeta, and trunks who were miles past semi perfect cell just stood there shocked while goku was yelling at gohan to finish him.

[@LudwigRamirez]

If Zenkai boosts are a Saiyan genetic passive ability, I wonder if Humans could have a genetic affinity for Mystic / Beast training like Gohan. All they'd need to do would be to go to Dende for the 1st Unlock, then go to the Grand Kai for the 2nd.

[@MisterRorschach90]

They need to make the old characters relevant again. Since tien is not a normal human and has mystical backstory elements, he could be given a new form or technique that utilizes his 3rd eye granting him something akin to ultra instinct, or just a power and perception boost. Or what if he was mortally wounded by a destroyer in a way that can’t be revived from, so he gives his 3rd eye to another one of the z warriors. Chiaotzu is one option. It could also be yamcha, giving yamcha the drive to get back to training. They could even start training with Pan and since she will increase in strength so fast, it can be an excuse for any ridiculous strength gains yamcha or chiaotzu makes. Krillin already has grown a lot. He’s literally ssj level at this point. He’s also a goofball so I don’t get why he hasn’t become the great sayiaman 3. I would love to see gohan krillin antics like the old days.

[@HCBailly]

I always found that part of the Cell Saga strange. Given the lack of impact the earthlings have once DBZ starts, I was always under the impression that they hit a permanent ceiling to their power, no matter what training or ability they used. Tien's sacrifice is probably the most use any of them had throughout DBZ, which seemed way more powerful than he should have been able to do. Has a hero's sacrifice ever defeated a bad guy in any Dragon Ball series? It seems to only kill good guys, either way.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

You're right, Chiaozu, Tien, Goku teleporting Cell, Majin Vegeta... were all total wastes

[@lsixty30]

THE glass cannon of DBZ , and it’s 😎

[@Dirik619]

In an alternate universe, Chiotzu would use his magic to hold andoids in place, while Tien vaporized them with Neo Tri Beam

[@hitkid2456]

He might have done a surprise shot when Vegeta got his arm broken. I don't think he actually wanted to kill them tho and just try to save Vegeta. But it was definitely humiliating for him to just get choked out.

[@MisterRorschach90]

If tien was turned into an android or fused with an android, he would be able to spam a neo tribeam on ssj2 levels of base power before the attack multiplier, infinitely. I feel like if a character at tiens power level can hold off a being at semi perfect cells level and do damage, then that same attack at perfect cell levels would be able to take out beings like buu. Maybe even frieza during resurrection f before the gold form.

[@BrianAwesome]

The REAL question should be, could Tien beat Imperfect Cell ?

[@aleksplavcev8044]

And the real answer is : NO... If super saiyans and namekians need more training to beat the main bad guy a character like Tien or Krillin can do nothing

[@hastensavoir7782]

Tien should have brought with him 10 Senzu beans, taking them each point before wearing out.

[@Tophadoodledoo]

This prompts a what-if from me: what if Tien had survived the battle against Vegeta and Nappa?

[@AstralLaVista]

I wanna see a saiyan do the tri-beam cannon

[@socialaccount0000]

Imagine if Tien killed 18 (and possibly 16 due to how injured he was) With 18 dead, Semi Perfect Cell would be enraged and would likely kill Tien before Goku could save him. Regardless, Tien's sacrifice would not be in vain considering Cell would now have zero bargaining chips for when Vegeta begins to thrash him, meaning Vegeta/Trunks would eventually kill Semi Perfect Cell. Meaning Goku lives and everybody else lives besides Tien and 18, who would probably be wished back with the dragonballs anyhow

[@robdenini6972]

The Androids also have the Android Barrier, which Tien saw during piccolo's fight.

[@robins1823]

If Tien had gone for the shot where he would've also hit the Z-fighters, he would've ended Piccolo. So no they wouldn't have been able to use the dragonballs to get them back. (unless we're going for namekian balls). Aside from that he also had no way of knowing what the full power of the androids was, as 18 was seemingly just playing with Vegeta at that time and they had no way of sensing the power of the androids. Would've been a huge risk to assume it would get the job done at that time.

[@kierinsusukaii4745]

The reason why Tien's Tri-Beam stopped Buutenks blast even tho it was a basic ki-blast consider tien didn't powerup tri-beam as well... Is because Tri-beam is more than likely the most powerful ki-based attack of ALL of the Z-fighters... yeah Tien is weaker than the Saiyans but if he was the exact same powerlevel or even half of their powerlevel That Tri-beam can still hurt them BUT if it's the NEO-TRI BEAM.. then yeah they more than likely will be killed by his attack

[@julianbashir8277]

Whoa dude you still making videos!?

[@nostalgialad9467]

I would lime to see a full review of all the attacks, with details like the the structure power speed difficulty ect 😅

[@CipherDVoid]

So the Tri Beam is a technique that deals mental, physical and spiritual damage. Hence tri it is move that overcomes any resistance. Don't forget Ki is metaphysical, but Tien is also psychic

[@MagusCimarron]

17's barrier shield says hi.

[@alexevaldez]

If you remove the idea of the collateral damage. He was just being on character and how Toriyama wrote him asTien originally wanted to do on the saga. "He wanted to test himself" like the others not using the tribeam in the first situation does not allow him to properly test his new skill.

[@dreadrath]

Even if he couldn't have beaten them, he'd certainly have knocked them on their asses. Heck, 17 probably would've complimented him for the effort.

[@Victory-in-YAHUSHA]

When can we expect the Saiyan Arc vs the Frieza Arc video?

[@LSMMIKE]

To be determined. The next entries in the series are coming out next Saturday, July 8th at 1pm est on my channel and Geekdom101.

[@Victory-in-YAHUSHA]

@@LSMMIKE I thank you for taking the time on informing.

[@patg108]

realistically the only being at that point capable of defeating the androids was King Cold (with 1 transformation). That's aside from Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks. After him Mecha Frieza would stand the next most chance from the villains (if they were alive or came a little later and allied)

[@That_Son_Ofa_Itch]

Didn’t Toryiama himself say that the Zfighters who where on kings Kai’s planet can use kai-o ken. They just don’t get benefits from it because human biology doesn’t give them Zenkai to counteract the complete destruction of your body.

[@SRT_DRE]

Do a video of if the Saiyans could’ve defeated the Namekians. Bardock had a power level of around 10k. Nappa was at 4k. Vegeta was at 22k and I think Nail had a power at around 42k . Vegeta was probably the strongest Saiyan even as a child so it’s interesting to know what would’ve happened if the Saiyans invaded Planet Namek.

[@maniacslap1623]

Dodoria clapped Bardock’s whole crew didn’t he? I think the Namekians wack the Saiyans unless Nail fusing with anybody claps all of them. Even after they transform. I wanna see a video about it too lol

[@SRT_DRE]

@@maniacslap1623 I’d also like to see a video if Bardock went to Namek to escape Frieza and got his potential unlocked by Elder Guru. I wonder how’d powerful he’d become and if he’d be able to challenge Frieza’s first form.

[@kiokayx]

bad ass moment ever

[@jordannichols8338]

Great content

[@Rith9789]

Another theory, the tri beam uses energy similar to the spirit bomb.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

Like, raw life force? Because the spirit bomb uses life energy rather than ki blast energy, per se, right?

[@josephwillard9013]

actually the destructo-disc was the most powerful move used during the saiyan saga

[@vnep5743]

If Tien fires it at 18, then I think he only gets one shot. Whether or not he succeeds there, Cell is going to rush him. Say 18 survives, maybe 16 tanks the attack, Cell is going to get his transformation. But, say that Tien is able to repeatedly fire. If the remaining fighters are able to defend Tien for long enough then maybe he succeeds. This could lead Cell to run into the line of fire while 18 is being held down. If 16 doesn't stop him then maybe Cell pulls 18 from the attacks as he would come in at an angle to avoid a direct hit and would try to time it. This all assumes that Vegeta doesn't interfere. Although I think it's more likely that he hovers there calling them fools.