Otaku Evolution Episode 243 - Why the DBZ Dub Sucks

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10 ай бұрын

A special topic video. Dragon Ball Z is one of the most popular anime of all time, but why is the English dub, which does it such an injustice, so popular, too? It's baffling to me. So, in this video, I'll explain why nobody should be ranking the DBZ dub among the great ones, or even the good ones. It's terrible. Bad scripts, voice acting, and music make it intolerable to me.
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@_puduposting 5 ай бұрын

What I hate the most about the DBZ dub discussion is how people defend the funimation version because "in japanese goku sounds like a woman and her voice is annoying", DUDE HAVE YOU HEAR YOUR KRILLIN AND FRIEZA??

@zh7334 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. They always just use that excuse. Every time

@Shazam1998 Ай бұрын

@@zh7334 Isnt the better question why you care so incredibly much about the fact that other people prefer the Dub over the Sub? In what way exactly does it inconvenience you to let people enjoy what they want to enjoy? Why do you call it an "excuse" when it's just them preferring different things than you?

@Stupidness17 Ай бұрын

Krillin I get but frieza is goated

@doodletron65b74 Ай бұрын

Freiza isn't annoying at all and Krillin is nowhere near as annoying as Jap Goku

@zh7334 26 күн бұрын

@@doodletron65b74Freeza's chain smoker wisecracking dub version is the worst thing I've ever heard you 🤡🤡🤡🤡

@Tehutidg07 6 ай бұрын

97 % of the people that don't like the sub haven't even watched it in sub. They complain about goku's voice when in fact they're just too lazy to read.

@Grasstoucher3 5 ай бұрын

Everyone would have liked the sub more if Goku didn't have that terrible voice that makes my ears bleed. I watched dub but I love how More badass Goku was in the sub. I will rewatch the show in sub just to see the differences

@Tehutidg07 5 ай бұрын

@Grasstoucher3 I think Peter Kelamis was the best English goku VA, but Masako Nozawa scream is goated. The way she screamed when gohan did his first kamehameha against cell gives me chills

@TheMasterQuests 2 ай бұрын

The ones that won’t watch it subbed or watch Kai are usually Falcouner fanboys

@gespenst1329 10 ай бұрын

8:34 it also goes into the basic rule of storytelling: “Show, don’t tell”.

@Breakaway-ic5gj 6 ай бұрын

Then why's it called storytelling and not storyshowing

@Tehutidg07 6 ай бұрын

The stench of the old dub remains in the Fandom 💯

@Tehutidg07 6 ай бұрын

This video needs 10 million more views

@lorded3000 Ай бұрын

Fuck no!! His voice is to loud and microphone sounds cheap as fuck.

@gespenst1329 10 ай бұрын

When even the Big Green and Speedy dubs are more accurate a lot of times, you’ve got a problem. The US dub is nothing other than an invalid alternate version, relative to what the series actually is, and it’s nowhere near the level of other accurate dubs from its time. The only good English dubs of DBZ are the Ocean-Pioneer movies (1-3). The company that only got it via nepotism wouldn’t have done a better job than Viz, Pioneer, ADV, AnimEIGO, or any of the other more qualified players out there. If only Harmony Gold didn’t get the license and then sit on it for so long.

@scrubbadubbins4895 8 ай бұрын

DBZ Sub VS Dub videos/debates from older fans are really fascinating to me. My first exposure to DBZ was the shitty widescreen version on DVD when I was 5 years old. On those DVDs the default audio track was the Funimation dub with the Kikuchi Score. I loved the soundtrack and for about 10 years I never even knew there was a separate American Soundtrack outside of the instrumental theme that replaces Cha La Head Cha La in that version of the dub. It's an awfully written version of the scene, but the "hope of the universe" speech feels so hollow with the American soundtrack, while Kikuchi's Genki Dama theme fits that triumphant super hero vibe Funimation was going for when they rewrote the scene. Finding out how much things were changed with Z's Dub script while also finding out that the soundtrack originally was one of the things changed makes it feel like I grew up with a strange in-between of the Japanese and Funimation versions. I should also add that the Kikuchi score was a big reason why I wanted to watch DBZ in Japanese. While the dub is available with the Japanese soundtrack the music is in pretty low quality in certain scenes, and almost every vocal and insert song were removed (With the exceptions of Battle Point Unlimited, Solid State Scouter, and the credits themes). Wanting to rewatch DBZ with a more complete and higher quality soundtrack is half the reason I watched the series in Japanese, and it's my preferred way of watching it now.

@gespenst1329 7 ай бұрын

Although it’s only the broadcast audio that’s really high quality.

@Breakaway-ic5gj 6 ай бұрын

The american music getting more hype instead of the super saiyan aura powerup noise was pretty insane though

@dragozillasaur813 6 ай бұрын

same here with the broadcast audio, same with GT

@crisstoff89 Ай бұрын

The difference between the shows is that the eng dub sounds more like a typical saturday morning cartoon but with more violence while the original sounds like a Kung fu movies x Godzilla and Star Wars. The right way to get into it is to look at it as a "strange vintage release" also the way they talk in the show makes it more serious rather then the "americanized" way of speaking. Vegeta sounding like a '"biker idiot" rather then a noble with a superiority complex, Bulma is almost ok , Gohan is more formal and polite in original which makes his SSJ2 more "rude" when compared , Trunks is also formal and polite

@youtuber-tg1pu 26 күн бұрын

The dub and the sub are two completely different shows, it's why the Western audience has an entire different perception to the series than the Japanese and Eastern audiences do.

@OmegaRockman 10 ай бұрын

OH BOY HERE WE GO

@mylesmohammed901 Күн бұрын

there's a reason a lot of the games that followed the Z story is accurate to JP version and not the funi dub version cus the og dub sucked. even the English VAs thought it was bad THANK U FOR TALKING ABOUT THE SSJ2 TRANSFORMATION It's my fav moment too, and while i like the narrator at the end better than Kai and the pacing was better than Kai's sped up version, The inner monologue made no sense and was really stupid because Gohan and 16 NEVER FUCKING INTERACTED BEFORE. Unlike Kakarot where they had a few gameplay scenes or whatever that was added in but even that was a nothing burger. so that inner monologue of Gohan's wasn't earned and should've been silent. I'm glad the Kai version kept it silent

@mateusgp9849 10 күн бұрын

Let's make an analogy: hot dogs are my favorite food, but I can't deny that they're of poor quality, especially the sausage, and I don't even get mad when people say they're bad or rubbish, because I know that and I like it better that way... I don't know how people don't understand things, the dubbing is terrible, but that doesn't mean you can't like it or think it's better, but you can't deny that it's terrible.

@vykuntapufangtxpreet9546 5 ай бұрын

Please Do This With *OG* & *GT*

@otakuevolution2131 5 ай бұрын

OG's dub is tolerable. GT's dub requires me to rewatch GT, and I'm not putting myself through that.

@vykuntapufangtxpreet9546 7 ай бұрын

Great Video 👍 Edit :- *DRAGON* *BALL* *Z* : *DEAD* *ZONE,* *DRAGON* *BALL* *Z* : *THE* *WORLD’s* *STRONGEST,* *DRAGON* *BALL* *Z:* *THE* *TREE* *OF* *MIGHT* *ENGLISH* Dubs By *PIONEER* Entertainment With *OCEAN* Cast Is Considered To Be Best *DB* Dubs. Maybe Because It Had Accurate Scripts, Uncensored (Home Video), & Kept The Original *JAPANESE* Score.

@dwainsimmons3447 7 ай бұрын

Kai is better than

@vykuntapufangtxpreet9546 5 ай бұрын

@@dwainsimmons3447👍

@erikcortez9675 6 ай бұрын

I’m not saying u wrong but ur voice needa do some push ups

@orlandoacosta2631 2 ай бұрын

Im glad someone finally pointed out how stupid Vegeta being forced into violence and serivng frieza is. The saiyanz were already serving fireza and were blood-thursty murderers to begin with. Frieza forcing vegeta into being a cold blooded murderer is a gigantic plot hole

@Shazam1998 Ай бұрын

You can make up tons of reasons as to why people prefer the Dub but at the end of the day the only truth is that certain people prefer certain things different. Its called an opinion. Which judging by the comments seems to not be something that a lot of you understand.

@zh7334 6 ай бұрын

Sabat is still a horrible actor. Does not fit vegeta or piccolo at all and never will. His vegeta sounds like he's gargling

@Tehutidg07 6 ай бұрын

Brian Drummond is the real Vegeta

@zh7334 6 ай бұрын

@Tehutidg07 I think ryo horikawa is the best, especially in original DBZ. But Drummond is better than sabat. I think both are too raspy but Drummond's voice is a lot more unique and fitting. Sabat's generic trucker voice does not fit vegeta or piccolo. How do you look at vegeta, a buff midget prince and think he should have a super deep voice? Drummond got the scheming aspect right, as did Horikawa. But Horikawa was the only one to actually make him sound princely. Sabat does neither and is so miscast.

@Tehutidg07 6 ай бұрын

@@zh7334 I agree with everything you just said

@zh7334 6 ай бұрын

@Tehutidg07 sabat was just some random guy hired to impersonate the ocean dub actor just like the rest of the funimation cast. A few have improved but the vast majority will always just be cheap knockoffs

@the-aspiring-creator4249 3 ай бұрын

He got much better with time I'd say. His old Vegeta really has this problem of sounding stiff, like he's maintaining this voice more than he's acting. With Kai, he keeps the gruff scratchiness but the acting is much more natural.

@SpinosaurusTheProudSocialist 4 ай бұрын

Good video, in the dub Goku is pretty much just a Superman ripoff. In the Japanese and the Manga Goku is a more complex character and even makes some questionable moral decisions like letting Vegeta live and giving Cell a Sensu Bean. Thankfully the Funimation cast got to redeam themselves with a much more faithful dub in Kai's dub.

@Stupidness17 Ай бұрын

A superman ripoff? Can super man go any of the super saiyan transformations? And goku in z ( which is where they got it right btw) had been sent to earth to takeover the planet and I don’t see Superman training to go to the next level my dude:)

@Christopher01906 7 күн бұрын

I just prefer the iconic voices.

@otakuevolution2131 6 күн бұрын

There are no more iconic voices than the Japanese ones.

@Christopher01906 6 күн бұрын

@@otakuevolution2131 not to the world, francis lookalike

@otakuevolution2131 6 күн бұрын

@@Christopher01906 Actually, yes, to the world. The Japanese cast is more iconic in the world, by far. The US isn't the whole world.

@Christopher01906 6 күн бұрын

@@otakuevolution2131 okay francis lookalike

@zh7334 2 күн бұрын

The dub voices mean nothing to me. Only to Americans. For me the Japanese actors will always be iconic.

@dwainsimmons3447 10 ай бұрын

DBZ dub has been great.

@zh7334 6 ай бұрын

You're a comedian

@Tehutidg07 6 ай бұрын

I know a good therapist

@EpicGames-hd4ug 6 ай бұрын

LMAOOOO @@Tehutidg07

@MyxzSZN 3 ай бұрын

hating on the rock music for the movies is crazy. That shit made almost every fight sounds so much better.

@otakuevolution2131 3 ай бұрын

It made it look like a shitty early aughts AMV.

@MyxzSZN 3 ай бұрын

@@otakuevolution2131 I know that but the cooler movie was cooking bro especially when he transformed

@MyxzSZN 3 ай бұрын

@@otakuevolution2131 but people have different taste though

@zh7334 3 ай бұрын

It was terrible

@the-aspiring-creator4249 3 ай бұрын

I would agree in the sense that without it, more attention is called to how bad the movies are in general but... it's still super unfitting. I think aside from like the one use of Deftones in the first Coola film most of the songs are not used well.