CPU & GPU Scaling Benchmark, Core i3-13100 vs. Ryzen 5 5600: Sub $150 Battle

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Nvidia Driver Overhead [Part 1]: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH2oen2eqtOUjZo Nvidia Driver Overhead [Part 2]: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWGWl62pjrqBerc

[@KeithZim]

I believe this is where AMD's dominance in consoles over the past decade is really starting to show now. Having a software company like Microsoft optimizing Windows for the Xbox was bound to begin to yield major benefits for AMD. Now that Valve is selling AMD hardware and optimizing linux much like Sony has done for the last 15 years or more is really starting to come together. A future without Windows is finally a possibility for a PC gamer. Nvidia is years behind in LInux driver support. Huang is scared.

[@KeithZim]

Ill go a step further, if COD ran on Steam OS I would have left Windows behind a couple of months ago.... My Steamdeck is incredible. My PC could be an even more incredible Steamdeck with support for a couple of more games. MS really wants to buy this game and I think this is a big reason why. Again, that software!!! It's all about the software in the end...

[@T4ish0]

Interesting, NVIDIA was supposed to fix this issue with drivers released around the end of 2022. Another lies from them?

[@narfsc2657]

@@T4ish0 thats not true, they just made the overhead smaller and improved dx12 performance by 5-8% while the total overhead was more in the region of up to ~30%

[@TheZoenGaming]

@@KeithZim DirectX is still used on the Xbox for hardware and OS, so I doubt we'll ever see Linux compare to Windows for proper PC gaming with a discreet GPU, but maybe it will for gaming on APU systems.

[@SB-qo2fo]

Dude, you can't imagine how famous and trustworthy you are among all the tech enthusiasts around the world. Almost every GPU/CPU deal here in Germany quotes your blue bar graphs to compare performance :) This is the result of honest hard work. I'm happy for you, dude.

[@DailyCorvid]

I think they know mate, we've been telling them pretty much since the first morning lol it's been quality floor to floor to ceiling to sky. I call them Bruce and Sheila 🤣 Absolutely the best tech review and analysis channel. Loves it.

[@dertythegrower]

That's not his original work, but 👍 always good to have lots of guys doing it

[@dertythegrower]

hardforum was doing that years ago, as was gamersnexus and everyone that reviewed before youtube (i was even doing it before youtube and i was here before google in 2006, let that sink in)

[@dertythegrower]

Benchmarks are not a unique thing he made up, just my point... heh. Love the work but there is dozens of guys who do this now

[@GregoryShtevensh]

we try

[@ronjatter]

If you put hardware in a box Steve will take it out again.

[@ms3862]

Just like a cat. New channel: Cats Unboxed

[@jihamiya5755]

WOT

[@l3wd475]

And benchmark the snot out of it

[@YouTubeGlobalAdminstrator]

#TheMoreYouKnow

[@j.dietrich]

That's how he got fired from the Amazon warehouse.

[@lloydaran]

Really appreciate the use of the 6650 XT, a much realistic pairing with the 5600 or other budget CPUs. It really shows what to expect from real-world builds. Thanks for you work!

[@imad7x]

Exactly. Literally everyone else compares a 12100f vs 13100f with an rtx 4090. There's literally nobody who's ever going to pair these 2 on a PC.

[@jamegumb7298]

I'd like to think the RTX 3060 is a far more popular card, as is the RX6700 XT. I think testing those would also be representative.

[@flippCZ]

@@jamegumb7298 well 3060 is acutaly same priced as 6650xt while slower than 6650xt by quiet a bit, so.... this is actualy a good pairing, better than 3060 for sure.

[@Jeymez]

​@jamegumb7298 they still are to some degree, but i will admit the 4060 has been getting alot of attention lately over the past 3 months. the 6700 XT was the sweet spot for AMD, but believe it or not, despite the excellent price to performance, the 6600 XT got more attention at the time. then once the 6650 XT came in, people who hadn't had a chance to upgrade, that's where alot of those people went. so it's odd but not too surprising, i went from a 1050ti to the 6700 XT. so you can imagine how much of an increase i got coming from that, but i grabbed it back in February 2023 and i couldn't be more satisfied with the performance. i could've saved some money if i went for the 6600 xt, but i actually was looking at the Nvidia 3060 originally, but the price for the 6700 XT was hard to ignore.

[@vator_rs]

B-roll is killer on your guys' videos! Keep up the good work!

[@Mormielo]

Super easy, barely an inconvenience!

[@rteezy5683]

the ryzen 5600(x) is legit a no-brainer to buy. Using mine since 2020 and probably will for the next 2-3 years on 1440p. Great product.

[@XX-_-XX420]

yeah currently i'd 100% say so(considering they can be had for 100-150 euros now depending if you get new or used), its faster than the 13400F or ties with it while being 100 euros cheaper, and consuming a lot less power. kinda regret going with 12th gen and not waiting for am5 I thought 13th gen would atleast be a upgrade not another 14++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ situation. fml I guess.

[@InnuendoXP]

Yeah I picked one up for £130 in November, along with a B550 ITX board. Choosing the 7600X would've increased my total platform cost by at least another £300 (£400 if I wanted to stay on ITX). By the time the 5600 starts to actually hold me back, I'll probably be able to spend that £300 on a Zen 6 11600 & a midrange motherboard with PCI-E 5.0, USB 4, maybe even hardware-accelerated real-time decompression like the consoles have. DDR5 will actually be mature by then too & today's high speed will be tomorrow's mid. Zero reason a gamer needs better now unless they're rocking an RTX 4090.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@XX-_-XX420 the days of 14nm +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ are over. now, it's gonna be Intel 7++++++++++++++++++++++++

[@noweirdstuffallowed3486]

I got this to replace my old r5 1400 on an A320M board for $120, AM4 was such a great platform, my board was the cheapest among cheap AM4s and now it still can be upgraded and offer considerably performance boost.

[@NikosApla]

@@noweirdstuffallowed3486 Nice i got an a320m too. Mine is asus prime a320m-r bulk and i was wondering if it would run well. Which one do you have?

[@StefandeJong1]

Been waiting for this! Awesome to see some GPU scaling as well. I 100% understand why everyone is testing 1080p with a 4090 to show raw performance difference between CPUs, but at the end of the day people want to know whether these products are worth buying with a realistic GPU matchup. Awesome work!

[@valentinvas6454]

Not only that but people tend to keep their CPUs for much longer compared to graphics cards. So the 4090's 1080p performance might be 5080 or 6070 1440p level or even faster.

[@StefandeJong1]

@@valentinvas6454 Sure, and that's why it's still important to see a CPUs raw performance with no GPU bottleneck.

[@thelmaviaduct]

@@StefandeJong1 it's not relevant info though. No-one sane is running a 4090 at 1080p, even 1440p is stupid.

[@marsovac]

@@thelmaviaduct competitive gamers do. They want a cpu bottleneck, that means they are getting the least input lag. But they run with faster cpus as well, not these in the video. However the video shows something interesting: nVidia is bad with slower cpus. Also it does not matter if nobody sane is doing it. We want to see the performance of the CPU so the test should be run on the faster GPU. If you are on this CPU and upgrade to the next gen of GPUs then the performance you see here is what you will get when using a lower tier next gen GPU. So the benchmark here shows how the CPU WILL BE in the future, not how it is in a realistic scenario right NOW. Why? Because gamers upgrade their GPU more often than the CPU (if they are sane).

[@ThunderingRoar]

@@thelmaviaduct you'd be surprised how many twitch streamers use 4090 on 1080p since they also stream in 1080p quality (1440p doesn't make sense at ~6k bitrate)

[@MickDrivesCars]

Would've loved a CPU above the 5600 just to give perspective as to how bottlenecked the system still is

[@dare2liv_nlove]

Agreed. I know the results are already available in previous vids, but would be nice to add 1 high-end CPU to these graphs to give a wider perspective of where these stand.

[@rustler08]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYXEkohnZ9J4oq8 He already made a video comparing the 5700X and the 5600, it's about 2% faster on average at 1080 for the 5700X.

[@nix123ism]

@@rustler08 yes, I looked at the 5700x but couldn't justify the 50% price increase over the 5600 , for very little performance gain in games, settled on a 5600 as it was 'good enough' . Though I could see the advantage of the 5700x for non gaming use....in my market , the 5600 is only 10% more than a 13100f ....well worth it

[@twanheijkoop6753]

@@nix123ism 5600 is indeed plenty for gaming, and you can still always go for a 5950x/5800x3d in a few years when the prices are lower.

[@Errhhk]

Not much m8

[@t5kcannon1]

Thanks Hardware Unboxed. Interesting video. I was thinking of buying a 13100f, but will now probably go for either a 12100f, or 5600.

[@markism2096]

This was great. It was really useful to see GPU scaling across CPUs. I'd like to see this more regularly, but I appreciate that its a bunch more work.

[@Bulldawzer]

I bought 5600 before Black Friday for a secondary PC. It's an incredible CPU for the price. Combined with a cheap AM4 platform, potentially sourcing used parts like B450 motherboard - it's an easy go-to option.

[@Doflaminguard]

B450 only has Pcie 3 for GPU though

[@anupsonawane1420]

Is there any performance drop if we use a b450 motherboard instead of b550 ? As i have a very tight budget

[@Doflaminguard]

@@anupsonawane1420 b450 doesnt have 4th gen PCIE so your newer GPU wont be running in optimal performance

[@anupsonawane1420]

@@Doflaminguard ok how much will be the performance drop if I pair it with an rx 6600 ? If it's minor then i am fine but if it is more then i need to reconsider getting a b550 board

[@santamod1961]

​@@anupsonawane14201~5 %

[@SirJohnsonP]

Wow only few weeks ago he was discussing this subject on a monthly q&a, and than came back with a banger !!! Best review channel on the world. Just what midrange community was looking for!

[@adamk.583]

Great video, Steve! As a suggestion, I would be interested in seeing a mid-range CPU/GPU scaling showdown with the intel 13400/13500 CPUs added once the new mid-range GPUs (RTX4060/RX7600) come out later this year.

[@gS-kt2ff]

Wow, I was waiting for a scaling video for so long. Thanks a lot ❤️

[@robertkubrick3738]

I bought a couple of 5600 to pair with RX6800 for 1440P for mine and the wife's computers. I think we are done for a few years. My 1600AF worked surprisingly well with a 6800 also, I just had to try it. Any new game will have to be more than eye candy to get me to buy it and considering the quality of recent games, the RX6800s might last me until they mechanically fail.

[@Vermilicious]

Hurray for budget part reviews! There's a whole lot of performance in those small buggers, I have to say. Also, it's interesting to see where the bottleneck appears. I think, perhaps, they went a bit extreme here, so that we only get to know it's somewhere between the RX 6650 XT and the 6950XT, which is a huge span, and thus of limited help. Looking forwards to the 13400 and 13500 review and how they compare to the 12400 value champ! Do the E-cores matter? We'll see.

[@davidmacfarlane4761]

Today's incredible video is a bit of a landmark video for me. This video singlehandedly tosses out some preconceived conceptions that I was wrong about. This video introduces the driver overhead dynamic and it's dependency on CPU for better GPU performance. I was already correctly aware that the 4090 would be CPU bottlenecked on even the fastest CPU at 1080p and 1440p. What I didn't expect was for the much cheaper (and let's be honest, architecturally weaker) 6950 XT to come in SMASHING the $1600 - $2000 RTX 4090!! I was honestly expecting the results to be very similar, and perhaps the 4090 pulling just a couple frames ahead due to certain portions of a benchmark run being less CPU constrained as other portions. like how this video shows that CPUs like the 5600 have a decent upgrade path just by replacing the GPU, where the Core i3 doesn't as much. Iwish there were more GPU/CPU scaling videos out there. I am kind of wondering now how much headroom I actually have for my 5950x if I ever wanted to upgrade my Radeon RX 6800. (not an XT card)...

[@ziokalco]

Rx 5900x with RX 6800. Most of the thine I'm CPU bottlenecked at 1440p (tho frequently maxing the 144hz capability) I play many old games that are often also bad at multi threading. Still there might not be much overhead, see how far the FPS can go at low settings, the max would be below that (as some settings do affect the CPU a bit)

[@davidmacfarlane4761]

@@ziokalco Thanks for sharing your experience, as we have similar components. my rx 6800 does well,and I often get over 100 fps, but I am not usually maxing 165 Hz unless I lower settings and/or resolution some at least on the games I play. Still pretty happy with it, and I won't be upgrading very soon or anything since for single player titles I won't mind living with lowered settings or res as long as the framerate is above 35 or so. I am just wondering if whe mid range GPUs in future generations launch with performance similar to a 4090 or 7900 XTX, I wonder if the 5950x can really utilize most of the card. My radeon-profile graph shows GPU utilization usually in the upper 90's, but that is just on the few games I have looked at. Supposing you're bottleneck observations are representative of my use cases than perhaps it's better to just ride this system the way it currently is out into the sunset.

[@MrHeHim]

This takes me back to the late 90's/early 00's. I used to get PC Gamer magazine and they had awesome CPU graphs comparing them low/mid/high tier GPU's. Gave you an great idea of what CPU you need for your gaming goals/budget. Felt much more "budget" consumer focused, like reviewing normal cars rather than Ferrari's and Crevette's. Think they even included low/medium/high quality settings as it effected the CPU performance too, because if you're going to run a game on a budget you might be more interested in how it handles at medium settings. Back to the CAR ALANOGY lol.. you just want to go to the local track, not Laguna Seca IMO not everyone need's or more importantly has the money for $300-400 CPU when a $100-200 will do 95% of the job when pairing with a $200-300 GPU on a 75Hz monitor. The reviews of just 4070ti/4080/4090 and 7900xt/xtx are great and all, but this makes kids think they need to spend well over 1k just to get into PC gaming when a $100 CPU and $200 GPU can play all the new games on a 1080p/60Hz monitor with medium settings perfectly smoothly. Side note; Nice to see you can build a GOOD new system again for around $500

[@stiffon5605]

Cool. My Daughter is on a budget and upgrading from an FX6300 - getting her a 5500 tomorrow with a budget b550 and 32GB ram - too many people slating the 5500 but here in Canada the 5500 is $120CAD and the 5600 is $190CAD, with the i3 13100F at $160 - amd is still the best bang for the buck! The 5600 is priced at $190CAD which makes it stupid for the minimal additional performance in games, and the 5600X is at $225 - ridiculous when you actually delve into the gaming benchmarks! Thanks.

[@ankur313]

Great work Steve! Would be great to see 13400 & 7600 added to this GPU scaling test !!

[@Gamepalooza]

Really appreciate this vid having a family member looking to build with this price bracket and we were comparing the 5500/5600 vs 12000F as options.

[@jonathanellis6097]

I upgraded from a 3500x to a 5800x3d not too long ago on my personal system, with the intention to upgrade my GTX 1080 at some point this year. Even with my now very old GTX 1080 I was surprised to find some games were running better with improved lows and noticeably smoother, not all but some. The Nvida driver overhead is something I'm gonna pay more attention to when doing budget builds form now on.

[@animefunhub9151]

I'm very much happy with my 5500!! Anything I throw on it.. runs over my exception.. I have a lot of upgrade options fairly available and cheap!! In New.. as the new AMD!! are launched and yet to launch..

[@erudesu1993]

you deserve more than 900 subs, been following you since 2015, everything is detailed. Thank you so much

[@Marko-ij4vy]

ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6700(non xt) was the best budget build I could ask for.

[@8Bitschannel]

That's the exact build I got going on. Fucking love Sapphire cards they're so damn good

[@theplayerofus319]

Damn your power consumption must be so low, great combo

[@RJBWeb]

As i mentioned on my post "I have a R7 5700X pair with a 6700XT and 32 bg 2 x 16gb 3600Mhz, both the CPU and GPU seems to be omitted on almost all of your charts..." I don't understand why but the 6700 cards are great mid of the road to high ...

[@Alxium]

Ordered a 5600 the other day for only $133. Upgrading from a R5 2600, so I am expecting a huge performance boost in pretty much everything. Also, please, if you have the extra $20-$50, get the 5600 and not the 5500. The 5500 looks decent on paper, but that lack of cache is just not worth it, especially with them being so close in price.

[@Cinnabuns2009]

I think you should just wait a month, do the 5800x3D, 7600, 7800x3D and include the 5600 data to get a good spectrum of the AMD landscape

[@johntotten4872]

Great video Steve. I would love to see the 12400f ($150 to $160 on Newegg and good match against the 5600) 13400 and 13500 thrown into the mix against these Cpus in this video. Thanks for all the hard work.

[@zodwraith5745]

I don't know why he used the more expensive non f chips to compare to the 5600 when it doesn't have that igpu that makes these more expensive. Kinda disingenuous when the test is specifically for dedicated GPU builds. Maybe just to bring prices equal but that completely negates any fps/$ comparison. Comparison to 13400 and 13500 will be predictable. They'll be more expensive due to e cores and again having an igpu that Zen3 doesn't, but they'll curb stomp the 5600 in production where those e cores get fired up.

[@davidandrew6855]

@@zodwraith5745 Wow, you need to stop reading too much into these content pieces. There was nothing disingenuous about this test or using the non-F Intel parts. Why do you think there was? As the results showed the 5500 is probably the best part for ultra-budget gaming as it is only 7% behind the 13100 while being 26% cheaper than a 13100f, and about 5% behind the 12100 while being 11% cheaper than a 12100f. The same could be said for the 13100 against the 5600, pretty identical performance at 1080p but the 13100f is 20% cheaper. The 5600 does stretch its legs a bit more if you have a higher end GPU, not that many would pair a 13100 with a 6950xt. I guess I just don't see the disingenuous angle to this video that you do, considering Steve even mentioned them and their prices in his conclusions.

[@anupampb]

Would like to see some similar scaling benchmarks on older CPUs as well, like say i9 9900K, R7 3700X, maybe even older CPUs.

[@LazarNaskov]

Same, seeing these numbers with a 10100/10105 would be sick

[@dertythegrower]

i use a 10100 and it was only 2 digits in price.. and still runs everything maxed out at 1080p, with 16gb ram and a 2060 2-series outdated rtx nvidia card... runs great and what most people should use. Especially if you do not game.

[@dertythegrower]

@@LazarNaskov SOmeone already does that... Odins hardware, he does it best..

[@dertythegrower]

@@LazarNaskov Odins hardware did that, and its literally why i am typing on a 10100 to make this reply. 😎 trust me on that, i know them all

[@AlmostHonest7]

Even just one sample, of two or three generations old CPUs (AMD & Intel) would go a long way to determine when one really need to upgrade the CPU when looking for a new Graphics card. Or if the penalty doesn’t justify the extra money for the CPU or combo (CPU & MB & RAM).

[@rampagoetech7024]

I've subscribed your channel long time ago before covid And seeing your channel grew up really fast amaze me Great review, easy to understand and less clutter especially with music backsound Too bad I'm to broke to join your patreon and discord channel If you have some cheap pc laying around, I'm happy to received it Hehe

[@christophermullins7163]

Almost a year ago I picked up a 5600 and Mobo for a cool $220 out the door from microcenter. I knew then and have more confirmation now that this particular deal was the CPU deal of the decade. 12threads at 4.65ghz will last years still.

[@arsrebellious3929]

Thx for considering budget processors and not just expensive ones 👍

[@XtremeConditions]

That's insane... I think we all know a powerful GPU will bottleneck at 1080p especially when not paired with a top-end CPU. But a 6650XT keeping up with a 4090 was unimaginable to me. Thanks so much for this one you guys.

[@MrSuvvri]

actually its the other way around - with high end GPU and low end CPU you get more CPU bottleneck, espetially in lower resolution and with uncapped FPS. Theoretically at 1080p with uncapped FPS a way worse GPU can perform just as well as a high end one if both of them have the same CPU. The difference starts to appear at at higher resolutions where the GPU gets utilized more. This is basically why you dont buy a 4090TI when you only want to play at 1080p

[@zdenek75a]

WOW !! Eye-opening, best test video of the last year for builders I think. Thanks a lot, subscribing .

[@assetaden6662]

You know you've succeeded and trustworthy when almost every news portal put your graphs as a reference. Good job, Hardware Unboxed.

[@winstonllamas5163]

Thanks for the comparitive review. In the U.S. you can buy the Asus H670 Plus D4 and the I3 13100 for less than $290 after taxes (if you live near a Microcenter). The 5600 with a decent B550 motherboard is about ten dollars more. Both are excellent bargains. With the H670 Plus, you may be able to upgrade to an i5 13600K eventually (which results in a huge increase in performance). The 5700 and 5800X3D are also reasonable upgrades. Building a gaming machine with decent performance has never been cheaper.

[@mroutcast8515]

Last year around this time I was about to switch platform to intel and its i5-12400F, but there was no heavy releases so didn't rush with upgrade. Luckily AMD dropped R5 5600 at 200€ so grabbed that on launch and really happy with it, and benchmark just confirms it was good buy on a budget. Ofc it got cheaper since launch (160€ here) but still, great value product for budget gaming (especially that I already owned AM4)

[@CalanReichel]

Thanks for the content! It must have been super difficult, but I hope it was super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[@andrewkoh332]

Been waiting 13100 and 13400 review

[@pauldelange919]

I love the action scenes with the chips with LEGO mini Figure Dock ock and ghost spider. Please keep that going. Awesome Review guys. Keep up the hard work and dedication.

[@diyrneed]

as someone who has a 5600 and a 7900 xtx im really interested in the 5600 being compared to the 7600 in terms of gpu scaling. id like to know how much i have left on the table and what gains to expect when i decide to come out of my pocket for an AM5 board and cpu over the next year or if its even worth the jump to an x3d part.

[@Khang-kw6od]

The difference would be within margin of error for 4k and if you're using a 7900 xtx you would probably be using 4k anyways.

[@SageCallahan]

Please do more content like this in the future! I am primarily interested in budget build options as opposed to the high end stuff, and there's a real lack of clear, scientific videos detailing options like this. This video was highly informative and is a great service to builders who are looking to get as much bang for their buck as possible, and it's highly appreciated!

[@COLOFIDUTI]

after 11 years im retiring my i5 2500k and the recomended cpu was the 5600,great to see that my choice worth it.Last time i built an AMD pc was the athlon xp

[@raptor1672]

I'm thinking of upgrading my nephews pc as a gift from a 9400F and this certainly helps! Thanks Steve!

[@LeonardoDias-te2gg]

Well... It may be that time of the year when we ask you to revisit the 3600 again. So why not a 3600vs5600vs7600vs5800x3d video? I guess for most people with a 3600 the next upgrade is still unsure. Like ok, we all want a newer GPU but how much bottleneck will the 3600 have with an RX 7900xt or RTX4080? Save and go with the 5600? spend more money on the 5800x3d or pay even more changing platforms to go with the 7600?

[@josephkelly4893]

Have been looking forward to the reviews of these little intel processors. Thanks Steve

[@ellypsis603]

Cant wait for 13500 benches

[@Hardwareunboxed]

They're just days away, we have a full detailed review for you.

[@nismofreak33]

man, Hardware Unboxed coming out with some BANGERS this week

[@evila9076]

There should be much more emphasis on this in reviews. In my opinion this is a lot more more important to the buying decision than RT.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

More emphasis on what exactly?

[@evila9076]

@@Hardwareunboxed that unless you have an ideal cpu. You should always choose AMD. The 4090 costs twice as much as 6950xt but ends up slower with lower end cpus.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Right, well realistically if you're buying a flagship GPU you won't have an entry-level CPU. But I get what you're saying, this is more of a concern for lower-end GeForce GPUs as they're likely to be paired with budget CPUs.

[@LaxonPfc]

@@evila9076 This is only the case because tests are at 1080p. If you do the same tests at 4k ultra 4090 would smoke 6950xt even with low end cpus. Makes no sense to compare GPUs on a purely CPU test video.

[@AwkwardGhost706]

@@Hardwareunboxed will my 12400F and 3060 Ti paring encounter the Nvidia driver overhead issue in cpu demanding games like spider-man with RT? How might I check without owning an AMD gpu for comparison? Thanks

[@Stiitchjones]

I have a 5600g and performs well, good memory OC on that chip. I have seen it now in the US for 120 dollars or less. A steal at that price.

[@storm209e]

Very much looking forward to the 13500 and 13400 review. I am Curious about performance difference based on mainstream ddr4/ddr5 ram vs expensive ddr5(4800 vs 6000). Also with there powerlimit on/off vs 7600 (pbo On/off).

[@XX-_-XX420]

I am not sure how overclockable the 13400 will be, but from what ive seen it loses to the 5600 and 12600k. and it seems to be literally a 12600k but just clocked lower ( so probably a worse bin I guess?)

[@storm209e]

@@XX-_-XX420 its not about overclocking, Actually these have a default power limit of 65w and can consume upto 154w (according to intel's product page) , if allowed by the cooler and motherboard.

[@xxovereyexx5019]

13500 has 14 cores, 13400f has 10 cores both cpus will be the new sweetspot for midrange non-oc

[@XX-_-XX420]

@@storm209e atleast to me, stock vs stock, AMD is much better, the 5600 seems to beat the 13400F due to the 13400F being lower clocked 12600k dies. ( So I think cpus that didnt really make it to a 12600k and had to be clocked lower). but kinda across the board AMD seems better than intel stock vs stock. lower powerdraw and faster. besides the 12100 at the time, stock it was also good, altho overclocked it was a completly diffrent cpu, so thats honestly why imo that really matters. you can get over 40% gains when overclocking. you can get faster single core performance than 13th gen parts which in most games will mean more fps.

[@Astrotripper2000]

Great video. It's not trivial to deduce which CPU and GPU will be a good match. And now with raytracing heavy games things get even harder as evidenced by 4090 showing clear under-utilization (assumed to be a CPU bottleneck) already in 1440p with maxed out settings on the most powerful CPUs currently available. So having a measly 5700X, I do wonder if I would be able to take full advantage even of RX 7900 XT, for example. Impossible to test all the combinations and answer all the question, but this nicely puts things in perspective. Great job. More please 🙂

[@BlackJesus8463]

5600 is often $120 at Microcenter. Sometimes they raise the price $20 like they did this week but it's cheaper more often than not.

[@michaelauman2501]

I appreciate the 6650 thrown in with the other gpus. Thanks for all you do!

[@residentCJ]

1080p is a Resolution from the past. I know 10 years back i also played in 800x600 to be better in CS1.6 , while 1024x768 was already the standard. May be nice to see that some cpus are giving you 50% more fps for 400% more money but i like the tests in 1440 and 4k more to see which is the cheapest cpu to partner with a good gpu.

[@DanielOfRussia]

It really is a pretty crappy res, despite still being the most used. The detail is just not there and the aliasing is bad. Coming from someone who's been on 1080p for years, but switched to 27' 1440p monitor.

[@wetout]

love how the graphs become bold as you go through them. Good stuff

[@Joopitah]

for the 13100 to make sense, they should have added 4 e-cores for a boost to productivity performance and negate some of the differences between it and 6 core parts, to make it a proper upgrade over the 12100

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Interesting notion, but that would inevitably bump the price up and it would be such a niche buyer that would be drawn to that sort of chip

[@bmw523igr]

Lol on point. Just with the new year, I upgraded from my 3600X to the 5600. 130 euros in Greece was a no-brainer for me. With a 6600Xt, it's perfect in 1440p. I want to upgrade my GPU sometime (maybe with the new mid-range GPUs) and nice to see it has no problem with the 6950XT

[@jeffkuzzen]

going from 3600x to 5600, in 1440p, with a 6600xt, doesnt really give u any fps though xD

[@bmw523igr]

@@jeffkuzzen At 1440p from 3600X to 5600 is not a big difference(or none) in fps. But when you go with a higher tier GPU then yes there is a difference

[@cliffordjohnson943]

Great job as always! I thought the 13100 would do much better and I’m really surprised with the 5500 given you can get them for $100.

[@louisstanwu]

Same here.

[@XX-_-XX420]

yeah it seems like 13th gen is more like a 14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ kind of cpu generation, I hope theyll not get stuck, again....

[@Thesaltymaker]

Thanks for giveaway my some attention to the budget builders. Was really informative

[@_overchaos_]

I think you should test RT games like Spiderman using max RT preset, it creates a greater CPU bottleneck. For example, using R5 5600 and RTX 3070, I've seen GPU usage drop to 70% causing fps to go below 60.

[@ozzyp97]

They've done some testing separately, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have at least a single example in a video like this. I upgraded my 3700x to 5800x3d a while ago, and Spider-Man went from 45-50 in difficult spots to basically never dropping below 70. Edit: Using a 3080 12GB.

[@CanIHasThisName]

Excellent work as always. I know there are other issues there, but I think it might be worth doing a few short tests with Intel (to explore the driver overhead issue).

[@Miroslav96]

Im waiting for comparason betwin i5 13400/13500 and ryzen 7 5700x

[@dawienel1142]

great video, please add more cpus/gpus.

[@Ambiguousss]

Please try to add 13600k/7600x/5700x and 6750XT/6700XT/3060Ti/3070 for such mid range value comparisons. It would be great to see them compared to 5600x in CPU/GPU scaling videos. Thanks for this awesome video!!

[@user-zh9kc7tw4n]

Brilliant review and it highlights my philosophy when building a system you have to balance all parts. It would be interesting to see simulare testing with 6800/3080 cards and R7 5800 and 7700 etc

[@user-zh9kc7tw4n]

@@tilapiadave3234 we will see

[@GewelReal]

for such a big price increase for the 13100, I'd rather get the 12100 and get a motherboard that allows BCLK overclocking

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

why not just overclock the 5600 instead? easily overclocks to 4.6ghz , and if youre lucky 4.7-4.8ghz

[@GewelReal]

@@SweatyFeetGirl Because the gains are fairly minimal while 12100 gains like 15-25%

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

@@GewelReal still slower than the 5600

[@PT-en7iu]

no, its not, ryzen is left behind.

[@XX-_-XX420]

honestly, it is 100% fair to ignore anything below the 13600k. it is just 12th gen parts that offer the same performance or even lower performance like the 13400, at a higher price tag.

[@ultraviolet2497]

I think adding a bar for a 13900k or a 7950X to the charts would've been really good to give us a context of if these CPUs are actually maxing out the GPUs at these resolutions. Like with only these numbers we still can't really be sure if pairing a 5600 with a 6950XT is a good idea or a 6800XT would be a better choice at 1440p

[@DanielOfRussia]

If you really need numbers to know whether you should or shouldn't pair 5600 with a 6950XT I'm sorry. Because you clearly shouldn't unless you play at 4K/1440p Ultra.

[@ultraviolet2497]

@@DanielOfRussia isn't numbers the entire reason we're all here?

[@quicksilvercho]

This kind of videos are exactly why i subbed to your amazing channel! Keep up the awesome work!

[@hartsickdisciple]

No chance I would pick a 4 core 8 thread CPU for a gaming PC now. 5600 is the easy pick between these 2.

[@davidandrew6855]

I understand your thinking, I'm kind of the same way. However, remember what Steve said, it is not so much about the number of cores you have, but how powerful is the processing of those cores. While I tend to think 4core/8 thread CPUs are outdated, you can't argue that the 13100K is keeping pace with 6 core CPUs here. Kind of impressive to be honest. I do agree with you, just throwing out a devil's advocate so to speak.

[@rescuehelly271]

@@davidandrew6855 4 cores really don't have much more shutter? I doubt

[@davidandrew6855]

@@rescuehelly271 Not sure what you are asking. I don't think a 13100K will have a lot of stutters in most games, especially those that want strong IPC/clocked vs more threads.

[@rescuehelly271]

@@davidandrew6855 a lot of people say 4 cores have serious shutter problem in gaming, that’s why they upgrade to 6 cores, you can Google it or find it Reddit. I don’t think current i3 with much faster speed solves the not enough cores problem.

[@davidandrew6855]

@@rescuehelly271 I don't need to Google anything, but thanks. From this video we can't really tell the exact frame time graphing, but it appears that the 13100, while slower overall is providing a pretty stable experience. I'm sure there are games that will run this 4c/8t CPU to a breaking point but for those buying something like this, they probably don't play those type of games. It is still a pretty potent 4 core CPU, that will probably be good enough for a lot of users.

[@da1otta]

Thanks, Steve for including not only affordable CPUs but also GPUs in the test. It gives a good insight into just what CPU to pair with a budget GPU and what is overkill.

[@fpshooterful]

Here in Canada, you can get a 5600x for $224cad, pair it with a budget b550 mobo, you're good to go.

[@bleachedwhale]

Thanks, this is a very practical methodology for someone currently looking to upgrade/build!

[@kreygasmed7314]

the 5600 is just waaaay better

[@KenpachiAjax]

ofcourse, they are comparing it to 12100 and 13100. Hopefully you will have the same enthusiasm when they compare it to 12400 and 13400.

[@Moon-ty2hn]

@@KenpachiAjax 5600 is still on the level of the 12400 lol

[@xPandamon]

@@KenpachiAjax A 13100 is more expensive than a 5600 here in germany, not even close and both are end of line, but you got the option to upgrade to a 5800X3D if you go for the 5600..

[@KenpachiAjax]

@@xPandamon 12100f where I live is 110$ that includes the 18% tax and 5600 costs 175$. 12100f is paired with cheap mobo costs 80$. I myself have bought 5600x and its mobo cost me 135$. The cost of 12100f with mobo comes around 190$. Even if you want to go for cheaper 5600 mobo like 100$ it will still cost 275$. And lets be honest. You said you can just upgrade to 5800x3d in the future, well then you have to purchase a good mobo now and not some cheap ass 100$ mobo.

[@xPandamon]

@@KenpachiAjax Damn that's white a price difference. Over here it's not even close, if you don't get the AMD you're trolling. I don't think you'd need a better mainboard for the 5800X3D. You get B450 and B550 boards left and right and they are more than enough for that CPU

[@s.m.1975]

Thanks for CPU and GPU Scaling series's!

[@almostmatt1tas]

Oh wow, I had much higher hopes for the 13100!

[@liewhimself93]

I've been waiting for this!! Thank you so much!!

[@UbergamR447]

i would love to see ryzen 3600 and 3700 x-es on this list too, i think they are pretty mainstream and it would show if upgrading gpu or rather cpu would make more sense! love your vids! Edit: I personally have a 3700x with a 3070 TI, and i dont know how much my cpu bottlenecs this gpu, but i think it does

[@UKKNGaming]

It's bottlenecking it for sure just buy the 5800X3D anything on 3000 series would be bottlenecking mid-high end 3000 series Nvidia and 6000 series AMD GPUs

[@Hjorth87]

I really appreciate this take. It's a great tool for budget builders instead only using the top tier GPUs

[@Steel0079]

So, what I understood is that, buying 5600 is a no brainer in that budget. And buying AMD GPU is also a no brainer because Nvidia has a shitty driver architecture.

[@halistinejenkins5289]

cpu/gpu scaling is my favorite of all your content. hopefully you'll include some older intel cpus when you do the 13400/12400 scaling video. i think 1080p is starting to become 720p as far as these scaling videos go. these newer gpus are just bouncing off themselves confusing the data.

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

Normally, it was planned to build a system around a Ryzen 5600G, payed 124€ for it, new. But this CPU doesn't support PCIe 4.0 So I ordered another one A Ryzen 7 5700X, which costs at this time 170€ inc freight. The 5600G will be used for a system for my brother, with a Asus Rog Strix B550 M Board. He did a lot for me, the past year, so he deserves this. But CPU prices are dropped seriously the last 3 weeks. And they change daily, so if you look good there are some bargains to do.

[@TheDaNuker]

Appreciate these lower end CPU comparisons as these make for comparable data points for those still running overclocked 4C/8T CPUs on much older Intel platforms. From these numbers, it's probably wiser to grab a decent 6C part to give yourself a bit of performance room to drop in a GPU upgrade in the future.

[@noobgamer4709]

for low end cpu, amd gpu is a better choice it seems.

[@srrrb5953]

Apparently Yes

[@relucentsandman6447]

great update, i have been assuming intel stil was a no brainer at this price point since the 5500 released, but the 5600 is very compelling at this price point if you dont value having an igp

[@lorenzoclaeys]

I love seeing ACC as a benchmark in your video's. But it's so anxiety inducing to see a keyboard being used for a simulator 😅

[@fleemwings207]

Thanks for the great work, Steve. What this shows me is that if I only have a budget for a 6650XT, I do not need to bother buying an expensive CPU as we are GPU limited. The results from the RTX 4090 is interesting - does it mean that nVidia is trying to offload more and more work to CPUs? If so, the cost of gaming PCs will go up even more because gamers need to buy higher end gaming platforms. And this is on top of the over the top GPU prices! Its tough being a non Pro gamer these days.

[@MLWJ1993]

It runs GPU scheduling instructions on the CPU whereas AMD presumably runs that somewhere on the GPU. There is possibly a case to be made for either approach, suffice to say that it's not optimal with a CPU limited scenario.

[@fleemwings207]

@@MLWJ1993 Yes, so if I only have a budget for a Core i3-13100 or Ryzen 5 5500, I should probably be using a Radeon rather than a GeForce GPU.

[@MLWJ1993]

@@fleemwings207 It depends, if you're going to be GPU limited anyway it doesn't make much of a difference most of the time. If you're playing mostly CPU limited games, definitely.

[@superawesomefuntimego]

Very impressive work Steve! I understood that a low end cpu bottlenecked a 4090, but this was eye opening how much the impact was.

[@rovert97]

I feel like a winner cuz I snagged a 5700x for under $185US two weeks ago. It was $35 less than a 5600x at the same time which blows my mind.

[@odizzido]

Great content. The 5600 seems pretty good. Talking about the 7600 I think that's a different price tier isn't it? More expensive motherboard, more expensive ram. At the prices we are talking about that's pretty significant.

[@louisstanwu]

The inclusion of the R7 5800X3D in the charts is what I want to see Steve. Thanks.

[@auradrifter7779]

I can’t wait to see the 13400 vs 13500. I can’t make up my mind on which one to buy, hope your channel can help me

[@tyre1337]

13500 4mb extra L3 cache, 4 more e-cores, better igpu, higher clocks it's basically a discounted 13600k

[@kumivalas3307]

Amazing test like allways. One thing I liked to be there too is 13900k or equal AMD so we can see the difference top of the line product. Keep up the good work!

[@M4rio21]

I got a 12100 for $100 a few months back. Fantastic chip. Today Im rocking a 12400F that I got for $160. CPU prices are awesome right now. If only the GPU market was the same.

[@StrewthSeeker]

Thank you Malaka! Another great video!

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

This video highlights again (as well as you Nvidia Driver Overhead videos) *that I dont need a faster CPU than a Ryzen x600 if I want so play story action games* like Horizon Zero Dawn or the Witcher 3 in 1440p high details or even 1080 high details *with a mid-class GPU like RX 6650 XT or 5700 XT!* 13:07 13:37 Which is great! So for my scenario (mid-tear GPU, none competitive games, 1080p/1440p, targeting high details than high framerates) I don't need an upgrade from AM4, can save the money and look very relaxed into the future and watch high prices go by. Excellent! That means that it is a good year for PC gaming, especially mainstream and low budget gaming! Prices are quite low (e.g. RX 6600, RX 6650 XT, Ryzen 5600) also with used parts (Ryzen 2600, RX 5700 XT) and it's quite easy to match console settings and quality with a system that costs equally much!

[@ilpastor]

Thank you guys!

[@gerardotejada2531]

The 12100f for 100$ can be paired with a 3060ti. Almost Zero bottleneck and the absolute best value you can have today. For about 600$ you can play 1080p 60fps at Ultra in most modern AAA games.

[@JayzBeerz]

i got the 12100F for $79.99 from BH Photo.

[@shadowred1980]

I would have liked to see a card between the 6650xt and 6950xt. 6800xt would seam a good fit in that gap. My thinking being, it's highly unlikely a 5600 is going to be paired with a super top end part. Nothing wrong with including one though to rule out gpu bottlenecks. Like the chap in the Q&A was asking about, including some middle of the road cards in future testing. Thank you for all the testing you do for us.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

5600 with a 6650 XT or 6700 (non XT) is a fantastic match.

[@DanielOfRussia]

You seem to be forgetting 6750XT exists.

[@DanielOfRussia]

@@Iridiumcosmos It could easily max out 6750XT if played at 1440p.

[@Iridiumcosmos]

@@DanielOfRussia OP did say they would have liked to see a card in _between_ 6650XT & 6950XT. 5600/X would mostly be paired with a 6650 or 6700 (non XT/XT) in a real world scenario since they tend be more price/performance friendly. 1440p @ 60 FPS and Ultra/Extreme settings on Forza for example uses 80% - 90% GPU usage with 5600 + 6700 which happens to be in my rig. High GPU utilization is what you want anyway. So a maxed out 6750XT isn’t even a bad thing.

[@shadowred1980]

@@Iridiumcosmos I was referencing a question asked in the recent q&A, where the guy asked for a selection of mid range cards rather than one then a 4090 etc. When doing mid \ budget cpu testing. It's also location dependant. Some suggestions above for the 6750xt, over here it's usually the same price as the 6800 (when in stock).