CQB ⋅ THE EXPANSE ⋅ S1 ⋅ Ep4 ⋅ REACTION

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[@andiecph]

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[@adriancooper78]

Oh man, wrlcome to the world of The Expense. Man, if you think this is good, you haven't seen nothing yet!! Im with you for the ride. The details are everything in this show, SO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION and get ready for the ride of your life!!!!!

[@adriancooper78]

Oh and that pin that Amos was wearing has a deep and a darker meaning. All will be revealed in time . ATTENTION TO THE DEATAILS!!!

[@andiecph]

@@adriancooper78 thank you 😊

[@Awol991]

"Did one become six?" yes. It was because the incoming ships were lined up like < < < < < < [Donnager over here] With the bottom flamey end toward the Donnager as they were de-accelerating to come to a relative stop. All the Donnager would see is the one flame of the drive engine, with all the other ships hidden behind that. Only when they came out of line would the Donnager be able to see them all < < < < [Donnager over here] <

[@C76Caravan]

Weird for us to talk about using a body as fertilizer (then again, burying someone is in a way also just adding fertilizer to the soil), but the Belt needs all the resources they can get. In a way, using a body for fertilizer is some way for a Belter to help their society even in death.

[@andiecph]

yeah, understandable. I guess I got a bit shocked because of how casual that guy was talking about a dead body like if it was a thing and not a someone.

[@zachgaskins3731]

@@andiecph Another example of how short and cheap Belter lives tend to be. Fatalistic for sure.

[@MAL1GNANT]

They remind me of the necrons.@@andiecph

[@TheDanEdwards]

The Mormon are CUSTOMERS of Tycho Station. It just so happens that the guy in charge of Tycho Station is aligned with the OPA.

[@danbadd]

Lopez did see Holden had th opportunity to grab the gun but I think he already knew Holden wouldn't because he had conducted the interrogation and understood the makeup of Holden's character.

[@y00t00b3r]

I also think he was too far across the room to do anything. It all happened so fast. But I agree, Lopez had indeed been warming up to Holden the entire time. Holden not even thinking to grab the firearm just sealed the deal.

[@MattNolanCustom]

The "OPA" and Mormons' relationship seems to just be business, based on the conversation we saw. The Belter workers are being paid to construct a spacecraft for the Mormons. "Memory Crypt" is slightly lost in translation, perhaps, though you figured it out. More like computer memory / data storage than thoughts and recollections from a human brain. Hidden in his body to keep it more secure and covert. "Data broker" sounds like he is maybe stealing / couriering / selling secrets on some kind of black market.

[@andiecph]

thank you for clarifying :)

[@obelisk21]

Data sent through a network can be intercepted where data physically transferred between individuals will be the most secure method. The purpose of a data broker is basically to be like a shipping container for data. The person sending the data copies it into the data crypt in the guy's leg and then the broker travels to where the receiver is and the the person receiving the data will copy it out and ensure the data broker has deleted the copy he carried.

[@y00t00b3r]

@@obelisk21 Yes. In short, the guy was a data smuggler.

[@kirkdarling4120]

You noticed the symbol Amos wears...good catch! Yes, that is a Japanese Oni demon mask. The Japanese folklore is that if you wear the face of the demon, it will ward the demon away from you. There is no fluff in this show...that will come back. That whole little scene is significant. My unpopular opinion is that the stealth ships would have gone after the Donnager anyway because the Donnager had been to Phobe. We hated Lopez, and then we were sorry to see him go. This series frequently gives such good drama to one-off characters. Because of that, you never really know if you're seeing a new permanent character or a one-off who just got a juicy bit of drama. Lopez' interrogation of Holden may have shown Lopez that Holden was essentially a trustworthy man. Mormon religious doctrine includes a belief in human-habitable planets. Their doctrine also includes the concept of disaster preparedness and being ready to leave untenable places for safer places. So, it's very conceivable that if any group was willing to sink resources into an interplanetary mission, it would be Mormons. It is important that Fred Johnson asserted that the OPA was just about human rights, while Martians and Earthers have branded the OPA as all terrorists.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

Well... the OPA Fred is in control of at least

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Chef Casey is the best minor character. He doesn’t show up for a while though.

[@adamwells9352]

I agree with OP about the Donnager.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

@@Justanotherconsumer nah, gotta go with 52.

[@zolahVR]

I mean, both description of the OPA is correct partially. There's OPA like Fred Johnson and there are OPA factions that are more like Space-Hezbollah.

[@Sir_Alex]

Let's say that in this episode things start rolling... it's the start of the avalanche...buckle up. 😁 Respect for the crew of the Donnager

[@danbadd]

Remember the Don!

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Quiet flows the Donnie.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

The real Bizi was just participating in an extreme sport. The point was to set a record time. It was just your typical sports betting. That he messed up and burned up his ship was a well timed accident. :)

[@andiecph]

oh I see, thank you for explaining!

[@y00t00b3r]

First, kudos to all the commenters who arrived before me. Fantastic job explaining all the points. @andieCph is doing such a great job... Still a little confused, but not as much as I was the first time I watched. Being confused while watching The Expanse is the best part! It is so intellectually nourishing to piece things together as the show goes along! This show talks down to nobody.

[@andiecph]

Awwww thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️ indeed the community has been amazing, thank you so much 😊

[@scottlescard6154]

FYI, The OPA, Outer Planet Alliance, is made up of a large number of factions. There is no one central leadership or any form of power structure. And not all factions get along and some even have conflicting methods and goals. The majority of the OPA is withing the belt but not exclusively, there are stations with in the system.

[@KevinLyda]

Instead of a thumb drive the data broker had a thigh drive. That way if someone tried to steal his data he could leg it. I'll see myself out...

[@andiecph]

oh goodness

[@ArgyleR04D]

go to dadjoke jail :D

[@KevinLyda]

@@ArgyleR04D I can't. Never had kids. I can go to faux pa jail though...

[@y00t00b3r]

That's terrible. You are hereby sentenced to provide one dad joke that is just as terrible for the next 5 reactions.

[@adamwells9352]

Please don't take this any father.

[@Yesquire0]

That huge spaceship being constructed at Tycho Station was commissioned by the Mormon church. This is a neat and surprising bit of writing and based upon a bit of current reality. The Mormon church has a lot of wealth right now. It would also, perhaps more than just about anybody, chafe under any governmental restrictions regarding the number of children a Mormon couple could have. So, it is not much of a leap to accept the idea that Mormons would spend some of their money on a "generational ship" large enough to sustain famring operations for the five or six generations it would take to reach the nearest star and its new solar system to discover a new planet where they could live and reproduce as they please. The Mormon religion is a bit unusual in that its core doctrines include a lot of references to space and other planets, making it even more likely that Mormons could be leaders in the colonization of other solar systems even if voyages there would take hundreds of years travelling at a small fraction of the speed of light..

[@y00t00b3r]

Yes. Summary: Tycho station is a shipyard. The Mormons are a customer of that shipyard.

[@keithnphx63]

RIP Shed.

[@Dmitriy.0]

Shed's dead, baby. Shed's dead. 🏍

[@Justanotherconsumer]

S-no-hed.

[@adamwells9352]

Awww... Too soon.

[@feudist]

The show turns it up to 11...for the FIRST time. The Slingshot Club betting on Bizi was about the level of concern for Miller that a Poker game has in the Bible Belt...not much. Belters live on the frontier, and they are a rough lot, and take their entertainment where they can. Plus Miller is, to put it kindly, unenthusiastic and compromised. The most he would have done is shake them down for a "fine". "There's no Law on Ceres, just cops." Star Helix maintains Order. They enforce the Law on an as needed basis.

[@golfr-kg9ss]

Great reaction. I'm liking your post episode analysis. The Mormons have no affiliation with the OPA. It just happens that the ship they want built is being built for them by Fred Johnson who is part of the OPA. As for the cop being skewered. There's a KZbin channel called Ty and that Guy where one of the authors and Wes Chatham (Amos) discuss the episodes. In this one Ty Franck said this was taken from a real life accident of some kind where someone was skewered by a metal post of some kind and survived. A good way to learn about the episodes if you don't mind wadding through all of the talk.

[@quegs]

Havelok teaching the very important first aid lesson: if you get stabbed by something, DON'T remove it.

[@andiecph]

thank you! :)

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@andiecph be careful with the Ty and That Guy podcast if you want to watch them. They can sometimes spoil future episodes. I think I saw somebody say not to start watching those until you are 3 seasons into the show itself!

[@andiecph]

@@MattNolanCustom yeah I heard about it from someone else in the comments. But I havent seen/heard it because I know it has spoilers

[@Dendood]

The cop not dying from the harpoon is actually based on a real life event. It is possible, however slim, to survive impalement. Two things worked in his favor, the rod being in place actually reduces bleeding out. As well as the physical conditions on Ceres. His survival helped ease our sense of loss from losing Shed. Really good writing. You did an awesome job reading into the nature and back story of Amos. Very perceptive. If you go back to episode 2, where Amos and Holden are out fixing the antennae array, remember Amos voices out loud that he couldn't see any reason not to end Holden by knocking him off the ship, other than Naomi wouldn't like it. Then after making such an obvious threat to Holden's life, Amos then asks Holden to pass him a spanner. When Holden does Amos say's "Thank you." That one minute exchange says so much about the character of Amos. And as the show moves along you will learn so much more. He is a fascinating character you will grow to love to pieces. Another KZbin reactor beautifully nicknamed him 'Murder Snuggles."

[@UserName-vb4lg]

Murder snuggles was a set nickname. Not a reactors idea.

[@Dendood]

So we are working under the assumption that both things cannot be simultaneously true? Ever hear the phrase, "like minds...". And since murder and snuggles are pretty innocuous words, it's unlikely the phrase was invented on set. And existed in the ether long before being tagged onto Wes. Just saying... I assumed Nicky pulled the reference from a movie. Anyway, she made me laugh saying it. Which earns big points in my book.

[@Biomirth]

The title made me think you would only be speaking / watching in Poruguese. Glad I continued as you do great reactions IMO. Title may confuse others?

[@andiecph]

thank you so much for saying that, I'll make sure to change it and thank you for sticking around ^^

[@y00t00b3r]

@@andiecph I am not afraid of Portuguese !

[@andiecph]

@@y00t00b3r good! You should only fear the Spanish 🤣

[@texn7526]

Damn this series is sooooo good! Thanks so much Andie🥰and congrats on your 1k milestone!💞

[@andiecph]

Thank you so much, Tex :D have you started watching it?

[@Sinewmire]

"Bizi Betiko" means "Live Forever" in Basque, for a character who dies literally as we meet him! Morgue technicians are famously unbothered by death and bodies and often have ghoulish senses of humour, though as we saw from Bizi's death, life is cheap in the Belt. "Scuttling" a ship is a term from the age of sail, meaning to sink it before the enemy can take it. The Mormons believe that The Earth is just one of many inhabited worlds, and there are many governing heavenly bodies, including the planet or star Kolob, which is said to be nearest the throne of God, so it makes sense they'd want to build a ship to go and find God. They presumably wanted the Belters to build their ship as the Belters are used to getting by with very little, so they make very efficient ships.

[@andiecph]

oh cool!! thank you for explaining :)

[@Sinewmire]

@andiecph no worries, I hope it helps you to enjoy the show, and hopefully avoid spoilers!

[@y00t00b3r]

@@andiecph > "Scuttling" a ship is a term from the age of sail scuttling charges continue to be a thing in the modern era. On the Donnager, the to scuttle the ship meant overloading the reactor so that it would explode, leaving no trace. scuttling charges are explosives which are rigged with a timer, with enough time to allow the crew to abandon ship. They are placed near the hull so that the ship will take on water and sink quickly. There are two reasons to do this. First, to deny the enemy the use of your ship. Second, to make sure the enemy won't be able to capture and look at your secret materials, such as battle plans, intelligence materials, and cryptographic communications equipment.

[@y00t00b3r]

lol, how did that get posted twice?

[@jeffreypreiss8191]

I'm glad you are enjoying this series. Really really good show. The actor that plays Amos is fantastic at displaying his emotions in his face. He has some scenes where his face says so much. You are picking up a lot of the details and asking some good questions. Keep in mind that there is very little, if any, throw-away material in this show. Remember all of those little things. Enjoy the ride.😊

[@andiecph]

Thank you so much 😊

[@thernymous]

How the one ship turned into six is basically: at first they were 6 ships traveling close together or possibly even in one line, so there was only one big drive plume visible. On a side note, we - and the Martians - could see their drive plume because they were braking towards us: the flip-and-burn manoeuvre.

[@thomasvikingpoetcolvin4990]

I remember watching this for the first time. As soon as the medic lost his head I have a distinct memory, thinking, "Okay, this is what this show is going to be like." And the rest of the series did not disappoint. The Expanse is one of my favorite shows of all time.

[@andiecph]

It was quite a shock, very well made 👏👏

[@carstenbiebricher9619]

The pin from Amos is in a later episode relevant. Maybe you remember it when you are there. 🙂

[@andiecph]

I'll try to stay attentive :)

[@adamwells9352]

Havelock probably survived at least partially because under the low-G of Ceres kept him from suffering too much under his own body weight. The other reason could just be that human beings can be a heck of a lot tougher than we might realize. People have survived through some pretty horrendous s--t.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

Just FYI, Those PDCs (Point Defense Cannons), are weapons we actually have NOW. Most American naval ships have them, with aircraft carries having 4, specifically designed to shoot down any incoming missiles. Try looking up some videos of the Phalanx CIWS if you want to see them in action!

[@andiecph]

just saw it and it's really cool! looks very powerful

[@Awol991]

Just what space needs lots more fast moving pieces of dense metal.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

@@Awol991 at one point in the books characters remark that there is a non-zero chance that a ship could run into one those bullets or debris. Space is really really big, so it’s very low, but still a possibility.

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction! Good catch on Amos's pin, omni demon pin! More on that later. This is the episode that hooked me! Well this ride is just warming up so buckle up and hang on! Because here we...... GO!!!!!

[@andiecph]

Thank you 😊

[@Yesquire0]

When that mysterious soldier gets his lower arm shot off, we are shown his suit automatically sealing the break in the suit. With gun battles being fought with bullets, you wouldn't want your soldiers to die from cold, lack of air pressure, and lack of oxygen just because a bullet pucntured their space suit. Self-sealing suits thusly were invented. Later in the episode, Amos gets shot in his lower leg, but we know his space tuit sealed itself automatically beause we had already seen it happen twice before, once with the invading soldier, and way back in epidsode one when that chunk of ice severed the arm of that guy gathering ice on the Canterbury, although you have to assume self-sealing spacesuits as to the latter incident because we aren't shown it explicitly.

[@MattNolanCustom]

I think you're misinterpreting things here. The self-sealing spacesuit is to show how advanced the unknown force is. Both Holden and the Martian soldiers are surprised to see it. Our little gang have their suits on when running across the gantry, but I think this is as a precaution, I don't think the hangar bay is depressurised. There are times when you can see puffs of smoke moving as if there is atmosphere. So, I don't think Amos' suit auto-seals. I don't think the arm losing incident with the ice chunk in Ep1 was a self-sealing suit either. At least not in the fantastic way we see with the blue-visored guy's suit.

[@Yesquire0]

@@MattNolanCustom The Donager was riddled wtih railgun slug holes. All air had escaped into space outside of special areas such as the bridge.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@Yesquire0 in which case the smoke swirling was a production mistake. Still doesn't mean everybody has automagic sealing space suits. As we will see in various episodes later.

[@y00t00b3r]

@@MattNolanCustom > The self-sealing spacesuit is to show how advanced the unknown force is. exactly. Even if self-sealing suits existed, no way were they as advanced as this one, which could cope with loss of a limb.

[@ducktape160]

You gona be fluent in the Belta linga be the end of the series. Oh and you jumping in sub, well done on the growth of the channel. But it’s no surprise. You good to watch

[@andiecph]

Thank you so much 😍

[@wordpainting3]

Episode 8 was where I got hooked because they start to give substantial answers to various questions. Some folks say 4 because it has lots of great action and it is a good episode.

[@andiecph]

I havent seen that far ahead yet but I'm looking forward to it