CR485 / BEST BOLT IN CAM / ALPHA PERFORMANCE ENGINES / HARLEY

[@Ride_on54]

I agree my fatbob with the CR483 + kit used to chew the juice

[@MasterTechMiller]

Where was it tuned?

[@chrishaigh82]

Usually due to issues with the human component of your throttle position sensor. make it loud and fast and we use it

[@tkx86]

I miss riding and to be quite honest it makes me a little depressed.... your videos always get me back on bikesales and the like with a smile when they pop up on my feed. It always makes me miss my FXDC Dyna wide glide with the evo motor.. I have been eyeing off something like a street bob. There is one for sale low ks Saddleman 2up seat, orange screaming Eagle leads, Arlen Ness big sucker filter, 55mm S&S manifold , Woods WM8-22XE camshaft , screaming Eagle lifters , S&S adjustable pushrods, Freedom pipes , Dyno tuned by Power house Dyno on the GC all producing 116hp and 126 ft-lbs which I think would get me rocketing along. The misses always comes out when she hears the intro of your video and pulls that face at me haha.

[@MasterTechMiller]

Mate I'm glad to hear that I'm some type of inspiration for you to start thinking about & looking at bikes. You should definitely get one. It'll be the best thing you do for yourself!

[@samuelemetitiero4328]

I have 22 fatboy 114 cr485 shotgun injectors, s&s intake manifold two into one bassani road rage built and tuned matt from those dyno guys 130, 132

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@samuelemetitiero4328 Matt does great work!

[@dmystify1381]

that is,...Impressive💯

[@kanenaysmith9287]

Thats crazy power and torque. But I still love my CR483 and that 128 kit you installed is insane torque. #skidsallday lol

[@MasterTechMiller]

Yeah mate, your bike is a weapon!! Glad your loving it!

[@danielsmith7713]

Excellent package. Great build. Awesome tune... those lines look sweet. Take yourself out for beer and a shot on that one. Who makes the front light fairing? I would like to get one on mine.

[@MasterTechMiller]

Cheers mate! It came together nicely 👌 I'll see what I can find out about the fairing.

[@gnd111]

My 124 has a CR585, great cam 140/140

[@dyme2755]

Good job ,incredible results . You dont need to change the oil pump and came plate ?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTQiaVjaJieY6ssi=kvqm5v5rygNzP7LU

[@MrSprocket09]

Getting a 117 with a s&s 475 cam on it. It's running the tbr shorty turnout pipe. Can i please ask mate... What's your thoughts on this combo

[@haroldwhite7464]

I run through a tank in about 100mi with the cr485. She lives on the limiter

[@MasterTechMiller]

Nice!!!

[@tillsy23]

I have a fxlrst with a cr483 and tbr turnout, it's way too loud for my old ears! What would be the quietest 2-1 exhaust I could run? I'm guessing S&S superstreet with dB reducer?

[@marktindale5647]

Hey Tommy another great vid. Just curious why you consider the CR485 the best bolt in cam. I get that for max horsepower applications but is that still the case for street? Cheers mate and love your work 🤘🏻

[@MasterTechMiller]

@marktindale5647 It's a very smooth cam to ride with for either Softail or Touring bikes. It's a very friendly cam for the valve train, runs quiet, provides awesome mid range torque & great top end numbers. When tuned correctly fuel consumption is hardley changed

[@marktindale5647]

@@MasterTechMiller yeah that’s all solid reasoning. I’m getting a 483 and supporting parts put in at end end of the month here in Perth. I’m already getting FOMO!

[@marktindale5647]

Thanks also for taking the time to reply Tommy. Appreciated 👍🏻

[@MasterTechMiller]

@marktindale5647 The 483 is a GREAT option too! It provides a little more in the mid range & has that awesome idle sound most are after

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@marktindale5647 All good mate 👍 Thanks for watching

[@Maggieismydog]

Beautiful work Tommy, how does the CR483 do with fuel consumption? I have a 23 LRS which I’m still running in. Stage 1 fitted and I’m getting 350-380km a tank.

[@MasterTechMiller]

You will notice a small decrease in fuel economy. Maybe around 30km to 50km per tank

[@Maggieismydog]

@@MasterTechMiller thanks mate. Is there a cam on the market that would improve fuel economy?

[@bobslife7277]

I wonder how much power mine 23 breakout 117 make with blow performance exhaust with 475 cam and stage tune😄. I am working on getting big bucks to put on motor.

[@MasterTechMiller]

I'd day somewhere around 118hp & about 124ft/lbs

[@jayzee1968]

Sweet. Though that hp and tq is in the high-mid to high rev range. I guess depends on application. Why not the 483? Just curious. Thanks.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@jayzee1968 This exhaust is responsible for the low HP & TQ numbers in the low to mid section when compared to a set of Freedom 2-2 pipes. The 483 would have been a little softer off the bottom with this pipe.

[@jethrocarey5021]

​@MasterTechMiller so, would a 2into 2 yield better low to mid range than that 2into 1? Can the same be said for a twin cam 103 with andrews 57h cams, would a 2into2 be better than a 2 into 1?

[@jaynelson2347]

What full Exhaust system would you off the record recommend as best suited cam for the M8 117 lowrider s with this cam

[@MasterTechMiller]

D&D Lowcat

[@jaynelson2347]

👍🏻what’s your thoughts on the sawicki mid length exhaust would it help the torque dip I’m getting with cr485 and tbr turnout I am getting

[@TimmyBobby32]

If you could choose, what would your choice of exhaust and intake be for a 114/117 with stage 2 + intake manifold and injectors be. I have a 117 with reaper 472/ported s&s/trask filter/freedom radical radius making 127hp/138tq but always chasing more.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@TimmyBobby32 Freedom 2-2 is my pick for the best balance of HP & TQ with a great looking curve. I prefer to run the 64mm Throttlebody & intake on stage 2 kits that are chasing peak numbers.

[@zombiedeathtouch3805]

@@MasterTechMillerwhat about the Dand D bobcats, best sounding 2 into 1!!!!

[@dry509]

Do you have a favorite model bike to install it in?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Not particularly, it will support just about any Milwaukee8 Harley

[@dalewebb9167]

How much power is good to go through standard crank and fly wheel?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Typically anything under 150hp & 150ft/lbs is fine on the OEM crank for Street applications

[@dalewebb9167]

@MasterTechMiller thanks mate....after those figures would you recommend like a dark horse crank or?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Absolutely! At minimum I would be suggesting a S&S flywheel. Even though they aren't welded, they're a much better construction. You can run one of out OEM welded flywheels, or as you mentioned, a Dark Horse Flywheel

[@ethandale22]

I have the same bike will it be better on fuel? After the work ?

[@MasterTechMiller]

@ethandale22 The fuel economy won't change much at all if it's tuned correctly. You probably wouldn't notice the difference to be honest. Keep in mind though, that when you go from stage 1 upto a stage 2 kit, the bike is LOT more fun to ride, so you will find yourself twisting the throttle a little more for thr first few hundred kilometres until you calm down again. This can lead to a false sense of decreased fuel economy.

[@ethandale22]

Thanks mate

[@michaelmitchell5909]

Damn, those cr cams are serious.... Do they make cams for the twin cam motors Tom?...and which set would be a good torque set? Is the andrews 485 cam comparable to the cr 485 Tom? Alot of dudes here I'm the states are using the andrews 485.

[@danr919]

Hey Mate I run CR 570’s in my twin cam 103 they perform great and happy with the torque they produce.

[@michaelmitchell5909]

@danr919 .....thanks for responding. So I went on cr website after commenting and it says on the twin cam cams are 07 and up, I have an 04 road king with a 95" kit on it....I'm considering building it to a 107 stroker. Wonder of they'll work or is the length of them a factor?

[@danr919]

They won’t fit because the cam journal is smaller on pre 07 models which is unfortunate. You should look at a SE 204 cam for torque that will fit your combo. I also have a 96ci twin cam running a Se204 and I’m getting 102 foot pound torque just bolt in with pipes and filter

[@michaelmitchell5909]

@danr919 ....thanks for the input. The motor was an 88" that the previous owner did the 95" big bore kit, if u wanna call it a big bore kit for what today's motors are, back in 04 that was big I guess... and it has the fueling 525 cams in it now, it definitely runs pretty good for having a 4" stroke stock crank and stock heads. I'm unsure if I'm gonna drop money on building it to a 107 or put the money down on a 24 road king with the m8 114.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@danr919 Thanks for the replies & help in responding here mate 👍

[@ricko9879]

I got that cam in my Breakout and it surges and cruises like a pig at low speed with a neutral/very light throttle position. Can that be smoothed out with a proper tune? Has a base map in it now from SCHD. They didn't put it on the dyno after the stage 2 install as the bike was new and needed to be run in first.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@ricko9879 absolutely it can be smoothed out with a proper Dyno tune

[@ricko9879]

@MasterTechMiller Thanks for the reply mate 👍

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

That valve stem is never there when u need to check air pressure tho

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@geraldgoodiii6993 🤣😂🤣

[@scottanderson2113]

What’s the approx cost with this upgrade?? Thanks

[@MasterTechMiller]

Price of the kit is linked in the description, installation costs vary from dealer to dealer. My install cost is $1500 which includes the full custom Dyno tune.

[@hizacaine]

That mask should help with the particulates and VOCs, but only if it's kept clean and the filter is fresh. Since it isn't being stored in a ziploc we can assume that it isn't clean, and I'll bet that the filter isn't changed after each exposure. Even if the mask is treated correctly there isn't enough material in the filter to absorb any significant quantity of SOx, NOx and COx, so don't expect it to protect against incidental carbon monoxide poisoning.

[@MasterTechMiller]

I do have replacement filter elements for it that I replace but not after each exposure. I didn't know they should be replaced after each session, nor that it should be kept in a sealed bag. Makes perfect sense though now I'm thinking about it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!

[@hizacaine]

@@MasterTechMiller You just need to realize that a filter, whether it's activated charcoal or something else only has enough molecular touch points to bind a little bit of vapor, and once filled they won't remove anymore. The best thing to do is a massive amount of ventilation, none of this dust or gas is healthy and if you can smell it you're getting dosed. There isn't any upside to a cough, forgetfulness, a damaged liver or a 'little headache'. Motorcycles are hazardous enough and I won't be able to learn from you if you aren't able to teach.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@hizacaine Cheers for the heads up mate. There is a huge 2 foot diameter extraction fan above & behind the motorcycle that moves around 3500cfm of air through the Dyno cell. It pulls fresh air in through the front of the cell then up & out through the roof.

[@michaelthompson7001]

gotta get rid of the short exhaust, as you know, the pipe is what is causing the "dip", the torque curve needs to be more linear

[@MasterTechMiller]

The FREEDOM 2-2 exhausts prove to be the best when it comes to providing the ideal HP & TQ graph.

[@FXFBS540]

I'd take a dip in power vs some goofy looking long pipe setup.

[@michaelthompson7001]

@@FXFBS540 I'm running the 30 / 30 cam which has the same "lift" as CR485, if you go to Star Racing's website and "click" on the 30 / 30 cam, George Bryce tells you about how the use of a short pipe creates the 'dip", he's a legend and knows his stuff, ride safe man

[@martamus65]

Looked like you placed the gauge on the wrong side of the front lifter cuff or I may be wrong

[@David-b4r]

Fuck that thing sounds awesome hahaha

[@MasterTechMiller]

💯

[@David-b4r]

Was thinking bout putting one in my 114 fxlrs do u need injectors and throttle body or will oem be ok

[@brendonclunie8399]

The kit needs to come with a bigger fuel tank 😂

[@MasterTechMiller]

🤣😂🤣

[@Holmesy89]

From the fatbob groups I'm a part of, the larger softail Fatboy tank fits right up.

[@midas61]

Impressive high rpm gains but 80% of your riding is where there are no real world gains. HP cams are a waste of time in these things unless you are above 4000rpm most of the time which you aint. By far the best bang for your money is in a low-mid range cam on these engines. IMO

[@MidnightExpressMC]

👍

[@danr919]

Different strokes for different folks!

[@MasterTechMiller]

Yeah for sure, I agree with you. Most customers are after a big HP number on the Dyno sheet & don't really care about any gain down low.

[@midas61]

@@MasterTechMiller Yeah, weird that, they are paying a lot of money for a number most of them will never see and in doing that loose out on all the fun they could have with a cam aimed at the RPM range they actually ride the bike in 95% of the time. Strange world we live in eh .

[@chrishaigh82]

@@midas61 Its a balance because there is only so much you can put through the back tyre before your ripping skids anyways. I like the 485 pulling in the upper revs because I've got full traction when it's in its stride meaning it lifts the front happily and gives seat of the pants excitement. I found the M8 was a great motor but so smooth and flat in its delivery it was boring.