Crash Test Month: Van vs. Car

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[@DARam4009]

I'd like to see a crash showing how lethal metal bull bars on pick-ups and 4x4s can be

[@seimolddickhead5552]

that was a nice passat

[@backgroundnpc2251]

Was :(

[@Adam-oy4nh]

I have the same passat

[@vinatay7452]

IIHS tested the old passat and u would probably have some broken legs

[@v6tex]

It's a Sport too, what a shame. They could have destroyed an SE or Highline at least

[@spaghetti9067]

It was going to be scrapped but yeah

[@leonflechette993]

Something to consider is just how little the van actually crumples. Any energy the car doesn't soak up goes straight into the people in it.

[@tiktok51]

I drive a passat like that and i feel quite safe in it

[@FaBB10_FS24]

U still have it?

[@tiktok51]

Dont have it any more, now driving Audi A8, but my friend has my old passat, and its a realy reliable car

[@FaBB10_FS24]

@@tiktok51 ok you're still alive.

[@stumpusMaximus]

That’s because you haven’t hit anything yet 😂 I feel quite safe in my car,bus,plane,ship etc. until it goes wrong

[@bogosavljevicvideo]

In Serbia they would fix that passat afterwards and sell it as a "first color, accident free"

[@mirkojoksimovic3456]

Srecko Bogosavljevic istina

[@Ronnie5450]

In Poland also ;) add non smoking last owner 😂

[@damjanoviic]

Veoma istinito..

[@vladmoldo7870]

in Romania same

[@draganamirkovic-najvecazvi9820]

@@vladmoldo7870 U Bosni će reći da je garažiran.. 😂 😂 Vidi nas Balkanaca, ne možemo jedni bez drugih

[@MykpCoUk]

"These are vans" Well thanks for clearing that one up Fifth gear. All these years I've been driving I wondered what they were called!

[@TheWelshGamer]

I knew someone would think that.

[@lenasilk5832]

mykpdotcodot

[@michaeldiehl2458]

Lol

[@jbizzle1998Rt]

Damn Daniel, back at it again with the white van

[@omardude39]

+Jbizzle 1998 HAHAHAHAHAHA THAT WAS GOOD.

[@cure7558]

XD

[@zdrux]

Moral of the story: Don't transport bags of sand in the back.

[@SIMcityplayer2002]

One stupid idea.

[@mrdojob]

zdrux Moral of the story is don't use chipboard as a partition between you and your 1 ton cargo.

[@saimazakir1926]

zdrux o

[@foxdmulder]

Moral of the story: Always strap down unsecured loads!

[@kkvwws37991]

zdru I

[@britneyarmyalwaysforever5341]

"These're called vans." Wow, I see them everywhere, I always wondered what they were called 🙄

[@MissCircleSSSSS]

Titus Mercado already mentioned idiot

[@britneyarmyalwaysforever5341]

You guys are too kind! :)

[@Curryw0rst]

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[@swordfish1986]

Are they really called vans? You sure?

[@britneyarmyalwaysforever5341]

swordfish1986 The internet knows everything! ...sarcasm intended...

[@magna59]

I watched van testing for internal load movement at MIRA in the early 80's ( 83 I think ) . You have to be impressed how the industry has avoided doing anything .

[@crpth1]

Well, in "EU" Europe bulkhead protection in vans as been a reality for decades... In fact memories of vans without bulkhead protection goes back to the 80's!! They all come with it. It's that simple! ;-) Third world countries type of behavior, seems to be reserved for USA and UK! And of course the third world countries themselves. LOL 😂

[@asm101999]

I was in a Safari van at a red light, when a 2002 Honda Accord hit me from behind going 50-55. I am still suffering from it. The Honda however only had a few scratches on it. The Safari van was totaled. Very surprising results.

[@SIMcityplayer2002]

"Just a few scratches..." I don't think so...

[@asm101999]

SIMcityplayer2002 i don't remember you being there.... you going to apologize now?

[@dazednconfusedrn]

@@asm101999 7 years and still no apology 😔

[@salvatoreaversa1145]

I had to do deliveries for my workplace a year or so back while another employee was on medical leave. Driving a typical Chevy van, I had a payload of heavy steel in the back. Coming down a hill, I had to slam on the breaks when a car ran a light. I was able to stop, but the load didn't. It kept moving until it slammed into the back of my seat. There was no barrier between the back and the front. It was absolutely jarring. It cracked the bottom of my seat. It killed my back.

[@zaphr89]

Salvatore Aversa That sounds terrifying. Were you injured?

[@gosportjamie]

+Salvatore Aversa Yes that is a bad situation, and it's not just in vans. Something heavy in the boot of a car can break through the rear seats in a collision and inflict severe or fatal injuries on the driver and passenger. I hope your whiplash recovers quickly and completely...

[@bonapartist]

+Salvatore Aversa Sorry for your injury mate, I personally turned down the delivery van driving duty at my old job because of this video and posts like yours, so at least some real good has come from your sharing your experience. Consider suing the living shit out of your employer.

[@whydoesgoogleletyouhavealo1263]

sorry to here that but look on the bright side it could of went through your body and killed you

[@gosportjamie]

If you drive a van carrying heavy items make sure that it has a proper, structural bulkhead between the load area and cab. It might save your life. If the van doesn't you can always refuse to drive it...

[@davegtar]

bloody hell, I lost a friend 5 years ago, to exactly the same kind of crash and same vehicles and surprising the same speed and head on... this was incredible to see

[@afflatusfunambulate4333]

4:40 him: ''man that's not going to polish out." Horn:(honks) don't listen to him!

[@zotzotzot]

the van looks safe for me ~

[@tom_goorden3712]

R.I.P. passat

[@adammcfart7253]

@huzdro yes rip

[@timfordfalconxf7714]

This is why am a ford fan. The ford transit got five stars. And looks awesome for a van.

[@xgamerbih]

Well I feel sorry for the Passat, you ruined a top A grade looking passat, with a highline equipment! GJ!

[@nigelbraunig8859]

Hahaha really, VW's are garbage. Good riddance

[@xgamerbih]

@@nigelbraunig8859 not really no. Maybe your american market ones built in Mehico, but our german ones are sure good. Had multiple VWs all serving good. Both home and commercial use ones

[@dravozrvatsky8597]

​@@xgamerbih other than highline is shit

[@patrickd9050]

It’s painful

[@Dayone92]

@@xgamerbih scrappers these days

[@migraeneolufsk]

3:25 you can actually see when the sand hit the back of the seats. It makes the van travel a bit further

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I agree. You can see that the rear wheels of the van already stopped and then started to go forwards again.

[@seanfenwick]

I had a Fiat Ducato and I loved it! Safe as houses compared to a car. My safety cage did take a hit from 1ton IBC when I had to a safety manoeuvre. Also it should be tied down. The load should stay in position locked up against the floor step.

[@freetasman2342]

Why the cargo was not secured! It is not the van design fault it is the person that loaded the van.

[@JohnJohn-hd3qu]

Fifth Gear, known for its staged crash tests

[@vikingvic]

straps? all cargo vans have tie down points in the back. they just lumped the bag in the back. if the sand bag was in the front against the plywood it wouldnt need to be secured either. also the impact would have been alot worse for the car.

[@jordansolomon7119]

@Mathieu Morin anyone with common sense would tie cargo back kind of like what they sid with the pickup and the lorry

[@j.f6774]

. ..

[@j.f6774]

Ffd

[@jacobg.witmer]

This is exactly why I love Ford so much! They're so safe! :)

[@kidnamedfingerreal]

Not the best tho

[@An_inquisitive_thinker]

I'm impressed with how well that primitive van bulkhead actually held. It's just a piece of plywood against back seats hit by that unsecured bag of sand. Imagine how strong is manufacturer's installed modern bulkhead plus if you secure your cargo to floor anchorage point.

[@Nderak]

"The Ford Transit managed a 5 star, the other couldn't beat a measly 3" Murica! IIHS and NHTSA are the reason for the season!

[@MrSupercar55]

Except out there they don't use the Transit because Ford also make the Econoline, as used by the A-Team. I pity the fool!

[@BitestheStuff]

"These are Vans." Those Vans must be made for the feet of giants!

[@dzenan9331]

4:27 I would take that wheel cover for my friend's Sprinter xD

[@crescentandstarglory]

A perfectly nice Passat was wasted. And it held up well.

[@pategamer33]

But it need test it is safe

[@drekipookiebear]

It looked crap anyways

[@danielchirila5001]

Also a lot of vans in the uk don’t have a wood border Actually ones that only carry lighter things Most vans have a very good structural metal border between the cab and the cargo area that can usually hold more than 1 ton of a crash happens

[@killianwalsh6334]

Back then only new vans had that

[@toppledgod]

I notice that the van stopped initially, then moved again when the sand hit the back of the seat.

[@cnwd3295]

Oh my, that is not good

[@vikingvic]

had the load been strapped down it would have had a much worse impact on the car. what do you expect the van obviously weighs 2-3 times more

[@XKRSpartanRemixer]

4:45 lol

[@xloebx]

+XKR1200 :D

[@БоянБойчев-ъ1ъ]

хххъъъъхъъъ

[@chef204]

nxbxbhbih

[@omardude39]

+XKR1200 "that's freaky". Haha

[@mariusmoza2202]

Omar Smith barbi

[@maksymilianolchowy9543]

Good passat

[@vistron888]

A 1 ton load of sand is not "a typical payload", no way. You get sand like that delivered off a truck with a crane. Rarely do builders carry it.

[@Daumex]

They meant a 1 tonne cargo is a typical payload, not sand.

[@vistron888]

Nor would 1 ton of anything be typical be it sand or other materials. There would be a substantial difference in damage on what you're carrying even if the weight was the same as a whole.

[@randy109]

You are right. I've worked with Contractors and hauled everything imaginable. Once I shoveled about 800 pounds of decorative rock into a nearly new Ford 1/2 ton pickup. Almost drug the tail and could have busted the suspension quite easily. A full TON of sand would break the back of almost any full sized pickup or van. "Ratings" are sometimes quite wishful thinking in the real world.

[@potatogaming2970]

Topical payload : A ladder, some other shit, and some stuff on shelves ,like hammers weedwackers and knifes

[@vikingvic]

big vans can carry 2000kgs of cargo without much problem

[@enemay]

Such a good test, but I have to say it seems you didn't set up enough camera's specially for the interior facing the dummy.

[@alfa_guy09]

0:39 oh thank you for that useful information I would have never have known that! Yeah right

[@007211sam]

I've been in a 60mph head on crash in a volvo s60, around the same age as that passat, i was in the backseat and just walked away, just had a little bump on my head

[@classiccarsengland6083]

This made me cry l love golf cars R.I.P

[@jondoe5482]

If you want even more OOMPH! on your winch, switch that 7.4 for the '96 L29

[@gearjammer3688]

Glad to have a full, solid bulkhead in my transit.

[@ishouldgetalif3]

Vauxhall Movano, also known as Opel Movano and Renault Master. same thing diffrent badge. you see this alot when it comes to Commercial vehicles Pegheot and Citroen has had a similar relationship with Fiat for years now.

[@AnthonytheLucario]

Rip van 2001-2014

[@cnwd3295]

RIP car 2001-2014

[@cnwd3295]

RIP van occupants ?-2014

[@xalataf3365]

R.I.P. Passat occupant ?-2014

[@chris77777777ify]

That’s why Vans & HGV’s have slower speed limits than cars & coaches.

[@chrishart8548]

I hate the fact my transit connect is also limited to van speeds limits it's lighter and smaller than most cars and the brakes are better.

[@emreevo8]

I needed that Passat...

[@KittyTheCat_]

Damn Daniel, Back at it again with the white "vans"

[@gewoontimm]

a good van driver knows that the load needs to be against the barrier and Always needs to be strapped down, i knew from the start when they put in that big bag of sand that would happen... if they put the bag more towards the barrier or against the barrier ther would be more weight on the frontwheels and that would press the nose down a bit more and than you had a bit less chance for the van to override the passat.. but still it would push the passat back like this because of the totall mass of the van + load...

[@самиррахманов-р4ш]

буйгни амигаскай

[@premiumaxel]

one of my mates knows a guy who drove head on into a building, he was driving a Ssangyong Rexton, a big 4x4 thingy. he hit a steel pillar in the building at about 85 mph, he walked away from the accident, but there was several screwdrivers stuck in the dashboard beside him, they came from an open toolbox in the back of the car.

[@bartom309]

85 mph hit a steel pillar and he walked away from the accident ? I seriously doubt it .

[@SIMcityplayer2002]

Not possible, unless it was a very weak steel pillar, or... well, that's all that could have saved him from being crushed and getting his brain + other internal organs crushed and smashed against his bones.

[@premiumaxel]

well if it wasnt posible then he wouldnt be alive today, nobody ever said that there was no luck involved.

[@SIMcityplayer2002]

You didn't even read my comment!

[@bartom309]

Dude, at 85mph there would be nothing left from that vehicle but forget about that. The g force alone would kill him instantly.

[@eclampsium]

Thanks for showing us that!!!

[@louiswalsh2762]

When the horn went off I pissed my self his reaction 😂

[@MrSupercar55]

I think the wiring might have been damaged and squashed up against twisted metal, thus altering the circuitry to omit the horn switch in the collision, meaning the horn was stuck on.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I was surprised that they hadn't removed the car battery before the crash. The battery acid is nasty stuff.

[@marekpalczynski3375]

Очень реалистичные краш-тесты :)

[@RazoRPoWeR]

rip passat -_-

[@GamezGames19]

cant they set up a fucking camera

[@AlexanderLindell]

Why ruin a nice Passat?

[@Lunar_Capital]

Safety reasons?

[@Zero_Ninety]

Al Bundy Indeed. Should have used something shit like a Vectra.

[@fevgo303]

ولد الشحي Passat as a "most common car"? Where you live? Dubai?

[@fevgo303]

Nope, maybe only in Germany (though 3 series are as common as well).. your country is rich..

[@Twinzh]

Al Bundy in norway its a lot of passats but vw golf is the most common car here

[@TheMijman]

THIS is what new Top Gear should be like

[@Landie_Man]

The old one was! (Pre 2003)

[@carcrashescompilationvideo1286]

Wow, so amazing Van Crash.

[@sahteduzdunya4676]

please test old cars airbag for example 1996 ford mondeo ghia crash test, and we can see if airbag explode.

[@chrishart8548]

Crashing a car that old now the airbag would probably make little difference.

[@sahteduzdunya4676]

@@chrishart8548 thanks you are right

[@TheManLab7]

Get in there transit!!

[@rafapolej4473]

do you know something abut crash test of alfa romeo 166?

[@ogreunderbridge5204]

That is why you strap down and secure your payload, lugnut. No matter what vehicle you put it in. Exact same will happen rear to front of a "lorry" if you give your cargo allowance to slide.

[@phoenixeagle462]

I'm curious if that 7.4 L V8 Chevy pickup may be an American import to the UK.

[@Landie_Man]

100%

[@lanehogger1532]

4.46 he proper shits himself when the horn goes off 😂

[@davidhayes4814]

I really rate Fifth gear crash videos. I drive a Boxer Camper and I reckon the furnishings would not be safe in a serious accident..... better drive safely then !

[@danielmolineux3644]

How to protect yourself from whiplash? You wouldn't have been able to get whiplash 7 times if I had of protected myself from it.

[@Bombermann97]

in regular use until yesterday....the front left brake disc is full with rust....seems the car stood a bit longer.....

[@GlossaME]

Don't believe everithing you see on TV kids.

[@Bombermann97]

i dont. Thats why wrote my comment :D

[@GlossaME]

Point made for the other viewers. You stand correct ;).

[@lizzettereyes9947]

when i just saw the intro i instantly subscribed

[@andrewsstation6436]

I’m sure despite the seat belts and airbags the driver in the smaller vehicle would have been killed instantly because since the car was going fast then suddenly going backward, massive internal injuries will result.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

The fact that the Ford van did well didn't surprise me, most Fords seam to be ahead of other American cars. I have a 1998 Ford Windstar and I watched a small overlap test of one and it fared better then some new cars. They didn't even test for things like small overlap in 98! To be fair though, the F150 pickup did terrible at small overlap until 2004 so I'm not going to be a blind fan boy and say that all Fords are safe. Doubt anyone will know what I am talking about anyway though since I am an United Statesian (this is why we just use American) commenting on a British show.

[@kenzieedward7583]

in my opinion all vans should have a metal wall between the seats and the land area

[@kenzieedward7583]

load area . its better protection

[@randomshitking-rsk9041]

+EpicbigM xx we had a van and that had a metal wall between the cabin and rear load space and also had a car ram us off the road a few weeks ago and because everything was bolted down securely not much apart from screws moved apart from a box of tools which snapped the wood, without the wall no doubt we would have been hurt by the tools in the rear.

[@kenzieedward7583]

+RandomShitKing - RSK which ever family member bought that van was clever and wise to buy one With a solid metal wall

[@kenzieedward7583]

+EpicbigM xx they are a whole lot safer if you have heavy loads in the back

[@JaidenJimenez86]

+EpicbigM xx They do - nowadays anyway. I've not driven a van older than 5 years and they all have metal bulkheads.

I'm a white van driver from time to time but I drive considerable careful driving. Shocking result of the crash. Be careful out there

[@Sciron]

Why didn’t they say anything about the passat

[@amwap12]

I'll take the van

[@cnwd3295]

I'll take the car

[@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017]

wuf wuf wuf

[@type3666]

The best Passat , the B5 and B5.5 🤘🇩🇪

[@badman5065]

GOOD Opel Movano

[@hebneh]

I just noticed that a little spray of sand comes out through the top of the van's sliding door just after the impact.

[@iLOLZU42]

That shit`ll buff out.

[@mgrlife7416]

+William Kolt no way..

[@jacksonbeauchamp2948]

+William Kolt we already on the same page

[@warvanwaliwarvanwali7158]

paf

[@blossomutonium8985]

@Fith Gear Someone didn't rear crash test the new 2021 Ram 1500. Will you do it please? It will be for the next Crash Test Month, which will be "Crash Test Month: Car into the rear end of the new Dodge Ram 1500 pickup.

[@akamiguelsanchez9985]

He’s the most 2000s looking bloke I’ve ever seen

[@grefxd5433]

I NEED MORE CRASHES TEST

[@BluePixelGaming]

So in this particular type of impact, the occupants of the car would have been worse off as the car was pushed backwards on impact. This is assuming that the van had no load in the rear and air bags fitted.

[@cnwd3295]

Yes, but that didn't happen and also the van was carrying 1000kg of extra force. I have a feeling everybody would die in this situation.

[@makssila3572]

and what was the speed during the collision?

[@chrishart8548]

Shame they weren't going faster they both did fine really.

[@Landie_Man]

Both going 40mph

[@mahawiryasantoso5689]

The Volkswagen Passat is the best and also the safest car. The van is a heavy vehicle, unless the van is modern and have crumple zone but the driver will be serious injury by the cargo after impact with the car.

[@cxp7991]

Interesting, however I would have liked to seen it against something like a Transit. The Movano wasn't a big seller but there are thousands of old Transits on the road.

[@terrificspokesman7416]

The Vivaro sold much more numbers than the Movano but yeah there are so many old Transits on the road especially in Southampton

[@IvanZehirov]

where is the video of the same cars different hight test ?

[@ThePlowGuys]

Great video.

[@scrapyardwarriorvlogging]

My mate's dad works for the company who supplied the bags of sand in the back of the van!

[@volcano2388]

how did you start your channel?

[@hebneh]

Well, of the 6 vans described in the beginning, only two brands are sold in the US. So the bad ratings don't affect most Americans.

[@marcosirito8906]

This passat is old, very old, but is good.

[@marcosirito8906]

The security of passat is good.

[@MaximilianvonPinneberg]

The Transit was a new model, there is now a brand new Vauxhall/Renault. Also, vans get redesigned at a longer rate than passenger cars (12 year cycle as opposed to 6/7 years) so the ability to build in the latest technology is a lot quick in car design.

[@helivesonforever]

Martin Jones Vans in america have been built well since the late 80's and early 90's. Ford econoline was the flagship. Hell, it was so good that ford made it for 20 years.

[@MaximilianvonPinneberg]

***Classified*** Really, because the Ford Aerostar my parents hired in the early 90s was a pile of junk. I doubt commercial vans were any better. The Aerostaer definitely was not as god as the Espace, which was the school run car I used daily.

[@MaximilianvonPinneberg]

***Classified*** All I can say is that the Sierra my Dad had was a pile of poo. Constantly broke down and rotten in 3 years.

[@helivesonforever]

Martin Jones GMC Sierra? I have its twin, the silverado with a quarter of a million miles on it. Best vehicle ever.

[@MaximilianvonPinneberg]

***Classified*** No, a Ford Sierra, 1.6, 75bhp, manual windows and 2 wave radio cassette. no idea what a GMC is. Weren't they something to do with Chrysler or Renault in the States?

[@johnnyvvlog]

I know how unsafe they are. I had a had on collision between my Citroen Berlingo and a Renault Espace last year at just 30mph. I still have pain in my shoulder after a year. The worse part is that the airbags in the Espace were deployed while none of them were in my less than 1 year old van. The A pillar was completely deformed and the dashboard was cracked in half. The doors couldn't be opened and I had to get out through the broken windows. The driver in the Espace just openen his door and got out easily. I don't want to imagine what would've happened if that was at 50mph instead of 30mph. Vans are very very unsafe.

[@cnwd3295]

My second cousin was critically injured when his dad's Transit rear-ended another car. Exactly what happened in this video - he was in the middle seat and the building materials flew forward. He was only 18 and he's never been able to work because he has so many brain injuries. He got a six-figure amount of compensation, though, and he's living quite well. They're complete death traps and I'm glad they've finally started being crash-tested.

[@Ltee28]

The Citroën Berlingo is a car based van, not a proper full sized one...

[@reaperdeathblossom4953]

No etracks, no ratchet straps this was a unsecured load.

[@ssssssss6889]

A 12 year old Renault van with a Vauxhall badge fitted.

[@mikeshon4138]

I also have a omni van 2003 model very safe

[@JaykSharma2210]

How much speed?

[@Overkillautoperf]

I just got a Passat 4motion last week turns out it was a high speed crash test vehicle that VW took it back and rebodied it and reissued the VIN .

[@iagoiglesiascalvo6775]

you can do it for mercedes c 220. 2004?

[@fatyowls]

Can't believe i'm watching this after being rear-ended by a 3 half tonne van, that's why HGV driver's put pallets at the rear of the cab as a buffer...

[@vikingvic]

most vans have bulkheads and lots of tie down points. lorry drivers do that so the forklift guys dont fuck the trailer too much

[@Morgimanstudios]

RIP poor Movano and Passat :(

[@Martin-xh1hd]

Thats why you need a metal wall thing to protect you from what ever is behind you

[@mikeuchiha5972]

Merry Christmas

[@pozeram]

it would be very interesting to see comparison of crash test e.g. regular Ford Focus vs. Ford Focus rally version reinforced with steel tube frames (as seen at WRC cars). If we really and seriously want to set a relevant rating (EURO NCAP is not), a top secured (5 star rated as most secured cars regarding crash tests) cars ought to be only cars with deformation zones as todays newest 5star car models, but indoor reinforced with steel tubes as WRC cars have. Please, if someone knows about crash test of such rally car, share it. Thank you.

[@aleosha1]

The problem with the safety of a roll-cage for everyday road use is that its only safer when used with other safety devises i.e helmet, racing seat and harness, fire retardant suit. Otherwise your bare head could hit the metal bars, you won't be able to escape the vehicle after a crash without assistance and jaws of life will not be as effective when the rescuers try to extricate you. But yes, there could be a compromise, where the roll cage is designed to work with side/curtain air-bags when no helmet is worn, doorways are clear of tubes etc. Vans and SUV would benefit the most with their roll-over risk and poor crash test results. Whatever safety measures are introduced, driver training and education is still the most important and effective aspect, something, as a motorcyclist, I cannot stress enough.

[@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20]

I think the tubeframes are most important in roll overs. While in a full stop head on crash like this (that almost never happens in a rally, because all people drive in the same direction), tubeframe alone doesn't do much, because the biggest problem usually is the high forces and high acceleration acting on people. In that way tube frame might even do worse, because crumble zones in modern vehicles make the crash softer like they are supposed to do. Rally drivers also wear a very good helmet, they have a special suit and gloves in hands and much better seat belts and seat than in a regular car. Rally drivers also sit closer to the middle of the car and lower. The car could be made stronger inside without tubeframes too, simply by increasing the material thickness, using stronger steel quality or perhaps using a totally different material. And modern cars are much stronger from the body than old cars were. :)