Crawler Canyon Quick(re)view: Hobbywing Fusion Mini 16

[@Driver86421]

Hmm, this could be the secret to running a Fusion where one normally wouldn't fit, providing an alternative to an outrunner.

[@JIPPERR_1]

The fluidity between metric and imperial weights is something I truly enjoy

[@areadierc2803]

Nice to see you trying one out , i have mini fusion in a my 4lbs 11 ounce rig on capra axles with 36% overdrive . It gets warm but not hot, get 40mins out of 650mah 3s . Rgt have a rebrand version that is 2200kv in a rtr truck . Should be available soon once parts are available Traxxas make 10t 48dp pinion with 2.3mm bore. Trx7645

[@lastcreations8845]

what total gearing ? post up a vid on your channel

[@areadierc2803]

@lastcreations8845 front axle fdr 49, rear axle 70/1. 11tooth on a dlux portal transmission. I do have a 10t pinion on the way

[@lastcreations8845]

@@areadierc2803 Thank you i was curious. and looked up that RGT, as long as they give full access to all the adjustments that 2200 definitely fits more of my builds better, curious if power will be down some though, great tip

[@nicholasshubert239]

You can get an adapter tube for the 2mm pinion for 3.17 and run as low as a 9t pinion Also a non overdrive dlux trans has 380 mount points on it!

[@CrawlerCanyon]

You can also drill out 2mm LaTrax pinions.

[@thindigital]

This may be the dream motor for Danchee Ridgerock owners now metal gears are available.

[@jrfishes]

I have one of these in an Element Ecto 12 and it is just ridiculously snappy. It throws that little truck around!

[@lastcreations8845]

hobbywing sells the motor mount adapter for this motor. sub 5lb i think is safe especially keeping rotating mass down. I hear a flyweight skid forward portal rig ( 10 pro portal ?) in the works with talking about getting more of these motors :) great test

[@FeralRC]

We put our Mini 16s in our ECX Temper and UTB18 using their OE pinions. It's been over a month and they're doing great except for the pesky off throttle delay. It only happens at full throttle to zero throttle. No heat issues whatsoever. I'm considering getting the adapter plate and putting one in a 12th scale RGT or even our Team Associated CR12 we just got (new old stock).

[@Bonitacreekrcs]

Mr.c, I took apart my gold dig box and it still had the blue grease and it had tons of dirt in it,so I cleaned it and it shifts a little better,it has tons of play in all the shafts inline with the dig unit. I spaced the servo more in line with the dig lever. What’s the dry slide you use and how do you get rid of all the slop in the lower shafts?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Go one place at a time. Are the shafts loose in the bearings, or are the bearings loose in the housings? Is the dig part attached to the output gear tight on the shaft, and parallel to the sliding dog? You're in the place where you find out that a gearbox is $30 because you get to do the work to make it proper. A $300 all-Vanquish dig box is smooth out of the package. I was using Dri-Slide Bike Aid, which you can get at any bike shop. I believe that all of the Dri-Slides are the same, as I'm now using Multi Purpose, and it looks and feels identical.

[@Bonitacreekrcs]

@ most of the play is end to end,the shaft that the front driveshaft bolts to slides about 1-1.5mm. The shaft that the rear driveshaft bolts to moves almost 2mm. How do you shim it and what shims do you use?

[@The_RC_Family]

Happy birthday Mr C 🎉 You beat me to this one 😊

[@tiborbeetles1882]

I was wondering if these would work on a Bully 2 as twin MOA. I currently have twin Fusion SE1200kv which work ok but are very heavy and quite bulky. I hesitated that these would be too quick, but it looks to have good low speed control. Just need to check if I can get a 2.3mm 32pitch pinion gear that would fit.

[@TheOtherSock-728]

Happy Birthday 🎈

[@craigseary2368]

The absence of an adapter is nothing new, the r3 axe combo aimed at the scx6 also requires an adapter for the motor, not included, although they do sell one for it. This is a sweet option for lighter rigs and limited space.

[@RiceCrisp320]

Been waiting for this one!

[@TrafishAquatics]

Curious how this would do on a factory RGT Bronco, they come stock with a 380 motor on thier 10th scale trucks

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Really depends on the KV of the stock motor in the RGT. I really think HW was aiming at factory 2S power, but I refuse to give up 3S, so I had to gear WAY down.

[@neildaniels5443]

Appy Birthday Mr C 🎂

[@Gibsonlife573]

Dang happy birthday Mr C

[@brianmorrison2846]

Yes 🎉

[@davidconaway2830]

Perhaps a contender for a dual motor tranny, crawler?

[@thindigital]

Was about to mention....

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Oh, 100%. I was thinking of doing double Dlux Stumpy on a dual-motor gearbox, but two of these would be SO much easier.

[@KlimovIlya]

The only problem is that i think these dual gearboxes don't provide enough reduction for a 3000 kv mini ​@@CrawlerCanyon

[@davidconaway2830]

​@KlimovIlya you are right, for sure. I will have to find another application for these little motors.

[@JIPPERR_1]

HAPPPY BDAY MR C!

[@Br0rB]

I've been considering getting one, or more, of these. It would fit perfectly in some WPL rigs, but it's a bit too much to spend on rigs that basic. Would also be a perfect fit in the UTB18, but I already run an outrunner in there that works amazingly well. It does look really good though, and it's pretty cool that it works that well in a 10th scale. :)

[@ajustice2010]

im super curious how this would do, i see people doing dual motor / trans for dig, vs having the dig trans... the dual motors seems to be more reliable / faster/ smoother? ive yet to use one but this opens up a way cheaper route ....

[@PachezZ]

I converted one of my first RCs - 390 powered RGT 136100v3 to fusion SE 1850kv and its a bit slow, maybe its time to convert it back with stock gears and this one... Will use the SE in different rig :)

[@Bonitacreekrcs]

15:55 sometimes my arm falls so asleep that I lose all feeling and movement,it’s just paralyzed. I try not to do that😂

[@_Tim_Allan_]

Does anybody think that these could fit in a danchee ridgerock?

[@killerinstink9260]

Do you have a link for the pinion gear you used?

[@CrawlerCanyon]

AXI212016

[@killerinstink9260]

@CrawlerCanyon thx mr 🙂

[@markcole6475]

The little motor that could

[@mudduckon30s]

Hobbywing North America has the adapter plate I just ordered 2

[@sofakingscalerc4656]

was going to ask about the pinions, already have adapter plates just need 32pitch pinions. i dont think the kv translates the same in 380s.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

The speed says that 3000kv is 3000kv. I was geared 14/56 (4:1) with a 1470kv, and this geared 13/90 (~7:1) is significantly faster. My thinking is that they assume everybody is gonna run the lil' hardcase 2S that comes with every UTB18.

[@sofakingscalerc4656]

Oh man, i didn't realize how much reduction you had. So it is a fast motor.

[@Gibsonlife573]

Only reason why I say that you KV down and Gear Up is because like would it be the same pretty much as KV up gear down that's what I do anyway but I run smaller scale stuff might not affect the same way you got a lot longer of a length before you get to the axle blah blah blah I try to 2200 with a 142 and just was so close on 4S I really did like it but it just didn't have the same snappiness as my 4100 11

[@RiceCrisp320]

Looks like you found the motor for a trx4 axle paired to any 'normal' transmission.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Right? Take advantage of that 100:1 FDR.

[@rquino4210k]

Hmm I wonder how this would do in a metal buggy build? This would be perfect with the limited space

[@beng.6417]

very nice

[@Gibsonlife573]

Really you guys are running that little bitty motor and a 10th scale I didn't think you could do that

[@Bonitacreekrcs]

Howdy👊

[@Gibsonlife573]

Yeah but don't you pretty much KV Downing Gear Up wouldn't that still be the same as KV up and gear down

[@HenryN-we1yb]

Now test a Furitek Unity24 Pro in that. 🤣

[@HVT03]

Its cool for smaller scale, or 10th scale lighweight bois

[@Bonitacreekrcs]

34:33 since when is RC practical🤷🏼‍♂️😂

[@crawlercityrc]

morning gents😊

[@FaithSaraG]

You want to test if it can haul weight? Toss it in Woody.

[@BrandonMythigander]

Hellooooooo

[@lastcreations8845]

hello

[@AnySumptionBanter]

Dual moa rigs

[@twilliamrc4wd]

64pitch pinion

[@CrawlerCanyon]

Anyone putting a Mini16 on a 1/10 is almost certainly going to have to change pinion and spur at the very least-- so far as I have found, in 2.3mm bore, you can have 48P and Mod 0.5. 48P is so common I would call it ubiquitous, while Mod 0.5 (50.8 pitch) is such an oddball that I wouldn't even know where to source appropriate spurs. These days, 64P basically doesn't exist (as it only ever came on pan cars and sedans,) and I'm 99% sure you're not gonna find a 2.3 bore 64P pinion.

[@twilliamrc4wd]

@CrawlerCanyon 64 Patriots still existing for carpet track one 1/18 to 1:12 scale

[@SamStevens-vo9xx]

Yo

[@bengross4198]

So i dont follow the comp world, but is this a thing people are doing? I guess i get it for weight savings but idk. This seems to me like a turbo 4 vs. a v8. Power and torque may be the same but understressed vs. high strung seems like a legit arguement. Im all on board with fusions. Definitely the LS swap of the rc world. They just work, theyre affordable, reliable. Why not? Theyre ubiqitous, too common? F it, i already have the programmer. I tried different stuff and it just wasnt as good. Long story short, i love fusions but small scale stuff makes me feel weird so this falls in a really weird valley for me.

[@CrawlerCanyon]

OUtside of a competitive environment, I would classify this kind of thing as a "because you can, not because you should." There are no real advantages beyond the weight reduction-- which is significant-- but the 3000kv, weird pinions, adapter required, all make the Mini16 in a 1/10 kind of a thought exercise. The amount of drag brake it has for it's size is staggering, and the runtime compared to an AM32 setup nearly doubled. So the Mini16 makes some decent tradeoffs, but performance-wise doesn't do anything a Fusion SE won't do, with significantly less effort.

[@twilliamrc4wd]

64P