Crazy Cold Start Diesel Locomotive Engines and Sound

[@anonymike8280]

Flames. I'm not stupid. I want to see flames.

[@mahuba2553]

The flames, where are they, we need the flames

[@Enclaveuniverse]

Click bait Still great video

[@dennisyoung4631]

And, of course, *SOOT!*

[@Clarence_13x]

I came expecting flames…

[@loko450]

Нас обманули blyt

[@billmoran3812]

I’ve started many cold Diesel locomotives. Letting them struggle to start is really tough on the engine. The governor goes right to full fuel which is why the one or two cylinders that fire have such a severe knock. It’s possible to break a piston or bend a connecting rod that way. In the remaining cylinders not firing, the fuel that is injected but not burned cools the air charge making it difficult to get up to ignition temperature. This unburned fuel also washes the oil film off cylinder walls causing excess wear on the cylinder and piston. I’ve found it to be more effective to hold the layshaft in the no fuel position and crank the engine over for 15-20 seconds before introducing fuel. This gives a chance to build some heat in the cylinders. Often the engine will start much sooner this way, with less wear.

[@iffracem]

As an apprentice back in the '70's we got to play around with some really old diesels, huge hand cranked single and twin cylinders. Can't remember their brands, but one at least was a "Lister" The way to start them was to crank the flywheel as fast as possible with the cylinders set to NO compression, just to get momentum and some lube oil flowing. then quickly move the decompression lever to "high" compression to get them firing, and very quickly move the lever to "low" (more like "normal") to continue running. Getting the timing of the compression lever wrong resulted in some hilarious, and on rare occasions painful events. (hold the crank handle incorrectly and risk broken fingers, wrists and dislocated elbows) As you say, the engines shown here would benefit from being spun over without fuel to get the lube oil moving, and some heat into the combustion chamber. I'm surprised they didn't have an effective "pre-heater" for the incoming air as well. Have seen Eastern European operators soak a rag (and even a stripped corn cob) with diesel, remove the air filter, and hold it lit over the air intake. Very effective.

[@PeteBetter]

I thought I heard bad knocking. I assumed the engines must have been built for it.

[@mechanicman8687]

This is true on 6000 cid natural gas engines as well. Let them crank for 30 seconds to build some heat up otherwise too much moisture

[@themanmaschine]

Exactly! Diesels need heat!

[@vsvnrg3263]

@@iffracem , i saw your "pre-heater" method being used to start a loco in siberia on a tv show. you can count on siberians to know the best way to start a cold engine. ive seen how they start their cars too. build a fire on the ground under the engine.

[@pirobot668beta]

I see these mighty beasts and think of the millions of miles they have sailed on steel. Each one has soul of sorts...

[@sheep1ewe]

I am honestly impressed by the fact that those old macines just keeps going and going, almost no matter the circumstances.

[@bjoe385]

It’s all in the maintenance.

[@nevermindmyname9153]

I just want to point out, there was a Winter a few years ago in the UK where Modern Technology FAILED as it was so Cold. They not only brought out the old Diesels, but also the even OLDER Steam Engines to run the Rail Networks for a week or so in some areas.

[@sheep1ewe]

@@nevermindmyname9153 We had similar problems in Sweden with the new French locomotives arrived, they are normally good and reliable locos, but they where not really made up to standard to meet the Nordic winter in the beginning so they had to do a lot of changes to them before they could be put back to service, In northern Sweden there are still quite a lot of old 1970-80s (a few of them are even older) locomotives still running in active duty or serve as active backup, some of them simply because they where still in such good shape that they where bought up by other companies to be used as cargo trains. The old Swedish cargo locos where originally designed to met up to the standard for the old northern iron ore, i am not joking when i say that, that one can certainly even be worse than the Canadian coastline during the winter...

[@bartsshorts]

when theres no air left in the atmosphere the engine wont be able to run

[@leokimvideo]

The trick to starting a stubborn Diesel is let a bit of flame go down the inlet manifold. That quickly warms them up to do their usual combustion process

[@Tactikill44]

Ha

[@kimchong74]

@@Tactikill44 hello leokimvideo

[@MrRichard57000]

perkins used flame start on there engines,there was a glow plug inside the inlet and when you started them 1st you had to glow 15-30 sec and then when you cranced it diesel was injected by the diesel pump.

[@bernieyt1154]

@@MrRichard57000 you kinda a year late but yeah

[@hesgotamotor8288]

Drop a match down there and open the throttle

[@ottospalt4892]

Are these the Volkswagen tests for the chips that regulate the emissions? It looks good, so that the climate goals can be achieved.😁😁😁🙈🙈👍

[@paki188]

Sadly

[@ferencszathmary9689]

That's all bs. Artificial scandal to German automakers. If US cannot make and sell decent cars abroad, then they will try to ruin the reputation of others who can make and sell. Just look how many German cars roam in the US and how many US cars roam in Germany.

[@ottospalt4892]

@@ferencszathmary9689 I drive a US car from 1988 Chrysler convertible And that for 26 years. US import with special approval for European roads. There are many cars in Europe from GM Opel. The problem with American luxury cars is the procurement of spare parts. The taxes for muscle cars and power of the engine. But I think any Lincoln or Cardilac can compete with Mercedes on quality as well.

[@ferencszathmary9689]

@@ottospalt4892 Where do you live?

[@ottospalt4892]

@@ferencszathmary9689 Germany😃

[@timgreen4137]

The thumbnail isn't a cold start. It's a hot fire!!!!

[@Danger_mouse]

All these locos have one thing in common, great starters 😁👌

[@billmoran3812]

Actually most of the older locomotives don’t have a starter. The main generator has a starting winding which is used to crank over the engine.

[@louisc.gasper7588]

The last clip was ruined by link tiles overlaid on it. Put some extra "empty" space at the end.

[@juniorcasat7859]

May reve this yis toma no cu

[@filipthetrainguy4723]

@@juniorcasat7859 COME ON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU

[@jhsevs]

If you're watching on mobile, you can tap and hold on the video and pull it down slightly to get rid of the stupid end cards.

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

Install adblock plus. Then you can block elements. I really hated those idiotic cards, but with adblock plus you just block them.

[@MrThedwp]

@@JohnDoe-bd5sz you know you only have to go into the settings of the video and turn off annotations to get rid of them. But yes I agree as Adblock Plus is brilliant and a must have

[@trevorv8860]

i love when the switch of sound when the cylinders start to get some heat in them

[@kenc3288]

Love the smell of diesel exhaust in the morning.

[@robindeath7568]

Love how the engineer at 1:07 sticks his head up to see just how much smoke he's generating!

[@TRPGpilot]

in a residential area non the less lol

[@ThePostal67]

So glad to see ad posted covering over the last engine starting. Money is more important

[@esurcylimaf4335]

Stupid hey...It makes me mad when most "tubers do that now.

[@Gus1966-c9o]

This thing creates its own weather systems

[@jimzeleny7213]

Lighthouse diesel gensets used to be run for 6 hour shifts. Later this was changed to continuous operation with two extra engines as backup. They would just let the engine run until it died. Lots of stress while the engine pounds away getting up to speed. This method pretty well eliminated the daily pounding.

[@w.rustylane5650]

Love to hear those old diesels starting up. Thanks for posting.

[@CarsandEngines]

Thanks for watching :) more videos comming soon

[@spiritualawake2984]

I used to work on a lot of a model 3512 cats, 16v92 screaming eagle detroit's, and Cummins v12 mechanical. Nothing like those old barges, screaming eagles like to run away and come apart

[@bubblebfb756]

@@spiritualawake2984 Wait What are you talking about? We talking about train

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

Strangely, the BR Class 25 seemed to have by far the easiest time starting.

[@class87srule]

Probably the best maintained. Beats me how the batteries sustain the output to turn over the engines.

[@hoover3554]

Ian McKinnon they all sound bad because they’re cold, not necessarily badly maintained, the reason some sound better than others is because they’ve been cold less

[@mike5162]

@@class87srule they use air starters

[@CreRay]

Not strange at all, the Sulzer engines have a much higher compression ratio than most others. It makes them more efficient but heavier and more expensive, more than double the cost of a comparable English Electric engine if I recall correctly.

[@SvenTviking]

The Deltic went pretty quick.

[@paulnicholls8683]

Sittimg in my living room in Canada. I think I can smell that exhaust

[@alexneufeld2738]

is Justin Trudeau gonna charge a carbon tax on that too?

[@sahanmadhawag]

Hey cold start gang 🤗

[@adrievanbeek6114]

Respect voor de mensen die dit in stand houden! Prioriteit nr. 1 zou voor mij zijn, het kunnen lichten van de klep van cilinder nr.1. Wat een beestenwerk is het om zo te tornen! 👍🏻

[@paulvanderhaegen761]

that is exactly the way i starup up in the morning but whit less smoke.

[@marystrouth4744]

Now I think I learned how the early Starship Enterprise got its distinctive warp engines sound from!

[@gmanchurch]

I love to hear big direct injection Diesel engines crank up on cold mornings! All of that smoke and flames is beautiful and that knock is like music to my ears!

[@kevinducharme1263]

I've seen some diesel engines that used a 'pony' engine to get them turning over to the initial starting RPM's.

[@vernonmatthews181]

I remember Caterpillar doing that since at least the 1930's.

[@kevinducharme1263]

@@vernonmatthews181 I've never seen one but it sounds like you have. they couldn't have been very big, were they? my original comment should have read "heard of some diesel engines"

[@vernonmatthews181]

@@kevinducharme1263 The one I saw was in 1977 in New Zealand, it was a Vtwin that started a 1938 Caterpillar 6x4 Grader, I can still remember it starting up & the two huge levers that allowed the smaller engine to engage the flywheel of the parent engine, the engine partially exposed both sides was a long stroke 4 cylinder diesel. 😎👍👌

[@kevinducharme1263]

@@vernonmatthews181 man, you old-school guys rule!

[@vernonmatthews181]

@@kevinducharme1263 Hey thanks brother, have a great day ! 😎👍👌

[@mikekean8344]

It's good to know there are a few of the old class 37s still out and about.

[@peteotoole8383]

I hear one regularly in Hull sound to be savoured and a sight to behold

[@jstbig1]

Yes we will need them when we get dirty bombed….

[@SuperAgentman007]

0:18 that’s one hell of a green Locomotive

[@klaus9714]

"One cold start is ~30 normal starts"

[@OwenMessenger]

2:45 you can hear the cams hitting the rocker arms

[@EATSLEEPDRIVE2002]

How so? It’s just a starter cranking

[@sargentdoggo297]

Sufiya H. Yeah she needs to be looked over that was very knocky even for a diesel

[@alanmckeown5377]

Greta would love this upload

[@24934637]

Beautiful! Partly because of the old technology that is still working, and partly because it makes Greta Thunderburg cry!

[@West.Ham1964]

I feel I need to go and plant 100 trees now after watching this.

[@nicolai8820]

the first train is the ceo of climate change himself

[@vangarcia419]

Beautiful....Thank You for Not Talking..

[@CarsandEngines]

Do you like these Cold Starts ?

[@leandropalacio9071]

Yes

[@KramarEmil]

Yes, of course

[@CarsandEngines]

Thank you ;)

[@TeroTikkinen]

Yes

[@auaiao9]

Yes!

[@Micha-pd8kv]

Greta is crying while watching these xDD

[@paulhunter123]

i cant see how this is good for the environment personally

[@davebox588]

It's a shame the deltic clip couldn't have lasted longer. Love that distinctive warble.

[@24934637]

Me too. Had one rumble past me years ago when I was a kid walking along the track, felt the heat from the engine, smelled the fumes and oil. Such a powerful beast.....So huge, at least compared to me age 6 anyway.

[@anthonywilson4873]

Three crankshafts in a triangular format, two spinning one way and the remaining the other way. An 18 cylinder two stoke diesel with opposed piston design. Each bore had two pistons in it with a crankshaft at either end injector in the middle and inlet and exhaust port at opposing ends of the cylinder and it was supercharged. Quite an advanced engine and unique sound!

[@invisiblekid7374]

I’ve always wondered what kind of power they use to crank these big engines over for so long? I’d almost have to assume some use something other than a set of batteries to crank these engines over!

[@invisiblekid7374]

That’s crazy! Sometime it seems like they crank for minutes at a time!!

[@realulli]

AFAIK, they use some small gasoline engine for that, like a V6 or V8.

[@beeble2003]

@@realulli I've never heard of a locomotive having a separate internal combustion engine to start the main engine.

[@realulli]

@@beeble2003 I don't know a specific model right now, but if you look into how to start the main engine, some are started pneumatically by blowing compressed air into the cylinders and cranking the engine that way. Some of those have an auxiliary engine to run generators and compressors to provide electricity and compressed air to the loco. The compressed air is then used to start. Some (if not all) airliners also have an auxiliary turbine, usually in the tail to provide power and compressed air ("bleed air") to the aircraft. The main engines have and air starter that is using bleed air from the aux turbine to bring the main engines up to ignition speed.

[@beeble2003]

@@realulli EMD SD70s use air-start but there isn't a separate engine to drive the compressor. The compressed air is stored in tanks that are charged by the main engine. If the pressure drops below a threshold (or the battery voltage drops), the locomotive auto-starts to top up the air/voltage. The locomotives I'm aware of that start electrically take it from batteries. I don't know of any locomotives that use a secondary engine to supply air or electricity for starting but, of course, that doesn't mean they don't exist (I'm only really familiar with the UK and USA).

[@Peterneuh]

"And‭ though‭ I bestow‭‭ all‭ my‭ goods‭‭ to feed‭‭ ‭the poor‭, and‭ though‭ I give‭‭ my‭ body‭ to‭ be burned‭‭, and‭ have‭‭ not‭ charity‭, it profiteth me‭‭ nothing‭.‭ ‭Charity‭ suffereth long‭‭, ‭and‭ is kind‭‭; charity‭ envieth‭‭ not‭; charity‭ vaunteth‭‭ not‭ itself‭‭, is‭‭ not‭ puffed up‭‭,‭ ‭Doth‭‭ not‭ behave itself unseemly‭‭, seeketh‭‭ not‭ her own‭, is‭‭ not‭ easily provoked‭‭, thinketh‭‭ no‭ evil‭;‭ ‭Rejoiceth‭‭ not‭ in‭ iniquity‭, but‭ rejoiceth‭‭ in the truth‭;‭ Beareth‭‭ all things‭, believeth‭‭ all things‭, hopeth‭‭ all things‭, endureth‭‭ all things‭.‭ ‭Charity‭ never‭ faileth‭‭ ..." (1 Corintias 13:3-8a)

[@trevortrevortsr2]

Now we know where VW got there emissions advice from : )

[@PedroLucas-hk3vo]

Indeed, EA189 still plagues my VAG engine..."#$* germans.

[@olegk455]

I love my VAG 3.0L diesel. Makes such glorious sounds that beast.

[@hibye2531]

@@PedroLucas-hk3vo HEY I AM A GERMAN I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT

[@schlookie]

Don't let the extinction rebellion see these.....

[@jurgenungerer2475]

Diesel geht immer 💪

[@ДмитрийРогозин-ф1в]

0:55 chaginton?

[@F-22-Raptor2R]

No a Thomas the tank engine

[@ArchieHWVideography]

@@F-22-Raptor2R no, its not

[@nomon95]

Flames are normal with the clag is inside the exhaust manifold:Because is very flammable,a spark light the clag and the result,,flames outside, but in some cases is better the clag burn, because go outside and is dangerous to inhale.

[@bonkeydollocks1879]

Clagg is the black smoke emitted from the exhaust and " not inside it"

[@motocomiot]

My old man did his National Service in the Royal Navy, he remembered starting Napier Deltic engined MTBs - they made so much black smoke tne hulls were repainted black (from grey) to disguise tbe sooty exhausts. They could run at 40 knots all day & night !

[@EstOptimusNobis]

In Canada we give the air inlet a short shot of starting fluid (ether). Starts like a charm. With CAT engines, you switch the glowplug on for 15-20 secs then start it.

[@edgarasvas]

On the seventh day God was'nt resting, he was making these locomotives

[@Tetra3Ne56scur]

2:38 The real Thomas the tank engine

[@Tetra3Ne56scur]

@Widget Drat interesting

[@nlo114]

37's run up nicely, must be warm already. 0:14 , 4:00 , 5:46 , Sounds like a blacksmith's convention!

[@restojon1]

They normally take a bit more persuasion than that, don't they.

[@damondamon2825]

Back at it again wooop

[@augustbilliau12321]

*3:17* when your train game has not loaded

[@EdWhisenantAviation]

"GREAT" footage, I really enjoyed watching 👍

[@sachetkk3828]

These explanation really make the video more interesting

[@robertbruce7686]

Class 37... surely the divas of cold start (tho that petite shunter was fun)?

[@benbrown2470]

I bet you don't get many likes from the greenies/climate extremists. I love it. Thanks for sharing.

[@fmrjk]

How are these engines cranked? Do they use a petrol donkey (e.g Caterpillar) or electric starter, or compressed air, or what? It looks like they are all using excess fuel starting, but are there other starting aids e.g.ether or inlet manifold flame devices?

[@暇人1号-w6o]

日本語で失礼、どの国製のエンジンでその当時のエンジンにはグロープラグは無かったのでしょうか？ あと、ディーゼルエンジン特有の煤煙が凄いですね。近いうちには公共機関のディーゼルエンジンにもアドブルーが使用されるのでしょうか？

[@MajSolo]

are they cranking these engines using battery power or have they started some auxiliary power unit?

[@mortimus687]

2:47 - sounds like the hyperdrive motivator's been damaged

[@kleetus92]

20V645 power plant, that is, 20 cylinders at 645 cubic inches per, 2 stroke. 3600 HP EMD SD45.

[@WadcaWymiaru]

Lucas copied that sound from REAL LIFE engines and slow-down them creating odd sound...

[@mike5162]

@@kleetus92 great engine. I’ve worked on lots of them. Very very simple and easy to work on EMD engines. Everything is just big and heavy.

[@BobSmith-mc7uq]

0:29 Train: Greta-Greta-Greta-Gretttttaaa-Gretttaaaaaaaaaa Breathe!!!!!

[@theravedaddy]

That psz still takes centre stage in german techno raves, ive seen the rave viking cranking it up.

[@guycar1012]

Title: Locomotive Crazy Cold Starts Thumbnail: locomotive on fire...

[@gettothepoint2707]

😝😝😝

[@ArunKumar-rd1bw]

0:33 from here, perfect eargasam 😌

[@alanbunker8844]

I DROVE Diamond T,s in the UK army in 1954 ,max weight 95 tons., Henshall Engine starting ok With the old 14 lt engine we used to heat in in coming air ,started ok even with hard frost. Best wishes, Alan Bunker.

[@hitop2365]

My old job, I had some generator sets V16 caterpillars, they had water jacket heaters and started more or less instantly. Would be certainly more efficient having water jacket heaters and a small generator to warm the loco engines up before starting.

[@georgethornton3461]

They would have to be some healthy block heaters, to warm 400 gallons of coolant.

[@czonczike630]

I think the M41's cold start is also interesting. That could have been on this list.

[@medwaymodelrailway7129]

Nice channel."thumbs up". diesel dave's .

[@51nw]

On the first one, what was that metallic banging sound? Was that actually like piston slap and/or rods knocking?

[@chillouterPL]

chyba w twojej dupie ten piston

[@CarsandEngines]

Where are you from guys ?

[@leandropalacio9071]

Argentina

[@CarsandEngines]

@@leandropalacio9071 Hi, to Argentine :)

[@munio1000]

Poland. We have this smokers too. Coal bricks from exhaust

[@CarsandEngines]

Live is even better :) and this monster sound is awesome

[@KramarEmil]

Ukraine

[@123TauruZ321]

I find these noises humorous ^^

[@RHYS-LOVES-YOU]

Amazing sounds❤❤❤❤

[@jetstream454]

Was the first video in Australia??

[@Saturn323_88]

Sounds Eastern European

[@jetstream454]

@@Saturn323_88 Hearing it again and seeing "Port Kembla" I'm more sure it's in Australia now

[@Saturn323_88]

@@jetstream454 looking back at this I am so confused at how I made the connection to Eastern Europe

[@jetstream454]

@@Saturn323_88 Haha some of the dialogue sounded sort of Eastern Bloc if you can't make out fully what they said, so that's understandable.

[@Arltratlo]

hm, the DR877 started public service on the May 15th 1933, not in 1935... the prototype was running in 1931, max speed of the train in public service was 160kph/100mph... ....no wonder it was called the fliegender/flying Hamburger ( thats a city in Germany, the train drove from Hamburg to Berlin )

[@svetozar73]

Слёзы радости на глазах греты тунберг )))

[@Stu-f592]

One cylinder said the the others: “bro, you feeling it today?”

[@stephenhursey1506]

You tease with a fire then you don't show no point in your vidio if you don't show the flameing train😢

[@holgerpentzien5923]

Thank you very much for these geil sounds. I love these Diesel sounds!

[@chapiit08]

Heavy metal at it's best.

[@mrstar666]

Somewhere greta’s having a meltdown 😂

[@mikekoglin8681]

Hello Greata!!!!!:D

[@tractorsmachinesro1405]

True raul therapy....I like it!!!!.....All the best from Romania

[@aramchaisukho604]

รถไฟประเทศใหนครับ

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

The ultimate green machine collection.

[@waynescaller110]

I would love to hear one of the diesel trains rumble down a track

[@joshmccoy-ji2sv]

subbed, great video1

[@i.gillette845]

Diesel are the best machines. They stink in the cold! But when they run .... they run...

[@glynnwright1699]

The pieces of rust falling off the Fowler added to the entertainment.

[@dondagy9109]

Anyone else notice the '55 fowler started the easiest?

[@muklisalisyahab9580]

I loved train because of it's engine sounds.

[@casibefa]

J'ai une pensée pour notre planète terre qui doit souffrir à chaque fois que ces machines démarrent. 😥😥😥

[@emilsobotka500]

Dieselová lokomotiva s mechanickým přenosem výkonu má tu nevýhodu, že ke startu používá starter. Dieselelekrtrická lokomotiva startuje pomocí trakčního generátoru. Úspěšný start proběhne během několika sekund!

[@haz2005]

That 37 is something we cant hate

[@gambeerSagr-ow2lj]

Extremely cold start with so difficulty that if I would have been trying to start I would pray & start

[@sadelsor]

Stopping them when over speeding, anyone got a video of that? now that is an adventure, I had a Sulzer over speeding because the governor linkage pins had been removed by a clever so called "inspector" he never isolated any start systems or informed anyone else his intensions, the engine was ruined, but made me look good in the eyes of my superiors when I got in there and stopped it, at OOC (London) in 1967.

[@MrRonan3]

Great video ruined by text on upper screen.

[@conek2]

4:00 sound like my upstrair neighbours at 4am.

[@joe125ful]

Euro 6 done:) Where is burning one!!!

[@CarsandEngines]

This is Euro 0 hehe

[@farbercasteel]

Rather Euro -10 🙈🙉🙊

[@piotrdorosz1169]

I don't know much about mechanics. Tell me please, what is so knocking in these engines when they are on start-up and do not run smoothly yet? :)

[@boryskrupa5102]

these engines feed plants all around the world!

[@philipancell516]

This is why you never shut down unless you are going to be gone or not need it for DAYS. It takes a while to get goin lol. Its 20 times worse if you are sitting inside of it and its 20 below outside waiting. Great heat once they're 🔥 goin.

[@stevescott6503]

where can I buy those batteries?