Crazy Cold Start Diesel Locomotive Engines and Sound

[@anonymike8280]

Flames. I'm not stupid. I want to see flames.

[@mahuba2553]

The flames, where are they, we need the flames

[@Enclaveuniverse]

Click bait Still great video

[@dennisyoung4631]

And, of course, *SOOT!*

[@Clarence_13x]

I came expecting flames…

[@loko450]

Нас обманули blyt

[@pirobot668beta]

I see these mighty beasts and think of the millions of miles they have sailed on steel. Each one has soul of sorts...

[@billmoran3812]

I’ve started many cold Diesel locomotives. Letting them struggle to start is really tough on the engine. The governor goes right to full fuel which is why the one or two cylinders that fire have such a severe knock. It’s possible to break a piston or bend a connecting rod that way. In the remaining cylinders not firing, the fuel that is injected but not burned cools the air charge making it difficult to get up to ignition temperature. This unburned fuel also washes the oil film off cylinder walls causing excess wear on the cylinder and piston. I’ve found it to be more effective to hold the layshaft in the no fuel position and crank the engine over for 15-20 seconds before introducing fuel. This gives a chance to build some heat in the cylinders. Often the engine will start much sooner this way, with less wear.

[@iffracem]

As an apprentice back in the '70's we got to play around with some really old diesels, huge hand cranked single and twin cylinders. Can't remember their brands, but one at least was a "Lister" The way to start them was to crank the flywheel as fast as possible with the cylinders set to NO compression, just to get momentum and some lube oil flowing. then quickly move the decompression lever to "high" compression to get them firing, and very quickly move the lever to "low" (more like "normal") to continue running. Getting the timing of the compression lever wrong resulted in some hilarious, and on rare occasions painful events. (hold the crank handle incorrectly and risk broken fingers, wrists and dislocated elbows) As you say, the engines shown here would benefit from being spun over without fuel to get the lube oil moving, and some heat into the combustion chamber. I'm surprised they didn't have an effective "pre-heater" for the incoming air as well. Have seen Eastern European operators soak a rag (and even a stripped corn cob) with diesel, remove the air filter, and hold it lit over the air intake. Very effective.

[@PeteBetter]

I thought I heard bad knocking. I assumed the engines must have been built for it.

[@mechanicman8687]

This is true on 6000 cid natural gas engines as well. Let them crank for 30 seconds to build some heat up otherwise too much moisture

[@themanmaschine]

Exactly! Diesels need heat!

[@vsvnrg3263]

@@iffracem , i saw your "pre-heater" method being used to start a loco in siberia on a tv show. you can count on siberians to know the best way to start a cold engine. ive seen how they start their cars too. build a fire on the ground under the engine.

[@sheep1ewe]

I am honestly impressed by the fact that those old macines just keeps going and going, almost no matter the circumstances.

[@bjoe385]

It’s all in the maintenance.

[@nevermindmyname9153]

I just want to point out, there was a Winter a few years ago in the UK where Modern Technology FAILED as it was so Cold. They not only brought out the old Diesels, but also the even OLDER Steam Engines to run the Rail Networks for a week or so in some areas.

[@sheep1ewe]

@@nevermindmyname9153 We had similar problems in Sweden with the new French locomotives arrived, they are normally good and reliable locos, but they where not really made up to standard to meet the Nordic winter in the beginning so they had to do a lot of changes to them before they could be put back to service, In northern Sweden there are still quite a lot of old 1970-80s (a few of them are even older) locomotives still running in active duty or serve as active backup, some of them simply because they where still in such good shape that they where bought up by other companies to be used as cargo trains. The old Swedish cargo locos where originally designed to met up to the standard for the old northern iron ore, i am not joking when i say that, that one can certainly even be worse than the Canadian coastline during the winter...

[@bartsshorts]

when theres no air left in the atmosphere the engine wont be able to run

[@leokimvideo]

The trick to starting a stubborn Diesel is let a bit of flame go down the inlet manifold. That quickly warms them up to do their usual combustion process

[@Tactikill44]

Ha

[@kimchong74]

@@Tactikill44 hello leokimvideo

[@MrRichard57000]

perkins used flame start on there engines,there was a glow plug inside the inlet and when you started them 1st you had to glow 15-30 sec and then when you cranced it diesel was injected by the diesel pump.

[@bernieyt1154]

@@MrRichard57000 you kinda a year late but yeah

[@hesgotamotor8288]

Drop a match down there and open the throttle

[@Danger_mouse]

All these locos have one thing in common, great starters 😁👌

[@billmoran3812]

Actually most of the older locomotives don’t have a starter. The main generator has a starting winding which is used to crank over the engine.

[@w.rustylane5650]

Love to hear those old diesels starting up. Thanks for posting.

[@CarsandEngines]

Thanks for watching :) more videos comming soon

[@spiritualawake2984]

I used to work on a lot of a model 3512 cats, 16v92 screaming eagle detroit's, and Cummins v12 mechanical. Nothing like those old barges, screaming eagles like to run away and come apart

[@bubblebfb756]

@@spiritualawake2984 Wait What are you talking about? We talking about train

[@timgreen4137]

The thumbnail isn't a cold start. It's a hot fire!!!!

[@ottospalt4892]

Are these the Volkswagen tests for the chips that regulate the emissions? It looks good, so that the climate goals can be achieved.😁😁😁🙈🙈👍

[@paki188]

Sadly

[@ferencszathmary9689]

That's all bs. Artificial scandal to German automakers. If US cannot make and sell decent cars abroad, then they will try to ruin the reputation of others who can make and sell. Just look how many German cars roam in the US and how many US cars roam in Germany.

[@ottospalt4892]

@@ferencszathmary9689 I drive a US car from 1988 Chrysler convertible And that for 26 years. US import with special approval for European roads. There are many cars in Europe from GM Opel. The problem with American luxury cars is the procurement of spare parts. The taxes for muscle cars and power of the engine. But I think any Lincoln or Cardilac can compete with Mercedes on quality as well.

[@ferencszathmary9689]

@@ottospalt4892 Where do you live?

[@ottospalt4892]

@@ferencszathmary9689 Germany😃

[@ThePostal67]

So glad to see ad posted covering over the last engine starting. Money is more important

[@esurcylimaf4335]

Stupid hey...It makes me mad when most "tubers do that now.

[@kenc3288]

Love the smell of diesel exhaust in the morning.

[@trevorv8860]

i love when the switch of sound when the cylinders start to get some heat in them

[@robindeath7568]

Love how the engineer at 1:07 sticks his head up to see just how much smoke he's generating!

[@TRPGpilot]

in a residential area non the less lol

[@gmanchurch]

I love to hear big direct injection Diesel engines crank up on cold mornings! All of that smoke and flames is beautiful and that knock is like music to my ears!

[@Gus1966-c9o]

This thing creates its own weather systems

[@louisc.gasper7588]

The last clip was ruined by link tiles overlaid on it. Put some extra "empty" space at the end.

[@juniorcasat7859]

May reve this yis toma no cu

[@filipthetrainguy4723]

@@juniorcasat7859 COME ON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU

[@jhsevs]

If you're watching on mobile, you can tap and hold on the video and pull it down slightly to get rid of the stupid end cards.

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

Install adblock plus. Then you can block elements. I really hated those idiotic cards, but with adblock plus you just block them.

[@MrThedwp]

@@JohnDoe-bd5sz you know you only have to go into the settings of the video and turn off annotations to get rid of them. But yes I agree as Adblock Plus is brilliant and a must have

[@paulnicholls8683]

Sittimg in my living room in Canada. I think I can smell that exhaust

[@alexneufeld2738]

is Justin Trudeau gonna charge a carbon tax on that too?

[@benbrown2470]

I bet you don't get many likes from the greenies/climate extremists. I love it. Thanks for sharing.

[@marystrouth4744]

Now I think I learned how the early Starship Enterprise got its distinctive warp engines sound from!

[@jimzeleny7213]

Lighthouse diesel gensets used to be run for 6 hour shifts. Later this was changed to continuous operation with two extra engines as backup. They would just let the engine run until it died. Lots of stress while the engine pounds away getting up to speed. This method pretty well eliminated the daily pounding.

[@paulvanderhaegen761]

that is exactly the way i starup up in the morning but whit less smoke.

[@mikekean8344]

It's good to know there are a few of the old class 37s still out and about.

[@peteotoole8383]

I hear one regularly in Hull sound to be savoured and a sight to behold

[@jstbig1]

Yes we will need them when we get dirty bombed….

[@sahanmadhawag]

Hey cold start gang 🤗

[@EdWhisenantAviation]

"GREAT" footage, I really enjoyed watching 👍

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

Strangely, the BR Class 25 seemed to have by far the easiest time starting.

[@class87srule]

Probably the best maintained. Beats me how the batteries sustain the output to turn over the engines.

[@hoover3554]

Ian McKinnon they all sound bad because they’re cold, not necessarily badly maintained, the reason some sound better than others is because they’ve been cold less

[@mike5162]

@@class87srule they use air starters

[@CreRay]

Not strange at all, the Sulzer engines have a much higher compression ratio than most others. It makes them more efficient but heavier and more expensive, more than double the cost of a comparable English Electric engine if I recall correctly.

[@SvenTviking]

The Deltic went pretty quick.

[@vangarcia419]

Beautiful....Thank You for Not Talking..

[@adrievanbeek6114]

Respect voor de mensen die dit in stand houden! Prioriteit nr. 1 zou voor mij zijn, het kunnen lichten van de klep van cilinder nr.1. Wat een beestenwerk is het om zo te tornen! 👍🏻

[@kevinducharme1263]

I've seen some diesel engines that used a 'pony' engine to get them turning over to the initial starting RPM's.

[@vernonmatthews181]

I remember Caterpillar doing that since at least the 1930's.

[@kevinducharme1263]

@@vernonmatthews181 I've never seen one but it sounds like you have. they couldn't have been very big, were they? my original comment should have read "heard of some diesel engines"

[@vernonmatthews181]

@@kevinducharme1263 The one I saw was in 1977 in New Zealand, it was a Vtwin that started a 1938 Caterpillar 6x4 Grader, I can still remember it starting up & the two huge levers that allowed the smaller engine to engage the flywheel of the parent engine, the engine partially exposed both sides was a long stroke 4 cylinder diesel. 😎👍👌

[@kevinducharme1263]

@@vernonmatthews181 man, you old-school guys rule!

[@vernonmatthews181]

@@kevinducharme1263 Hey thanks brother, have a great day ! 😎👍👌

[@jurgenungerer2475]

Diesel geht immer 💪

[@tractorsmachinesro1405]

True raul therapy....I like it!!!!.....All the best from Romania

[@alanmckeown5377]

Greta would love this upload

[@trevortrevortsr2]

Now we know where VW got there emissions advice from : )

[@PedroLucas-hk3vo]

Indeed, EA189 still plagues my VAG engine..."#$* germans.

[@olegk455]

I love my VAG 3.0L diesel. Makes such glorious sounds that beast.

[@hibye2531]

@@PedroLucas-hk3vo HEY I AM A GERMAN I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT

[@davebox588]

It's a shame the deltic clip couldn't have lasted longer. Love that distinctive warble.

[@24934637]

Me too. Had one rumble past me years ago when I was a kid walking along the track, felt the heat from the engine, smelled the fumes and oil. Such a powerful beast.....So huge, at least compared to me age 6 anyway.

[@anthonywilson4873]

Three crankshafts in a triangular format, two spinning one way and the remaining the other way. An 18 cylinder two stoke diesel with opposed piston design. Each bore had two pistons in it with a crankshaft at either end injector in the middle and inlet and exhaust port at opposing ends of the cylinder and it was supercharged. Quite an advanced engine and unique sound!

[@motocomiot]

My old man did his National Service in the Royal Navy, he remembered starting Napier Deltic engined MTBs - they made so much black smoke tne hulls were repainted black (from grey) to disguise tbe sooty exhausts. They could run at 40 knots all day & night !

[@sachetkk3828]

These explanation really make the video more interesting

[@holgerpentzien5923]

Thank you very much for these geil sounds. I love these Diesel sounds!

[@SuperAgentman007]

0:18 that’s one hell of a green Locomotive

[@medwaymodelrailway7129]

Nice channel."thumbs up". diesel dave's .

[@damondamon2825]

Back at it again wooop

[@West.Ham1964]

I feel I need to go and plant 100 trees now after watching this.

[@nicolai8820]

the first train is the ceo of climate change himself

[@RHYS-LOVES-YOU]

Amazing sounds❤❤❤❤

[@joshmccoy-ji2sv]

subbed, great video1

[@theravedaddy]

That psz still takes centre stage in german techno raves, ive seen the rave viking cranking it up.

[@paulhunter123]

i cant see how this is good for the environment personally

[@RailwayZone]

Wonderful Coverage.. love from rail fan..

[@alanbunker8844]

I DROVE Diamond T,s in the UK army in 1954 ,max weight 95 tons., Henshall Engine starting ok With the old 14 lt engine we used to heat in in coming air ,started ok even with hard frost. Best wishes, Alan Bunker.

[@EstOptimusNobis]

In Canada we give the air inlet a short shot of starting fluid (ether). Starts like a charm. With CAT engines, you switch the glowplug on for 15-20 secs then start it.

[@schlookie]

Don't let the extinction rebellion see these.....

[@nickgodfrey1973]

Was surprised how easily the Class 37 started! Fully approved

[@robertbruce7686]

Class 37... surely the divas of cold start (tho that petite shunter was fun)?

[@123TauruZ321]

I find these noises humorous ^^

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

The ultimate green machine collection.

[@conek2]

4:00 sound like my upstrair neighbours at 4am.

[@BobSmith-mc7uq]

0:29 Train: Greta-Greta-Greta-Gretttttaaa-Gretttaaaaaaaaaa Breathe!!!!!

[@glynnwright1699]

The pieces of rust falling off the Fowler added to the entertainment.

[@CarsandEngines]

Do you like these Cold Starts ?

[@leandropalacio9071]

Yes

[@KramarEmil]

Yes, of course

[@CarsandEngines]

Thank you ;)

[@TeroTikkinen]

Yes

[@auaiao9]

Yes!

[@24934637]

Beautiful! Partly because of the old technology that is still working, and partly because it makes Greta Thunderburg cry!

[@czonczike630]

I think the M41's cold start is also interesting. That could have been on this list.

[@Tetra3Ne56scur]

2:38 The real Thomas the tank engine

[@Tetra3Ne56scur]

@Widget Drat interesting

[@mikekoglin8681]

Hello Greata!!!!!:D

[@MajSolo]

are they cranking these engines using battery power or have they started some auxiliary power unit?

[@haz2005]

That 37 is something we cant hate

[@muklisalisyahab9580]

I loved train because of it's engine sounds.

[@DomZa100]

awesome sounds

[@mortimus687]

2:47 - sounds like the hyperdrive motivator's been damaged

[@kleetus92]

20V645 power plant, that is, 20 cylinders at 645 cubic inches per, 2 stroke. 3600 HP EMD SD45.

[@WadcaWymiaru]

Lucas copied that sound from REAL LIFE engines and slow-down them creating odd sound...

[@mike5162]

@@kleetus92 great engine. I’ve worked on lots of them. Very very simple and easy to work on EMD engines. Everything is just big and heavy.

[@klaus9714]

"One cold start is ~30 normal starts"

[@svetozar73]

Слёзы радости на глазах греты тунберг )))

[@emilsobotka500]

Dieselová lokomotiva s mechanickým přenosem výkonu má tu nevýhodu, že ke startu používá starter. Dieselelekrtrická lokomotiva startuje pomocí trakčního generátoru. Úspěšný start proběhne během několika sekund!

[@tracynation2820]

Excellent. 💙 T.E.N.

[@hitop2365]

My old job, I had some generator sets V16 caterpillars, they had water jacket heaters and started more or less instantly. Would be certainly more efficient having water jacket heaters and a small generator to warm the loco engines up before starting.

[@georgethornton3461]

They would have to be some healthy block heaters, to warm 400 gallons of coolant.

[@barryroberts2474]

Now I know why they kept the locos running all night at Marylebone station back in the 70s. Also had some cartridge start jobs.

[@bb_6667]

Salutations incroyable bravo 👏

[@Arltratlo]

hm, the DR877 started public service on the May 15th 1933, not in 1935... the prototype was running in 1931, max speed of the train in public service was 160kph/100mph... ....no wonder it was called the fliegender/flying Hamburger ( thats a city in Germany, the train drove from Hamburg to Berlin )

[@chapiit08]

Heavy metal at it's best.

[@guycar1012]

Title: Locomotive Crazy Cold Starts Thumbnail: locomotive on fire...

[@gettothepoint2707]

😝😝😝

[@augustbilliau12321]

*3:17* when your train game has not loaded

[@JaseCJay]

Coolest train of the lot gets covered by thumbnails!

[@invisiblekid7374]

I’ve always wondered what kind of power they use to crank these big engines over for so long? I’d almost have to assume some use something other than a set of batteries to crank these engines over!

[@invisiblekid7374]

That’s crazy! Sometime it seems like they crank for minutes at a time!!

[@realulli]

AFAIK, they use some small gasoline engine for that, like a V6 or V8.

[@beeble2003]

@@realulli I've never heard of a locomotive having a separate internal combustion engine to start the main engine.

[@realulli]

@@beeble2003 I don't know a specific model right now, but if you look into how to start the main engine, some are started pneumatically by blowing compressed air into the cylinders and cranking the engine that way. Some of those have an auxiliary engine to run generators and compressors to provide electricity and compressed air to the loco. The compressed air is then used to start. Some (if not all) airliners also have an auxiliary turbine, usually in the tail to provide power and compressed air ("bleed air") to the aircraft. The main engines have and air starter that is using bleed air from the aux turbine to bring the main engines up to ignition speed.

[@beeble2003]

@@realulli EMD SD70s use air-start but there isn't a separate engine to drive the compressor. The compressed air is stored in tanks that are charged by the main engine. If the pressure drops below a threshold (or the battery voltage drops), the locomotive auto-starts to top up the air/voltage. The locomotives I'm aware of that start electrically take it from batteries. I don't know of any locomotives that use a secondary engine to supply air or electricity for starting but, of course, that doesn't mean they don't exist (I'm only really familiar with the UK and USA).

[@OwenMessenger]

2:45 you can hear the cams hitting the rocker arms

[@EATSLEEPDRIVE2002]

How so? It’s just a starter cranking

[@sargentdoggo297]

Sufiya H. Yeah she needs to be looked over that was very knocky even for a diesel

[@fmrjk]

How are these engines cranked? Do they use a petrol donkey (e.g Caterpillar) or electric starter, or compressed air, or what? It looks like they are all using excess fuel starting, but are there other starting aids e.g.ether or inlet manifold flame devices?

[@joe125ful]

Euro 6 done:) Where is burning one!!!

[@CarsandEngines]

This is Euro 0 hehe

[@farbercasteel]

Rather Euro -10 🙈🙉🙊

[@davegeisler7802]

Listen to that Turbo on the EMD SD45 🤩💪🏼

[@edgarasvas]

On the seventh day God was'nt resting, he was making these locomotives

[@Stu-f592]

One cylinder said the the others: “bro, you feeling it today?”

[@nlo114]

37's run up nicely, must be warm already. 0:14 , 4:00 , 5:46 , Sounds like a blacksmith's convention!

[@restojon1]

They normally take a bit more persuasion than that, don't they.

[@waynescaller110]

I would love to hear one of the diesel trains rumble down a track

[@mpersson9595]

Greta loves this❤

[@ArunKumar-rd1bw]

0:33 from here, perfect eargasam 😌

[@nomon95]

Flames are normal with the clag is inside the exhaust manifold:Because is very flammable,a spark light the clag and the result,,flames outside, but in some cases is better the clag burn, because go outside and is dangerous to inhale.

[@bonkeydollocks1879]

Clagg is the black smoke emitted from the exhaust and " not inside it"

[@mrstar666]

Somewhere greta’s having a meltdown 😂

[@petrpischnoth4919]

Greta likes this! 😁

[@boryskrupa5102]

these engines feed plants all around the world!

[@Micha-pd8kv]

Greta is crying while watching these xDD

[@freibert]

Fowler Shunter is my favorite :) //

[@dondagy9109]

Anyone else notice the '55 fowler started the easiest?

[@emilisegal7602]

Jürgen Resch from "Deutsche Umwelthilfe" Germany is not amused🤣🤣🤣

[@александрпонимасов-о6н]

this is unreal start! SUPER!!!

[@eisenbahnerharthausen]

Fridays for Future would be proud

[@bluemax1980]

Greata dreht durch

[@gambeerSagr-ow2lj]

Extremely cold start with so difficulty that if I would have been trying to start I would pray & start