Create a MIDI IN on Your Roland TD-17 or TD-25 Module - Kenton USB MIDI Host

[@danshredwards3794]

Between you and Justin from 65 Drums. You two seriously have provided me with a wealth of knowledge. Thank you!! I've got a td-17 and I just ordered an SPD S. Which now I know I can hook em' together via that Kenton device and go to town... You, Justin, johnny raab, Texas tim root, Mike shack, and that Jamie fisher dude from Alesis.. all I do is watch all things electronic drumming while watching my new born post early morning job. My son watches it all too. Lol he friggen HAS to

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad you've found the channel useful! It's an honour to be on a list alongside those mentioned.

[@danshredwards3794]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop hmmm .. also I picked up the "newest" dm10 MK2 pro module. I wanted to explore Alesis sounds.. I've yet to try and hook it up ( using ALL Roland pads/ cymbals). Td-17kvx; I bought the specific cable loom for it as well. I've got bit of a case of G.A.S ( which I didn't know existed). I can in theory;have my td-17; my dm10, and my awaited SPD S all hooked up simultaneously???

[@Aloha967-tree-fo-wer]

Only because you sound like you know what is going on, maybe you can help. I purchased a TD-17 which was a part of my VAD 306. I also purchased the 18" DR. I am not well versed in this stuff and am now confused. Can I use the DR with the TD 17 with this Kenton USB midi host? Do I need to go through my PC? Any help would be appreciated.

[@imperial1371]

I layerd a mimic and a td50 (snare and bassdrum)the sound is stellar !!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

You'd hope so with 2 of the best modules on the market 😅 A lot of combination potential there!

[@matenorth]

Could you use the midi out of Td50 to expand the mimic instead of layering if you wanted to or is it not possible?

[@mattryan6886]

This is a very clever work around. I will definitely buy one of these for my td-11 module. Also I had never thought of using the midi out to midi in to control my Strike pro module. Thank you for this video and continued hard work!!!!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thanks Matt, really appreciated! It's a great tool if you need/want MIDI in on the module, been great fun! And yeah, you could totally use the TD-11 out to the Strike with just a midi cable, no extras required. Without extra sounds to access on the Strike over the amount of inputs, the uses might be limited, but if you were having trouble with any triggers on the Strike that work well on the Roland or anything like that it could come in handy. Or even for splitting pad zones without splitter cables - I did that on the TD-17 - used cymbal pads on the TD-50 to trigger splashes I had on the tom rims on the TD-17. Even let me choke them which you wouldn't be able to do with the rim of a tom pad!

[@mattryan6886]

The eDrum Workshop when I first bought my strike module I had to use my td-11 midi out to trigger the strike. In my excitement of buying the strike module I forgot/overlooked buying TRS stereo cables. I order a set from pintech and because of virus it took them 2 1/2 months to send them to me. It worked pretty good, however I couldn’t get cymbal choke to work. And I could never get the midi messages working for hihat right. I just ran my only stereo cable to my hi hat cymbal and mono for the HH ft controller. Will be hopefully buying td-27 module in September. Will be keeping my strike for live shows, and Roland Td-27 for home recording. I played it for an hour at GC when they first came out, was immediately sold on it, the sounds, 28 channels of usb audio, digital snare/ride, MIDI I/O, mute groups. I play more electronic music so I dig the “Roland sound” I know not everyone loves it. When I need/want the more realistic sounds the Roland equipment works very good with SSD/SD3. I have the program to help import the multi layer VST sounds to strike module but haven’t gotten that deep yet. 200mb kit limit on strike so it has limitations but can be implemented

[@fclefjeff]

@@mattryan6886 Hey Matt, just to be 100% clear, you've actually triggered the samples in the Strike Pro Module via MIDI in? The manual only seems to talk about recording via MIDI out - nothing about triggering/sequencing via MIDI in.

[@sica4873]

That’s a great video! It got me searching for other options besides the Kenton, and apparently, an iPad works just as good! I’m using it with an app called Midiflow, and it works great. Thanks again for the inspiration!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Awesome, glad it inspired you to try stuff out! A tablet is a pretty neat middle ground solution between a computer/laptop and the little hosts - good thinking!

[@mandukazenmusic3274]

Interestingly I’m recording onto iPad Auria Pro and struggling to get USB audio OUT of TD17 into iPad... have you had any joy ?

[@sica4873]

It won’t work unfortunately, because the Roland usb audio out needs a driver- only works on Mac or Windows, not iOS.

[@MandukaZen]

@@sica4873 thanks for verifying this...

[@PEP.]

is there a way to achieve this with a td1 module? the TD1 only has midi out via usb type B - is there any possible way i can convert that to 5 pin midi so it can go into a midi host?

[@machineshadowclub]

Good info, such a simple solution jeez 🤦🏻‍♂️ I was running my computer to route but this I gonna try maybe record live with my sequencer live loop no computer no Octapad, amazing solution

[@LDdrums20]

Dude, even your neck grooves hehe. Love your videos

[@JeromeSAULNIER]

YOU JUST MADE MY DAY !!!!! Thanks a lot to you !!!

[@spongetone]

I use my TD-17 simply to input midi performance data into my Cubase Pro. All I want is to be able to play the sounds in the TD-17 from Cubase Pro. Without a midi input on the TD-17 I can't figure out how to do it. Thanks so much fro your hard work!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

You should be able to do this with a USB cable rather than using a USB host. The USB MIDI accepts MIDI in and out.

[@hussainbachlani1066]

Hi how are you I have some conce about Roland MiDi connection for audio and video cover drums with any song

[@hussainbachlani1066]

I have TD17

[@rockie00sys77]

what cables did u use in 2:13?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Just the same USB A/B cable that you would use to connect the TD-17 to a computer (sometimes referred to as a printer cable).

[@tlkshowhst]

I'd love to know how to use the digital pads without a td50 or td27!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

I'll be posting a video about that in the coming weeks - it's interesting, for sure so stay tuned!

[@albertojurado873]

Can you bypass or skip the Kenton USB MIDI Host device by using the Roland USB Midi Interface UM-one cable? Plug the cable into the TD17 USB with a usb to printer usb adapter and connect the midi end of that cable to the another trigger module midi out port (TMC-6 or ddrum DDTi Trigger)?

[@dirtremovesblindness]

I know this is off topic, but can you tell me if there is any way to get additional triggers added to a Roland TD-25 (in addition to the two "trigger in" ports)? I came from acoustic drumming and I'm trying to find away to add more cymbals/toms to the module to get the kit to feel closer to my acoustic kit. Do you know if there is any way I can achieve this goal? Thank you kindly!

[@EliaBertuzzi]

Hi.....if I understood correctly then I can connect an Alesis Control Pad to the TD-17 module instead of pc? And I can use the Roland module to manage the sounds? Thanks. Greatings from Italy

[@Zengus5150]

can you do a vid showing me step by step how to midi link a TD11(slave) to a TD17 (master) please?

[@stephenteves9399]

Is the digital snare a usb midi device? Have you tried using a usb hub to add usb ports. I believe there is a firmware version the allows the Kenton midi host to support hubs.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

The digital snare is a USB MIDI device, yeah. I haven't tried using a hub though, no. Might be something to try in the future, good idea!

[@DopamineOverload]

This is really impressive. The eDRUMin does support positional sensing, though. Could you use the digital pads with an eDRUMin and have positional sensing? Thanks!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Unfortunately not, it's not down to whether the module or device sending the data can use positional sensing, it's all about whether the receiving module can use that. The TD-17 doesn't have PS as a functionality in its software and there are no samples for different positions either. It's a shame but that's just how it's built! Thanks for watching!

[@DopamineOverload]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Right but... I'm talking about the eDRUMin by Audiofront. It sends PS data on CC16 (such as with Superior 3, which works perfectly)

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Yes, I know the product. I thought you meant using the eDRUMin to send data to a module (which you can do, I believe), apologies. You might be able to get positional data out of a digital pad with the eDRUMin but not sure how you would connect it? The eDRUMin uses standard trigger jacks and analyses the waveforms that come in from the analogue signal, whereas the digital pads use USB connections.

[@DopamineOverload]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Ah yeah. Hmm.... I thought somehow the USB connections could merge or something.... like it's just basic CC16.... hmm....

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Because I've never used an eDRUMin myself, I can't say for sure how it might or might not work unfortunately. I get the feeling it might only work with signals coming directly through its own input jacks but I'm happy to be corrected by someone with experience using it. The software could have options I don't know about.

[@rafamdematos]

Could you explain the connection details to the SPD SX? Mine is not working.

[@philippeb.3391]

Quick question for a TD17 owner. Does that mean that I could plug two more cymbals pad in a Roland TM-2 and then the TM2- would be plugged midi out to midi of the Kenton which would be plugged with the USB cable to my TD17 modules ? Meaning I could remove my cable splitters needed to ad two more cymbals to my TD17 ? That would be just great !

[@jbdrums2213]

Wow !! It’s a really great idea, very interesting… I wonder if it would work with other brands which have MIDI input, connecting a digital snare on a 2Box module for instance ? The only Roland module I own is the TD-7…

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

You can indeed hook a digital pad up to a module with a MIDI input on it with this. However, it's not as simple as you might think and there's some possible drawbacks. I'll be doing a video about it soon, might be next week's.

[@jbdrums2213]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks a lot ! I never thought it was simple, in fact I didn't think it was even possible !!

[@mandukazenmusic3274]

Nice.... I think this could help me feed iPad midi track into TD17 via mixer, and allow me to at last record the TD17 outputs into iPad (again via mixer). I was in despair trying to feed MIDI into TD17 AND get audio out !

[@kevinolson2333]

can i use a tm 2 for more trigers on my td17 ? if you could help me out im trying to add triger inputs on the td 17

[@zapatitosdeldomingo]

Hello ! Thanks for your video ! I tried your plan but i have a problem.. i will tell you the story and then maybe you could help me ? I have a td17 module. I bought some pads and cymbals in second hand and then, i had the Idea to build the same drumset that i use in my local. For doing that, i decided to add an external module that i had alrady to my TD17. I'v seen your video and i bought the Kenton. Problem : when i hit pads connected to my older module (yamaha dtxplorer), they are not all responsive. While when i connect one by one all my pads in my td17, they all works.(i precise that all my pads are roland pads) Secondly, i can't edit my drum set with my external pads connected to my older module because they are connected with the same trigger of the td17. On my yamaha module, the input triggers are connected to "tom1, tom2, tom3, snare". When i hit them, they respond, but they are connected with my other pads on the td17 wich are also connected with th inputs "tom1, tom2,tom3,snare" In consequences, if i change for exemple the sound of one pad, an other pad will change also in the same way because they are connected. It's like the td17module doesn't reconized the distinction between both. The two pads are like one pad for the td17 Question : how can i connect my modules together without thiss missing issue ? I tried a lot of possibilities but its always disfunctionnal.. I hope you'll can help me.. ! Sorry for my english i'm french🍷

[@kevinolson2333]

i cand fined no info on this im trying to get more duel trigers on td 17

[@waltergatis4112]

como faço para ligar module td 17 para octapad spd30? gostaria de tocar os sons da TD17 na SPD30

[@leopietro8]

can we control parameters (pad volumes, sensitivity, tuning etx) via an external midi controllers?

[@crl1q2w]

very interesting video. According to you, is it possible to send program change in this way to a roland tm6 pro? tnx!

[@brettmiller7366]

I am having trouble calibrating my new Joe Becky high hat symbol to my role in the 17 module. Any suggestions

[@jezusmylord]

this sounds really interesting

[@RobertGoodmanBand]

How do I assign a midi channel from Omni to a single channel to trigger ezdrummer so I can have different controllers triggering other instruments like piano , bass on their own midi channel… I have the td17

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Finally had a hair cut thanks to my girlfriend! I can see again! How's everyone doing?

[@Odysseus201]

TD-11 doesn’t offer class compliant MIDI out option. There’s no technical reason why there can’t be a firmware update to support this, and I had emailed Roland about it while the TD-11 was still supported. But they weren’t interested in adding this option at the time

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Oh dear, I thought from my research that it did but looking at the manual again, you're right! There's only mention of using the USB driver for audio and MIDI, no "Generic" driver mode. Will edit the title/description to reflect that, thanks for bringing it to my attention!

[@tylerhill6706]

@@TheeDrumWorkshopdoes that mean can’t connect the td 17 and 11 together with that Kenton device?

[@danielidell939]

Thank you for the video! I wasn’t 100% clear - would this allow me to use another module as a slave module to a module without midi in? I have a td 25 and td 4 and would like to use the td 4 as a slave to allow me to use more pads. Basically to expand my td 25.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

It will only allow you to create a MIDI in on a module that has MIDI over USB - I don't believe the TD-4 module has a USB port for such a function? It would allow you to do the reverse - use the TD-4's MIDI out to trigger the TD-25. The problem with trying to use something like this for "expansion" is that you don't just gain magic inputs from MIDI connections on most modules - there will only be as many assignable MIDI notes as there are pads on a lot of modules, which is why I specified layering over expansions. It's annoying as they used to feature a "percussion set"on some Roland modules - extra sounds you could access only via MIDI - but they took it out after the TD-30 and it was only on some modules, not all. The best bet in your situation is just plugging extra pads into the TD-4 as "auxiliary" sounds and combining the audio from both modules. Cheers!

[@danielidell939]

The eDrum Workshop Thank you for the clarification! I appreciate it!

[@edrumsense]

F..king interesting... Do you know if you can get positional sensing in Superior drummer connecting the Digital snare directly via USB? If not, then the Roland modules must have some kind of Driver that converst the class compliant into a more specialized USB device. If yes, Then I wonder if the Digital to USB to Roland module To USB to MIDI adds some latency to the path, it would be interesting to know how much.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

When I connected the digital pad straight to my PC, it appeared that the positional data wasn't being sent. My assumption is that the calculations for position must be carried out in the module rather than the pad. It's also not quite as sensitive for some reason and the head/rim separation isn't as good either. Some of these things are clearly also helped by the module interpreting the signal - which makes sense, I suppose. The pad won't be able to do all of the work without more processing power in it. I would imagine that the module would add a little latency in this situation then, yeah. I've not tested that so can't confirm but it wouldn't make sense for it not to if its having to process the signal before passing it on through the MIDI port.

[@Cappingcappy]

So if I wanted to use this with a spd 30 to use the spd to trigger the sound on the TD 17 and I have the midi host do I need one or two midi cable?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Just the one MIDI cable from the MIDI out on the SPD-30 to the MIDI in port on the USB host. Then it's the USB ("printer" style) cable from the host to the TD-17.

[@MikePageDev]

Does anyone know if this will work on a TD-07?

[@rodrigofraga1]

Hey Luke, I just would like to confirm before invest some money in the MIDI host. Can I use a TD-6V as slave with a TD-15? I'm familiar with this process using the percussion sets from a TD-9 instead of the TD-15 (which doesn't have the MIDI input) but still not clear for me how would be possible to assign in the TD-15 the sounds I want to specific midi notes from the TD-6V. Thanks a lot! Cheers.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey Rodrigo! Just want to clarify exactly what you want to do with this setup. If you're aiming to hook the TD-6V's MIDI out into the TD-15 (via the USB host to create a MIDI in) to trigger the TD-15's sounds with padsfrom the TD-6V, there's not really any benefit to doing this. There are no extra sounds on the TD-15 that can be assigned to incoming MIDI notes like a percussion set, there are only the sounds that are assigned to the trigger inputs. So you can't "expand" a TD-15 by attaching something else via MIDI. There is a "percussion part" feature on the TD-6V which can be triggered via MIDI like the percussion set on the TD-9. I think it's a bit more limited than on other modules, but I only really know this by reading the manual, not from experience. I did another video recently about MIDI capabilities of different modules and covered this on there (hence the manual diving). If you wanted to trigger the "percussion part" of the TD-6V, you wouldn't need a MIDI host for this as the 6V has a MIDI inport. You could send MIDI out of the TD-15 into the 6V to trigger its additional sounds. But of course that would mean the 6V is the main "sound engine" for this setup. There's ways to use sounds from both (have the audio merged but turn down any pads on one module that you only want to send MIDI from) but obviously this adds complexity to the whole situation. Check out my other video if you think it'll help! And hopefully this helps too! Cheers.

[@rodrigofraga1]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks a lot for the clear and complete explanation. Now I know exactly what do to and what are plans to replace the current modules I have. Cheers!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

You're welcome, glad I could help! Good luck!

[@andreajacketrequired720]

Hi!thanks for This useful video!!It could be the solution i was looking for!!could It solve program change issue?I mean TD11 module can only send Program change but not receive, could it solve this? Thanks in advance!!

[@edrums]

I have a TD-15 and just purchased a TD27 module. I would like to play some of the custom kits on the TD15 through the 27. Is that possible with the USB MIDI host device? TIA

[@rlbrett]

Luke, thank you for the lucid explanation of how to use MIDI, the TM-2, and other devices with Roland e-drums. I recently purchased the TD-25 and TM-2; the former for practicing quietly at home so as not to bother my wife, the latter for expanding/layering sounds of the TD-25 as well as triggering my acoustic kit when performing live. Question, just to be clear, I can use my TM-2 with my TD-25 via their MIDI ports for layering, instead of connecting the TM-2 via its audio output into the TD-25 trigger in/auxiliary or crash 2 port? (If this is true I can use the two TD-25 trigger in ports for a crash and additional tom.) Thank you.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you! You wouldn't send the TM-2 into the trigger inputs on the TD-25. Trigger inputs aren't audio inputs so you can continue using those two inputs for pads. If you want to use the TM-2 to add layers to your TD-25's sounds, you would connect somewhat like this - TD-25 MIDI out > TM-2 MIDI in TM-2 audio output (either the L&R master or the phones jack) > TD-25 mix in OR both module's audio outputs into to a mixer to combine the audio. You will then need to configure the MIDI notes inside the TM-2 to be the same MIDI notes as those of the pads you wish to layer on the TD-25. So if you wanted to add a layer from the TM-2 to snare head and rim of your TD-25, you would set two of the MIDI notes on your TM-2 to "38" (usually the snare on Roland modules) and "40" (snare rim). You get a total of 4 samples (therefore MIDI notes) per kit on the TM-2 so can only layer up to 4 zones. This sends the MIDI data from what you play on the TD-25 into the TM-2 to trigger it's sounds at the same time as the 25, and combining the audio together (via the mix in or a mixer) is what allows you to "layer" the sounds. Sometimes the "mix in" is referred to as the aux in (as in, the auxiliary audio input), but it's not to be confused with the AUX trigger input. Hope that helps.

[@rlbrett]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hey Luke, thank you for the detailed answer. This is what I needed. I'm still waiting for a MIDI cable from eBay. I hope you can answer this question: Is there a way I can add another cymbal or 2 on my TD-25KV kit? I am already using the Aux and Crash 2 for an extra tom and cymbal. Thank you again. You're awesome!

[@simonemaselli8310]

Hello, nice video... I have a question, I would like to expand my td17 kvx kit and I would like to do it using another module such as the Roland TD11 but as you surely know neither has the entrance midi in. I could be able to use both using the kenton midi host in this way: by connecting the kenton midi host into the USB input of the roland td17 and then via a midi cable, the midi in input of the kenton with the midi out input of the td11???

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! You can't "expand" your TD-17 with another module via MIDI because the TD-17 can only play back sounds that are assigned to the pad zones. MIDI expansion only works when a module is capable of playing additional sounds via MIDI that aren't assigned to a pad. So you can technically connect up the modules the way you explained, but you aren't going to gain anything from doing so. You'd get better results by just connecting extra pads to the TD-11 to trigger its sounds and merging the audio together to hear both modules at once (either by connecting the output of one module to the mix in socket of the other, or by using a small mixer). I made a video about MIDI a while ago that explains why some modules can do MIDI expansion and others can't - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gInJo6SgoLuWgck

[@imperial1371]

I love this new Video!! Bro ,you have the mimic and the td50 Could you make a Video about triggering the mimic via midi from the td 50 - i did it and would like to hear your opinion !. I think its phenomenal! Thanx ! Great Video!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

I might try and touch on that in the "digital pads on the Mimic" video I'm planning. The biggest downside I've found is no cymbal chokes between the two - Roland use aftertouch and the Mimic uses a midi note for chokes so you just can't seem to get it to work. A real shame. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks!

[@imperial1371]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Right !-I forgot to mention i only layer snare an bassdrum sounds. Thanx for the response ! Keep up the good work !

[@cariboufudge]

I'm trying to plug my TD-17 directly into my computer via USB and feed MIDI out of my computer back into the module. It shows up with both input and output ports in my DAWs and audio MIDI setup, but it doesn't seem to respond to the incoming MIDI, I get no audio out. Is there some kind of special mode on the TD-17 that I need to switch on for it to receive MIDI and spit out audio? Has anyone else run into this before?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Have you checked under SETUP > MIDI that the "MIDI Tx/Rx Sw" is set to ON? This is what enables or disables MIDI in and out.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Oh, and that you're sending to the correct MIDI channel? Either channel 10 by default, or sending to "All Channels" or possibly "Omni", depending on the DAW's terminology.

[@jibeji]

Hi Luke, this is (one more time) exactly what I was looking for! I am not familiar at all with MIDI and have a question: I have a pad which is not configurable and sends with fixed MIDI notes and I'd like to plug it to my TD-17 module to expand my kit. Will I be able to configure the TD-17 to match the notes sent by my pad? Cheers

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! Sorry, I'm not completely clear on exactly what you mean by "expand" in this instance. If your pad sends MIDI out and you connect up to a USB MIDI Host, you can configure one of the TD-17's inputs or pad zones to receive that MIDI number and then the pad will trigger that assigned sound from your TD-17. However, the TD-17 can only trigger sounds that are assigned to a pad zone. So if you've already used up all of the available inputs on your module, you're not going to get any "extra" sounds out of this MIDI pad - you'll only be able to trigger sounds that are already assigned on one of your physical inputs. If you've got a spare input though then you could trigger that.

[@jibeji]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke. Sorry I was unclear contrarily to your answer which is crystal clear. Thank you so much !

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Not a problem at all! Glad that the answer helped!

[@edduardoLopez]

Hi, very interesting topic! Can I do something similar with a Roland TD-07 and an Spd sx? I know there is no possibility to import custom sounds on this module TD-07, but maybe here is another way to layer sound from the TD-07 without losing dynamics? I've tried with Ableton drum rack but the result is kind of "Machinegun". I don't like the snare drum build-in sounds in the TD-07. Thank u and great content btw.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! You could use the Kenton USB MIDI Host to create a MIDI out port for your TD-07 like the TD-17, yes. Do you mean that you'd want to send MIDI out from the 07 to trigger the SPD-SX then combine the audio of both to create a "layered sound" effect? You can do it, but because you don't have any options to use things like sample fades (like you can on a TD-17 with imported samples) and there is still only one single sample on an SPD-SX per pad, you're still likely to encounter bad dynamics and possible machine gunning, especially at the lower end of the dynamic range. My guess is that you'd get a similar result to the drum rack, unless the drum rack isn't giving you a good volume difference between quiet and loud dynamics.

[@edduardoLopez]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop cool! thanks for the answer. Great content bro 🤘🏼

[@Mortimon2]

I want to try this out, but my use-case is TD-9 MIDI out -> TD-17 MIDI in -> TD-17 MIDI out -> laptop. Would the midi notes pass through from my TD-9 to my laptop?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Yes, you can do that! There's the option for "USB MIDI Thru" under SETUP > MIDI > THRU

[@Mortimon2]

That's great, thanks!

[@musiqsoundsproductions]

Would the kenton work with the TM6-Pro too. It doesn’t have a MIDI input and it would be much needed in a playback system.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Just had a look at the manual - looks like it uses USB MIDI the same way as the modules do, so it should work. If you think that having a MIDI in on the module without it being hooked up to a computer would be useful, the Kenton should let you do it.

[@musiqsoundsproductions]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thank you. Yes, it is very useful, so it can be implemented in a large midi environment and to receive program change messages in such an environment.

[@sonexdeluxe]

Is there a way to hook my beat buddy to my td-17 to use the drum sets in the beat buddy? Yes, I'm really a guitarist who does loops. Issue is, i would like to add to the drums but can't find a good match in sounds.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Sorry, I seem to have overlooked this comment! I'm not familiar with the Beat Buddy to be honest - does it have any kind of MIDI input?

[@sonexdeluxe]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop It has a special midi jack and a cable that features the connector for the beat buddy but also a midi input and output on the other end of the cable. I ordered one and will try it when I get it in but was wondering if you had any knowledge about it.

[@ChaosIgnited]

New guy to the whole electronic drum world. So this is a complicated question, well to me atleast. I have a roland td11 module. Id like to expand this kit by at least 4 inputs. I was thinking of trying to use this Kenton module to allow something like the edrumin 4 to send my trigger signal into the Td11 and use the sound samples inside the td11. Is this even possible? I just didnt want to invest in another module to try and daisy chain inputs into my td11 on top of having to purchase this as well. I hope that wasnt too confusing. Thanks in advance.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hi! Unfortunately you won't be able to do this - in order to "expand" a module, it needs to have the inbuilt functionality to allow you to trigger sounds that aren't assigned to pads. The TD-11 doesn't have that function (and neither do most modules these days). It can only trigger sounds that are assigned to the pad zones of the physical inputs. I made a video about MIDI with eDrums a while back that explains this in a fair amount of depth if you're interested in learning more about it - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gInJo6SgoLuWgck

[@Ladyplaysherdrums]

I’ve been trying to figure out what I can do with my td27 module with digital snare and ride and vh10 hihat and my Alesis strike pro SE MODULE and kit. I like the sounds on my Alesis module but I like my Roland td27 with dig. Snare and ride also. Right now I using EzDrummer because don’t like the sounds on my Alesis drum pads from the Roland module which a lot of just could be me not knowing compression and equalizer and room and sfx very well plus I always end up going down that dang rabbit hole and having to reset factory. I’ve think I’ve got my triggers down pretty good though. I did buy me 2 roland cy12c cymbals xtra. Do you think this would work for me and if so, would it do better with a mixer so I can control volume better for one thing? Don’t know much about mixers but I’ve doing some research lately just because of this. Any advice would be so appreciated. You seem to be the only one I’ve found that can relate and talks about all this in more depth.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! I'm not quite sure what you'd need a MIDI Host for in your situation - both the Alesis Strike and TD-27 modules have MIDI in and out ports. A MIDI Host is designed for the purpose "bridging" between a MIDI device with DIN sockets and one that can normally only accept USB MIDI. If you like the sounds on your Alesis Strike but want you keep running the TD-27's pads, you could MIDI link them together (TD-27 MIDI Out to Alesis Strike MIDI In) and only listen to the audio coming from the Alesis Strike. You would need to check that all the MIDI notes on each module line up with each other though, otherwise some pads might be triggering sounds you're not expecting or nothing at all if the notes are different. You would need to spend time going through the modules and the manuals to familiarise yourself with this - I also have a general "MIDI & eDrums" video on the channel that could help. I'm unsure of why you'd need a mixer for this too. If you're not a fan of the Alesis Strike sounds either, it might be best just using the TD-27 with EZ Drummer as you are or having a look into some third party sound packs for the TD-27 like those on my store or the stores of other vendors. This can take the work out of tweaking, or if you're willing to learn but aren't sure where to start, looking through the settings tweaks on these kits can help you understand what is being done with things like EQ, compression, layering etc. Hope that helps in some way.

[@Ladyplaysherdrums]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop thank you! I will try that.

[@chihimyiu]

Can I use this way to connect my Roland tmc6 to my td17 to add more pad?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

No, unfortunately not. You can't "add extra pads" to the TD-17 because you can only trigger sounds that are assigned to the pad inputs. I have another video about MIDI that explains why you can do this on some modules but not others if you'd like to know more.

[@babymonkeymind]

hi there - i'm trying to figure out the best way to capture isolated drum components from the td-17 into my daw (ableton) individually and in time as one simultaneous take, for flexibility in mixing later on. i don't have superior drummer or anything of the sort, so the multi-layered and velocity sensitive onboard sounds would be great to use. the issue though is that there are no individual outputs for each drum on the td-17 and you only get the master mix out or midi out. any ideas on how to route the midi data that was captured in my daw from my initial performance back into the module (in order to trigger the td-17's onboard sounds), and then back out again into my daw to be captured in isolated simultaneous drum tracks ? i hope that's clear. my goal is to be able to record my initial live performance in one take, assumedly as midi data. then i would like it to trigger the td-17 and record the master output audio. i don't mind sitting post-recording and manually playing back and recording each drum take at a time (eg only snare, then only kick, etc.,..) on separate tracks. this usb midi host seems like it could work somehow in this scenario. do you see any issues with a daw being able to capture the velocity data and anything else necessary in order to correctly retrigger the td-17 so i would get my true performance? i know one could make the argument for starting with a good mix outright, but the issue is that these drum recordings will go to someone who is mixing the full band and would want individual drum tracks. thank you for any ideas. i just discovered your great channel and videos, so my apologies if you've covered this elsewhere. thank you!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Apologies for the late reply! You won't need a USB Host for the use you're describing here - the TD-17 can communicate with your computer via its own USB cable. The USB Host is used to take a computer out of the equation altogether, I think you've misunderstood its usage. To do what you want, there's no way to capture the multi tracks "simultaneously" - it's just not a feature the 17 offers, as you've found. What you would need to do is hook up the TD-17 to your computer via the USB cable and use your DAW to record a full MIDI take of the performance. Then, you'd want to split that MIDI into individual MIDI tracks - some DAWs might have the ability to "split" or "explode" MIDI tracks into new tracks that contain only one MIDI note's data, or you might have to it manually. If you have to do it manually, what I'd do is duplicate the MIDI track as many times as needed for the final amount of drums. For example, duplicate it into 8 new tracks if you want kick, snare, tom 1, tom 2, tom 3, hi-hat, ride, crashes/other cymbals on one track, keeping the "original" track in the project muted so you've always got a "master" to pull from if need be. Then go through each track and delete everything but one instrument on each MIDI track (so everything but the kick on the first track, everything but the snare on the second, etc). Then you'll need to route the MIDI back into the TD-17 module (this can also be done over the USB connection) and capture the audio of each individual drum/cymbal in real time. As long as you keep the tracks perfectly aligned, they should all record in sync. You can capture the audio through the USB cable too if you've installed the 17 drivers and use it in VENDOR mode, or through an interface using the master outputs. It's a time-consuming process, but it's entirely possible. If it gets you the results you want, then it'll be worth it. People usually use VSTs because you get the ability to separate each drum natively and the sounds are more acoustically believable, but if you're happy with the sounds and are willing to invest the time, you should get better results from this than just using the stereo track. Hope that helps.

[@babymonkeymind]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Heyyy thank you so much! Super informative and detailed breakdown, I really appreciate this. Thank you for the clarification on the midi host as well. Do you think I will run into any problems with correctly capturing the velocity sensitive midi data into my DAW because the TD 17 puts out velocity sensitive and multi-layered samples? As long as I have the TD 17 driver installed to my computer, should my DAW automatically be set up midi-wise in regards to capturing the depth of the midi performance? For example, let's say I am only performing and recording a snare (for ease of explanation here). If I record the initial midi performance into my DAW from the TD 17, will the DAW capture multiple and varied midi notes per single instrument/drum/cymbal that correspond to the velocity of the hit, and thus be able to correctly replay the velocity sensitive and correct part of the multi-layered sample (upon rerouting as you described above)? I assume my DAW could easily capture changes in volume, but would the data that was initially captured into my DAW be able to tell my TD 17 what layer of the multi-layer sample to play? Hope this makes sense. My concern is that the initial recording of the midi data from the TD 17 into my DAW will only capture basic notes that vary in volume, but may not be able to transmit the information regarding what part of the multi-layer sample to play. I could be missing something and maybe this is the point of the driver download. Thank you for the time you've taken to answer this.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

You're welcome! For the other question - in short, yes. MIDI velocities range from 0 - 127 and Roland's sounds probably have about 4 or 5 sample layers in total, so there's no issue there. The DAW doesn't need to "tell" the module which sample layer to play back, it will just send back the same data it received from the module and the module will interpret the incoming MIDI data the same way it sent it. So you'll have no discrepancies between what you initially heard when playing and what comes back out when you record with this method. MIDI is a standardised protocol for this reason and you don't even need the full driver install for this - the TD-17 is a "class compliant" device so can actually just be plugged into a computer and be recognised for MIDI in/out. You only need the full driver to allow for audio over USB. Do a bit of reading up on MIDI if you can, it'll help you understand more of the intricacies. But for this purpose, knowing how to hook up the module and use the DAW for recording, splitting and outputting MIDI is the only real technical "challenge".

[@babymonkeymind]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Fantastic, thank you again. You made the process and what's needed all very clear for me now. Looking forward to more of your content.

[@MichaelTrocki]

So I'm totally confused by this... why can't you just connect two modules via USB midi and set one to send on a certain channel and one to receive on that same channel? Could you at least do that for pass thru without triggering? Why do you need a 3rd device?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

I'm not sure exactly why, but USB MIDI requires something to host it in order to interface with it. Basically, something that can act as the "receiver" of the generic MIDI device information. Most USB MIDI devices like instruments only send data to a host, they aren't hosts themselves, and that applies to pretty much every standard drum module I've seen with the function (bar outliers like the eDRUMin which is more of an interface than conventional "module".) If you see any instruments around that can be hooked up to other USB MIDI devices, it's likely they've got a USB Host built in (pretty sure some of the more advanced AKAI stuff does for instance, but I guess they're more like mobile DAWs or workstations rather than just standard MIDI instruments).

[@MichaelTrocki]

Cool I get it. Thanks!

[@axatheoriginalbiitch]

Hi thanks for all the info. one question, could it be possible to connect an Alesis strike multipad to a TD25 using the Roland UM One mk2 from the MIDI out of the alesis into the TD25 USB in, with the same results as using the Kenton USB set up? Thanks!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! No, I don't believe so. The only way to create a MIDI In over USB on a module is by using a USB Host. The USB Host acts as if it's a computer to the device, letting them interface. If I remember rightly, the UM One is just a USB to MIDI cable for use with a computer.

[@badproductions1685]

Will there be any latency?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Technically a bit more than just using the trigger inputs but it wasn't enough for me to notice.

[@SchwappSchwopp]

Would it be possible to send midi from lets say a TD11 module to the eDRUMin10 to extend the setup? I receive signals as I can see in the edrumin software but I don't know how to handle them yet. :-D

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

You won't be able extend the onboard setup (as in, trigger extra sounds that aren't assigned to pads), no. That's only a feature on certain modules. I did an in-depth MIDI video a while ago that covers that if you want more information.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Oh wait, I might have misread what you put. You want to send MIDI from the TD-11 into the eDRUMin to extend the setup... on the computer with software? I think that should work, if I remember rightly the eDRUMin has MIDI Thru, but probably best to double check the manual. You wouldn't get extra trigger inputs on the eDRUMin software though, they would just be sent through it from the module and you would need to adjust trigger settings etc in there.

[@SchwappSchwopp]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thx for the fast reply as usual :D ! Yeah, that is what I'm trying atm, I also receive signals in the software but I don't know how to turn them into sounds yet :D But thx, your answer makes me more confident that this will work somehow. I'll keep you updated, maybe more ppl will have a look at this.

[@matenorth]

Is Td-3 class compliant? I need to use it as a midi slave module. Also are there any cheaper alternatives to the Kenton thing?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

I don't believe the TD-3 has USB, so it can't be class compliant or be used with a USB MIDI Host. However, it does have a full DIN MIDI In port, so you don't need a Host to send MIDI into it.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Oh, and the only slightly cheaper USB MIDI Host I used was a Miditech one and it wasn't very good. The MIDI stream would sometimes jam up and it would miss notes when you played them, then they'd all play together moments later. I think it was only about £10 cheaper, so not much of a saving for much worse performance. If you actually need a USB host, it's probably better to spend the extra cash to buy one that works well.

[@matenorth]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks, by slave i meant secondary module (td-3) that will send midi to my td-17. Does the secondary module have to be class compliant too? Also, since the usb port on the td17 will be used by the midi host, how could i control a vst on pc? My current setup utilizes a roland midi thingy that takes two 5pin cables from the modules and connects to pc via USB. But when i play with the internal sounds i have them daisy chained and im stuck with td-3 sounds on some pads. Thanks

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

The module sending the MIDI wouldn't be the slave, it would be the master. But I think I see what you're hoping to do - send MIDI from the TD-3 into the 17, then pass both along to a VST? Is that right?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Sorry, I didn't see the edit. If you're using internal sounds, there isn't a way to use extra sounds from the TD-17 with the TD-3. The only sounds available are those that are assigned to a pad zone. So the TD-3 can only trigger sounds that are already on the pads hooked up to the TD-17, nothing extra. MIDI "expansion" like that is only possible on certain modules. Roland removed the "percussion set" feature that enabled MIDI expansion after the TD-30.

[@mikalroyhansen9586]

hey luke can Haihat VH13 to to my Roland Td17 Kh Mik

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

The TD-17 isn't technically compatible with the VH-13, no. You could make it work by adding some kind of rubber gasket to the plunger (see my Lemon hi-hat review if you don't know what I mean), but it's really not ideal to do that. It would probably be better to choose a different option since the VH-13 is expensive and you won't get the "proper" functionality from it.

[@randalscandal1588]

Very interesting.

[@indorr]

don't like snare drum sound at all

[@MLC7957]

Is this possible to use td27 digital pad on a strata prime just asking i have a td 27 and planning on getting strata prime planning on combining it just want to know if you tried that option @edrumworkshop

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

It's technically possible by doing the USB MIDI Host workaround, but there are no real benefits to doing it. The Strata Prime will probably work best with Alesis' own pads. If you were keeping both modules, you could send MIDI from the TD-27 module into the Prime. But again, there's not a huge benefit to doing this because the Prime module doesn't support features like positional sensing etc.