Roland TD-17 module How to Record Multitrack Drums with a Roland TD-17 - Drum Recording TD-07 DAW

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[@johnniemichael5620]

Thanks for sharing. I would add 1) On the VENDOR setting, you can use both MIDI and USB Audio Interface on the TD-17 simultaneously, you do not need a separate audio interface to do this, and you'll run less risk of distorting the TD-17's sound by taking the audio straight through the USB. 2) As at least one other commenter mentioned, you can handle the separating of the drum sounds in the DAW instead of the TD-17, which may be much easier in terms of interface. Say you have all the drums together in one MIDI track as you created at the start of your process here. Method A) In Logic and many other DAWs, you can right click on the MIDI region and select "separate by note pitch," this will automatically put each drum on its own track. From there just playback each MIDI track individually while recording the Roland audio to a corresponding audio track. If your DAW doesn't have a "separate by note pitch" feature, then Method B) Duplicate that track once for each drum, retaining the original MIDI track with all the drums for reference and in case of an error. Now let's say your first dupe is going to be the snare. Open the piano roll editor for the MIDI for that track and locate the snare notes. Now select all the snare notes, which will be in a straight line across. Then in most DAWs you can right-click and select "invert selection" to select everything but the snare. Now hit delete to delete all those non-snare notes - this track is now just the snare. Solo that MIDI snare track and play the project back, the Roland will play just the snare while you record that playback to its own corresponding audio track. Wash/rinse/repeat for the other MIDI tracks. With either method, the DAW interface is easier for working through the tedious process, and you won't clutter the module with patches for single-note kits. Good video thanks again.

[@williamsuraci8736]

How do i record usb as audio in protools tho

[@theradiantchild]

What about reaper?

[@BrunoBiggle]

You can copy the MIDI track for how many channels you want and delete all notes except the one you will record. In this way, you will create a copyof your mid track called "Snare" and delete all notes, except the 37, 38 and 40 (the head snares note). Instead you create so many kits in your module, you will create one track for each note you want to split. You just play "solo" in DAW for each track, but using the same kit on TD17 module. Your vídeo inspire this idea in my projects and works! Thank you! For help, here is a list of the default (pad) MIDI Note map in the TD-17: KICK = 36 SNARE (HEAD) = 38 SNARE (RIM) = 40 SNARE X-Stick = 37 TOM 1 = 48 TOM 1 (RIM) = 50 TOM 2 = 45 TOM 2 (RIM) = 47 TOM 3 (HEAD) = 43 TOM 3 (RIM) = 58 HH OPEN (BOW) = 46 HH OPEN (EDGE) = 26 HH CLOSED (BOW) = 42 HH CLOSED (EDGE) = 22 HH PEDAL = 44 CRASH 1 (BOW) = 49 CRASH 1 (EDGE) = 55 CRASH 2 (BOW) = 57 CRASH 2 (EDGE) = 52 RIDE (BOW) = 51 RIDE (EDGE = 59 RIDE (BELL) = 53 AUX (HEAD) = 27 AUX (RIM) = 28

[@demonicsweaters]

Thats awesome! Thank you for figuring that out!

[@BrunoBiggle]

@@demonicsweaters If you put the USB Mode when you record in VENDOR, you can record the MIDI e the RL track using only the USB port. Then you put in GENERIC to record the sounds of module. Don't need the RL output and digital interface! =)

[@demonicsweaters]

@@BrunoBiggle oh really? so Vendor will transmit audio and midi?

[@BrunoBiggle]

@@demonicsweaters Yes... i'll try to make a video to show you..

[@theradiantchild]

@@BrunoBiggle please do! I'm new to all of this and just bought the TD17kvx kit

[@sleepcity]

The note about needing the drums to be on channel 10 ended months of aggravation for me. Thank you so much for making this.

[@publicprofilename4273]

quick tip. Hold the enter button while using the dial, and you go up or down by whole numbers, instead of by hundredths. Saves SSSOOOOO much time!

[@felipeyamahata]

i think it would be a little bit simpler if you just mute the midi notes of every drum you dont want to record on that channel (in ableton), instead of creating a preset for every single drum. I think you would have the same results. Cheers!

[@lucianoharold8449]

i know it is pretty randomly asking but does anyone know a good site to stream newly released series online?

[@RyanConroyMusic]

@@lucianoharold8449 gtfo here dude we are talking about esoteric midi practices

[@vanessacarrpresents5970]

Thank you, Thank You. This is the best tutorial I've seen for Ableton so far. I worked right along with you as you went from step to step and had great success. I will be watching more of your Ableton tutorials.

[@demonicsweaters]

Glad to help!

[@kylestewart4444]

It’s a little silly to sell electronic drum kits with only two audio outputs. I get why they wouldn’t have this feature on very inexpensive entry level kits but anything over $1,000 really should come ready for easy multitrack recording. This is a decent workaround though. I wouldn’t have thought to record a session to midi and send it back through the module for each new track. Having to create new patches with each drum soloed is a little clunky, especially if you want to record several songs, all using different drum sounds. But if you pick a set of samples and tend to stick with those, you can basically do this once and have a quick and easy way to get everything on separate tracks. Thanks for the tip, man. I think I’m gonna buy the TD-17KVX2 so I’m sure I’ll be utilizing this method pretty soon.

[@Lanewaymusic]

Great tutorial. I followed it word for word and it made total sense and it works a treat. Have used it on two songs in the last day and then sharing to band members around the country. A big hand to such a nifty way to come out instrument by instrument. Many thanks from all at Laneway Music in Australia.

[@demonicsweaters]

Glad to hear that!

[@jas_bataille]

So I'm a sound engineer with over a decade programming Roland modules and here's my take away from this : inside the module, there's a function that allow you to make a perfect clone-copy of both audio and MIDI datas, and to replay that copy and scroll through your patches to change the sound of the kit. This is the same as using your DAW to send the MIDI data back. Anyway... So, if you create a copy of the kit for each individual track you want and mute everything else but kick, snare, etc, and then replay the recording of the take that's in the memory of your module (or the DAW in this case), it will record the *audio of only the snare on the snare patch with everything else muted. So then you just have to create a new track for the snare, and replay the take from the module. And... boom!! The snare is now on a separate track. Wants a new snare??? Create a bunch of snare only presets, and switch sound seamlessly in the baffled face of your client. Do the same for the kick, and if they ask for anything else, do it as well. Add in all separate tracks for the mixing engineer. Now, you have both audio AND midi datas, for the "reference track" (overheads) AND for all individual tracks.... GENIUS.

[@Brian-qg8dg]

Jas, I don't see any way to make a copy of a recorded Drum track (recorded in the TD-17) in the TD-17, let alone be able to assign a different drum kit to that audio.

[@seitn]

quiero ver ese video tutorial de este módulo (TD17) cuando lo subas... si lo subes...

[@paulvandusen8849]

You probably figured it out already, but if you hold the enter button while spinning the dial, the td17 changes the parameter faster

[@Wckmt7ok]

HEY! JUSTIN: The Mixcraft DAW says it can record Multi Timbral instruments and place each sound on different tracks. That's what it says in the Mixcraft 9 user guide. Theoretically, this would allow each drum on the TD17, which is a Multi Timbral Instrument, to be recorded with each drum on separate tracks. It's late and I haven't tried it yet.

[@demonicsweaters]

Unfortunately, no, that's not what this means. You would still need multiple outputs for each timbre.

[@W00PIE]

Might be off topic, but I just stumbled upon this neat piece of software: "V-Drums Explorer" by Jon Skeet. One of the next versions will probably allow copy/paste of individual instruments to other kits.

[@danielandersonmusic6702]

This is excellent! Going to try this for my new single! Thankyou!!

[@rahilchadha6649]

Wow sick idea dude! This would make for a great electronic music production setup.

[@lawrencepatrick5760]

Wow this work around is great if you want to dial in your mix. Makes the TD 17 even better.

[@TheJMonster1]

Thank you! Very helpful -- makes my TD-17 much more helpful for recording purposes. Cheers

[@RafiSaibDrummer]

Thanks :) , in Reaper You Can Right Click on Midi Track After Recording it then > Item Processing > Explode Midi By Note [ Pitch ] - To separate Midi without Using Multiple Kits in Drum Module

[@demonicsweaters]

I did no know this! That's awesome, thanks!

[@jonah_sais_quoi]

Instead of making copies for each drum part in the td-17 (i.e. kick, snare, etc.), it's WAY faster to just make copies of the midi track, and then for each drum part just delete the midi notes of the drums you don't want. That way there's no midi triggering the drums you don't want to hear

[@winterdrummer2136]

Think I'll try that, but I think it would work if you just recorded the midi with generic then routed and recorded the other channels with vendor. Also a good tip is to hold down the enter key to fast scroll, less wear and tear on your module.

[@relaxationandmeditationfin7373]

I have a question for everyone please. I followed this example to the letter and it works great (I'm using Ntrack9); however, when I send the MIDI back to the TD17 for each individual track, I'm getting a weird phasing effect on the snare and cymbal tracks but the toms and kick are fine. I'm using a Focusrite Scarlett I/O and there are no effects turned on in my DAW or in the I/O settings, so I'm not sure where the phasing effect is coming from. Has anyone else encountered this and if so, could you please let me know how you fixed the issue?

[@richardstewart6539]

Just ran into this same issue. Were you able to solve?

[@publicprofilename4273]

holy crap! You're a freakin genius! I've wanted to be able to do this forever! I've not done it yet, but I understand the concept, and yes, it will absolutely work for my needs, without currently having an interface. Damn man, that's the most epic hack EVER for the td17! It never occurred to me to try that, but it seems so obvious now. Thank you sir! You get my sub and you get a full play, like, and comments, on at least 10 videos for this.

[@jeffsharpe8430]

Thanks so much for this great tutorial. I ran into something in Ableton that prevented my MIDI output from driving the TD-17, and it took a long time to find. It's in the Ableton config, MIDI tab. Where you see Out: TD-17, click the down-caret. MIDI Clock Type should be set to Pattern, not Song. Hope this helps, thanks again.

[@publicprofilename4273]

Buddy, I've not even gotten into the video yet, so I'll reply here with my results. I was struck by your comment about superior drummer, and EZdrummer. I prefer the sounds in SD, I've got 2.0, not 3 :(, but I can't seem to get my kit emulated perfectly in sd2. I use lots of layering to maximize sample options. For instance, my tom rims are the tom rim sound, but when you hit them hard, they're a splash, a trash crash, china, and a stack. Also, the bow on my crashes is layered with additional crashes. This allows me to have a massive kit with 4 toms, 2 splashes, 2 chinas, trash crash, and a stack. Oh, you just burst my bubble lol, I had a Presonus Firepod 8 channel interface, but it recently died, and now I'm just straight into the PC with USB, and 1/4 to 1/8 cables direct.

[@jakekaye6545]

Liking it now.. watching it later.. morning!👍

[@gabet3754]

You’re essentially re-amping your midi. Seems time consuming, but effective

[@frmatteop.3628]

wow!! it run!!! Thank you, super helpfull video!

[@demonicsweaters]

Glad to help!

[@javierbustoscifuentes47]

you can copy the midi tracks and erase the extra notes and repeat the same process. works for all sound banks of the drum set. what do you think? sorry for my English, I speak Spanish.

[@demonicsweaters]

That's another way to do yep.

[@cristianriquelme8002]

Javier querido, tambien hablo español, en estos dias voy a estar probando lo del video, me das una mano cualquier duda?

[@thorvelizelos]

Great thinking man!

[@jerrygamez5723]

Thanks for the video

[@district48beatz56]

You're a genius thanks so much 🤝🙏🙏🙏

[@CHOPPERGUNNERGOD86]

Any Reaper users know how to play the MIDI back to the module to record each individual track in Reaper? Can’t figure out how to do it.

[@noompsieOG]

I’m going to suss this out soon. I’m thinking right click track panel the click add new instrument /midi instrument , then route it to the td17 or input 10 or some shiz , I’m still wrapping my head around this though , if I’d know it was gonna be this difficult I wouldn’t have wasted 3 k on the td17 and just shelled out and gotten the 27 or 50 because the only reason I wanted a Roland was to record out to my daw then mix from there 🤦‍♂️

[@robertlalonde4497]

same here, I didnt figure it out yet in reaper

[@noompsieOG]

@@robertlalonde4497 I recently had a sort of breakthrough , do you use vst drums in reaper ?

[@Mrluchendo]

Hi mate. I’m a bit late to respond! You might have figured it out by now. All you have to do is go into the routes in the faders and under midi hardware output select td17. Just below it select send to channel 10.

[@CHOPPERGUNNERGOD86]

@@Mrluchendo thanks for the reply! I still haven’t figured it out, what exactly are faders and where are they located in reaper?

[@matthiasmetz8451]

If I would follow your approach ... I just would mute all MIDI data and solo only the drum instrument I am interested in (e.g. only snare, only kick drum, only Hi-Hat, etc.) But, and anyway, I hope I find something smarter soon ... cause, there must be something better out there ... to accomplish the same result ...

[@anthonylarussa8385]

Doing this immediately

[@c_vanwyk99]

I want to record the on board sounds of my TD-17 into GarageBand and not use superior drummer Will this tutorial help me achieve that

[@demonicsweaters]

You could do it much simpler than this if all you want are stereo drum tracks. Just use the TD-17 driver as your audio device in Garageband and you're good to go!

[@abc456f]

Would you need to do the recording of audio + playback of midi for each drum piece you want in separate tracks for each new project? Would creating a template make it possible to avoid having to do the multi recording + playback for every new project? If not, I see someone here was gracious enough to list the midi values for a drum map for the td-17. Seems that would be the easier solution.

[@demonicsweaters]

Yeah, I think a better solution now is to just copy and paste the tracks then filter out the notes you don't want.

[@abc456f]

​@demonicsweaters Did this today. I created a drum map for the td-17. Recorded the drums on a midi track. Went to the piano roll view in my DAW (Cakewalk), and solo'd the kick, created an audio track named "kick", played the midi back while recording the audio track. Repeated this for each drum piece. This is fine but want I want to do is, record multitrack in real time, which it appears can't be done unless 1. You use a drum vst or 2. Have a td-27 or td-50. Those two modules have an option for multitrack recording. I have EZ Drummer 3 and Kontakt 7 with Komplete 14 so I do have a wide variety of kits to choose from but it still would be nice to be able to record the td-17 in real time to seperate tracks for each drum piece. One thing I couldn't find for the drum map was a value for choking the cymbals. Although I am kind of proud of myself for even getting a drum map to work. It always seemed like something that was beyond my capabilities. But I watched one of Creative Sauce's videos, and he provided a link to download a drum map for the SI drums which comes with Cakewalk. I had a midi note value list that Roland put out, so I loaded the SI kit's drum map and edited it with the td-17's values. Boom, it worked! But as much as I tried, I could not find a way to do the real time multitrack recording. I guess for the price of the td-17, and I have the td-17kvx, they didn't include that feature. Maybe Roland will release an update with that feature included. That would be sweet.

[@Wckmt7ok]

You are a genius. Is there a way we can patch MIDI to do automation at playback for mixing?

[@demonicsweaters]

You would most likely need to automate after you record the audio back into your DAW

[@Wckmt7ok]

Oh yes, you're right. automation is a post recording action. I don't have a whole lot of experience using automation but I imagine after the midi info was entered you could change the whole drumset patch with an entirely differenct set if the set was midi as well

[@sergeyswan9413]

Hi everyone! Tell me if someone had to install their own (third-party) custom sounds for Hi-Hat in the Roland TD-17 module. I recently purchased a Roland TD-17 KVX, and I can't install third-party custom Hi-Hat sounds in the TD-17 module. The sounds are loaded well, but it is impossible to install them so that the Hi-Hat sounds correctly, with the right sound in each extraction phase! For the rest of the instruments: Snare, Kick, Toms, Cymbals, everything loads and sounds, but for Hi-Hat it does not work! Third-party custom sounds are all in the right format (.wav) at 44.1 kHz/16 bits. With all types of strikes on VH-10 (Bow shot (Head-side), Edge shot (Rim-side), Open, Closed), one custom sound sounds, the one that you set first to any phase of sound extraction from Hi-Hat (Bow shot (Head-side), Edge shot (Rim-side), Open, Closed). That is, if, for example, you set the sound for the Edge shot mode, then it also sounds on other sound extraction modes with Hi-Hat. Is it possible in principle to install custom sounds for Hi-Hat in the Roland TD-17 module or not? This topic is not covered by anyone anywhere at all! I would be very grateful to anyone who will share information on installing third-party custom sounds for Hi-Hat in the Roland TD-17 module!

[@Brian-qg8dg]

Hey Dominic, I was not able to get the MIDI signal to send back to TD-17 using Studio One. Your Ableton seems to be more user friendly when assigning inputs and outputs per track. I believe in Studio One, once you assign, all tracks are assigned.

[@demonicsweaters]

I don't know anything about Studio One honestly. I've never used it.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Printer type cable: USB Type B

[@laptoples]

Can you mix them live like this to the front of the house ? I know you can do 4 mixes with the 2 mains and 2 direct outs, but I was wondering if this would work some how and you'd have a completely individual mix of each piece ? Anyone ever try it in a live setting ? If I try it I'll come back and letcha know...lol Thanks again for making this helpful video dude !!! Appreciate all that you do !!!!! :-)

[@demonicsweaters]

Not this, but you could use a multichannel output audio interface and with EZDrummer can assign each output to separate drums.

[@mastro.domenico]

i really cannot figure out how to do this in FL studio 20.. anyone help me out?

[@DarylDCChestnut]

Sorry if I missed this, but have you had any issues mapping the 17 to GarageBand (iPad/iPhone)? I notice that some of the pads don’t respond at all when hit(what’s being picked up on GarageBand).

[@ken6763]

how do you specifically pick a patch on the TD17? right now when i go channel 10 it plays the entire set not just the kick for example

[@abrahamsotelo3115]

This tutorial has helped me out tremendously! I just purchased a TD-17kvx and I won’t be getting superior drummer any time soon. This method works perfectly on Pro Tools. But am having trouble recording MIDI on FL Studio. It only seems to be recording an Audio Track and a midi pattern with no sound.

[@demonicsweaters]

Glad I could help! Sorry, I never really used FL Studio much.

[@ElChitarrino]

Anyone stumbled across this in Cubase? I'm having a hard time sending the MIDI back into the kit. Thanks in advance you guys!

[@crehbe]

I'm using "Vendor" on the TD17. In Cubase, record your drums as explained. On the midi track I choose for Routing-in my Audio Interface and for Routing-out the "TD 17"

[@JoshMackOfficial]

whats the song in the beginning of video

[@demonicsweaters]

It's called "Rot" and on the latest DS album open.spotify.com/track/32K9uvnFHJriu0Ku6mZpUJ?si=36da4295e56943a1. If you prefer bandcamp anthillrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/is-that-you

[@jamiecrowther2410]

Why not edit the midi file in your DAW? You could just delete everything but the snare for example. Seems like an easier way to do it.

[@abc456f]

Any tips on how to use this method in Cakewalk? I'm going to look it up but maybe you might point me in the right direction. Thanks a lot.

[@noompsieOG]

Wait … I paid 3k for the TD17 and I could have got a 50?

[@babymonkeymind]

are you using a hi speed printer cable? wondering if a non-hi-speed cable results in any extra bit of detectable latency. tried to click on your reverb shop link above but it only takes you to reverb's general page.

[@demonicsweaters]

It’s just an Amazon basics usb 2.0 cable. Any modern DAW should have latency compensation anyway, so it really shouldn’t make much of a difference, though I’m not even sure you can even buy usb 1 cables anymore, haha. The link’s working for me, I just tested it. Not sure why it’s not for you.

[@williamperri3437]

I was very disappointed the first few times I played the kit but I was at a music store. I do remember it triggering incredibly well but that's nothing new with the Roland. I'm guessing if you still use it you're not going to run with the stock sounds but I could be wrong, have you played with editing the sounds and have you found sounds you really like?

[@noompsieOG]

You can get full packs and epic sounding kits that can be transferred and imported to the td17 via usb it’s actually quite useful , I can also record my own sounds in wav and then export them to kit also

[@lowag3144]

does this mean you have to play each for the drum parts?

[@LukeThomasPerth]

hey mate, ive got the VH10 hi hat, but for some reason, i CANT get it to map accurately to MIdi...any advice?

[@demonicsweaters]

Try setting it to VH11 or 12 in the module. I have run into weirdness on my TD-27 where I have to set it to VH10 when doing midi, even though I have a VH11.

[@babymonkeymind]

so dope. thank you!!!!

[@babymonkeymind]

finally got set up and it works great. definitely a lot easier than i had imagined. thank you again for the excellent tutorial!

[@demonicsweaters]

That's awesome! Glad you got it working! Yeah, it's not so bad.

[@babymonkeymind]

@@demonicsweaters so i seem to be having an issue with a slight delay when recording the played back post performance individual drum tracks. during the initial performance, my direct audio out captures the full drum set (the scratch track) easily and in time with the metronome, and the usb midi captures the midi data on time as well. when i want to record the individual drums, i have the track configured so it sends midi data from the DAW midi track to the TD 17 module and then i capture the audio of that drum on a separate track using the 1/4 outs back into my interface. what i've noticed is the retriggered drums are dragging a little when they are recorded. i havent had any issues with latency with any other gear. any recommendation on how to remedy the issue? could it be latency? id rather not have manually drag my audio drum tracks over and guess exactly where they should line up. send help please.....

[@demonicsweaters]

@@babymonkeymind If you're using ableton, make sure you're not using software monitoring, because that will add latency. Also, could be the issue on other DAWs

[@babymonkeymind]

@@demonicsweaters so are you monitoring directly out of the module? i cant find any info on software monitoring and how not to do this. is there something i could be missing with a setting in the td 17 that allows me to hear the backing track coming from ableton and the drum sounds that are coming from the td 17, both at the same time? i have my audio in turned up to a decent level so that's not the problem. the only way i can hear the live drums and backing track is through my interface headphone output. also, for some reason my initial scratch audio is being recorded just a touch earlier than the midi notes are recording. i've tested it just playing quarter notes to a click track to make sure everything is on time. i would assume that the audio scratch track would have some latency if anything, but it seems to be a hair ahead of the midi. just out of curiosity, would you please share your latency settings you have for ableton? in/out sample rate: default sr & pitch conversion: Buffer size: Input latency: Output latency: Driver error compensation: Overall latency:

[@MarkLadanan]

Hi! Thanks for the video. Does this work on Garageband? I tried it tonight but I don't seem to know how to send MIDI back to the TD-17 from GB. Help? 😔😔😔

[@demonicsweaters]

Unfortunately GB doesn't support midi outputs

[@MarkLadanan]

@@demonicsweaters Oh bummer. Thanks for the quick reply anyways! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@hammockpacker]

Hey Justin, thanks for another super helpful video! I just recently purchased a TD-17 KVX and started experimenting with the module. I’m wondering if you know whether this same set up would work using MIDI over Bluetooth vs using a USB cable? I currently use an iPad for most of my recording and have my audio interface plugged into that through the camera adapter. The Bluetooth MIDI worked for recording the MIDI but it doesn’t seem to work for triggering the sounds in the module with the MIDI I’ve already recorded. Any ideas?

[@demonicsweaters]

hmm, that I'm not super sure about. It may be that bluetooth midi only goes one way. I am going to be hooking my TD-17 back up in the next couple days, so I'll play with it and see what I can figure out.

[@hammockpacker]

Awesome, I appreciate it!

[@hammockpacker]

@@demonicsweaters I’m not exactly sure why, but the Bluetooth MIDI is working properly now! So you can use this same method using MIDI over Bluetooth instead of using the USB cable. Could be useful if someone (like me) wants to record on an iPad/iPhone without multiple USB ports available.

[@demonicsweaters]

@@hammockpacker wow, that's really good to know, and makes it way easier!

[@hammockpacker]

@@demonicsweaters So after some further attempts it looks like while the MIDI over bluetooth technically works, it has some serious delay issues and not everything gets recorded properly, especially when doing more intricate grooves. So the plan now is to use a USB hub with the iPad, we’ll see if that works...

[@giannispan8129]

I have the td17. I want to ask if there is China sound and splash on td17. And if so how can I find these sounds?

[@demonicsweaters]

The complete instrument list is on page 26 in the DATA List static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/TD-17_DataList_eng02_W.pdf

[@dubsiko]

Why not copy MIDI track as many times as you need and copy the midi notes corresponding??

[@jas_bataille]

Because those MIDI notes have to be linked to the sounds generated by the module : inside the module, there's a function that allow you to make a perfect clone-copy of both audio and MIDI datas, and to replay that copy and scroll through your patches to change the sound of the kit. So, if you create a copy of the kit for each individual track you want and mute everything else but kick, snare, etc, and then *replay the recording of the take that's in the memory of your module*, it will record the *audio* of only the snare on the snare patch with everything else muted. So then you just have to create a new track for the snare, and replay the take from the module. And... boom!! The snare is now on a separate track. Wants a new snare??? Create a bunch of snare only presets, and switch sound seamlessly in the baffled face of your client. Do the same for the kick, and if they ask for anything else, do it as well. Add in all separate tracks for the mixing engineer. Now, you have both audio AND midi datas, for the "reference track" (overheads) AND for all individual tracks.... GENIUS.

[@Brian-qg8dg]

@@jas_bataille My TD-17 does not have an option to copy a recorded track Where are you fining this?

[@sub-jec-tiv]

That would totally work. Just make sure you’re only sending one midi track at a time over usb.

[@lionelmarx573]

Does this work in GarageBand? I see nothing that would allow me to record back into a midi track to the midi itself

[@MarkLadanan]

Following. Same concern here. 😔

[@PS-ys9yg]

is it possible to record loops in real time only with the roland td17 module?

[@demonicsweaters]

No, I don’t think so

[@Rikster_79]

Hey buddy, great video. Very useful. Do you know if this would work on garage band on iOS? (Mac book). I can’t see how to send audio back via midi. Any help will be grateful.

[@demonicsweaters]

Unfortunately GarageBand can’t do midi out, only midi in. I haven’t tried it, but the new Logic Pro for iOS may do it.

[@Rikster_79]

@@demonicsweaters thanks for the reply buddy. You confirmed what I thought. I may see if Reaper does it. Logic is a bit pricey for my amateur butt!

[@demonicsweaters]

Reaper does not run on iOS unfortunately

[@Rikster_79]

@@demonicsweaters runs on my Mac book okay. I don’t think it works on iPad.

[@demonicsweaters]

@@Rikster_79 Yep, that's what I was saying. No iOS version.

[@martin_gllt]

Hey how you recorded audio from the drum pad into ableton ??

[@demonicsweaters]

There are a few different ways, one is just to plug the 1/4" audio outputs from the device to an audio interface, or if you are using a TD-17, you can use the USB connection to transmit audio.

[@Zipsmurd]

@Demonic Sweaters, does this method work using other DAWs like Reaper, or Garage Band? Thanks!

[@demonicsweaters]

Yes it does!

[@Zipsmurd]

@@demonicsweaters Thanks. Just for shits 'n giggles...Which of those DAWs would you recommend to an absolute beginner to learn this technique? Thanks, again!

[@demonicsweaters]

@@Zipsmurd Reaper!

[@giannispan8129]

Hello! I have the Roland td17kvx and I would like to record videos from the brain TD17 on the Android smartphone Huawei p30 pro I have. What do you suggest I do which connection? thanks!

[@demonicsweaters]

You may just be able to run the USB from the TD17 directly to the phone.

[@giannispan8129]

@@demonicsweaters I made the connection with USB cable from td 17 to the smartphone but nothing. Do I need to make any adjustments to my smartphone camera?

[@demonicsweaters]

@@giannispan8129 The camera might not support USB input. I really don't know anything about Huawei phones. You could try using Open Camera and select external mic input in the settings.

[@aafjeyakubu5124]

Hey Justin, have you ever used (or tried to use) any of the multi-track recording apps for tablets/phones? Just curious.

[@demonicsweaters]

I have. Audio Evolution for Android is about the best there is on that platform. But to me, the performance was never spectacular. Honestly none of the android options can even come close to how good Garageband works on iOS. If you really want to make music on mobile, Apple is the best option. You could legitimately create an album with Garageband if you wanted to. If you want to make purely electronic music, G-Stomper on Android works great, but it's not really for recording instruments.

[@aafjeyakubu5124]

@@demonicsweaters While I'm not really much of a cheerleader for Apple anything, Garageband is one of the best apps I've used. I'm mostly looking for experimentation purposes. I've tried getting JACK working with linux with mixed results (heartbreaking). If you don't mind my asking, what was/is the biggest problem with the Android apps? I've frequently heard latency is a huge bottleneck, particularly with the lower-end hardware. I appreciate your insight. Thank you!

[@demonicsweaters]

@@aafjeyakubu5124 Yeah, latency is generally very bad, also distorted audio input if you use the built-in device. Also, instability seems to be an issue.

[@EqDior]

@Jason Hackney just chiming in a little. Demonic sweaters is right performance wise it will be very tough to get android to play right with latency issues......unless you use an audio interface with it. The 2 best apps i have used is bandlab and fl studio mobile.

[@aafjeyakubu5124]

@@EqDior Thanks for sharing.

[@thorvelizelos]

Sorry to bother you man, but I am trying to make this work in Cubase. I did everything you said. Td-17 is set to Generic. I have created different kits on the Td-17 and lowered everything but 1 sound on each. It worked fine to record the whole kit to a stereo track in Cubase as well as to a midi track. But now when I change the midi track to output Td-17 and set it to Chanel 10, then record enable the kick audio track that I have created in Cubase (set to input1/2 as I have the Td-17 conected to input 1 and 2 on my UAD Apollo Solo interface), and change to the kick kit on the TD-17. But when I hit record no audio is being recorded to the kick audio track. Do I have to change the Td-17 Usb setting from generic when I am about to record onto the kick audio track in Cubase, or any idea what I might be doing wrong? Would really apreciate it.

[@demonicsweaters]

did you confirm the midi output is working? Also, Generic is MIDI only, Vendor is audio and MIDI

[@demonicsweaters]

And when using vendor you need to install the driver from Roland

[@thorvelizelos]

@@demonicsweatersIt worked now when I changed the TD-17 back to Vendor before the last step of recording the separate kick and other sound from the midi track in the DAW to the td-17 and back to the DAW as audio. You never specify in the video that you have to change back to vendor before the last steps so I presumed I should just leave it on Generic through the whole process. Maybe you could just add that detail to the video or write it in the description?:) Anyway, thanks man!

[@demonicsweaters]

@@thorvelizelos I didn't do it that way, I was using Generic the whole time. I think though you can actually use Vendor the whole time. At the time of making this video I didn't realize vendor did audio and MIDI simultaneously.

[@thorvelizelos]

@@demonicsweaters oh ok i see, strange then that generic didnt work for me, anyway it doesnt matter. Thanks again.

[@BrosGrimPunk]

Does this work for the TD07?

[@demonicsweaters]

Theoretically it should work! Yes!

[@tecnoline57]

Optimal. In summary what is the goal? I already use the td17 kv with usb output and use the sounds of LOGIC (SOCAL ECC) but I must say that compared to the TD17 with the sounds of your library introduces a bit of latency.

[@Brian-qg8dg]

The goal, having individual tracks for each drum and having those tracks use the sounds from the TD-17

[@Fightookaishii]

Have you been able to multi track drums from the TD17 KV module successfully in your DAW?

[@gregnunz6312]

Great workaround but way to time consuming and cumbersome. Any other way to do it via s/w perhaps? I hope Roland gives us the feature via a new s/w rev in the future...

[@sub-jec-tiv]

No.. if you want separate outputs, you need to spend another $1500 on a TD27. Roland did it on purpose so pros would have to save up and buy the 27. The 17 is aimed at people practicing at home. It’s Roland’s greed; they could have included that functionality but they left it out on purpose.

[@yolandepierre9054]

hello je porte interet particulier pour multitrack td 17 pour les branchements si j ai bien compris, les sorties physiques stereo pas de soucis elles vont vers entrées cartes son rien ne change,par contre sortie usb module td 17 ?Le cable usb se branche ou ?si c est sur carte son m oblige a retirer usb de carte son vers ordi ,sur votre video n est pas demontrer sauf erreur de ma part merc i beaucoup

[@jonathanbott1144]

And it seems like only yesterday when you were bigging up the TD-5

[@demonicsweaters]

You could do this on a TD-5 too using the MIDI Din connections.

[@jonathanbott1144]

@@demonicsweaters True, true

[@jas_bataille]

@@demonicsweaters Can you do this on a TD-9? Cuz of the pandemic I can't access my acoustic drums no more, too many problems with renting a space. I spent over a decade programming my TD-9 back when it was the #1 - still is for a lot of drummers touring for pads - and I really need to be able to output multiple tracks for clients.

[@louispierre9694]

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[@starkey7217]

First 😂