Creation Museum Grand Opening on Bill O'Reillys Show (28-May-07)

[@walkergarya]

27 million dollars that could have been used to feed or house the poor. Good job!

[@imax1971]

It's amazing that in this day and age of knowledge we are even having this conversation..

[@erniehudson1]

the fact that dr krauss agrees that it is certainly plausible that god started the whole process just shows how old that video is and how much krauss evolved in the last few years

[@VincentGuillotine]

This anchor is now the governor of Ohio. Let me repeat: a Fox News anchor has an actual seat of political power. And I must scream.

[@KOSKentOlaf]

When you're with the Flintstones Have a yabba dabba doo time, a dabba doo time. We'll have a gay old time

[@THUTH-ix3tt]

Science has proven the bible wrong so many times it not even funny any more.

[@yhenry77]

Examples please!

[@THUTH-ix3tt]

David Henry Read the first page of the bible and tell me it was not written by men who thought the earth was flat and the center of everything. ''above the circle of the earth'' I can draw a circle on a flat piece of paper. AND there was no global flood.

[@wjmackenzie955]

David Henry Sprinkling dead bird blood on a leprosy victims does not cure the disease. Debunked bible stuff there.... actually, dousing bird blood on people, particularly one with open sores and wounds is a great way to spread other diseases or infections. No global flood, no ark. The moon is not a light source. Bats are not birds, they're mammals. The earth was not created before the sun. Likewise, the earth is not an immovable object, it's in constant orbit around the sun. While many languages have developed from earlier common languages, they did not all appear at once as per the tower of babel story. They've developed over many centuries, at different rates, and from many different earlier languages which were already present at the rough timeframe of the babel story. Unlike what Jacob would have you believe, you do not get striped goats by breading unstriped goats next to a streaked rod. God apparently lead the israelites through the land of the philistines centuries before the philistines actually inhabited the lands... Likewise, mention of the city of Dan longbefore the namesake of the city was even born... God was supposedly to curse anyone who tried to rebuild Jericho.... It's considered one of the world's oldest continuously inhabited cities. Tyre was supposed to be wiped off the face of the earth forever. Still standing. Absolom's hair apparently weighed over 2 kilos given that a shekel weighed about 10 or 11 grams, and his haired weighed in at 200 shekels... 2 Samuel puts Israel's army at around 1.3 million... seems a little off for a small tribal army. Consider that the US's military stands at somewhere around 1.4 million active duty soldiers... Ostriches do not abandon their young, nor are they cruel. The parents actually take turns keeping the eggs warm, and care for the young for a month, after which they have matured enough to survive on their own. Snails do not melt. Herod supposedly killed all boy 2 years or younger in Jerusalem. You'd think such a massacre would have earned at least a footnote in the works of at least one contemporary historian. Nope.... "Thy faith has made thee whole" because hey, fuck medical science and doctors and stuff. Mustard seeds are not the smallest seeds, and do not grow into the greatest trees known. Jesus was a fuck poor gardener it seems.... When Jesus was crucified, there was apparently a huge earthquake, and a whole load of zombies running around the city.... funny how such an event doesnt' earn a footnote in any contemporary historical documentation like that child massacre... Jesus apparently healed deafness by sticking his fingers in a deaf guy's ear and spitting. This breathtaking medical technique has yet to been reproduced in two thousand years... and not even so much as a clue as how to sticking shit in ears and spitting could cure deafness in the first place.... Multiple new testament statements that paralysis and disease are caused by being 'sinful'. That's right... breaking your back and becoming paralysed is sin.... Jeebus can cure that though Another NT blunder.... the red moon is not a bloody sign of the apocalypse. it happens during eclipses, no armagedon required. So.... You want more examples, or you had enough yet?

[@jean-marccloutier4309]

David Henry You want more examples, or you had enough yet? A polite person would answer.

[@yhenry77]

Jean-Marc Cloutier OK, thanks for reminding me... 1) does not cure the disease. It did back then, it may NOT now; it's called a step of faith. 2) No global flood, no ark? Isn't strange that most ancient cultures have some account of the flood. How can that be? This is before the internet, phones, planes, ocean ships, mail, television etc. www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html 3) moon is not a light source? The bible says "lesser light to govern the night" Genesis 1:16 Common sense says the moon reflects light and therefore a LIGHT source. 4) Moses tells us about the birds and then he lists them out. The bat is included in this list. So? The word "mammal" is modern, from the scientific name Mammalia coined by Carl Linnaeus in 1758, derived from the Latin mamma ("teat, pap"). 5) earth was not created before the sun? "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." - Genesis 1:1 6) languages developed over many centuries? There is no conclusive proof where languages come from, in-fact it's more of a mystery for linguist or scientists. 7) see # 1 8) God cursed those rebuilt the city. That's true, about five hundred and thirty years later (ca. 850 B.C.), during the reign of King Ahab, a man named Hiel3 of Bethel rebuilt Jericho. Just as God had said, when he laid the foundation, he lost his firstborn son (Abiram); and when he set up the gates, he lost his youngest son (Segub) (1 Kgs. 16:34). 9) The bible says "I will make you a bare rock; you will be a place for the spreading of nets. You will be built no more, for I the LORD have spoken," declares the Lord GOD." - Ezekiel 26:14 Noticed it says YOU will be built no more and not anyone else. 10) weighed in at 200 shekels? OK, were you there? 11) see #9 12) Ostriches - Fewer than 10% of nests survive the 9 week period of laying and incubation, and of the surviving chicks, only 15% of those survive to 1 year of age. - Wikipedia 2014 13) Bible says "Let them be as a snail which melts away as it goes along," LOL... huh? it's called slime. 14) Doesn't prove anything.... 15) Thy faith has made thee whole" it refers to "body, soul and mind:. 16) The bible says "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed" notice is says LIKE, it's called analogy. 17) All four gospels and Tacitus in Annals (XV,44) agree that the crucifixion occurred when Pontius Pilate was procurator of Judea from 26-36 AD. Geologist Jefferson Williams says varves, which are annual layers of deposition in the sediments, reveal that at least two major earthquakes affected the core: a widespread earthquake in 31 B.C. and an early first century seismic event that happened sometime between 26 A.D. and 36 A.D. 18) Hint: He's the Son of God 19) Not always: "His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life." - John 9:2-3 20) red moon is not a sign? It's called *four blood moons*. We just had two and another two is due in 2015. The first comes April 15, 2014, the second day of Passover. The second will come on October 8, 2014, during the Jewish Feast of the Tabernacles. The third will come on April 5, 2015, during next year's Passover celebration, and the fourth will arrive on September 28, 2015, another Feast of the Tabernacles, also known as Sukkot. It's not the End of Days, but watch the middle east and Israel over the next year.

[@nickgrossman2385]

that museum should be felt as a huge embarrassment to american people. It's a shame your educational system has failed you guys.

[@larrypryor63]

Thank you for your civility, God's been there,done that. He won't try to make us appreciate blessings, freewill,forgiveness,salvation,eternal life,Love.

[@arfolc]

There are about as many creationist scientists as there are atheist priests.

[@cdhanks]

When I was in high school in the 1950's Creationism and it's bastard cousin, Intelligent Design was un-heard of. Most people believed in god, but we also were only taught science and evolution in school, never religion. Our country has gone backwards with the religious right having so much influence on government! The only bright spot is that a large number of educated, intelligent young people are leaving religion behind every day. I hope within 10-15 years religion will be put on the back burner and only relevant in churches and private schools, never in government, education or public life in any form. Despite what the right-wing religious believe, this country was founded as a secular nation needs to return to that.

[@ophirdog]

Crazy museums, Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff. Looks like America still has a long way to go.

[@daisyq3418]

It's gotten WORSE, now that Trump's besties are greedy-griftin' evangelicals

[@mercuryRed347]

People were created by God. Science was created by man. Done.

[@TheAtticus19]

Ha! Oh, John Kasich. You think Ken Ham is a "reasonable person." That's cute.

[@JAAAJE]

A Museum that I am definitely going to visit with my husband. God is our creator not evolution. I love you Lord.

[@MagicActor1987]

@elinikk Fictional example: A fish has fins. Maybe the webbing retracts a bit over many years. It retracts further, to the point where the bone structures have more independent control. It retracts even further, to the point where it's practically gone and those independent bone structures have become a sort of rudimentary foot. It's hard to illustrate the concept well without pictures. . . But no one's claiming a whole new species just pops out of another one. It's very gradual.

[@larrypryor63]

It does seem atrocious,even in context,but out of context it's worse. The wages of sin is death,and terror! More is to Come I'm sorry!

[@osallent]

Let the Creationists build their museums. They are doing it with their own PRIVATE funds. We are free in this country to spend our money. They are no threat to real science and the truth about evolution.

[@torch_ss5797]

Creatard Museum: A facility designed to promote the notion that a plastic dinosaur with a saddle on its back proves Jesus.

[@gvman3670]

What a lot of people don't understand, and Christians who accept evolution and an old Earth are guilty of as well, is that evolution DOES shoot Christianity in the foot. It doesn't really have a big effect on other religions, since evolution doesn't do a thing to Muslim or Jewish theology. But for Christian theology to work a literal Genesis HAS TO HAVE HAPPENED. Without a Garden, a magical tree, an Adam and Eve, a talking serpent and a FALL for mankind then there is no point in a messiah who comes to die to offer the gift of atonement for that Original Sin. So young earth creationists, sadly, seem to be the only ones who really understand their theology. Why moderate or liberal Christians don't get it is beyond me.

[@yhenry77]

Or maybe we shouldn't stereotype people and call them creationists, moderate or liberal Christians? We should maybe listen to individual beliefs and thoughts?

[@gvman3670]

David Henry Sure, but if those beliefs are silly, superstitious and ultimately immoral, all while denying science and reality, then their beliefs don't mean squat and they're only worthy of ridicule at that point.

[@dutchoveno8475]

Actually it shoots Judaism in the foot as well because the stories of genesis are consistent with both religions.

[@MaceLupo]

Wrong. Creationists can be hindus, muslims, jews and christians. Most muslims are creationists and believe in Adam and Eve.

[@rtwhite1546]

They don't need it. I don't think any of their beliefs are true, but taking Genesis or any other holy book as an imperfect creations of men inspired by their deity surely allows for allegorical interpretations.

[@AephursLocket]

@AephursLocket in my 2nd post, I meant "Let's say I'm trying to prove IF grass will stain my white pants." not "Let's say I'm trying to prove THAT grass will stain my white pants."

[@AlphaCrucis]

I love how Lawrence Krauss handled this. The host didn't even suspect that Krauss was a non-believer.

[@NegativeBeef]

Using that 27 million dollars to wipe my ass would've been a better way to spend the money then building that "museum"

[@TimTeatro]

I don't want to put words in Prof. Krauss' mouth, but I think I can finish his last sentence. Mystery is wonderful, it's those who pretend to have the answers that have the problem.

[@AstronomyGuru84]

Grammar: The difference between knowing you’re shit and knowing your shit.

[@shaner29]

Let’s have a debate where we cut it off right before the debate begins…

[@damaged01]

The Creationist Museum is a museum dedicated to keeping people in the dark ages with a dying and hopelessly obsolete idea.

[@johnanthony3136]

Science: Here are the facts. What conclusions can we draw from them? Creationism: Here is the conclusion. What facts can we find to support it?

[@burkerow]

No, Fox News didn't go to Ken Ham as an expert, they had him there because he's the CEO of AIG and The Creation Museum.

[@JACKtheRIPP3R189]

"some people don't like it" Namely everyone who made it past the 9th grade.

[@Stacy55ish]

Who would have thought that fundamentalist religion is more scientific than science! Extraordinary!

[@G2010J]

As if the government never spent millions of dollars on something stupid.

[@evildrdoom01]

@Devin82m The shock i am talking about are things like pH shock. If you have ever owned or looked after an aquarium you should know about it and many other types of shock caused by changing water conditions.

[@TAllen287]

Only in America can this place get built. This would be totally unacceptable in the Great Britain.

[@thisisaguy]

@elinikk Does cosmology count as an applied science? What about physics, astronomy or stellar science? Are these applied sciences which are good, provable and testable?

[@DMan-G]

Does Ken Ham haunt anybody else's nightmares? He floats through my door with his non-ceasing incoherent drone that seemingly never began and never ended.

[@Mdebacle]

A person who believes in evolution must necessarily, at the edges of rationality, believe: (A) Spiders had ancestors learning how to spin webs, (B) Moths had ancestors learning how to spin cocoons, (C) Bees had ancestors learning how to construct wax hives. Evolution has a very religious ring tone.

[@Spetsop]

They wasted $27 MILLION on THAT crap? Burning that much money would have done more good than spending it on building something that puts huge shame on the word "museum"!

[@TheMte1000]

The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

[@evildrdoom01]

@Devin82m Sorry again. But do you happen to have any articles outside of CMI or anything without the word creation in the website name... say anything that has been published in a non religious, non bias scientific journal?

[@crazyinsane500]

Remember people, the Flintstones is a documentary according to Answers In Genesis.

[@ChipArgyle]

It's in the Bible: taking females as spoils of war as your own possession to ultimately become your wife. All you have to do is wait a month to let her finish mourning her lost loved ones, then she's all yours and has no say in it.

[@nedla15]

I can't believe that we are still having this conversation. Jesus fucking Christ

[@RudySpino]

As for the Hot molten Mass: that is immposible because of the Radio Polonium Halos that they find buried deep. Robert V. Gentry studied these halos which appeared to have arisen from Po-218 rather than U-238 and concluded that solid rock must have been created with these polonium inclusions, which decayed with a half-life of 3 minutes. They could not have been formed from molten rock which took many millennia to cool (the standard theory) because polonium decays in a few minutes.

[@DontAsk4ThumbsUp]

Religion itself doesn't hinder anything. The religious extremist and constant bickering between atheist and believers hinder mankind's future.

[@tikiduck]

These Christian "professors" are about as legit as the professor on Gilligan's Island.

[@Smada059]

There's a very good reason why the scientific community doesn't accept creationism.

[@AceofDlamonds]

This is outrageous cause they allow a man who reads Genesis literally, fully, and extract things out of paleontology that isn't even in the book to begin with. And makes a museum attraction out of it......misleading others is just just pisses me off.....

[@heeh2]

I cant wait for his debate against WLC in 15 days

[@randreason]

It's like Disneyland. A place for kids to go and see fairy tales in real life!

[@mercuryRed347]

God created man with the freedom to choose whether to deny Him through science if he so desires.

[@RudySpino]

The MRI, Electric light, etc, etc, What has evolution brought?

[@logistaplyst]

I think that was that an actual 'fair & balanced' FOX interview. The interviewer questioned both points of view, never threatened to cut anyones mic and didn't demonise the scientist or call him a pinhead. I dont know whether to be impressed or worried that the interviewer might have been given the sack.

[@evildrdoom01]

@Devin82m Sorry if you already have previously. But can you inform me on some of this functional science that fits with creation?

[@HighPoweredLasers]

1:14 information that's bee censored?

[@Santorum-gl8xk]

uh...who cares what the rest of the world thinks. This is GOD's country. What really matters is what God thanks of us, not other people

[@SirSquiggleton]

All that I needed to hear was in the introduction. On the right, a guy with no education who's only accomplishment was founding the museum. and on the left, a doctor/professor with many credentials who knows what he's talking about.

[@911dispatcher]

@chris0bannon You think that maybe I should have paid better attention to Pro 23:9?

[@tighttritenight]

I don't think there is anything that makes me more upset than watching a fox news anchor. You can just tell that they love the sound of their own voices which is probably why they never stop talking.

[@MrCostiZz]

Only in the US Ken Ham could even talk in a show, and people take seriously. Guys you should look it up. In Europe they would take him in a circus.

[@AephursLocket]

I think the biggest confusion is in people misunderstanding what science does, and how it gets its knowledge. Those who claim that theories are "beliefs" can't be proven, or that certain testings can't be confirmed are not looking at all the test and reasoning they have done. There are certain tests that when used together to find an answer, the correlation of the results becomes compelling proof. To put it in a simple example, (continued in next post)

[@YogSothoth24601]

@JuiceBoxheero I just wanted to ask that, thank you. Where do you find science in what creationists say..? Could someone tell me?

[@RockyRandall]

Am I the only one who noticed that Mr. Ham was cut off right away, and then not given a chance to respond to the criticism? And if science is about answering questions, why aren't literal Biblicists given a chance to explain themselves?

[@MrCostiZz]

If USA were dominated by people like the ones ho made this museum in 100 years it would have been from the only superpower to IRAN.

[@101criticalthinker]

could you repeat that in english?

[@eriknielsen68]

Lawrence Krauss should never be subjected to having to share any space with some one like Ken Ham. Lawrence Krauss= E=mc2/ Ken ham= Flintstones.

[@JSAirways]

look how they just cut the guy off from the creation museum. He tries to state his point of view and the other two (clearly objecting to this) cut him off and try to change the guys statement and make it sound all rosy and shit until it's something completely different and more the worldly point of view. This can not be called a fair debate or a debate at all! And this happens at pretty much EVERY debate I've seen so far.

[@RudySpino]

It does not mention the theory of evolution(macro evolution) but it mentions the as I call it "atheist models" which is basically cosmic, chemical, stellar and organic evolution.

[@ragerancher]

To all these people who dismiss the theory of Evolution I ask do you dismiss the following as being "just" theories too? Theory of: - Gravity - Electromagnetism - Germs - Atomics - Relativity - Plate tectonics - Quantum - Molecular kinetics - Radioactive dating And many more. If the answer is yes you reject these all then let me know when you float off into space because intelligent falling was used instead of gravity.

[@MrEatonbeaver]

This leads me to one important question: Where is this creation museum, fantasy land?

[@ChipArgyle]

Interesting tone to that discussion: "We could all sort of be correct about a few things and we might all be kind of wrong about some things so let's just leave it at that and go to commercial." Lawrence Krauss sure dialed it down for that segment.

[@RudySpino]

Yeah, real nice but just HOW do they tell us that its old and was a hot molten mass?

[@209vaughn]

Good job Mr. Hamm. Good job Mr. Krauss. It was a good conversation.

[@TorontoBoi]

BILLIONS of dollars spent building football and basketball stadiums & facilities throughout the secular colleges across America. How sad.

[@AephursLocket]

The beauty of science is that it is unfixed, and all the information it has produced are derived from nature itself. Science isn't out to prove religion wrong. In fact, if there was compelling evidence that any of the religious beliefs are true, science would completely support it. Since, so far, it has met with none, it cannot support religion. Religion is best served as reflections of human nature, society, and philosophy. It should not breech over to become a basis for proving nature.

[@CosmicNeonNeko]

Science is finding that answers and if religion doesn't conform, they're going to be laughed at. The creation museum is a perfect example of that.

[@crazypartyman1]

Hundreds of years from now mankind will look at these videos and laugh, hell im laughing now

[@Santorum-gl8xk]

if you were a christian and followed the ten commandments, you wouldn't be threatening to steal people's computers

[@FetaCheese222]

TWENTY-SEVEN FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS WENT INTO THIS?!!?!!!

[@ivorysand]

Thank you for the openminded question. Note that the word insecurity is used as a broad general term, covering all aspects of life that the ancient Israelites did not understand, and the word perhaps indicates I don't have strong tangible evidence. Nobody has, the roots of Abrahamic monotheism are shrouded in the fog of ancient history. For a more thorough discussion of this I recommend the books by British author (and former nun) Karen Armstrong, especially her bestseller 'A History of God'.

[@joeschultz2]

Quote Stefano: " ...in a country which believes in miracles, should be having loooooong cues not money problems" That's what Ken Hamm thought too. What both of you should have considered is this: In a country where slightly more people believe in evolution than creationism, do the museums which teach evolution come close to making money? The American Museum of Natural History in New York would not approach a profit even if they charged 10 bucks. And those dinosaurs are damned impressive!

[@Nexus974]

Nice try Professor Krauss, but you can't save people from their own stupidity when they don't want to be saved.

[@RuleofFive]

It's good that the "creation museum" was built in Kentucky.....the place where the most popular birthday card is "happy birthday uncle dad".....it just seems like a good fit....

[@TechLinkOnline]

On the contrary the bible has never been proven wrong, all history lines up w/ the bible, the world can try and pretend God doesn't exist but that's doesn't change the fact that he does and revealed himself through one man, Abraham, threw one nation, the Hebrews, and ultimately threw his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

Who created the creator?

[@rpcarnell]

When are we going to open the zombie, vampires, aliens, and werewolves museums?

[@Rafterman123]

The things real scientists could do with $27 million dollars.... Imagine if there was never any religion.... We would be hundreds, if not, thousands of years ahead of where we are today

[@seppomuppit]

Can't believe ken ham is making Australia look so bad, no wonder he left our country cause he would get mocked too badly if he stuck around

[@gustavoinasong]

@baldurus1 Good question, we see stars beyond 10,000 light years because the universe is not 10,000 years old, the creation progress took more than that, dont forget the sun and moon where created the third day, so before that or even after you coudlnt count days in a solar calendar.

[@AephursLocket]

@party489 I think Zyonfire is confused with artificial petrification, and making coal in the laboratory. @Zyonfire Just because it is possible to replicate it in the lab, doesn't mean it's possible for it to happen naturally on this Earth. The reason I say "this Earth" is that it may be able to occur on other planets, or other instances of cosmic reactions, but in our Earth today, it does not happen naturally. Labs can create conditions that are unnatural (unnatural on our Earth).

[@RudySpino]

Very well but Im afraid in order to do that several assumptions are made like, has the material always decayed at the same slow rate, how much was in it when it was alive etc. Its like me showing you a candle and saying, when was it lit, well you must make some assuptions, such as how tall was it originally, has it always burned at the same rate.

[@evildrdoom01]

@Devin82m Well i have only read a bit on Catastrophic Plate Tectonics but i do have a question which i have yet to find the answer for. Wouldn't these (as the name suggests) Catastrophic plate movements also cause catastrophic tsunamis, and after that catastrophic volcanic activity (causing years of darkness due to the the resulting ash clouds) to make up for the earth crust moving away from boundaries in such an event? In both instances it would be impossible someone to survive such an event.

[@LuigiPeach]

It is common knowledge, that people succumb to personal attacks as a defensive mechanism when they feel defeated or threatened. Every time you HARHARHAR me, or call me a dumbass instead of presenting your arguments, you confirm that I'm right. Either say what you have to say without personal attacks, or say nothing...

[@lambent77777]

FauxNews should move to Comedy Central. It's some of the best comedy out there.

[@musicholickgp]

I bet you anything that there is more science in a science museum and more history in a history museum.

[@PapaWilk]

I was so delighted to see Lawrence Krauss in this video! He destroyed Hamm.

[@Spetsop]

I know that it makes money for them, and that's another great shame. I was trying to say that the money was just generally wasted, not that the people who built the museum wasted their money.

[@TheDarkLordLucifer]

Crushed by the cross they've held so dear. Betrayed by their faith as they cry. Defeated again, the masses are helpless. Feeble slaves in the eyes of the new god. The temple resounds with rites of Satan. It is time to worship our new master. The left-handed path beckons. Holy eyes weep the blood of their god. The chasm of infinity now awaits. Blackness of entropy, you belong to Lucifer. Burning churches echo with the hymns of doom. Cower and behold the death of your false hope.

[@possumverde]

There's more piety in a scientist, using the tools God gave him, seeking to understand just a fragment of the existence God created (whether the scientist believes in God or not), than in a man who claims to have it all figured out.. Which is the real heresy...? The small piece of "evolution" we have been able to unravel so far is still far from (and may not ever be) complete but to deny it completely out of hand is to deny the very spark of intelligence we've been given...

[@tompenno]

So many people in the world that need basic things like food, shelter and water, and people are wasting 27 million dollars on this shit.

[@kimbye1]

That kind of statement scares the hell out of me. Your views seem to be very much in tune with what happened in Germany in the 30s and 40s