Crime Beat: The Babes in the Woods | S4 E4

[@unlikelyreviewers]

Just came to say that the production quality of this show is outstanding and at par far superior than many other crime shows around the world

[@janvdb9258]

It is very simply produced...looks like something muncollege class produced

[@Jornjunior18]

Only one better is forensic files

[@mpl221]

Agree

[@judedonnelly4100]

Better than your spellings.. 😂

[@PastBBD]

Agree. Crime Beat is my favourite true crime productions and I watch all of them.

[@rubytuesday5412]

Thanks *Crime Beat* for another great, albeit horrific and sad presentation. I've always appreciated *Crime Beat* for it's wonderful journalism and no-frills, direct approach. Anthony Robart makes good presenter.

[@dorothysela5902]

The generations of VPD detectives who worked on this file are amazing in their dedication and persistence. Such a sad story, and my sincere gratitude to all involved to bringing names to the boys.

[@kashigata]

I’ve watched all of the Crime Beat episodes and this one was , by far, the most emotional for me. What stands out in many of these episodes is the deep compassion of the investigators. This episode exemplifies that. I sobbed when their identities were revealed. From the information given, I don’t believe the mother was the killer. The man she was with, was the culprit. I hope the remaining family are living peacefully with this story. It was awful.

[@curtissmith5469]

Its cases like this that go back in time to solve cases that people from that era must have thought would always remain a mystery and never be solved captivates and intrigues me. Even though we have advanced by leaps and bounds in such a short time with Forensic Science, I can't help but wonder what fascinating discoveries await us in times to come. It's very exciting to think what is going to be possible moving forward.Thank you Crime Beat.

[@debbieguitor1745]

Amazing story. I’m so glad they were given their names back.

[@sabinecarnera6877]

WOW, how terrible sad history! My congratulations to all the Vancouver’s police detectives that worked the case of these two lovely brothers!

[@emke9326]

Wow what a story. Bravo to the whole team who worked on this case.

[@lindseyfrench5065]

I don't think mother killed her 2 boys.A male member of the family cos they couldn't afford to feed them.Mum was grieving and to comfort them used her coat.I am gobsmacked no one came forward to say they noticed them missing.😢

[@pinklion2237]

I’m with you. It’s really rare to find a mom that kills her children, no matter the circumstance. And with a hatchet no less. I also believe it was the grandfather and the mom was with him to try and plead with him to let them live and then she lovingly covered them.

[@PastBBD]

Sad that Derek and David weren't buried with some kind of plaque or headstone. I can't understand why he throws them in the water. R.I.P. Derek and David Dalton.

[@crunchybobaasmr2130]

The gov prob cannot allocate funding for ongoing bills to a tombstone no one will visit. And every body you see lying in cemetery will be exhumed after some years anyway

[@SmilingBooks-st4du]

I'm looking for this comment, as soon I heard he throws them in the ocean 🌊 I was like WHAT😮 So heartless. Why can't they bury😢

[@wynterblackwell3640]

I do. They were a museum display. They were sensational. Buried they can be exhumed. Buried at sea they can truly rest in peace with no one able to bother them or put them on display again.

[@mycomagus]

@@wynterblackwell3640 Sure, but given how much their sister wanted to know what happened to them while she was alive, it would have been nice to be able to inter them all together. The cop unilaterally decided what was appropriate for them, instead of waiting until they were identified to allow the family to do so. The museum exhibit is a whole separate (abhorrent) issue. There are plenty of human remains with dubious provenance that are being used inappropriately.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

@@mycomagus to be honest the only person whose opinion really matters is the sister's daughter. As the sister died long before they were identified and having the whole of their remains in a box in a storage room would not have changed that at all. I don't remember her having an issue with it but of course we wouldn't really know without asking.

[@lindseyfrench5065]

I didn't know them,they suffered when murdered.They didn't ask to be born.I am crying when writing this😢

[@jimshaw9449]

Nuts how things come up, in the 80s there was a Halloween tour of the old Vancouver morgue and police museum, I remember feeling creepy viewing the remains of the children and thought the same thing as the police chief, why are these remains just out? Not to mention kids, yikes! Now all these answers, it's like taking a breath you don't know you needed, terrific documentaries from this group and this one in particular, outstanding.

[@callofnerds]

Imagine finding out you could have had 2 more uncles and countless more cousins... what a tragedy

[@abraxas511]

Big shock the bleeding hearts find a way to blame a man.

[@dakotaloven1362]

Their mother did it I mean what else do you need? HER fur coat found on the bodies HER shoe nearby WITNESSES a trucker dropped her off in Vancouver just her with the boys everything matched the description the family changed their names almost the same week the news broke about the boys being found everything points to their mother did it and her family protected her

[@bettywillbrowse]

How would they have more cousins, the boys were between 6 and 8 yrs old when they died , they obviously didn't have any children of their own

[@wynterblackwell3640]

@@bettywillbrowse COULD have. If the boys aren't killed they would have been the uncles and they would have had children when they grew up....

[@monicav7218]

​@@bettywillbrowseCousins are also those who have a common grandmother and grandfather. Cousins are more than just the children of these boys if they had lived to be adults and had children You should find out about things before making a fool of yourself in front of everyone by writing something stupid. 🙈😏

[@aprilsmith3683]

Bravo for retrieving and treating the remains of these two little boys...Derek and David...with the respect that they were denied whilst they lay upon a shelf...albeit not done with any morbid intention... 🇿🇦

[@ameliagracewillowgunn]

Why couldn’t she have taken them to a children’s home instead of murdering them 😢 heartbreaking 💔

[@loriskotheim4404]

Heartbreaking 💔 … When I saw the pictures of them made it worse 😢 R.I.P SWEET BOYS…

[@veronicajackson1674]

Why would anyone ask why those remains be brought back to the park?? That’s crazy to bring back to the murder point! If anything why weren’t the remains buried not set to the sea???

[@wynterblackwell3640]

because buried at sea no one can bother or put them on display again.

[@xTigressStylex]

If she kept and raised an amazing daughter, it doesn't really mean she didn't kill the boys. Yeah she may be heartbroken and everything in the end but it doesn't mean she hasn't been involved. Even if she didn't kill them she definitely knew about the murders.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

I'm not really defending her because no excuse, but she was probably desperate, couldn't afford them and she probably thought they'd be better off dead than in the (even now horrible and abusive) system. Again, not excusing or defending her, just kind of seeing what might have been behind it.

[@JulieSkinner-f6x]

Maybe she was coercively controlled- to an extreme degree -bullied and threatened by the male ? Her father. I think she knew. If the family don’t think it was her… maybe she had to choose between her daughters well being and continued support or them all being cast out onto the street. I know we all think we would choose poverty and to keep all our children but we don’t know what went on within this family and the only one that did wouldn’t talk on film, but that lady did say that the boys mother didn’t do it.

[@janvdb9258]

So glad these boys have their identities back. What a sad thing that happened to them. Two lives just put to an end for no reason at all.

[@abraxas511]

Geez. I was heartbroken when I found my dog never really went to the farm. These people thought their brothers went to the ministry.

[@amg8497]

Excellent presentation … my mom was born in Vancouver in 1943 … unfortunately she’s been gone now for almost 40 years … I would have liked to ask her if she knew of this tragedy .. 😢

[@TheLadycountry]

So good their names were found after so many years

[@jack9601]

Who was the man standing over her? Obviously he is involved and maybe made her do this for some reason. Maybe allowed her to keep her daughter but not the younger children...

[@tracyceronio9299]

How sad.

[@ravenbaa7989]

Too bad the mom won’t get punsihedr

[@injacreatives9680]

There is zero proof their Mum killed them, I do not believe she murdered her own kids with an axe after being a devoted mother. The answers are already there, the family said that the government, social workers which in those days was related to the Ministry , took them away. They always believed they were rehomed and they would reunite one day. I believe two fake imposter social workers, pretending to work for the government, literally kidnapped the children under the guise of removing them from the home, without anyone suspecting them at all, and they were raped in the woods almost immediately and killed with an axe by most likely a savage predator paedophile. Serial killers kill children with axes. Not loving mothers.all reports of their family was that she adored her children and the family were close. It's very common that women get used as a cover to pick up kids for predators. She probably still had a bit of a conscience but under the killers control. There are so many ways this could have happened but without proof it's impossible to know. But a stable non crazy loving mother doesn't suddenly breakout into an axe murderer, that's a pure act of extreme rage and hatred.

[@waynejohnson1786]

Bring back the death penalty for anyone who murders children.

[@Ruth78620]

Or hurts a child in any way

[@lmrharper3586]

The murderer was long dead by the time it was solved so the death penalty would hardly have been needed.

[@chiasanzes9770]

Then you end up dead also you are not any better.

[@sandralauzon9416]

Tragic and sad RIP Derek and David Dalton.

[@veronicajackson1674]

Stanley parks pretty dangerous in the last few years alone there’s been a lot of crime there people getting assaulted on the walkways you don’t wanna be in those hundred acres alone because homeless people live there animals live there you don’t know who’s gonna get you if you walk off the path there’s been many crimes there it’s not a safe place as beautiful as it is... go to Vancouver and you go to Stanley Park don’t go into the forest it’s not a safe place and it’s so big that no one will be able to find you if you you get attacked! To easy to assault people and get away with it!

[@tastycashew]

I just got chills from this one. Why? I don’t know…the mystery, the amount of circumstances and sadness

[@abraxas511]

Brutal narration. This story deserves a pro. Dont listen with headphonesssssssss! it will split your earsssssss!

[@neconeconeco]

apparently she is a pro? I had to turn it off :(

[@jeanettehinds4253]

How can children that age disappear and nobody notice? No neighbour. No teacher. No friends.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

Because the story was they were taken by the ministry. No one would question it especially at that time. People nowadays are a little less ready to believe everything they are told

[@ChantalsCritters]

Great coverage

[@rb239rtr]

Lakehead University, THunder Bay, Ontario- this is a small university that punches above its weight

[@lidiaandalexmoura8354]

So sad and tragic, my condolences to the family. The police did GREAT work to finally put a name to these poor boys, so very heartbreaking. RIP David and Derick.

[@verjanhamilton6287]

People don't know that ministries did/do take children. For trafficing and sacrifices. It may not be the parents that did. I wish these babies peace and love.

[@JudySkanes-mz3tr]

I truly hate hearing about these realitys of babes just there so Innocent And small Makes me sick 🤢 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@skessaskessa]

What's the deal with the reenacting by the CrimeStoppers? We are told that both children were dressed mostly similarly, both wearing helmets. And they just put a helmet on one child and not the other?? So sure "the girl" could not be wearing a helmet or what?

[@jellysmith4350]

This is awful. How could you do that? 😢

[@ariannegagnon3738]

..ouff...as a mother to a nearly 6year old boy...im a bit speechless... i cannot imagine the hurt their mother lived with after that... my heart...

[@karisanderson4703]

Those two sweet boys. I’m glad they found their family so they can give Derrick and David a proper place to rest. It must of been terrible for their sister to have two brothers and then just have them disappear. It’s so obvious it was the mom just disgusting.

[@andreawhite4013]

Hello from Toronto 🇨🇦

[@nicolew4877]

It was the mother because otherwise she would have reported them missing. What mother would not report her kids missing unless she’s guilty. I think the boys sister always knew. She must have figured it out at some point when she grew up, and couldn’t bring herself to speak out. Must have been so hard for her to suspect her mother and stay silent.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

She was 10. I don't think she ever though her mother killed her brothers. Given them away maybe. But who would think their own loving mother killed their brother?

[@injacreatives9680]

She didn't think they were missing because she believed two social workers from the Ministry removed them from her care, they truly believed they would reunite with them one-day. Why report them missing ? I don't believe it was her at all, I believe two imposters conned them and actually killed them , only a predator kills children with an axe in the woods, by all accounts she was a loving devoted mother. I think they were probably dead within and hour of being taken away, the man raped them and killed them in a very typical paedophile serial killer style, he axed them to death .his accomplice who controlled, was used to lure kids away. They have zero proof that the Mum did it , the cops made up a story and stuck on that storage story for so many years they way they thought it was a girl and that the kids were so old, you can see the brothers were very young because of the shape of the skulls. Post war, and them being poor, they truly believed the children were being removed to be adopted into the home of a family who could feed them well etc.

[@bmaak]

Why not title the video "Babies in the woods". More endearing, especially for this sad story. Unusual to identify kids as "babes".

[@Dexter037S4]

It's an old English folk tale, that is very similar to the case.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

reference below, plus children ARE refered to as babes. (just think for example "out of the mouth of babes" and they were not babies.

[@lmrharper3586]

Children have been referred to as “babes” for centuries , I hope you arent thinking of the modern “babes “ a disgusting sexist slur used for women? “Babes in the Woods” is a suitable ,endearing and not the least bit unusual .

[@thak44]

What a good man to see those kids properly buried into the sea 🌊 it’s good to know that he cared for the children so well great man

[@snowfox3012]

Hello Anthony Robart 🌸🌸🌸

[@Inquisitor2024]

Vancouver AND British Columbia? Vancouver IS in British Columbia.

[@crunchybobaasmr2130]

Is because she eileen poor but killed the boys. But left her daughter. She definitely loves her a lot

[@isabelleboyle6048]

Now they can rest in peace ❤

[@dionjaba4975]

How you kill a kid is beyond comprehension.

[@DeborahThird-og1uo]

Not the detectives choice to dump their headless bodies in the ocean, beyond the reach of further forensics, or the wishes of the family. I’d be furious.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

I wouldn't. He took them out of literal displays and made sure no one can do that to them again. He kept the heads precisely for further forensics.

[@DavidGS66]

This is sexism. A man never gets away with murdering his wife & saying she just left & disappeared, but a woman can say the ministry took her 2 boys & nobody phones police. The police had to go to the family instead of the family going to police. Hopefully, the school boards are better able to notify police of disappearing students today.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

trust me, unfortunately men have gotten away with it before ESPECIALLY in the 40s. Nowadays both women and men would find it much harder, though it's not unheard of. They were all taken out of school in the name of transferring them to a different school. The old school had no reason to follow up, the new never existed. They fell through the cracks. I wish I could say it's different now and it wouldn't happen but all it takes is a yt search to see just how many children aren't reported as missing by anyone until months, years after those who were supposed to look after them, protect and love them k'lled them.

[@thomasplouffe1363]

he should not have sent the childrens remains into the sea, they should have been buried with a headstone rather then sinking into the water

[@TinaShimmen]

Maybe the grandfather was the father of the two wee boys.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

they had 2 different fathers.

[@skessaskessa]

So he just sunk the evidence of the unsolved murder in the ocean???

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

EXACTLY, it never occurred to Sgt Honeybourne that those unclaimed and unnamed remains belonged to every citizen of this country, he took it upon himself to impose his will as well as his religious bigotry in the situation.

[@wynterblackwell3640]

@@foxfriendzanimaltown9859 religious bigotry? He took those remains out of a literal display (think for a second your child being displayed like that, how would you feel?) and made sure no one can put them on display again. And he also made sure to keep enough under secrecy (again so they can't go back on display) for the case to be solved.

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

@@wynterblackwell3640 Not objecting to them being taken out of display, it's what happened after that, he's a guy totally stuck on himself, arrogant and self centered, there was once a person who gave readings, a sort of remote viewer, this person was getting very close on the names of the two boys, not exactly correct but there was a pattern emerging and they kept leaving notes for this GUY, think he had the GOOD MANNERS to return any of their calls, GUESS??!!

[@wynterblackwell3640]

@@foxfriendzanimaltown9859 gave readings? Like sone sort of psychic? Yeah police rarely work with those. Like I said giving them a sea birial (and NOT dumping them in the water) ensured they can't ve displayed again for gawkers instead they can be at peace

[@Lilcharlie78]

rest in peace poor children ❤

[@monalikapoor9754]

Why were the boys killed?

[@jadda193]

Thanks a lots for English sub title

[@michellewoolman8979]

Thus shows what PCR actually does, and it ain't a test!

[@joan-annhenry9836]

Fascinating

[@hammerpounder]

A woman in the late forties early fifties with three children, all with different fathers...pretty obvious how she was supporting herself for at least a few years. So even if it was the father who killed them, they probably weren't his children. Now, if they did track down the fathers, would those families appreciate knowing that someone in their past was a John? He, or really they, probably fathered more than one child with more than lady of the night. I don't see the value in tracking those men's families down. Nobody wants that news 70 plus years later.

[@SharonRidgeway-wc6pr]

Gosh how tragic I reckon that the boys have been reborn the sketches of the boys are a spitting image of the princes in Buckingham palace

[@bettywillbrowse]

Well now i need to know who the fathers were and why tf they were killed, damnit 🤦🤦🤷😜

[@snowfox3012]

Hello crime beat 🐾

[@bretzky9261]

Would have been nice to honour their remains in the museum instead of throwing them in the ocean to be forgotten?

[@natatatt]

Not sure how much honour there is in being displayed in a museum. The local community here in Vancouver is quite connected to the ocean; I don't think an ocean burial is a bad thing.

[@incredulousone6855]

He should never have taken that personal decision while it was still a unsolved case. Perhaps the niece may have wanted to reunite them buried along side her mother.

[@griffin2263]

@@incredulousone6855 cant believe he can just toss them in the ocean ..how is that allowed !! unbelievable

[@Lilcharlie78]

i think thet rest in peace cause in the water thet were set free i guess we have different opinions about their best be buried 😢

[@heksedansd.2919]

Derek ❤ 🙏 David ❤ 🙏

[@dakotaloven1362]

Are we still trying to argue mother didnt do it? Evidence really seems to show it was the mother well their mom the babes mom was the killer grandma to the woman who solved the case

[@maxwellrurangwa]

Crazy

[@bitsnbobs1969]

physics medium would solved this case years ago its amazing how many cases they have solved

[@elbt101]

If anyone was wondering what mom's were like in BC during this time.

[@kathygraham6251]

I agree with the family, I think it was the grandfather, that old detective knows little of european family structure

[@amyjojinkerson-b6o]

and Gen matching too

[@dakotaloven1362]

Those beach day photos if im right....idk as far as i knownits not said WHERE they are maybe she took them to stanley park before meaning she killed them somrwhere they had good memories at and even laid her fur coat over their bodies its very eerie but explains why she chose the park

[@markluck1607]

Execelent LoveAllwaway

[@bec5250]

It would have been the grandfather who killed the boys. Immigrant from the old soviet block where life and people were brutal - still are.

[@jennklein1917]

😢😢😢😢😢

[@annazaman9657]

Did the mother have size five feet?

[@dianehansma1725]

😢🙏🏻💕

[@elbt101]

Boner from growing pains died in Stanley Park too

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

The reason why the old leads went nowhere is because you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, the leads went in one ear and out the other, it's total police arrogance, just like Sgt Honeybourne imposing his personal religious beliefs regarding remains, total police arrogance, decades of it.

[@TheElizabethashby]

HEY THEY ARE WITH THE LORD THEY ARE NOT SUFFERING NOW

[@foxfriendzanimaltown9859]

Unless they have reincarnated, we all get suffering down here.

[@amyjojinkerson-b6o]

like short tanduim repeat

[@terinasyliboy9787]

Well hmm k sooo?. It's not meant to be known

[@mattermote4761]

This happened 69 years ago? Nice

[@jerrywiese]

Regarding the original detectives . Two aviator caps . Probability both boys .