Crime Beat: Against All Odds | S4 E5

[@curtissmith5469]

That was a very heartbreaking episode to see how someone and his family loved our country enough to come back to visit only to lose his way of life.I think I speak on behalf of all Canadians when I say I'm so sorry for what happened to you when you came to our country to visit. We aren't like other countries that shoot and kill people everyday, we value life and I hope you can continue coming back to enjoy Canada cause we have a beautiful country, and to the offender regardless of your age and history, you should be punished for the irreversible wrong you caused or you will grow up not owning up to the consequences of your actions.

[@sharonbrown6595]

Thanks for this comment I am also from Canada and this is horrific act to innocent people.

[@Yosetime]

I really do hope those kids are able to be rehabilitated and grow up to be happy, sober people. We all deserve that chance. His sentence seems light. But I won't judge that because I do not work in the field of law or law enforcement. So I don't think I could lay down any reasonable arguments either way. I will have to trust in our legal system. What I worry more about is what this kid is going to do with his time on parole? Will he be protected from this kind of lifestyle? Or was he just thrown back into the bad fish pond? It's not fair. If he goes directly back to the troubled place he was in before, that would be hard to escape from when you're so young and feeling hopeless and small. I hope all those kids are ok 4 years later now.

[@tashasharma6535]

This is terrible, why he had to shoot. He left a very innocent loving man with disabilities. Never mind he will still have to face God. I am very sorry for this man his family. Such nice people

[@drewbranch7700]

Sadly in my country,USA, I wouldn’t be surprised of such a thing eventhough it would be rare,but I love you Canadians- I have always felt safer in Canada + my experience with Canadians has always been stellar.

[@kurtguy4336]

The car full of criminals should have been held responsible

[@LisatheGreatest]

This country of mine is way too lenient, makes me sick. He should have appropriate charges. Disgusting

[@Whips383]

Good for Trudeau no wonder he isn't helping these pathetic natives they deserve there dirty drinking water

[@McChrister]

Totally agree….😠

[@Ketowski]

Prevention is needed. This glorification of violence in popular media and lack of real opportunities looms large for many. It’s like the economic conditions of the Eighties for similar reasons. The wealthy want to divest themselves of responsibility and then cry foul about lenience. Sounds like you’re wanting to play into the For Profit prisons camp narrative.

[@96animalover]

Lenient government laws with drugs use, and this are the consequences with the insecurity of the citizens and foreigners.

[@SweetTooth8989]

Such a tragic and totally unnecessary act. Thank God the father survived. As a Canadian, our justice system infuriates me sometimes. I can get wanting to protect a minor's identity when it comes to petty crimes or something like that but shooting a man in the forehead for no reason? Give me a break, ridiculous. The teen doesn't deserve having his identity protected and any problems he would have down the line for being know for what he did is all his problem and of his own doing. And i get the fact the they didn't think they could get a conviction of attempted murder but being charged with "discharging a firearm in a motor vehicle"? Big whoop. He shot the man in the damn forehead, i don't care how high he was or how fast they were driving, shooting someone in the forehead clearly shows only one intent. Smh Then making excuses for the teen by saying he grew up in a troubled environment and being mentally undeveloped was just infuriating me even more.

[@bmoporboy69]

As a Canadian im embarrassed of what so low life drug induced teen did to you father and family. I have met many people over the years camping from European country’s who absolutely love Canada. Our justice system here is absolutely embarrassing and needs to be completely over hauled. Some of our First Nations people need to stop playing the victim card on there up bringing to get them out of paying for tragic crimes they commit and that also goes for all Canadian as well. We seem to have a HUG A THUG PROGRAM here were it’s never some one’s fault or it’s there up bringing to blame. I hope your father keeps recovering and still sees our country for the beauty he seen when he first came here.

[@katerinagiannioudi401]

Dont feel bad. Lenient sentences are an everyday thing in the European Union. Sometimes its more about the killers rights compared to the victim's.

[@lesleyjones5817]

Very true. Same here in the UK.​@@katerinagiannioudi401

[@lidiaandalexmoura8354]

What a WONDERFUL, GOOD HEARTED and LOVING FAMILY. May God bless you and give you strength to keep going. I'm so SORRY for what happened to you but you did come a long way.and that's GREAT. Canada LOVES you!

[@helenanderson3334]

I feel this story the victim wasn’t protected but the perpetrator was. I don’t care how young he is he almost killed this poor man.

[@jeavalera6616]

I can’t stand the canadian justice system 😠

[@Baboon001]

what justice?

[@catherineannelockman3805]

Bring back capital punishment...

[@ivannovotny4552]

Being drunk and stoned should never be excuse. He made conscious decision and therefore should face consequences. Sentence was wrong on all levels and also, what happened to responsibility and accountability?

[@wyzasukitan]

The shooter is from a protected class in Canada. He was already known to police despite his youth, however the ‘extenuating circumstances’ of his protected class designation means that he will never be held accountable. And he WILL go on to reoffend, he has learned nothing from this

[@ivannovotny4552]

@@wyzasukitan Are you referring to native/indigenous folks with special status?

[@McChrister]

@@ivannovotny4552 I would think so….🤔

[@babswirkus7038]

The Canadian justice system has always been a joke. This victim will never get his life back. The offender gets a slap on the wrist. The payout from the Aberta govt. was an insult. All the medical & rehab bills by the victim should have been paid for Alberta, not to mention his 4 years of lost income.

[@JahmBProducts]

​@@wyzasukitan Yeah I'm pretty sure that class is living it up and having the time of their lives...

[@nykolwoods4343]

Your family's positivity is motivating and real

[@benghiz9905]

He got a slap on the wrist for destroying the life of a healthy and active man. I don't care if he was drinking,doing drugs,being young or being native(He should've been in jail for a VERY long time).

[@jeanvanniekerk4518]

He was on his way to kill someone one way or another Just the wrong person He should be locked up for life The other person's should of also gotten jail time The poor family this happened to, my heart goes out to them

[@nphillips3349]

Totally agree. I'm Canadian and am embarrassed at how our justice system behaved in this case. Hats off to this wonderful family. They've behaved with unbelievable grace and have seemed to reconcile something a very few could have, I think.

[@veganandlovingit]

Agree

[@marilynvallance]

Looks like comments from the US where they lock children up for life. Listen to what the detective says about punishment of youths. Canadá is similar to the UK in its treatment of youth crime. The brain is not fully developed until at least the age of 21.

[@bibop7645]

I have a hard time watching crime cases in Canada because of the lax sentencing ):

[@missbieber1211]

Crime beat probably isn’t for you then? Lol

[@crystalbristow247]

Believe me most Canadians aren’t happy with our joke of a system either!!

[@monicakelloway3953]

The system is broken…no one is held accountable for their actions. They are not for the victims

[@ilanshaeyvich9957]

This just shows you that our justice system is an absolute joke. Feel sorry for the family.

[@LisatheGreatest]

Throw them all in prison, you’re so called old enough to drive, drink, and do drugs and try to kill someone. This is disgusting, wish I’d never watched this program. Come to Canada, you can do whatever you want.

[@alphadog1961]

What an Amazing family.The dad is a true Cowboy,he may get bucked but he gets right back on the horse.His family,specially his son,are so inspiring,pushing him to get better.If there is a GoFundMe for this man,I will definitely throw money towards his rehab in a heartbeat.

[@MtlGirl]

I'm so happy he survived. What an amazing family. They have every right be bitter and vengeful but instead they're looking to the future. I'm sincerely in admiration of these humans. I'm glad he was capable of travelling back to Canada. ❤️👏 God bless them.

[@monicakelloway3953]

The prosecutors in my son’s murder trial did nothing at the trial of the killer but stab my son in the back as well. It was a miscarriage of Justice and the murderer blamed my son whose voice was silenced by the brutality of the murder. I don’t care what age they are, anyone who takes a life need to be accountable and face the consequences. The laws need to change for the victims not be for the murderers.

[@petercullen1624]

What a strong and positive family.

[@GCBGIRL]

Beautiful son , this man has the best thing any man can have as a father, the courageous father like son. God bless this family. I have so much I'd like to say about the leagal systems, specially regarding youth crimes. But enough have been said by many people in this column so I'll leave it as that . Hope the recovery process and the rest of this family life is as gentle and filled with blessing.

[@sandrazed6089]

that kid should be made to meet this man face to face and apologize. Tragic fate. Where are those meth heads today? Leading productive lives? I bet not. And the compensation? Prosecutor was lame.

[@allegedlyandfacts]

Stole the words out of my mouth

[@tashasharma6535]

Very true.

[@missgamayngputot3970]

I'm so glad that he's not dead and I admire so much the goodness in his heart and his family. God bless you

[@LisatheGreatest]

$100 000. What a joke

[@MarcusmanGM]

My heart goes out to these families... devastating and heartbreaking to say the least... your stories are shared and I along with others are truly heartbroken over all of these tragedies may you find peace and healing throughout your lifetime 🙏🕊

[@malgorzataweglowski9704]

The moment you decide to drink and do drugs you are responsible for your actions.....

[@woodchuck1946]

No, you definitely are not! We just saw that in this episode. Sixteen years old, 21 months waiting for trial, public defender, absolutely NO accountability! An innocent victim with a ruined life. Responsibility, my foot! A sad commentary on the Canadian legal system which certainly is not a justice system! Rant over.

[@AquaGirlOo]

Poor man was very sad watching this , this man was enjoying his day with his family 😢

[@DementraFitz]

We need stronger laws... that kid should have got atleast 10 years

[@toldyaso13]

He only received $100000? From the victims fund. That's ridiculous.

[@TheHighlander5555]

"We don't report the youth offender's name because it might destroy their life". WTF? They destroyed a family's life but hey, victims aren't more important than the criminal right? This country's justice system is a joke. #HugAThug

[@joannewilson1483]

Some folk shouldn’t have children if they are not going to to guide them in society we all know wrong a right but drugs a drink make humans some humans behave badly

[@monicakelloway3953]

Oh they were pretty sober and smart enough to bury the gun…as for the young offenders act, that should be gone. Everyone involved their faces should be put out there . My opinion and I have no sympathy for murderers

[@catedavies6379]

We definitely need stronger laws in this country. Especially the 25 yrs as a life sentence. This young offender should have stayed longer and received counselling and education. Then he should have spent time talking to people who were affected by violence. Giving him a slap on the wrist probably did nothing for him. I'm glad the family came back and had a positive visit. We do have a beautiful country. Just needs a bit of work.

[@rosemarymadowo228]

This man is extraordinary!!!

[@troythedestroyer8267]

I live in Calgary so seeing all these stories I have heard of over the years is nice to see them broken down , sorry this family had to endure this ,

[@lynnek5459]

Canada is way too soft on crime. I don't care how young this potential serial killer is, there should be harder consequences for his actions now, to act as a deterrent before his crimes worsen. Whoever plied this kid with alcohol should also be held accountable. IMHO

[@XenaBubs]

Apart from everything else. I want to rate and commend his English. So many countries speak English and for us (England) we rarely pick up another language. Kudos to him.

[@kashigata]

What a beautiful family. Horst is an amazing example of courage and determination. I love the way Canadian law treats minors. The child who did the shooting sounds like he needed a lot of compassion and understanding. Well done Canada!

[@KM-vt4xy]

What an amazing family 🖤 the father is so strong and their son is so positive. Im glad they werent afraid to cone back to Canada. Many Canadians are terribly sorry this happened in our country 😪

[@charles11115]

No one is held accountable for their shit in this country! Thats why this shit keeps happening!!! Including politicians who have no idea vwhats happening in the real world!!!!

[@pamelahoberg1800]

If it was one of their kids the sentence would be different

[@mariamakoroma7097]

Watching Crime Beat is the highlight of my week.

[@stellaKAU]

Prosecution had hurdles? Everything is a hurdle for punishing criminals in Canada

[@tinyangel9409]

Its like they have more pity for the guy who shot the victim the accused should of been put away for 20 yrs I don't really care if he was only 16 . I wish the best for Hoarse and his family I hope he recovers 100%

[@anniehoping5967]

i thought the same thing actually.....poor boy....im sorry, this guy almost killed someone and changed his and his family s lives forever!!! jail would have been appropriate.....and no, the time he already served is not enough..... what message do you send this person? if you believe that by hiding his name you protect him in case he becomes a citizen with good values.....think again!!! not going to happen......i strongly believe that he will die from his habits or, be involved in other crimes in the future...no doubt in my mind!!!

[@neweverymorningmercy3491]

Such a shame, a man who loves Canada and this is what happens to him, Canada needs to give him some more moula, it's just the right thing to do. He has such an admirable spirit, no quit in that guy.

[@willrobinson1671]

I don't fear harsh penalties against crime, because I never plan to commit one. As a youth, thanks to my upbringing through family, school, church, I feared the consequences of committing a crime. If there was ever a case that should wake up our politicians and lawmakers, it's this one.

[@Junichild]

What a remarkable man and family. He should have received way more in compensation in recognition of his life long disability.

[@441rider]

Hats off to the great medical teams that helped this visitor.

[@crystalbristow247]

If he can handle a gun then he’s old enough to go to jail for LIFE!!! Disgusting he only got a slap on the hand!! Gross!!!!

[@Ghost_Rider_786]

Tragic story, glad the gentleman survived .... this family is so decent I hope they find some peace in their lives

[@DocJ58-OCB]

The area that this happened in the Stoney Nakoda First Nations reserve area and hearing that a lot of alcohol and crystal meth was involved the assumption can be drawn that the perpetrator and the other 3 people in the red car were probably young First Nations kids, so, not only were they protected by their ages, but also by the fact that they were natives. Lenience in this case would have been a given, and being part First Nations (Haida) myself, I have seen it happen far too often, but this crime SHOULD have been A) prosecuted as an adult case, B) charged as Attempted Murder, Assault Causing, Assault with a Deadly Weapon, and Assault using a vehicle in the act. The other 3 should have at the LEAST received a minimum sentence of 12-24 months in youth custody and3-5 years of mandatory probation. Of course, this is I.M.H.O. and NOT the letter of the Youth Offenders Act, and OF COURSE, the lawyer who defended them (and almost EVERY perpetrator of any and all heinous and or gang related/organized crime related/high profile, high visuality crimes in Calgary and environs was Balfour Der)

[@Mojtala41]

The idiot: "Exposing their name would destroy their lives"! So, it's no problem if they destroy other people's lives? There are thousands of criminal youth in the US with their names known. What has happened to their lives?

[@lindajohnsen6235]

wow, I am at a loss for words, Horst, an amazing man, and his family as well. my heart was so sad to hear what happened to you all, I truly hope the young offenders make every effort to change the path they were on, and to make better choices, the consequences of your actions , always have an effect, whether good or bad.

[@rh4402]

You are an amazing family. Good for you all. May all the blessings of the universe land on you all from now on!

[@baharehsh8487]

Such a sad story,thanks God he is alive.

[@Mila-ie5bw]

Thank goodness my taxes go to pay INCOMPETENT prosecutors! :) money well spent!!

[@charles11115]

I have been through tramatic stuff during my childhood does not give me the right to shoot anyone!!! I dont care who you are and what you have been through!!! Lets hold the so called adults in the vehicle responsible as well as the shooter!!!!

[@rav..]

Canadian justice system is a joke. You have to pray to not be a victim in this country. What a joke! The prosecutor said they were young and the court didn't want to ruin their future… Extremely happy that he survived.

[@darrylwebb388]

What a terrible situation!

[@perlasngsilanganan1789]

It's like tolerating criminals! What kind of justice system that country has? The victim's life has already been altered, and they are still thinking of the Lives of the criminals!

[@randytricker8585]

Thinking its someone you dont like and firing a firearm at said person is premeditated attempted murder plus attempted murder. It was not random

[@nancydeis7121]

Am I the only person who has fallen in love with this lovely family. At the same time am I the only one who is incredibly angry at the fools who would do this to this wonderful family. He just wanted to show his family what he saw and fell in love with and some idiot had to ruin everything....for what?

[@glenranger6346]

Ya you're the only one. Pfft

[@injacreatives9680]

What a load of insanity? He was an ace shot perpetrating a hit, there is such a thing as street smart. They show more concern about the criminal than the victim, this is why crime is getting out of hand in Canada. Shocking.

[@regineuhe6657]

Yeah, that'll teach him! 21 months and a lot of sympathy for attempted murder, oops, no, for the "wrong hit". Disgusting.

[@foxxycleopatra615]

Our justice system is abysmal especially for youth. I was once 16, got plenty drunk and tried drugs and NEVER once would I have thought it funny or fun to shoot a gun at someone’s car. How the hell is that not attempted murder?!

[@asizafineart391]

The laws in Canada are disappointing. There are many young people who come from broken homes but they don’t get into cars drunk and high and shoot at innocent people. Prison for a long time would of been more appropriate. Make criminals accountable for their poor decisions 21 months +15 months probation what a joke!

[@debbiedenman1008]

to many excuses for the participants from the defense lawyer. he felt sorrier for the participants than the victim

[@D.kaiser]

Ich finde es sehr entzückend das ihr so ne starke Familie seit

[@JohanMcBean]

You are an incredibly inspiration man Horst 🎉

[@giearomin2738]

He destroyed his life the moment he fired that gun I have the impression you cuddle killers no matter how young he knows how to fire a gun his age doesn't minimized the fact he killed a stranger

[@yebo-gogo]

Canada and Australia really take the biscuit when it comes to sentencing violent criminals!

[@Ms.BeaHavenOXO]

I can understand the difficult life this young man endured, but the 21 months + 15 months probation he was given is not Justice.

[@nancybannerman1224]

What a tragic story. What are the odds that this happened. Once again, drugs created this horrible scene. Another said, this is not a typical scenario in Canada, and I agree, although it is happening more than it should. I am very impressed at the determination the father has had and continues to have. So glad he is riding horses again! Hope his life continues to improve. 🇨🇦

[@chriskowalski7038]

As a proud Canadian l am so sorry for what happened to your father and your family.

[@buzzard732]

Horst, you are an amazing man!! All the very very best from Stevie in Scotland!! 👏🏻👏🏻❤️

[@jeannettepalframan7837]

Outrageous. Alcohol and drugs are a choice. They need to take responsibility for their actions. Must be held accountable.

[@jeannettepalframan7837]

What would have been the outcome if the man had died.

[@vincevincent6984]

I’m happy to see he’s up & mobile & was able to return to Canada. I to love the Canadian Rockies I’ve spent months in Jasper & Banff national parks. It’s my favourite place on earth. Bravo to his son for getting his family thru this. Not an easy thing to do when it’s your dad. Best wishes to them moving forward.

[@cnaz8709]

All the more, if the killer had la ower mental capacity, should be kept away. Sadly, the killer seem to be the victim not the other way round. Shame on the justice system.

[@VVv-jr6yi]

Dont go for attempted murder, it may damage his career chances.What a sick joke

[@kirkhebner9169]

I find the charges ridiculous,the German man could have died it was attempted murder ,the accused was old enough to do drugs and take directions from the driver to shoot into the car to do harm to someone and because he was of a certain age they are excused of their actions and the law doesn’t want to harm his future ,the likelihood is he’ll go forward thinking he can get away with future crimes

[@narimannourizadeh3693]

O , man this is a hard to see and listen I am very sorry 😢 for this tragedy it happened for all of u i am glad your father getting better l wish the best to your dad and family god’s bless all of you, thanks for sharing this story

[@wholeagain]

I don’t want to spoil this for anyone but wow just wow. That family has so much strength and resilience! True north strong and free🇨🇦

[@computerscientist814]

Whoa. What a horrible thing to happen to this man. Imagine coming to Canada to horseback ride, visit movie sets and rekindle memories of your youth and you get shot with a 22 in the back of the head. The world is just not fair sometimes.

[@peregrinemccauley5010]

This case isn't tragic. It's the Canadian Legal and Judicial system that is tragic, and moronically disfunctional.

[@B1TKZH47]

The false sympathy (and leniency) exercised by our 'justice system’ - especially to this protected class (the natives) - is sickening. Notwithstanding, what a resilient and positive outlook this family has!

[@tashasharma6535]

He needs to get lots more money

[@JaneDoe-rj4jn]

So sorry this happened to this family. Suppose to visit an otherwise peaceful country/province on vacation and this horror happens.

[@abbievelasquez5772]

Purposely aiming and firing the gun at somebody after your friend tells you 'he doesnt like the owner of the vehicle', not even sure if its the actual person he doesn't like is crazy and murderous. And the excuse that the teen's mentally underdeveloped (????) and family troubles at home is a ticket to more crimes in d future if canadian laws are sooo lenient. Should've been longer jail time for all of them to learn their lessons. Relieved and thankful that the victim survived and even came back to visit Canada again. They are all good people with forgiving hearts. God bless the family.

[@jerrywhitlock4028]

Yea. Name excuses for the teen

[@ChantalsCritters]

Great coverage

[@sandiequinn9400]

A slap on the wrist. Where's the justice!!

[@charmingbandit4725]

Never ever lie to anyone about the shape a victim is in. Lying will cause more trauma in the end.

[@mmiller7965]

You can bet if this was done to a member of family was a police officers family or prosecutors family the sentence would have been entirely different!

[@wyzasukitan]

The shooter is from a protected class in Canada. He was already known to police despite his youth, however the ‘extenuating circumstances’ of his protected class designation means that he will never be held accountable. And he WILL go on to reoffend, he has learned nothing from this.

[@skye9423]

And you’ve arrived at these strong conclusions because you know him personally??…

[@canadianjatti]

@@skye9423 no its racism as the youth is indigenous and this is the "protected class" lol

[@samspade1841]

@@skye9423I’d say he pretty well summed it up. It’s racist to use your ethnics for special rights and benefits

[@Lumixoxoxo]

So…You point, you shoot and that’s not intentional?? What else can happen when you shoot at someone?? They have so many excuses. Crazy!

[@annmowatt7547]

I watch a lot of these programmes and I am horrified by the leniency of the sentences. All the excuses made for the perpetrators by the prosecution are simply unbelievable!!!!!!! They almost killed an innocent man. Unbelievable. I am switching off before I hear the sentences.

[@margieclarke6165]

OMG what a travesty Law can be , whatever Country🤮 Never mind what damage he did to the Father, he could have caused the death of the entire Family but hes young and had a shit upbringing on booze and drugs. so No Real consequences. this Episode Really made me think👹

[@bobdasilva6405]

What an amazing man and family. I wish them all the very best. Having watched several of these Crime Beat videos, don't think I will ever visit Canada again. Thought we in Queensland had a problem.

[@TheMsdmeanor]

I can’t even…. 41 mil on youth restorative Justice is ridiculous when one man’s livelihood is destroyed Shameful

[@marilouchan4500]

Ignorance to the law shouldn't be used as an excuse whether you grew up in a dysfunctional family. This young man shouldn't be allowed to have a normal life again as he ruins someone else's. And that is why I hate the most this defence lawyers, I wonder how they could defend someone who is obviously guilty as charged. Anyway, Kuddos to Mr Horst, you are an unbelievable individual, GOD be with you 😊

[@annamariadipancrazio7315]

I've had a rough childhood but I never went around with sawed off shotguns shooting at random people.

[@joannahampton5979]

Nancy Hicks always sounds like she's reading a story to her kindergarten class! 🙄

[@emijacqueline]

Then don’t listen to it.

[@joannahampton5979]

@@emijacqueline What are you the comment police?

[@999tj6]

Maybe because a lot of foreign nationals watch this show as well… many appreciate annunciation and soft spoken voices to listen to and understand.

[@emijacqueline]

@@joannahampton5979 yes I am and I’m putting you under citizens arrest for being annoying.

[@lizmcgee1862]

I'll never again take the beauty of 3Sisters for granted. Seeing them is awe-inspiring, and perhaps good luck. 🍀 Be well Horst 🖖😊

[@janepreston4231]

What a lovely family and an exceptional son awful thing to happen to them

[@mmiller7965]

I just saw crimebeat the story about against All odds. I'm a Canadian and I am absolutely gobsmacked with what this prosecutor was saying is he stupid what is somebody get to him n threats his family? Unbelievable!!!! The guy was 17 n looked younger??????? There r child killers did this idiot prosecuted know this fact,! This should do exactly what he was doing but all seem to be about this poor little kid absolutely disgusting! So because the guy didn't die it wasn't attempted murder! Well I'm a Canadian and I am so embarrassed and disappointed somebody gets caught with some drugs on him and they get a bigger reaction that this did. And the copper or detective was so happy didn't have to engage in gunfight because this was only a child small in stature🤦 This poor man was travelling innocently with his God bless there's some little piece of crap and his buddies decided to kill this man. Mistaken identity or not It was attempted murder. Shame on our Justice system! We'll wait til this child as the police called him... Does the same either influenced by someone or on his own someday!