Criminal Defence Lawyer Marie Dyhrberg About The New Gang Patch Ban

[@Tc-zb8ht]

Here argument is about as Valid as TPM not being racist's.

[@shanehoward6252]

😅

[@deksper]

Dyhard plays Devil's advocate, because she has always been paid well trying to form a defence for the behaviour of criminals.

[@HiddenHammock]

If you want “VISIBLE PROOF” Ecuador arrested there way of out the problem. 🇪🇨🚨👮

[@kiwishitloard2568]

The system was brutal but it worked. You can’t argue results.

[@StGammon77]

QLD Australia ran the gangs out of State, tell them all to go far North and build a Trump wall

[@GaryStone-u9q]

So much of what she says is total non sense. They may not cause mayhem in the nice leafy inner city Auckland suburb where Marie lives (Ponsonby) but it happens everywhere else. Ask anyone in Wairoa, Hastings, Rotorua, the list goes on. And yes Marie, they cause a lot of havoc at gang funerals with their burn outs and intimidation of other road users. So while you work inside with them inside the system, your contact with gang members inside the system is when they come to you for help and no doubt, always polite with you. You are NOT the front line cop dealing with them at street level. I was a front line cop in Wairoa, so I too worked inside the system and can tell you they do not all come from bad homes, most of the ones I dealt with actually came from good homes with siblings who were 100% law abiding and had no time for gang antics. The gang patch law is not designed to rectify whatever upbringing these criminals may have had, it is designed to give Police the another power to help them get on top of the gang (organised criminal) problem and stop them intimidating hard working, law abiding AND taxpaying members of society. Marie is never one to shy away from the opportunity to get in front of the microphone to defend these criminals that cause so much misery, and why would she? She makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year (as do numerous other KC's) looking after the interests of criminals.

[@lividgamer2383]

Thank you for your service.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

It's a real life Saul Goodman defense strategy on display here. The general public aren't interested in why someone joins a gang, they are interested in the safeguarding of their own peaceable existence, the protection of which is a concept that lies at the very heart of law across all Western democratic nations. It takes quite a weasel to say that all of Western law is focused on the wrong thing here. A horrible upbringing is indeed a terrible thing, and might go a long way to explaining what might motivate an individual to join a gang, but it should in no way be offered as an excuse for the horrific violent offending they commit when they are in the gang.

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Proverty an fatherless homes an woke politicians an woke education systems ,unemployment ,weak family units cause crime . Show me the boy at 7 an i will show you the man Do you honestly think taking patches will stop crime stupid . Google Jordan peterson an Dr Daniel Amen on the brain . Good behaviour starts with mum an dad then the community an then the education system an then politicians using common sense an rational thinking . Taking patches is a bandage not solving nothing ,the gangs go under ground .

[@marshalrimene4640]

Tuff guy

[@TripleNippleXIV]

@@XXXX-yc6wv, have you considered that this will cause more ostracization for these marginalized people and have a worse flow on effect toward your communities future of "peaceable existence" as you put it.

[@kiwiingrid]

Self responsibility would be a place to start. They dont give a stuff about the mayhem they cause. I dont see how pandering to the gangs is in our best interests. If they do the crime, they do the time, but thats not going to deter the next lot from joining a gang.

[@TripleNippleXIV]

yeah, but like how about you could start with self entitlement and privilege. you come off yours, maybe theyll come off theirs. maybe brush up on systemic opression while your onthe introspective journey.. also not implementing a law is not pandering to a crowd.. all implementing it does is give a dog whistle to conservative values, all the while actually grabbing more state power the thing neo-conservatives actually dont want. more government oversight. self righteous doesnt look pretty on you.

[@colinrichards3012]

Her sights are set too far in the future. We need to deal with the present.

[@ontheedge6207]

Woke as lawyer

[@seanpindred]

She shld be stripped of being a KC who wants her round lol

[@deksper]

She is one of many that would say anything to defend the longevity of their brand of gravy train.

[@DD065]

One has to keep one's client base! Apart from that, how did the plan to pay the gangs to run rehab programs worked out? Wasn't that just a brilliant idea; pay the dealers to run rehabs for their customers ... you just can't make this shite up!

[@lisalee6363]

Meatal health sounds like one the most apllied excuses when defending a criminal behavior 🤔

[@TripleNippleXIV]

what if i put you in a box to stare at walls, surrounded by abusive and antisocial behaviour controlling your surrounding. and if you want to not be around it, you get but in 24hr isolation with 1 hr a day to walk around a larger concrete room. albeitstill on your own. how long do you think your healthy brain would stay optimum? your willpower, fortitude.. once its gone, theres no interventionary program. if your still in the public you become fully suspetable to abuse, control & acclamation. if you are on your own. ohwell sit there with your broken head for the rest of your stay. we dont fund mental health services adequately on the outside, best believe they're more lacking inside. on release day if your not so broken we can release you back into the public without having to put you under the health act. go be free, lets see how recidivism goes.

[@andycy2226]

Dyhrburg has made her living from defending people who have broken the law so she is always going to advance a point of view that is advantageous to criminals

[@1John5-12]

These social interventions are all accessible and have been for decades. And so, ???

[@stephenprice-o6j]

I just cannot believe how dumb people can be. Everyone acts according to the habits that they have "picked up" as a result of not controlling the way they think. Why is it that some people are allowed to continue with the same lifestyles of serious crime and anti-social behaviour against hard working, tax paying people with good work "ethics" caused by THEIR OWN DECISIONS to develop productive lifestyles ? This "defence" Lawyer is just another example of someone who had developed bad habits of ignoring the FACTS. And if you want them, go get them and see for yourself.

[@harrycurrie9664]

Removal of gang patches has been very successful in Australia, it works so well you never see a gang on tour anymore.

[@hororivers4911]

Why ask questions if you don't want the person you asked to interview to answer with their knowledge and expertise?

[@hororivers4911]

No they are still there just harder to identify because they no longer wear patches

[@harrycurrie9664]

@@hororivers4911 Not hard to identify 100 Harleys and what they represent ...and they don't see them on the roads anymore.

[@daedalus7677]

@@hororivers4911 - No expertise here. Just woke warming of the gravy train!

[@Nalla57]

Marie Dyhrberg needs to try living in the real world !!

[@deksper]

Simple answer to gangs = Make laws that ensure that crime does not pay.

[@gordonpotts9642]

Maria Dyhrberg you need to get up with good example for the young,obvious a left leaning judge.

[@patrickhauraki8713]

All that does is clog up the court system ...pointless

[@daedalus7677]

It's not ideal, but preferable to doing nothing.

[@IanRobinson-y4o]

What a waste of oxygen. All she can see is her livelihood going down the gurgler.

[@DGreenwood]

She is the one not looking long term. No gang patches in the short term causes friction medium term the gangs go patchless and try to continue activities but numbers slowly reduce. Do the gangs disappear? no! does one of the large draw card get taken away and less people join? Yes then with lower gang numbers is it easier for police to monitor and catch the criminal actions further reducing numbers? Yes! Long term net benifit works

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

Typical academic. Straight out of university and into a law office .

[@nickbuchanan9158]

If you watch the examples from every other country around the world. Pretending the gang members are victims only makes the problems worse. The only places that have made improvements are the ones who draws hard lines against them. For example Nayib Bukele from El Salvador cleared up their gang problems in a very short time frame.

[@calmminds2065]

First she is saying its due to isolation, the next min shes talking about it being family related.

[@mrsANGRYh]

If all of the things Marie Dyberg says regarding their “why” they join a gang, then why do we have a major gang problem? Obviously her way isn’t working.

[@daedalus7677]

The best bit of the new legislation seems to be that gang membership is an aggravating factor at sentencing.

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Its dangerous these few people in politics introduce new laws into NZ society ,these politicians should not be able to pass laws so easy .

[@jeffmcintyre2091]

Great job😂

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

If the max sentence is six months in prison, the that maximum sentence is well short of the two years sentence that is the threshold to be home detention

[@mrsANGRYh]

Oh my gosh.. this KC is living in a fantasy world.

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Costs the NZ tax payers over a $100,000 plus to put one one individual in jail

[@geraldcoffey3303]

What next will govt ban if they find it offensive. My men can't become woman t-shirt

[@keepingitreal618]

I definitely want that T shirt 😊

[@daedalus7677]

Heyyyy.............you might have something there!

[@davesimpson5185]

If your in a gang you should go straight to prison.

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Why does Norway an Denmark an Singapore have less crime . Whys USA got high crime ?

[@haughie61]

Marie wants to be president

[@topfish1225]

No such thing as a positive relationship when it comes to gangs

[@danielglen7544]

Apart from the rule of law why was she talking

[@ihagibson9274]

Truth by consensus or fact you choose

[@hellbender10]

Good move , Take their marketing tool away.

[@stuwhyte479]

You can imagine when a couple of cops come across 60 "gang" members. Cop 1 to Cop 2 "oh for fuck sakes drive on mate let's get outta here we didn't see anything" 😅

[@patriciabailey4017]

Wow good luck ,sad for police,as mps sit safe,and did u build more prisons,and more staff for the hospitals to tend to the wounded, WATCH THIS SPACE NZ.

[@colindigitaljames6619]

I bet she doesn't live in any of the streets gangs live in or small towns they call home.

[@reiolite2354]

If it is morally wrong or against the law,to wear a patch, but ok to know nz contractors in ukraine aint never returning home. Or seeing nz military vehicles burnt out defeated in ukraine.

[@kerionyewu1799]

Why do the people “ who work within the system” keep talking on dichotomous terms. What is needed is a spectrum of approaches that do offer consideration for the causes of gang affiliation and a tougher approach that keeps innocent kiwis safe fe harm abuse and other criminal activity that wrecks generations of lives. Let’s cooperate with the police here and still look at making society better( which most police are already doing in their day to day activities anyhow)

[@pnua]

Good luck on trying to stop the ban. Prison to these gang members is like a 2nd home, which means absolutely nothing to them. But, are we prepared for a few cops to lose their lives over this... because gangs, especially the MM and BB, will definitely die for what is perceived as an attack on their family honor. Imo

[@johnr3150]

Need to arm the police which the majority of cops want.

[@oldmatemrman1280]

😂 organised crime groups don't lead to higher crime rates??

[@Didyouthinktopray]

May I ask what KC is? It's a new term for me

[@TheCastleMV]

The example Marie uses of Australian gangs moving from Western Australia & Queensland to Canberra to escape the tougher controls on their activities holds no weight here in New Zealand. She appears not to be able to see (or hopes that we will not recognize) that in New Zealand we apply laws across the entire country. We are not a collection of States with differing laws. We have universal laws. Let me put it this way - Where can a gang member move within New Zealand to reside where there are a different set of laws relating to gang activity? Yes, you can move to different States in Australia to make your life of crime more advantageous but I gather that the folks in Western Australia & Queensland will not miss the gang presence. And what does it tell you about a group of people that are motivated to move States to avoid laws to protect the citizens of the State they are currently in? It would suggest to me they are not motivated to change their criminal behavior.

[@adelaidewilson7917]

yes media cant get to the facts or even kno where to start like that top class lawyer telling like it is there are always two sides .. get with the korero leah..

[@alanJones-c9l]

This is just the sort of person who is going to end being a judge. I wonder if she was one of the 50 KC's writing to protest against David Seymour's treaty bill? How trendy to be worrying about the gangmember's background and upbringing - try worrying about the wellbeing and rights of the innocent first, because law-and-order in NZ has been going backwards during your tenure!

[@GaryStone-u9q]

No, she wasn't one of the 50 KC's who signed the letter, much to my surprise, but high court judge? Nah, she is way too old now and makes shit loads more as a KC riding the legal aid gravy train

[@jonathonmerson93]

Marie is an outstanding Lawyer .And a good person as well .Her perspective is valid and great to listen to .

[@deksper]

🤣🤣🤣 Defended a few in your gang has she?

[@keepingitreal618]

😂😂😂😂 yeh right did she represent you 😂😂😂😂

[@keepingitreal618]

@@deksper100%

[@jonathonmerson93]

@@keepingitreal618 Sir Peter Williams did and he was a great man .He was of course a Queens council .I find those types of people very thoughful and caring .

[@jonathonmerson93]

@@deksper What gang ,she defended you on your shoplifting charges didnt she ?

[@ChelleMEis]

How pointless

[@irenecooney7066]

Is this a school yard wtf

[@cavinshakesheave9938]

It’s a load of nonsense what difference do these gangs make to the average Kiwi life and will they take any notice of the police in fact it may make their life more dangerous to carry out their duty.

[@kelvincollyer5738]

didn't even bother to listen to her just another lawyer who knows nothing about the real world

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Th mafia dont wear patches an are more organised an brutal . Mexican mafia,japanese mafia,Russian Mafia

[@karannagodsuriya8535]

As a general description, any lawyer who uses loopholes in the law to get off a criminal does a disservice to the victim. Let's be clear: She does this to make money. The infamous shoplifting ex-Green MP Ghahraman justified defending political leader Joseph Nzirorera in Rwanda, who died before he could be convicted of genocide, with something to the effect that " Everyone needs a defence lawyer." Every criminal gets a defence lawyer, most of them paid generously by the Tax-payer. More criminals getting caught breaking the law more money for the Lawyers so it is in the best interest to look after your business for bread and butter.

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

Both rehab and long prison sentence is needed. Most people would not know what harm to hard drugs of today will cause. How these drugs are made to get people addicted and to harm them. Some use pot and other drugs for self treatment. Just look at the USA zombie states thats how it will be if no one is educated around the damage drug's do I'm sure no one what's to be like that. videos of these people in the zombi states should be shown in schools on how drugs will make you be. Or you can work have a nice home car and savings for holidays. But this will be a lie as you will work and be homeless live next to people from the zombi state

[@arthurtapikisnr7999]

The Mob, and Black Power and others will run rings around the law sooner or later. Especially when something big like a funeral happens. Now this Lawyer I remember in my days as a Tribesmen is well worth her thoughts cause she's been on the front lines since the old Otahuhu court room days. Don't try to think over her she's experienced. Word!. But I know Luxton and his band of merrymen are a future of the past. Here we go again. Ozzy is a different kettle of fish .NZ how ever is NZ. The police better have the numbers. Cause they're gonna up the level of crime. 🥳🧨🤣😂

[@nataliechilds4259]

Take a leaf out of President Bukele's book.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

I strongly object to this weasel's argument. For starters, she doesn't even attempt to hide the fact that it is predicated on the notion that she is the expert and that we, the general public, are a bunch of idiots who just don't understand. There are plenty of ways to find community and kinship without resorting to violent criminal offending. Dyhrberg is suggesting there are none, which is not only patently absurd, but plays the public for gullible fools. Really begs the question of how much money this woman has taken as a criminal defense for gang members, because she is most certainly offering a defense for them in this interview.

[@charlenemcgillan5650]

So because they wore hard done by and joined a gang did bad shit and broke laws everyone else has to just be ok with it like o well lol yeah ok lady

[@jase0140]

In Australia these laws simply made it look like the politicians had cleaned things up. The reality is before you could easily see who was a gang member ,now their still active but not so easily identified ! Good luck with what your trying to do? Some societies and systems just dont learn. Trying to strong arm a result wont fix the problems.

[@johnr3150]

Not hard to identify when you have your gang name on your forehead.

[@jase0140]

Yeah of course they all have that? The laws do little ! ​@johnr3150

[@MrKura77]

Here we go again, the old 'if you take their patches off you can't identify them' arguement. It's so moronic. You identify people primarily by their face, but also their physical characteristics e.g height, build, gait etc. Not what clothes they happen to have on. Honestly. If your mate comes to visit, but he's wearing a shirt you've never seen before, do you say "who are you?" Of course not.

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Google Jordan Peterson on freedoms . He explains nazis ,facism ,communism ,democracy ,totatarium society .

[@carolbrooks5514]

She is speaking rubbish. Already there has been compliance with this. We all accept that SOME gang members have experienced difficulties in life BUT there are many people having similar or worse upbringing have not resorted to joining gangs but instead have turned their lives around and made something of themselves. These are the ones who have realized that hard work and effort will benefit them.

[@gregg7617]

What is the Bill of rights views , And the constitution views on this loss of Freedom of expression !?🤔🤨😠😡😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 Best the law is not applied to law abiding citizens , As police usually Do 😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 Poverty unemployment Dept And the biggy , govern - ment polices ! Ok !? You get it now !?🤔🤨😠😡

[@quintinsmith5400]

After the Iwi have their input the sentences are a joke. Total 2tier racisim everyday! When my ancestors passed the bar they went and fought in the Boer war... imagine ANY of you high society lawer types looking after the intrests of hard working Kiwis. I live in the block with 2 kids protecting people from gangs all the time. SICK OF CLUELESS.... 🖕🖕🇳🇿

[@RobClifton-vi4ef]

Proverty an broken families causes crime . Get to the bottom of mental health ,get into employment ,get to the bottom of drugs an alcohol . The annoucer is stupid .

[@pheonixcollector6502]

Typical Platform interview. Interrupt, divert and seek bring in feelings over fact without any interest in deep dive logistics. Sean do you want proper News show or just an echo chamber of the boneheads u starting to attract ? Lift ya game son.

[@nbaalltheway]

What?

[@hariseldon3786]

Marie - you present this as an "either", "or" situation. That is not the case - both approaches should be adopted - as well, here is a reasonable proposition, some people are just "bad code" and some people are simply "greedy and/or narcissistic" - so this either/or approach is ideological rather than operational. Ban patches AND have the programs. As well, I do not like the phrase "we know" - it sounds haughty and elitist... hubris.

[@Sharpy7562]

Ha ha most got designer gear now or splattered over faces

[@gordonpotts9642]

Lets hope Luxon gets sick of splattered faces.😄

[@steveosullivan4211]

So has anyone who supports organize crime EVERY asked the VICTIMS of these thugs if the thugs should be punished for the rape, killing or destruction that these thugs brought upon them. These lawyers' profit of the victims, they care little for the suffering, BUT they LOVE THE $$$$ they get for defending them. LASTLY the thugs and supporters talk about human rights......before the rape, murder or drug death, did the thug ask about their human rights and the 64 million one have they ever said SORRY. Plus has a lawyer every said SORRY.

[@whatdididotodeservethis1419]

How is introducing a law that stops people wearing clothing. stop other crime. If you spend time policing that. Just take away resources away from stopping those things.

[@GaryStone-u9q]

Of course the thugs don't ask that, and, lawyers never say sorry, as long as the $$$$$ kepp rolling in things are good.

[@AminYaMum85]

Get to the bottom of blah blah mate.We've always had places to go for people needing help for addiction etc but we can't force them to go.And so the cycle continues.Stick to the hardliners approach I say

[@chrismitchell4295]

Snouts in the taxpayers trough, doesn't give a shit about the victims...