If You Have Obnoxious Anger Issues... I Hate You

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#anger #angermanagement

[@johnhubbard8490]

I am a cis First Nations man and a recovered alcoholic (with 30+ years of sobriety). While in my recovery, I discovered that I was as addicted to anger as I was the booze. I now try to approach it like I would a drug, and this has kept me alive and caring for my oyate.

[@Alaskan-Armadillo]

As another native have you ever noticed how anger issues are very common among our people? I'm not trying to shame but a lot of it is due to trauma.

[@davidradtke160]

I used to be addicted to anger too. It was how I managed all negative feels. I turned everything into anger. I finally started dealing with it and treating it like an addiction after I broke my hand in multiple places in a rage and finally realized my anger wasn’t hurting the people I was angry at, it was really hurting me.

[@davidradtke160]

@@Alaskan-Armadillo I think it’s everyone with trauma. I’m white but I grew up in Hawaii where I was a disliked minority. Got in lots of fights and I had huge anger problems. I’d call it an addiction. Anger was how I dealt with everything negative. When I moved to the main land I was so angry and violent I got moved to schools for kids with problems and it was all angry traumatized kids. Mostly black on the east coast, but everyone no mater the color has trauma and anger problems. Parents abandoned so raised by grandparents, alcoholic or abusive parents, parents dead from over dose, abuse from family (sexual or just physical). I think for a lot of people anger is a coping mechanism for trauma, it was for me. Instead of being sad, or depressed, it was easier to be angry all the time at everything and everyone.

[@DE-GEN-ART]

thank you, john redcorn

[@claires1063]

@@DE-GEN-ART fym?

[@fangworl5170]

Person with anger issues here. I think it's perfectly cool and groovy to hold us accountable for our flaws. I've snapped at my current partner more than a few times, and they held me accountable and pressured me to change. I'm now working on removing myself from stressful situations (particularly at school) and taking a second to calm down. The fact that so many people don't understand this basic accountability is beyond me.

[@SaraphDarklaw]

Agreed. I have mood swings that manifest as anger. I also learn to just walk away. The problem I’m having is how to explain that now’s not the time to talk. That I need space to relax. But yes, ultimately it is on us.

[@larsferland5165]

I think for me, the biggest issue is that Vaush's rhetoric in this video really seems to be about some deep-rooted hatred for anger issues and not a logical "hey, people can be unable to control it but you're still responsible for your actions." Like, sure, I can control my actions, but I can't control my emotions, and it's weird as fuck to say to everyone just to control it. Then if people don't, they feel broken and confused and they just don't seek help. So the cycle gets worse because of "personal accountability." Super anti-leftist actually, and weird that Vaush would resort to the same rhetoric that causes people to be permanently trapped in incel and "pray the gay away" communities.

[@alephnulI]

@@larsferland5165 I've seen way too many people use this argument to defend being abusive, so I lean more towards Vaush's take on this. I'm tired and sick of people who try to use mental health as a gaslighting and abuse technique and those two kinds of people overlap a lot. So it's always better to have a person by person analysis than a general take in that subject. You can't make a swiping statement "this group is suffering" vs "this group is abusive", you need to know the person and figure out what's up with them in particular. But in cases online where you can't have that level of care, Vaush's take is the least harmful imo.

[@Axymerion]

@@larsferland5165 > Like, sure, I can control my actions, but I can't control my emotions Great, that means you are not lashing out on other people and are not abusing others, and all what Vaush said is not directed at you.

[@ValeriePersonalReal]

Im ngl if my partner snaps at me im gone 💀

[@zenbear9952]

Being angry is fine and normal but it's what you do while angry that matters. Anger can be a useful emotion if it's channeled properly. It can also be harmful if it's used in a negative way

[@emees9292]

100% This.

[@jakobc.2558]

In 99% of cases anger is a bad emotion though. Unless you are a monkey trying to project dominance in your tribe, anger is almost always unproductive. You almost never convince someone of changeing their mind while being openly angry.

[@zenbear9952]

@@jakobc.2558 It's all in how you use it. I gurantee that if you're angry you can be far more productive in certain tasks. Like seriously channeling your anger into doing chores or a hobby can make you extremely focused on doing them. It's only bad when you start breaking stuff or abusing people aka people aren't controlling their anger. Anger is the emotion that is telling you that something is wrong. Like seeing someone abuse a dog will probably make a lot of people angry and seek justice. Protests are literally channeling anger in a more correct way imo. Not everything has to be about debates my guy

[@billiecruz4399]

@@jakobc.2558 nah homie you need some Jungian psychology in yo noggin. The parts of you that are uncomfortable or even destructive are important and you got to accept them. To reject yourself, even the fucked-up parts, is to live in agony.

[@emilyrainflower25]

Right, and what about people who are suffering from a mental illness who are experiencing a melt down? That’s suddenly morally reprehensible?

[@yurigagarin9765]

Jokes and snappy chat aside, I'd like to point out that "having anger issues" and Crowder's attitude are not the same thing. If you can't control your anger, that's though and bad and I hope you work on it and so on, but Crowder literally instrumentalizes his anger to abuse and control his employees and (now ex-)wife, because he believes he has the right to do so and is selfish enough to put his sadism above the well-being of others. You cannot say that "Crowder has trouble controlling his anger" because he doesn't attempt to do so. He willingly lets it flow and he thinks it's a good thing.

[@land_and_air1250]

Yeah that’s what vaush is criticizing people who know they have anger issues but don’t think of it as a thing that should be or can be improved and instead let if flow through them

[@BlisaBLisa]

@@land_and_air1250 no i still think its different, crowders behavior aligns with his morals and political beliefs he thinks hes right to act like he does, thats not the same as a person with anger issues who doesnt take responsibility for hurting others and doesnt ever try to improve. idk if crowder is mentally ill or anything but someone doesnt have to be mentally ill to be like him, they just have to have fucked up beliefs. i think most people with anger issues dont think of it as a good thing and know its a negative trait but they just dont want to work on it or think they cant fix it.

[@gojiraguy200]

I mean abusive behavior like that is usually still deeply linked to having never bothered to learn how to regulate emotions, instead having normalized handling them like shit and feeling entitled to make it everyone else's problem. Whether you're simply still learning to handle difficult emotions/triggers or actually still hold this deeply dehumanizing view of other people, it's less of a binary and more of a spectrum. There's often overlap.

[@gourdguru]

@@gojiraguy200 the problem is that ISN'T the case. he DOESN'T have issues controlling/regulating his anger, in fact it's quite the opposite, he's a narcissistic manipulator who knows exactly how to control his anger and uses his anger to control and manipulate. it's not a shortcoming or a weakness, it's a tool in his social survival kit. he intentionally dehumanizes and belittles to maintain control through emotional manipulation and guilt. the tactic is to treat you like less than dirt while turning the argument around on them in order to beat them into submission through guilt. you're beneath them, you owe them, you don't deserve them, you can't do better than them, etc. the leaked footage is self evident, he demands his severely pregnant wife continue to be his servant and refuses to let her use the car to run errands for the household, all calmly, and it's only when she calls his behavior what it is, abuse, that he INTENTIONALLY increases the heat and starts using very pointed attacks against her self confidence, "why can't you just be a good wife?" etc. IT'S CALCULATED. Narcissists, Egomaniacs, Megalomaniacs, and Sociopaths all commonly rely on this technique or a variation of it in order to steer the conversation away from their faults and maintain the high ground.

[@Westlander857]

Growing up with close relatives who had anger issues, I agree you can’t abuse your family members in every sense of the word, destroy your household and then blame your “disorder” and try to garner sympathy. Once you start harming other people, using your mental illness as a defense doesn’t fly anymore. You’re being abusive, and that’s the bottom line, mental illness or not. This is why it’s so very important to be self-aware and get professional help ASAP when you realize you might have behavior problems.

[@aliichi]

Textbook abuse the left tries to normalize.

[@tomfooleryjohn6176]

yeah no becoming aware as to how badly i was hurting those around me was pivotal for me… like not really sure how to describe it but i’m pretty sure i just fucking was in denial about how it was affecting those around me, because realizing how badly i was hurting people was just, too much to bear… but, with their help and me trying to be more self aware, it really fucking sunk in how badly i was hurting those i loved… and like, i don’t want to hurt them, and i feel fucking awful every god damn day for how i’ve hurt them, but, if i am to remotely be better about it, and hopefully restore my relationships with others to try to undo the harm i’ve caused them, i needed to actually think, and let it sink in the effects of my actions… I had to hold myself accountable, as did they, and, it’s been better for them and me, I’ve made massive improvements, and most if not all of my relationships rn seem to be more or less restored… I’m still not perfect but I’ve been working with my therapist and those around me, and yeah, like my “disorder” here, if it’s even caused by the actual disorders i have, is not an excuse, it may make it more difficult but, like people don’t deserve abusive behavior from others, even if there is some “disorder” causing it… So yeah no, honestly, and I am obviously biased here, but I do think that people who are abusive to others in whatever form have the potential to actually stop being abusive, but they need to take it upon themselves to, well, identify and work on the issue… Those who are abusive and continue to be in my experience are either those just fucking seriously in denial about the consequences of their actions, or alternatively, they just don’t simply care.

[@duckheadbob]

​@BanquetOfTheLeviathan I highly doubt that would be effective. Sure if the person with anger issues agrees to it. Might as well give it a shot. But I HIGHLY doubt unsolicited psychological advice from everyday people in your life would be received well by those with unrestrained anger issues. Many people with untreated anger issues have deep insecurities and I doubt a non-professional would be able to disarm those insecurities to actual provide any sort of worthwhile therapy. I think the more likely outcome there is that the non professional therapist inadvertently pisses off the one of anger issues during their session creating a further rift in their relationship.

[@pi172]

"hold on, someone in the chat is being dumb...." Thats how all the best Vaush Pit segments start : )

[@toataile6450]

I'm autistic, and went undiagnosed until I was 14. I struggled with my anger until I was around 19. I come from an abusive family, and I was for the longest time bullied by peers and mistreated by adults in my life. This led me to hurt people I loved, alienate myself from people I wanted to be friends with, and I had ruined a lot of opportunities for myself because I couldn't control my anger. I'm 24 now, and I feel that while I may still experience anger, I control it, not the other way around. Anyone with anger issues can work on themselves and grow and change. I finally live up to the pacifist ideals I always held, and I have a reputation as someone who is calm and approachable.

[@quantumjourney1]

Being diagnosed at 14 is awesomely early tbf

[@teranelson826]

Good on you for all the hard work and getting to a better place.

[@edrolick1]

that’s amazing dude, that takes a lot of work and is really difficult. I had a lot of anger issues growing up too, and it took a long time to get those in control

[@Zrytun]

Happened to me to. I was actually bullied by teachers as well wail go to a school for special needs

[@mattharris7674]

Hell yea dude

[@icecoldnut5152]

I currently am being treated for mental health issues involving irritation and impulsivity. Vaush does have autism which can also exhibit these traits. He is 100% correct about people with anger issues. It's not a curse to always be an angry or irritable person. There are steps you can take to manage your emotions and impulses. It's not an excuse to act that way. Acknowledge that it's a personal issue and take actions to ensure you don't let it affect yourself or others. Take responsibility. It's not about who you were, it's about you right now. And if you have these issues right now, deal with them. Don't make it other people's problem.

[@star3catcherSEQUEL]

A lot of people who claim to have "anger issues" don't. It's an excuse they whip out for when they want to abuse people and get away with it. You can tell the difference in one simple way: How often do these "anger issues" come out against someone who that person is afraid of or respects in some way, like a boss or a person they want to impress or want something from? If the answer is not very, then you don't have an angry person, you have an asshole.

[@digitalshinigami8441]

As someone with anger issues its the number one thing i hate about myself. I dont like being that way, nor would I want to encourage it as normal or something to accept. Now I totally get saying "hey someone with anger issues should be encouraged to get help, not shamed" and personally I prescribe to your mentality of not feeling guilt over it cuz it never helps, just makes you more angry. But having a anger issue is a massive personality flaw that not only makes your own life worse, makes everyone around you life worse. If you relapse and snap at someone, apologize, accept you were in the wrong, and then try to understand why you got like that so you can better avoid it in the future.

[@MrGksarathy]

Yeah, having a huge guilt complex about it never actually helps, and that's true for other major flaws as well.

[@delos2279]

Being open and able to apologize after is a big difference already. A lot of people can't do that because they can't or won't even recognize there's an issue with their anger.

[@vanyadolly]

@@MrGksarathy Well guilt is very helpful when it comes to acknowledging your bad behaviour and seeking help. It's a lot more difficult when people believe their anger is justified, either because they "can't control it" or it's everyone else that's setting them off. Anger affects the people around you and human beings generally feel guilt over hurting others.

[@NapalmAssasian]

I totally sypathize with Vaush's take here. So many people are just mean. Its not like they snap every once in a while and are apologetic afterwards. They will consistently and predictably lose their temper at the smallest inconvenience and then the worst part is they or other people around them will excuse it by saying "sorry they are just like that." If you like psychologically have issues that is a different thing. But so many people just to anger as like their goto response.

[@aliichi]

Abusers and enablers~

[@DylanBeaudry]

This comment (NapalmAssasian's) is basically my dad. He's just really good at hiding himself, which is why, if you aren't born family, you wouldn't know. He has rarely taken accountability, (only once, I remember), and will just blame us instead. All this is why I can't tell if he's gotten better.

[@clemsyaf9627]

Tbf, I think someone getting angry over every little thing would be a psychological issue, whether it's brought about by brain chemistry or ideology or whatever else. The important thing is recognizing the harm that's being caused and getting help, and if someone isn't putting in the effort to improve themselves that means they either don't care or see the abuse they are committing as unproblematic or maybe even a positive, all of which make some pretty fuckin shitty of a person

[@HandleMyBallsYouTube]

Another great example of a Vaush take that hits home but is presented in such an agressive and violent manner that it takes out like 200 innocent bystanders in the process. Edit: SInce this kinda blew up, some clarification, I do agree with him, as someone who has had anger issues in the past that are now mostly resolved, it can be really important to understand how bad that can be for other people, and that they aren't in any way obligated to sit there and listen to you being a pos. That said I don't think his tone was particularly helpful, and the whole ''you won't change'' spiel could be seen as genuinely harmful.t I don't usually go to Vaush to get coddled so I guess there's that, but I do think he could chill out a bit sometimes. As for me, if you struggle with anger issues, I truly only wish that you get better, no more, no less.

[@DemoWarlock]

Then the weak shall be culled, this is literally how he talks about everything, it’s their fault that they only hate it when it happens to them

[@burkles4456]

Also the lack of self-awareness. Where I’ve seen a few instances of Vaush changing his opinion silently after vehemently defending it for a month. Not too upfront about his own problems.autism isn’t an excuse

[@God_gundam36]

Reminds me when he shit talked people who have drug addiction that hurt overs, like stealing money and shit like that and so many people got mad Like yeah it sucks and everyone deserves help but sometime people do just hurt you because they can't or won't control a problem they have

[@QwertyMcQwertz]

Kinda rids the community of people not ready to change tho. I could relate to the chatters who were getting mad, but at the same time I knew exactly where this clip was going, because I agree with Vaush on it, and I don't like being angry, and he's right. The threshold for whether one can change or not in regards to anger issues is (bare minimum) impartial acknowledgment of it

[@kookykutter69]

This. He is so unlikeable in the way he expresses some of his opinions lol

[@MrShitthead]

Vaush was a bit rough in the start there, but man oh man can i say I whole heartedly relate to his feelings on despising people with no self control. I worked in a small business with a guy who was 6’4 and 300lbs of rage. The guy would be nice one moment and then blow up into an asshole the next over the most benign shit. He’d start swearing, yelling, slamming keyboards, and at one point event threatened to assault me…. He specifically hated me the most because despite him being twice my size I wasn’t a complete push over… It got to the point where we had to sit him down and have a long chat about his issues and our problems. It eventually got to the point (after relentless gas lighting) that he admitted that he has anger issues and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder but refuses to get treatment because the world should just accept him for who he is. That was the day that it finally clicked for me that it’s not my job to be someone’s punching bag or therapist, especially if you’re so selfish that you refuse to get help. We fired the idiot and he hates my guts to this day and blames me for everything that’s gone wrong in his life. Don’t be that guy people, you’ll end up miserable and alone.

[@gojiraguy200]

Someone who's worked a lot on anger issues here. I've learned there are three rules in life: 1. Everyone suffers. 2. Everyone's suffering matters, and they all deserve access to support - and compassion, optionally, from those who care. 3. *NO ONE* gets to use that suffering as an excuse to treat others like shit. Every abuser thinks they're the special little exception to rule three, and at this point I'm years past bothering with that optional compassion. You forfeit that when you break rule three. You get softness and support when you own your shit and actually try and work on it instead of turning it on everyone else. No one owes you that.

[@JamieElli]

The problem is when you make your issues someone else's problem. That's what bad people do. Good job everyone who's working on no longer doing that.

[@rlh1984]

Vaush: I can’t stand people who have no self control. Also Vaush: I have no filter.

[@CultureFiendMedia89]

Amen

[@MagusMirificus]

In fairness, it is specifically in this livestream mode that we all know him for that Vaush refuses to have a filter, which I think is about as fair as a musician or a standup refusing to filter themselves in their work. One reason folks have this skewed impression that Vaush "Doesn't care about being nice to people" is that he treats posting content as creative expression rather than interpersonal expression, so even though he cares about a lot of his audience in the abstract, he recognizes that talking to them is different from "Talking to someone you care about irl", or even "Talking to someone you just met irl", both of which have different social prerogatives from the digital graffiti that is online political content.

[@CultureFiendMedia89]

@@noneyabidness Exactly. But others who suffer on the other end are "subhuman" according to Vaush

[@CultureFiendMedia89]

*Meanwhile, Vaush pops adderall*

[@CultureFiendMedia89]

@noneyabidness I don't disagree, but the way he worded it says otherwise. Now, that probably comes with the nature of live streaming, but Vaush should absolutely know better than to bark this malarkey out

[@mr.j9103]

Being angry is fine, but allowing that to hurt others is the issue.

[@boianko]

​@banquetoftheleviathan1404Yeah, no, that's stupid. Losing your composure and having a violent episode at a Nazi isn't winning you or the Left any favours other than your own personal satisfaction in the moment. Even that's gonna be soured very quickly when they decide to sue.

[@sothisisbasicallyhow4696]

You can acknowledge that someone’s behavior is a product of the material conditions of their existence while also saying that that behavior is bad and they should stop. Anger issues are no exception. I used to struggle with them a lot, and I’ve gotten better, but I would not fault a single person on earth for looking at who I used to be and saying that my behavior was abusive and wrong. it was. That’s why I worked so hard to change it. Simple as.

[@nerdysister]

my husband of 15 years has an anger disorder, he has a very difficult time controlling it and has worked at it ever since we met. he's never hit me though, but he has punched a hole through the wall more than once. therapists, medication, you name it. usually the outbursts happen quickly and he feels incredibly bad and guilty afterwards. it's gotten *better* over time, but by no means is it really under his control. This is a complicated subject. People can control things, but it's small incremental change over long periods of time.

[@MrGksarathy]

Yeah, I've also dealt with similar anger issues, and over time, what I've learned is that all I can really control is who I do or do not hurt in the process.

[@nerdysister]

@@MrGksarathy from my experience dealing with this is that I am convinced that exposure therapy is the only way forward. just avoiding triggers (like we were told to do early on) doesn't help anything. we would set up situations where he would be in a triggering state and we would just sit there silently while he would get increasingly frustrated. but we would sit and wait, sometimes only 1-2 minutes, at most we've been able 6 or 7 minutes? but I think that's the only way to actually see improvement. just sit there in a controlled environment with your trigger. build tolerance.

[@MrGksarathy]

@@nerdysister Yeah, I am in therapy for managing my recently diagnosed ADHD, and anger issues are a part of that. That being said, mine have gotten better as I've gotten older and more secure in myself and since I moved out of my parents' house. I love my parents very much, and they have been very patient and understanding, but boy did they set me off at times, and I definitely hurt them in ways I still regret.

[@owenwoodroff7418]

That's the big issue I have with Voosh here; it feels like he's assuming that once you decide to work on your problems they just stop existing, rather that is being a process that may never actually finish. I don't think he actually thinks this, but it really feels like an downplaying of how difficult it can be to shift ingrained behaviors.

[@blorkpovud1576]

Well... I mean... emotional regulation deficits ARE a thing. I just think it's a topic that needs to be approached with a little caution I guess. And also knowing where the line is between expressing anger and abuse is I guess?

[@DarthScrewtape27]

My life mantra is Anger is valid. Rage is not.

[@tartipouss]

10:22 I find the long pause before the "I hate you-" while looking straight in the camera to be absolutely hilarious

[@supershikoku]

First he came for the aces, and I said nothing, because I am not ace. Then he came for the angry people, and I said nothing, because I was too fucking angry.

[@falconeshield]

Lol I'm ace and his takes about us were odd, but just don't date us lololol

[@CEOofAutism]

@@falconeshield how were they odd

[@twisted202]

11:00 it should not have taken you eleven minutes to pull out any nuance at all. You can do better than this I believe in ya.

[@jaker721]

I've had problems with anger issues my whole life, plus it runs in my family. I've gotten a lot better at controlling it, but I'm still not where I want to be. Vaush, you've motivated me to be even better... not that I wasn't motivated before, but, y'know, thanks.

[@jarastar6499]

That’s so awesome that you’re trying to work on yourself! I’ve met so many people who don’t even bother and just hide behind the excuse of “this is just who I am” It’s really virtuous that you care enough about others to try and change yourself. You seem like a great person

[@DemonDog444]

Careful who you allow to motivate you...

[@MrGksarathy]

Same, including with the heritability, but it still hurts to hear Vaush be this indelicate in his phrasing because it basically hit at deep insecurities I still have about my ability to maintain close relationships and especially potential romantic relationships. I don't want to hurt anyone else and I still feel a lot of guilt about having hurt my parents in the past.

[@jaker721]

@@jarastar6499 Daaaaamn dude thanks!! You really made my night :D

[@emilyrainflower25]

The problem with this take is that vaush isn’t differentiating people with anger issues, people with anger issues who aren’t trying to get better, and people with anger issues who are mentally ill/dealing with an illness that is outside of their control. What happened to the empathy he had for the hotel receptionist that punched his computer and himself while he was having a melt down? Not all people with “anger issues” are bad people who are trying to intimidate others because they enjoy it. Where is the nuance? Where is the respect and empathy for people who are mentally ill? Not being able to control yourself or your emotions is not an enjoyable experience nor is it your fault if you have an untreated mental illness.

[@MsScarletwings]

This is kind of a reach when he did differentiate those categories in the video

[@littlemoth4956]

Shows you aren't paying attention. He spent SEVERAL MINUTES clarifying MULTIPLE TIMES this distinction! Good god, people, learn to listen!

[@dorarandom7870]

I have anger issues, and so does my dad. I know first-hand what it's it like to just happen to be around someone with them when they're not feeling well. That's why since young age, i made ut my mision to not become like that. It's a lot of work, you have to hold yourself accountable, but it's possible and so damn worth it.

[@CultureFiendMedia89]

100%

[@freedomofmusic2112]

Hell yeah, my experience is so incredibly similar to yours, I completely relate. It takes a lot of inner strength and humility to recognize our own flaws and work on them. Well done mate 👏 👍

[@wynoglia]

"don't be weird in my chat" No Vaush, you cannot stop me

[@romankvapil9184]

Having anger issues doesn't make a person bad. Having anger issues that controls a person to the point of abusing someone, and uses it as an excuse, is what makes a person bad.

[@OverlordAlastor]

Thats what he was saying

[@xiiiunmetal]

Don't worry guys with anger issues, I'm a Sonic the Hedgehog fan, so he definitely hates me more than you. If I can handle it, you can too.

[@Patch.of.clover]

Not a person with anger issues, just emotional issues, which I’ve used to manipulate and abuse others before. I did not see it that way until an ex told me that she thinks I was abusive and when I looked back, I saw it. That moment was an ego death for me. I stopped seeing myself like my idealized version and began perceiving myself as the flawed person that I was and am. With that came an unbridled anxiety that I am always manipulating and hurting others and not realizing it. But I’m trying to be better than who I was, and if that means dealing with anxiety to do so, so be it.

[@joshuafreeman3609]

Guy who brags about how little he cares about other people’s feelings tells you to consider other people’s feelings

[@billiecruz4399]

Me watching a murderer talk about how murder is bad while I'm committing a murder

[@phia-fu7cl]

i’m so confused cuz i thought vaush had anger issues

[@puffles5187]

My point is that I feel like a way we can all deal with anger issues is practicing communicating more concisely and just saying more of what we mean without being too mean about. It’s when people bottle up these feelings that it leads to anger, anxiety and other suppressed feelings.

[@thatgoddamnpotato]

I couldn't agree more. I remember when my ex used to victim blame on an eternally contradictory level. Every word, action, and break of attention would be considered a "betrayl". Their anger problems, even though some of it derived from both family and gender identity issues, were all projected onto me. Victimization is a toxin that affects all aspects of social, political, and interpersonal life. This pathology can be attributed to environmental circumstance, sure, but it doesn't excuse the borderline insanity that can be inherent to certain individuals, both left and right.

[@thatgoddamnpotato]

@@ImAmirus exactly, they even would outright say that they couldn't trust me, and then switch when I would try to leave ofc

[@blorkpovud1576]

Did your ex have BPD?

[@EroticInferno]

2:45 do it as an adult?????????? I didn’t get someone showing me how to not get angry, I learned. As an adult. If we can’t learn passed 18 then wtf let’s just all die by 30. I plan to keep learning and growing until the day I die or my brain dies. I refuse to sit in stagnation.

[@br9374]

Why are you angry that i'm angry cause you're mad that i'm mad when we can all be furious at Vaush for being pissed about someone being a pissy butt? Now i'm just sad.

[@echiko4932]

Seriously tho 😅

[@SpacersChoice]

vowsh says shit like this as if he doesnt regularly lash out at his viewers. like the time he told a chatter to kill themselves and then cut the YT stream.

[@jansettler4828]

That never happened? He regularly tells people to KTS and he never cuts stream. And if you think this is some sort of uncontrolled action you're delusional. Edgyness is part of his brand you baby.

[@cattibingo]

When was that again? I usually watch streams like an hour behind & can remember a couple time where stream just cut out randomly & could never figure out why because everyone would just be memeing about it

[@malditaseaintensifies-kd8ec]

Good intentions, bad execution... very bad execution. Should've used a scalpel instead of an axe.

[@TheEpicPancake]

I think the problem here is mostly phrasing. Putting it so bluntly makes it seem as if it's a universal thing regardless of how the person in question deals with it and the extent to which it effects them.

[@Bakucryptid77]

This is vaushes main flaw in the way he presents ideas. It works very well for some stuff, not shit like this

[@jacesenger8295]

One of my ex-friends that I played games with used to use his anger issues as an excuse as to why he called me God awful names whenever I even slightly messed up, put up with that shit for almost two years and I had enough of it so I left all of our discord and chats and removed and blocked him on every single platform we were added on and never talked to him again

[@bananamerchant6387]

Controlling my anger has been a long and arduous process. I've made process and i haven't had a blow up in over two years.

[@twisted202]

Undisciplined vaush moment

[@Chapman1886]

It's imperative to take ownership of your actions to have any chance of having healthy relationships with anger issues. If you take ownership of and apologize after an angry episode, I can sympathize with outbursts in the moment. If you realize that there's a biological component to people with anger issues, and there is no correlation with a violent temper and a lack of empathy, and they are just like everyone else but with heightened levels of stress hormones, leading to a feeling of a loss of control, it's easier to seperate the action from the person. If you can't control yourself to the point of emotionally or physically hurting others, then you shouldn't be in a relationship period IMO. If you have no control and have violent tendencies, then it's completely unacceptable behavior. I don't think it's fair to simply call it a character flaw, though. We're all unique in the way our bodies and minds function. The same way some people are imperturbable and can't feel much of anything, there are extreme cases that are hypersensitive and easily feel overwhelmed and have bodies that react disproportionate to the situation. It's important to recognize that every individual has their own unique circumstances that affect how they act. I'm not defending anyone that hurt others, but it's not as simple as they just deliberately treat others unfairly and with disregard. They need help, therapy and support. They are responsible for their actions, of course, but I still pity how difficult it is for them to control something that most if not all people would struggle with, if they were in their shoes.

[@usdachoicedirt]

As someone with inherent anger issues i have so much contempt for people who dont control their anger. When i was little i would hurt people and yell at people and i got in constant trouble for it until i finally learned how to keep it in check. When i see someone with absolutely zero emotional control i get extremely irritated because of the work i put into self control and because i think of the guilt i hold for the people who have been on the receiving end of my outbursts, and then i see this grown adult refusing to control themself and letting base emotions make them hurt the people around them. Common Vaush W.

[@devilsstudent3713]

As someone from a family where anger issues are really common, just seeing that someone is working on their anger issues is a huge boos to my respect for them.

[@usdachoicedirt]

@@devilsstudent3713 it's a really hard thing to do, and God knows I mess up still, but not fixing it isn't an opinion. I have a lot of respect for other people who try despite how hard it is. It's people who don't try that I cannot stand.

[@TheLeftistOwl]

I have anger issues. It's not great. I hate not being able to control how I respond to situations, but it is something I must handle in order to have healthy relationships. Even if I do blow up and lash out at people, I make it a point to apologize and do better in the future. I think Vaush is talking about people who don't ever apologize or try to be better and instead use their anger issues as an excuse.

[@emilyrainflower25]

Did he ever even say that?

[@TheLeftistOwl]

@@emilyrainflower25 yes. He said multiple times that if you're trying to better yourself, you're fine

[@MrGksarathy]

Exactly. I have hurt my parents in my anger, I feel horrible about it to this day, and I try to take steps to minimize any potential harm my anger can do.

[@emilyrainflower25]

@@TheLeftistOwlcool, and then if you can’t afford therapy and you can’t access medication, then you’re morally reprehensible? At what point does someone become non morally reprehensible? Where is the line? Since when does having a mental illness mean you’re reprehensible unless you’re able to change or get better?

[@Dave01Rhodes]

@@emilyrainflower25you’re morally reprehensible if you refuse to acknowledge the problem and won’t even try to fix it. If you’re trying to fix it, even if it’s all by yourself, even if all you can do is run out of the room so other people don’t see you explode, then you’re fine.

[@gabagoooby]

I have frustration issues, they're never directed at people but they can pollute spaces sometimes

[@Samtar]

"so people with depression are just dogs?" "NO JUST YOU." LOL

[@cattibingo]

Step on me harder vorsch

[@Samtar]

​@@cattibingo vench* but hey no, I'm on vilshes side on this one. if you interpreted what he said to such a degree that you're like "OH SO ALL DEPRESSED AND ANGRY PEOPLE ARE JUST DOGS" then yeah, you pretty dumb.

[@Olivetree80]

I am pretty biased on this subject, being that my sister and myself have been in relationships with people who have anger issues. The guy she was with did unforgivable shit and it made me want to be violent towards him myself. It put her in the cycle of abuse that she's not fully out of. My other sister also has explosive anger. Anger is natural and obviously very important to express, but people that claim they cannot control how they direct their anger, all while clearly being controlling in the process piss me off. We have all had moments of explosive anger in our lives, where we felt so out of control, that we felt the need to control what's around us, but it's extremely harmful, and when it b ecomes physical, that's where I am disgusted and unable to feel sympathetic. I know people's experiences and the way they were brought up is linked to the behavior, but it's not an excuse, especially if they hurt other people. It's like when people try to get away with something they did when they were drunk, which is often linked to explosive anger. It's bullshit, and it doesn't help the person with the problem change by rationalizing it. People who don't lack guilt and shame, being that they aren't psychopaths, yet want pity for their toxic behavior are the most frustrating of all, because they will see themselves more as the victims than those they victimized. Obviously shaming people isn't going to help them change and people need help changing, but it's still them who has to, nobody else can fix them.

[@noahleveille366]

The worst thing about Vaush is whenever he does this “word a normal concept in the absolute worst way possible” thing and then fights with the audience over whether or not they’re wrong for not getting him.

[@jansettler4828]

He doesn't word it badly at all.

[@melaniey.5596]

Forgive the man for being a streamer and not a video essayist whose every word he says in the video has been carefully curated, and I read judge ALL what he says in the video, including where he explains what he means.

[@Olivetree80]

Idk, I think he's pretty easy to understand and to misread him here seems like a personal problem

[@MsScarletwings]

So where IS the line of responsibility for charitability and listening skills from the audience then? Especially when we are talking about a literal stream of consciousness (from a creator known for a bit of hyperbole) and not some scripted piece. To me it seems like he’s explained himself fine and normal for someone who is partially venting about the topic.

[@delos2279]

I don't think he should have engaged with the parasocials in his audience in the first place but it did make a decent segment.

[@JimmyH91]

voosh good more often than voosh bad, but the hypocrisy and egotism is off the charts in this clip, lort

[@SatanicManic666]

I like the "go to therapy bro" people only of it was affordable America has terrible mental health care

[@MsScarletwings]

It’s less “go to therapy bro” and a lot more “take personal accountability/responsibility for your actions when they are abusive to other people”

[@bajes328]

I feel like Vaush was trying as hard as he imaginably could to focus on the things he ended up saying toward the end of the video but the whole video before that part was Vaush Tokyo Drifting and missing those notes.

[@delos2279]

Probably because it wasn't a planned segment. Some parasocial chatters took it personally and got mad about the comment that he hates people with anger issues, in reference to Crowder's anger issues.

[@Gorgovoid173]

I have anger issues. But I don't wear it like a personality. It's not. It's a curse, if anything. It's the complete opposite of my usual nature. If this was "just the way I was" and I couldn't help it and hold myself back? Living things around me would be dead... I'm not kidding... Giving myself excuses, would be the worst thing I could do.

[@bibsp3556]

We gotta deal with our own shit. No matter what it is.

[@billiecruz4399]

Thanks joker pfp, I can always count on you for level headed commentary.

[@bibsp3556]

@Billie Cruz rational joker moments brought to you by Weed(tm) Seriously though, sorting your anger and other things out is best for everyone.

[@galacticpigeon2985]

I love and hate that this became a segment lmfao. I will say Vaush is slightly wrong here though. Like I have anger issues but know when to dip before I get angry. Even though I have the self control to get away from a situation, I still do have anger issues. If I didnt, I wouldnt need to get out. The issue is more the action, rather than the source of the action. He is kinda saying this but also not really.

[@MalachioftheForest]

i don't think this segment is about you then, you are showing self-control. he's talking about people who don't bother to regulate their emotions and think that everyone should just accept it because "that's just how quirky i am uwu"

[@jarjarwinks7034]

Exactly, it's not what he's saying, it's how he's saying it. If he clarified that he didn't like ABUSIVE people with anger issues, he never would have had to go back and revise what he said. "I hate people with anger issues" is just not clear enough. You can't expect people to know exactly what you mean when you say that.

[@rlisu11]

But he's saying exactly that. You do have anger issues, hell we pretty much all do from time. But you have enough self control to fuck off once your blood starts boiling. Or others know to count to 10 or some other coping mechanism. I have terrible road rage. Thankfully I moved out of NYC and now it's gone. But it begins and ends with me cursing out some bad drivers and nothing more. And 30 seconds later I am fine. I now live in a smallish tourist trap of a town and maybe cursed out 2 people in 18 months. While in NY it was an average of 2 people per trip. But again. I call them names for 5 seconds and am done with it. Because even in my agitated state I do possess enough self control to not make it a big issue or take out my anger on someone I care about. Vaush's point of view is pretty spot on. I grew up with alcoholics. And their shitty excuses were always oh booze made me beat your mother or call your grandmother a whore. No asshole, booze just loosened your inhibitions. You are always a prick, but sober you know how to control it. And that is what made them tolerable when they were sober.

[@galacticpigeon2985]

@@MalachioftheForest That is what he is trying to say, but that isnt really what he is saying. He is for the most part painting every single person with the same brush.

[@MalachioftheForest]

@@galacticpigeon2985 i agree to an extent, but i think there's some context missing because he went over the anger issue thing like 3 times in the live stream. his not wanting to be around someone who lacks self regulation with their anger is the same as not wanting to be around someone with depression who uses you as a therapist. your emotions are your problem to control. he's right, he's well within his right to not like being around people who anger easily. I have friends who get salty at the drop of a hat, and then the atmosphere is tense and uncomfortable until they get over it. that's on them to control, not on the rest of us to put up with. and i'm saying this as someone with anger issues.

[@SatanicManic666]

Why would anybody like anybody with any personally flaw you must emotionally perfect to be my friend

[@TheAverageCthulhu]

I dont wanna hear "get self control" from the guy who literally has zero self control

[@SpencerCJ]

People forget that "anger issues" and emotional dysregulation are not the same thing, you being unable to control how you feel when someone disagrees with you is not an excuse to act like a cock, it's a reason to improve yourself.

[@endlesssorrowfb700]

Vaush has this problem where he says an extremely generalized, indefensable statement like "poeple with anger issues are subhuman" and when pressed retreats to a more defensable position like "anger issues are not a positive quality and you should be working on it if you have them". This is literally the mont and baily. Even so, i do believe hes technically correct in everything he says, but his willful callousness and spite towards the subject prevents him from being able to say the initially correct thing. Ironically enough, if vaush had more self control, chat wouldnt have been so upset with the technically correct take. Btw, im not saying vaush shouldnt say the initial comment, only if he backed it up with the fact he just dislikes poeple who posess anger issues, turning the statement into a subjective opinion.

[@quisquiliarum7710]

all this culminated in the amazing sentence: "when I say people are subhuman I'm not saying they're intrinsically less than us"

[@TopKek-in7mn]

Vaush has obnoxious anger issues he tries to hide by quickly shifting back to a calm agreeable demeanor after having an outburst and insulting people for pretty innocuous mistakes. I like Vaush, but the main flaw I see in him is his anger. This is just kind of a silly.

[@billiecruz4399]

I love how there's two types of comments for this video, people with anger issues agreeinging with vaush and acknowledging that their struggles didn't give them the right to abuse people. And people who are screaming at the tippy top of their lungs that it is him that is actually mad.

[@MyceliumNebula]

As a person with anger issues, I find it extremely hard to understand where Vaush is coming from when he said that 5 Guys is his second favorite fast food restaurant.

[@Empathetik]

Ian, I think the approach you've given here sounds very counterproductive. You're not going to fix a person's anger issues by telling them you hate them.

[@Ailun__]

Yeah, this is framed in an insanely counterproductive manner and only serves to alienate people trying to change, even if that wasn’t the intention. It doesn’t help that he’s being obnoxiously angry here himself. There are certainly bits that he’s right on, but this is overall just... not it.

[@olivergregory5093]

I mean his anger is contextually appropriate, he's an entertainer/performer. The problem isn't *anger* it's when you get so angry you fly off the handle and express that anger in inappropriate ways. You wouldn't say "you're a porn star and you get horny so you can't judge me for sexually assaulting someone" those are three different things, they're not equivalent.

[@billiecruz4399]

Yo Aaron where's this energy when he's talking about conservatives? I'm not seeing any of your comments on his debates talking about how he's being too mean and he'll never convince people with that kind of rhetoric.

[@Mahan1372]

While I understand and fully support empathy on a macro level for people with mental illness (I personally want to be a therapist myself and have always wanted to create a safe space for people to be vulnerable), I completely agree that it is not healthy to excuse bad behaviour due to mental illness. I’ve been in toxic relationships where the other person has tried to guilt trip me into thinking that I shouldn’t get mad at a bad behaviour of theirs simply because it was due to their mental health issue, and I’m sure in the past I probably have blamed my own bad behaviour on my depression or anxiety as well. Once you become aware of your mental illness, it is your responsibility to seek out the help that you need, and not just try to play the mental health card whenever you act shitty toward someone. That’s super manipulative in my opinion. Again, on a broad scale and systemically, I advocate for the availability of care for people who want to seek support, but when it comes to interpersonal relationships, I would never expect someone to excuse my shitty behaviour because of my depression. I have to learn the tools to manage my illness and effectively communicate with the people around me.

[@drjustin84]

You seemed pretty angry here ngl

[@billiecruz4399]

I love how there's two types of comments for this video people with anger issues agreeinging with vaush and acknowledging that their struggles didn't give them the right to abuse people. And people who are screaming at that it is him that is actually mad.

[@drjustin84]

@@billiecruz4399 He just seemed kinda mad

[@cattibingo]

​@@billiecruz4399 must copy paste this same reply in all comments!

[@gr8z0mbiejesus]

So, on the one hand, using "i have anger issues" to excuse your behavior without change is clearly bad. But just dismissing abnormal brain chemistry in THIS AND ONLY THIS instance is fuckin wild

[@UrobourosZero]

I used to have anger issues and while self-improvement is a never-ending process, it’s incredibly funny to see chat get called out for having no self control, and their response is a complete lack of self control lmao It’s almost like you’re proving his point in your defiance of proving his point.

[@hostomelhorsehoarder]

what does obnoxious anger issues mean opposed to normal anger issues

[@namixless9732]

personally id say the difference is if someone is making excuses for it or tries to weaponize it for sympathy to keep doing bad behavior

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Don't make it someone else's problem.

[@hostomelhorsehoarder]

@@namixless9732 I see

[@hostomelhorsehoarder]

@@zacheryeckard3051 huh

[@revelaitons3959]

If you're in Vaush's chat

[@mistared4021]

I think it's important for people who might have anger issues to also check if they actually have the issue or (like in my case) if they have a person in their lives that presses ALL their buttons. Turns out when you have a temper ONLY around a single person it's not your all fault.

[@jambott5520]

Or (as in my case) I was on the edge of an autistic meltdown for a solid 8 years and because of that was on a hair trigger.

[@witeshade]

Anger issues, and people who need to vent all the time. Most people who vent all the time are actually just finding things to get mad about in every situation, and are never happy and suck to be around.

[@R_AM02]

I dealt with a lot of rage when I was younger. I dealt with a lot of harassment and grooming, and I just bottled it up and I never dealt with any of it. it got to the point where I would blow up at people on a dime because I was just hurting. I ended up really scaring my mom and little sister, I think it was the first time my lil sis had really heard me yell, I scared her so badly that she ran out the house and hide under one of our cars. I did bad things because of it. I spent years working on it and trying to get better. that rage never really goes away, but now I know how to put it towards things that are productive. it never goes away, but you need to put in the work to improve, it can't be an excuse for bad behavior

[@unknownunknown3086]

I have anger issues, I have learned to project my anger into drawing and roleplaying out situations alone in my room after years dealing with it, if you are given the tools to handle that anger without hurting others but do nothing to utilize them, then others should be free to critique how you express your anger. There are so many ways of dealing with anger without lashing out on others, people who defend their use of anger against others as who they are and gaslight others by stating that to attack their mental condition is an attack to all can't possibly form relationships.

[@williammullinax6130]

Its ok to have anger issues, but it's not okay to let those issues effect those around you. Deal with that shit.

[@cageybee7221]

i've grown up with asperger's syndrome, so being quick to anger has been a life-long problem. i've gotten good at recognising when i'm about to go over the edge and leaving the situation as quickly as possible, that's really the biggest solution to anger issues: get away from the thing that's pissing you off.

[@quisquiliarum7710]

"when I say people are subhuman I'm not saying they're intrinsically less than us"

[@JourneyLT]

I don't think the language of being "subhuman" helps at all here. When you say someone is "subhuman" you are communicating to most people an idea that they're intrinsically worth less than other people. Reasoning with you in a rule utilitarian way for a second, the rule being the concept of someone being "subhuman" is harmful and perpetuates harmful forms of hierarchy between people. Thus it follows we should not consider people by a rank of "humanness" Everyone is as human as everyone else. Don't even give them an inch when it comes to creating classifications of humans.

[@quisquiliarum7710]

"when I say people are subhuman I'm not saying they're intrinsically less than us" in Vaush's own words

[@jamesgallagher4304]

This is an example of Vaush picking a fight with chat due to a lack of self control from recent truama

[@billiecruz4399]

What a scumfuck thing to say, that is unironically as subhuman comment. I am actually shocked how abusive you have managed to show yourself to be with that single sentence. You need to work on yourself and get way less parasocial

[@ThatVeganWhiteRose]

As someone who has grown up surrounded by people with anger issues, I really appreciate Vaush’s take. Too often do I see something to the effect of “But think about all that the person has gone through to get to that stage”. What about me, the person they are taking their rage out on? How is that fair? We may not be able to control our impulsive thoughts or initial takes on things, but we can learn to control how we act. Abusers take queues from people who let their behavior slide; please don’t enable them further.

[@ellagage1256]

Your trauma is not an excuse to judge someone you don't even know. Please realize at least how harmful it is to have people assume you're a monster until proven otherwise

[@VannahSavage]

I lived with a partner with severe anger issues for five years, and he could have killed or severely disabled me on more than one occasion. The worst part was that he was aware of his problem, and would beg for sympathy for his lack of self control because he came from an abusive household. Funny thing is, I did too. But he used his former abuse as an excuse for his actions, whereas I internalized mine as something I deserved and had to tolerate in order to help _him_ get better. I realize, in retrospect, that I'm probably lucky to have gotten out of that relationship alive.

[@codisha2970]

I have anger issues and am in therapy. I agree with Vaush 100%. I’ve had to deal with an insanely abusive parent with anger issues. They are subhuman animals who are too stupid to regulate themselves. It makes me feel good that I’m capable of actually understanding that I’m fucked up and need help rather than just wallowing in it for all time like some do.

[@evan6338]

I had a lot more anger issues before I had regular access to marijuana.

[@BadassRaiden]

Okay there needs to be a distinction between "anger issues" and what is called an "emotional regulation disorder." Now an emotional regulation disorder facilitates more than just an inability - and it is a literal inability outside your control - to regulate emotion, which includes anger. Most of these disorders cannot be treated with medication, because medications treat chemical imbalances in the brain, and these disorders have to do with our internal experience of the sensations of these emotions, not chemical imbalances. Really the only kinds of treatment that have any success with these disorders is CBT. As someone who has a severe emotion regulatory disorder, even CBT doesn't really work. However, I am not someone who outbursts at people. I have so far been able to direct my anger towards individuals in a healthy way. My anger usually gets bad during specific situations and happenstance. It's one thing to hold people accountable for their actions, and to scold them when they don't make the effort to be better people. However, when Vaush engages in this kind of "tough love" we'll call it, his attitude often feels incredibly un-empathetic and indifferent as opposed to being compassionate. There is a difference between being empathetic and being sympathetic and i feel like in these situations, Vaush necessarily refuses sympathy as it is undeserved, but at the same time fails to be empathetic, which is something we should all strive to be in literally every situation. Sometimes it just really feels like he's acting like a dick, just to act like a dick.

[@cheeseofglass]

I used to have anger issues but I don't play League of Legends anymore.

[@JARV9701]

This is the same discussion from weeks ago about the self improvement, where chat was mad at Vaush for telling them to better themselves.

[@tloks8737]

no they're mad at him for saying "you are bad people who do not change" he's stoking the fire on purpose, like he does literally all the time. except this time its so generalized that obviously people will tell him thats a dickheaded take

[@martinbures881]

This take is mostly correct but the lack of nuance isn't doing any favours. What separates someone with anger issues from a fascist is that they recognise its an issue and are working to change it, whereas fascists do not feel guilty for being fascists.

[@DerNiko]

If you make fun of other people all the time but lose your s*** when somebody makes fun of you, you have serious issues.

[@CaH6633]

Vaush is right. I used to have really bad anger issues when i was a teenager, probably a lot of teens have this and outgrow it but it got me into a lot of fucking trouble with....everyone. I lost friends over this shit. I used to throw my game controllers and break them when I got my ass kicked hard enough at a game a couple times which I'm really glad I don't do anymore because that shit is a waste of money. I put holes in my drywall. I got into fights. I never got arrested but I definitely got in trouble with the cops over this shit when I for example was like screaming at some old lady for like.... Nothing....she like made some weird comment about the way I looked and I flipped her trash cans over(like the outside trash when it's trash day) and called her a bitch and she(of course) called the fucking cops. I'm pretty lucky I didn't end up like that as an adult. These are traits that are completely unacceptable for anyone to have. If you get help or want to change that's great but if you do that shit forever you are a bad person.... I'm sorry, but you are. No this wasn't "entirely" my fault I did come from a shitty upbringing and I got abused by my stepdad and I took that out on people I thought were wronging me. In my head I wasn't doing anything wrong and I was also.... taught...this behavior because it's what all the men in my life were doing but it's still stuff that you cannot do. Excuses only get you so far after enough bullshit. And "having an anger problem" like the one I had isn't the same as just being angry sometimes which everyone does. We all have a bad day at work and think about telling the boss to go fuck himself and grit our teeth and have a shit day but when you cross the line into actually telling your boss to fuck himself and getting yourself in trouble all the time because you can't keep it in check....you....are....an asshole. You don't HAVE to be like this. There's therapy, there's treatment, and even if you can't afford that shit you can admit you have a problem and find something that centers you so you're not being an intolerable shit to all of the people around you. If I were still behaving like I did 15 years ago I wouldn't be able to live my life. Straight up I know people who because of this, can't live their life properly. They're always getting into little fights and getting arrested and can't keep a job and I do feel bad for them but....I sure as fuck don't like being around them, it makes me uncomfortable, nervous, scared, and it reminds me of every stupid fucking idiotic thing I ever did when I was kinda like that. TL;DR anger problem bad.

[@duhasstmich230]

Vaush despises people with lack of self control then claims to have no filter. Wich is a lack of self control. :) much love.

[@TopKek-in7mn]

Seriously, it is from a place of love. Like it's painful to see you do this Vaush

[@kirabarnes657]

I have less bad anger issues than I used to, and the way I see it, I don't see an enormous problem with getting mad or being mad, but when it turns into destructive behavior, that's a... I'd call it a set of behaviors that few, if any, people find likable, and is one that can be worked on. I don't see destructive anger behaviors as "subhuman," but still, like I said, unlikable and uncomfortable to be around, and can be worked on (mostly) no matter the origin of the behavior. I generally regard thought as less important than action, so anger the emotion isn't as big a problem as angrily lashing out, and personal sympathy for whatever Personal Traumatic Circumstance made someone the way they are isn't nearly as important as a general prosocial sympathy for the way circumstances affect people and support for their improvement, regardless of any personal like or dislike. When someone doesn't know where to start or doesn't have the tools to figure out how to improve their self control, I find it more pitiable than shameful, but it's still absolutely not a reason someone should *have* to continue being in that person's company and dealing with those issues, especially if it's to their own detriment.

[@josiemgay7247]

Anger issues typically come from trauma, they require clinical help as much as depression and anxiety

[@baileybeast]

Vaush mad at the people who get mad. Pot meet kettle.

[@cattibingo]

This is beyond pot calling kettle black. This is like pot screeching the n-word at kettle

[@echiko4932]

And they're mad at him for being mad at them being mad. Weird ping pong.

[@billiecruz4399]

there's two types of comments for this video, people with anger issues agreeinging with vaush and acknowledging that their struggles didn't give them the right to abuse people. And people who are screaming that it is him that is actually mad.

[@baileybeast]

I'm not mad, vaush and apparently all of you are.

[@baileybeast]

@@billiecruz4399 false dichotomy, vaush wrongly asserted that people who have anger issues want those issues to be an excuse for their behavior, people with anger issues are usually the first to apologize and realize their harmful behaviors are their own and only they can fix them. Which of course can be done in seconds if you simply decide to become calm 😎. You can explain your actions truthfully without excusing your actions or escaping accountability. Yes vaush and I agree, everyone is responsible for their own actions. The remaining 15 minutes of this unhinged rant is nothing but a willful display of a lack of empathy and understanding charged with hyperbolic language.

[@emilyrainflower25]

I just don’t understand why you would call someone morally reprehensible if they LITERALLY can’t control their emotions. You can choose to not speak to them and not be around them, but hating them? How does that make any sense at all? Somebody who punches a wall isn’t always doing it to intimidate, sometimes it’s either the wall or their own head.

[@johnfootp]

Vaush being Vaush as usual.

[@MrGksarathy]

Or your face. Sometimes, diverting anger is the only way to deal with it.

[@emilyrainflower25]

@@MrGksarathyyes, I agree. I don’t think someone is a bad person simply because they have emotions that they are physically and mentally incapable of controlling.

[@Olivetree80]

People can control their emotions, they might struggle to, but unless you're intellectually unable to understand how your emotions impact others, you're responsible for them. Obviously people with anger issues have reason behind it, but that's not an excuse for the behavior.

[@MrGksarathy]

@@Olivetree80 You can control how you react to your emotions, but not feeling them, especially if the anger comes in sudden bursts.

[@road_chad3669]

*Nazi exists* Vaush: "Ah let me debate and de radicalize you" *Person with anger issues exist* Vaush: *Lowtiergod stare*

[@ofanichan]

I totally get why you dont like people woth anger issues. As someone who struggled with anger issues in the past. I’ve even cut people put because of my own anger issues multiple times. It’s not something I’m proud of. My problem with the take was more that it seemed like you thought that people with anger issues were inheritly violent. And that’s not true at all.

[@darm9020]

Chatters unable to accept Vaush is a human being that dislikes stuff be like:

[@biske85]

I have anger issues, but in the sense that I can't control myself when I'm actually angry and I'll even fuck myself over as long as it damages the person I'm angry at. Once I calm down, I regret everything, so I've just avoided getting angry like the plague because the last time, I almost strangled a dude to death. Of course, now I have a different but related issue where I've become super avoidant, and the thought of getting angry gives me severe anxiety. I haven't been properly angry at someone since my early 20's, so it's been well over 15 years. Everyone thinks I'm just the chillest dude that doesn't let anything bother him, and on the inside, I'm terrified that in one bad day I'll fucking kill someone.

[@melaniey.5596]

Well damn, your situation is one very terrible to be at. Thanks for sharing this with us. And if this means something, I’m thankful for the effort you have taken to manage your anger for your sake and the sake of those around you. \(^_^)/

[@austindrinksfanta]

This is such a bad take lol

[@austindrinksfanta]

Just dont get angry 🤪

[@austindrinksfanta]

Oh god it just gets worse holy fuck

[@austindrinksfanta]

​@@diegoisgood your attempt at being snarky has failed lmao. i don't care about the take personally affecting me, i only care when he's wrong. he's been wrong on things that don't affect me at all. nice cope though

[@austindrinksfanta]

@@diegoisgood you don't know my story, nor my loved ones, so don't speak on them. you're literally making the same arguments that conservatives made about queer people lmao. keep coping

[@Olivetree80]

Are you actually serious? Is that what he said? Vaush gets angry all the time, he is talking about people who have severe anger issues, unleashing on other people, often incongruent to what they are reacting to, all while claiming they have no control over that anger or the behavior that comes with it.

[@ogedeh]

Some days I'm fine and others I don't even wanna be looked at, much less talked to. But this is why I live alone and don't talk to anyone, even on days I'm feeling alright. Bc then they'll try to talk to me on a day when I'm off and I have to deal with that

[@twisted202]

Aight you have some nuance here vaush but ffs don't act like the live streams rhetoric wasn't careful. You don't have to theythemThussy-foot around the issue, we aren't asking you to. Nobody was defending abuse, I was there in chat. 5:28 Flying spaghetti monster forbid you don't default to hyperbolic sarcasm and strawmanning chat at times. YOUR STREAM. You control the narrative.

[@FearlessLeader2001]

This is Vaush take is not as nuanced as it needs to be. There are bad people with anger issues. There are also very good people with anger issues who are genuinely trying their best to get better and do very good at controlling their actions with anger.

[@MsScarletwings]

I’m pretty sure he literally included that nuance in this video

[@austindrinksfanta]

​@@MsScarletwings No he's flat out using abuser and anger issues interchangeably lmao

[@jansettler4828]

​@@austindrinksfanta Go to therapy

[@austindrinksfanta]

@@jansettler4828 Nah I'm good, but thanks anyways Matt Walsh

[@jansettler4828]

@@austindrinksfanta Shshsh it's OK, you can change. Just admit you are quick to blame your personality deficiencies on others, that's the start to self-improvement.