Criteria for Messiah - Moshiach, Chabad Rebbe Moshiach

The Traditional aspect of qualifications of who is eligible to be Moshiach / Messiah according to RAMBAM (1135-1204 C.E.) Yehudah Menasheh Goldstein speaks to a Christian audience of who qualifies to be Messiah according to the Jewish religion. Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson King Messiah.

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@Jacob2Israel The video ended at that point because the one shooting the film thought that she had to constantly hold her finger on the button of the digital camera (rather than pressing it once and it just keeps recording). And her finger got tired over and over again. So what the man said that there was a problem about was that on the back of the card that I passed to everyone it listed the 7 Laws of Noah and at the bottom it said "We can do it!" - a take from US Pres. Obama. That confused him

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@spamllpitdept do you know of anyone who worships the Rebbe? I would like to know if you know of anyone like that?

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which paragraph are you referring to?

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The back and forth commentary has been scrambled and it does not flow chronologically.

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@andrinjo The Christian calendar was introduced as I find here in wikipedia. Also, please type "Rambam" into your search engine and click the Chabad.org website. The Hebrew calendar also has a history. The Sages have instituted how to calculate the Hebrew dates, depending on the lunar cycle, as well as the solar cycle. I suggest that you use wikipedia to continue to seek your knowledge. Also askmoses.com and asknoah.com.

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@imhungry53 In a talk on Parshat Shoftim 5751 the Rebbe answers your retort. He will fix ya if you let him. He said in that speech that all of the Chabad Rebbeim have been the Moshe Rabbeinu of the generation, the Nasi of the generation, the Navi of the Generation, and the Moshiach of the generation. He said that this pattern continued all the way to himself. And he said it as a prophecy.

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Neither did Daniel nor Moshe Rabbeinu, nor any one else. But that does not disqualify him from being the Moshiach. He still is eligible.

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@Mrgyn The Temple. The Beit HaMikdash is the 770 - Beit Moshiach.

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@Mrgyn Who told you that? If you look at what you are quoting, you should realize that the RAMBAM writes not if he DIES, but if he is KILLED. The difference is that even though the Rebbe passed into "the world of EMET" he was not killed and therefore not exempted, or ineligible, to be Moshiach.

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@spamllpitdept unfortunately, the one who was operating the camera didn't know how to use the camera properly, and thought that they needed to keeping holding the button down while recording. Therefore, the video got all cut up into small bits. The man's words were along the lines of what he read on the card that I gave him. There appears the words: "We can do it!" He questioned what that had to do with anything.

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@iorixs The Oral Law includes the Mishna/Gemara, that stuff, in the Torah it says that Moses passed down the oral law, orally, to Joshua as well as the elders (wise leaders in the tribes), and so it was passed down from generation to generation (hence David, as a leader, would have likely be learned in it), until the rabbi's started compiling the oral law in the Mishna.

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@Mrgyn If you will go to your local Chabad House and ask there the Rabbi will be able to show you from all the Torah sources

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@iorixs That's right, the Talmud came many centuries after King David. The Talmud is the Rabbis' discussions on various happenings in history and the results on how the mitzvot are properly observed in certain situations. For example, we have to keep the Sabbath holy and not profane it. Well, the question comes about: what if a woman is pregnant and giving birth? are we allowed bend or break the rules for her and her baby's sake?? The answer will be yes in certain situations.

[@50crol]

When rebbe will go to resuscitate? and where?

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@Mrgyn ust because you do not see the Temple does not mean that the Rebbe is not Moshiach. The Rebbe said that when the RAMBAM states that "He [MOSHIACH] must build the Temple in "bimkomo" in its place can also be interpreted in "his" place. Tthe Rebbe is saying that when he built the 770 [he did renovations and add-ons to an existing building], and he laid the cornerstone to the building, he likens the work to building the residence of Shechina that was going out from his mouth by teaching Tora

[@Jacob2Israel]

@BetGimel where is ephraim?

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@zafirjoez18 I don't know what is ispasht..... But the Rebb himself said that each generation has a Moshe Rabbeinu- the head of the Jewish people. In our generation it is the Rebbe.

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you can't see G-d, so how do you know that he exists? also the Rebbe, just because you don't know enough about him doesn't make you a specialist.

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@50crol It is unclear what you mean.

[@zogyechi]

on behalf of sanity IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE REBBES KING MOSHIACH STATUS PLEASE LEARN AND KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT! OTHERWISE ASK!!!!! (DONT QOUTE TRASH!)

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The job of Moshiach is not yet finished. And both opinions are true. But I don't know that it says that Moshiach must die like everyone else. The train from Flatbush is going to Manhattan. The train is somewhere in the middle of its journey.

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@YesImOneOFMany A Jew is one who is born of a Jewish mother, or one who has converted according to Jewish law that existed throughout Jewish history. No one else is a Jew.

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@zafirjoez18 Do I have to care if anyone disagrees with the Rebbe?

[@Jacob2Israel]

@BetGimel Too bad, I was hoping for a juicy debate on this topic. ;-)

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I wrote not when a Rasha passes away, I wrote when a tzaddik passes away. Yeshua was no tzaddik, therefore, we do not expect him to be available to us after his passing. Nor is he eligible to being Moshiach because he is also not a paternal descendant of King David.

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@imhungry53 Yes there will be animal sacrifices - Rambam, Sefer Shoftim, Hilchot Melachim U'Milchamoseihem, Ch. 11, Halacha 1.

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@yudimandel Are you aware of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai? He wrote the Zohar HaKodesh. In it he writes that when a tzaddik passes away (to the World of Truth) he is to be found more in all the worlds than during his lifetime. Google that!

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@zafirjoez18 The derech haBESHT is to spread and strengthen Torah and mitzvot. This is also the Rebbe's purpose.

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@Mrgyn So if my rabbis and Mashpiiam believe in it and teach me that it's true and they have met the Rebbe personally, and learned his lessons, do you think that the Rebbe would mislead them? Do you think that the Rebbe would mislead us all? Don't you think that the Rebbe would make his Roshei Yeshiva to be wiser and have actually truth to tell, or would he lead others to be foolish, ignorant and stupid and blind and wrong? The Rebbe is true and his chassidim are true, and we must understand it.

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@zafirjoez18 In essence the idea of the gospel was to save people from eternal damnation. But that's a Christian idea to burn in hell, etc. Over here, whenever someone does an act contrary to G-d's holy Torah, there is a penalty or lack of reward. The idea of bringing people back to Torah and miztvah performance is a type of redemption. A personal salvation from going astray from G-d and our mitzvot. What would I rather do, sin or a righteous mitzvah? Of course a mitzvah. This is the Rebbe's

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ליל פורים, עדכון הסנהדרין דיון עם כבוד נח מר דוד באטס אמר כבוד הרב יוסף אדרי מרמת הגולן ישראל. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnuainhmdp2jd6M

[@YT-qs2hu]

Jesus will fulfill all things in His second coming. And only the christian will be saved.

[@joshuasolomonov8588]

Y T GD told the Jews that when he will send us to exile the 2nd time. To be very careful not to worship the Gd of the stone( by the Muslims in Mecca) and the Gd of the wood (Christian idolatry). Right after he says that you should keep the Shabbat for all eternity. So no thank you

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Jesus himself said that if any person changes a letter or a single vowel in the Torah that person won’t be allowed into the gates of heaven.

[@nurhijrah1]

alla people must know that messiach will bring peace and the word that represent thats all is love...just it!

[@yudimandel]

But if the Rebbe is dead, how can he fulfill these criteria that the Rambam points out?

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Yudi Mandel The Gemara says Moshiah could be one from the dead. Many tzadikim now and Chachim who have passed agreed with this idea(that it is a possibility)

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@@JoaoHenriqueMartinelliDaSilva the Gemara says something about Moshiah being from the line of Daniel. Which then infers he is to come from the ground. Gemara is very complicated so I could be mistaken

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@@JoaoHenriqueMartinelliDaSilva agreed but the Torah always leaves room for Moshiah to come from line of Yosef, or line of Daniel (meaning if so then he would be from the ground) but yes most likely from line of David.

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@@JoaoHenriqueMartinelliDaSilva btw the rebbe was from line of David

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@@JoaoHenriqueMartinelliDaSilva type shit

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Spread and strengthen the true religion and follow the directives of Chabad. As to your 2nd. q. this is not some new gospel (Ch V'Sh.). Messiah is a Jewish concept, and 1 of RAMBAM's 13 principles of faith. The awareness of Messiah has been around since before Ya'acov Avinu tried to speak about him to his 12 sons, but the Shechinah prevented him from telling about it. Ask your rabbi, if you have one.

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@YesImOneOFMany Well, it has to do with a lot of relish and mustard on your hotdog. Cave men from Australia also have the same phobia. We here in the back know how to enjoy a real party. I have no idea where I put my car. What's more is that there is no end of the line. But if you were me and I were you, I would pull my head out of my ass. But that's a whole other story. When the wind blows and the kids are playing in the park who gets the last laugh? I would not want to be around when that goes

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@Mrgyn No actually the Rebbe made explicit statements to this effect. You can read them yourself in any Chabad House in the books called Dvar Malchut - Words of the King. The sicha is called Beis Rabbeinu Shebebavel.

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Yehuda, nice of you to point out some of the Rambam's articles to be the Moshiach. If you look a little deeper you will see the Rambam also said the Moshiach will have sons who will carry the leadership after the Moshiach passes away. Please stop worshipping the Rebbe, its not what he wanted.

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Each generation has a potential Moshiach. The final one doesn't need any successor.

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@50crol Not everything that ever happened or ever was/is true was written in the TANAK, nor could everything be written there. When we have a son hearing from a father who heard from his father ...... this is called the oral Torah, and is equally as valuable.

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@Bubi25 Hi Bubi. We know that yoshkele is not and cannot be Messiah because instead of fulfilling the directive of the RAMBAM of teaching Torah and Mitzvot and leading all Jews to stronger Torah observance, he did precisely the opposite. L'havdil, the Rebbe MH"M leads people back to the Torah and Mitzvot. and accomplishes this point of the RAMBAM.

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@andrinjo Because the Rambam lived in the years 1135-1204. The Talmud is a collection of what sages taught and said. These lessons were learned by word of mouth from teacher to student over thousands of years. When the Temple was destroyed and the Jews were exiled from our land to all parts of the world, the leaders of the Jewish people realized a big problem: that the sayings and lessons could be forgotten. So, they started to write them down to keep them.

[@davidmehnert6206]

I recommend you read Maimonides a little more carefully.

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Make your point! I have no awareness of what you imply.

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There are not thousands who fit the bill. Look at the criteria, ALL the criteria, and see if anyone else fits more than him. AND they DID come to pass. We know that the Rebbe is the one we are have been waiting for. Now it's up to us to carry out what he told us to do about it.

[@Jacob2Israel]

what? i wanted to hear the problem! ay ya yai! nu shto eto za shootki? nadayeli!

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I was asked directly about Moshiach after I had presented the 7 Laws of Noah. So I told them these criteria of RaMBAM to show them that Yoshke could not be the one.

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@Jacob2Israel go ahead

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@YesImOneOFMany Well, I don't know who is feeding you this information. You make declarative statements about who I am, what language I speak, where I come from, where I live, etc, and you don't even know anything at all about me. Nor do you know what you are talking about. Why do you hate Jews so much?

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I made a mistake by stating that the Leader our generation was the RAMBAM. The RAMBAM was the leader of HIS generation (1135-1294 CE). The actual leader of our generation is the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

[@adamcowan7018]

First criterion: messiah is actually alive

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Souls live in Heaven, the world of truth.

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@@BetGimel so no one is dead then? Everyone is alive?

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@@adamcowan7018 there is a difference between tzaddikim, whose lives are in the first place consisting of faith in G-d, love of G-d, and fear of G-d. They have no evil inclination. They live on. Their souls are inseparable from G-d and they still hear and see in the world of truth after their passing. RABBI Shimon Bar Yochai in his Zohar writes about them that when they pass they are more available in all worlds than during their lifetime.

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Is only moshiach on that level or are other tzaddikim also?

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@@adamcowan7018 tzaddikim, the righteous are on that level. Moshiach is on a higher level.

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Your questions are better directed to a Rosh Yeshiva, say Ramat Aviv, or Tsfat. I suggest Rabbi Yossi Ginsburgh, or Rabbi Notik in Torat Emet Jerusalem. Just because I don't have all the answers doesn't mean that you have the right to embarrass or insult me. You're showing what poor character you have. And I know what brocha to make on radishes. It's hamotzei lechem min haaretz.. Any further insults and you will be blocked.

[@50crol]

This evidence must be in TANACH, if not, all is false.

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@Mrgyn Maybe if you clear your mind from the drugs you will be able to think more clearly without the biases. Weed is the biggest temptation to get men NOT TO STUDY AND USE THEIR HEADS PROPERLY.

[@50crol]

Morally, yes, but the evidence is only in TANACH, out of TANACH is cheap philosophy. Or believe in ELOHIM or not. Men could be speaking around but Proverbs 14:12 said:There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

[@shrivishnuthavaraja7227]

GOD PROMISE I AM THE TRUE MESSIAH...GOD REVEAL ME...DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS AS MESSIAH....I WILL CONQUER AND RULE THE WORLD IN FEW YEARS....WAIT FOR ME JEWISH PEOPLE.....

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@YesImOneOFMany First of all you don't seem to know much of anything at all. Second, if I were to tell you the truth, you would obviously not receive it.

[@421sap]

משיח

[@ChaserTree]

EXACTLY SO THE REBBE AS GREAT AS HE WAS WAS NOT THE MASHIACH THE TEMPLE IS NOT REBUILT THERE IS EXILE SICKNESS DEATH ENOUGH WITH THESE MASHICHISTS NEW XIANS

[@joshuasolomonov8588]

ChaserTree The Gemara says Moshiah could be one from the dead. The Gemara also says one of the names of Moshiah is Menachem. I’m not a meshachist, but that’s not how you disprove it. You should know Torah before you comment so blatantly.