Open Bar #72 - The Marvels Review, Hunger Games, Actors Strike Ends

Well, The Marvels is finally upon us. Join me, Chris Gore, Tyrone Magnus, Geeks+Gamers and MauLer as we share our thoughts.

[@JREHangzhou]

As soon as Mauler said “she is trying to steal the air” all I could think of is Space Balls and the giant vacuum. “She’s gone from suck to blow!”

[@herobrinekingmaster]

What? They are getting all the air back! DO SOMETHING!

[@onequickthing8950]

1-2-3-4-5

[@herobrinekingmaster]

@@onequickthing8950 1-2-3-4-5? That's amazing. I have the same combination in my luggage!

[@frostyfilmwatcher2148]

​@onequickthing8950 that's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! That's something an idiot would have on his luggage!

[@marinejcksn1]

“I knew it! I’m surrounded by assholes!

[@jnaught1358]

I honestly believe the reason the film is so short is due to all the agenda based scenes being cut out. This film was green lit, written and shot during the height of the gender politics era.. The monetary backlash they received for gaslighting their ENTIRE demographic forced them to (silently) reverse course. It can be seen in the edit and lack of story.. There’s NO WAY Disney would shoot a film with three females, a Muslim family, and ethnic diversity in triplicate, and completely leave out the girl power stuff.. The only one they were forced to keep was the “black girl magic” hashtag saying, and that’s due to editing.. That alone let’s me know there was more.. I believe they got scared after screenings and made a desperate decision to cut the agenda foolishness.. Which is why the movie of all fluff.. Two phases late, and a couple billion short I’d say..

[@averybaumann]

They'll never change, the next film will be just as woke or just fluff as this as despite lying multiple times in trailers, showing they understand exactly what fans want and refuse to do it. They best we can hope for is several hundred million spent filming the movie 10 times that failed every test screening because they replaced woke garbage with more woke garbage

[@onequickthing8950]

I always use Next as an example of that. Bright, too. Where you can see the rewrites or reedits because not one smoothed out the plot after the change. In both those movies you can see two writers arguing with each other in their drafts.

[@TheShoguneagle]

Remember, they mentioned using Kelly Sue Deconnick’s comics run as “inspiration.” Which explains why the character development is non-existent, the plot incoherent, and the story nonsensical. This movie’s just as empty-headed as she is.

[@LocrianDorian]

The Critical Doggo seems to be equally excited as I am for Marvel shit.

[@toothgrinder2760]

I’m equally as excited to watch Critical Doggo sh!t as I am to watch Diznee sh!t out another Marvel movie.

[@ShinkuGouki]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CardinalJackal]

Critical doggo 😎🤩🤗😘😁

[@enfieldjohn101]

Yes, I too would rather take a nap than watch the movies that Marvel/Disney makes now.

[@AscendantStoic]

Captain Marvel is the very EMBODIMENT of shrugging off responsibility ... she just runs around fucking up people's lives and then running away (and that still doesn't change much about how utterly stupid the motivation of the villain is). Also the Critical Drinker needs to find someone to create a plushie of him that says "THE MESSAGE" whenever you squeeze it, it would sell like hot cakes XD

[@frostyfilmwatcher2148]

I will buy 10 of those right now!

[@senorninato3318]

Plushie drinker: *exist* Crítical drinker: *STONKS*

[@Raidoven]

she literally GHOSTED an entire planet FOR 30 YEARS LMAOOOO

[@mhc706]

i love how some critics have said stuff like "the actors had so much fun making this movie, and i love that" because they couldnt make up a believable lie about the movie itself. but i always think "well i hope it was 500 million dollars worth of fun because thats how much the company lost on the film that was so fun to film"

[@YegRon]

My wife listens to these classical literature podcasts, so slightly different makeup than these shows (lol), and they talk a lot about how there aren’t any more stories anymore, only sermons. I agree, and I think that’s what’s befallen marvel and Star Wars.

[@coachcraven8279]

100 percent agree.

[@johnmcternan4157]

Can you name a few of these podcasts by any chance? I'm interested.

[@BionicleFactory]

​@@johnmcternan4157 I am interested as well!

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

@@johnmcternan4157likewise

[@paulcarmi8130]

​@@johnmcternan4157dudes trying not to blow up their spot. Let them be. Imagine how much h8 this pod gets.

[@TheJolle]

Even newspapers in Finland (who are usually completely out of touch) are writing about the failure of The Marvels. So that's how I know this is a colossal L for Disney

[@user-xj7hq1pp3x]

Who is Valkyrie? She was a side character in Thor3- and mostly not friendly until the end. She was insufferable in Thor4 and was fucking the director. She comes along and Thor hands her over the keys to Asguard… why??? In this new movie they treat her like she’s way more important than she ever was in any story.

[@RecluseBootsy]

Broad did an Old Spice commercial IN the movie, that's her biggest contribution to the whole franchise. More eye-roll inducing than the Mallrats reference in Captain Marvel. *Taika* was the worst thing to happen to the MCU since Brie herself. Dude resurrected 2 beloved characters just to make them both look like fucking idiots, cucked them with a race-swapped lady-dick, and most damningly ushered in this whole phase of formulaic hammy, hack-knee, 4th grader writing. The one thing he did right was giving us one last depiction of a violent Hulk. Planet Hulk wouldn't ever happen in the MCU and seeing him thrash Thor at least once was pretty dope... it was all downhill from there.

[@slagit]

Which they had had the comics version that was in the DEFENDERS. Damn I wished they just adapted the comics and not given us the crap I have checked out from!

[@todderickson2435]

I hate her character even more than I hate Captain Marvel, and that's saying something.

[@macguyver7807]

Open Bar is one of the view good things that came up because of Disneys failures. Cheers to your honest opinions and insights.

[@theglanconer6463]

The human boys are always entertaining but the profound wisdom, inspiring serenity, casual canid brilliance and cunning (dare I say it, even) 'stoaty stoaty' erudition shown by Smokey and Lara today took the Open Bar to another level indeed.

[@Emilis2023]

I had no idea there was even another Hunger Games movie in the works until a couple of days ago.

[@chasehedges6775]

The Hungers Games movies ended after mockingjay part 2

[@danieln6700]

I was kinda surprised when heard new one coming out soon. Seems very poor marketing or just lack of interest

[@williamflowers9435]

The book came out a couple years ago

[@angelikapotree2741]

@@danieln6700Hmm i saw a lot of clips on tt and other social media... while some cinemas already doing hunger games marathons before movie drop. I think it might hit big since it plays on nostalgia so well

[@RicStorm616]

The hunger games doesn't need a a prequel, adding Rachel Zegler to the mix will certainly kill whatever interest there was in it in the first place

[@user-xj7hq1pp3x]

Disney Marvel relies too heavily on magic items. They got the Darkhold, the infinity stones, magic hammers, the necrosword, Nega Bands… On the other hand- Hawkeye spent way too much time on that ninja suit that is just a piece of clothing! That somehow fit Clint Barton AND Kate Bishop. 🙄

[@Grivehn]

Sounds like its a magical ninja suit then.

[@dudeguy8686]

I'm fine with an overabundance of magic in a series, but whatever rules that dictate the world need to be followed. As the mcu is now, they consistently break their own rules, so all that "magic" is just bs plot device

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

magic is fine, the inconsistency isn't

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

​@@GrivehnMade in China. One size fits all. 😂

[@paulcarmi8130]

I'm sorry, what kind of Bands? Hehehehe

[@colburn888]

Even if you dont like or even hate comic movies, when the fight was done & Stark said my father made that shield, you dont deserve it & Rogers just drops it & walks off, you felt that shit. Those days are long gone.

[@theskycavedin]

Jeremy kind of misses the forest for the trees. He said he doesn't think Superhero stuff is done but then is surprised The Flash didn't do better because it had Michael Keaton's Batman in it. But I think Jeremy or Ryan also said that Deadpool 3 will do good because of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. They are failing to recognize that no one cares about these characters anymore. Even the well-received fan favorite roles. Those days are done, and no one is really that interested to see old Superhero characters even if they liked them in the past. Superhero movies can be successful but you can't live off of past glories anymore because the passion for those things is just gone amongst the general public. It's over.

[@toothgrinder2760]

You absolutely nailed it. I grew up reading X-Men, and I actually leaned how to draw by trying to copy my favorite mutants; but just because Wolverine holds massive amounts of nostalgia for me doesn’t mean I’m going to go watch Deadpool 3. I’m not just done, I’m _DONE_ with Diznee Marvel. I’m very much not looking forward to seeing Diznee ruin the X-Men as they ruined the other classic characters, and I’m certainly not going to spend another dime to support a bunch of Corpos that despise me. Diznee, and everyone associated with them have burned the bridge between them and the fans. I don’t take lightly that they tried to bully fans into consuming their dreck by labeling us racist, sexist, misogynistic, bigoted, and every type of istaphobe they could conjure up. Revenge is dish best served cold, and my revenge is apathy. I just don’t care about _anything_ Diznee, or Hollywood put out. They are all heartless, and soulless CuItural Marxists, and they can fade into obscurity for all I care…I wouldn’t blink an eye.

[@Lundarian1]

I don't think it's a matter of love lost for the characters, but rather knowing that they will be grossly mishandled and effectively character assassinated by talentless hacks.

[@bmac2814]

​@@Lundarian1100%

[@Agent_Cobalt]

It depends. Its certainly a factor that has been losing strength over the years. I dont know, but every time I think that the superhero genre is over someone throws a decent pitch that shows off the potential that you can still make off these legacy characters. Whether its solid yet different iterations of Batman, or James Gunn dusting off characters nobody has ever heard of. If its good, its good.

[@funkyfranx]

@@toothgrinder2760 It sounds like you have lost faith in the studios making the superhero movies though, rather than the superhero 'genre' itself

[@allletters4750]

The year is 2040, it is now possible to recreate the entire Avengers script purely through Marvel movie trailers

[@jasencee3884]

Meanwhile in an alternate universe, "Captain Mar-vell 2: The Kree-Skrull War" made $250 million dollars on Friday. See Marvel, I can play the multiverse angle too.

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

If we had the actual Captain Marvel from the comics instead of Brie Larson in a blue wetsuit, these movies would be far better received.

[@benstrauss6376]

Thank you for dropping this sooner than Sunday!

[@sukamadik5983]

I guess it's time to rewatch this Open Bar 🍺

[@Darkstar-se6wc]

Thank you! It isn’t just déjà vu …

[@lewishorsman2219]

Tyrone and Geeks & Gamers have such great laughs together they have me dying when they’re together 😂

[@GalaxyOfBoltz]

So true. Tyrone is hilarious. They need him on more.

[@Zac_Frost]

Tyrone has good chemistry with most people he hangs with. He's just a chill dude lol.

[@bumponalog5001]

Agreed. He's funny.

[@SlipdeGarcondeJour]

When Chris Gore gets talking, he really gets talking...

[@GOLDFISH817]

He really takes over lol

[@VODZ]

I enjoy his takes and insight

[@HieronymousMook]

Chris - On the "existing properties" point. Douglas Adams was once asked by a Radio 4 Producer who enjoyed the books if he'd considered making the Hitchhiker's Guide into a radio show.

[@paulrobinson4865]

1:28:33 I like the synergy between Critical Doggo who got up and started Spinning in circles while Jeremy was discussing Attack on Titan... perfect timing!

[@davidgannon5388]

2:25:30 - I got one to beat all those! In 1985, my father bought his first Apple Macintosh, with an internal *twenty megabyte* hard drive!! I (16 y.o. at the time) asked him, "What do we do when we fill it up?" He sagely answered, "We will *never* fill a 20-megabyte drive."

[@FlyingNDriving]

The hunger games prequel book came out only about 3 years ago, it's supposed to be about Snow and his origin arc

[@Noplayster13]

Just watched a great breakdown for why there is a complete apathy for anything marvel makes these days by a small KZbinr named JesterBell. It does a great job of breaking down what made Marvel amazing and what killed it.

[@harrar8]

Agree 💯 with Jeremy, you MUST see the Death Note anime. Some of the best cat and mouse detective story telling I’ve ever seen. And the demon is scary AF

[@dragonknightleader1]

That's my bug with Fandom Menace channels in general. They complain about how Western nerd media sucks, but never give anime a chance unless it's live-action. Live-action anime is, even when good, is always an approximation of the original work and lacks the idiosyncracies of animation unique to animation.

[@dudeguy8686]

"I'll take a potato chip, AND EAT IT!"

[@SolarDragon007]

@@dragonknightleader1 I wonder what they'd think of the live action Rurouni Kenshin films. Those are some of the best manga/anime to live action adaptations ever.

[@---jt5wg]

Agreed, I was genuinely surprised by how good some of the parts of those films were. As someone who watched the anime over a decade ago, they felt like a job well done in adaptation. The costume department, the color pallet overall, and the action scenes are my particular highlights.

[@Ryclops1057]

People that never had to *earn* a living off of fiction are in charge of the fiction.

[@ranger7734]

I disagree with the idea that smaller unknown superheroes aren't a possible box-office draw. Look at Iron Man as a almost completely unknown comic book hero. A simple redemption arc story, well written, with quality actors to bring the characters to life. They have to be about the character. Then it does seem to work. Although this is a truism for all true (good) storytelling.

[@sivad1025]

I don't disagree necessarily, but I don't think Iron Man is a great example. The superhero was an untapped genre that had just got a boost from the X-Men, Spider-Man and Dark Knight trilogies. People had a taste of what superhero movies could be and Iron Man got good word of mouth, capitalizing on that momentum. That momentum is completely gone. The novelty is gone. Even Iron Man has plot elements that would feel derivative if released today (pretty much the whole third act). So yes, a good movie could do well. But it's an uphill battle. The stars were aligned in 2008

[@emfuentes27]

I have saved so much money and time since I started watching this channel. Thanks.

[@samuel5591]

Had a lot more fun too!

[@robertanderson6929]

Were I to learn that _The Marvels_ was fanfic written by a group of middle-aged lesbian cat ladies then I would not be surprised.

[@henzoko5946]

Man some time stamps would be great since you guy release 10 min clips of the show

[@AndrewIles]

I honestly to God think the most cutting edge and fresh thing James Gunn and WB can do is make a traditional Superman film. Lord knows we need that optimism in this day and age.

[@FossilStudios316]

Love the cameos during the opening!

[@eggscellentTH]

With regards to arguments over what is woke, or what isn't. I think the key, regardless of the buzzword that is used, is that creators are attempting to convert their customers to their ideologies. That's a problem in and of itself, but worse is that the ideologies themselves are evil and repugnant. So, regardless of your personal tolerance for the inclusion of those ideologies, they are there, and people should be given the latitude to have their own tolerance for it.

[@xabhax]

The word woke should stop being used. It is getting used to much it’s loosing its meaning. It’s going the way of *phobic and Nazi. Used so much it means nothing anymore

[@sethkaicer319]

Rachel and Brie gave Captain America a full body cavity search against his will 😢😠😔🥺👀

[@Geminias]

In the tv show, EMH (cartoon) the Kree AI basically controlled everything about the environment and organized their entire civilization. If she killed it, I could see the planet dying as a result. However, i don't think the movies mentioned that at all.

[@derrickcheng2569]

Does anyone else find Chris Gore a little full of himself?

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Even if he comes off that way at times, he's still one of the best guests imo. Him & Robert Meyer Burnett bring up the most interesting discussions & insider information. I'd take them every week over guys like Jedi Brooks & Endymion...hate to name names but those guys need practice.

[@aldunlop4622]

No, because Chris knows his shit. He has decades of experience in entertainment, and knows more than the rest of the guys combined.

[@delbroox]

Absolutely. He was quite cringe.

[@reeesistance1625]

You have to gag him to shut him up.

[@therealesg3268]

The MCU can't end until they give me back Topher Grace's Venom

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"Oooh,my spider sense is tingling,if you know what I mean." - Topher Grace - 'Spider Man 3'

[@NathanCassidy721]

No.

[@epochz6693]

I agree completely on almost everything you guys said about The Marvels but you are dead wrong on the cats... they are its only redeeming aspect ;)

[@williamflowers9435]

Cat owners will also get the joke about their stomachs being essentially a black hole

[@dave2132]

DDayCobra made a great point about Danvers being given her powers, didn't earn them, and she was placed in great importance. But he didn't go far enough. That's how the writers and the cast view white women. That's why they wrote her that way, and that's why Larson played her that way.

[@Dhomden]

Black Panther's ubermegagenius Q and Monica Ram...bo shows this has nothing to with le whiteys

[@bv_7766]

Based on how Gunn just constantly lies to the fans of DC, and the ideas he has and the characters he wants to use, makes me completely disagree that Gunn is some great comic film maker. I think he literally got lucky with guardians, and lucky casted a very popular likable actor (pratt) and I think he’ll be done at DC pretty quick if he keeps constantly lying to the fan base.

[@zerofcksgiven8564]

If I were in charge at Marvel, this would be my actions: 1. Release Deadpool 3 2. Batgirl EVERYTHING else. 3. Take 2 years off 4. Release an OUTSTANDING XMen movie. 5. Build a NEW Cinematic Universe from that movie.

[@Johnathan66667]

Really enjoyed this chat, well done lads

[@hkmrsrg1367]

About Attack on Titan, my first viewing was of the same impression but I have a different view of it after viewing it a second time. First time watching, the first season was great, the second was okay, the third picks up again with crazy moments, and then it kind of slows down again. This was before the final season part 2 and 3. But after watching some youtube channels showing me details I didn't notice before, I watched season 2 onwards with shock and awe as I get to separate my attachment from the main character and start to see how the "villains" of season 1 acted. You see the same scenes with a different view that you keep rewinding just to see the hints the mangaka (or the villains) dropped on the viewers. It's amazing. However, there's one thing that always bothers me but it bothers me with pretty much every story that involves "time" as part of the story these days. I just watched the final episode two days ago, I liked the action but didn't like the story as much. Somehow the manga is better for me for this part of the story.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

"Ello." haha. Cheers bois. Wicked theme tune. Its legendary.

[@MisterGoblin65]

Chris Gore and his “Rants” happen rather often unfortunately…however I enjoyed the show as usual…Thank You Drinker

[@aldunlop4622]

Nah, Chris knows his shit, probably more than all the other guys put together.

[@nealm6764]

Better than the bald angry guy who goes bezerk over the most inconsequential things and nearly strokes himself out.

[@DavidSupina]

Of all the great points made in response to The Marvels, I think the most eloquent one was Smokey and Lara lying on the floor in stunned silence for two and a half hours.

[@neillindgren8992]

I think part of the reason an all-powerful Superman worked and an all-powerful Captain Marvel doesn’t work is that Superman was “handicapped” by his moral code. Where Captain Marvel basically states that they’ve done everything they could and they have to leave (which rightly disappoints Miss Marvel), Superman would have said “No, we have to save everyone”, which would have made things much more difficult, but also much more exciting. One of the problems with hiring people who don’t know superheroes to write superhero movies is that they don’t understand how to make superheroes work. To make a Superman or Captain Marvel work, you don’t threaten them (which is difficult), but you instead threaten the people around them, especially people they care for (which might be difficult for apparently self-centered loners like Captain Marvel, but that’s yet another writer problem).

[@aldunlop4622]

Superman’s greatest “flaw” isn’t Kryptonite, it’s his morals. He cares.

[@neillindgren8992]

@@aldunlop4622 👍 Definitely. Too bad that too many modern writers for both comics and superhero movies don’t understand this.

[@somethingboss]

I still can't understand how nobody is talking about 'SILO' this year. It was one of my biggest surprises. Brilliant from start to finish and can't wait for season 2.

[@banistersmind]

I first saw The Matrix on a cruise ship in the middle of the South Pacific and I had a blast. The Matrix was also the first DVD I ever watched. When I first bought my player, I got four free DVDs and The Matrix was one of them. Good times!

[@ThinkTwice2222]

I don't get why drinker doesn't get that there's millions of people who tolerate anything and will accept anything new with all the fanfare they're told to...?

[@nealm6764]

90% of the people in this comment section went and saw the movie, so how are they any better? Because they paid Disney $$$ so they could join in making fun of it?

[@MrMarvell]

Haven't watched anything in the MCU since phase 3, Spiderman Far From Home. The writing was on the wall back then, thank you for watching this crap so i dont have to.

[@gabrielhedin1697]

I love a good Frank Gore rant!

[@Alexander-lc7dx]

2:26:54 did anyone else pick up on the backhanded digs Drinker gave to Chris a few different times when Chris admitted he was working in the background and not fully engaged in conversation?.

[@Drawnartist]

To be fair Chris did say he had to go back to work

[@neillindgren8992]

36:15 Actually, in the comics, the Kree Empire did have multiple planets, but “fortunately” for the plot of this movie, that was conveniently forgotten (or simply unknown to the writers, as Disney has been known in the past to encourage it’s writers not to read the source material, which helps explain much of the failure in current MCU movies).

[@kristoffereberius2476]

I liked the batman when I first saw it. I think part of the slow pace was to help convey how batman felt, the start of the film (2 years in and all major crime stats were up) he comes across as melancholy and depressed. Hopefully they use the films length and pacing of the sequel to match the state of the batman at that time. Brightburn was good and different.

[@mystroceo]

Aww man. My boy Tyrone made it. This is a true dream come true. Love the positive energy. Would love to see The Critical Drinker, Mauler, DdayCobra, Tyrone Magnus, Nerdrotic, Chris Gore, HeelsVSBabyface, Endymion. Altori, Hey Viv, Yung Rippa.

[@dragonknightleader1]

@1:14:04 "Nostalgia is a powerful drug." Nostalgia for who exactly? Millenials that saw Batman: TAS are not necessarily old enough to have seen Batman 89. And even in those 90s Batman movies, Bats wasn't necessarily the draw or what made those movies good, hence why they went with Val Kilmer and George Clooney. So Keaton isn't the nostalgic draw G&G says he is. Not that it would have mattered for the Flash movie, which was always going to be the crap version of Flashpoint Paradox. Ironically, Flashpoint Paradox is the perfect movie for Zack Synder to make; an alternate universe where everyone hates each other and wages a world war over it. Also remember that G&G was the one pushing for the Synder cut in the first place. Then Synder stabbed him in the back with #StopAsianHate virtue-signalling, implying that G&G was pro hate crime. So keep that in mind when he says he hates those movies.

[@Promance2300]

22:21 Dodgson, we've got Dodgson here!

[@stenchwinslow2463]

Attack on Titan was excellent. The people that didn’t read the manga loved it as far as I can tell.

[@emosgowoof]

They handled the ending dialogue between Armin and Eran far better than the manga, but he still should have plowed Mikasa and put a baby in her, before he had Armin harakiri him, to save the Eldian race.

[@edwardhudgins3286]

Sucking the air from a planet sounds like they copied Mel Brooks' "Spaceballs!"

[@charlesarlingtonauthor]

I have written stories of fantasy, urban fantasy, epic fantasy, and sci-fi fantasy, with more to come. They are woven to honor the medium of storytelling, and to tell themselves. These stories do not fear their gritty character, and they do not denounce the powers which possess them. These stories are woven to pronounce a desired tale composed by their vessel.

[@scottag3597]

When does Open Bar actually stream? I never manage to catch it live.

[@scottag3597]

And is it streamed on KZbin?

[@HyoureiKyouran]

Thursdays 9 PM GMT, and yes it is streamed on YT

[@scottag3597]

@@HyoureiKyouran thank you very much!

[@MrFiddleedee]

Ive watched it live once and found chat to be VERY lively and quick on the memes.

[@PsychicGirl]

It always streams Thursday at 4pm EST

[@LifesGuardian]

"We're witnessing the death of the superhero genre..." While I agree with this statement, I wish it wasn't so. For the longest time I held out hope that Marvel would course correct and get back to basics. After seeing MoM and witnessing the debasement and humiliation of my last favorite Avenger, I no longer feel this way. I loved Cap, Tony, Black Widow, and the first incarnation of Thor. They told very interesting stories with a minimum of preach. It wasn't devoid of "the message" but it wasn't front and center either. The characters had arcs and it was interesting to see them progress through them. What I wish this was, is the death of pandering trash and a resurgence of talent. Sadly, I don't think this is to be. Hollywierd would rather let studios and franchisees burn to the ground before they would acknowledge that their corrupt sense of morality is, in fact, corrupt.

[@bluecollarloser6654]

2:01:09 Lol love how the drinker used my superchat to unveil Robocop. Can't wait to hear him play it lol

[@jgould30]

FYI attacking with the scarf is from the comics

[@bravefire1]

Great video with a lot of good points, I have to disagree with DdayCobra for most of his points, hes seems quite out of touch on the real issues. Almost all of these films failed not because of CGI, CGI used to be something marketable, but now that it is quite common, viewers are not wowed or lured to movies because of them. These films are bad mainly because of their writing and directing, plain and simple. Also there is nothing wrong with shared universe, its still extreme successful in other mediums of entertainment, like TV shows, video games etc, its just the writing and respecting the core material of these IPs that have already been established, consumed and supported by fans.

[@thesnazzycomet]

ITS OPEN BAR, ITS OPEN BAR, ITS OPEN BAR!

[@lancebaylis3169]

Jeremy hits the nail on the head when he says it isn't necessary superhero movie fatigue, it's fatigue with big cinematic universes. People are already tired of the endless phases of Marvel, and the general reaction to James Gunn announcing DC movies out into nearly 2030 was "Oh gawwwwwwddd......" Tight, one-off, self contained movies. That's what will revitalize the superhero genre at this point. Joker was a fluke but was also a template of sorts. The Batman would have been fine if they could have kept it to the basic premise and not diluted itself to setting up sequel hooks. Just tell a good self contained story about Superman, The X-Men, Spider-Man, whoever it may be. Audiences are fed up with having to follow a trail of bread crumbs that may or may not go anywhere.

[@pabloburns6840]

I much prefer Open bar over FNT; a lot more sober :)

[@anyaabusable9888]

It doesn't seem to matter how many guests they have on. If Chris Gore is one of them, he will talk 80% of the time

[@amarawinchester963]

When the guys were asking “who captain marvel is”, they didn’t have an answer because she did not have a good character development and not enough screen time. I think Captain Marvel movie would have been better if Carol was kidnapped by really evil beings. If she was brainwashed and did awful things like early Loki version level awful things, and then when she gets her memories back she is in pain and regret, and does the best she can to redeem herself and be a hero. I think most of the movie should have been on that planet she was living on for a while. And maybe then at the end send her to earth when she pursues the bad guys and meets Fury and helps him. That would have been a story I would want to see. We all would have known who captain marvel is if something like that happened to her.

[@yung_wise5861]

Finally someone tells Drinker to watch Death Note. Holy fuck. Its probably my favorite anime ever

[@tonygmichael6434]

All these shill/left leaning youtube 'personalities' that keep telling me how I should speak or critique a movie are really pissing me off. If I don't like something I will say why and then take the piss out of it and the crew involved. If they can take the millions of dollars on the upside of the career the actors and writers/directors have chosen surely the downside of fans not liking certain projects and having a laugh about them is a fair thing ..no? I used to like some of these channels but everytime I try and watch one I get lectured into how I'm not speaking properly and am a hater or a racist or any other ist on the THE LIST. They're narcissistic assholes and I'm thankful for places like this where you aren't judged and can speak your mind! Thanks Drinker and co!!

[@aldunlop4622]

Fucking A!

[@callumblakeney7935]

Chris gore gotta let others speak bruh

[@IRMentat]

Imagine 1990s captain marvel(red sash and all), a fellow superhero and a newly powered kid having a cosmic adventure with planets being attacked, basically a Bollywood world writ large (maybe even bring in some of their movie absurdity with the CGI, physical prowess and unapologetically flowing cloth and hair), random mermaid laden waterworks and a villain out for revenge for very specific appoints of previous schemes. I’d have read that in a heartbeat. Meanwhile not even bree in a tank top can entice me to see this one (and I’m very much an appreciator of her role in Scott pilgrim, the song is part of my semi regular background playlist). Hollywood either did something to Bree or something broke once she became an “actress”.

[@laurentd.4473]

Side note: in the Marvel forgotten productions, there was Big Hero 6 animated movie. In the comics, the female characters were super "curvy", and in the film they were "defiminized". And Jar Jar Abrams also f..ed up Star Trek. Made it as an brainless action scifi movie, losing the "soul" of the franchise.

[@sergiocardenas5939]

Oh the intro❤️‍🔥

[@MrSphandor]

It's finished even RDJ can't save this. I hope he doesn't go through with it there's still years before that movie will be ready.

[@cromcccxvi3787]

Why is Dday commenting so much on things he has never watched?

[@user-nq9lv2by1c]

ive had people on twitter call the drinker an outrage merchant ? and all sorts of stuff when posting positively about his content, , i dont see what there talking about, this is a dude who sees all arguments and gives credit where its due to brie Larson and the cast of the movie.

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Those idiots don't actually watch that's why. They only see clips & see what they want to see to confirm their biases. And I like Drinker but definitely don't agree with everything he says.

[@SoulHuN7eR]

I'm more interested in the Doom t-shirt, than the movie! 😆

[@kevinmccabe7263]

At it's height (I believe 2020) there were 1,500 new "scripted" tv shows (included reality tv) in a single year! That's utterly insane!

[@mattvsmetaverse]

What a clever way to "force" people to watch their other shitty properties. "First you gotta see Cpt. Marvel, and Secret Invasion, and Wandavision, and The Little Mermaid!"

[@chrisjhass]

I had to pause the video and go rewatch Cameron Diaz dance and yes they took so much away!

[@osmanyousif7849]

Hope to see a review of the latest David Fincher movie The Killer. Definitely has a lot to talk about.

[@ramert32]

So underwhelming. 6/10 at best weak as hell story

[@osmanyousif7849]

@@ramert32 , Where would you rank it out of his 11 films (not including Alien 3 as he disowned it)?

[@ramert32]

@@osmanyousif7849 Better than 3/10 Mank and his girl with the dragon tattoo remake(much prefer the orginal over that).worse than the rest.

[@osmanyousif7849]

@@ramert32 , Benjamin Button and Panic Room too?

[@ramert32]

@@osmanyousif7849 Haven't seen button. Panic room is underrated imo, better than the killer easily

[@jiggystardust]

Wow, 2:01:28 finally the broaching of the topic on the prism 'what if the Star Wars trilogy was awesome' and I'm surprised that this crew had not seen it yet - get on it! (please)

[@commiewaffle3371]

Goddamn it! The minute you said there was a song a dance number I started burning my collection of comics because I knew this movie made them worthless...

[@Riley_Mundt]

1:36:00 Chris Gore saying that Pasadena, CA is like living in the Midwest really cements just how worthless his takes are.

[@jgould30]

Prominently men liking something shouldn't be seen as a negative. It should be seen as a positive. Just like if there are things women like more. Fyi, every woman I know didn't care about the DC stnder stuff except for Aquaman because "omg so hot". 🤷‍♂️

[@skorpion7132]

Yeah, because Jason Momoa. When I first saw Aquaman I was like: Hang on, thats the guy from Stargate Atlantis (and that was 10 years before that)

[@genebaker511]

Has anyone ever figured out the secret to the name of Dar-Benn and the gender-swap?

[@SusanPederson]

I need to get a life! I find myself singing "so pour me a Pinot Noir" & "All hail! Friday Night Tights"!

[@eddsuperstar]

Thank you Chris Gore For saying it. The Hunger Games especially the 1st one copied Battle Royale an Asian Movie. Used it to sell Suzanne Collins Novels on the big screen and got praised for being original.

[@J.Hermansson]

I totally agree, there have been way to much content coming out for a normal person to keep up. It's been quantity instead of quality for way to long.

[@dave2132]

Sigourney Weaver THO? Been trying to figure this out for days, and literally 2 seconds after posting I thought of does it mean "t*** hanging out?"

[@Towner101]

1:30:39 +1 for the death note review. Can confirm, top ten story telling.

[@RicStorm616]

So they've used the Spaceballs plot? This movie has definitely gone from suck to blow 🤣

[@adamdavies1068]

Holy shit Mauler, I remember the Great Intelligence from DrWho😊

[@justinrodriguez5957]

Charlie's Angels in Space? Could never happen. The "feminists" would light themselves on fire since a movie with women being sexually appealing and using that as a strength would be "objectifying" women. *heavy eye rolls*

[@abefroman7820]

What does "...I remember the days when Sigourney had a T.H.O..." mean? (40:40).