Drinker's Chasers - Secret Invasion Kinda Sucks

Marvel's Secret Invasion has launched on Disney+, and it's pretty much as bad as everyone predicted.
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[@name-vi6fs]

Gary is correct. Making the Skrulls sympathetic characters, instead of the villains they are, was a huge mistake.

[@Zepher0987]

But... undocumented immigrants good.

[@Vastspartan]

Disney writers half assing everything. If you're doing something, full ass it. Enough with sympathy. Just make someone evil. Make them a frightening villain

[@emhu2594]

Truly evil people exist in real life just like in Disney movies of the old days. They shouldn't shy away from portraying that.

[@Gundam4]

Agreed

[@plagueboi2861]

Bro the skrull arc was legit on of my favorite arcs in earth's mightiest heroes, I was legitimately disappointed when they made them the good guys in captain marvel.

[@SheldonAdama17]

It’s like half of Marvel’s writing abilities got snapped away by Thanos and never came back

[@hulkfan97]

Excellent analogy

[@chasehedges6775]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@hulkfan97💯💯

[@1stCallipostle]

Maybe with all that writer's strike BS they'll have to hire actual talent instead of complete hacks

[@SheldonAdama17]

@@1stCallipostleHonestly at this point I’m rooting for all those Hollywood losers to be replaced by AI

[@Rolf97]

Why they had to make the Skrulls the good guys is beyond me. Their conflict with the Kree and how Earth became a battleground for them was what made everything interesting.

[@Yodah97]

Wasn't Captain Marvel released in the Great Plot Twist Era? We're still dealing with the whole "subvert your expectations" BS today, but I think that movie came out when more people still thought crazy twists were peak fiction. It was before the end of GoT showed how hard shock for its own sake can fuck a story.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Yodah97💯💯💯

[@lordjimbo2]

Immigration allegory post-MAGA.

[@KrazzeeKane]

@@Yodah97 ugh, that Era was awful lol, claimed so many good ideas in the name of "subverting your expectations" or some other plot twist, at all costs. As we saw in many films like The Last Jedi, it can be an absolute fucking travesty lol

[@YouTubestaffRMaoApologists]

​@@KrazzeeKane It can be done....even though it's been done to death and it's just tiresome at this point. The problem is, to make it work and be interesting, it takes talent on both sides of the camera, least of all writers. Something we all know is sorely lacking at Disney. So the results are contemporary Disney, big ol pile of 💩

[@thecod2345]

What’s worse is that this is easily the Marvel product with the most potential. Nick Fury facing off against a bunch of aliens he can’t immediately identify all out to get him is a fantastic concept because you should be questioning every decision made, if there is anyone to trust, how accessible any bit of information is on what he’s doing. Instead it’s just…this.

[@avernikas]

Lets get gross! Marvel/Disney is a lot like a cook who adds Regurgitate! Rot! Decay! Aids! Cancer! The black plague! Crap! And nose mucus; the green kind! And then they add food ingredients, and say see Lasagna, have some!

[@Arthas30000]

Honestly though, it was clear they were gonna drop the ball on this ever since Cpt. Marvel and Spiderman: Far From Home. They made the Scrulls good characters and allies of Fury and the Avengers. So there's no surprise this is a mess.

[@Uzarran]

@@avernikas To be fair, Miyazaki does that for every Souls game he makes, and they all turn out great.

[@nont18411]

If you want to see this concept done right, watch “The Thing” especially 1982 version.

[@erikdayne5429]

Based on their reactions it seems the critical doggo didn’t hate it

[@GigaChadh976]

“The blip changed Fury” Given what we know about the guy he should be the one affected the least

[@tonyruby4467]

It makes 0 sense for Fury to have PTSD over the blip. I'm sure he's seen worse in his line of work. They've completely dropped the ball on that character since Captain Marvel

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

I didn't even know this show was coming out. They've oversaturated the market to such a degree, that even a show starring Sam Jackson's Nick Fury can fly under the radar.

[@yugiblox3274]

It’s decent so far for the first episode. A bit slow but I think the early episodes are probably build up

[@above.average.gaming.natio3026]

@@yugiblox3274 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@MsYunaFires]

Ditto for Incredible Hulk (Norton's version before Ruffalo took coming to D+. Nothing feels like "must see tv" anymore

[@above.average.gaming.natio3026]

@@MsYunaFires no

[@macaronitony4084]

Yea I was just scrolling on a ...movie site..and seen the title and was like when tf did this drop?! They definitely didn't hype up the premiere dates

[@TehCrushinatorz]

Emilia Clarke's niche is being appallingly adorable, being a brat, or being the woman everyone loves and throws themselves into harm to protect.

[@AndrewThoesen]

To be fair I could believe all three

[@bigdigclutch]

​@@AndrewThoesenput me in cat 3.

[@Yodah97]

I too feel bad for her. I did some deep dives into the ending of GoT, and her interviews about how she felt after reading the script and how she tried to inject emotion into her role even when directors were telling her to be cold was just... heartbreaking. I think she more than anyone else in the team cared about all the kids named Daenerys, all the people who got Khaleesi tattoos. And yes it is silly to get that invested in a show, but fuck me, most shows don't betray the audience *that deeply*.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Those do not mix very well and the evidence is her films.

[@MrDwarfpitcher]

​@@Yodah97yeah I remember an Interviewer asking her "how good is the last Season going to be?" And rather than answering vaguely or proudly, she just looked with that smile saying "I want to say its absolutely terrible so badly, but I should. Not. Do. So." Poor lady was absolutely fuming. And she wasn't alone among the cast

[@rexlumontad5644]

It's worse when the director of Secret Invasion revealed that Marvel Studios forbade him from reading Secret Invasion comics.

[@chasehedges6775]

Dang, I feel bad for the director

[@chasehedges6775]

Kevin Feige is THE WORST. He’s just like KK

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

@@chasehedges6775 At least KK is doing it on purpose. Hopefully when she is out in August they will make it a two for one, and get rid of Kevin as well.

[@jackielogan9104]

OUCH

[@idawg7332]

This is why I think it's hilarious when people act like fiege and the other people in charge of the mcu have great respect for the comics. They don't and if you want proof of that just look at their version of ultron

[@nont18411]

Emilia Clarke and Tom Holland should fire their respective agents. Like seriously, their agents always land them on shitty projects.

[@chasehedges6775]

Tom Holland should make Indie films and Emilia Clarke should leave Hollywood entirely

[@danjonmills]

Holland is a Nepo-baby: he should be grateful he was Spiderman, and not expect much more from his privelege. (Rich privelege, not white)

[@TheOnlyGreen]

Tom Holland has been in 3 of the top 10 grossing films of all time but okay.....

[@SuperNeos2]

@@TheOnlyGreenAll Marvel movies riding the pop culture bandwagon. Nothing indicative of his acting abilities. He was in Uncharted as well and that sucked.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@SuperNeos2In fairness, that was kinda doomed to suck regardless.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Disney has succeeded in making mice out of men in both Nick Fury *and* Talos.

[@EvilDoresh]

All accordig to plan

[@everything-comics1102]

💀

[@rdubayoo]

Wow, it's like letting a bunch of shape shifting aliens run wild on your planet in the name of inclusion was a bad idea.

[@frocat5163]

Analogy?

[@mattsterh7740]

Um based?

[@akayuki94]

Sounds too close to home

[@patricklewis9787]

@@akayuki94Euros stay losing lmaooo

[@lutajucientropija6643]

@@patricklewis9787why would you say that?

[@_.HERCULES._]

this doesn't surprise me anymore; what will surprise me is actually good content

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯

[@chasehedges6775]

We need another Andor. That was good content

[@ErikDeMann]

@@chasehedges6775 Nah, the woke lgbtq content was just better hidden. Case in point, the mandatory lesbian self-inserts, we also witnessed at the end of TFA.

[@SuperMegaGaelourde]

​@@ErikDeMannDon't worry bro, you don't hide propaganda. What's going on if they're hiding anything, is that you've convinced them that they need to hide gays from the public to make money. We won the culture war! Woooooooo!

[@pearodox]

@@chasehedges6775 Andor was an ok drama, but not a good Star Wars story. It didn't add anything to Andor's character, nor did it make me more sympathetic about his death in Rogue One.

[@ManOfEthnicity]

You know it's bad when ABC doesn't even bother to do promotion for it on their morning shows.

[@FULANODETAL]

he abc studios got Agents of shield..than its better

[@KCBCollier]

“You ACCIDENTALLY did more research than any writer in the history of Disney+ did.” Lol.

[@linkingwithnaz1295]

It's not even right. Skrulls were always shown to have enhanced strength.

[@dualwieldroxas358]

Imagine saying NICK FURY is too scared of failure. The man who literally broke reality to steal a Watcher's eye and maintain control over one of the most convoluted and damaging events in comic history. THAT GUY is scared Yeah, no

[@yugiblox3274]

I don’t think he’s scared…it’s just getting snapped and basically dying for 5 years can traumatize you a bit even if you’ve seen the weirdest ish.

[@xipheonj]

You don't even need to go to the comics. The movie version was also well established as a badass. He literally created the Avengers. He was bossing around a super soldier, a god, many of the world's smartest men, and the fucking Hulk. His part in Winter Soldier trying to take back Shield from Hydra shows what kind of man he is. What he went through creating the Avengers and because of Hydra is 10x worse than what the blip did to him.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@yugiblox3274 shouldn't that apply to literally everyone too then? Seems like a bad excuse.

[@ThaCouchpotato]

That was the actual Nick Fury

[@tyrellturner5602]

It’s almost like this is a version of Nick Fury from a different continuity Also, Maybe give the show more than a single episode before you start complaining about it

[@rexlumontad5644]

Ironically, the Secret Invasion Saga was far better handled by the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated show.

[@CloneLoli]

Not that ironic considering the animated shows are often made and worked on by people that care about the comics or even worked on the comics.

[@nonamer29]

@rexlumontad5644: THANK YOU!!!! ALL FACTS!!!!!

[@dualwieldroxas358]

That show was pretty good, ngl

[@temwananinkana3419]

That season of earth's mightiest heroes was amazing. And then the retcon it to be like the mcu and ruined it.

[@GothPaoki]

That show was great.

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

"Secret Invasion kinda sucks" In other news, mud is brown

[@chasehedges6775]

and water is wet and the grass is green

[@emhu2594]

Poo is brown

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@emhu2594💩 you betcha!

[@user-ir4bm7cl4y]

Why nobody’s blaming Kevin Feige for those half baked inconsistent products ? It’s always the small writers who accused of having secret agenda. Yet Feige is the big boss and the overall supervisor who should be responsible for the consistency and quality of content

[@noahsmith1053]

Earth's Mightiest Heros, had the Skrulls infiltrate the planet and stuck around for a while. Like to the point you as the audience kinda forgot a specific someone was a Skrull until specific moments. Afterwards that characters reputation sucks, and he ends up bonding with you know who due to Jameson constantly ragging on him A cartoon from 11 years ago literally made the blueprint on how this could play out well.

[@Arko777777]

Earth's Mightiest Heroes was such a good show, man. Kang, Ultron, Skrulls all had better plotlines there than in MCU. It's a shame it got canceled.

[@MegaSpideyman]

@@Arko777777 Better 52 (mostly) great episodes than many terrible or mediocre ones.

[@AndreNitroX]

Avengers EMH did the secret invasion arc so perfectly!

[@ghostrouxinol6169]

​@@Arko777777It was cancelled due to MCU.

[@ghostrouxinol6169]

​@@Arko777777And it was supposed to do the Civil War on the season that was cancelled.

[@jkatkat7950]

I like the trend of villains to sympathetic characters - reallllly hope for a Jaws remake but we delve into why the shark is sooooo pissed off and it runs out it was really humans fault and everyone deserved what happened to them

[@TheRealNormanBates]

I can't wait until we see the untold story of the Romans, and why the Jews were in actuality _evil the whole time_ and the Romans had a reason for destroying Israel. Can we also depict Jesus as a villain who deserved to be crucified, or would that be going too far?

[@nhmooytis7058]

Bruce had a traumatic childhood, abandoned by his father who ran off with an orca, mom sold him to an aquarium, where his caretaker was an insane vegan who only let him eat tofu.

[@jkatkat7950]

@@nhmooytis7058 Wait!! Don't forget to gender swap!!! No longer Bruce the Shark...it's Brucelina???

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@jkatkat7950 trans shark!

[@theblackflame4002]

Nope,. the shark remains evil, know why? Cause its a great white shark and white is bad.

[@Kahnovitch]

So the Skrulls were the bad guys all along and Brie's Captain Marvel backed the wrong side? Imagine my surprise. With regards to Emelia Clarke, can you imagine being offered a role in something as (previously) iconic as The Terminator or Star Wars films? There was a time when people would give body parts to be involved in those franchises; until Disney took over.

[@liamphibia]

I don't know how this show is gonna transition into... *smirk* the Marvels!

[@MrTobi013]

All was good until the Fire Nation attacked. Now people are scrambling to make good content...without consulting the source material.🙄

[@linkingwithnaz1295]

Seems like the kree were right about the skrulls after all

[@takerhulk3163]

To be fair captain marvel was set in the 90s. So folk and scrulls change

[@dannypalin9583]

It's funny how Captain Marvel was pushed as the cure for cancer who would replace Iron Man before and after Endgame. Now she's being shown to fuck up several times. Coincidentally, the leak of The Marvels (which is real because Marvel took down the Reddit forum it was posted on) has the plot point of Carol discovering that she's only seen as a hero to Earth, the Skrulls and the Avengers. The rest of the galaxy call her the Annihilator because of what she did with the Kree. There's even a "never meet your hero" scene where Kamala botches a strategy and Carol shouts at her. Kamala goes off all upset and Carol gets told off by Monica because Kamala's a kid, not a soldier.

[@theGentlemanCaller73]

I feel badly for Emilia Clarke. She's a decent actress and seems like a good person. But she ends up in all the wrong projects.

[@jogymogy3691]

She is sweet and deserves better

[@rosswatson3993]

Yeah, that Game of Thrones show was a REAL disaster for her career. Lol😂 wtf are you talking about? 😂😂😂

[@tenisviejos]

Terminator😂

[@owenlindkvist5355]

@@rosswatson3993 Becoming an actress was the real disaster.

[@arigat-s0244]

@@rosswatson3993 She was in Solo, so we're not really talking about GoT (unless it's about the final season).

[@DirtyRobohobo]

The scene where Talos just let's his daughter G'iah leave with three dirty bombs for her terrorist organization to use to start a world war when he has her dead to rights because feelings due to mommy dying absolutely killed the episode for me. No hope for the show to get better.

[@TheFatalcrest]

XD literally could have had him give her a chance....she starts to bolt, he clips her in the leg with a bullet. And then tries again. She still refuses, the emotions get heated up and they are both straining to remain family in each other's eye...but as he yanks the bag off her, she has two of her own drop in to beat him up and recover both her abd the bomb. Maybe have him even start to book it but she shoots him in the back, nearly killing him....but they don't have time to check, she's hurt and possibly have move agents coming, so Emilia and her team get out with the bomb, maybe with a tracker on it. XD like him being this weak, that he can't uphold a conviction of "We shouldn't kill 8 billion people to steal their world," is almost criminal.

[@julianlord5366]

Sure, he should have just murdered his daughter instead, would that have satisfied you ?

[@roadrunnin3512]

@@TheFatalcrestyou probably wouldn’t do shit if somebody put they hands on you but you callin him weak for not shooting his daughter

[@TheFatalcrest]

@@roadrunnin3512 I'm talking in a drama scene, and I'm calling him weak for not taking action against someone that could end the lives of a planet. Family or not, she is carrying that bomb and wounding her to stop her is valid in my opinion. He doesn't have to kill her to get to it. XD don't know what I have to do with this.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

One of his main traits is that he hates killing people and your mad he didn’t kill his daughter? Wtf?

[@Kernwadi]

“Grass is green... Let that sink in.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@Kernwadi]

Yes.

[@karl5599]

What colour is the sink?

[@Kernwadi]

@@karl5599 Purple.

[@karl5599]

@@Kernwadi beautiful.

[@scottjackson1420]

Am I the only one who remembers that the Skrulls literally WERE the bad guys in Marvel Comics? I almost fell out of my chair when they turned out to the good guys in Whee Larson's version of Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel, by the way, is supposed to be a man, a great Kree warrior who Jim Starlin turned into the greatest character in the the stable of heroes ... negative bands switching with Rick Jones into the Negative Zone; fighting the Super Skrull, destroying the Cosmic Cube to kill Thanos, and all that told in a long story that took forever to resolve, with crossover stories in Iron Man, the Avengers, and I think even Marvel Team-Up magazine. And the Skrull had ONE super-powered guy that I knew of: the Super Skrull himself, who had the combined powers of each member of the Fantastic Four. I guess none of that ever happened.

[@bri55118]

They added the power skrull with the super skrull to thier ranks in the 90s. Plus the dire wraiths are a offshoot of the skrull that fought rom the space Knight. And are arguably more deadly as the females are more vicious than the male ones.

[@Grasslander]

I remember the Skrull causing mutations in a small town, the townfolk could turn into scary monsters. The Fantastic Four investigated and you found out the truth together with them. Reading that as a kid, it was a great story of suspense, culminating in fighting these monsters. That feeling is something Disney's execs can never capture.

[@tradford]

Thank you for standing up for Captain Mar-Vell. It is a crime what they did to his story. He was my favorite Marvel hero back in the day and he is the one that did the big victory over Thanos and the Cosmic Cube. Mar-Vell 33 is still my all time favorite comic.

[@ajclements4627]

Even Thanos respected Mar-Vell.

[@user-nv2wt4hi8t]

@@ajclements4627 Right? Just like introducing Warlock, arguably the 2nd most important character in the comic book Infinity Gauntlet saga, after Thanos' death in the movies, introducing Mar-Vell as a gender swapped woman who dies in her first appearance rather than the OG style Mar-Vell who could have formed a rivalry with Thanos or even later been used to explore the amazing moment in the comics where Thanos accompanies Mar-Vell to his passing, is just so bizarre and poorly planned by the MCU.

[@ajclements4627]

@@user-nv2wt4hi8t Marvel fumbled the ball on Mar-Vell and so many other storylines and characters it’s ridiculous.

[@user-nv2wt4hi8t]

@@ajclements4627 Oh for sure, while putting every ounce of their attention, marketing and optimism on dead ends like Captain Marvel as 'the new Iron Man of the franchise'. Jesus.

[@ajclements4627]

@@user-nv2wt4hi8t Didn’t you know, Ironheart is gonna be the new Stark! 😂

[@interregnum_]

Jedi Brooks is right about Emilia Clark and casting: whatever anyone thinks of Last Christmas and its romcom-y schlock, she's charismatic as hell in it. Find a way to capitalize on _that_ and she's set.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯

[@nerdyempress6745]

She is such a cheerful and bubbly person it’s weird she keeps on getting cast in stoic rolls.

[@anomie1998]

​@@nerdyempress6745it's the "strong female character" fad

[@unknownname8591]

True, I hate romcom but that movie was good, specially the twist which makes it very different from the copy-paste romcom crap. Love Hard was good too, only two romcom I actually like.

[@windowsVD]

@@nerdyempress6745 It’s partly because she seems to actively pursue these types of roles. There was an interview not too long ago where she actually said that she wants to do more action movie roles. It seems that she has also misidentified her strengths as an actress as well.

[@templarzy1825]

Smokey's insight as always is magnificent. Bravo you sleepy doggo.

[@intruder313]

Matched my take when I was watching it - I had to force myself to stay awake and reach the end

[@haids6409]

waiting for the day the editor makes a smokey comment somehow lol

[@offlineraided]

I absolutely recommend Secret Invasion if you are having trouble sleeping 😌

[@emhu2594]

Not as efficient as rings of pwoer

[@RatedAwesome]

I actually did fall asleep half way through. Woke up to Maria Hill or someone being shot at the end.

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Hmmm I’ll try

[@RileyTaker]

@@RatedAwesomeso did I. I watched the first episode two days ago, and I still can’t remember anything about it other than it being boring

[@DaveTheWraith]

I'm getting Falcon and The Winter Soldier vibes from it, yep, I think its going to be THAT bad

[@chasehedges6775]

Man, that show sucked. And this will probably be even worse

[@pgorodiloff]

"Do better Putin" Nick Fury

[@TheDalinkwent]

Much worst....Falcon Winter solider at least had a few moments of promise...this show dogged by boring and routine writing. Most scenes are charactsrs talking in rooms and take away the aliens and MCU involvement and its every other spy show youve seen a million times.

[@SuperNeos2]

At least Falcon and Winter Soldier had US Agent trying to carry that show.

[@TheDalinkwent]

@@SuperNeos2 Thats exactly why I give F/WS a few more notches. John Walker made the show watchable at least.

[@C64_Mat]

Clarke is good in small films, like the one where she works in a Christmas shop. Really natural. But everything else is awful.

[@chasehedges6775]

She should just Star in Indie films

[@mala6238]

​@@chasehedges6775yeah. Some actors are built for these kind of movies.

[@tonkax360]

Definitely

[@BilbaoBaggins9]

I feel like studios learned the wrong lesson about Clarke from GoT. She succeeded there because she had dragons and she knew how to play the game (as with everyone's character, neglect final season). But the lesson they took was Clarke = action star.

[@bobross1829]

Yep, she is small and very slight and not an action star type actress. She is probably more suited for a non-action TV show or little romantic comedy.

[@chasehedges6775]

The MCU has reached the point of no return.

[@CommissarChaotic]

No Way Home hahaha

[@chasehedges6775]

@@CommissarChaotic No Way Home and GOTG 3 were good but that’s it

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

​@@CommissarChaoticThat doesn't detract from the original statement of the MCU having already reached the point of no return.

[@CommissarChaotic]

@@Eidolon1andOnly yeah thats what i meant, "no way home"

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

@@CommissarChaotic Oh! That's a good one!

[@lonewolf9578]

Secret invasion is also probably the second time I’ve heard the word “Spooks” used as a slur so they really scraped the bottom of the barrel to find an obscure slur for that joke

[@PlumbingBanana]

Wooowww... thats f%cked

[@TheFatalcrest]

XD Spook is a slur? I thought it was slamg for spies

[@cristela4034]

Doesn't "spooks" mean spies? Why is it a slur?

[@Vastspartan]

@@TheFatalcrest I think its three things. A slur for black people, a spy and a ghost. But ghost and spy are equivalent

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@cristela4034If I recall, it's because dark people blend in at night, so they're spooky/hard to spot in much the same vein as the other usages

[@awesomehpt8938]

I like Emilia Clarke but goddamn everything she seems to touch these days turns to ash ever since game of thrones.

[@danjonmills]

Emilia Clarke can touch me. Id definitely go down after.

[@uriahl2331]

But the thing is, Solo and Terminator bombed concurrently with GOT.

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@uriahl2331 I believe that was the point being made.

[@emhu2594]

She is truly the queen of the ashes

[@dielo4496]

She's likeable as a person and horrible as an actor. Deal with it.

[@greent26tube]

I love how they get down to making some bold, but extremely true statements in this commentary. Disney and marvel truly is dead in the water, and it will take them years of doing the right things to come back. None of us should hold our breath or support any of this crap until they actually earn it again.

[@dielo4496]

Who is 'us'?

[@xthelegend89]

Bold? When your audience is mostly comprised of people who think Marvel sucks, it’s not not bold to say it sucks.

[@RichSmithson]

The most pathetic part of that first episode was the explanation for the Skrulls turning was “Nick Fury spent too long on a space station and they felt abandoned” 😂 Who is writing this crap?

[@Tylerpierre99]

Jeeeez 😮‍💨 Just that premise alone sounds creativley bankrupt

[@michaelkeegan9260]

Modern leftists, that's who. My daddy issues need to infuse every part of the story. It's my dad's fault I'm a mess... stand in dad must ruin stand in me.

[@ripperrex7883]

I thought Captain marvel was looking for a habitable planet for them?

[@InfernosReaper]

@@ripperrex7883 Yeah, since, ya know, she's the one who's actually *in space*

[@toeray5864]

The Skrulls shouldn't have been made the good guys but you can't go back on that now. It's too late. Fury layed it all on the line for Talos, his family, his kids, his clan, everyone. And they go back on that? You're not only retconning what happened in a mediocre film but you're just reducing the stakes to nothing too. Talos and his gang oughta be sending Fury a Christmas card every year not trying to take over Earth.

[@InfernosReaper]

I don't get how a dude with a planet to protect and no reliable access to space travel is supposed to find them a world anyway? Or, why it's even needed considering the Asgardians just opened up shop one day and no one complained

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

EP2 is much worse and will kill most people's interest off. They continue the character assassination of Fury and add in Rhodie as professional victims.

[@TheFatalcrest]

Nooooo Rhodie doesn't deserve thiiiiis!

[@MVPMVE]

​@@TheFatalcrest Unsurprising. Character hasn't been interesting since Terrence Howard played him.

[@MsYunaFires]

​@@MVPMVEhe was amazing in Iron Man 2,up to the time Tony Stark left. Now he's just... Hanging around like a reminder of the og era, just like Fury

[@sideeyed7682]

@@MVPMVEyeah they should’ve killed him off in CW, that would’ve added more suspense in the airport fight. Him being crippled added nothing new to the plot since he never really used his physical body in combat anyway.

[@RichSmithson]

@@MVPMVEyeah I only liked him when Terrence Howard played the part. Don is too much of a clown to take seriously and he’s so little.

[@dewolfeFSP]

Eric July is spot on with Mar-Vell. His history is as important as Cap.

[@Theonewithnoname85]

I’ve been saying this for YEARS regarding EC, she belongs in rom-coms. Like the Goldie Hawn & Jennifer Aniston of her generation. There’s no shame in it. It fits. Sure “Me Before You” & “Last Christmas” were both decent performers at the box office. This is what she needs to lean into 💯

[@TowKneeChee]

Most modern movies seem to see serious moments as cringe and therefore needs to insert a joke into everything

[@Sarc37]

Me Before You is unironically Emilia Clarke’s best film because the character she plays is already 90% of her actual personality.

[@lodrbyroni]

Last Christmas was a cute little romcom of hers also...

[@everythingisawesome2903]

Exactly. One of the reason that movie is unanimously adored by everyone.

[@fastd63]

You're all missing the BIG REVEAL, they all keep saying that Fury's not the same since he came back from the Snap. Look at who got Snapped and who didn't Cap, Tony, Banner. All were still capable of strategic thinking and understandable reasoning. Who did, Dr Strange: went from the Best Brain Surgeon in the world, who out-smarted an interdenominational God to barely able to tie his own shoes. Scarlet Witch, couldn't even understand if her kids were real or that brainwashing a town full of people was wrong and should have consequences. Peter Parker, made his own webbing and web-shooters and top science nerd, comes back gets fooled by a guy, when his spider-sense should have been going off the whole time. Then goes to Strange asks him to alter reality and Strange DOES it. Strange was willing to die to protect the Time Stone, but now throw reality out the door and no problem. Even when Wong(not snapped) is in his face telling him no, he goes ahead and does it anyway. People who got Snapped did not come back whole. This explains everything that happened to the MCU, it's why their all so dumb.

[@Zepher0987]

That could be interesting if someone was actually willing to write it and they stuck to it. Like anyone can erase a piece of art, but unless you know its construction fully you can never replicate it. But only the movie/show that handled that could potentially be good, it wouldn't retroactively make the things that came before not-shit.

[@erroneous6947]

You put more thought into this than Disney did.

[@LifeSaloon]

This kinda make sense

[@alabastertheunicorn3204]

I would normally agree, however, this is justification for bad writing and subpar content so no

[@Sorain1]

If these were competent writers, that would mean something and be intentionally. But it's these hacks, so it's pure coincidence.

[@Booma4142]

Fury is supposed to be the kind of guy that when he gets killed, he walks it off.

[@ff10fire666]

Tell you the truth I completely forgot about the Secret Invasion story line. I don't watch many marvel films/shows but read a lot of the comics but unlike the Infinity Wars which you've heard so much build up in the 11 years that, doesn't matter if you seen the films, read the comics or not, you knew about everything. With the Secret Invasion I havent heard a single thing about it's build up.

[@temwananinkana3419]

Watch the cartoon series, " avengers earth's mightiest heroes". They handled this story so muchh better.

[@Hard-R-Energy]

Poor Emilia Clarke. She hasn't had a hit since [the first half of] Game of Thrones.

[@gideonbrown4215]

Plot twist: Everyone involved in Phase 4 was a Skrull and that why it fell off.

[@haku8135]

The ENTIRE crux of this show, the reason it's happening, is because they MADE UP a line about Fury promising the Skrulls a planet to live on, and then just not doing anything and using them as slave labor all this time (which is the explanation for Far From Home's end scene with them) When in Captain Marvel, which is the movie where they leave to find a new planet, FURY NEVER MAKES SUCH A PROMISE TO THEM! IT'S PLANK! PLANK ACTUALLY LEAVES WITH THEM TO FIND A NEW PLANET TO SETTLE ON AWAY FROM THE KREE THREAT! So Plank FAILS to help them find a place to live, for let's remind ourselves, ONE SHIP WORTH OF SKRULLS LEFT ALIVE, and then they blame THE MAN who had NOTHING to do with this at all. They come BACK to Earth, and INSTEAD of just asking to live there, which there's a precedent for already, the Asgardians have settled on their own little plot of land on Earth, they decide as an endangered species to GO TO WAR WITH AN ENTIRE PLANET! Just in the first episode, TWO Skrulls get KILLED. There's NOT a ton of them left, so losing 2 members in one day is already a LOT. Keep in mind they're planning their world domination FROM AN ABANDONED AND IRRADIATED NUCLEAR POWER PLANT! JUST! LIVE! THERE! It's IRRADIATED, it's specifically stated they picked this place because radiation doesn't bother them. NOBODY ELSE CAN LIVE THERE, JUST ASK TO LIVE THERE NORMALLY! They can even grow Skrull FOOD, cause their plants and stuff are radiation proof too, so they have food, they have land, BUT THEY WANT TO KILL ALL HUMANS BECAUSE THEY JUST DECIDE THEY HATE FURY! It's no fucking wonder the Kree hated these assholes so much, THEY'RE GENOCIDAL MANIACS! If they can't have an ENTIRE PLANET all to themselves, they'll just KILL everyone on it! GREAT fucking innocent little immigrants you made there Marvel, at least they're not trying to take my job, JUST MY LIFE! So Talos' daughter is on the kill all humans side because her mother died, at some point OFF SCREEN and in NO way related to Earth, because THEY WERE NOT ON EARTH UNTIL JUST NOW, they were in presumably another GALAXY trying to find a nice place to live. So her mother died somehow we're never told how or why or how this matters, so she decides to kill all humans (great parenting dickwad) and I just KNOW this is where it's leading. Talos' daughter is going to replace Nick Fury. That's what'll happen. By the end of this show, Nick Fury is going to pass on the torch to her because he's old and useless now and Marvel wants to turn every character into a strong independent woman. Prepare to give me credit, cause I'm CALLING IT HERE.

[@TheDalinkwent]

Bro...your breakdown made my hate for this show even more intense. I already had so many issues, but hot damn...you laid it all out perfectly. Well done.

[@haku8135]

@@TheDalinkwent I didn't even MENTION that there's literally a galactic organization that would ACTUALLY be able to find them a new planet. Maybe not NOW because Thanos beat the fuck outta them to get the power stone, but THIRTY YEARS AGO when they actually went to look, they were definitely still around. Though to be fair on that point, it's VERY unclear what the criteria for them being safe even was. They needed the light speed engine to get past "the kree border" which is never explained. I assume they just went to a different galaxy, cause the technology already exists to traverse THIS galaxy, and they USE it in that movie so we know they had it already. Fuck that movie was so shit. But yeah, the entire galaxy and they blame the guy they've HARDLY SPOKEN TO. They BARELY interact with Fury in Captain Marvel. Mostly they talk to Plank. Oh hey. They framed the black guy.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Took ya long enough 😂😂😂

[@lightningpenguin8937]

Meanwhile, Mars is just chilling by itself.

[@LittleMAC78]

@@lightningpenguin8937 Well, yea. It's further away from the Sun. Of course it's chilling...

[@rexlumontad5644]

Imagine if Gi'ah shape-shifted into a Dragon and say, "Dracarys!" to breathe fire at her enemies.

[@Tony_409]

And then declare herself queen and find a lover whose only dialogue is "She's my queen"

[@lordkrauser]

"I don't want it." - Some Guy Who Really Didn't Know Jack Shit

[@Saeronor]

@@lordkrauser John Slow.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Since Jedi Brooks' appearance on the Bar, I've binged the majority of his channel. He's a good man with a good sense of what works and what doesn't. 😊

[@cuff2860]

His comment on "what is the Flash about" after having just watched it cracked me the hell up, I wasn't ready for that.

[@nont18411]

Jedi Brooks: “Midsommar is an overrated shit.” So controversial, yet so brave.

[@realdeal905]

i thought he was trying to do an "X-RAY GIRL" impersonation, the guy barely used up his 7 words per show

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

Never heard of him before this very minute. He needs more subs.

[@aronthedev3074]

​@@realdeal905I think part of it was just getting talked over by the others. He has a quieter voice that doesn't jump out when people start talking over him.

[@henrymach]

Secret Invasion is basically the first season of Picard

[@abhijiththampi]

Eric July's point about marvel staff using characters that they knew nothing about was on point that i've noticed so many times over the years. This tv series was such a great opportunity to reintegrate the defenders and tier C heroes and introduce spider woman. I never cared much for the other spideys but i've to admit Jessica Drew had her highest point when the Skrull Queen infiltrated the avengers impersonating her. That arc also had terrific moments like when they've finally taken over all the shield helicarriers and captured Maria Hill, and when Veranke is about to execute her, Hill reveals how Nick Fury taught her many lessons, and one of the most important was that you should never really trust anybody, and that to always use life size robots, and when Veranke slashes at her, electronic body parts fall off of Hill, revealing that it was a life size robot. That moment would have been an awesome ending scene for episode 9 of a 10-episode series.

[@silkyjohnson3346]

I watched the first episode and all I could think was "Samuel L. Jackson is 100% wearing a fake beard". I wasn't enthralled, excited, or even interested, just thought about that fake beard.

[@christiankrueger221]

What's not talked about enough is how the 4 man team - Aaron and Joe Russo, and their two writer counterparts were the reason that the MCU was able to get from lackluster Age of Ultron to culminate in Infinity War. They seemed to have kept the narrative glue and energy of the whole enterprise together. Once they left, everything's gone to shit basically, with the exception of Guardians 3.

[@kaiju115]

Wait a minute….. there was a secret invasion……must’ve been asleep.

[@imyoursuperbeast8220]

"Did you get that memo?" - Lumbergh

[@Saeronor]

Think of it this way: at least they got "secret" part right.

[@dielo4496]

This show was so secret... that nobody knew it even existed!

[@cttommy73]

Emilia Clarke is basically like every Hollywood actress. Her views are completely in line with them, as even her comic shows, and frankly, the fact she got type cast also has to do with her accepting roles based off of her GOT fame. But hey, she's not the first nor will she be the last and it's not like she isn't being paid a boat load of money to do them.

[@powermasterjazz]

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon did the Skrulls in epic fashion. Such a great cartoon series that they cancelled in favor of another inferior Avengers cartoon.

[@liamphibia]

It's like Marvel is trying to be like Winter Soldier again and better yet, Tony Gilroy's Andor!😂😂😂

[@splitz76]

Nick Fury was a badass until Captain Marvel. To elevate her character they made Fury the comic relief, and he hasn’t been the same since.

[@SalAveNU]

I think I'll watch the "Ghost Rider" episodes of "Agents Of SHIELD" today. Those ABC shows (Agents Of SHIELD, Agent Carter) are lookin' pretty good right now aren't they ? Never mind Disney+ couldn't make anything as good as the "Netflix" shows. They haven't made anything as good as those 2 ABC shows no one talks about.

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

AoS was really good. One of the only Marvel shows I watched all the way through.

[@Zepher0987]

Agents of SHIELD had no business being good, but it was. A lot of people fell of on the first season before the big reveal because it was honestly kind of boring until then.

[@SalAveNU]

@@Zepher0987 I've always thought season 1 really got going when they had to deal with the fallout from what happened in "The Winter Soldier". You had the deep dive into the fall of SHIELD. And Tom Paxton was great.

[@indiajohnson]

​@@SalAveNUBill Paxton

[@alemander_01]

MauLer hit it perfectly at the end there.

[@chasehedges6775]

He always does

[@tsutsuji1]

Drinker, you’re not going to watch Secret Invasion?!! NOOOOoooo!!! But you must! I need to watch you pile on it. 😂

[@charlesoines3538]

Boba Fett WAS changed by the Sarlacc pit. He went from a trim young man to a dad bod.

[@scottroxford5715]

Nick Fury in Infinity Gauntlet is so not phased about billions of people being snapped out of existence, he's literally on the phone with multiple countries and his reaction to all the death is "uh huh, yup, millions? Ok got it" while chewin' on a cigar. That tells you everything you need to know about Nick Fury in like a few panels.

[@Metsugolden]

I recommend John Carpenter's The Thing as a great movie of paranoia and not trusting people because they might not be who they are to add to that list of movies you guys were talking about.

[@bjrmagic1]

A classic that holds up today

[@alsmith9853]

Also with a great message

[@somenakedguy7799]

Awesome movie!👏👏

[@GojiraRising]

I will never understand Hollywood's hard on for Emilia Clarke.

[@chasehedges6775]

She’s pretty but not much else.

[@chasehedges6775]

After seeing her in Solo(2018), I totally never understood why she got this famous

[@andrewnevermind4902]

Took the words right out of my mouth. She probably gives a good blower or something. Hollywood love that.

[@TheElbowMerchant]

Beeeeeeewbs.

[@joshuabrzezinski2828]

She has the one part curse she will always and only be khalesse

[@shawnadams1965]

Really glad you invited Jedi Brooks to the Open Bar. I was unaware of him, and now I'm subscribed. Cheers Gents!

[@nhmooytis7058]

Me too!

[@ErikDeMann]

You can just strike the 'kinda' in the headline. It sucks. Period. No one is going to hold it against you, considering how much time they spent putting down yet another beloved male character, since that seems to be their only schtick. And at no point have they given us anything, that even comes close to being a valid substitute for all those erased male characters, because that would require a level of creativity that just isn't there.

[@hatuletoh]

Ive always thought Fury's reaction to getting blipped, and Sam Jackson's portrayal of it, was one of the most efficient bits of character development in all of cinema. Nick Fury can hang with super humans and wizards and aliens because he's the most hardcore motherfucker in the galaxy (or a "bad motherfucker", perhaps). And that totally comes through in those few seconds when he begins to crumble away.

[@BasementPepperoni]

I thought this show was an "A+, Homerun that was knocked out of the park by the best acting I've EVER seen. The acting chops of Larson and SLJ make Daniel Day Lewis seem like, nothing more than an amateur Soap Opera stand in." Easily the best show that I've ever seen once I got that deposit into my checking account.

[@nhmooytis7058]

😂😂😂

[@takerhulk3163]

Bri larson wasnt in this.

[@BasementPepperoni]

@@takerhulk3163 To me she was, I run her official Fan Club. Abandoned my family, career, and all other life responsibilities just so I could maintain it and protect her from the election cycle that tries to destroy her every 4 years. It's my responsibility and calling in life.

[@Grasslander]

Those are fighting words. Choose your weapon (sarcasm not allowed this time), we meet at dawn.

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@BasementPepperoni 👍

[@Telorchid]

Jedi Brooks is correct about Emilia Clarke. Very likable and charming in interviews. Some actors are absolute chameleons, and while she's capable, she's not that kind. Cast her in a way that plays to her strengths.

[@user-px7wy4bg7u]

She should be the last actress to be chosen to play a femme fatale which was her role in solo. Just get her the roles that used to belong to meg ryan or Reese Witherspoon

[@evertbunschoten2930]

"For Nick Fury, dying is just part of the game." Quite literally in Winter Soldier.

[@rossbooth4635]

They're kind of right about Emilia Clarke. I don't think anyone else saw the movie, but her best performance to date is Last Christmas, which is a pretty underrated rom-com.

[@BeardedDanishViking]

This is what happens when you tell writers and directors to deliberately ignore the source material.

[@lawtalbot]

Its funny what the whole premise for Secret Invasion is... like the Skrulls are angry with Fury ... but like what was Captain Marvel doing up until Infinity War (apparently nothing since she didnt help the Skrulls, didnt fight the Kree (guardians 2014 shows this) & wasnt fightning Thanos at all)

[@air-n-water]

SCREENPLAY TIPS FOR GOOD MOVIES: (A). Everything has to be connected to everything else; anything shown/said must be followed up on (B). Everything has to have dramatic order (rather than chronological order or logical order, i.e): 1. Exposition 2. Inciting incident 3. Rising action 4. Climax 5. Falling action 6. Resolution (C). The AUDIENCE is the main character, not the main character(s) (D). Every character has a personal goal/purpose/trying to accomplish something and having an obstacle, and every character helps or hinders the overall objective in the story AND has to have a completed arc from beginning to end (E). Writing is a process of six questions that must be answered: 1. who's it about? 2. what do they want? 3. why can't they get it? 4. what'e they do about it? 5. why doesn't that work? 6. how does it end?

[@alexfriedman918]

Guys, you are making Doggo nervous!

[@pochovilla]

With Secret Invasion, are they now in Phase Five? This blows. If they want to be adult MCU, they could have made Phase Four all about survivors of the Blip, somewhat down in Endgame. Since Disney loves stealing, they could have stolen all the stories of the past episodes of HBO's The Leftovers. They could even get the same writers or show runners to produce a Phase Four Blip Leftovers.

[@roncason1453]

Damn Drinker , IT JUST STARTED !

[@flizzight]

Sam jackson is over exposed. Every franchise, every commercial. Give someone else a chance. Say no to something homeslice !

[@Pichoniix]

I can't still believe Superior Iron Man wasn't in Multiverse Of Madness 😮‍💨 Since then my hopes with Disney vanished...

[@benjamintuck7071]

Nick Fury going from being a badass mf surviving(barely) a 10 star police chase in winter soldier to having his eye clawed out by a kitty and then being 'changed' after the snap has got to be some of the laziest writing man....

[@chasehedges6775]

2014 Nick Fury. - AWESOME 2019 - 2023 Nick Fury - LAME.

[@D4rkm00r]

Emilia Clarke. She's talented, smoking hot and completely misused used in major franchises. Her best film was Last Christmas - she was heart warming, vulnerable and genuinely moving - it really showcased her talent. If you can leverage those talents to give depth to characters in the MCU then great .... but they won't because everyone's a girl boss these days, what a waste.

[@Grasslander]

I like the hint toward Phase 6 where they're all in high school fighting anti-alien racism and people who think mothers are women and fathers are men.

[@whitelionbar]

Anything Emilia Clarke gets cast in becomes cursed 😭

[@pipehelix5776]

They went from bringing a Who that was iron man before the movies to be worldwide recognized and beloved, to dragging one of the most liked arcs on marvel comics to the ground

[@shesellssanctuary1601]

A smart studio would secretly watch you guys and take notes. As a life long fantasy and sci fi fan, and avid movie watcher, your assessment and suggestions are sound and outline alternative plots I’d love to see in a movie.

[@cyberspark4206]

I have to add I live two towns over from an active nuclear power plant 1. The actual plant is huge and has a massive white tower you can see when you first enter the town 2. There is a designated road to travel in a worst case scenario There is absolutely no way that would be hard to find.

[@cyberellawho876]

such a frikkin waste and spooks is a name for a spy

[@ajclements4627]

It’s also a racial slur, not used too much today, but a slur nonetheless.

[@Arthas30000]

Honestly though, it was clear they were gonna drop the ball on this ever since Cpt. Marvel and Spiderman: Far From Home. They made the Scrulls good characters and allies of Fury and the Avengers. So there's no surprise this is a mess.

[@micturner8193]

They will try to explain away the whole "Nick Fury was changed by the blip" thing by "revealing" that he was replaced by a Skrull during Endgame

[@gingerkatherina]

The only casting ever that made absolute sense for Emilia Clarke was "Me before you". Her aura is way to bubbly and cute for anything else. I don't even know how they ever considered her for game of thrones in the first place. She did surprisingly well and it worked out by the end but if I'd spoke to her in the casting process I wouldn't be even close to imagining her in a role like this in the first place. People in these positions have weird visions 😅

[@mistymouse6840]

It was Captain Marvel who went off to look for a homeworld for the skrull, and evidently failed to find one, not Nick Fury. Why don't we blame her?

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Am I the only one laughing from Rippa looking directly into th camera? Dude is hilarious

[@Shapershift]

I hope there`s some twist that Fury is a Skrull, because his behavior in this show is pathetic.

[@DasZuberRevisits]

They couldn’t find a home for any skrulls, but in an instant they found a home for all the remaining Asgardians? Yay for inconsistencies!

[@kimonorising727]

I wonder if we’re getting the tired old man trope because Logan did so well. He was an old man who didn’t seem to care anymore and yet that movie was incredible. It’s like everyone tries to clone that movie and fails to see what made it so special.

[@arturobenavides6142]

Is Emilia Clark that bad of an actor? Lol I never seemed to have problems with her in games of thrones and the Solo movie tbh…