Drinker's Chasers - The Hollywood Bubble

[@rahkuaschount]

The fact that they *kill Indy's son* should be at the forefront of all discussion. *Killing Indy's son* is an obvious attack on the audience and it is totally unnecessary... unless your objective is to destroy and demoralize. Killing Indy's son is done to erase Lucas - and us - and is a hateful attack on family and legacy.

[@noylj1]

Evil only destroys. So, evil gets Indy divorced and son killed and the evil wahmen goes off to bigger things

[@tbk2010]

They killed young John Conner too. Can't have a male next generation.

[@chrisbutler1668]

Let's not forget that nobody liked the movie when it was released, even Speilberg was full of contempt talking about Lucas's nonsense ideas while "promoting it", including opening an Indiana Jones movie with him locked in a trunk (which apparently was a strange obsession for Lucas, and his first idea for the script was Indiana Jones locked in a "haunted house" with actual ghosts) instead of the formula for every film in the franchise to have a separate set piece to introduce the character. Let's not pretend that "Crystal Skull" was nothing more than a heartless cash grab it truly was. "PART TIME" just says it all.

[@thebigidea9659]

And they made sure that boy died in fucking Nam. Thats just cruel. Couldn't just have him make something of himself or add to his character.

[@jkdbuck7670]

As someone else said, they killed Mutt off and parachuted Fleabag in there to be Female Mutt. I won't watch.

[@tominator6684]

"Hollywood is not filled with people who want to have fun. It is filled with people who have an agenda." Agreed, Chato.

[@cbabula5662]

In a more just time and world, such words should be engraved with a bust of the speaker. Preferably in a museum.

[@JayaMadhavadas]

100 %. and DISPICABLE

[@sharkdentures3247]

The fact that they had Pheobe KNOCK OUT Indiana Jones, is the absolute Final Straw for me! I still remember Indy "Tanking" punches from a GIANT, muscle bound, German mechanic! Sure, he would get "wobbly" and fall onto his butt, but he REMAINED CONCIOUS! And I am expected to BELIEVE that Waller-Bridge KOed him? S*&k my D*&@#$%!

[@cokemaster3710]

tbf harrison ford is older than some of the artifacts he was digging up in the first couple movies. still cringe, but old man not being able to take a punch is realistic to a degree

[@martindixon54]

​@@cokemaster3710 Realistic if it was Gina Carano doing the punching, Phoebe not so much.

[@cokemaster3710]

@@martindixon54 again harrison ford is a frail old man. pretty sure a shopping cart rolling over his foot would cause it to break. not saying it isnt cringe to have her knock him out, just saying its not this unrealistic feat you think it is

[@6581punk]

@@cokemaster3710 Frail old man? I bet he's having a better time than you are. He's a pilot and enjoys flying his plane for starters.

[@cokemaster3710]

@@6581punk didnt he crash land one of his planes? when you get old you become weaker, this is common knowledge

[@ExtraterrestrialsareReall]

Vote with your wallets. Just boycott all disney related trash. It's toxic.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

^ this. All of you, do this.

[@tektoniks_architects]

You're very late to the party. Stopped paying any money to Disney after the insult of The Last Jedi, and have never gone back. No Marvel, no Star Wars, no streaming, no ESPN, no ABC.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Not only Disney. Don't Give Money To People Who HATE You. Read that book. Get out of the pop cult...

[@watts18269]

@@daveg1394it’s not that hard. As far as I’m aware I’ve not given Disney a penny since endgame in any way whatsoever.

[@kwazhims3lf]

@@tektoniks_architects havent been to a movie since 'isle of dogs'... when was that? march/april 2018?

[@planetbob6703]

Remember, people: Don't hate watch movies. If they get enough numbers they get to call it a success and may even make more. Don't feel obligated to watch it just because it has the name of a franchise you like slapped onto it. Don't watch it just to see how much you'll hate it. That's how we got here in the first place...

[@GIBBO4182]

You may as well talk to the wall. So many people still watch the shit movies and tv shows because of FOMO - fear of missing out…they don’t want to be the person that HASN’T watched it, so they all end up watching it! Sheep mentality

[@bernardvc5820]

if you must hatewatch, do it via means -if possible- so that it doesn't show up in their numbers

[@anubiset20]

I mean, you can go ahead and watch it. Just, y'know... Yar har fiddle dee dee style

[@afelias]

Might as well sail the seas so you can not pay but also knowingly badmouth it That way they lose both any "grassroots attention" in the marketing and the sales figures at the same time. Avoiding hatewatching is nice, but not if it engenders passivity.

[@CTA12356]

Hate watching is a myth

[@noylj1]

Kathy got what she wanted, made lots of money, lots of yes-wahmen telling her how great she is and, if ever fired, she almost certainly has a golden parachute that you could only dream of

[@O1OO1O1]

She deserves a golden shower.

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

[RE: 24K 🟨🚿.] 😁😄😅 Oh, NO, you DIDN'T!

[@HerculesBallsInc]

I'm not sure that IS what she wanted. Because she could have gotten all that by making mediocre movies and people wouldn't have been calling for her head. I think she really did want to be seen as the 'real genius' behind Lucas and Spielberg. I think she wanted to put her feminist ideology front and center. And while she succeeded at the second, she obviously failed at the first. She can pretend her yes-men are right, but I think she must know deep down inside that she's garbage, and the proof of that is that Lucas and Spielberg can go anywhere and she hangs on to her job with a death grip. The second she is out of her position, she will be remembered only with scorn. The cash will cushion that fall, but like Ellen DeGeneres falling out of even the pretense of public favour is a nightmare she never wants to confront if she can help it.

[@erroneous6947]

Also she’ll forever have the “I girl bossed to close to the sun and the patriarchy was jealous.” Excuse.

[@nedelwre]

she need a train ride an a shower at the last station

[@timmoman]

That Chato quote about Rings of Power is very accurate, as artist myself I know the pain of polishing the same piece hundreds of hours, you become blind and think it’s a masterpiece even in reality it might be a steaming piece of artistic turd

[@m.j.mahoney8905]

When you see yourself falling into that pattern, stop, leave it alone for a week and come back with fresh eyes. The amount of times I've polished a scene until the paint came off...

[@Trisket]

I'm the complete opposite. The longer I work on a project the more I hate it and the less confidence I have in it.

[@als3022]

Yup taking a week is best. Also have a set number if polishes. I will edit my story 5 times. After that hand it to the editor and proofreader.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

​@@TrisketOh so much this

[@Ilyak1986]

This is why AI is great. Any individual piece gets produced far faster, leading to less attachment to any one instance, and being judged more on a whole body of work.

[@MsYunaFires]

This crap makes me ashamed to be a woman. I HATE this trend of 'Mary Sue knows better than all men'. It's so gross.

[@Valen-xu2wy]

If your ashamed of your being a woman. Imagine how men now feel about women in movies.

[@MarvinHartmann452]

Tearing down a group don't makes another group better. That's what they don't understand.

[@mrawesome669]

Thank you sister, we are the Ying to eachother's Yang, but modern Hollywood wishes to have us hate and turn on eachother for their political gain. We exist to help and foster eachother to a better world, it's sad what they are doing.

[@ObsessedwithZelda2]

It doesn’t make me ashamed of Being a woman, but boy has it made me start doubting in the competence of women :s don’t knock me into sexism !!! I know most women aren’t like the insecure women making these things ! Ugh, hate it

[@writerpatrick]

And women in Hollywood speak for all women.

[@Falconlibrary]

I taught for years in Los Angeles, including an exclusive private school where Mark Hamill's two lovely kids were my students. I also taught in Beverly Hills, etc. I once asked one of my students from a "movie star family" (two famous parents) how much she thought an Uber driver earned. "Not much," she said. "Probably only $100,000 a year."

[@radhiadeedou8286]

What is the purpose of this story?

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

To illustrate how *LAMENTABLY* out-of-touch (with the value of a dollar, and SIMULTANEOUSLY the concept of how the real world operates) the movie star's daughter was.

[@thieveryguitars6206]

Yeah. But how old was the kid? We grew up poor and I had no concept of money either.

[@apk4381]

Just making stuff up for likes.

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

@@apk4381 "Opinions vary." --- Dr. J. Dalton.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

I suggest people read Bib Iger’s book from a few years ago. Using the death of Steve Jobs to convince George Lucas to sell Lucasfilm to Disney is Palpatine levels of evil.

[@karanvirkooner1993]

exploiting the death of Steve Jobs to convince George Lucas into selling Lucasfilm is reprehensible

[@xLeeroycranex]

I'm surprised people don't recognize how Frank Underwood-like he is. Guy really wants to be President of the US, someday, too.

[@hebanker3372]

What do you expect from a Jew?

[@faithcastillo9597]

As a child of the '60's, growing up watching the original Star Trek crew, I always believed that the show was about humanity becoming the best they could be. Never would I have thought it would become a depressing reflection of the mundane and narcissistic period of time we presently live in.

[@mistergrool3941]

It's funny how, nine times out of ten, OG Star Trek was pretty spot on when showing how an improved human society dealt with contemporary issues at the time. For example, the space hippies were portrayed as morons, the communist societies were flawed at the core, and humans dealt with anger and revenge properly regarding other people like the Gorn. Nu-Trek just takes whatever "progressive" and "diverse" opinion that's in vogue at the time and runs with it, as if american leftists are already the ideal society. How sad.

[@Lonovavir]

I don't consider anything after Enterprise canon. I call the JJ Abrams stupidity Dark Trek.

[@Astavyastataa]

It was always progressive propaganda that said there were great parts of it, especially Khan.

[@KrazzeeKane]

Wow, Chato is probably the single greatest guest I've seen on these shows, I genuinely mean it. His insight from his time as an executive is so spot-on and accurate, as well as highly illuminating in regards to how these projects are viewed from the inside. He puts the points regarding Kathleen Kennedy so succinctly and accurately, I want to high-five the man myself lol. You can tell he has been around the inside of the machine itself, and has that real behind-the-scenes knowledge from actual *experience* . I really hope he continues to be brought on for these discussions, I very much enjoyed him as a guest!

[@captainz9]

My only disagreement would be that Smokey the critical doggo is the best... Chato is a close 2nd though. 😁

[@superturkle]

i love chato, hes positive and experienced in addition to being a funny guy

[@GoodForYou4504]

True. His experience in the industry brings a lot to the conversation.

[@Angrenost02]

I'm on the fence with Chato because he had a really terrible take on Arcane a while ago, but I'm willing to give him a second chance.

[@Sam_T2000]

I remember he complained that _Andor_ didn’t have any nudity when Cassian went to the brothel in the opening scene…

[@cognitivedissidents4642]

Spielberg’s omission of KK during the L.A. premier of the movie was a stunning public rebuke. I think things have deteriorated in Hollywood to the point the competent people have to start speaking out, whether they want to or not.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

Not to mention what happened in Cannes when Johnny Depp entered the room. What was it? 7 minutes of standing ovations? That's the movie industry outside the US telling Hollywood that they don't care about Woke, cancel culture and everything Hollywood wants to be about.

[@Loki1701e]

You got a link to the video for that?

[@cognitivedissidents4642]

@@Loki1701e You can find it shown and discussed on a recent post by Midnight’s Edge.

[@JR-ej9up]

This is a good take.

[@incurableromantic4006]

I've discovered so many other more interesting and more fulfilling things to do with my time since I essentially abandoned new TV and film. I started working out, I started writing for fun, I've read a ton of books, I've played some fantastic video games. You don't have to consume this stuff people - they need us, we do not need them.

[@rawbhl]

Here here! One would almost call it liberating!

[@shahman76]

Here here! I’ve rediscovered the joy of reading, and discovered new hobbies now that I’m not spending money and time on film and tv.

[@charleslindeman2169]

Been saying this for years. If they want to keep telling their audiences to fuck off, people are.

[@georgeh4171]

Same here, I just need to wean myself off of KZbin abit, I watch far too much. Hobbies are very good for your mental health especially when you can have mini victories each day. I started doing wood work recently.

[@shahman76]

@@georgeh4171 long form KZbin content my man. Goes great when you’re working at a hobby. Could give you some recommendations if you like.

[@squidikka]

Chato is a real Chado. His insight is great, as someone with actual experience in the industry. I hope to see him more often, he should be a regular.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

i kinda feel bad for him. he has skills, experience, knowledge but he got pushed away by the industry and replaced by activists

[@rubbishopinions6468]

I'm not a doctor, but wouldn't knocking out someone who's barely holding on after being shot in the chest actually kill them?

[@noylj1]

Not in Hollywood

[@mattrowntree9369]

They've been doing it to all of us in the audience for years.

[@alexgillis9446]

It wouldn't help...

[@retrofuturistic8]

Strong Female Character who has never had a single day in med school can do heart surgery better than any male cardiologist.

[@EricDMMiller]

I WENT TO KATHLEEN KENNEDY MEDICAL SCHOOL

[@writerpatrick]

Star Trek portraying the IT department badly is an attack on their own fanbase.

[@sirazazeloflowkey6424]

Yeah. This made me wonder ; Did they make A.I. Writing programs as a form of revenge? 😂

[@FatNorthernBigot]

It's great to see Chato on this chat. It's his time! Honestly, his channel brings the funny.

[@manuelpatino7863]

It's been a win-win for Ford ever since The Crystal Skull and The Force Awakens. He cashes his massive cheque, can be as lazy as he wants, mumbles his lines here and there, sometimes he doesn't even bother with shaving 😂and just lets the nerds and fans destroy Lucasfilms and Kennedy for how terrible the movies are. Genius! 🙌

[@whenpigsfly8178]

That's an optimistic take. It's either that or it's weird 'elder abuse adjacent' oldsploitation films like the recent spate of crud movies that Bruce Willis has been in. Although Bruce Willis has at least been getting his payday, it's more oldsploitation of his old fans that will watch that drek.

[@sergiogonzalesYT]

This is Ford's golden pension 😀

[@agarsorchids7708]

Yes, nobody seems to call out him, but he is as guilty as everybody else. What a despicable human being!!!

[@biffmercury]

@@whenpigsfly8178Cashed the check for BLADE RUNNER 2049, and basically played Harrison Ford, instead of Rick Deckard. He just played grumpy old Harrison Ford.

[@TheRowlandstone73]

Ford's been doing that for the last 30 years. When you think of the amount of dross that he's been in, it baffles me how his reputation of being one of the highest paid, bankable movie stars ever has stayed so intact for all these years.

[@GuyIncognitoable]

Spielberg absolutely embarassing KK on stage was the most amazing thing ever

[@rgerber]

where?

[@gilalvarado9237]

Having worked as a worker bee in the film industry, it was always amazing to us how much people would continually fail but always climbed up higher in the industry. We would say "You can only F-up in the film world."

[@verilyheld]

Also in politics. Boris Johnson of the UK is a prime example.

[@bcdside]

Old School Kevin Smith had to pitch his “Superman” script to producer Jon Peters, who was once Barbara Streisand’s hairdresser. “Because in Hollywood you fail up.”

[@mauvibauer1828]

Chato, you are so spot on. Hollywood is power people holding meetings and making decisions based on what they think will appeal to their like minded friends (if they still have any.)

[@PeakDennisReynolds]

They all earn wayyyyy more money that most of us normies ever will but I can guarantee we're all living happier lives because of how fake, empty and toxic their lives must be.

[@eloquentsarcasm]

Indy had THREE wonderful movies that ended things perfectly, he repaired his relationship with his father, had the love of his life at his side, his best friend, and found the greatest treasure of all, learning to let go. Everything after is fanfiction at best, a cashgrab at worst.

[@TheMerts14]

And wasn’t he supposed to live forever after drinking the holy grail lmfao

[@alexvesper7820]

His love interest died at the end of Last Crusade. Indy rode into the sunset with his father and Marcus Brody. Maybe Sallah too, I have to watch it again. And if the grail knight was any indication, he could still grow old, and he probably needed to regularly drink from the grail and/or stay behind the seal to actually be immortal. I would say, as much as I consider Indy 4 to be an inferior movie, its ending was not its problem. It had many, many problems, but its ending was not one of them.

[@tallerwarrior1256]

Indy 4 was honestly a good epilogue to the character. Sure it had its issues but it’s good that Indy was able to finally settle down with the love of his life after having one last adventure that tested his beliefs and wits as he struggled to adapt to the current sociopolitical time. It strikes every Indiana Jones movie beat in vain of Raiders and Last Crusade except for not coming to standard with the original three films.

[@puma59graciefighter]

Let's not get carried away. 1 & 3 are great classics. Temple of Doom is garbage. Kingdom of Crystal Skulls is bad, but not as bad as people say it is. Temple of Doom is far worse. Dial of Destiny is probably going to be woke garbage from what most are saying.

[@brokenfingers9607]

“The love of his life” She was just some teenage girl he banged when he was younger, and sought out later because she had something he needed.😅

[@petergunn7039]

For the actors buying in to what they are making, they are working on disjointed segments with multiple takes, without the added folly, music score and likely being told a lot that "it will be fixed in post". If they are using their imagination to fill in background detail that isn't there on set, easy to understand that their imagination is telling them it's better than it really is. On the flipside look at the making of "A New Hope", cast and crew thought they were working on a "B" grade drive-in movie that wouldn't amount to anything, in a time when Sci Fi wasn't big.

[@bcdside]

“Hollywood disdains Flyover Country and the people who live there. Which is really stupid on the studios’ part because there’s a huge amount of money to be made there.” - John Milius, 2020

[@Anayoth]

Oh absolutely, the difference between Los Angeles and rural Ohio is that the people aren’t socialist dipshits.

[@joehenry9546]

The quote at the end from Chato about the directors guild is spot on. I’m sure there is a lot of criticism behind closed doors among directing peers. The problem is they don’t probably share that constructive criticism with Kathleen Kennedy. She’s either too stupid or hell bent on her agenda to care.

[@johnnhoj6749]

Some will share honest opinions with the few they can really, really trust. Sharing a wrongthink idea with the wrong person can end your career. Even so, what's a like-minded person going to say? Most of the faults aren't about a dodgy bit of cutting or a mis-firing scene, they are about the fundamental DNA of the script and you can't just fix that easily even if the studio would let you - which they wouldn't.

[@bradwart]

She wouldn’t listen to any of it anyway. We know from leaks that Spielberg wanted Lucas involved, then it didn’t happen. Then he tried to get a script done with his guy, KK kept rejecting. It’s why he walked away and refused to direct it.

[@RM_VFX]

We've seen her axe many people over "creative differences" .

[@SqueakingLion]

Star Trek was originally the show intended to celebrate equality and harmony, the ability for humanity to ignore all prejudices and work together for a greater whole. This "modern" Star Trek is a sickening parody of its former self.

[@josephsalmonte4995]

The programming is so disgusting & the reasons behind it so evil that Im starting to despise anybody who watches their crap now.

[@cokemaster3710]

you despise drinker? why do you watch then?

[@staceya5149]

For every viewer that chugs the soy, another gets red-pilled. My son is only eight and he's very aware that the 'boy characters' are being treated badly in a lot of media. There's a new generation coming up that can see through The Message and understands that it's against them personally.

[@Mouse_Metal]

@@staceya5149 Even kids have some half-developped moral compass and can recognize when the characters are treated unfairly.

[@SirBlackReeds]

"I wrote _The Dilbert Principle_ around the concept that in many cases the least competent, least smart people are promoted, simply because they’re the ones you don't want doing actual work. You want them ordering the doughnuts and yelling at people for not doing their assignments-you know, the easy work. Your heart surgeons and your computer programmers-your smart people-aren't in management. That principle was literally happening everywhere." - Scott Adams

[@wumpusrat]

I remember seeing a video of an interview someone was doing with one of the people working at Lucasfilm, back before the trilogy started, and they were walking through the cubicle area. There was more than one with pictures of the various main characters, and Luke's face was always crossed out. They wanted to axe him from the start.

[@Mementomori292]

@Sprocket List 🇬🇧 You are missing the elephant in front of you, Luke is the worst thing that might happen to the woke disney, Luke is a positive straight white male character. There is nothing worse than that.

[@jackmesrel4933]

​@Sprocket List 🇬🇧 He was too strong of a character, if you they left him intact Rey and the new ones wouldn't have been able to take center stage with how little presence they have. And we know KK can't have her wish fullfil- I mean, "strong female character" be lesser than a man, so it was inevitable

[@alexedwards6509]

@@Mementomori292 You're right. That's the very point of remaking culturally important films. To destroy the old characters. Destroy the concept of heroism. Destroy the past. If it were just a couple of activists destroying a couple of franchises, eventually the money men would step in. But instead they do it over and over and over. It's called cultural Marxism and they will never stop until there is literally nothing of our culture left. And if Marxism doesn't sound as evil as Nazism, guess again. virtually identical

[@DamienDarkside]

@SprocketList Luke was the average life of the majority of Americans, regardless of color. You're held to the expectations of your parents (or his adoptive parents with Aunt/Uncle) while also dealing with the naivety of youth (Luke just wants to race). He was flawed and had to grow through his experience throughout the film, and had to face his fears and insecurities. He had to mature, take responsibility, and grow up in order to find his place in the world. That is all against modern thought. You need to be from a marginalized group or the majority of the population apparently can't bond with you. You have to place responsibility on others for mistakes made. You are naturally gifted at everything and just have to find your "inner power" that was inside you all along! Personal growth is an incredible toxic trait that only leads to self-doubt and hatred apparently! That is modern storytelling. No white men allowed.

[@wavegun]

Chato: "Star Trek is just another agenda." Exactly, Chato! Spot on!

[@bobhopemaryjane2]

The fallout of the failure of the Star Wars trilogy was unusual in that the only consequence of this disaster was that no more movies have been made. Star Wars was punished and the people behind the failure have all been rewarded and given more opportunity to punish Star Wars.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

Well, and the death of it's merchandise. Let's not forget that Star Wars could have made much more money that way, but that's something they killed off. Sadly no one calculates the money not made.

[@Gunleaver]

I remember this really old, made-during-WW2 movie, where James Cagney played a stage producer & actor. At the height of his success, he is asked to what he attributes his great box office and his response is "I'm just an ordinary guy who knows what ordinary guys want to see." (He was not an ordinary guy, he was a show business baby, raised in show business and initially isolated from ordinary guys, until he pulled his head out of his ass and made an effort to empathize with others). Later on, after receiving a lot of flak from critics for pandering to audiences and just making simplistic fare for the lowest common denominator, he decides to make a show with none of his go-to elements, no pandering or feel-good stuff, just to show that he can write quality shows and make Great Art. When he gets the initial reviews, which pan the show, he is furious, but he is also told by his partner, bluntly, that audiences hated it and people were walking out. Nonetheless, he decides to take out ads in all the entertainment sections of the papers next to the critics' columns and reviews, saying that he would call them liars, and that the theater-going public would believe him. But when he starts to dictate the text of his ad, in the format of an open letter to potential audiences, instead of hyping the show, he says "it's a bad play. We have a bunch more performances scheduled ... please miss them." At the end of the day, when push came to shove, he valued his relationship and reputation with the audience and customers, more than his own pride. And at the end of the movie, when he satirizes the President of the US, he is called to the White House, and expecting the worst, is awarded a Congressional Gold Medal in recognition of his lifetime efforts (the American equivalent of an entertainer getting knighted). Despite his inability to make "great art" he is told that the same things for which the critics ridiculed his work, were actually what mattered to regular people, and inspired them, and his overall body of work is deemed by the very leader he was poking fun of, to be worthy of recognition as service to his country. Pretty sure the messages of this film would be lost on most of Hollywood.

[@the6ig6adwolf]

"It's time for your next dose of shit boys" -The Drinker 2023

[@princessofthecape2078]

I see the Indy movie flop as the ultimate litmus test for Disney's handling of Kathleen Kennedy. If she survives this, it means she's unfireable - she will be there until she resigns, and she will select her own successor. If they terminate her, we'll know there was an actual line in the sand. Sadly, my money is on the former.

[@sleepinglionarchives]

The sad, broken old man trope is in everything they do. Even smaller scale productions like The Mighty Ducks streaming series they shot a year or two ago where Emilio's Coach Bombay was brought back as a broken old man who needed a strong female character to show him how to live again. Side note, I friggin' hate Ortegas. I tend to tune in because I find Christine Chapel hot

[@mrw1783]

While in the Creed films, Stallone and Jordan help each other and grow together.

[@manuelpatino7863]

​@@mrw1783It was a trash trope in the Creed films too, not gonna lie.

[@guy38853]

Wow😮. I could have gone without knowing that.

[@ryanhutchins2634]

They even wrecked Gordon Bombay?

[@manuelpatino7863]

@@theruemorgue1048 Letting himself succumb to cancer and being estranged from his son... again. Undoing everything the other films, even the very previous one had achieved until Michael B. Jordan arrives. I pass. I love Rocky but that's not him, it's just some old, bitter bum. ✌️

[@cameron120587]

Velma has not been given a second season. The average HBO cartoon season is 18-22 episodes. Velma season 1 is ten episodes. So HBO just took the budget for one season, cut it in half, and called it two seasons.

[@Attmay]

Saturday morning cartoons used to do 13 episodes a year.

[@machupikachu1085]

This. They just call it season 2 for marketing. Most of the second season has already probably been animated to a large degree.

[@olivercrespo2329]

Animated movies have come back in a huge way and have been outclassing their live action counterparts in both taking real narrative risks and pushing the boundaries of their genre. Recent films like Puss In Boots and Across The Spiderverse have pushed the medium of film forward in my opinion. I find live action blockbusters have literally all become the same film.

[@DanishWistara]

Even when there is a little bit of wokism in Across The Spiderverse, it's overshadowed by how good of a movie it is

[@daimahou3951]

@@DanishWistara Because the movie didn't want to bombard you with "This thing is the greatest thing ever!" over and over. It instead told a story.

[@frankie3010]

​@@DanishWistara not sure that's possible.

[@alexedwards6509]

@@DanishWistara A little bit of wokism is like saying "A little bit of cancer". Don't let them get better at hiding the fact that they hate you. They use the profit from one to groom your kids in another

[@Sigurther]

@@DanishWistara that little bit? That's what's ALWAYS been in films, to some degree: "Hey, there are issues in this universe that reflect some of ours, but they're just bits of this movie, not what the movie is centered around." Most movies these days are "Hey, social issues are important so sit down and shut up while we hamfistedly jam them down your throat, bigot." Your examples just demonstrate that Hollywood CAN make films that are both good and address these things subtly and intelligently. Sadly, such instances are getting fewer and further apart.

[@looinrims]

That last line is what morons online miss, media doesn’t get criticism because people hate it, it’s because they want it to improve. Professionals in any industry should* always be looking for some criticism just to make sure they’re grounded

[@dwilliams21]

I appreciate that Drinker lets Mr. Chato explain without interrupting.

[@robertfarrow5853]

Disney bought a boat.They thought it was a car. So they tried to put wheels on it. One by one the wheels fell off. They are still going down the freeway, scraping the butt off the hull.

[@jonslade17]

The funny thing is that in Logan, he was a sad and broken man, but it worked and fit the story perfectly. It also had an amazing resolution. Idk if James Mangold was trying to do that here but..

[@Will_Parker]

I know Shia took a break from acting but the fact they didn't focus on Mutt having an adventure and needing his dad to help him out or be a mentor is absolute idiocy.

[@Ryan-vl2nn]

Thanks Chatto on the heads up for season 2 of Strange Worlds. Honestly I can’t believe that I actually watched the first season. I’d cancel my Paramount + account, but I still do enjoy watching actual quality content from their predecessors. But it does pain me that my Paramount + subscription makes them feel that I’m actually interested in their Larry Fink desired content; Their BlackRock-focused tax credit garbage that has permeated Hollywood for the last several years at the least. But I’m doing my part. Last film I saw in theatres was Avengers: Infinity War. Last Star Wars film I saw in theatres was The Force Awakens. So they’ve got a freakin’ Everest of a mountain to ascend just to even get a notion of slight interest in their dubious corporate-safe products. And shocker…no way in Hell am I seeing Indiana Jones and the Insufferable Feminist Droid from Solo. Or should I say The Insufferable Feminist Droid from Solo co-starring Indiana Jones.

[@alejandrotorresriquelme8714]

I saw the force awakens with the girlfriend I had at that time. She asked me what did I thought about it. First it was fine, but had a weird taste. Like a refrozen icecream, is sweet, but there is a chunk of ice there that taste like the fish and meat at the side on the freezer

[@alejandrotorresriquelme8714]

In the defense of the droid, droids are more compelling that that wanna be frida khalo

[@PhillipOnTakos]

You wanna know something crazy. If you take the total screen time of Anakin/Vader. Who has to the most screen time of all the character in the 6 original films Rey beats him in total screentime in 3. Yeah they pushed her so hard that the previous lead of a trilogy and the main antagonist of another was usurped in screen time by a plank of wood.

[@matthewbond375]

I don't care what your product is, if you've begun to demonize your customers because they're critical of the product, you're very lucky to have any customers at all.

[@scottjackson1420]

I think it's cool that I discovered Chato's channel before I ever saw him in collaboration videos with the long time content creators that I have watched. It confirms to me that my judgement is pretty good.

[@neilbaker7679]

Ditto!

[@561jeffkelly]

Excellent Vlog My Brother is a graphic designer and worked for Disney for 5 years then left cause of his own choice. Me and my Brother are from the UK and he moved out to the states for his job. I remember asking him why he left his job as to him it was a Dream job to get. his answer was he was not the right sex ie he was a straight male and felt he was being pushed to leave. He said they would have meetings and it was “cut the head off the white or Black straight male as much as you can”. He said they had a meeting once and one of the pushers was to employ more and more LGBTQ community in the Disney community nothing to really do with his department but it was being pushed he said that was the End for him cause in a office of 30 there was about 4 or 5 straight employees and as he said” you would throw a idea into the hat and you knew it was going to be rejected if it was not in line with everyone else’s. He said you are not going to turn this round cause your fighting a lost course cause the majority is the people you are fighting. Keep up the great work 👍👍👍

[@daveeyes]

I can vouch for this. Same in Silicon Valley. I got hit on by a guy at work and the boss didn't care because "10 of the 12 programmers here are gay." I did wonder why they told each other not to play leapfrog with unicorns.

[@jlokyo180]

If you have to make a big song and dance about how you're better than someone else, anyone with a lick of common sense will know the reality is the opposite. Simple as that.

[@cokemaster3710]

Tom Cruise?

[@Attmay]

Real virtue is self-signaling.

[@aksunai-99]

"The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

[@ff10fire666]

That what sucks about TV and Movies nowadays, you can't criticise someone's work in or outside of Hollywood. Do you know how people grow and improve? By learning from mistakes. You wouldn't be able to submit this quality of work in most jobs or schools without having a meeting or a poor grade. People needs to say your works sucks without being attacked (As long as its constructive criticism) and people need to stop being so defensive, thinking your work is the next timeless classic.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

Chris and Chato are my two favorite white-haired reviewers, great to see them together in a video 👍🏻

[@maxbants7737]

This was a really great episode; having both Chato AND Chris Gore on was fantastic to really triangulate exactly what the fuck is wrong with Hollywood.

[@imjackm2174]

I’m so nervous about seeing Indiana Jones now with my dad, have a feeling this might break him more than kingdom of the crystal skull

[@Jay-Bee_NUFC]

Feel ya there man. I'm not seeing this in the cinema but I'm jack sparrowing it just to see how they destroy him😢

[@cokemaster3710]

so dont go see it? stop consuming product just because you feel obligated to. thats how they win

[@incurableromantic4006]

Why not go and do something with your dad that you know you'll enjoy? Go to a beer-tasting, play golf together, do go-karting, shoot some guns: whatever you want. You don't need to sully your memories.

[@iNeedaBreakdown]

Just don't go see it. Remember Indy as a great trilogy and let it go.

[@Kadejones01]

Why would you pay to see something made by people that hate you, and especially hate your dad? Captain Jack Sparrow… savvy?

[@simonhadley8829]

The bubble usually exists around movie production. The problem is when it envelopes the entire company producing the show so there's no chance of "studio interference."

[@SICProwl]

Can you imagine being one of these peoples’ kids and the embarrassment of your parent ruining a well loved franchise?

[@chrispekel5709]

They likely just don't care and probably aren't nerds. They're also rich

[@name-vi6fs]

I've worked in IT for 20 years. A couple of those years were spent supporting intel and operations people in the military. Not a single one of them had a single clue what I was doing, and they got as far away as possible when I had to fix their system.

[@MrSlowestD16]

Yeah Kathy certainly doesn't give a shit. She's just happy she made the main character female, even if the OG fanbase hates her, and even if the sequels brought in a mediocre amount of money and killed the franchise, her work is done. And I doubt it was like that spielberg meet-up where people were openly critical, nobody in Hollywood is stupid enough to call it a virtue signaling disaster. They'd be risking their careers.

[@tkps]

It's worth the risk. If they don't speak up how are they any better than her? They're actually worse. No job is worth selling your soul for.

[@MrSlowestD16]

@@tkps They know that if they're seen as not on board with the activism that they may lose opportunities in their career. They'll be seen as difficult and not a team player, and at worst, racist/sexist. It's easy to say it's worth the risk when it's not your career you're potentially throwing away.

[@poocrayon4588]

Most of hollywood are followers and always have been. Until something new and totally unwoke breaks through and makes a huge amount of money all the hacks will follow the agenda. The second that happens 70% of them will start following the new agenda.

[@Rexai89]

I have to say, I really enjoy hearing Call Me Chatos insights and opinions!

[@colorin81colorado]

Great panel, great discussion, great content... The only thing missing is that you guys are not working for a studio that could support your views... Just imagen!

[@ryanhutchins2634]

Would that I had the money to seed fund them to start making movies

[@colorin81colorado]

@@ryanhutchins2634since we now live in a twilight zone version of reality, it may still happen!

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

sir Chato . i love this man. he was calling out hollywood even before Drinker

[@thecloudtherapist]

It makes me feel sad that there's an Indiana Jones film out there that i should not be bothering to watch. What have they done to our heroes? 😞

[@machupikachu1085]

It's not as bad as the Crystal Skull, if that helps...

[@katgirl3000]

Re: believing in it. A Disney dancer from the 60s-70s told me that you start working and you get s@#t shoveled over you and it's horrible, eventually you tolerate it then it becomes normal and one day you Like it. :). This episode was so informative - many thanks!

[@bdavidson3608]

What happened to Star Trek is that Gene Roddenberry died. He was the underlying creative force that had a specific vision and framework that built TOS and TNG.

[@jackspring7709]

True.

[@Mr.E_Bodhako]

tng seemed to change around the time Gene died, it went from a sci-fi show with elements of soap opera to a soap opera with elements of a sci-fi show

[@Bidimus1]

Nope.. great bird of galaxy leaving this mortal coil made stng better and stealing b5 to make ds9 is what made st kind of watchable

[@Attmay]

Even God hated Wesley Crusher. He obviously didn’t hate Jar Jar Binks as much because George Lucas is still with us.

[@poocrayon4588]

It's true, the current feminist crap just made it even worse than it would otherwise be and insulted him, but even without that it still would have lost the magic. It's the same as Lucas and Speilbergs stuff without them in their primes. It's the same as James Bond getting slowly worse since it's creator died and the best movies always being closely based on his work. It's why the best Sherlock Holmes adaptians always follow the original stories closely and suck when they try to reivent it.

[@kirk2767]

When Smokey sleeps with his legs up in the air, I can't help but imagine Wilford Brimley coming into frame and saying, "Dog? That's not dog. It's imitation."

[@GerarddeSouza-yt3fc]

"How did Star Trek devolve into this?" How do any of these heritage intellectual properties devolve into this? Decades old beloved properties, creator sold or dead, new owners with varying relationships to the property except love, and an over-riding sense of presentism and a new generation who really think they can improve upon a classic and "fix" the culture reflected in the originals.

[@GovernorStaten]

The new people who take over don’t give a damn. Some of them will even tell you that they have not watched any of the original shows. No TNG, no TOS, no DS9 and so on.

[@GeoffryGifari]

the critical doggo's deep slumber was suddenly disturbed by the mention of velma season 2

[@davidsummer8631]

Regardless of their quality even Marvel managed to release films during and just after the pandemic the fact we haven't had a new Star Wars film since the end of 2019 might show that Lucas Films and Disney know that they dropped the ball with their Star Wars films

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol those films were trash. What's your point?

[@poocrayon4588]

They're obviously afraid of flops - wheras marvel no they have leeway with making money off total crap for a little while. Star Wars is a harder sell without the original characters, Marvel always uses the original characters as selling points so they have that going for them as regards audience interest.

[@MandatoryReporter2015]

The irony is that creators held their fields in contempt for decades. Actors only praised “the stage”: tv and movies were just cash cows to be milked. BUT, these same actors would only pretend the tv/movie was “good” for promotion reasons. Now all mediums are legitimate and no matter how objectively bad something is, a consumer “has to” like it or be labeled racist or ignorant.

[@fakshen1973]

When Chato isn't trying to be funny and talks about the industry from a serious business perspective... he shines even more. When he started talking about the directors' secret theater I couldn't believe the clip got cut off there.

[@dennisswaim8210]

I follow most of these guys' channels. So I really enjoy these multi -chats. Kind of like listening in to some of my more intelligent and thoughtful buddies conversations. Informative but due the the depressing subject matter, destruction of our pop culture, hard to call it entertaining. But do to the collective wit involved I certainly laugh and grin through alot of it. Thanks gentlemen!

[@raheemhamilton8624]

Wait isn't that elderly abuse since she punched out an 80 year old Indiana Jones?

[@silverscorpio24]

Chato's point about the artists (actors) *believing* in their project is exactly why EVERYONE on the project needs to listen to criticism. You become so wrapped up in what you're doing that you blind yourself to its flaws, and some fresh objective minds are what's needed to say, "This won't work. We don't want this." But the Hollywood bubble is so thick they think THEY know better than anyone about anything.

[@readhistory2023]

I know alot of artists and I'm one myself and none of them that are gushing over their own work. Usually what I hear out of their mouths is how they could have done this or that better and they all seemed focused on what they screwed up, not what they got right. I saw the samething when I did finish construction.

[@visitingforgefather5997]

That is the curse of all those truly passionate about art or any creative work, all they see are the flaws, but that isn't always a bad thing. It shows you grew, as you will always will. The fool who claims perfection, who refuses to admit them made mistakes will never grow.

[@kentlindal5422]

"Never hang on to mistake, just because you spent a long time making it."

[@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy]

After all of these sad, broken, old man who wants to die movies that KK puts out, I am sincerely afraid for her husband. I mean, someone should check on that dude.

[@The_New_IKB]

When this bubble bursts we must make the fallout as painful for the companies and individuals responsible for perpetuating it!

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Start with dropping KK into the middle of a Great White Shark feeding frenzy, a pod of very angry Orcas, a pride of hungry lions, or a bunch of hungry Saltwater Crocodiles!

[@The_New_IKB]

@@TraditionalAnglican give her the choice between admitting that she messed up or the plank!

[@MrHandsomeStudios]

I full heartedly agree with Smokey (The Critical Doggo)

[@seanmcclure]

For three years a lot of people in this group have been saying things are turning around. We have stayed the same course and they are turning it up. It is a very sad state.

[@dyloniusofsparta]

So many sequels made in the last 10 years need to have an asterisk beside them, with a note that says not cannon.

[@deltapag5051]

Can't wait till Disney goes Chapter 7, then sells all the franchise to other companies to re-make properly, without ulterior motives or political messages. Just good ol good movie making. Disney has jumped the shark.

[@thenecrophymm6591]

Continuation of Chato's story: Krutzman and crew appear at Terry's house, kill his dog, and steal the car back ... you know the rest.

[@peterjohnson8935]

Damn I haven't been to the cinema in ages and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

[@haukness]

at around 5:55 Chato is talking about cognitive disonence, or basically when you you are stuck with something that is bad or makes no sense but you have to do it, you convince yourself that you are doing it because you must actually like it.

[@Zenn3k]

Girl punches 80 year old man. EMPOWERMENT!

[@alexgillis9446]

Half of the fanbase left star wars after TFA. Half of the peope who watched TFA never went back to the second or third. My kids never spoke of star wars again after TFA. I bought 2 and 3 from walmart after a time. Watched them alone without telling anyone. Didnt finish either. And threw them out.

[@domm6812]

This sums up the actors in these shows very well. I've often wondered if they're just holding their tongue and playing along because if they didn't they wouldn't get work. But plenty seem so passionate that they're clearly "true believers" ...and I'd suspected that they became indoctrinated by being immersed in the extreme ideology all the time. Surrounded by it and bombarded with it until they break, and then embrace it. It's not unlike how many actual cults work.

[@atomicviking2497]

I think Chato is right. It's hard for normal people to accept, but Hollywood doesn't care if these movies fail. It's just the cost of getting the message out. It's the cost of advertising. They have a different measure of success than we do. Kathleen Kennedy *_is successful_* in her world. The rest of the world doesn't matter. Her world is what employs her.

[@erroneous6947]

Here’s my idea for Indiana Jones VI. Short round is traveling in Southeast Asia searching for some ancient jade relic. He stumbles on a POW camp, where he finds Mutt. Barely recognizable having been a POW for over a decade. They escape through the jungle adventure ensues. As shortround is knocked down the hat falls at Mutts feet, the iconic music plays and Mutt kicks ass. They find the McGuffin all is well. Leave cliff hanger at end. A couple of men in black come up to him at the airport, that say “a dead man would be a good choice for an agent.” Que music.

[@glados4765]

I went back and watched a bunch of Star Trek Next Generation episodes. Man they were written so well. Great stories in such a short time. I don't even like star trek too.

[@Contemplativeman101]

After that first season. They got pretty damn preachy in a few early episodes showing how much Gene had changed since TOS. Not all S1 episodes but some like the TNG S1 finale were a little rough to sit through

[@inkfrogrfx]

I was living in Colorado when the original Indy came out and it ran in the town I lived for 52+ weeks.

[@Zenzul]

Killing the son is to make sure they isn't another 'Indy' man. Yes, I think Lucasfilm are that batshit at this point.

[@rildsilverlok]

The bottom line is the same here as in any endevour: A good manager knows people, and knows that , as a manager; they know just enough to know whom to call to solve the requirements to get a functional conclusion. Bad management is the mindset that calls 'the help' the "help"and when things don't function it's the "helps" fault for not being able to bend reality to Bad management 'standards' The absolute failure of ' management ' is when the customer is blamed as the problem; the same way a bad salesman blames 'market saturation' for poor sales

[@TheEvertw]

"They look like Linux programmers" Objection. The Drinker looks like a Linux programmer.

[@MajesticDemonLord]

Just wanted to say that the Critical Doggo Cam is some of the best Internet based TV I've seen in a while. Better than Netflix.

[@Dack.howaboutyou]

So sad about ST Strange New Worlds... 1st season had at least 4 decent eps i thought (1, 4, 5 and 9), with a couple other watchable eps out of the first 10. It still had a little too much of that cheeky dialog and diversity but it was tolerable... and i was really happy to finally see some decent new ST after waiting for it since basically Voyager (Enterprise was alright but....) =\

[@DrMcFly28]

3:57 that's actually a pretty good analogy. Although I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it as a mere "happy incident", I think there's a rebel crew somewhere inside the empire trying to sneakily offer resistance. :)

[@Riptor25]

You know what movie did the soft reboot right? Tron Legacy. They did a great job not making the original MC a total loser.

[@bobross1829]

Call me Chato kind of nailed it with why a lot of this dreck gets "renewed". It is actually BECAUSE of economics. It is why in the past a lot of the CW DC stuff got renewed all the time too. In TV, unlike movies, you can reuse sets, software for special effects and everything for a couple years where all the costs are already done and in the can. Actors are cheap and their first contracts are for peanuts. The CW had six year contracts before the cast was mandated to get big ratings so guess when all of them lasted until? Year six. Stargirl had three year contracts for actors and guess when it was cancelled? Yep after the third season. Velma was not renewed because of quality, it is because all the big costs were done. So even if a small percent of people watch season 2, they will actually squeak a small profit out of that season and also get tax breaks depreciating a lot of the assets, etc.. so it makes even MORE profit.

[@BatalionHunter]

honestly I would love to see a Belgariad series, series of movies however current Hollywood is in no way able to even remotely handle such a film. specially because each of the gods in the book choose their peoples and I dont think they would be even remotely be able to handle perpetually drugged double dealers the snake worshiping nyissian's or the grolem priests of torak that make human sacrifices out of slaves (many of whom are purchased from the nyissians) or do a proper job handling the words of beldin who greets people with horrific curses (and expects that you put some effort in curseing him back, why because beldin is ugly and crude, he's absolutely brilliant however flowery words and complements do not fit him in the slightest)

[@ΣτελιοςΠεππας]

We're not seeing Belgariad in the big screen (or the small screen) no matter what happens. It was explicitly forbidden by Eddings.

[@evanthompson1517]

@@ΣτελιοςΠεππας That is actually good news given how Hollywood tends to "adapt" IPs

[@WilliamTheMovieFan]

A couple of things: I knew Indy would get saved by the new girl. It was predictable given the way the other established male characters have been treated. I called that a while ago. They are not only taking a financial hit on the shows and films, the merchandise is just sitting on the pegs and shelves. I saw Rose Tico figures still on the shelves of a discount store!! I saw Rey, Finn, and Poe figures too. LEGO products always sell well, but it would be interesting to see how new Indy sets sell in comparison to the recently released older sets. Iger has been cleaning the house of mouse, and I wonder if it is a first step to see if things improve. Kennedy must have serious dirt on many people to still be working.