Drinker's Chasers - The Acolyte Gets Brutally Destroyed (Again)

It truly is the worst possible time to be a Star Wars fan. The first full trailer for The Acolyte dropped this week, and it was received about as well as you might expect.

[@darson100]

Bill Burr got a better story arc as a PTSD suffering former Storm Trooper, in 15 minutes on The Mandalorian, than John Boyega got in three entire movies

[@iamtherealrauschguy]

"I wasn't a Stormtrooper, wiseass."

[@thatpatrickguy3446]

True as hell and a damn shame. I was psyched for the character of Finn after Force Awakens, because he was the only real character who seemed to have a hero's journey arc in front of him. But Bill Burr was fricking awesome in Mando, and damn he could actually act too. More range of honest emotion in his scene in the Imperial processing plant than there was from any/all main characters in the entirety of the series of Ashoka.

[@krissteel4074]

@@thatpatrickguy3446 Boyega got a 'hospital pass' for that character, probably thought yeah I can do a messed up, brainwashed stormtrooper out on a redemption arc. Nope! Here's your slapstick get tazed, chopped in the back and fall down character John, you have fun with that now!

[@kazam3527]

Mandalorian was shit too though

[@thatpatrickguy3446]

@@krissteel4074 But, hey, at least we know by the respect that they showed Finn in the movie and on the promotional materials that Disney Lucasfilm totally isn't completely racist! 🙄

[@Thenorm127]

All the fans of old Star Wars are gone and we can’t be won back

[@DJJ81]

Yes we can. It could be done, but it won’t be. It’s not that they can’t make us happy, they just don’t want to.

[@darklorddysart]

I’m still here, there are many of us oldies who haven’t been put off and enjoying this era of SW👍🏽

[@e.k.4629]

Watching disney fail is more entertaining than star wars itself lol

[@88-V-..-A-..-N-88]

No we can’t be won back, We’ll forever enjoy 1-6 and all the games and content that came with them. F*** Disney

[@iowadrummer7]

I’d rather read The Courtship of Princess Leia repeatedly than watch anything they put out.

[@LuvboneX]

20 years from now it will be taught in Business schools and management classes how Disney drove Star Wars into the ground.

[@billybatts8283]

I don't think you understand why they're doing what they are. It's not for profit.

[@lorij3786]

Every sector has DEI

[@RockDawg77]

It will be a chapter in the same book as Target's emergency meetings to relocate displays in some stores and really bad beer decisions made by totally sober beer company managers who don't like the source of their reason for existence.

[@marccreation1052]

Also Marvel, Pixar and...Disney itself.

[@ricardokojin7]

@@billybatts8283 Yeah, people still think "Not making money" is going to stop them... or that history will be told from a fair perspective

[@callmeviper7723]

Y’all see the non-binary Jedi in Tales of the Sith? Even after he was left for dead, the inquisitors were using his preferred pronouns. Can’t make this shit up.

[@superjlk_9538]

I hate when fictional media keeps reminding me of all the weirdos in the real world. I’m here to escape reality, not relive it.

[@brianmurphy6480]

Notice how all their "non-binary" rainbow warriors all look super incompetent and hyper effeminate? "It's a MA'AM, baby!" 😱

[@thatonea-hole]

​@@superjlk_9538 Nor reminded of it either

[@QuatrinaVR]

The space Nazis respect pronouns

[@RCsev070]

We got pronouns on wookiepedia. Check it and despair

[@hadtopicausername]

If someone had told me 20 years ago that in 2024, people would be going "meh" at new Star Wars shows, I wouldn't have believed them. But here we are, going "meh" with good reason.

[@Osprey850]

Arguably, it's worse than "meh." We're crossing into "ugh" territory.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

20 years? It's worse than that; it's only been a decade! The Force Awakens was released in 2014. Think about that; in the span of a mere 10 years, Disney managed to destroy and oversaturate Star Wars to the point where nobody even cares when there's a new live action show coming out.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

@@Right_Said_Brett I remember the sheer excitement and passion for new Star Wars back during those first few trailers. It's really quite tragic how almost every bit of enthusiasm has been sucked out of the franchise. And Disney doesn't have any money to show for it. Like a leech that's vomited all the blood it just drank.

[@arubial1229]

@@Right_Said_BrettTFA came out in December of 2015, so it might as well have been 2016, which means it only took them 8 years to destroy it. Honestly it only took them 2 years…The Last Jedi killed it.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

@@arubial1229 Very true. The day that I watched The Last Jedi was the day that my love and interest in Star Wars died and I say that without hyperbole.

[@Finis.Terrae]

leslye headland is not unpopular only amongst Star Wars fans,but amongst most of sane world;s population...she was rapist's personal assistant,and lets be honest,she knew everything...

[@brianmurphy6480]

Knew? Hell, you KNOW she had dibs on the sloppy seconds. 🤷‍♂️

[@kaludgo5811]

Agreed. Let's not act like she didn't bring the sheeps to the wolf and didn't know about it

[@oscargruber8582]

But don't you get it? StAr WaRs SaVeD hEr LiFe!

[@Shineinpoverty]

I like how internet never lets this information be forgotten.

[@xDarthSTYXx]

You're all idiots

[@lawrencetalbot8346]

The Acolyte is set 100 years before TPM yet has a way more diverse Jedi Order? I really want to see how all those diverse and strong female Jedi got purged to leave us with the white male dominated Order we see in Episode 1.

[@zacharylewis2802]

Spoiler: they all get clapped at the end of the show.

[@nunyabidness5375]

...whut? There were a bunch of weird aliens of both genders, Samuel L. Jackson's big black ass, Liam Neeson (deceased) and oh yeah Obi Wan.

[@nullbubble791]

​@@zacharylewis2802and if not Didney got plans for retconning the original trilogy and the prequals

[@superjlk_9538]

They existed, they just weren’t the main focus.

[@jimjam51075]

It's like Star Trek Discovery. Somewhere between this prequel and TPM they figure out that men are better at being in charge.

[@Kemot300]

"What are you?" "I'm the death of this universe!" "No way! You're Kathleen Karen Kennedy?!"

[@Uzarran]

"What are you?" "I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."

[@jmhaugen4757]

@@Uzarran We could have had five movies with one of the more interesting characters in the Expanded Universe; an everyday man who becomes a hero, then a legend, then falls and has to climb his way back. We could have "Rocky: Star Wars Edition." Instead, we got the bored Jedi dropout, a Mary Sue, a PC who only does escort quests, and "Origins of a Space Terrorist."

[@planetbob6703]

That masked guy in the thumbnail looks like "We got Kylo at home." Which is very sad since he's already the dollar store version of Vader...

[@overcorpse]

If you played any of the Old Republic games then that mask is perfectly fitting for the Sith to wear. But again, people who don't have a clue about the lore are quick to mock.

[@iamtherealrauschguy]

@@overcorpseWhat's ironic about that as well is how irreverent Disney has been towards all the old material, and yet they continue to steal from it, and often those elements are the best parts of whatever new show or media they release.

[@planetbob6703]

@@overcorpse played both kotors. There have always been maskes/helmets that looked cool and those that didn't. The point is that when you want people to get excited you probably shouldn't make your villain look like the discount version of discount Darth Vader.

[@planetbob6703]

@@iamtherealrauschguy exactly. They rip off parts from better stories and make inferior copies. The zombies in Deathtroopers were terrifying while the ones in Ahsoka were slower stormtroopers...

[@paulcarmi8130]

​@overcorpse what a comment. You just assume that he didn't know, maybe he did know 😂 fid you ask him? 🤡

[@dwbrannon]

Let's not forget that one of the main reasons original SW was so great is because Lucas knew his Joseph Campbell. He dipped heavily into the deep well of mythology and produced a story that transcended politics. It was about good and evil, love and redemption. All that good stuff. Modern star wars only has one message. It is THE MESSAGE.

[@pittland44]

Well said. The problem is that none of these people know any good stories, much less any of the psychology behind them (a la Joseph Campbell or Jordan Peterson) and it severely limits what they can do.

[@monkeyinapanzer]

Thing is Star Wars was very much going to be a THE MESSAGE film at one point. Only real difference is that it was going to be THE MESSAGE of its era IE post Vietnam Nixon era America. The empire especially was just supposed to have alway been around with a long line of puppet emperors that didn’t actually have any power as the military and the industrial complex drove the empire and its pointless wars. Vader was just some guy in a suit that died at the end, the empire was just a poorly disguised Vietnam war allegory, the rebels where just the hippy movement. Original Star Wars would have been extremely boring as a setting since it just wanted to club you over the head with the message of its era. Speaks volumes to Lucas and the people around him ability to prioritize story telling over their ideology. And Disney’s inability to do so.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

Agree. That speech about Luke's personal journey in an wider universe was so good. It's exactly why the games speak to me more than any of the shows. The games are more about healing than becoming Jesus (Ahsoka). Genuinely, one of the things that make Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi, and Ahsoka weird for me is they're deifying of Anakin, Ahsoka, or Qui Gon. They're hardly people anymore. They are just characters, and losing their gravitas. I do NOT understand why they're saints now.

[@michaeldavid6832]

Their message is You can't base a mythology on ephemeral fads. You can only base a mythology on universal and timeless human meta-themes which resonate with people. A theme would be "love conquers all" but its meta-theme is that life is a struggle but love is meaningful and is a light among the darkness. When your meta-theme is "your segxual preference is a virtue" all the derived themes are dissonant to human audiences. The least interesting thing about someone is what they choose to do with their anatomy. It's shallow and hollow to make a virtue of a banal mechanical descriptor. When a story is derived from such an inherently valueless theme, it's as bereft of value as the theme that it supports. If your meta-theme isn't a time-tested human virtue, then your theme and all its derivatives will eternally fail to entertain any audience -- even those who believe as you do. Your pleasure at entertainment is as involuntary as your attraction to those you love. Your political philosophy is nothing against the power of your instincts... which you share with all of humanity. Thus it is that all those who preach body positivity don't practice what they preach -- they want to be desired as fatbodies while they don't desire fatbodies themselves. They don't watch it in their pr0n and they certainly don't tolerate it in their games or movies. There are many body positive vvomen in movies which male audiences are repulsed by -- but there are no body positive males in those movies. This moral hypocrisy is unsustainable in reality -- which is why movies and video game sales are collapsing. A pathological value system is unsustainable in any domain: government, society, entertainment, and so on. This is an eternal truism and any attempt to contravene that truism is DOA.

[@rodneil4734]

100%

[@kyledabearsfan]

i trust a drink from Bill Cosby more than a star wars film made by Disney

[@crusherballz]

Do you think after drinking and while you are Unconscious, Cosby would eat Jello out of your Ass?

[@Very-old-man]

Rogue one was fantastic. Just depends on who’s writing it.

[@eval7952]

I just rewatched the OGs, Luke comes from a two parent home, Anikin comes from a single mother home, it just feels so much more relevant nowadays.

[@theimaginist3310]

Whoa, I didn’t even notice that! Mind blown!!😂

[@bigdreams5554]

Luke comes from a farming community, Anakin from a repressed slave family. Mind blown

[@scottf5791]

I mean sure but Luke still deals with family related trauma and a dysfunctional relationship with his father.

[@kadalsaurus6232]

luke kissed his sister, anikin groomed by politician. mindblown

[@nungfish]

@@kadalsaurus6232 It's almost like real life.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Lucas's Star Wars: -Diversity of cultures -Individuality of outfits -Characters with flaws combined with unique traits and have challenges to overcome. Disney Star Wars: -NOTHING!!!!!!

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯💯

[@willwolf8436]

Disney star wars: fornite reskin.

[@Scoley01]

The Little Platoon is exactly right. Everything looks way too polished. Nothing looks lived in. It makes it look like cosplay. To pretty and clean to seem real. I forget who said it but it’s so true..Disney doesn’t know how to make Star Wars. They only know how to imitate what they think Star Wars is.

[@chasehedges6775]

EXACTLY💯

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s so cheap looking

[@Shineinpoverty]

They did cut many expenses when their movies started to flop. I have read about it multiple times. They are saving hard. They do on things they think we wont notice. Oh but we do. VFX, decorations, what else? Producers?

[@chasehedges6775]

They think we won’t notice but we do. Yep, the audience is not dumb

[@blackosprey2219]

Strange considering that the lived-in look was a signature style of SW that set it apart from all other scifi.

[@barrybend7189]

Remember Old EU. Remember Revan, Malak, Meetra Surik, Kreia, Naomi Sunrider, Ulek Keldroma, And the Sith Lords. Also remember the worlds we visited before the Disney purge.

[@andrewmclaughlin2701]

Kreia was the best, most in depth character.

[@michalzaprt5602]

Damn you have to replay those games again 🤣

[@blackosprey2219]

I don't like ruminating on the past.

[@barrybend7189]

@@blackosprey2219 no I'm not ruminating. I'm helping preserve the mythology. Remind people of the lengths people are willing to go to kill stories.

[@maxmazzotti6651]

Never forget the true EU

[@calloway1972]

I went to a showing of TPM where they promised to show never before Acolyte scenes after the credits. No one stayed.

[@mbphilipblack8993]

My showing of TPM barely had anyone in it the group was like 7 people tops, I watched it around 5pm. Only 1 Guy left everyone else stayed.

[@Captain_Draco]

The issues with the colorful scooters in Book of Boba Fett isn't that "they aren't Star Wars" it's that they don't belong on Tatooine. That's a distinction people should really make. They'd fit in perfectly in Coruscant. But in the highly utilitarian fringe desert world of Tatooine, no.

[@paulcharran4699]

It wouldn't hurt if the scooters moved at better than a walking pace. Pod racing this is not!

[@chrischaplin3126]

"What is worse than being a moisture farmer on a desert planet?" Being one of Jabba's slaves? Drunkenly falling off Bespin? A travel agent booking you a ride on Star Tours?

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Or Mustafar. Or Hoth. Or Empire's prison.

[@Iron-Bridge]

Forgetting your fur coat on Hoth? Taking a dive off Kamino' s clone factory platform without a life jacket?

[@robmartin525]

Worth noting everyone! The whole 'no good or evil, only power' schtick is exactly what Voldemort says to Harry in front of the Mirror of Erised in Philosopher's Stone!!!

[@barrybend7189]

And Kriea did it in Kotor 2 but had a more nuanced point of telling you to use power to achieve your goals.

[@user-vk7jz1tc1l]

While Obi-Wan does claim (and fans over-quote) "only the Sith deal in absolutes", actions speak louder than words. There is not a single moment in Episodes 1-6 where any Sith behaves as a moral absolutist. They aren't even depicted as fanatics for evil principles (like ISIS), but instead are _always_ relativists and equivocators, pursuing power for its own sake. The only time a Sith comes close to "dealing in absolutes" is when Palpatine is *pretending* to profess the principles the *good* characters believe in to mislead them.

[@barrybend7189]

@@user-vk7jz1tc1l there's also the case the Sith ideology is an absolute. Everything for the case of power. Remember the Sith and Jedi codes.

[@user-vk7jz1tc1l]

@@barrybend7189 "Absolutes" means "absolute principles", i.e. _ideas_ (good or bad) that should be pursued ahead of calculation of personal gain, well-being, or risk. "Always tell the truth" or "Always kill the infidel" are absolutes. Sacrificing oneself for another's personal gain (like Mariko in "Shogun") could be considered an absolute. The unprincipled pursuit of _one's own_ interests is the absence or opposite of a principle.

[@barrybend7189]

@@user-vk7jz1tc1l so what is the line of corruption from just being self centered to just amassing power for oneself and fearing losing it? Remember there are absolutes and the saying is "absolute power corrupts" Palpatine and the Sith ascribe to a strong vs weak philosophy.

[@serobesehightower4041]

I went to see the 25th anniversary screening of episode I this week and before the film started there was a disney+ ad saying 'stay behind after the movie to get an EXCLUSIVE LOOK at the acolyte!' and no one did.

[@peter_schomus]

Robert's tangent was so inspiring. One of the most articulated points of what makes starwars awesome and connects us to the story!

[@jamesg8175]

I could listen to RMB for hours

[@Brian_Boru]

Everyone listen to and memorize RMB's commentary from 14:04 - 17:23. Superb analysis. He drills down to the very heart of the problem with Star Wars. It should be transcribed and posted wide and far.

[@tylergoodman3560]

The message is strong with this trailer. My deepest sympathies for those who still love the franchise. 😢🎉

[@xDarthSTYXx]

We reject your sympathy. We are here living in the best time it's ever been to be a Star Wars fan while you're crying and using your tears as lube. You're pathetic.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

A dying species infected by parasites that laughed as their WOKE politics killed another beloved franchise simply because they could.

[@xDarthSTYXx]

Fuck your sympathy. We are doing just fine while you're sitting there hating life.

[@xDarthSTYXx]

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 You okay, bro?

[@valentinlageot4101]

I love star wars but that doesn't mean I have to love all of it. it's like the orcs of Morgoth, they were elves once, that doesn't mean I have to stop liking elves. grow up and enjoy the part of star wars that can't be touched

[@archstanton9073]

I'll say it for the millionth time. It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. (or in this case The Message). They know their movies and shows are losing money. They're okay with it as long as The Message gets broadcasted loud and clear.

[@jimjam51075]

Well, it backfired. I stopped watching anything new with a female lead....which is EVERYTHING new.

[@archstanton9073]

@@jimjam51075 It doesn't matter if people like you, me or The Drinker watch. They figure enough people will that The Message will get out there and be spread around.

[@archstanton9073]

@@jimjam51075 It doesn't matter if you or I watch it. Enough people will.

[@alexc8873]

Vanguard, Blackrock support them so they dont care about profit.

[@darrenwho]

yep yep all funded by Blackrock. A 100 million dollar loss for Blackrock is like $10 to you or I.

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

"You will eat the bugs, live in the pods, wear the robes. You will own nothing, and you'll be happy" - WEF What you see as bland, homogeneous, and boring, they see as paradise on earth.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Sounds like frogs in a pond to me.

[@djplat111]

They see it as paradise because: If we're eating bugs, it leaves the steak for them. If we live in shoebox, that's more land for them. If we're stuck wearing the same old robes, they will stand out in their beautiful custom made clothes. They want us to sacrifice, while they reap the benefits.

[@leadingauctions8440]

You men did an excellent job breaking down why modern Disney "Star Wars" is soulless.

[@davidsummer8631]

The Acolyte is the culmination of what Lucasfilm wants Star Wars to be

[@aldunlop4622]

Same as The Church. Brainwash them while they’re still young…

[@Mereologist]

No... I think they want to go even further.

[@itusjr69]

If they could get away with softcore s#x scenes they would do it.

[@jkdbuck7670]

What? A cringe chop-socky flop? Agreed.😊

[@Leafblade77]

I imagine that honour will go to the upcoming Rey film.

[@freman007]

George Lucas decided that Obi Wan's robes were cool, so gave them to all the Jedi, forgetting that they were meant to just be the normal clothing of Tatooine dwellers. Even Uncle Owen dressed like a "Jedi".

[@Rezzatoni]

And imagine how "clever" it is to hide from the Empire, still wearing their foe's uniform ...

[@fishjones4618]

We didn’t know what Jedi wore in 77 because they barely had a mention nor were they seen.

[@fishjones4618]

@@RezzatoniIt was established pre Disney that Tatooine was barely anyone’s concern. Hence why it was an ideal place to hide. It was in the outer rim of the outer rim. It was only after Disney that it became the most important place in the universe. It’s like placing Enumclaw Washington right up there in importance with New York City or Tokyo.

[@bluesuzaku3229]

What I love about the original Star Wars was its adherence to the classical Hero's Journey.

[@beevezeepe6615]

Over the years, George Lucas wasn't sure how he wanted the average Jedi Knights to look. Luke's outfit from "Return of the Jedi" was called his Jedi Knight outfit and that look was in the concept art for Episode One before Lucas settled on what it was, based on Obi-Wan's Tatooine appearance. Anakin's black outfit in "Episode Two" was a nod to the black outfit of Luke but nothing was said about it beyond a mention in extra materials that it was supposedly a different style.

[@adbraunstein]

Robert's comments @~14:00 is the clearest description of the appeal of old school Star Wars - and commensurately why the later movies/TV are failing that I've heard in quite some time. Well done.

[@MaryRohwer]

I agree. My husband and I watched this stormtrooper parody from Unreal Engine. The stormtrooper is disillusioned with fighting for the empire. My husband related to an old sergeant being annoyed with management and his troops in the parody more than he would relate to an actual Star Wars that are coming out now.

[@tris421]

when i was younger i always pictured the Jedi to be more like Luke in ROTJ. Or at least more flexible not wearing the same stuff. The black in ROTJ was badass. More mysterious than what we got.

[@MaryRohwer]

I liked the hooded robes of the Jedi, but I can see why you would like the black in ROTJ. The costume design helps to bring out Luke's character development. It wouldn't make sense that he would wear the same clothing as the old Jedi anyway since there were so few Jedi left by the time of his story. Now I'm here rethinking the costume design of years of movies-----is the reason they have the Jedi in hooded robes in the prequels only because Obi-wan wore them in the first movie? Was he wearing them because he lived on a desert planet? Sorry about my stream of consciousness writing style here. I hadn't considered the Jedi in different garb before.

[@pantherapardus1398]

Yes from what I understand most people's interpretation of Jedi uniform is that was wearing a hermit's clothes in order to both survive in the desert and hid from the Empire's prying eyes. Then in the Prequels, George decided to make it that all Jedi accept for certain member and/or certain circumstances wore robes more than likely because he thought that made them look like spiritual leaders than warriors but then forgetting that it would be rather silly for a prominent and well-known Jedi Master such as Obi Wan to wear Jedi robes when he's attempting to from the Galactic Empire and that he could've had them look like the best of both like they did in the Clone Wars.

[@tris421]

@@pantherapardus1398 exactly. It makes sense that Jedi would wear robes at the temple etc but they probably should have been designed differently than what Obi Wan was wearing in the desert. On the field/doing missions then Luke's attire in ROTJ is perfect.

[@pantherapardus1398]

@@tris421 Fair enough.

[@samspurgeon4222]

I remember a comic from the original Marvel run that came out in the late 70s/early 80s that told a story of Kenobi when he was younger and he was in an outfit similar to the one Luke wore in ROTJ

[@jameslightfoot1872]

The novel "Kenobi" was very interesting. A small scale story about Obi-wan saving a small town from tusken raiders and corrupt leaders. I would have enjoyed seeing that.

[@rameybutler-hm7nx]

Kenobi is a great novel!

[@alonsomunoz4096]

Everyone after watching The Acolyte: "Well... that happened".

[@billybatts8283]

If only they knew the power of Manflesh.

[@michaelangellotti5741]

Robert's comments about Star Wars was very accurate and deeply felt.

[@chasehedges6775]

True

[@Rotom0479]

I didn't think they were

[@reneanderson8225]

“Incompetence”… coming to theatres throughout the years including on our tv platforms too. Brought to by Disney, WB etc and Gaming… Enjoy..! ☺️ I’m watching old movies, games, music and reading now… so I’m not missing out, and I’m not bored🥰

[@jacksparrow9227]

Apparently it's 100 years before Phantom Menace so it doesn't even make sense given that Ki-Adi Mundi said "The Sith haven't been seen in over a millennia"

[@Andrew-po8nt]

the only way it will make sense is if all the Jedi who know about the Sith die in this, and I highly doubt that will happen

[@mattice9083]

Even then, there's still Yoda lol

[@finalfantasy50]

they arent sith so its fine

[@jacksparrow9227]

@@finalfantasy50 but they are

[@ThespianPrince13]

@@finalfantasy50They are

[@CNC295]

You know what cracks me Up is Disney has no problems giving light sabers to kids but opposes adults owning firearms.

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

Of course everyone's special in Disney Wars. It's a basic girlboss tenet. She's absolutely perfect in every conceivable way, the best at everything, ever. The conflict is always against the world that refuses to acknowledge her rightful position. There's no personal growth, there's no adventure, no sense of wonder; there's just the absolute truth carved in stone, and doing whatever it takes, no matter how vile and morally reprehensible it is to force people to accept it.

[@touarec]

Speaking the truth, however in the eyes of Hollywood execs and the mindless defenders of anything Star Wars this statement makes you a misogynistic piece of shit, so perpetual back and forth ensues. Disney will not learn from their failures and neither wil the industry it seems. Good thing theres Korean cinema with less of these issues going on.

[@TheCraigHudson]

“Star Wars saved my life 😓”. Riiight so let’s change everything about Star Wars that saved your life.

[@that.70s_kid]

Just give us one dark toned Rated R Star Wars movie, like Darth Bane. Make people fear the Sith again. That's my advice for trying to get people to take Star Wars seriously.

[@AAhmou]

Which is funny considering Darth Bane in his first book was blatantly criticizing the way the Sith acted.

[@MTPatriot]

I have always thought that is what the Boba Fett movie should have been. Dark, gritty adventure staring an anti-hero. I somehow just can’t buy Boba Fett being morally upright samurai desert warrior. Nor can I buy all these sith/dark side users constantly having moral epiphanies after a lifetime devotion to their creed

[@ez_w0rks]

Just like Andor made us fear the Empire

[@exhaustguy]

@@MTPatriot - I thought they were going to lean into the whole Godfather thing. Instead with got Dances With Wolves (not even the grittier A Man Called Horse). They turned Boba into a teddy bear. I haven't read the EU stuff, but it would have been far more interesting if he formed an alliance with the Empire given he saw his dad's head cut off by a Jedi. He should have been an ongoing protagonist to Luke and the reemerging Jedi.

[@chuckjames1434]

I don't want any of the rabid lunatics at Disney to ever go near Bane. -_-

[@theveryworstluck1894]

In a lot of modern Star Wars, it's like they forget that aliens exist in this galaxy. How is everyone involved always human?

[@Rotom0479]

Because we are humans and have trouble relating to alien characters.

[@theveryworstluck1894]

@@Rotom0479 Tell that to Chewbacca, R2D2, and C3P0

[@theveryworstluck1894]

@@Rotom0479 if you need a character to look exactly like you in order to relate to them, that's likely a YOU problem

[@Rotom0479]

@@theveryworstluck1894 People like those three, but they don't relate to them.

[@Rotom0479]

@@theveryworstluck1894 it's not about looking like them, it's about having them be more easily recognizable to our eyes.

[@thelevel5goblin971]

Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee, Aayla Secura and many others wore outfits that weren't just the stereotypical jedi robes. I can't think of any others right now, but they could have easily had characters wearing outfits that are both jedi robes, that also show off their culture.

[@jlev1028]

Quinlan Vos

[@Baulderstone1]

The problem with the Jedi robes being based on Obi-Wan is that he was hiding. Those weren't Jedi robes. He was wearing exactly what Uncle Owen wears so he won't stand out. Making the robes he was wearing in Star Wars into a Jedi uniform makes Obi-Wan look like an idiot. If he is wearing a Jedi uniform, then he is not only risking drawing attention to himself, he would also be drawing attention to Luke. As for the look of the show, it's so drab and colorless. The main point of Star Wars was that it was a return to fun, pulpy sci-fi among all the serious films of the '70s.

[@jackdaone6469]

To be fair, the “Jedi Uniform” was still rather drab and unremarkable robes.

[@joehonan1773]

The Zayne Carrick comics and the old republic MMO were are more colorful

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Everyone on Tatooine wears robes, Empire isn't gonna check the whole planet.

[@No_nameOG]

It was a trap for Vader. That’s why Luke kept his last name, while applying to the Imperial Academy. It was unlikely that Vader would ever want to return to Tatooine, but if he did, Kenobi was ready, until ANH happened. The EU actually took the time to answer everything, but Disney is dumb.

[@Andrew-po8nt]

@@No_nameOG I heard Vader hates sand, it's rough and course, and gets everywhere.

[@andrewdelaittre1132]

Kennedy has to have a thousand mile long Epstein style list of blackmail on Disney to have kept her job for this damn long.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

No no no. Kennedy doesn't need any of that. She's a woman. That's her leverage.

[@tombell6989]

She makes movies that bring in hundreds of millions. It’s not hard to understand.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

@tombell6989 But they don't. She's responsible for star wars films that actually lost money.

[@tombell6989]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 The net profit for the 5 Disney Star Wars movies is estimated to be around $1.2billion. But thanks.

[@toegrit]

@@tombell6989 Most of that came from three movies, TFA in particular. Solo lost money, Rise didn't do well. If the movies were doing well enough they would've pumping them out. But thanks.

[@stonecoldprose]

Star Wars, arguably the greatest movie franchise of all time, has been reduced to mere content. Thanks Disney. You couldn't have done it without you.

[@Rotom0479]

Nothing wrong with that. I like having content.

[@michaelh.8945]

All modern Western entertainment now feels like cookie cutter factory-made content.

[@Rotom0479]

@@michaelh.8945 yes and? What's wrong with that?

[@Rotom0479]

@@mablesfatalfable6021 But it did make money, because I gave it to them. And I liked it.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

​@@Rotom0479"don't ask question, just consume the product and be hyped for the next product" is that what you're saying?

[@covingtonrace1]

Trailer has 1 white man in it and he is dropping to his knees as a sign of weakness. Why are they doing this?????

[@Jadty]

You know EXACTLY why.

[@covingtonrace1]

@@Jadty the Kathleen Kennedy fun bus rolls on down the road

[@discobroccoli198]

You guys are on tin foil hat level conspiracy mode, holy shit.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

​​@@discobroccoli198 think whatever you want, but explain this: why is it always the white cis guy the one character treaten like shit?

[@discobroccoli198]

@@giulizpaviz6381 That’s not a thing. Bad things happen to all kinds of characters.

[@revan.3994]

Remember "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction? ...seems he survived the Katana attack and was re-cast for the Acolyte! 🤣

[@mrbigglezworth42]

There was a trailer for the Acolyte just after The Phantom Menace at the theater I went to on May 4th. I left almost immediately after the credits rolled, though I was one of the rare few. I think people expected there to be some sort of after credits scene to the movie.

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

I'm so glad I left the showing I went to before the trailer aired!

[@TheCosmicFool]

I stayed for the trailer. Carrie Ann Moss looked great, everything else looked and felt terrible.

[@pwh1981]

@@TheCosmicFool It's so weird seeing it though. That entire fight felt like they are trying to be The Matrix purely because the woman from The Matrix is in it, and not a fight in a Star Wars production. I'm getting real tired of seeing people try to fight a JEDI with close combat or hand-to-hand fighting; HK-47 would be disappointed.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@pwh1981Isn’t the lightsaber supposed to be a last resort?

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@TheCosmicFoolthe choreography was pretty good. Be honest with yourself, from just that scene, it looks pretty good

[@ardendragoon]

Everything is too clean. Thats part of the issue. And the checklist casting. Demographics are a thing and hollyweird has no idea how it works. It looks like cosplay.

[@nunyabidness5375]

IDK Jedi Trinity could be badass if done right

[@ardendragoon]

@@nunyabidness5375 yes it would, but it's disney. They haven made one good fight. It's not going to start now. We are getting force bloody fu.

[@RogueKT21]

Agree. The original Star Wars had the worn lived in worlds that these shows cannot or don’t want to replicate.

[@lemonsky5378]

The makeup looks like makeup. It's not believable. Vernestra Rwoh is a perfect example of this. When I look at her, I don't see a Mirialan. I just see a woman with green makeup.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

Star Wars had English and American actors but they all used more subtle accents to not sound too familiar, now we hear the awful north London accent and the whiney California accent all the time.

[@shootypewpew2683]

As an aspiring but amateur creative writer, I really appreciate these “Chasers” convos so much. I’m staring at blank pages and asking “What do I want to do with any of this? What story to tell, what characters to create?” and it’s really helpful to listen to y’all hash it out, so at least I know: “Not that!” Just watching Fargo, for example, it’s so refreshing to see great character arcs with timeless parables. Solid character dev, simple stories. No need for some agenda, or sith-like absolutes saying “we MUST include X number of this race or that sexual orientation” or else there’s no story.

[@seansmith4513]

Daughter made a joke about some yoda meme going around. She said "I love star wars." I said "...you've never seen star wars." She rattled off 3 movies. One of the prequels and 2 of the "new" ones. I very calmly pulled up the OGs, made some dinner, and we binged the whole trilogy. She loved it. Next day, she tried to watch one of the ones she'd already seen on her phone, stopped half way through and simply said "These aren't as good as those new ones you showed me." I said "Baby, those came out a decade before you were born. Those are the originals." The look on her face was everything i feel about new star wars. XD She's 13 btw, this isn't one of those "My 2 year old quoted Shakespeare!"

[@Iron-Bridge]

You are a responsible parent. Need more like you. 🖖👏

[@michaelmasi9821]

14:27 Robert absolutely nailed it about Star Wars and its relevance today. When he speaks, everyone listens.

[@charlesthehammer4097]

Robert made a great point. Lucas took normal characters who are caught up in extraordinary events. Luke and his aunt and uncle were living their lives. They were observers to the Empire and all that was going on just working and etching out an existence when they unsuspectingly get caught up in the events unfolding in the galaxy. We can relate to that. Disney now is about the characters having missions and it’s nothing about them we can relate too.

[@Rotom0479]

Bruh, I don't know about you, but I don't want to see characters on my level, I want to see characters much better than me doing stuff I can't do.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Luke isn't an ordinary guy though. He is the son of a Sith Lord that terrorises the galaxy.

[@Rotom0479]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p exactly

[@jasonligon5937]

Drinker is correct. They spent a lot to make it pretty. The problem is... I remember when they did the same with the first season of ST Discovery, where they spent 64+mil for 8 episodes. Looks great, but CRAP story. I'd take TNG or even 1977 SW graphics, IF the story is good. Because a good story and characters are more important.

[@chasehedges6775]

A good story and character are more important than THIS

[@Rotom0479]

I saw TNG recently and it was boring as fuck

[@Xidification]

The Big Bad's helmet looks like someone said 'make a helmet that is Really cheap to manufacturer so we can make more money when we sell them' 🤑

[@garrettcrowl1294]

"The Drinker Recommends" being above the trailer. 😂

[@Kadejones01]

Leslye Headland's Acolyte is the Disney Star Wars show that I'm most looking forward to... not watch.

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

Robert and Fringy hit the nail precisely. "Star Wars" starts out as the small-scale story of a young nobody on a forgotten desert planet, who knows nothing about the larger universe or the events that are unfolding. We make all those amazing discoveries (stormtroopers, droids, Jedi, FTL travel, family connections, etc etc) at the same time he does. Everything is fresh and new and alien and intriguing and exciting and epic. No wonder it became such a cultural icon. Now granted, we can no longer have that first-time experience, but we can certainly still enjoy the story arcs of seemingly inconsequential characters who start out small and end up somewhere special -- and, one hopes, connected in some way to the larger galactic fabric.

[@kennykinsey3815]

I still remember my friend telling me Disney had aquired star wars, and how cool it was going to be to get new content annually. My response was literally "Nooo", as soon as he mentioned who acquired it. I stand by that "Nooo" still.

[@fredo1070]

Willow in outer space.

[@AllanHinde-mb2pr]

Star Woke

[@bellissimo4520]

Woke Wars?

[@AllanHinde-mb2pr]

@@bellissimo4520 either way will do

[@starwarstimeline]

Brilliant comments from Robert at 14:00 Every observation you make is the Star Wars every 80's kid grew up with around the world. Thank you!

[@christopherhovan785]

The point about how we relate to Luke and Han also applies to Anakin/Vader and is what makes the central theme of the story so compelling. We all aspire to be Luke and succeed when destiny calls, but how many people fail (and fucking KNOW they failed) when it does call? Anakin/Vader is extremely relatable, and Lucas mentions this in an interview at one time. We are all one step away from being Vader. And, therefore, we are also one step from being Luke. That's life, and that's interesting.

[@stevedavis1269]

Luke was dressed In white clothes in the episode 4, then a grey in 5, then black in episode 6. The closer to the dark side the dark side. That's how I seen it

[@fawkesandhound]

It’s got nothing to do with the force. It’s literally a device to show his growth, as a hero. White, for pure, but naive. Grey in the middle and black, as the master or veteran.

[@No_nameOG]

It was meant show the risk of Luke falling. His black outfit shows how he has grown more like his father, but in the end, he stays in the light, shown by the clasp opening to reveal that the black was always white underneath.

[@firestarter000001]

@@fawkesandhound I agree. It might have also worked for the dark side at the end of Return of the Jedi, but it was for sure to show the growth of Luke. When you see him in begining of Return of the Jedi all black dressed,all reserved and stoic , after the juvenile, naive, brightly dressed luke from before, you just get hit how different he is, that now he has passed a treshold in becoming a Jedi

[@MD20-20]

Drinker, great panel. Everyone had something insightful and thoughtful to say. Very entertaining. Thank you!

[@SSPspaz]

Robert’s rant @14:00 is just so profoundly accurate. When Disney first acquired Lucasfilm and they announced the “anthology films”, those films were actually what I was actually most (naïvely) hopeful for. I was more excited for spy films, heist films, horror or suspense films, war films, etc. set within the Star Wars universe than for an unnecessary extension to the Skywalker story. Why? Because those films would’ve been great for building the lore. Instead, what we’ve gotten were endless retreads, spin-offs, remakes, and retcons, all of which reduce the entirety of Star Wars to “Somehow, Palpatine returned.” When Disney isn’t busy shitting all over existing legacy characters and their storylines, they’re cranking out as much nostalgia as possible (“Hey fans, remember lightsabers? What about Jedi mind tricks, remember those?”) to get their ROI with the minimal effort necessary. It’s just more and more of the same but with a fraction of the care, skill, and vision that George brought to the franchise.

[@Dash277]

15:14 Great points all around by Robert here. There are no deeper stories in Star Wars anymore.

[@Rotom0479]

Star Wars doesn't need to be deep.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Andor.

[@Rotom0479]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Andor doesn't need to be deep either. Andor would have been better if it were simpler

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

@@Rotom0479 Sure, not like it's the whole reason people like it...

[@Rotom0479]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p People are liking it for the wrong reason.

[@garrettprince9343]

Now I cant stop hearing "tik tok jedi" to the tune of jukebox hero

[@MaryRohwer]

Maybe I like shiny things, Tiaras, crowns, and diamond rings-- Galadriel of elven lore, So lovely in the gown she wore; Amidala, glorious queen, A gasp escaped when she was seen. Now the heroes look much worse Within Dystopian Universe Why's this lady poorly dressed? Fell out of bed, her hair's a mess- Hollywood, without a story, Deprived of awe, bereft of glory.

[@VerilyViscous]

I've mentioned this dozens of time, so here I go once again: if you want a good version of the Kenobi show, and I mean a REALLY good version, go read Kenobi by John Jackson Miller. It takes place about a month after Revenge of the Sith, all from Obi-Wan's POV. He's grappling with the changes in his life while facing a relatively small-scale threat that Master Obi-Wan Kenobi could fix in an instant, but the hermit Ben Kenobi should just ignore. It's an absolutely fantastic character study, and I cannot recommend it highly enough.

[@user-mw1mj8do1z]

My local theater has Phantom Menace showing every day. I can't be bothered to feed Disney any money whatsoever. Star Wars is absolutely dead to me.

[@throwdown1776]

Its the main problem i have with many modern writers, they dont want to flesh out villian factions to make you wanna hate/respect them. This is a prime opportunity to fully maximise the potential of what the sith can be. What are their goals? Why people join them? What are their training? The tactics and counters to jedi. Quit with this morally grey bullshit. Give me a villian that i want to hate and root for

[@Rotom0479]

But morally grey stuff is more interesting.

[@gms3402]

I can imagine Frank Herbert laughing from beyond the grave.

[@iron_rush_theater1246]

I've said this before: GIMP SITH. I keep looking for the zipper. "Get the Sith." "Sith's sleeping." "Well, wake him up!"

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

🤣

[@hubertushostihayuanta8873]

Disney killed the golden goose for a goose with diarrhea.

[@Flitalidapouet]

The Acolyte will save Star Wars 🤣🤣🤣

[@RafaelaSantos-bz2tb]

On they dreams Kathleen and Lesley are right now crying in the shower

[@witchingroom]

Star Wars is back baby!

[@nungfish]

@@RafaelaSantos-bz2tb What? together?

[@chefsanders9151]

NOT ONE PENNY!

[@brooklynwayne8363]

Robert. Thank you so much for reminding me why I love Starwars. It's great watching you on shows like this. It feels like you have the freedom to give your opinion.

[@FeralWarpwolf]

It's important to note that in the OG SW trilogy the first person seen wearing supposed "Jedi Robes" was in fact Lukes uncle Owen Lars, him very much NOT being a Jedi. The implimantation being that Ben Kenobi adapted local culture clothes for his hermite lifestyle on that specific planet. George Lucas himself must have forgotten it when he made Owens' moisture farmer robes the default uniform for the Republics Jedi Order in the Prequels (and everybody else accepting it).

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Yoda and Anakin's ghosts also wore robes.

[@Melchiah28]

Star Wars and Marvel are at this point like a wine which tastes like dogshit. And the older it gets the shittier it tastes.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯

[@cowetascore8476]

I only bash the Acolyte on days that end in "Y"

[@emmagrove6491]

Good point about the original cast being so down-to-earth and relatable. For me, the original three films (Episodes 3 through 5) were all about watching a gang of good friends hanging out and going on adventures together. I haven't felt that in a long, long time with Star Wars.

[@OkayOkcomics]

@14:00 Robert does a spot-on critique of new vs old: why the original trilogy resonated and what is missing in the new. That guy deserves an award for that speech

[@FredSpade]

Ideologically colonised.

[@cavejelly]

1st I'm hearing this Robert guy and i like him

[@avg8056]

14:01 freakin' brilliant spiel by Robert here. Summed it up perfectly.

[@RichInMN]

I always felt like "Fury" would make a great template for a Star Wars movie. Just a tank crew of memorable characters trying to survive in the context of a broader war. In fact, it wouldn't even really matter if the tank crew was Republic or Empire... the commander really just wants to keep his crew alive.

[@frizzlefry5904]

i miss the ice planet hoth.

[@alexm6715]

Regarding the outfits criticism: even if they’re meant to be warrior monks, it doesn’t make sense that the Jedi in this show are all dressed the same way Jedi were in the prequels. In the Jedi Survivor game, Dagan Gera (one of the villains) is an ex-High Republic Jedi and his robes are significantly different looking from the prequel Jedi, as well as his master’s robes. So we see that they did indeed, dress differently. Dagan’s robes are almost royal looking, showing the elegance and prosperity of the High Republic

[@MaryRohwer]

The Jedi outfit at 3:42 looks very poorly done. Like knock-off brand Halloween costumes at Walmart. There was no effort put into the costume at all.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

There are some Jedi in this era who wear those golden robes. They have different outfits, just like the prequel Jedi did.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Dagan Gera is naked in that game...

[@alexm6715]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Did you play the game lol? Theres literally scenes with him and his master during the time of the High Republic and they’re wearing robes.

[@firestarter000001]

It kinda does to me. A monk order is likely to adhere to tradition, including dressing , going on for hundreds or even thopusands of years, sorta like shao lin

[@timidwolf]

TBF about clothing in the Jedi Order, they do have access to a wider "civilian" wardrobe, as Anakin had very un-Jedi clothing when travelling with Padme on public transport in AotC. Though this level of storytelling subtlety has been lost with most of Disney's output!

[@iangall76]

"I would like adventure to find me and can I stand up and do what Luke did?" - Robert Meyer is a GD gem. He's right. You could see yourself in the OG characters. You, living in your cookie cutter subdivision, riding around on your huffy. A complete ordinary life where you were wondering if you would ever be taken from that life and transported to adventure where you might surprise yourself.

[@Rotom0479]

We don't need to see ourselves in the characters we watch

[@YouCountSheep]

Old Star Wars, even the prequels = Characters were forced into impossible choices New Star Wars = Characters have alot of choices but repeatedly make stupid ones, with insane plotholes

[@aced4fun]

I saw the Acolyte trailer after watching the rerelease of the Phantom Menace and I couldn’t help but say it twice out loud: “What the fuck does that even mean?”

[@douglas98465]

2:09 I completely agree with him It's incredible how Andor has been the only Disney+ Star Wars show to feel like it was filmed and acted in a way that makes it feel real. Every planet had a completely distinct look and feel and the people acted like you would expect real people to.

[@Hexensohn]

6:43 the problem with Andor as I see it is that it's about a character I don't care about who dies in a mediocre movie. I have zero interest in watching it because it's still part of the wider Disney Star Wars world where every road leads to Jake Skywalker and Rey Palpatine. Nothing short of decanonizing the sequel trilogy will ever rekindle my interest in new Star Wars media because that's where the characters I *do* care about all went to die miserable, inglorious deaths.

[@scottfree7633]

Obi wan was trying to hide from the empire, it didn't makes sense that he would walk around in a Jedi uniform.

[@Colton-1117]

But it’s not just the Jedi uniform. It’s supposed to make them look like nomads, monks, refugees, and poor people. There are tons and tons of people that wear the robes, and that’s why the Jedi chose to wear robes, to look like an unassuming poor person or traveller.

[@christianefiorito3204]

Zhesejedis are alllooking like Fremen because Dune 2 had success

[@Darkmesna1]

That idea you shot of a former Clone war battle droid trying to find purpose after the war is an idea I'm entertaining myself.

[@chrisrussell1106]

"Why can't we have a low stakes Obi-Wan story on Tatooine." Oh, you mean like the book LITERALLY written for Legends where he protects a moisture-farming town against mobsters while hiding his identity? Lucasfilm had all the brilliance in the world handed to them on a platter and ignored it.