Drinker's Chasers - The Epic Feminization Of Star Wars

[@marty2489]

Who'd have thought that hiring a "story group" predominantly composed of middle aged women, many of whom have never watched Star Wars let alone care about it would end so badly

[@eq1373]

Middle aged women who have never left California in their lives

[@sianais]

Christopher Nolan wasn't a Batman fan but his movies didn't turn out to be shit. So it's not about not being a fan. They are just untalented and unprofessional. They only care about themselves so instead of researching the story to see what made it so beloved, they watch those films with a massive chip on their shoulder.

[@Attmay]

Sinks

[@crazyralph6386]

They’re activists not writers.

[@Jadty]

Really gets the ol’ neuron firing, doesn’t it?

[@Gorgon9090]

It's shocking how storytelling has gone from "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." to "Yesterday, on Twitter" Fantastic job Kathleen!

[@THEremiXFACTOR]

Exactly. They should change the opening crawl to "A few seconds ago on a social media platform not very far away...."

[@Chronz]

Woah.... I've never read/heard this line.... well done

[@rickhunter6513]

Perfect!

[@sharkdentures3247]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Very well done!

[@Jadty]

Well said.

[@robdelaney95]

It’s not that the idea of having female characters is bad for Star Wars, it’s the fact they have zero faults and show up older established characters in order to prop them up as the “bestest eveeeeeer”. That’s what makes Rey and the countless other females characters completely boring and uninteresting. The biggest mistake they made was getting rid of the EU and they had a perfect female character ready in waiting.. Mara Jade.

[@nathanjora7627]

Yeah to be clear, they aren't saying that disney is writing stories with females therefore they'll be shit, it's that when you obsess over putting as many girls and queer and whatever else into your stories, over first of all trying to write a good stories that can have males or females at the center, chances are you'll be writing shit, simply as a matter of track record and in terms of the incentives you have as a writer. If you write stories in order to prop up a gender or a sexuality or something of that nature, you're much more likely to ruin the character that has those traits by making them basically a power fantasy, than if you don't.

[@lucaisgarden7005]

Mara Jade could have been the next massive character (or money maker) for Disney. But K Kennedy couldn't self insert into her so we got nothing.

[@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge]

I'm actually shocked they haven't even teased Mara Jade in any of the Disney content. I guess they *really* wanna have it so Luke never had a romantic relationship in his life. On the plus side, at least it means they can't ruin her. Mara Jade started off as an angry space pirate with a hate boner for Luke that gradually softened up to him until falling in love, and I very much doubt Disney writers could pull that off without making her insufferable.

[@user-kd3fq2ru8d]

I have been waiting for mara Jade for around 25 years.

[@tartarus5862]

@@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge At this point I’m expecting that they’re going to make Luke gay just to stick it to the fans.

[@ethanlux6024]

Leslie headland would have been 9 when the little mermaid aired. There’s no way she saw Ursula and thought “wow she looks queer coded, she must be gay like me.” She’s lying about her own childhood to score woke brownie points.

[@flameshana9]

She wasn't liked and she was chubby. So it makes sense to me.

[@Thermool]

@@flameshana9that makes sense. Also, she may have been 9 at the time of release, but how many times have we rewatched movies through the years and gleam more from it over the years? Of course, how it relates to her.

[@Thermool]

Ursula is the opposite of Ariel. Ariel, who has useful optimism and that carries on to how she loves. While Ursula, may have started out as a version of Ariel, but has been say; less fortunate in her life which results in her being evil. I can have some empathy towards Ursula if life didn’t treat her well, but it doesn’t excuse her actions towards Ariel. And for someone who sees themselves as Ursula has some “splanning” to do, because relating I can understand.

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

"WOW, im queer and identify as something made up in early 21rst century at most, even tho im from 1990s at most" Why does Queer matter? I watched Lord of the Rings as a kid, and i never said to myslef "These orcs are like those Indians in local Satyam", hell i barely identified someone with different race(Unless it was black guy, in which case it was obvious). And i certainly didnt said "Oooh, Eowyn is girl, shes boring!"(I said "She is pretty! I like her" that was more of a adoration of her facial looks, it WASNT ABOUT SEX! ALRIGHT! NEVER ABOUT THAT!) When i watched Star Wars as a kid, i loved Chewbacca and Han, even tho Chewy looks like local Rabi's dog, and speaks like a bear on submarine, i never thought them like someone with a sexuality. HELL, Gays usually come out gay when they are AT LEAST 15, or when HORMONES ARE COMING UP!

[@AxenfonKlatismrek]

Speaking of Ursula, as a kid, i thought "Wow, this woman is really nasty! I dislike her" Back when i was a kid, world i saw was really simple, there wasnt this modern day bullshit we have today, hell i watched Lord of the Rings movies, and to this day they are my all time favorite movies

[@aubriannasaxton8723]

As a woman, what drew me to Star Wars and Comic Book media when I was in my teens was definitely the attractive men being heroic, and I can feel the pandering that’s happening in the media now. It’s sad because they already had me as a fan, but trying to appeal to me directly has driven me away.

[@whitegoose2017]

The way how they accomplish pandering is absurd too. Instead of creating compelling stories like Luke's journey from a victim to a hero --- with Rey we just get someone who is perfect from the outset. Where is the character development? There are villains with less screen time in many movies who have more character development than these.. modern SW characters.

[@blkjedi]

Im black and they do the same in regards to my background, etc. Just tell a story I dont need race swapped heroes, etc.

[@takeonedaily]

@@blkjedi shitty thing is there's a fuck tonne of kickass black characters in history and in fiction. Too bad they do you guys even dirtier by fucking up the characters they do bring on film (the woman king as an example).

[@blkjedi]

@@takeonedaily they even did Black Panther shitty. They could've recasted the role. I believe Marvel/Disney did not only so they cant make Shuri and the rest of the woman in the Black Panther setting shine.

[@simplegarak]

Eric's words have made me realize: these people don't see themselves as sellers or merchants. They see themselves as *preachers* and you are supposed to give into the collection plate for their sermon to prove your moral worth, not because of the quality of the product.

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

Bingo.

[@thisisfyne]

The thing is, sellers/merchant used to to be the not-so-good thing these could be. First and foremost, they should be *creatives* - people with passion for stories and characters, who want to put something great into the world for all to enjoy. And now both of these have been pushed down the list even more, leaving the top spot for morality preacher?! How pathetic...

[@simplegarak]

@____ yeah I was trying to think of an appropriate term for what they should be and artist/storyteller doesn't quite capture it. The key point is orientation towards the crowds/outsiders. Are they customers you have to sway and convince to buy/watch your product? Or are they a congregation who should feel lucky to have you lecture them and pay for the privilege. (Hm. Not unlike college professors too now that I think about it.)

[@scionofdorn9101]

Yes, indeed, and I can't stand priests or politicians of any breed.

[@Arasaka]

Profound comment. Suddenly it actually makes some kind of sense when viewed through that lens.

[@theveryworstluck1894]

It's not that people dislike female protagonists. It's that these companies (namely Disney) hire unlikeable (usually misandrist) female writers (and actresses, oftentimes) who write unlikeable female characters, because all they've ever thought about is themself.

[@Arthas30000]

Nailed it. The word misandrist isn't used enough to describe what's happening

[@Attmay]

It should be. These aren’t movies. These are attempts by media oligopolies to manufacture consent for hate crimes against men.

[@tonyruby4467]

Pretty much

[@ningamer5]

If they say that to you then just mention this characters Selene from underworld series Elizabeth and Angelica from pirates of the Caribbean Rayne from bloodrayne movie I know many people didn't like the movie but it's was first thing I saw about this game series just like Godzilla 1998 I like it because I saw those characters first time in them Sarah Conner from Terminator 1 and 2 I don't count dark fate Female characters from 1995 mortal Kombat movie X men female characters rogue was wasted potential Mcu female characters just don't count woke one's Dceu Wonder woman I know we all don't like Amber but Mera was good character at least she wasn't a they can't even scratch her type of character Charlie's angels don't count remake Mission impossible series female characters Disney sky high movie also had good female characters

[@michelecastellotti9172]

​@@ningamer5or any of the beloved female character from star wars legends

[@tonybaggett1984]

Hiring ideologues instead of competent writers, producers and directors. That’s a bold move cotton, let’s see if it pays off.

[@abduljabars]

Well AI gonna replace the writers anyways

[@Attmay]

I thought it already had!

[@pst5345]

I hope so so there is at least some intelligence at work.

[@Kaymen1980]

This is why movies suck to day.. Ideologues.. Imagine having christian fundementalists being in charge of Disney... That would fucking suck as well..

[@The_Burning_Sensation]

It shows what they actual think of the IPs, and creative work in general, really. It's just a brand, just a platform to stick your tired, platitudinous "Message" on.

[@Wildcat_Media]

The funny thing about the whole “market to girls and the boys will follow” thing is that the exact opposite happened when I was a kid in the 90s. I loved things like Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, Star Wars, video games, etc. There were girl-centric things I liked as well, but the action-y stuff that was primarily for boys was a lot of fun. Contrary to what the perpetual-victim class says, I was never bullied by the boys for liking the same things they did. I was never “gate-kept” by the boys. They were THRILLED that I wanted to enjoy those things with them. It was the girls who treated me like a weirdo for liking the stuff the boys did. And if girls decide to bully you, it’s psychological warfare on a scale that would make most dictators blush. So, yeah - not a fan of this trend of turning “boy” franchises into crappy feminized versions of the same. Whatever it is that made those franchises appeal to boys is what I found appealing about it. Stop making it girly. Or gender neutral. Just leave it the way it was.

[@thisisfyne]

"Contrary to what the perpetual-victim class says" I mean this comment as a whole is amazing, but this phrasing is 10/10 It's weird though, when I was a kid I didn't have such a perception that some things were for boys and others for girls. Sure, I loved TMNT and Batman and whatnot, but I never thought about things in terms of gender. My mom was babysitting some girls in the neighborhood and we had all sorts of toys, I played dressing Barbies too, the girls had fun with my Batman action figures, we played with legos and the SNES... it's was just... stuff to have fun with. I really think the emphasis on gender and identity has hit insanity nowadays. Brainwashing the kids with gender stereotypes to then deconstruct them as an attempt to unshackle this generation from standards they've had no concept of in the first place is super strange to me.

[@quij7ote222]

My daughter loved Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and her toys did little pizza eating or tea partying. They sure kicked butt a lot though. She is and always was girly girly but tuff as nails.

[@samblack5313]

Giving women free drinks will bring men to your bar. Destroying things men like will cause men to tell you to go fuck yourself in one way or another.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Tomboy supremacy!

[@HinArien]

Do they really say that boys bully girls for liking the same stuff? I can imagine that for doing the same stuff but worse than them (not a gender thing though, just regular winner/loser tease), but kids most often do not bully for such things. Parents do. Starting from your own parents grasping to the image of nice and convenient kid that can be demonstrated as a token of personal achievments, and all the way to neighbours', classmates' and whatever-grownups-around who fear that their own child may go off the hill the same way and god forbid became inconvenient! That's the problem. Kids don't even know they should bully someone who loves blue not pink, they are being taught that way by the grownups.

[@davemarshall6369]

Eric is killing it in this series of clips. His takes are spot on and you can hear the passion in his voice.

[@S3aChange]

I was a Star Wars fan for 30 years. I still adore the original trilogy. They've destroyed something that had real meaning and value for millions of people.

[@tbone2646]

yeah me too, I'm completely apathetic now and that's even worse than caring enough to hate it

[@S3aChange]

@@tbone2646 The sad thing is they've destroyed it and shat all over the fans for NOTHING.

[@clogs4956]

Enjoy the original trilogy - enjoy Clone Wars - and disregard the rest. Simple solution and bound to annoy KK’s ‘look at me!’ Woke crowd.

[@petermgruhn]

"Star Wars" was a great [great fun] movie. I liked it very much. When I was 11. How would you rate the Star Wars movies, in order? #1 - Star Wars

[@macmcleod1188]

40 years for me. Tho must admit I've even lost interest in the original due to the current material because it feels like a dead end now.

[@kc9937]

They smashed the "glass ceiling" and in the process burned down the entire house. Empowerment.

[@Attmay]

All the while doing everything to men that they accuse us of doing to women.

[@winstonsmith8240]

😂

[@ErwinSchrodinger64]

Yes, that's what feminism does. It destroys everything it touches. It's devoid of logical and creative thought.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@ErwinSchrodinger64 Well what did you expect from an ideology that takes cues from socialism?

[@bilko991]

They replaced the gass ceiling with a rainbow ceiling, keeping all their ideological enemies out, we refer to them as customers!

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

They think they're the Rebel Alliance, but they're actually the Galactic Empire.

[@Gorbz]

Every villain is the hero of their own story

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"Fine,then you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent - 'The Dark Knight'

[@Attmay]

The only reason they haven’t retroactively made Darth Vader the good guy is because he’s a man.

[@Astavyastataa]

Always have been.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

@@zacharymcmillan2788 You either die a hero or convince yourself that you're one.

[@BlookbugIV]

The point Rippa made about it all being posturing in front of their peers is what drives every aspect of media today. News media, entertainment, educational, everything. We live in an era where the audience is viewed as an adversary. A career in media is much more secure if you keep in the good graces of your peers. You can survive having no audience, you can’t survive being shut out of the network.

[@kwangsoo515]

When Chris mentioned women increasingly being the main breadwinners of their families it made me wonder how much of it is because of single mothers.

[@mikemcguinness1304]

Dead right ...the single mother class , " empowered " ...apparently

[@brianlagrant9757]

"The door only swings one way," is a brilliant statement describing these times.

[@acedelta12]

Disney: *breaks the door to force it to swing both ways*

[@RobertSmith-th3rz]

The force doesn't have a gender.

[@kaminsod4077]

It's as absurd as saying Gravity is Female.

[@mysterymastermind175]

Was a play on "the future is female"

[@timothyho5786]

Agreed!.👍⭐️✅

[@crazyfingers619]

@@mysterymastermind175 Marty, we have to go back

[@edocursedmark2693]

Actually the force is female

[@tadroid3858]

The whole "I need to see me" BS is directly reflected in the lack of creativity in entertainment today. They are incapable of taking a successful storyline and expanding it on its own terms. They need to destroy the storyline ham-handedly with race swaps and gender madness.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

I see enough of my ugly mug every day,when I look into a mirror;I watch movies and film to escape from reality,not to "see myself represented",as nobody "represents" me.

[@michelecastellotti9172]

You know in who i see myself? Hound from Age of exctintion, i am a big guy who loves guns, but i am no cybertronian; I see myself in suletta from witch from mercury because i am also a bit shy and tend to be naive, but i am not a girl, dont identify as one and neither i am from mecury This bullshit needs to stop

[@Attmay]

I am a Gay Jewish Southerner. I’m basically Intersectionality in human form. I am tired of being lectured on tolerance and inclusion from people who belong to fewer minority groups than I do. And I am equally tired of being expected to emphasize with everybody else except my own people. In fact, if I were any more tired, I’d be Lily von Shtupp! Taking *The Little Mermaid* away from us was the last straw. If you can make Ariel Black, then you can make him back into Gay MAN like he should’ve been all along.

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

The issue is that the "me" they want to see is always a minority of the US population or a minority of the audience of the franchise or the genre. That means that the vast majority of the audience will not be allowed to see themselves. 😂

[@warriorscholar41]

I think we are seeing a ton of friction between society and capitalism play out here. How many times have you heard someone say "if they want to make a story with X as the main character, that's fine BUT don't throw a preexisting title on it. Make your own story."? However, the executives freak out because people won't come to see that; they'll come to see The Little Mermaid or Peter Pan or whatever established IP.

[@mikeblom8897]

That last point by Eric really resonated with me. The nepotism works both ways. Hadn’t really thought of it that way

[@och70]

The number of times she mentions that she's one of the alphabet people in that interview is an immediate red flag. That's her putting "victim shields" in place that will be used to deflect any forms of criticism the show receives.

[@michealrosen]

It amazes me how Kathleen kendy still has a job, episode 9 was a flop, the fans hate rey, she dropped 15 planned projects in the last few years, disney lost money on merchandise with the new characters, she totally derailed the mandalorian, ruined book of boba fett, ruined obi wan series adding this rever or wtf her name was, and somehow thinks people will watch episode 10 how is she still in the job....

[@MarklovesAngels]

It really is one of the great mysteries. Ironically, she's all for equality, but if she were a man, she'd have been fired a long time ago.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

She knows about too many skeletons in closets and where the bodies and receipts are buried.

[@O1OO1O1]

​@@whenpigsfly8178 she has pus$y armour

[@eq1373]

Because she has extensive political connections both in and out of Hollywood

[@Gunsight-One]

Her name in ObiWan was reeeeeeeeva! 😂

[@terracottagecheese2767]

I never wanted these brands to be feminized. When I was a little girl, my big brother introduced me to so many different boyish media like Power Rangers, various Superhero cartoons, most video games (because truly, no matter what corporations want you to believe way more men than women play video games.) And I grew up loving these things. I never once wanted them to change to something girly, because that absolutely ruins the charm of what made them so great in the first place.

[@Attmay]

That show sucked then and it should be illegal now.

[@hunkydory8437]

Thanks for telling things from your perspective. I really don’t see that often. I’m sure I’m not just speaking for myself but I genuinely don’t want to come across as having “no women” stance. There’s nothing wrong with having female characters in shows/films I just wish the writers behind them didn’t shy away from giving them a hero’s journey treatment. They don’t all have to be flawless, lacking humility, or be the strongest and smartest in the room and preachy. It’s okay for them to be human. Because other humans connect with someone they can root for, someone they can see grow and self reflect. The only people that relates to narcissists are other narcissists and it’s really a disservice to the very demographic they’re trying to uplift.

[@psychokinrazalon]

I think a big problem is that traditional femininity is demonized in the west, and that women can’t be strong if they aren’t masculine. It stems from the west’s warped, ignorant views on what strength entails and how it exists in multiple different forms. The people writing this woke trash have probably grown up under this belief and it’s warped their perception of gender and societal norms, etc. I think a good solution would be more shows that take from Sailor Moon and teach girls that their femininity is a source of strength.

[@petermgruhn]

Your big brother was a little girl?

[@terracottagecheese2767]

@@petermgruhn Oh! Hehehe I should have worded that differently. Thank you for pointing that out.

[@VinceLyle2161]

I've never been so grateful for a writer's strike...

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

"Reflect upon the Past. Embrace your Present. Orchestrate our Futures." --Artemis 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind’s journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul’s fate revealed. In time, all points converge, hope’s strength re-steeled. But to earn final peace at the universe’s endless refrain, We must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)

[@gzz8551]

It’s only delaying the cancer. It isn’t curing it.

[@VinceLyle2161]

@@gzz8551 I'll take what I can get at this point.

[@toh6261]

"If we appeal the girls, boys will follow suit". You just perfectly summed up social engineering through social media.

[@zackhawn5944]

Chris is one of the most knowledgeable film buffs out there, keep inviting him on

[@TheIronLiz]

I think not being able to identify or empathize with anyone that doesn’t look exactly like you, is a sign of low intelligence. Heroism, strength, stoicism, etc are traits that are universal. Goodness supersedes individual traits, because goodness can be found in ANY person, regardless of how they look. I find this stuff extremely pandering, and degrading. They really do think everyone else is just as dumb and incapable as they are

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

"Reflect upon the Past. Embrace your Present. Orchestrate our Futures." --Artemis 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind’s journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul’s fate revealed. In time, all points converge, hope’s strength re-steeled. But to earn final peace at the universe’s endless refrain, We must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)

[@quij7ote222]

Well said.

[@Mabra51]

I love this channel because i always finds brilliant comments like these.

[@richardhockey8442]

could any of these writers have come up with a story arc for a seemingly ireedemable villain who eventually rebels against his master to save the life of his son

[@ShadowRulah]

If you can't relate to a character because of their sex or race you can decide which of the ists you are. If you write good characters people who don't suck will respond positively regardless of race color or creed.

[@piercedbylight]

Strong, smart, funny. That's what women are attracted to. So yeah, early Marvel and SW 1-6 were wonderful for us

[@dagda3000]

"Women do not want to be the hero, they want a hero". Still true today.

[@audreyandremington5265]

​@@dagda3000 I think women do want to be the hero in the "mamma bear" sense, but i get what you're saying

[@EinFelsbrocken]

@@dagda3000 And still, nothing in that denies the possibility of "They CAN be heroes", which seems often forgotten when damning all the "oldschool" stuff nowadays... and it has become "WEMON?? MUST BE HERO!!!" 🥲

[@quij7ote222]

@@audreyandremington5265 We definitely want to be the hero, too. We just want to be a hero like women can be heroes. I can only relate to a female hero (whatever the color) who acts like, and has the limitations, of a real human woman. Give her a superpower, but have her deal with it in a recognizably female way. We want to cooperate with men, not humiliate and hate on them. We usually want to pursue the Holy Grail together.

[@Noodles.Doodles]

@@quij7ote222 A perfect example of what you're talking about: Rachel Weisz as Evelyn in The Mummy. Drinker did a video mentioning how complementary its male and female leads are kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3WkeICigN-DZpo Sadly, that film could never be made today.

[@LaChartre]

KK opened her door for all these crazies to enter, and they firmly locked it after they were in. Now she’s stuck in a prison of her own making.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

"I'm not locked up in here with you - YOU'RE LOCKED IN WITH ME!!!" - Rorschach - 'Watchmen'

[@ANonymous-mo6xp]

Remember everyone, NEVER watch Indy 5!!!

[@grimnir8872]

It's hilarious how the first season of star wars visions was done exclusively by Japanese studios and was much more varied and unique in it's storytelling than the second, which was done with mostly western Studios.

[@sebas8225]

It respected a lot of Force Lore too. George never Saw the Dark Side as something to coexist with the Light Side, thats modern Grey Jedi nonsense, Dark side is always parasitic and a zero sum game, it´s a Evil that exists and must always be put in check by the Light Side due to how dangerous it´s for everyone else in the galaxy thats the whole point.

[@nottheonlydreamer9512]

Rippa's point at the end that he got way more backlash for creating a comic company that caters to an existing audience is the most important one here. They know that this is an existential threat to their movement, so they turn very hostile.

[@DarthPerkins]

Can you imagine how successful Star Wars in 1977 would have been if Luke had Rey's character? If he was just the best at everything? Needed no training? Had no character arc? We wouldn't be talking about Star Wars now.

[@thegreenman2030]

Those shirts the writers were wearing in the thumbnail should have read "the force is fucked” because that’s exactly what happens to it.

[@CrazySwiftGamer]

I always find the argument men just hate female protagonists funny when the first two alien and terminator films are so fucking popular that decades later they are still trying to grab that market.

[@thatHARVguy]

Don't forget Lara Croft for video games.

[@tskwerl]

It's idiotic. As a 9 year old white boy, I went to the theater to see The Empire Strikes Back. I didn't see Luke Skywalker onscreen and think, "Oh, that's me. I can see myself up there!" I thought, "Lando is so cool! I want to grow up to be him!" Then, in Jedi, he becomes a General and blows up the second Death Star! He's handsome, he's charming, he's a hero. I didn't give a sh*t what color his skin was because he was a great *character* in the story.

[@Spazzboy911]

The only reason The Acolyte, a prequel to SWe1tPM, is to insert a retcon into the entire universe to give credit for everything that happens to one undeserved untrained unskilled female padawan who can then say "See, I told you so!"

[@MarklovesAngels]

The most amazing part is that they were never fans of Star War to begin with. They could not have possibly watched the original movies. There was NOTHING to fix, nothing to balance out. It was released in freaking NINETEEN SEVENTY-SEVEN with lines like "into the garbage chute, flyboy!"

[@samaritan_sys]

I remember a while back arguing with a woman who was gushing about Star Wars finally having a strong female character in Rey. She claimed to be a Star Wars fan… had nothing to say when confronted with the mountains of evidence as to how idiotic her point was, as Star Wars had tons of female characters with agency in the first 6 movies, not to mention the EU. These so-called fans are just the fad-chasers who mocked us as geeks a decade ago, before it became trendy. Women keep infiltrating and feminizing men’s spaces like this over and over.

[@R.J.Godzilla81]

The Narnia Chronicles, Tron, Flight of the Navigator, Holes, Treasure Planet were all made by Disney in an attempt to get into the boy market and all failed. Disney even subcontracted out to an outside party to create a series, to compete with Batman the animated series, which was kicking their butts in the 90’s and was taking a HUGE bite out of their Disney Afternoon viewership. Once it aired Gargoyles became a huge hit, but Disney just couldn’t help themselves and with the 3rd season of Gargoyles, Disney started medaling with the show and within a single season of television ruined the whole thing and now hardly anyone remembers it. And now we’re experiencing the same thing with Marvel, Star Wars, and Pixar. Sad how history keeps repeating itself like this.

[@eq1373]

Tron failed? Not that I remember. I also don't remember those movies being targeted at the 'boy market'.

[@tjjordan4207]

Treasure Planet mainly failed because the marketing behind it was bad and surprisingly limited. It was almost like they wanted that movie to fail. But the true surprising thing is that Disney wanted to get boys into their movies, despite that I remember myself and many others really liking their movies. I was a huge fan of the Jungle Book, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Peter Pan, The Lion King, and so many others. Their target demographic was kids and families, which they already had.

[@xitaris5981]

Uh Narnia and Holes are just books they adapted. . . . And Narnia always seemed more popular with girls when I was growing up.

[@SioxerNikita]

Treasure Planet was not made by Disney for any reason .. it was a Director not wanting to come back and make a movie, but did so on the condition he could make Treasure Planet. He did, but Disney did him dirty and screwed over the marketing. This was a pretty well known story, which tells me you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Like at ALL I very much doubt Narnia was made with the intention of getting the young boy market... The market they already had with movies. Tron was deliberately a family movie, Flight of the Navigator the same. No idea what Holes is... And we already talked about treasure planet. When you get the start so wrong, I am not going to trust the rest... And implying that they used movies to compete with TV Series is crazy

[@DeltaDanner]

@@SioxerNikitaHoles was a book that Disney adapted into a movie. It’s about a group of juvenile delinquents (all boys) being sent to work on a dig site as part of their sentencing. I agree with your points, just letting you know.

[@smokingmirror8482]

The Feminization of media in general has been sad to watch.

[@darkstraylily1477]

Im a gal and I absolutely agree. For maaany a reason.

[@Attmay]

It’s just another façade to justify heterosexual women strengthening the privileges they hold over Gay men.

[@ANonymous-mo6xp]

It's actually damn near unwatchable. Also the perfect female hero move was made nearly 40 years ago. It's called Aliens....

[@Necromonger69]

@@ANonymous-mo6xp Aliens worked and was successful because Ripley was not a Mary Sue. She went through some shit before becoming a badass and the audience was along for the ride with her that is why she is respected. Today's female characters don't earn shit. They just come on the screen and start kicking ass. It's shit.

[@livefree6455]

Many of my male friends have given up watching most of this trash completely. No need to watch again - ever.

[@albatross4920]

Star wars isn't a fantasy adventure anymore, it's a therapy session 😒🙄😵‍💫

[@albatross4920]

That goes double for marvel too

[@Tyrs_Finox]

Really good take on this by Eric around the 10 minute mark.

[@VulgrDisplay]

The other critical error that they continue to make is that they come up with a character, their traits and personality, and then the universe literally bends itself in half to show off their personality. In a good story a character can be themselves, but they bend to fit the reality of the universe and situation they are in. For example, in Star Wars, a team of people rescue Leia, and as unbelievable as that rescue seemed under the circumstances they learn they were let go to be followed, and a member of their party died. In the force awakens, Rey just escapes because she's awesome, and everyone else becomes brain dead to allow it to happen. In the old movies you always felt like the heroes just barely won because on that day they were just a little better than the bad guys. In the new content you feel like the bad guys are lobotomized, and could do nothing to the heroes except by accident.

[@livewithunicorns]

As a straight white male, I do tend to write my novels where many of the characters are straight white males as this is something that I know about so no matter the subject matter or genre of my stories whether they be sci-fi, fantasy, horror, or children's tales I try to include my own gender and beliefs into the characters as I believe that is really important to the stories i tell because I'm a straight white male, not sure if I told you that.

[@efficiencygaming3494]

I'm a writer and I do the same thing too. A lot of the realism in my stories comes from me basing them on my own personal experiences, and many of my characters have similar traits to me in real life.

[@TheSmokingMustache]

So you're telling me you're a straight white male? Can we be sure of that, if there is a woman who isn't a pathetic damsel/sex object in your story, one that has actual character and takes actions I think you might not really be as straight, or as white as you are claiming... ;P loved the joke btw.

[@macmcleod1188]

Your writing as a straight male certainly impacts me as a bisexual reader. As a bisexual reader, it's important that at least two characters are always show to be bisexual. Because I'm bisexual, I know that 1.8% of men are bisexual and 1.8% of women are bisexual, so it's completely credible and helps suspension of disbelief to have a third of the characters be bisexual. And when considering color theory, I think my bisexuality impacts the color themes I chose to use for my artwork and films. All of this is important, because I keep my bisexuality very private. It's a personal thing.

[@thomaslynch7838]

CG and EJ are brilliant guests, they always seem to bring excellent analysis to the conversation.

[@zardox78]

They spend their entire lives being applauded and celebrated for navel-gazing. It's no wonder they come to think of narcissism as some kind of virtue.

[@ivanthenuke9995]

The biggest shock for me has been watching krdramas. They are so well written, with awesome character development, great narrative and superb acting. The worst are as good as anything the west produces and the best are so good they take your breath away. For example, My Mister is so good that it was hard for me to comprehend when I first watched it and when I rewatch I have to pause from time to time because I can't believe how good it is.

[@Wicked061]

I totally understand you. I been bingwatching korean entertainment lately and its some of the best experiences ive had. War of the arrows, the gangster the cop and the demon, my name, all of us are dead, sweet home, k2, vagabond, healer, they just made good quality products. Period

[@davidsummer8631]

If they cant get hit shows using characters like Obi Wan and Boba Fett they have no chance of The Acolyte even being remotely popular especially if its going to be identity politics central.

[@redroobarb4562]

Lol they really shit the bed with those two.

[@davidsummer8631]

@@redroobarb4562 And they are also going to do a Amber Heard with The Acolyte

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

​@@redroobarb4562 Yep,just like Scamber Turd did. 😂

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

"Reflect upon the Past. Embrace your Present. Orchestrate our Futures." --Artemis 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind’s journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul’s fate revealed. In time, all points converge, hope’s strength re-steeled. But to earn final peace at the universe’s endless refrain, We must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)

[@TheAntsh]

Oh it's gonna flop, all right

[@dimebag505]

When you put this before characters and story, this is what we get, no ones talking about the actual story just what representation is in the show

[@Attmay]

Representation IS characterization. Representation IS storytelling. It is telling the stories of those who actually deserve to live. It is telling the stories of the oppressed valiantly triumphing against the oppressor classes by every means necessary. Wokeness doesn’t go far enough.

[@jabrockobiden9434]

And no one cares about it

[@chasehedges6775]

The state of Star Wars is depressing. KK has absolutely destroyed it and everything Lucas created. I guess I’ll just watch Revenge Of The Sith again.

[@conqc20]

Its amazing to me that, for Disney, its easier to fire their CEO than it is to fire KK.

[@blaze4metal]

@@conqc20 Because to the ESG owners, it's not the Message that's the problem. Clearly it's the CEO not pushing it hard enough.

[@bones10145]

Why would you watch a prequel movie though? those aren't that great. Stick with the original 3!

[@emhu2594]

Kathleen Kennedy star wars is the same quality as the prequels. Total dog shit.

[@jayboy2kay7]

^^ because compared to the sequel trilogy, they prequels are now considered to be of alot higher standard than they used to be.. and I agree. That’s what has become of Star Wars now.

[@garym6315]

I'm always amazed that the people who talk about the male gaze never once think about the gay audience who are just as happy to see a sexy woman.

[@Nixlplix]

That's because the people who spout that garbage are usually toxic misandrists with an agenda and are wearing blinders.

[@flameshana9]

"You're not allowed to look better or get more attention than me."

[@tkthetank]

When Force Awakens came out in 2015 I excitedly bought tickets to the Thursday night advanced showing for me, my two buddies who love Star Wars and my girlfriend at the time. She was annoyed I bought the ticket bc she had no interest in going, which surprised me bc I thought everyone loved Star Wars. Opening night the theater was at least 90% male. Even with Rey as the lead my girlfriend had zero interest in the movie. But sure, go ahead and keep pushing for a change that doesn’t need to happen.

[@jesse8893]

Just have to say, I watched Lake Placid last night and laughed my ass off then almost cried when I realized there is no way in hell they would make a movie like that today

[@jabrockobiden9434]

They could if theyd just tell the freaks, NO

[@HappyTeeth.]

Love it. Betty White is hilarious. Her whole story line in the movie is great.

[@DarthPerkins]

Oliver Platt is, as usual, hilarious. A very good film, but under NO circumstances, watch any of the sequels.

[@jesse8893]

Never had any interest in the sequels. The way the movie ended was perfect and anything that would follow couldn’t live up to it

[@Attmay]

That’s when Betty White became the new Estelle Getty.

[@sianais]

Weird how that lady would cite Ursula as the only representation she got when shows like Xena the Warrior Princess also existed back then. There's also Charmed, Buffy, Ellen had a whole sitcom and a host of other female led shows. These people act like the grew up in the 1800s. They need to be "oppressed" despite being so affluent and privileged, that unlike any man in their position, they could tank several major franchises and still have a job!

[@jasondouglas152]

You are exactly right. Nobody is telling the truth , it's all about pretending you were such an out cast and victim because random prejudices

[@Sergeant_Fury]

How about that lady who decided Bud Light was "too fratty"?

[@jasondouglas152]

@@Sergeant_Fury How about that lady that can carry 5 bud light glasses at once ???? A legend, obviously!!

[@Thermool]

As a somewhat white male…..Anne of Green Gables back in the late 80’s early 90’s was also a story about women and young girls.

[@HinArien]

Ah, memory unlocked. Xena, the great warriror princess. Who even at the moment the show aired quite clearly had some hints that Xena and Gabriel at the very least could be more than just friends. Callisto had those vibes too, if you prefer baddies. I remember watching that show when I was like 10 to 12, we never discussed gender/orientation topics at home, in school, on the TV, whatever, but the dash of queerness was for some reason absolutely clear to me. Not as the main theme though, the main thing was still how awesome they are.

[@katherineozbirn6426]

Prof. Kate here: Maybe this "looks like me" syndrome is part of Warhol's idea of the "15 minutes of fame." We seemingly don't have anything in our lives to make us relevant, so we attach ourselves to a group or movement and ride the coattails of it? We get to be important without doing anything; we are "relevant" and "meaningful." It's the same syndrome of the "selfie" picture. I myself don't want to "see me" in a movie. I go to literature, movies, and art to get out of myself, to uplift and confirm what is greater and meaningful beyond myself. I want confirmation of the ideals of mankind and why we might be relevant in the world and universe, thus myself. Literature/art should uplift all of us; it's not the purview of one class of people, which is what Plato was concerned with--that art could become the mouthpiece of despots. Is an ideal male or female? No. When Hector fights for Troy, is he doing it as a man trying to dominate or to affirm the ideal of courage, pride, and honor as constants in the universe and our world? He is not just being a man who wants to kill and destroy; he wants to live and yet he will die to confirm his ideals. He's a good husband, prince, father, and protector of his world. Most people's inner worlds have been so destroyed by modern education that they live in an inner wasteland that's either a blank slate that others imprint their ideas on or has become barren slag. I'm an educator, but I want my students to rise above their "opinions" and grasp those ideals in their hands. So many have such low views of themselves and feel relevant and important only through gaming or group attachment. It's too easy to conform. The real hero of anyone's life is him- or herself separating and reaching for the ideals to make them manifest and real in the world. Churchill, Abraham Lincoln, and a myriad of others are examples of what this reaching can do. The quote here is better at explaining the idea: If my reach does not exceed my grasp, then what's a heaven for? The heaven these people are grasping for is a hell, a domain of sterile images that are twisted beauty of ideals that inspire and rejuvenate the human being not. Enough said.

[@DeezNuggz]

why are you saying "we"? 😂

[@KCBCollier]

The first part of your post I think is the most relevant. That “looks like me” = 15 minutes of fame, and relevance = meaning. I’ve said before that the rise of mass distribution, first by radio, then movies, tv, then the internet, and viral videos means that now, like never before in history do you have the chance to be a celebrity. And we have them by the truckload. This new generation doesn’t measure a life well-lived by their relationship to a single person, or role in a family unit. Those now come and go, or have contributed to traumas in their life. They now feel their life has been wasted if they don’t “make an impact” in their jobs or communities. It makes young people susceptible to activism with no thought to cause and effect. They shaped larger events. Achievement unlocked. The darkest side of all this explains the rise in mass shootings even as gun ownership per capita has decreased. People who feel impotent know there’s one thing they can do that will make an impact on the news cycle, and have the world clamoring to know what drove them to do it. Even if they get unalived in the process, they made their impact as they went.

[@ohsweetmystery]

If you need a hero that you think is like you, YOU are the bigot.

[@rosswatson9144]

Bravo!

[@Mark-cd2wf]

If I want to see myself I’ll look in a mirror.

[@MiketheratguyMultimedia]

I remember when TFA was about to be released. I noticed that every Star Wars-related commercial was about girls. A Toys 'R Us commercial featured a dad weeping because his daughter picked up a lightsaber. A cereal commercial showed a mom and her daughter playing with color-changing spoons. A commercial for Walmart or some other retailer showed a little ginger girl playing in a cardboard X-Wing. Another commercial for something I don't remember showed a group of carefully and unrealistically diverse kids pretending to be Jedi, with a little girl apparently being the leader. Even before the damn film hit I thought "wow, they're really pushing little girls in these commercials, that's an odd coincidence". Then I saw this picture with Almost Emilia Clarke, Tit Mcboobs, some random nerd chick, and Kathleen Kennedy front and center with that appalling fuck you spelled "THE FORCE IS FEMALE" across all their chests. Suddenly everything made sense, and I knew that the franchise was over.

[@AJLangford]

I was 10 years old in 1977. Star Wars changed my life. The world hadn't seen anything like it before. The impact it had on a whole generation cannot be underestimated. What followed was an explosion of entertainment with many sequels, spinoffs, ripoffs, etc etc that really changed the nature of cinema and additional great entertainment, particularly in the 80s. Yet, Star Wars continued to impact on further generations, many years after the original trilogy. (To call them patricahal now is so wrong. They continue to instil a sense of magic for young kids). George's prequels copped a lot of criticism, fairly for the most part but they look like Citizen Kane compared to the divisive, dull drivel that is dished up now. It's gone so far from the whole feeling of the originals that it's Star Wars in name only. It breaks my heart, really, after 46 years, to see how long it survived and how quickly it's been destroyed thanks to the self-centered whims of assholes like KK. I enjoyed Mandalorian Season 1 and Andor, but there's too much hatred directed at fans these days, while aiming for smaller and smaller audiences. It's no longer fun. It's no longer entertaining. I just can't stomach any of it anymore. I'm done.

[@fishjones4618]

You know when a person’s statement opens up with “As a (insert superficial attribute)”, there’s little worth to them.

[@Attmay]

As a Gay man and a Jew, I know damn well that those are the demographics you meant. I’m getting tired of the oppressor classes playing the victim.

[@jakzine540]

@@Attmay And I'm getting tired of the oppression story being used to justify retribution and oppression in turn. It's vile both ways.

[@Noodles.Doodles]

As a person who cringes when people say 'As a parent of a [something] child', I agree.

[@flameshana9]

As an anime fan I agree. We are very oppressed. And yes I am making fun of it.

[@BSG1892]

Star Wars Visions was a perfect example of how they took something creative that was doing well & turned it into more corporate mush. Honestly it’s not the creators/animators, they are talented people. It’s these hicks they have in charge that are allergic to making money because they’re too busy trying to virtue signal to cover up all of their horrible practices in business & treatment of their employees.

[@TheIceman101418]

Sad to hear how bad the second "season" is. The first "season" with all the anime studios was amazing in all but 2 episodes

[@sebas8225]

@@TheIceman101418 Yeah current season had a huge down in quality. It´s also clear they dont care about George´s Vision for what the Force is about.

[@quij7ote222]

Hey, I'm a hick. These "writers" aren't hicks. They're the opposite.

[@mikedangerdoes]

@@TheIceman101418 Whilst the second season wasn't as good as ther first, I wouldn't call it bad. Some of the episodes were even as good as the stuff in the first. "Screecher's Reach", "The Spy Dancer", and "Aau's Song" were wonderfully animated and told interesting, imaginative tales exploring other facets of the Force or of the universe.

[@douglas98465]

@@mikedangerdoes My biggest issue with Season 2 is the lack of creative story lines in most of the episodes. You can only do Imperial Era Rebels/Jedi vs. Empire so many times before it is completely boring. The Visions episodes that I liked the most have been the ones that went to different time periods in the Star Wars universe.

[@robertjacques6812]

The Visions thing was 100% a mandated initiative by Lucasfilm. The animation studios were clearly given that directive

[@f.o.i.l9497]

I mean I hate star wars visions, and Disney star wars in general, but thats just a lie that every protagonist is female in it. Unless he means specifically season 2? which I havent watched but he said he binged all the episodes which means season 1 would be included in that.

[@devildolphin2102]

@@f.o.i.l9497 S2 of Visions I watched it all 9 episodes have a Female protagonist except one. And he gets killed off and his sister takes over. Vision s2 is also super lazy and you can tell it was made just for a paycheck they used super cheap animations

[@anthonyhurlbut346]

​@F.O.I.L Yeah, he meant S2. S1 all of the stories were extremely varied, seemed like the studios were told to do whatever they wanted. S2 seems like they were much more boxed in on what type of story they could tell

[@Hello-bi1pm]

@@anthonyhurlbut346 KK complained that she had no feminist source material so she made Star Wars stuff that she could copy-paste from better studious. Remember how Kenobi copy-pasted Fallen Order and made it worse?

[@sebas8225]

@@devildolphin2102 Did they even Continue Ronin or other S1 Visions episodes? If they continue any, then S2 sucks even more lol. And yes the animation had a large drop in quality, episode 7 looked like a Telltale Games episode.

[@shawndixon4536]

I was born in 1974, and movies and TV shows like Star Wars, Rambo, Indiana Jones, GI Joe, Transformers, He-Man, etc. were aimed to boys/male viewers, and it's the reason Hasbro made She-Ra so they could rope in girls/female viewers. The Disney Star Wars era has given a rise in popularity of the franchise among young girls, as young as toddlers. The fact that they are pushing so many movies and series this way though, is going to alienate many of the diehard fans who have stuck through the good and the bad of the Star Wars franchise!

[@lancebaylis3169]

Ethan Van Sciver said it perfectly. Strange women infiltrated everything and made everything about themselves. It happened in comics. It happened in TV. It happened in movies. The LEGO research about boys toys and girls toys rings true all these years later.

[@terrab1ter4]

Their rationale is simple: The door has historically always swung one way, so the solution now, instead of putting the door in the middle with stuff for everyone, we are going to 'rebalance' things by swinging the door completely the other way until it flies off its hinges

[@Nytephyre]

Right but the starting premise is wrong. They haven’t been oppressed by anyone except themselves and their own culture.

[@BLRodgers]

"People need to see themselves in strong characters that are in the spotlight. Except boys." ~Disney probably When you point out, as the Drinker does, "The door only swings one way," people advocating this crap will either tell you that boys "need to evolve." Failing that, they'll fall back on the "Well, there's all sorts of old material for boys to watch if they want to see aspirational male heroes." Unfortunately for them, I see a lot of folks going the latter route until more options are developed within the nascent "parallel" economy.

[@danabnormal5988]

I was at the initial showing of ANH in 1977 and I've been a SW fan as long as I remember. As much as it pains me to say, I'm done as long as the current trend lasts.

[@sammaxwell2673]

To Eric July’s point close to the end of the clip, it isn’t necessarily a bad thing to write for yourself, ie Tarantino has stated that he likes writing things he himself would want to see and what appeals to him; the trick of course, and maybe Tarantino is the perfect anomaly, there has to be and has been a giant audience that wants to see the things he wants to see as well.

[@fanthonyfictions]

There were a few shows. Atomic Betty, Power Puff Girls, Kim Possible. Aimed at girls but boys could still enjoy them.

[@crawlingboy]

man atomic betty now that is a blast from the past

[@DisplayThisOkay]

The Powerpuff girls was definitely not originally aimed at girls. It just ended up that way, and funnily enough marketing it for girls is what ended up killing it.

[@facelessandnameless]

Stop giving these people your money. That’s the only way any of this will ever change.

[@Batman88878]

This reminds me of the Lego experiment that Ethan Van Sciver was talking about: girls want the characters to be like them, while boys want to be like the characters.

[@thisisfyne]

It true though. Sexy actress on screen? REEEEE they're sexualizing her, unatainable beauty standards, so misoginistic, etc. Sexy actor on screen? Fuck I should hit the gym...

[@crawlingboy]

that is just how us men are we want to be the best and try to reach it

[@slavik0369]

It's not Star Wars anymore. It's Space Girls.

[@nickmhc]

I’m so grateful that Critical Drinker and your guests gave words to how much I hate most of the new Star Wars content.

[@irvhh143]

The first week of warm weather and I'm at Walmart thinking that if my granddad were to be transported 60 years forward in time, he'd be asking why all the women are walking around in their underpants.

[@donny6033]

I got banned on r/starwarsleaks because I pointed out how delusional the show was made out to be by that interview. I wear that ban as a badge of honour

[@bazzathegreat3517]

Identifies with villains and worked for Good Ole Harvey. Makes sense.

[@frankgesuele6298]

But,but she didn't know🤔

[@Thermool]

I can’t say for sure, but some who has the tile of “Personal Assistant” must we one lousy employee and assistant to not be involved heavily with their employer. Cuz I can totally see a person getting a Venti Moca Late confused with a the tall tan skinned woman in her 20’s.

[@TheGamingHoser]

There's a reason why "boy" brands get turned into "girl" brands and not the other way around: No offence to female viewers but I've noticed that many often have a lower critical bar for film and television (Chick flicks for example). They seem less likely overall to think deeply about films and are more likely to just enjoy it in the moment like a theme park ride. "Toxic" (largely male) fan bases are the entertainment equivalent to people who actually read real news and want to understand whats actually happening rather than just "trusting the experts" in government and media.

[@nathanjora7627]

To be fair you can't really compare "female viewers" with "fan bases", you're comparing members of a fanbase for something, heavily invested into this universe and its coherency, to normies (who I think we'll all agree have on average lower standards for than the fanbase of whatever media it is we're talking about) who at bottom don't give a damn about that universe in particular. Of course you'll have one that'll be more critical than the other on average. If you talk about typically woman oriented media, I'm not sure that their fanbases are any less critical of the material related to their media than a mostly male fanbase of equivalent size for their media.

[@andrewlaco1776]

🐶🧠

[@TheGamingHoser]

@@nathanjora7627 Please don't think I'm putting down anyone's choices or saying "all women" fall into any group whatsoever. I'm just noting that women in general seem to make up a slightly higher percentage of people who are capable of enjoying overacted drama, big plot holes and pg-13 level comedy. Soap Opera's are a good example of bad TV that predominantly women like. More women I know thought Game of Thrones final season was great as well. It's fine for women to like soaps, I don't think they are dumb or something for it. It just appeals to many of them on an emotional level more than most guys perhaps. I think they tend to focus more on the positives of things they like and are less critical of media. Disney thinks that female audiences are capable of lower expectations when it comes to entertainment and that's why they are catering to them.

[@TheGamingHoser]

@@andrewlaco1776 Soap Operas. 19 Seasons of Greys Anatomy.

[@nathanjora7627]

@@TheGamingHoser Don’t worry I didn’t take your message as being offensive, I was just giving my opinion on what I think is a comparison of apple with oranges. « Soap Opera’s are a good example of bad TV that predominantly women like » Hhmm… Sure, though I don’t think it’s because they can’t say it’s bad. « More women I know thought Game of Thrones final season was great as well » Well, I’ve only discussed with two women about this IRL and each had a different and opposite opinion on the topic so it’s hard for me to conclude anything from that ^^’ « I don’t think they are dumb or something for it » Well no of course, and that would still not be the case whether you were saying they can enjoy bad stuff in spite of it being bad or whether you were saying they can enjoy bad stuff because they can’t tell it’s bad. I was just pointing out the fact that it’s not really possible to know even if they like more bad stuff than men at all if you compare two groups that are not comparable, namely fans of a thing vs normies. And I could point toward how so many men fans of SW lapped Disney SW right up too, or many dumb action movies if we’re talking about men normies. And that’s a different point from my prior point, this new point is moreso « even assuming a fairer comparison of normies vs normies or fans vs fans, it’s hard to know whether it’s generalizable given the fact that we can’t really control for much at all ». Aka « even if your experience was 100% genuine I don’t think we can generalize it ». « Disney thinks that female audiences are capable of lower expectations when it comes to entertainment and that’s why they are catering to them » Eeeh, no on that point I’ll actually disagree with you XD I do think Disney is catering to women, obviously, I don’t think it’s because Disney imagines men are more media critical than women (I doubt that the higher ups at Disney have such a high opinion of men XD), I just think it’s because left leaning people think that the SW brand will attract men all on its own and the female leads will attract women.

[@rickeykekoa023]

To be fair, its common in anime for the girl to be badass and kickbutt with super powers or big weapons. Usually the male would if they want the MC to have a harem. So seeing most protagonists in Visions as female doesn’t surprise me nor did i see it as a bad thing.

[@katgirl3000]

These panels are very smart and incisive. I'm hooked. You people manage to give reasons for and words to things I've seen in recent movies/series/franchises. The description of Star Wars Visions is beyond belief. They used to try to make movies for the teen to 20s something males because they spent the most money there - is that no longer true or does their obsession with The Message override everything else?

[@MCguy52]

I have never watched a show and said "OMG THAT IS LITERALLY MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".

[@Slamdoxicalz]

At some point they'll run out of money

[@markcoroneos7811]

Nah, they have ALOT of capital banked over decades and their revenue stream runs deep. They also have the esg crowd to prop them up. Being the propaganda wing of the establishment has its financial benefits 😉

[@abduljabars]

Then the government will subsidies them...

[@michealrosen]

🤞 they'll realise when episode 10 flops when they try to force Rey and that bs on the fandom they'll finally kick Kathleen kendy

[@marverickmercer1968]

@@markcoroneos7811 Im just happy to not give them MY money. Surely that ESG money is worth it, that the whole company have to make multiple consecutive movies that lose billions of dollar to balance out the Force or something.

[@DeezNuggz]

propaganda never runs out of money

[@gerardoarellano7698]

“The force is not female. It’s for everyone.” ---Chato

[@darktenor4967]

So, the chief writer of this show's favourite Disney character growing up was an overweight, conniving octopus, who hung out at home alone, with only her pets for company, nurturing her resentment for the establishment, and only longing for the chance to trick naïve, desperate people into one sided bargains that secretly pushed her own agenda and let her achieve a position of power, controlling a head of state through a magic spell which turned him into her personal puppet? Hmmm, that explains a lot!

[@matthewjones9237]

The sound effects when you guys swear reminds me of Deadliest Catch, when they would use Horns and "Sea Sounds" to cover up the dirty words. 😅😂 Love it, Drinker. 👇 The Much Support Button 🤗🍺 Cheers!!!

[@Hamishable]

So Lesly Headland admits she is a villain. That explains why she worked as Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant.

[@TulpechaidoplaysMC]

Yup, let's never forget how this "feminist" was the one who set up Harvey's rape dates

[@wiinterflowers95]

Wait what?

[@electrodiode8314]

Has come to the conclusion that due to the themes and pacing of all these "Star Wars" and LucusFilm projects, they are exactly like the daytime "Soap Opera's" of the 70s and 80's. This is what you get with a 70's era Women's Liberation advocate like KK. She has recruited as many sheltered types of women who have had little social action in their lives and were steeped in the Harlequin romance novels to go ahead and create their own versions of an original story line that caters to what they wish to see out of it. Sadly, as a result, they only create what they find acceptable and appeasing for themselves alone while getting caught up with themselves doing it, completely forgetting about what they audience may expect, or even desire from an already established story. This is why their productions seem as lilted and out of touch to what has already been established. As for the inclusion of Leslye Headland, one can see that she was a choice by Kathy not as much for her writing as much, a reminder to all the execs of any potential dirt that can be brought up upon the legacies of the entire film industry. Lets not forget that Kennedy's involvement as producer for as long has been writing press releases for all the movies she has ever been involved with and her relationship with all the daily rags is as close. As for the rest of the team she has assembled as a writing staff, they were selected not as much for the interest in writing as much, political activism and a desire to make a name for themselves by "Changing the World" as they see fit. Everything else,( Star Wars, Raiders, etc etc.), is just "Silliness" to them and as such, expendable...

[@johnw574]

Beyond the movies, the feminists continue to rewrite the original stories in books and comics. Including rewriting Luke's story to say that Yoda never wanted to train Luke and they always wanted to train Leia thinking she was more capable and strong enough to beat Vader...

[@evernight1405]

What funny about that is Leia is more like Anakin than Luke is and would likely have fell to the Darkside.

[@festo512]

@@evernight1405 Didn't Leia tell Luke to run away from Vader rather than confront him in Return of the Jedi? How does that make her like Anakin?

[@kagetsuki23]

@@festo512 You do realise that Luke himself knew that he couldn't win this fight and was trying to save his father rather than defeat him?

[@festo512]

@@kagetsuki23 Did you watch the movie? In Return of the Jedi Luke beats Vader in emperors throne room.

[@festo512]

@@kagetsuki23 I'm guessing you didn't understand the movie. At the start of the film luke is supposed to be a full jedi. That's why in empire Vader says you aren't a jedi yet. But in jedi he tells Luke his training is complete.

[@frontrangejrs]

The worst part about this form of Feminization is the sou-less corporatism of it. Women can be badass. Women can be strong. A Serena Williams like person if believable to be strong and competent physically or sexy, seductive and powerful like Angelina Jolee (back in the day before crazy) aka Lara Croft. This kind of Feminism is crap because you can tell and feel how dumb it is because it is pushed from somebody like an HR director who makes a power abusing law just because they can that doesn't help sales or morale and only helps a sliver of the population feel better about themselves with unrealistic fantasy. It feels fake because even in a fantasy universe of magic, it feels unrealistic to what you could have. It's like having Michael Cera play Mace Windu instead of Samuel L Jackson.

[@artfire28]

The SW Visions had me engaged even that most of protagonists are females but as a fan of anime, i enjoyed for what it is.

[@m.p.7075]

The t shirts should say "the force is finished". They f**kin killed it.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Disney's Star Wars: *exist* Everyone to EU Legends Star Wars: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."

[@ricky865]

Dafne Keen should really try getting out of this project wile she still can before its to late.

[@Dsims37]

Star Wars Visions episode one the hero is a male samurai. Another has a “band” being the center of a story. It’s not all female.

[@spiceweasel8972]

I don’t know who keeps blasting ass, but it’s almost worth a headphone user warning. A moment of silence for your undergarments, good sir.

[@PaggerDunch]

The fart noise to censor the swear words should not have made me laugh. But it did.

[@areguapiri]

Childish

[@Anayoth]

@@areguapiri Fart jokes will always be funny

[@JoshuaHeald]

Breaking glass ceilings is dangerous when you live in a glass house like Disney and Lucasfilm. *💥CRASH!💥*

[@tyw2675]

The thing that irks me (or makes me at least irked-adjacent) is that Star Wars already had strong female characters in it long before these dipshits got involved and tore down all the male characters. And they never really tore down the male characters before Disney got involved. Leia was definitely a bit spicy towards Han and Chewy but she eventually learned to love and respect over the course of the original films. Both Padme and Leia had leadership positions too.

[@thisisfyne]

The thing is, it doesn't matter to them. It's 100% about _perception_ , about tooting their own horn. They have no problem belittling or lying about past movies/shows if it means possibly elevating their own shit. Omg the first female dwarf! The first black super hero! The first same-sex kiss! We're breaking new grounds here! Remember how everything in the past was WHITE and STRAIGHT?! All lies as a poor attempt of virtue signaling.

[@broahthenosh]

I wish they’d make this into a podcast on Spotify

[@ArtemisTGM]

I'm just glad I didn't get that MANDALORIAN Tattoo 😅dodged a bullet there god damn! Lol 🤣

[@alphacause]

If you need to have the protagonists look like you in order to immerse yourself in the story, and relate to it, that is because you have an impoverished imagination and you are too self-centered to enjoy the world around you.

[@quij7ote222]

I think that just about says it all.

[@devlinallistair-zx5by]

Indiana Jones should use the dial of destiny to go back and push young KK into a well.

[@bigsnacks913]

What a streaming lineup

[@MatttheWitcher]

Yes Disney is SO brave. Slay queens. I am literally shaking.

[@jasonl1942]

If the force truly is female heaven help us at the end of the month.