Drinker's Chasers - The Star Wars You Grew Up With Is Gone, And It's Not Coming Back

Not to be Mr Pessimistic, but I think at this point its fair to say that Star Wars is not going to be "saved" by anyone. It's never going to return to its glory days, and it'll never matter to people like it once did. It's dead, and Disney killed it.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Ironically, Star Wars fanfiction is more faithful to Star Wars than Disney ever did.

[@chasehedges6775]

Yeah….

[@bulldogsbob]

Fanfiction is made by fans,

[@HandGrenadeDivision]

That's not irony, it's the natural result of fans being more in tune with the IP than corporate overlords.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@HandGrenadeDivision Fans and Casual movie lovers vs Corporate Executives and Greed. Let the games begin.

[@michaelcharlesthearchangel]

I don't write fan fiction. When I write a script, 21+ years of ongoing professional writing expertise go into the vantage of the story. I wrote the very best script, that you will find anywhere, for Episode X. Then I screen recorded myself scrolling the script, in 4 acts, so I could upload it onto my KZbin channel, create a KZbin playlist for my Episode X script. Luke Skywalker is back.

[@chiefaldo6308]

The moment Mark Hamil was forced to throw that lightsaber over his shoulder is the literal personification of what they are doing to Star Wars

[@SeSeReRfRf]

It was the moment star wars officially died

[@polarfroge]

MH grimacing after downing the blue milk also works. It's sad to think there'll inevitably be something even worse than The Acolyte & a worse troll director than foreHeadland.

[@JadeRunner]

Apparently, Hamil found that scene difficult to perform and needed help with it, so they told him to just imagine he was throwing the lightsaber at his grandson's girlfriend's pregnant belly.

[@polarfroge]

@@JadeRunner WTF. Psychotic thing to say.

[@tincano-beans2114]

@@SeSeReRfRf is that why you all cling to it like a crying child under mommy's skirt? If you don't like it, don't watch it. Move on, touch grass.

[@r.downgrade5836]

It's not about the money. It's about The Message. We are currently watching what happens when demons, who would destroy a ship if they cannot be captain, do when they actually manage to become captain any way.

[@derbar7051]

Social engineering. The true intention.

[@8ojack]

Obviously someone was trying to justify their existence if: The ego and hubris to need the freedom to make their own stories > The greed to kick back and make money off of the “legends extended” universe and creativity needed to keep that canon and work new stories around the accepted and established history.

[@liamphibia]

It's impressive how much Disney successfully acquired the rights to Star Wars and then successfully *destroyed* everything in almost a decade.

[@liamphibia]

But yeah. The Stars Wars we knew and loved is *gone.* Everything we've ever gotten has been nothing but crap. Sure we might get a good project here and there like Andor and maybe the Bad Batch, but they are nothing compared to the absolute forest fire.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

It doesn't take Marxists long to destroy anything.

[@maxxpower3d6]

Lucas was never a victim. He is an accomplice.

[@rphilipsgeekery4589]

I was one of the few that said Disney taking over was a disaster at the time , I knew it was a bad fit

[@infinitydreamzz]

It's not just Disney, Hollywood (and corporate America, politicians, sports, music industry, media, pop culture, education) has been on a 9 year old mission to erase it's own (white) male history. It's very deliberate, calculated and ideological, they do (think they) understand what they're doing, which is to dismantle every single big franchise of the past and replacing it with new ideological, "inclusive" versions that exclude the one demographic they hate. Its a mission of hate and destruction, not one of love and creation

[@craigm8461]

You know you fkd up Star Wars when the movie Space Balls is more Star Wars than modern Star Wars is.

[@joakimnyback1931]

Truth

[@eyerollthereforeiam1709]

What did you see? Nothing sir! I didn't see you playing with your dolls again sir! - You're right, that absurd parody was better than this drivel.

[@markpugh6808]

​@@eyerollthereforeiam1709 I knew it I'm completely surrounded by assholes

[@reaperezekial5168]

Never have that damn thing down in front of me! How do I know you’re not making faces at me under there? 😝

[@benrig89]

@@markpugh6808KEEP FIRING ASSHOLES

[@HortonSalm]

Guys, it's over. I remember a few years ago, I would think, "Maybe they can turn this around. Maybe they can still fix this". Not anymore. I don't even want them to fix it anymore. I just want it to be over. I've got my books that don't exist. That's all I really need.

[@Numenorean921]

I realized this in 2017 when I watched the Last Jedi. I was like "Oh, they're not making these movies for me anymore". I haven't watched anything star wars related since except the first season of the mandalorian.

[@fd502]

I actually figured it out on The Rise of Skywalker, and it was the strangest tip off for me not even the one you probably are thinking. Basically and I only watched it once so I don’t remember that much but I remember it more or less retreading story beats I had already seen. Had a Death Star again had an evil empire again had a rebellion still with Lea in it? Didn’t they win? Swore the whole thing off after that. But I didn’t actually hate it, I was just like oh weird it’s like a boring soft reboot, I guess this is what Disney is doing no thanks. I feel like I saved myself a lot of time.

[@MrThomazSatiro]

Rogue one os good thou

[@Numenorean921]

@@MrThomazSatiro that came out before the last jedi

[@MrThomazSatiro]

@@Numenorean921 true! didnt remember that! =)

[@Imperials3nate]

​@fd502 Good to see you're doing the smart thing. As am I. Create the good that Disney cannot. Be the heroes we wish they were to us. And all that you need is a social media platform and Google Docs to get it done.

[@Wheelie2077]

Disney paid $4 billion for a franchise that they didn't understand and whose characters they despised. It's like buying a Kentucky Derby winner and using it to pull a cart.

[@mvader7188]

Or eating it.

[@cladinshadow]

Pulling a cart still makes money. Bad analogy, friend!

[@abatter]

Or using it to make glue and then use the glue to affix pictures of the horse onto a donkey and then claiming that anyone who doesn't like what they've done are toxic.

[@joshuamueller3206]

Or make glue.

[@fakshen1973]

It's like buying Kentucky Fried Chicken... and going tofurkey.

[@the6ig6adwolf]

Harvey takes advantage of young women = monster. Leslie ALLOWS young women to be taken advantage of = Nah, it'll be fine.

[@jakeviolet2195]

I'm sure she has dirt on half the men in Hollywood from her days standing outside Weinstein's office. And she used that information to blackmail her way into the industry, just like Kathleen Kennedy.

[@russ254]

by “allows” you mean “assisted”

[@daviru02]

I wonder how much she knew about him and what he did. Knowing his schedule, you'd think she knew that was going on.

[@remuslazar2033]

Because Leslie wouldn't harras the women. Oh wait, she's lesbian

[@superjlk_9538]

@@daviru02she was allegedly the only assistant or person in Hollywood that didn’t know he was a pervert.

[@BrianKing-oz9zi]

I'm in my 50's now and was fortunate to experience 'The Real Star Wars' in 1977 as a child. Stars Wars was a huge part of my youth and into adulthood. I still have all my vintage figures etc. Santa photos at XMAS wearing Star Wars tee-shirts. Star Wars wallpaper in my bedroom, you name it I wanted it. Now Star Wars is now the laughing stock of Hollywood. Shame Disney! Sadly I have now let Star Wars go.

[@eternalhalloween1]

Brian, it's hard. But you do know we have built a community. Even if only online, fans will ALWAYS have ANH , TESB , & ROTJ . Some people like TMP , AOTC , and ROTS . Some people like R 1 . REAL SW will always be a part of the fans it meant something to. That can never be taken away from you.

[@jagmd]

I could have written this myself word for word.

[@jasfrt6384]

My de-specialized Blu-ray set grows more precious to me every day

[@MrLolguy93]

Truly, we live in the Dark Ages of entertainment

[@chasehedges6775]

Sooooo true.

[@Ethan_Alexandur]

The golden age wasn’t that long ago either. What if that small era in time of excellent movie making was the one and only time in history it happened? It seems to be going that way. Dark age indeed

[@bakakubi]

For American entertainment, yeah. Just have to look elsewhere

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

The anti-wht/anti-male agenda ruins everything.

[@hanuman3527]

Soon to be a dark age IRL and you will all wonder why as you’re cold and starving. Truly sad and darkly humorous.

[@1dantown]

"A Wank Over Lizzo" is one of Hemingway's unreleased masterpieces.

[@swanvictor887]

I thought it was one of Will Shakespear's soliloquy about his desire for Elizabeth the First.....!

[@harbl99]

@@swanvictor887 That was Edward de Vere, the Earl of Oxford.

[@logandarklighter]

“That’s a challenging wank.” - Sean Locke

[@swanvictor887]

"Allegedly"!! lol.@@harbl99

[@douglasarthur2673]

'A Wank Over Lizzo'.......... wouldn't that be a Jackson Pollock ? 😂

[@taterboob]

The last decade has been an exercise in learning how to let things go.

[@Xlen-omega]

Yeah I agree 100%.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

because fighting to protect them, honor them and salvage them is too damn hard

[@forevermarked5826]

All my fav franchises have been destroyed

[@judgedrekk2981]

more like a lesson in hate....cus i never knew i could hate this much!

[@Valarien777]

"It's like you put all of your favorite childhood toys and memorabilia in a room and some drunk guy walks through it with a baseball bat and he can just destroy things as he sees fit" - Drinker; yep that pretty much sums up what they've done to Star Wars and all our classic beloved IP's. 😨

[@babaofett2165]

Hi guys, Drinker, you summed up my feelings in the first 1 minute 13 seconds of your video. I was there on May 25, 1977, sixth row center for the first sold out show. Along with millions of other fans, I was blown away by the opening crawl followed by the blockade runner and star destroyer flying in from above. This was very special. I went back to see it 10 more times that summer (which was a low number compared to a few of my friends) and a few more times by the end of the year. We had to wait 3 years for Empire but it was well worth it. I didn’t enjoy Jedi as much (I felt that the Ewoks were a bit silly) but it was still very good and was a good ending for the trilogy. Fast forward to 1999, the prequels. I enjoyed them for the most part, I guess it was important to see the evolution of Anakin/Vader come to life, something that was written about for years. In my view, it should have ended there. Then, years later, it all started to fall apart. I did watch the final trilogy (The Force Awakens is the only one I saw in a theater) and like millions of other fans was deeply disappointed. I enjoyed the Clone Wars and Rebels but the live action shows on Disney+ were for the most part disappointing. (I did like Endor however) As a franchise, Star Wars (in my view) is going from bad to worse and I don’t know if it will ever turn around. The one hope that I have had for years is that a live action version of ‘Shadows of the Empire’ would be produced. It is a proven property with an interesting story line and characters. But I guess at this point political correctness is more important than interesting content.

[@louiscypher6772]

I saw it in 78. No movie will ever come close to that feeling.

[@TestAcct46]

An empire destroyed from outside can always come back. But an empire destroyed from within? That's gone. Forever.

[@RootofYishay]

True. It's just like the United States with flooding the country with illegal immigrants

[@tagir9123]

That was seriously one of the better villiains, and of course he went through the useless-douchebag-in-favour-of-a-woman mill

[@Nonamearisto]

Star Wars wasn't destroyed from within, though. It was destroyed from without. Kennedy was an outsider, as was Disney as a whole. Not to mention, the quote is wrong. Every empire which ever fell did so in part because of destruction from within.

[@joshstump3878]

In the 90’s, when I was a preteen, the Star Wars Expanded Universe was my Harry Potter. It’s what got me reading books all the time. The fact that Disney dismissed it at first and is now bastardizing bits and pieces of it is a big reason I can’t watch any of it.

[@AndreNitroX]

Funny enough I got into the EU around the time force awakens came out because I was hungry for great Star Wars stories and to this day I keep delving into the EU more than any of Disneys content. The EU is canon as far as I’m concerned

[@SpaceJawa]

Personally, I see Disney ditching the old material as a blessing in disguise because it creates a barrier that protects the old stuff from being destroyed by the new stuff.

[@tjjordan4207]

I read an article that was titled “The Importance of The End”, which goes into detail of why endings to any story, especially books and movies, are so important. And that’s something that Hollywood has lost long since. I remember when Harry Potter was ending and it was a great finale, only for a new stage play to come out later and ruin the ending. Not to mention the prequel movies they did to the movies as well. No matter the excuse to bring something back, if the finale has already happened, then anything that comes after only waters it down and makes it less impactful. The ending is mention to be exactly that, the end.

[@matthewfloyd5535]

Thank you! I don’t hear a lot of people talking about how JJ Abram’s copied A New Hope with the Force Awakens.

[@jeroenossel]

Star Wars was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders just before it died

[@murdermatics]

It's madame'n time.

[@jwroot]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@aaronreeve1414]

My favorite part was when they said “it’s Star Wars time” and Star Wars’d all over the place.

[@Lochias333]

Mom always said "Nothing lasts forever". We'll just have to watch the originals we have, and enjoy the memories of what we've had. Nothing can take those away.

[@daviru02]

May The Message be with you

[@geraldbouvy1222]

​@@daviru02😂

[@geraldbouvy1222]

There are so many great stories out here now. We are just going to have to start funding our own art. Art that doesn't discriminate

[@SpaceJawa]

"All good things come to an end..."

[@redpillredpill3216]

Damn right!

[@justhangin2389]

Last year's Star Wars Celebration really solidified this. Regardless of how bad Obi-Wan and Boba Fett were, at least they were still about legacy characters. Now, it's veered so far from that, it doesn't even look like Star Wars anymore.

[@olehoncho]

Bantam Spectra and Dark Horse Comics during the 90s wove together a cotinuing canon for Star Wars that is amazing in its continuity and variety of stories. People are free to criticize the quality of the EU and the eventual directions it went in - but the fact that both Lucasflim and Disney have stolen from the EU sources shows how creatively bankrupt the people managing Star Wars are. I remember buying the Micro-Machines models for the EU, the Essential Guide technical books, etc etc. The 90s was the real renaissance of Star Wars. The reality is that Star Wars has always been a battle between creatives. Lucas was always jealous of people with more talent than him - Marcia Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Steven Speilberg, Genndy Tartakovsky, etc etc. That spite led him down the path of sole creative for the Prequels - which suffered because of Lucas' "lack of vision". And now it's in the hands of Kennedy who has systematically destroyed one property after another because "the message" is more important than anything else - there's nobody in the company to question or challenge the direction. And these people know nothing about the creative process, oh sure they know the technical process of putting together a story and filming it - but everything they make will fail because they don't understand how necessary conflict is to creation - and these people would never dare to challenge their own ideas.

[@LOCATIONREDACTED]

Lucas made it happen, but it was such a serendipitous team effort from creatives, it's amazing it happened.

[@olehoncho]

@@LOCATIONREDACTEDJohn Rhys Davies did the Inside of You podcast with Michael Rosenbaum recently and talked about the production hell that was Raiders of the Lost Ark (because of the sickness that plagued the crew). Then you hear about how much of a battle the original Star Wars movie was for George to get made. Art from conflict. Kennedy is too thin-skinned and soft-handed. She was always the one talking to bankers, never in "the trenches" as it were. So yes, I give credit to Lucas for what he was able to accomplish - doesn't change the fact that by the time he made the Prequels, there was nobody in his organization to challenge him (Rick McCallum sure didn't).

[@bowtiewillem]

I have considered, and accepted Star Wars to be dead for a while now. And if it was just dead, Id be okay with it. But for some reason, Disney keeps digging up the decaying corpse and raping it, over and over again. It makes me sad

[@beingsshepherd]

😄

[@michaelwills1926]

The originals aren’t dead. Considering the immense effort that’s gone into ruining this franchise it’s obvious there is something about it that scares the shit out of them.

[@Aluze]

Thrawn was a very real, very calculating villian. He was more of a real person than a cartoon character Ruthless but not inflexible. He would kill some of his men on the spot for failures, but others he would encourage and point out their mistakes if he thought they had room to grow. Seeing him like a cardboard cutout smurf is a horrible insult for those of us who grew up with those books.

[@LoneWolf-rc4go]

Yeah. When he's first introduced in the EU he defeats an entire Rebel battlegroup using a single Star Destroyer; even when his subordinates are advocating for retreat. IIRC even Admiral Akbar was unsure of whether he'd be able to defeat Thrawn and that really drives home the point that this guy is somebody who could be as scary as Palpatine.

[@aboutface102]

I won’t believe the Rey trilogy is actually being released until it is literally in theaters. At that point I will have lost faith in humanity.

[@judgedrekk2981]

if it makes money I'll have lost faith in inhumanity.....i lost faith in humanity a long time ago....in fact it was one of the first things I lost....

[@mantasr]

Not having Mara Jade, an actual hot female character, in there somewhere and in fact making her impossible is a crime against humanity

[@ErikDeMann]

Same thing with Darth Talon, I guess my favourite Sith just didn't hate men enough to qualify for today's Star Wars matriarchy.

[@MsDesiree39]

hot and powerful. ah well. she is the definition of a strong female character

[@SolarDragon007]

Be grateful they HAVEN'T put her in. I'm beyond tired of Disney-Lucasfilm ripping off elements of the EU and doing them poorly.

[@jwroot]

George Lucas never liked Mara Jade unfortunately.

[@MsDesiree39]

any idea why he didnt?@@jwroot

[@Babylon1985]

As parent, I went from so excited to share star wars with my kids to practically avoiding it altogether in the span of 10 years. Feels bad.

[@xuvial1391]

Fans attaching themselves to a franchise is exactly how a franchise gets milked to death for money. No franchise is meant to keep going forever, but for some reason the fans keep expecting it to. It's the fans who incentivized corporations to turn Star Wars into an industry instead of a creative venture with heart. George Lucas was 100% part of that corporate industry intent on milking Star Wars fans 25 years ago.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Just show them the original trilogy and tell the kids that the rest are corporate fanfiction.

[@teekay1122]

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71or just let them make the decision themselves? 😂

[@user-ee7bz3ip2b]

If you make the distinction between Star Wars and Disney Star Wars, it makes it easier. For me, Disney isn't canon. Like Amazons Rings of Power, I comfortably ignore it.

[@Babylon1985]

@@teekay1122 yeah, that's where I'm at. I don't want to be that parent saying "you can't enjoy this", but for me personally most of the new stuff is so tainted, it just makes me frustrated. For instance, my younger kids love the mandalorian but after S3 and BoB, I just can't

[@ConsulYeti]

When I first saw "The Force Awakens," I knew it wasn't going to pan out well in their subsequent sequels. The prequels "worked" in terms of, at least, the Revenge of the Sith, with the exception of that Vader scene where he asks about Padme. But I digress. I concur with the Critical Drinker.

[@adamblyth9972]

The prequels were flawed, but you could see they were going for something great, they just fumbled the execution. This new shit... at this point I just pray they leave KOTOR alone.

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

I no longer care about Star Wars. I also no longer care about Marvel Comics, DC Comics, Star Trek, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, Jurassic Park, Pixar, Disney, blockbuster movies, movie stars, musicians, pro athletes, science fiction, and the list goes on. And gets bigger every day. It's sad, but when I look at the people who *do* still care about those things, I realize they are even sadder.

[@thegreatbloviator6817]

It's crazy how much of pop culture has been wreaked. Everything's been commodified, corporatized, and propagandized. There's no movie stars anymore and no auteurs making personal works of art. Sucks.

[@TFB3BibsyG]

Rewatching the good stuff and hearing everyone say "May the force be with you, always" knowing that in real life that the "force"/magic is gone is.... very sad...

[@bighand1530]

May the Lord be with You.

[@Tony-Tequalla]

​@@bighand1530 🙏👍✌

[@SpaceJawa]

Most Sci-Fi series try to explain 'magic' with science. Star Wars just straight-up acknowledges a higher power that sees a bigger picture than we could possibly imagine and is beyond our understanding.

[@jessejames8900]

The farce is female.

[@johnq.public3302]

We must be the bearers of the flame. The Magic lies within, don't let DEI WEF Blackstone stooges control your joy.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Everyone to EU Legends: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."

[@seanthompson8071]

Notice the books they are reprinting lately? All the Zahn and X-Wing books.

[@frankstallone3864]

yea other people saw that meme

[@JangoMike]

I hate the Vong as much as I hate TLJ hahaha

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

​@@JangoMikeAnd why is that ? Is the idea of biomechanical Borgs who are resistant to the Force that awful to you as much as Jake Skywalker and Ma-Rey Sue ? So dumb hahaha

[@Lonovavir]

I have the Timothy Zahn novels and want the X-Wing series bad.

[@jasonmcpherson4850]

I was watching the "making of" documentaries of Aliens over the weekend and was so impressed with the talent and passion of everyone involved. They all came together and created one of the best science fiction movies of all time. I couldn't help but notice, however, that they were mostly older white guys and as a result wouldn't be hired in today's environment. Imagine trying to create something like Aliens these days when you automatically eliminate a significant section of the industry because DEI is the major factor in your hiring process. It would be a farce...just like Disney Star Wars.

[@PictishMiniPainting]

I think Drinker is similar ages with me, (42) and as a young lad growing up in Aberdeen in the early 90's, as a huge Star wars fan, anything you got was treasured, and seeing stuff the USA had like toys etc we never got was a wonder. Shadows of the Empire was all the trappings of a SW film, but without the film, soundtrack, book, games, toys etc etc and it was still successful. I was a big EU book fan, read almost all of them, and seeing so many things from the EU books be picked out and bastardized into something to fit new disney it doesn't work, as the groundwork isn't there. Its just sad now, my 4 year old likes watching "Daddys favourite" A new hope, and he can watch what he wants but he will see the first 3 films first. Thrawn was also my favourite villain but from the OG Zahn books, and even in the new Thrawn series books he still very capable, but the one in the shows is an idiot, this is a guy who almost single handedly restructured the remnant empire into almost beating the new republic and only lost due to hubris and not expecting betrayal.

[@LavishPatchKid]

The fact it hasn't been corrected yet proves it's not 'an incompetence issue'. It's all by design; and the true root factor is 'letting corporations consolidate other corporations until the entire economy is the sandbox of a handful of people; who know they can use the public sector to cover their loses in the private'.

[@maniacaldude]

This is one of the reasons why I despise modern corporate power play.

[@LavishPatchKid]

@@maniacaldudeBefore 1890 - they weren't even allowed to buy each other. These laws can be changed back.

[@spencerhardy8667]

The deliberate destruction of every iconic American brand from Disney to Bud Light... goes hand in hand with the deliberate destruction of American society. It's far from an incompetence issue. It's very calculated.

[@AndreNitroX]

You’re right, a bad movie I can forgive a series of mediocrity and trash I cannot. This is a systemic problem instead of just one director

[@ajsouza3720]

Oh Vey

[@SourRobo8364]

"Everything has its time and everything dies." -The 9th Doctor

[@ArgentWolf95]

the best of new who doctors

[@meanstavrakas1044]

STAR WARS died a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.......

[@PatricksCrazyPlace]

Things like the treatment of Star Wars makes me somewhat thankful of the things I like that weren't successful but had brief runs that I enjoyed. Inhumanoids is a great example. Ran for 13 episodes, didn't make much of a splash, but it brought me joy by showcasing monsters and weird creatures for its short run. I remember it fondly and it not being successful means I won't get more and based on how everything else has been treated, I'm kind of thankful for that.

[@Slyarno2795]

At least the prequels give us memes.

[@mala6238]

Hello there...

[@Slyarno2795]

@@mala6238 general kenobi you are a bold one.

[@Lampoluke]

Biased because I loved the prequels, but that trilogy was such an economic succes, it made Star Wars so profitable, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more succesful than Sequel and Original combined. I understand hating the prequels, but holy shit they printed money.

[@mala6238]

@@Slyarno2795 back away, I will deal with this Jedi slime myself!

[@seanthompson8071]

@@LampolukeEveryone who did a deal with George Lucas (toys, fast food, etc...) for The Phantom Menace lost money.

[@grandmasterchris9666]

I’m currently in the acceptance stage of grief when it comes to Star Wars. It’s dead, and I know it will never be revived. But at least I’ll always have the original 6 movies and the EU. #RIPStarWars

[@pete5691]

My kids have started watching clone wars and loved the original 6. Good enough for me

[@grandmasterchris9666]

@@pete5691 Which one? Tartakovsky or Filoni? The Tartakovsky version is great, Filoni version is overrated garbage.

[@graye2799]

​@@grandmasterchris9666Eh. Both have issues. The 2008 show just loved to retcon shit it didn't need to retcon, and the 2003 show had absurdly OP jedi.

[@crusader2112]

​@@graye2799I think the way to look at the OP Jedi is that the Microseries is by viewing them as stories the people tell and people are known to exaggerate what they see.

[@pete5691]

@@grandmasterchris9666 Not sure. They are little kids so they like most anything star wars.

[@dalevintage]

"Welcome to the party pal!" This thumbnail headline became clear as day when George said he would never re-release the OG trilogy as it was originally shown in theaters, fans be damned. That was years before he sold it to Disney. Our Star Wars ended with the Episode 4 re-release. Been waiting for y'all to catch up since the "special edition" theater releases back in the late 90s. It's been frustrating watching everyone maintain this codependent and abusive relationship with Star Wars for decades. Happy you have finally accepted the reality. ❤️🎬 Acceptance is the hardest part.

[@katg-gk5ox]

Great as always. The Lizzo reference I laughed so hard that I had to pause this. I keep wondering if the point is to kill off the Star Wars IP, that that has some big advantage for them like not having to follow a universe's history etc? That would give some sense to what they've been doing. Thank you as always for articulating what so many of us feel like!

[@geoffreybrockmeier3765]

It’s not incompetence. It’s deliberate.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Indeed

[@CleverGirlAAH]

It's to create a new donor class. Elevating the undeserved, giving them million dollar careers for a back scratch.

[@Mrcharrio]

The only Star Wars Trilogy I truly care about is on VHS before enhanced versions and prequels and I feel lucky to have them.

[@seanthompson8071]

I have them as well!! ☺

[@ShadowCthulhu]

I still have the DVD editions that have the originals under the special features.

[@Jaze2022]

Have a look at the fan made harmy's despecialized edition

[@Xlen-omega]

Which ones do you have?

[@glencurtis6052]

Same

[@Buford_T_Justice1]

I feel the same way about Disney Star Wars as Rick James felt about Eddie Murphy’s white couch.

[@themainman00]

Obi-Wan should’ve been about finding his brother. Having Zero interaction with OT and Prequel characters, except storm troopers and officers but their just in the background. He first has to go back to Coruscant to get the files from the Jedi temple on the planet he came from. The running joke is that Obi-Wan doesn’t pay for anything, he over uses Jedi mind tricks. The reason to find his brother is to have him be a back up in case he doesn’t survive getting Luke where he needed to be.

[@SLIDESPOT]

I knew this the moment i walked out of The Last Jedi. I haven’t watched one star wars related thing since.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

I walked out vowing they would never get another dime of my money.

[@HammerHeart3229]

Same here. I actually liked Force Awakens even though it was a soft reboot, my interest in Star Wars going forward really hinged on what they did with The Last Jedi and they blew it. Haven't really looked back since.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

​@@HammerHeart3229A terribly lazy soft reboot that hinged on sequel baiting.

[@kri249]

Same here.

[@HammerHeart3229]

@@yrooxrksvi7142 Unfortunately in hindsight yes, I would have been willing to forgive it though if they didn't cock up Last Jedi. To be fair I was interested enough in the new characters in Force Awakens to see what they did with them in the next movie but again... They cocked it up!

[@rolf-arnesand2304]

It would be so easy for Iger to fix this: ”Kathleen? Hi, Bob here. I’m sorry, we have to let you go. Take care and enjoy your retirement. Bye. OK, people listen up. Get me the talent who made Andor, show them the trailer for The Force Awakens - not the movie - and tell them this is what we’re aiming for. Make a movie. And remember - as of now we don’t care about DEI anymore. Get going.”

[@LLCool254]

It’s crushing knowing this will never happen but damn this would have SO MUCH POTENTIAL to be amazing 🥲

[@AndreNitroX]

Even if this didn’t fix anything right away this would all make me feel better, but they refuse to even let me have that

[@georgedevries3992]

Yes, it would be if Iger wasn't a cultist presenting offerings to the altar of woke and his masters, the Chaos gods.

[@mikep4957]

RIP Star Wars. I remember drawing bad x-wings all over my folders in elementary school. Sad kids these days won't get the joy.

[@aab350z]

Infinite money and unlimited resources. Hundreds of books, novels and comics to take great stories from and characters to use and explore, and this is the crap they make. Over, and over, and over. It would make sense to some degree if it made them money, but it does the exact opposite. When you see who is in charge and who they hire to do this junk, and how everything is now obviously ran by activists or people are selected simply by the color of their skin for a social credit score, it's no wonder that everything is crap. They got rid of all the skilled talent, and replaced them with the dumbest people that don't even deserve to be there in the first place. What a sad time to be alive, watching the world do this. 20 years ago, I thought the future looked pretty bright. Then everyone decided to regress and start moving backwards again. The only thing that can turn it around is a nuclear war or a asteroid smashing into Hollyweird's "heiney-ho."

[@AndreNitroX]

Exactly I feel we are living in a bad timeline, while in the actual timeline the expanded universe was adapted in great movies and even great shows with all our favorite characters being amazing. The EU will always be my canon

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

The pendulum will always swing backwards and forwards. It just happens to be going backwards for Hollywood.

[@MaxIgnoramus]

They are doing it on purpose. If Disney stock ever gets low enough the FED will bail them out. This isnt an organic failure, its planned out to demoralise men and to further push women into narcissism. The plan is utterly destroy society and then rebuilt it.

[@aab350z]

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Lol. It isn't just Holly-weird. It's nearly every government in the western world. It's every bank and corporation in the western world. It's been going on for a decade easily with no end in sight. They just double and triple down, these "activists" will stay on that hill forever. Things are never going back in the direction you want in your lifetime, because these people are a disease, they call them "the simple idiots." Hard times are coming... This is unprecedented.

[@aab350z]

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Lol. It isn't just Holly-weird. It's nearly every government in the western world. It's also every bank and corporation in the western world. All on the same, exact, page. It's been going on for a decade easily with no end in sight. Things are never going back in the direction you want (at least in our lifetime), because these people are the "the simple idiots." Hard times are coming... This is unprecedented.

[@mikeshirleyforever]

It's like Disney are trying to piss us off. It's been overload. I was last hyped when The Force Awakens trailers came out and it certainly looked good. But there is more to Star Wars than just the art. The original films had such spectacle and charm that entices you to a galaxy far, far away. But Disney, my God. They just churn out project after project with hardly any sense of fun or thrill for a new viewer let alone a Star Wars follower. You're right, it is depressing. All that money thrown on the screen and no soul. I accepted The Force Awakens to an extent but when The Last Jedi happened, the nail hit the coffin for me. I just knew Star Wars was never going to be the same in Disney's hands. They haven't got a clue.

[@Jaze2022]

Same

[@Hero_Of_Old]

Psst. Its being done on purpose.

[@headshot217]

I clocked it immediately with Force Awakens, trash

[@joebeast15]

I tapped out after Last Jedi. I think for a lot of people it was that one that really killed it

[@cobbler9113]

I was rewatching the scene from New Hope when the Death Star gets destroyed and I had forgotten how that whole scene is so intense from the moment they announce the Death Star has cleared the planet, right up until it blows up. There wasn’t anything from the sequel trilogy which made me feel that at all. In fact it didn’t come close to making me sit on the edge of my seat. The whole thing was ridiculous. The prequels had plenty of faults (terrible dialogue), but the fight scenes were something else. Duel of the Fates was brilliant, Yoda vs Count Dooku was incredible for 10 year old me and the duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan is still one of the best of all time.

[@johnprime1147]

The Disney Star Wars is a Masterpiece. It deserves a CW Live Action Show

[@bcdside]

14:59 Mauler bang on. For nearly a decade now - especially after TLJ - the backlash to “Star Wars” has been far more entertaining than the properties themselves.

[@EthanDarke]

At this point the only thing that could reignite my interest in Star Wars would be something about Stormtroopers in the vein of 'Band Of Brothers' or 'All Quiet On The Western Front'

[@chrissawyer1484]

Or Troops.

[@EnnuiPilgrim]

Oh yeah, gritty Stormtroopers story in the vein of Band of Brothers would be cool. But it's too masculine it would never be made in this era.

[@WDGFE]

“If you cannot understand why someone did something, look at the consequences-and infer the motivation.” -Carl Jung

[@TheToekutter]

Disney buying Star Wars is like buying a Kentucky Derby winner, and instead of breeding it to make future champions...you grind it up and turn it into dog food, or you end up breeding it with donkeys instead.

[@e-man374]

When I was three years old I went to see Star Wars in the theaters. I was scared to death of Vader but I LOVED the series! 30 years later I introduced my son, who was 3, to Star wars, he LOVED it and ran the tape into the ground watching it. We have watched it evolve over the years and have seen the demise of the greatest story of all time. I recenly purchased the Mandelorian on blu ray and he was slightly insulted by it. I thought this was in a galaxy far far away, they don't have the garbage we deal with....

[@Flitalidapouet]

Throwing your light saber over your shoulder and drinking green milk is 100% Star Wars now 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@douglasarthur2673]

That's Disney Wars, not Star Wars. Now Disney is giving us 'a lesbian romp where Frozen meets Kill Bill'.......WTF ??

[@JRBK416]

I’ll never understand the hate for the prequels

[@Zach_TheGamer]

I was born in 2004 and the Prequels, the Clone Wars (including season 7), the Original Trilogy, and all pre-Disney video games will all always be a package deal as being my childhood. This is the Star Wars I will always remember and enjoy.

[@jaysonzambito8803]

Hearing people like Leslie Headland saying Star Wars changed her life and she’s been a big Star Wars fan since she was a kid, reminds me of that time when I wanted to start DJing for my elementary school house parties and the only mixer I can afford was between two generic Radio Shack mixers and the middle aged sales man pitching the more expensive one telling me « I’m a DJ and I use this one. »

[@travtotheworld]

The Star Wars I grew up with is always with me. I still have the DVDs that have the original theatricals as special features. I still have my memories. I even have the KZbin videos of people going on the old Disney World ride. I don't engage with the new stuff, but they can never take the old stuff away from me.

[@seanthompson8071]

I still have the original trilogy ... in original form ... on VHS. 😉

[@jamesrogers1554]

Yep. I saw those when they came out a dozen years ago and snatched them up thinking it would be a while until they released a bonafide copy. Little did I know it looks like it was the last time.

[@Mereologist]

I was fortunate enough to snag a 'special edition' when they remastered and changed everything. The 'special edition' had the unedited originals on DVD as a 'bonus feature'. I kept the bonus feature and threw out the rest, lol.

[@AndreNitroX]

Well said, just don’t engage with the new content and Star Wars is alive and well. The expanded universe and the 6 movies is all I need to remain happy

[@pointeddown]

I don’t know if George was going to give us anything better than Disney. It was a perfect storm in the 70’s and 80’s. I’m ok with saying there were only 3 movies like how the Indiana Jones only has 3. Everything has it’s time and I’m happy to have gotten to enjoy it when it was something.

[@KHConnect]

I still have my original Lego star wars. That's the only story you'll ever need ❤

[@Malryth]

Hey Drinker, I'm stopping this at 11:49 to comment now. I am a Gen X, born in Ontario Canada in the Summer of 1968. Star Wars Changed my Life. I Bleed it more than Trek, and that Star Wars Poster on my Bedroom door of Darth Vader flanked by 2 Storm Troopers holding blasters was even more terrifying for "little me" after Return of the Jedi. That being said, I am like you. There must be some sort of Dark Corruption going on, or Disney just Loves to Loose Money. I actually heard Timothy Zahn talking at a Toronto Trek Convention in Toronto around 1994 or so. He talked about his experience writing in George Lucas's Star Wars Universe as akin to playing in the driveway. Whenever George backed out his truck your stuff was at risk. I bet he never even Dreamed Disney would pick and choose from his Iconic Novels to feed their Lawyers Dreams... Disney is Far, Far, FAR more Evil than Darth Vader ever was...

[@mattkevlarlarock5469]

I grew up with the OG movies. There was real love that went into Star Wars, and now it's just product.

[@codyw1]

Old time Doctor Who fans feel the same way. They've all been gobbled up and turned into soulless shite.

[@stephvondames6369]

When it becomes a product, you know there's no heart left.

[@xuvial1391]

Star Wars became a corporate product with the Prequels, but fans like to pretend that wasn't the case. George Lucas became every bit the profit-driven corporate shill that he originally criticized in the 80s.

[@DainRiffgin89]

Star Wars in the 90s was actually thriving, as we had the special editions, video games, “Essential Guide To” book series, and of course the novels. Heck LucasArts kept Star Wars relevant almost all by itself for years. Yet now, even with lots of tv shows being released, interest (and fan goodwill) are at an all time low. I mean, The Bad Batch animated series is going on, and almost no one (aside from Thor Skywalker) is talking about it (he’s someone who would be a great guest for Star Wars talk). Partially since EA has an exclusive license with Star Wars, throttling how many games can be made. Just a few years ago I was still hopeful that some good could come of it, and we would see fan favorites show up (like Kyle Katarn in Rangers of the New Republic). Now, I don’t want them to go anywhere near them. They already ruined my favorite villain Thrawn, they had better not touch Mara Jade!

[@AndreNitroX]

I love Thor skywalker he is a great mediator but is not afraid to say Star Wars is lacking. The real Star Wars will live on through the expanded universe, the 6 movies and the fans that enjoy that universe far far away

[@davidgantenbein9362]

Honestly, Bad Batch is one of those things I never know of it is out or not, if it’s any good and what it’s about. Whenever that name drops, I realize that I should be interested in at least knowing more about it, but minutes later it dropped out of my mind due to lack of care or interest from my side.

[@NotSpecialDude]

The star wars fanbase has collectively gone through the 5 stages of Grief these past few years. And we are now reaching acceptance.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯💯Along with Apathy.

[@PilotSun-rg9bh]

This was a great clip! Everyone had great points and well said. More of this please!

[@TheWarmachine375]

The Acolyte trailer has a lot of hilarious punchlines at its deserved expense.

[@dereklopez9060]

And it had so many red flags.

[@joelarmstrongmusic]

I remember the first time I played all the way through Dark Forces and how Star Wars it felt and sounded, but an original story line and it just fed into my Star Wars obsession. It hasn’t felt like star wars for a long time now 😢

[@charlesjmouse]

Speaking as someone who remembers the carnival atmosphere just queuing around the block for Star Wars in 1977 it's not that I don't care for Disney Star Wars, I don't care about any of it any more. I might have watched the OT hundreds of times and the prequels a fair bit too, but I'm not bothered to watch any of it any now... that's the damage the evil mouse has wrought. The only reason Star Wars isn't completely dead to me is I get to point and laugh every time the evil mouse shits out another disaster. Even if by some miracle somebody came along, bought Star Wars and de-canonised everything Disney has done, then released a trilogy of the best Star Wars films ever released, I don't think I could be bothered to go see them such is my disinterest and apathy.

[@MarkM430]

I was thinking of the recent crop of Star Wars garbage and the failed Disney Start Wars hotel and tourist destination and wondering why that too bombed. Star Wars is ultimately about the victimization of the galaxy by the Empire and the rise of the rebellion. Unlike the "Victims" who have taken over the creative license and the direction of Star Wars, the victims that formed the rebellion, rather than whining about their status and trying to use it as a crutch to gain favor, rejected the 'victim' label and fought to overcome the Empire. The Rebellion didn't carry it's burdens.... screaming for recognition of their plight and demanding the local shop owner post a 'rebellion' flag in the window... they worked together to overcome and adapt and ultimately win. The secret is, the Rebellion never excepted the victim label, never whined that the Empire was being meanies, and never punished everyone around that would of and could have helped had they not been insufferable babies. The 21st century "Victims" running the StarWars franchise now will never understand the victims of the Empire, and never understand why we as fans rooted for the Rebellion to win. They sit confused as to why we would cheer for a young orphan farmer boy battling against all odds then a few decades later not cheer for a purple haired cringe general..... it must be sexism for sure.

[@makocrab2223]

As a Transformers fan, this is how it’s been since the first live action Transformers movie in 2007. At first I was cautiously optimistic, but as the sequels have trudged out, I find myself dreading that they’ll put my favorite characters into these movies. They’ve already destroyed so many of my favs. I’d rather the ones they haven’t gotten to yet stay forgotten in their little cartoons from eras gone by.

[@nordtwentysix]

THANK YOU!!!! I was 5 when Transformers hit (TV screens, toys and comics...etc). It was everything to me as a kid and still very much is as an adult. The live action movies broke my heart......they are going after Tron next😢

[@madhukarg8052]

I became a fan because of the movies, I am not saying this to make fun of you but it's a guilty pleasure fucking bayham 😂

[@nordtwentysix]

Make fun of who? You ain't making fun of me....your the one who likes the Bayverse Transformers

[@kri249]

Same with me. At age 5 everything was Transformers. The 1986 animated film is the ONLY Transformers movie. Till all are one!

[@geraldbouvy1222]

The new comic series Is fantastic. If you are a G1 fan like myself. (Date, I have spent 44,000 dollars on Masterpiece transfomers only G1. No beastwars. so I fancy myself a little bit of a discerning fan. Lol).

[@Starwarslegorob]

It’s gone 😢

[@chasehedges6775]

It's dead

[@Thenorm127]

As a kid, the OT and PT felt genuinely special, there was nothing like them. I don’t feel that way about the ST, the magic is gone

[@evenhartwick4422]

yeah they cranked out to much to quick even if all the new content was great i feel like the specialness of star wars would wear off. would Christmas still be fun if Christmas was every day? studios have forgotten to give these big franchises breathing room from one another. the Monsterverse has become one of my favorite modern day big budget franchises because we gotta wait a few years in-between each new installment it gives me time to get hyped for the next one

[@DisapprovingPigeon]

Even the classic Battlefront games from back in the day arent safe.

[@ZAKKANWAKKAR]

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women. And to know that, like Indiana Jones, there are only three Star Wars movies.

[@irishbob26]

Hell at this point I might even say 6 if we promise to go no further. 😂

[@TI4438]

This pleases Crom!

[@jonhall3151]

AMEN! This applies to many franchises, here lately.

[@matebalazs1575]

"Hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper."

[@donweatherwax9318]

@TI4438 Crom doesn't care. And if he doesn't: to hell with him!

[@1999fxdx]

I watched the 3 originals in the theaters, many times, and still would. All the prequels were VHS and the sequels …. No. And nothing since then. Like you said, dead and buried.

[@Belaraniel]

Star Wars was dead to me when Han Solo died. Never watched the other two in that trilogy and never will. I gave them a second chance with Obi-wan, because the continuation of him and Vader was something I had wanted for years. After that load, I consider myself an OT Star Wars fan, and will never watch anything that Disney is attached to again.

[@bryceoberg2255]

You guys should make a Star Wars fan film. Love you guys!!

[@Thaumaturge2251]

Disney bought Star Wars, it couldn't buy its fans tho.

[@ForceMaximus84]

They certainly thought they could or they would be gullible enough to continue with them.

[@DirtyDadJokes]

There was great point made here… that there are people who *actively enjoy seeing these properties destroyed.* How is it that no one in charge can see that running off long-time fans can only ruin a brand’s value?

[@timberwolfe1645]

Just like with the recent Percy Jackson series on TV. Imagine watching it then you read the book and suddenly, it's like....WAIT!!!ANNABETH IS BLONDE, WHITE ,AND GREY EYES!!!! NOT BLACK AND STUPID

[@fhlostonparaphrase]

Star Wars died for me when Disney took over, and I decided there and then that I was never going back. And if I look at the old movies now, I realize how silly and "soft" sci-fi they really are. But I still have the Dark Horse comics, and Disney can't ruin those.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

nothing wrong with simplicity, which was the OT star wars, it made blending the 2 genres of fantasy and scifi work

[@fhlostonparaphrase]

@@ItsaKindOfMagic86Sure, SW is fantasy/adventure movies, that have their place. But as I've matured I prefer sci-fi with at least a semblance of real science in it.

[@Arizona-ex5yt]

The entire business model is broken. How many action figures, Blu-Ray sets, and Disney Plus Subscriptions will the "Acolyte" sell? NONE. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, this show doesn't have any possibility of paying off its massive budget. The production of these shows is indeed some sort of boondoggle or scam.

[@bighand1530]

I accepted this a while ago. Obvious they are more interested in sending a message than money. And my hope is in God, not the movie industry or Star Wars. May the Lord be with You.

[@mikerotonda6264]

I came to that conclusion when I was in my 20s... I realized the fact that since the Empire strikes back was released , Star Wars has never made a movie as good as that ever again....

[@mpaige101]

Drinker, I think you nailed it with, “It’s not a creative endeavor anymore.” The OT was made out of a love for old serials, storytelling, and cinema, and now there’s no sense of creative passion, or reason behind making these newer movies and shows. There’s no vision as to why this universe needs to continue, or why there are still stories to be told.

[@stevejones8550]

They completely fucked marvel up too. Initially I was soooooo excited at the prospect of countless projects. But....pretty much all ended up being shit. Almost all of it

[@chasehedges6775]

The MCU ended after Infinity War and GOTG3

[@sfoyoung88]

It’s sad how many people can’t let go even though they hate modern SW.

[@bighand1530]

There is things that goes well beyond Star Wars. And Star Wars is not just any franchise.

[@georgedevries3992]

Same goes for many franchises that have been offered to the Ruinous Powers, in the name of woke. World of Warcraft, for example.

[@genius2005]

RIP Star Wars from a 1st Generation Star Wars fan who remembers when I was in 7 years old and saw Star Wars for the first time like it was yesterday.

[@MichaelJohnsonAzgard]

I grew up in the 70's and 80's but let's clear one thing up. What I get from the original Star Wars trilogy more than anything are the amazing sound effects. This was always above the characters, spaceships, space battles, story, Jedi battles, set designs and even the music. The prequels brought many more new and great sound effects which were as good, which makes the prequel trilogy as good for me. Since Disney's purchase however, they haven't added anything new and just reuse old stock.

[@shawnadams1965]

Going deep into the Jar Jar Binks was a Sith Lord Iceberg makes the preguels a lot better. If only George had the balls to go through with it.

[@fhlostonparaphrase]

If Lucas only had the balls to have Jar Jar decapitated.

[@andrewwilliams6010]

Totally agree...JJB was to well hidden in TPM. Lucas didn't or couldn't defend his creation and was clearly made to put a well known actor to be the sith ' Count Dooko ' . The reveal in part 2 would have been massive for all the haters of JJB. setting JJB as a true villain.

[@markcoledrumteacher]

Drinker's analogy regarding Lizzo made me laugh harder than I probably should have. Kudos!

[@patrickdepoortere6830]

I'll be sitting in the orchestra for a screening of Return of the Jedi with NJSO in little more than a week, so there IS something to be excited about...

[@salvation7362]

I made my piece with it, the original trilogy was made for me, the prequels and sequels were made for different generations. Thanks to having the true theatrical releases of the OG trilogy in my collection, it's not lost. I can watch it whenever I want and enjoy MY Star Wars and every now and then I get a little bit more for me like The Mandalorian for 2 seasons, Rogue One and Andor... I'm content. It's more than I ever thought I'd get after watching The Return of The Jedi in 1983.

[@bippityboppity6969]

Hell yea right on drinker. keep up the good work- love to see rk on this panel!