Drinker's Chasers - The Great Fallout Debate

[@spergnation1859]

Fun fact: power armor has lights. You don't have to fumble around in the dark to shoot a filthy ghoul.

[@desertmammoth3159]

Thank you! I made an audible disgruntled noise at that scene. I mean I had to go back and see if their helmets actually had torches attached and they do! Lol

[@fffx2]

Only in Fallout 4

[@StalkerQtya]

Lights. Night Vision. Thermovision. Even frickin autoaim. All depends on what upgrades the system received and T-60 should be the absolute top of the line.

[@StalkerQtya]

@@fffx2 It's on since Fallout 1. The power armour on the game's poster already has the lights on the top of the helmet. It was just never used, since it was an old CRPG. Fallout 3 didn't used it. New Vegas never had the chance to implement it, due to it being rushed. Fallout 4 got it right... Power Armour was one of the few things that game got right.

[@imjustsomeguy5048]

​@@StalkerQtya Except for the fact that power cores should last for one hundred years, as it was written in the description in the old games. On the other hand though, I have to concede that the power armour in fallout 4 is one of the best mechanics in the game.

[@CadmeanLotus]

In Fallout 3, there is a quest where you try to appeal to people's humanity to allow ghouls to live in Tenpenny Tower, alongside humans. Many are open to the idea and want to be kind. If you succeed, leave, and return later, you'll find that every single person has been killed by the ghouls. What did Todd mean by this?

[@AquilaGuard]

That the world isnt black and white and trying to do the right thing isnt simple or clearcut. Its like saying everyone should just take the homeless into their homes and there, problem solved. In reality sometimes that will work and sometimes that will lead to robbery or worse.

[@aisnota5192]

That the cycle of hatred and bigotry runs so deep that there is no easy answers to dealing with it. Duh.

[@coryjohnson2486]

@@aisnota5192tribal humans gonna tribal human

[@QualicSelf]

Something about immigration

[@aisnota5192]

@@QualicSelf No.

[@Esure101]

How can people claim to be fans of these games and not know that a) the Communists were Chinese not Russians and b) That the Prydwin appeared in Fallout 4, not New Vegas LOL

[@desertmammoth3159]

I think the older guy said he spammed Fallout NV for 6 weeks and that sounded like his entire experience of the franchise, though it also sounded like he had at least played through Fallout 4, so its forgivable for him mixing them up. Not knowing the Chinese were the other party in the Great War was big cringe though.

[@Whiskey0880]

Maybe it's easy to get them mixed up because both those countries in reality were\are communist.

[@yourewrongabouteverything]

Because capitalism is worse I guess 🤷

[@Gakusangi]

Yeah, I really think that Drinker also needs to go back and play Fallout 1, 2 and NV again. I think he's really forgotten what those games are about, what their tone is and what the writing was like. And that's all besides the lore, which the show just ignores.

[@GazzerYid09]

N saying the brotherhood were the remnants of the U.S military as well when that's what the enclave are, the brotherhood having renounced their allegiance to the U.S government after they found out about the FEV experiments that were taking place at their military base, pretty big difference

[@AngelCruz-fc9rf]

I hate the fact that they just accept that ghouls just have super healing abilities. That has never been the case, like if you cut their throat they fucking bleed out, they aren't fucking deadpool. You get shot in the back twice I expect you to deal with it later not sit down eat a tato and not even use a stimpack

[@johnmathews2030]

So then, Ghouls should just be Humans that can withstand radiation and live longer?

[@mommasbigboy8656]

@@johnmathews2030isn’t that what they are In the game?

[@johnmathews2030]

@@mommasbigboy8656 Ghouls also regenerate when exposed to radiation to the point they can reattach limbs or in the case of the Marked Men survive being constantly flayed alive by a radioactive sandstorm. The show changed it from healing from radiation and feralness being random to increased healing at all times and feralness being held back by a mystery serum, which ghouls are now dependant on. Also, we can't ignore the fact that Cooper was eating throughout the fight.

[@RavenofChaos1]

Well only one ghoul on the show is Super ghoul and that's Cooper. All the others die normally.

[@jonathanbaker4361]

Maximus has the idiot savant trait and 10 luck

[@william.mariner4230]

Under rated insight

[@pegeta]

I didn't like him at all.

[@wp2746]

There we go😊

[@Rayeskie27]

+1 to this someone who gets it... mauler was fuming cause he was too serious with a Fallout universe that doesnt take itself seriously

[@thelordofcringe]

He is 1000% a 1 intelligence run, and I can't believe how few people realize it. He's like comically idiotic, I think they just dismiss it as bad writing because it's juxtaposed with his own emotional struggle within the BoS.

[@dragonmcmx]

You gotta love how Barb's reason for suggesting to nuke the world is that because the current world has factions there will always be war and war never changes, and then her solution is to have hundreds of different vaults compete for who gets to repopulate the earth because "the spirit of competition makes us so great"

[@Shockguey]

Libertarians hate governments enough to destroy them.

[@dragonmcmx]

@@Shockguey Nuking the world?

[@Shockguey]

@@dragonmcmx Unironically yes. Ancaps are defined by their blind worship of Mises and hatred of government. This fullfils their "a man is an island" mythology.

[@etanb1]

@@Shockguey I'll be sure to let them know

[@Shockguey]

@@etanb1 Thanks Bill Murray, very cool.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Trans member of BOS, immediately self-harms. What did Bethesda mean by this?

[@botep5529]

I thought that was so ironic

[@kubza4366]

Based Bethesda?

[@yewtewbstew547]

Damn lol I didn't even make that connection. At least she didn't have a mental breakdown and then rush an armed police officer with a knife. Silver lining.

[@travismcnasty51]

Reflective of reality.

[@saitzo2325]

but you know that they will add that character as his scribe on season 2.. so that part of the story will suck hard unless some monster happens to eat the character after 2minutes lol.

[@MATHEWBuchanan-c5j]

I'm glad to finally see a debate between friends and you guys are still good after that you don't see that anymore

[@shayZero]

Fucking brilliant that were not an echo chamber and we CAN have the debates, without bust ups.

[@Gakusangi]

Oh yeah, I've been WAITING for this discussion to happen after Drinker said he liked the show because I knew someone was going to disagree. I wasn't disappointed, this was going to be a good discussion.

[@ickyconcrete5370]

Yeah felt uncomfortable at first since it's so rare, but great to see.

[@justlivin2499]

Better than the screaming matches people usually get into over shows like this. They aren't just going "You are sub human if you like this show!!!" or "You just hate everything!!!" there is a genuine discussion going on

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Who is we? I’ve seen some nasty things in these comments roasting people for actually enjoying the show.

[@trashed4005]

Keep telling yourself you're not an echo chamber lol. Most of these people only ever have an agenda.

[@tatuvarvemaa5314]

I think its great to see people disagree on if they liked or disliked the show, it really shows that people do think critically and arent just saying stuff thats going to be the most popular take. It also brings a great example of disagreeing and debating in a constructive way. Its how we figure out what makes something objectively good.

[@fr0ck360]

Yeah sadly some critics resorts to throw slurs when someone give valid criticism towards them. Like yeah it’s okay to not like it and criticize, but to the point of downright hating people for simply liking it is just unhinged. Kudos to people know who I’m talking about.

[@Gakusangi]

THIS, this is a lesson I wish most people could learn. Agree to disagree isn't just a thing you say when want an argument to stop, it's actually just accepting that people have different opinions and that you don't have to turn every discussion into an actual debate.

[@darthgamer9861]

amen. I’m worried we are inching closer to the attitudes of the woke left, where if you step slightly out of line you are demonized.

[@desertmammoth3159]

Get out of here with your reasonable observations

[@robchuk4136]

Agreed. However I personally feel about the show, I like seeing a spirited debate

[@ThreeSeatStarboard]

"The Enclave is small in the games" Laughs in Frank Horrigan.

[@Shiftinggers]

In F:NV they are because the Chosen One wiped out their West Coast operations for good

[@AndrewRyan-zv7zb]

They initially weren't supposed to exist outside of the oil rig. They were gonna be small, but Bethesda cant let a good thing die in its time.

[@MultiKbarry]

They should be most definitely be non existent at this point. They’ve been wiped out 3 times.

[@DMKA94]

​@@MultiKbarry New Vegas was the perfect send off for the enclave.

[@katajiro8178]

How tall was Frankie? 5 or 6 meters?

[@Stiggandr1]

The thing that non fallout fans don't realize is that there's Todd Howard Fallout, and there's Non Todd Howard Fallout. Todd Howard Fallout has VERY low consequences, spoon fed morals, and forced story decisions. It's aesthetically distinct, but it's safe, and controlled. Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen. Rose's story in New Vegas was more morally nuanced than deciding to purge the railroad in FO4, and she's just one of many companions. Sussing out the morality of any one faction in New Vegas is incredibly hard. Even the Khans, who at first seem like little more than organized raiders, have significant moral justification and historic tragedies to contend with. All that to say, This show is Todd Howard Fallout.

[@177SCmaro]

That's a really good observation. It's important to note, also, there is something of a generation gap in fallout. Most of the people reading your comment probably started with fallout 3 and never played the first two, which were much different animals.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"Non Todd Howard Fallout is much more dynamic, quirky, awkward, messy, gritty, ridiculous and has a distinct world and story. You get legitimately difficult moral conundrums and dark revelations followed up with the kookiest nonsense you've ever seen." I don't think you've actually played Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.

[@vincelang3779]

I'm not disputing anything you say here. HOWEVER. Tim Cain praised the show. PR speak? Genuine appreciation? Some third option? . . .

[@Spiffo0]

The thing that non Fallout fans need to realise is that people like you are literally not worth listening to at all. You wont ever be happy. You want New Vegas to be copy and pasted forever. Nothing can ever change. While the vast majority of people think the show is great, you'll still be here grasping at straws claiming to be the "true fallout fans" while everyone else moves on. You're not intelligent, you're not insightful, you're just a contrarian.

[@Spiffo0]

@@vincelang3779 He's an adult with adult opinions. These are children trying to pretend they're "original fans" and being needlessly negative towards anything new. They'll cope and seethe making excuses saying Tim Cain was paid off or is threatened to praise the show because these fanatics are genuinely deluded.

[@dquiroga100-rt1mn]

This was the true “civil war” we all didn’t expect

[@EatWave]

A civil discussion does not a civil war make.

[@Ajax-wo3gt]

@@EatWave Right? Someone commented on last weeks open bar that drinker and mauler "broke up" over Lady Gaga, and in reality it was one of the most civil discussions I'd ever seen on the internet.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

@@EatWave these people in the video had a civil discussion, the same cannot he said for those in the comments, let alone the rest of the audience. I really didn’t understand why so many people are so outraged that people enjoyed the show. I almost feel like they’ve been so conditioned to hate everything that comes out these days, that when something the Audience does enjoy, they have to look for any reason to dislike it less they experience cognitive dissonance

[@aSSGoblin1488]

as a video game adaptation this is a 10/10. anyone remembers dragon ball?? shudders played 1 to 4 and all dlc's in between. pretty surprised that people did not like the show. the term hate grift comes to mind. tbh before the show released, the female protag in the show gave apprehension to be a girl boss.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

@@aSSGoblin1488 or heck even the halo show which also streamed on Prime/Paramount. This was 1000 times better than that garbage. And I’ll admit I was very apprehensive about this show after initially seeing the trailer. But after the first episode I found myself enjoying it and binged the whole thing in a night. I really like Lucy’s character. She very much reminds me of the first time I played Fallout 3 trying my hardest to do a good karma run and eventually saying F it.

[@mick2846]

I’m guessing china’s fault in the war was removed so they could sell this show in china..

[@montarakid1943]

I'd like to think that isn't true, but...🤔

[@Mitch19222]

Of course that's why... bing chilling

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Exactly, and that's the thing I hate most. Even though it was the conflict between China and the US that caused the Great War in the games, there were still nuanced characters like Captain Zao. That's a TON more nuance than anything the CCP would portray if they'd created a Chinese Fallout with a ghoulified American captain. He would be portrayed as completely evil. I HATE how Hollywood, Amazon, and AAA studios now pander to the CCP. Disney even yeeted Finn's character from the Chinese Star Wars sequel posters, and they changed the lighting on the Chinese "The Little Mermaid" to make her look almost White because China hates Black characters. I wonder how Amazon will alter Maximus for the Chinese version. . .

[@diomedes7971]

​@@montarakid1943... Its the largest singular market on the planet.

[@dragoncat5412]

You do realize it was never stated who dropped the first bomb right? On top of that it's not confirmed that vault tec dropped the bombs just because they said they were willing to. If they were the ones who did, don't you think house or vault tec would have been more prepared. The main character of fallout 4 barely got to the vault on time

[@idrea7506]

Vault-Tec is not just capitalist, they are specifically corporatist

[@AusSP]

Not just corporatist, they were in league with the Enclave in Fallout 2. Not directly, but the Enclave President claims responsibility for the Vault experiments. So all the unethical Vault-tec stuff was government backed and endorsed.

[@jonahryan7034]

@@AusSP So it was outright fascist then

[@unusualaussie9606]

@@AusSP is that in number 2?

[@fyrchmyrddin1937]

Complaint about Vault-Tec being stup|d when they shouldn't be is utterly invalid; the point was some of the experiments conducted in the Vaults were just nuts.

[@MauroGagliega]

By Tim Cain's admission, the original creator, Vault-Tec's experiments, while unethical, were supposed to be utilized to advance humanity's science to get off the Earth in order to repopulate another planet. The experiments weren't supposed to be wacky and atrocious for the sake of it. Considering a journey to another planet would be a multi-generational endeavour, the Vaults needed to stress-test the few humans alive in a closed and controlled environment for different purposes: growing crops, continuous breeding, how to cope with mechanical failures etc... They weren't supposed to be Saw movies...

[@WayToGoChamp]

Ugh this is infuriating to watch without being able to chirp in because every single person here is either unable to refer to the games or is incorrectly referencing things and ignoring larger context

[@earth5043]

It is because people that say the show is faithful to the games are just outright wrong

[@isaacsee3807]

⁠@@earth5043as a person whos never played the games, i feel like the show makes me feel like im experiencing a game, which itself makes show lackluster but the argument can go anyways but overall i feel like the show did what it needed to do

[@lonewolf9578]

@@isaacsee3807true, there’s a few small jokes that reference stuff in the games like the shooting and overencumbered joke

[@samuelmendoza5986]

​@earth5043 the show definitely got stuff wrong but as I listen to half of maulers complaints half of them are because he either didn't pay attention or doesn't know the game lore. Except for the moldaver, no defending 9/10ths of that garbage heap of a plan

[@johnmathews2030]

@@samuelmendoza5986 Who said going through 32 to get to 33 was her plan? That is an assumption MauLer is making. For all we know, she went to 32 to get their Overseer but found them dead. Then, she either snooped around and found out about the conveniently timed trade coming up or she knew about the trades because of Rose and went around that time so if things went wrong and the Overseer got ended then she wouldn't have to wait long for another chance.

[@zaynevanday142]

Didnt Lucy get a full dose of Radioactive Raider Semen ? 😂😂😂

[@PhonesHQ]

This might not be where you’re coming from… but I’ve noticed what seems to be a weird trend of media in 2024 just ignoring the fact that sex can result in pregnancy. I was pretty baffled when the movie Poor Things did a deep dive on feminine sexuality and simply ignored the subject of pregnancy entirely, despite showing many graphic sex scenes that imply insemination. Particularly odd because the premise of story made it so all they needed was a throw-away line in the beginning about how Bella was unable to reproduce…

[@vkdeen7570]

​@PhonesHQ that wasn't so much what bothers me what I did find odd was that a a raider allows himself to be taken on a table ans rode by a naive vault dweller ... like we know how that scene would actually go. it felt like they wanted an "empowering woman on top scene" which just didn't fit u could fudge that he was irradiated and had such a low sperms count that its unlikely she would get pregnant. or maybe she will at some point find out she is pregnant there are some odd things but tbh most of the time its not a bad effort for a video game adaptation

[@Zenn3k]

@@PhonesHQ They do eventually imply that she cannot due to the c-section, in this era, maybe that is true? Although they had other weird medicines, but her whore friend also had a scar and worked the same job with no pregnancy issue either, so maybe they were unable?

[@Zenn3k]

@@vkdeen7570 Lucy made is very clear she was ready to get down to business like twice before the marriage happens, so her being eager is fine. Had she resisted, I can see what you mean. Also yeah, the "Whats your sperm count" could be a nod to it being likely a raider would have a low count to being exposed to the rads, so that can work too. You guys keep trying to create problems where they don't exist, just have some fun, its a fun show, its not flawless, but its very much in the right spirit.

[@purefoldnz3070]

the Ghoul baby will be in the next season.

[@etherz0ne]

The bars been set so low. I think alot of people are just starved for anything remotely fun

[@Zac_Frost]

I think you might be onto something.

[@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177]

That is exactly what is happening bro and I’m tired of it they are the reason we keep on getting these woke shit shows

[@jmlaw8888]

This. I felt the same about Baldurs Gate 3. A pathetic faux "sequel" to my favourite game of all time. Either peoples intelligence has degraded that much or producers hire extemely dilligent fake fans or highly convincing bots. I look at whats considered high quality today and despair. It doesnt even seem to be motivated by critical thinking but fad herd mentality. I sat and watched Cyberpunk 2077 release and said "guys its not that bad its maybe 6-7 territory. Just about passing grade if you ignore the criminally broken last gen release". Then Phantom Liberty drops and Im like "guys its not that good. Its still the same 6-7 game it was its just been tweaked a bit."

[@fancyelk2373]

​@@jmlaw8888 womp womp

[@ravenzyblack]

It’s the age of mediocrity. Swiftly followed by the age of Idiocracy.

[@kage2907]

Lucy starts in Santa Monica beach which is just about 8 miles away from the Observatory that Moldiver is in. In Episode 8 we get a sky view of the geography, they literally could have watched Lucy's adventure with binoculars.

[@stevef68]

BUT, how or why were they in the desert and forest???

[@Iceaxe0410]

​@stevef68 It's over 200 years after the bombs dropped in 2077. The land and environment would change with time. You would be surprised with how diverse the land is around Los Angeles. For example I live about 20 miles from the city and it is wetland area that was converted to a city with mostly concrete. You wouldn't know it was a wetland before. As for forests, Los Angeles is surrounded by forests as you move away from the main city. California also has deserts as you go east towards Nevada (like fallout New Vegas and the mojave).

[@Pink.andahalf]

The funniest part of this is watching dudes who barely remember playing some of the Fallout games try to support the show with that knowledge.

[@sheldoncoffelt1891]

I did play the games but I've also accepted Bethesda doesn't care for established lore and especially not from people who aren't a part of them so it was essentially what I expected because they don't care what the original creators did.

[@marshalsunrise6582]

Here's the thing though even without knowing the games , the show was kinda good .And as long as they didn't butcher the sorce material or material its acceptable

[@istrumguitars]

@@sheldoncoffelt1891that’s true but these guys are showing how little they know about the series.

[@danielc7131]

Regardless of your claims about ‘dudes on the panel barely remembering the games’ doesn’t change the fact that this show is horribly written.

[@Railerik]

It's possible to enjoy the show without having played the games and analyze it on its own this way. Having played the games doesn't give you authority over whether or not the show is good. You can compare the story to the games, and maybe not like the changes they made to it, but the show is a different medium.

[@sirteabag8652]

"I played Fallout Las Vegas to death"...clearly.

[@gringles]

Ah yes, Fallout Las Vegas! I too remember playing The Deliverer and going to speak with Monsieur Home!

[@max7971]

Ain’t that a punt in the noggin!

[@RecluseBootsy]

Powering through all dialogue like it was a speedrun. Lol

[@thekey1175]

went to vegas and kept referring it to new vegas instead of las vegas

[@okagron]

Dude, this comment chain killed me.

[@patriot639]

"Who calls them communist" The writers. The writers are calling them communist, and then the communist claims they are not communist, they're just the anti-capitalist.

[@LN997-i8x]

I feel like a lot of people are unfamiliar with McCarthyism and what it entailed. Branding people you didn't like as Communist or Socialist happened an awful lot in the 50's. Now, that isn't to say the show did a good job communicating this, mind you.

[@patriot639]

@@LN997-i8x McCarthyism is underrated. Would could have used a lot more of it. Would have saved the country trillions of dollars and a lot of culture.

[@badlaamaurukehu]

​@@patriot639Turned out he was right about more than Hollywood would care to admit. Most of the types of people who whined about the blacklists for decades are doing the very same today.

[@thecaptainfalcon3316]

​@badlaamaurukehu exactly came here to say this, I recommend Razorfist's excellent video where he explains away the revisionist history applied to McCarthism

[@drownthepoor]

@@LN997-i8x Even in a Christian private school I was taught that McCarthyism was a "witch hunt", but as an adult living in the USA and looking into it with critical eyes; I think McCarthy was absolutely correct. Bezmenov basically proves this in the 80's with his warnings that the KGB's primary activities were 'long-game' ideology-based investments. It would appear that they set the plans in motion having fully believed that communism and the USSR would be there to reap the rewards. Or maybe even the CCP, but Russia/China have never been particularly closely allied.

[@cgederz6747]

Have to say it’s so nice that Mauler and drinker are going at it with different views on something. Makes for a refreshing change!

[@DerpBane]

Mauler had bad, bias takes though fr

[@andresbogado7133]

"Eat shit. Billions of flies can't be wrong."

[@AndrewQuigley-gs2hi]

Lmao y'all neckbeard morons compare humans to flies. Classic and it's always the saddest dudes who make these comparisons.

[@firestarter000001]

Thats a silly analogy. Becasue if you were a fly, yes, those blilions wouldnt be wrong, shit would be good for you. And since you are a human, if a large number of humans like something, good chances are there is something to it.

[@AndrewQuigley-gs2hi]

@@andrewcorrigan2329 Lmao that's a horrible take. "It feels good" and "it's fun" is a great reason for people to do stuff. Also that's 100% your opinion. Many people think this is a breath of fresh air due to the high stakes. You disagree and that's fine. Doens't mean everybody that disagrees with you can be compared to a fly. It's a total silly analogy, whenever somebody also starts comparing humans who disagree with them to "cattle" or "fly's" I can just tell y'all are seething.

[@dabadshoes8658]

Didn't voxis productions say that? Honestly, I think that some people just lack the maturity to say "yeah the show was shit, but I still enjoyed it" did I enjoy. I gotta be honest with you, I turned my brain off and Mauler's video did convince me that the series was terrible. I only hope that the show runners can take on board the criticism.

[@AndrewQuigley-gs2hi]

@@dabadshoes8658 It Sounds like all the people who, 4 weeks after release, are still crying about a problem that really never exists because most Fallout fans like the show.

[@JadeRunner]

27:30 Gary thinks Fallout 76 is the 75th sequel to Fallout. 🤣👏

[@AP-lh1bq]

Omg I didn’t put those two things together until seeing your comment. I know he’s not a gamer like the rest of the panel, but that’s still really funny.

[@BigCowProductions]

He's a good-looking guy, but definitely *is* in his 50s, and spent a lot of time outside of culture with his past. So yeah there are blindspots on some stuff lol. He's wrong in this debate overall, but he's still great.

[@TRONvix]

lol.. ty... I quit watch cuz I dont like ppl saying shit about what they DONT know and Its a waste of time. And you prove it 🤣😂

[@thecaptainfalcon3316]

​@@TRONvixGary is definitely one of the biggest shit talkers lol

[@hand8007]

Gary has a son that talk to him about this. He was most likely joking, but he can still talk about the show he watched and that’s all he did.

[@Tinandel]

You're telling me that a satellite just HAPPENS to fall like that? NO! He orchestrated it! TODD!

[@justlivin2499]

And he gets to be the head of a gaming studio? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!

[@Jesus-yp9xx]

but not our Todd, couldn't be precious Todd

[@belvedue7892]

He Starfielded through a sun roof!

[@External2737]

Yea, Vault 33 didn't live up to breeding vault characters. Have diversity, but gorgeous diversity.

[@justlivin2499]

@@External2737 bro, u just killed the chuck mcgill thread. Boo this man!!!

[@harding10B]

For a breeding vault there seems to be a remarkable lack of children of all ages.

[@jacobcaster]

The control vaults were made to accommodate a population of 1,000 people. A breeding vault should would be designed for several times that, and would have only the healthies members of society.

[@kalikagamers]

​@therotten6152 if you watched the show you would know why it's a spoiler plot point

[@lucascoval828]

@therotten6152 Pity casting.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

Bruh, they're too young for that

[@tdof7217]

It's a management vault, they only need people to make food for the managers to carry on

[@Taco_God]

How am I 27 mins in, and no one has mentioned that when they turn on the cold fusion, all the lights turn on? 200 years into the future, after a nuclear war, the entire electrical infrastructure is intact, and all the light bulbs still work and all the switches are in the on position.

[@criticalcandor]

? There was a city there before called shady sands, only 20 years before. It was the original capital of the NCR, this is all in the show not the games, so it sounds like you missed something bub. Also not all the lights come on, just some of them. ALSO ALSO she has been there for at least months if not years with the mission to turn the power back on, is it not feasible that her and her men repaired some of the lights/electrical lines?

[@davidurban7346]

I’m sorry you sweat when you sleep. Get a better diet and stop being a piece of shit.

[@russianoverkill3715]

​@@criticalcandorShady Sands didn't had skycrape- oh why do I waste time debating it.

[@CantusTropus]

The biggest headscratcher for me is Knight Titus' entire existence. He's an incompetent, impulsive coward who somehow occupies a slot that's tougher than being in the US Marines. He panics and gets merced by a mutant bear even though he's supposedly a combat veteran wearing armour that's shown to be able to punch and kick with the force of a cannonball. I get we're supposed to hate him, but it makes the Brotherhood look like huge morons for allowing him to get to such a high position.

[@notoriouslystupid2770]

Dude maxed out luck

[@liamjm9278]

The Grandmaster said the Brotherhood was losing its way and that he plans to rebuild it.

[@Erduk]

Maybe Bethesda is being accidentally based. The US military has promoted a ton of people beyond their worth lately.

[@jarrid45678]

Because he's a white guy

[@Turd_Rocket]

The Brorherhood of Steel should no longer exist in the West Coast, not like this. But the reason they wrote him that way is because they hate masculinity, the military, the very concept of knighthood and warrior culture, as well as hating cis white men.

[@Kingswift5607]

How is Muldover alive, it's been 200 years..... Did she freeze her self or what?

[@0rurin]

If she did, and she was the same age as in the flashback, it still doesn't explain her age not progressing like Hank's. She was the same age 200 years ago, she was the same age while in power at Shady Sands, and she's the same age now. Meanwhile Hank went from a baby to old man, after being thawed out.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

We see Cryo Suites available at the TOP casino in New Vegas so I'm guessing the implication is that Cryo freezing is readily available in the show.

[@twentysecondnomad8177]

multiple vaults have cryo tech? she was a genius scientist business owner pre war? ie the type that might get into one????

[@johnmathews2030]

​@@0rurin She's definitely older and not all people age the same.

[@zzodysseuszz]

@@johnmathews2030all people age the same, genetics won’t change how cells work.

[@JandocTV]

Walton didn’t spy on his wife over the dog, even though dogs are part of the family and his wife doesn’t care at all. It was the first thing to start making him question what Vault Tec was doing. Decisions being made and his wife acting funny keeping secrets. It doesn’t help he hates Bud and his wife has zero problem with the guy.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

yeah it was almost like someone told him vault tec wanted to end the world, then he listened in and uh....

[@ThirtytwoJ]

Never married huh?

[@andrewmoluf4299]

@@ThirtytwoJ It makes sense though. He trusts his wife but not Vault Tec.

[@BigCowProductions]

You're exactly right Jandoc. The show spoke up to us, showing the passing of time in each flashback, each time chipping away at his original holy view of the righteousness and altruism of vault-tec. He started off loving them, loving his wife. He learned that vault-tec was evil, and started seeing his wife WAS vault-tec. Her lying to him about Roosevelt, his Good Boy, showed the cracks form that she was not the woman he married.

[@jacobsampsonis7782]

Also it wasn't so much the decision about dogs not being allowed (he can probably understand the reasoning) but what bothered him was that there would be all these rules being decided by clandestine people with no way to talk about it when he risked his life and watched his friends die to defend their freedoms and way of life. All to have things decided for him behind closed doors

[@HeadbutKneecap]

I feel like this show is well received because the quality of television these days has gone down a lot. If this came out as far as ten years ago when we were getting g quality tv it would be panned.

[@hydra66]

Actual, unedited critique? Allowing people to have differences of opinion? Other youtubers take note

[@travismcnasty51]

I liked Madness from Normal Boots. They were all there in person, though. So that panel debate about the best N64 game or best 90's cartoon felt a bit more personal.

[@SoullessAIMusic]

Lots of them do you just don't watch.

[@fishjones4618]

You can disagree without disagreeable.

[@ClayDunks]

Too bad everyone in the debate is equally dumb

[@pandawarriah]

A fun detail about the fridge the brotherhood kid hides in is that there's a hole in the backside of it. so he would have not only been blasted but also radiated like mad.

[@averageuser2027]

That detail should have been picked up on considering how many times they reuse that scene.

[@RipzCritical]

Honestly, I almost felt like this was like a jab at the Indiana Jones nuke scene lmfao

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@RipzCritical how is repeating the same mistake a jab? 😂

[@gloom832]

Another fun detail is when you receive a dose of Grey's you become *irradiated*... not radiated

[@pandawarriah]

@@gloom832 i honestly wrote irradiated at first but wasnt sure so just went with it. Thanls

[@raydobratz6349]

There was a claim for 33 water chip failing too. Never to be discussed again

[@johnratfink7343]

Why are you such a nitpicker! Silence!

[@glyyytch]

That was likely an easter egg for the first Fallout game. The inciting incident for the entire game (or series, if you'd like) is that Vault 13's water chip breaks down and you have go to out into the wasteland to procure a new one.

[@yungpep]

Think you need to rewatch it, the speech about relocation and water usage from vault 32 covers for that

[@AP-lh1bq]

I get that it was an Easter egg for the fans, but it has the potential to be a major plot point and it’s never mentioned again so kinda weird to me

[@glyyytch]

@@AP-lh1bq does it have the potential for a major plot point? Sure. However, just because the potential is there doesn't need to be explored if its an easter egg, especially given the (over) abundance of such easter eggs in the games.

[@bad-people6510]

You don't know the geography? Here's a fun fact about the geography. Seeing as Lucy started out at the Santa Monica Peer and reaches as far as Shady Sands means she walked approximately THREE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES! And that's as the crow flies, one way, by the way.

[@christopherkelley1664]

Yes. Also: pier.

[@samuelmendoza5986]

Didn't they rearrange the locations? Bear in mind I'm too lazy to look it up beyond what I remember but didn't they put Shady sands inside the boneyard so the entire show is inside Los Angeles?

[@bad-people6510]

@@samuelmendoza5986 They also said it was in canon.

[@jodanger37]

Dooku voice “I’ve been looking forward to this” And a clip that’s 4 times the length of a normal one. They really wanted all the long in this one

[@Gakusangi]

It needed to be talked about. People needed to hear this discussion.

[@jodanger37]

@@Gakusangi oh absolutely

[@1eyeddevil929]

It is 4 times the length of a normal one. With 16 times the detail

[@DUKEzors]

​@@1eyeddevil929We're gonna need ...

[@1eyeddevil929]

@@DUKEzors better rendering textures

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

The Buddy brain robot didn't say that the vault dwellers of 31 and 33 had Superior genetics, he said they were chosen because their genetics would best combine with his buddies

[@Space_Man909]

They're arguing about things that they themselves don't completely understand. Lol

[@slothgraveyard3511]

The amount of people who so clearly do not understand or don't care and then argue about all this is what makes it all so frustrating. People seem like they can't just say they like it cause they don't care about the lore and "omggg cool armor and scary ghoul omgg" they have to try and find ways to make it make sense, the problem is, people don't realize who they're dealing with, with Todd Howard, there is no continuity, the game is rigged from the start...

[@ToothpasteJuice]

Right, he wanted the leadership bloodlines from 31 to breed with the kindness and obedience bloodlines from 32/33

[@popofabulous]

I thought they said the genetics were chose to make the best managers for when Vault Tec rebuilds everything? Or that they were the best genes from the Vault Tec managers. Something to that effect.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

@@popofabulous he said they were chosen to be compatible with his junior executives

[@louiscachet7681]

Lance played "Fall out las vegas"

[@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE]

Yeah, get the name wrong every time. And trust me, I will call it that again

[@Zac_Frost]

@@THEOUTCASTSCREATIVE Happens to us all lol. 👍

[@max7971]

@@Zac_Frost no it doesn’t. No fan of Star Wars ever called them “space battles” by accident, especially when he gets it wrong “every time”

[@Zac_Frost]

@max7971 Well, that'd be replacing the entire title. Rather than just slipping on one word. And I've heard people refer to it as "Space Wars" by accident.

[@SpankMyFace]

@@Zac_Frost Did you not hear Lance's explanation for how much he played Fallout "Las Vegas". He played Fallout "Las Vegas" from the time he woke up early in the morning, til two in the morning several days a week (so he says). I have *NEVER-EVER* heard a Star Wars fan of that caliber call it "Space Wars" on accident. *EVER*

[@sethedward]

I liked it, perfect no. But a great time that kept me engaged, and for me, I felt like they respected the source material and told a good story.

[@adamdravian]

This was my favorite Drinker's Chasers clip because it was refreshing to hear a friendly debate instead of an echo chamber

[@NoahLookman9191]

Not all echo chambers are bad

[@Zac_Frost]

​@@NoahLookman9191True, but healthy debate and disagreement will always be better.

[@sardoniclysane]

@@Zac_Frostthe best way to combat “bad speech” is with “more speech”

[@NoahLookman9191]

@@Zac_Frostcan you imagine those clowns Organised Chaos and Pillar of Garbage on Open Bar having a disagreement with Drinker Who would want to watch that nightmare?

[@TheDetectiveEngineer]

​@@NoahLookman9191 On the topic of Pillar of Garbage,have you seen his latest video on Fallout? It is just about everything else than the show. To me those videos reek of smug little film intellectuals who think they understand art better than anyone else.

[@MegaSpideyman]

I never expected such a passionate debate between Drinker, MaulEr and co on Fallout, with the latter against and the former for.

[@pegeta]

Maul got way too much free time

[@yourewrongabouteverything]

​@@pegetadrinker has more

[@MegaSpideyman]

​@@pegetaHow so?

[@Dime_time333]

Hes an author. Mauler is just an internet douche ​@yourewrongabouteverything

[@divolg7981]

@@MegaSpideyman It's nothing more than a veiled ad hominem.

[@pegeta]

I like how the cousin got roped into raising and being in a relationship with a pregnant woman.

[@accesschilly]

"we r all cowards. thts why we live in a vauly"

[@dafuqgusdafrey60]

you gotta keep the soyboy cucked stereotype in this show after all

[@Shockguey]

Youve overdosed on redpills. They're not cousins, she's from a different vault. She's also a widow. There's nothing wrong with this.

[@notusingmyname4791]

such a simp.

[@PaulKMF1]

She's from 31 so she's a manipulater

[@mathewkolakwsk]

The point of the three main characters in the show is how different people play or approach the video game. Look and think about how each of them interacts with the apocalyptic world of Fallout. This was well designed and obviously planned out by the show-runners. Making a show with this kind of world building is hard enough as it is, but beyond that the show-runners were able to pull in interesting character moments and interesting side quests. The experience of playing the game is well executed here in the show… and yes there are stakes because we don’t know exactly how the story will play out. It’s a good show because as we follow our main characters, we experience the crazy apocalyptic world from these different player types/perspectives. Nitpick all you want - it’s a good ride crafted with care.

[@MannyNamiro]

Lance has been more aggravating than the Drinker on that Open Bar. "I played New Vegas, I'm pretty sure the airship first appeared in that game." "My favourite adult cartoon is Big Mouth. It's cleverly written." Edit: I've relistened to the stream. Lance does not say it's cleverly written, but he does say "the writing is really good and it's definitely not woke." Time stamp: kzbin.info3C34mgQ8CAc?si=oQbCyM-EbT_NXPHj&t=9201 Timestamp for the airship: kzbin.info3C34mgQ8CAc?si=FXxH3LLGs_-Jgioq&t=4707

[@Pwj579]

Big Mouth is trash - no talent a$$ 🤡

[@Gakusangi]

I don't even know who Lance is and I value his opinion on a game he clearly doesn't remember much of even a little bit.

[@Silverghost992]

He comes off as really passive aggressive.

[@r.e.z9428]

Wait, did he really say that BigMouth comment straightfaced?

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

He could be remembering the bomber we get for the boomers…even then that’s a egregious mistake.

[@unusualaussie9606]

Fun fact. Lucy starts at Santa Monica pier in LA and finishes at Griffith Observatory in LA in the final episode. You know what's funny? It's 25km away and that is a 5 hour walk.

[@desertmammoth3159]

"Thou shalt get sidetracked by bull poop every time" :D

[@unusualaussie9606]

@@desertmammoth3159 Thou shalt see the problem with this 2 weeks story line with Lee was 5 hours away.

[@desertmammoth3159]

​@@unusualaussie9606 Well I mean, it sometimes takes me like two hours to come back from dropping the kids off at school if I have to keep stopping to do things... but yeah lol it does sound a bit dumb, oh well, I guess there's worse things the show could have done. Did you know that they got the time wrong for when the bombs fell? Unforgivable I say.

[@e13kid]

Americans aren’t known for their walking abilities.

[@BigCowProductions]

​@@desertmammoth3159it could have been green in October. Probably not. But maybe. Lol

[@cheddulous]

I can’t believe I don’t agree at all with Drinker here. I am 100% team MauLer/Reaper. People have eaten so much crap from Hollywood in recent years that they’re satisfied with a peanut butter flavored turd.

[@Blank-jt3nj]

58 minutes!? 🥴 this bouta be one hell of a debate

[@dangerouslydazzling]

Pointless debate. Lasted 2 minutes

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Honestly this was some of the pettiest squabbling I’ve ever seen. Some criticism/differing options I could understand, but after a bit it just devolved into finding every excuse to hate something about the show. I have to wonder if some of these guys, particularly Mauler, actually have a show they enjoy, and if so how would they react if someone came along nitpicking at every possible thing.

[@Cablev94]

@@Lawrence_Talbot Its funny, becasue there are events in real life that if you turned into a show exactly second for second as it really happened in real life. theyd find details that didnt' "make sense" or to complain about.

[@GVigil2550]

@@Lawrence_Talbotif you watched Mauler for any amount of time, you’d know he’s addressed the fact that people wonder what he actually does enjoy. He has a bunch of things he actually likes. Also it wasn’t just nitpicking. They addressed major plot holes and contrivances. If you enjoyed the show then more power to you. Don’t be salty that others didn’t like it as much as you.

[@spacecowboy1438]

​@@Lawrence_Talbotit was the best b-movie grade series in a while. It needs criticism to improve but yeah some of it was nitpicky.

[@mercaius]

While listening to another video people go off about this show, I was reminded about how producers used to be very explicit about shows not being canon to the primary setting, in order to allow the writers to have their excesses without damaging the core worldbuilding. I was very surprised to hear Bethesda had done the exact opposite.

[@slicedtopieces]

Bethesda used to know that. It's partly why after acquiring Fallout they made their games on the east coast... to create that distance from the original games.

[@Syaniiti]

But then people kept saying the west coast has better games and Todd decided that he hasn't looked for a family member in a while, luckily he now has 2 dads and a kid, that's got to mean at some point we can do other things than look for family members right?

[@doomraven0]

If you have followed Bethesda in general and leftist cult leader Todd Howard specifically in the last decade, it shouldn't be surprising at all.

[@drdeadred851]

Probably so it would have more of an effect of bringing people into playing the games, which looking at player counts it has. If it was total seperate from the games it would obviously still have an effect, but likewise if people feel like its directly connected to them their going to be more invested in either hating the show or not. Either way people get more of a reason to replay the games. All of the games have surged up in player count right after the show, they even put most of them on sale after the show dropped and it clearly worked.

[@65firered]

It's hard enough trying to BS a way to make the Bethesda games canon to themselves this show completely wrecks that idea.

[@rmhartman]

I don't remember everybody "freaking out" when her water broke. There was surprise, but surprise is pretty normal.

[@dimreturns1190]

Yeah there were 2 people "freaking out" and one was a guy who thought he was about to hook up and one was the first time pregnant mother who it happened to. You can educate all day long but I'm sure it's still a surprise. Nobody was running around confused like it never happened before. I don't think it typically gushes like that but that's more a comic thing and not something that makes the whole show bad. Really grasping for criticism on this one.

[@salmonbear5433]

Shhhh. Some folk I've never been around their girl when their water broke

[@themoonishollowfr]

@@salmonbear5433 I haven't been around a woman when her water broke and I understand the mechanics...

[@angelsackson]

@@themoonishollowfryou know nothing until you see that balloon pop at 9am in the morning… Pipe down.

[@lolcats987654321]

The grifting is real.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

07:49 - No, Ghouls are not undead. They are mutated humans who are more resilient than normal people, and can survive radiation, plus live really long, but they are not undead, they eat and breathe the same as we, and they are not bulletproof. Supermutants, yes, they can shrug off small arms fire, but not Ghouls.

[@ew6074]

Maximus is basically the same character as Finn from the last jedi.

[@desertmammoth3159]

He's not. His character is actually either really badly written or really interesting and I wont find out until season 2. He goes from being a disinterested grunt, to a holier than thou monk, to a total dude bro in power armour, to forest gump, to a street wise no-nonsense killer, to a holier than thou monk again. I honestly hope he's actually only one of these and the other personalities he adopts are just fronts for any given situation, rather than the writers seriously couldn't just make him consistent.

[@Ralathar44]

@@desertmammoth3159 It makes sense if you think about it. He wants to be basically a hero of justice. But then he was brainwashed by the brotherhood. But he's always been conflicted and never fully brainwashed. They've trained him, but only really for combat and recognizing artifacts because he's expendable. So he's dumb about alot of things, but when it comes to the narrow things he's been trained on he's highly competent. And his holier than thou side is just his original wish to have power and serve justice being perverted by their brotherhood. He's a complex character with multiple different failings and strengths coming into conflict and he acts inconsistently because he literally IS inconsistent. He hasn't chosen a path yet. Most of the show was him learning about the world and himself which is giving him the knowledge to choose that path. And I think part of that is having to accept that maybe he can't be what he wants to be and he'll prolly have to settle for something more realistically achievable instead.

[@jacobsampsonis7782]

​@@Ralathar44 key phrase being they'd actually have to think about it. They just wanna be mad about something

[@desertmammoth3159]

@@Ralathar44 I appreciate your honest response, but I think you're giving the writers too much credit. Whilst I accept there were events that could explain a switch in beliefs and world view, they were incredibly jarring. Like a committed Christian finding out there is no God and then being like OKAY F IT LET THE MURDER SPREES BEGIN :D Maybe that's a bit of a radical example but you get my gist. I'll have to give it a second watch, maybe I somehow missed the nuances the first time around. I just remember not really understanding what he was about, and him doing stuff that contradicted who was purporting to be a few minutes earlier. Like I say I'll give it another swing.

[@Spillow-C]

Not more like Force Awakens?

[@bocogaming]

Did they mention how Moldaver survived 200+ years?

[@rainbowfiv3381]

no, but she probably froze in some vault, because I don't think she's a less deformed ghoul...

[@Zenn3k]

Its closer to 180 years, but likely the same way they did in Vault 31. She had connections I would assume, she'd know what they were planning to do and found someone to get her a pod of her own probably.

[@rainbowfiv3381]

@@Zenn3k and if my understanding of the timeline is correct shady sands was destroyed at the end of new vegas, it's about 15 years before the show, and she was already at some level of influence in NCR, so she must be at least 15/30 years of experience in the wastelands, all this to die in the most... anticlimactic way I've seen from the show lol

[@TheImapotato]

They used the same b.s. of Fallout 4, cyrotubes in Vault 31, The vault in FO4 was supposed to be THE test of that technology.

[@cameraman502]

It's the only real plot thread they didn't do anything with and is my biggest mark against it

[@princeniccolo8299]

I just wish Bethesda would stop calling everything they have their hands on “canon” when they clearly can’t double check their own lore. This isn’t Elder Scrolls, there’s no dragon breaks.

[@skyguyflyinghigh]

the "but that's what happens in the games" in regards to taking damage and the amount of plot armor is such a weird take, that is for gameplay reasons, not for story or lore reasons, i would not expect an elder scrolls series to show the protagonist putting one hand up saying "time out !" and eating 500 wheels of cheese just because that's what happens in the games, it's gameplay convenience so its easy to ignore, in a story trying to be serious however its just silly and hard to take seriously.

[@colindillingham2931]

Well said, my thoughts exactly

[@Birthday888]

Is the story trying to stay serious though? I feel like the show is quite comedic in various ways, much like the Fallout games. Like, the tone of Elder Scrolls is generally trying to be more serious, disregarding specific side quests and characters like Sheogorath. Whereas in Fallout, you can have a conversation with your own brain after it has been removed by your body by insane old-world scientists, who are also effectively just their brains inside robotic bodies. Like, there are moments the story does tell seriously, like the confrontation in the final episode. But during those moments, there also isn't anything ridiculous going on?

[@johnmathews2030]

This show is not attempting to be a Zack Snyder super cereal no humor show. It's clearly meant to have satirical comedy in it, such as when Snip Snip gives Lucy a new finger and offers her comfortable clothing even though he's planning to harvest her organs or when Lucy and Maximus are kissing and the heads they are holding are face-to-face like they're also kissing.

[@ShadyCrypt]

@@Birthday888 Well, there are different types of comedy. In the games all those brains in the jars are absurd, but consistent. And, in a way, even tragic. In the show characters are simply robbed of any growth just to replay the same "lol so stupid" jokes over and over again.

[@bluemutt9964]

​@@Birthday888 Fallout being comedic is a Bethesda change, 1 and 2 had funny moments but they weren't constant like in 4 or 76. It stood out when something made you laugh

[@Constellasian]

As much as I didn't enjoy this show, I respect the lead actress for not talking down on the fans and doing research on the FO lore. She seems likeable outside her role so far, unlike Zegler and Larson.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

she's a legit star

[@BrettCaton]

I dislike the show but haven't seen anything from her that I despise. She played the first act of FO4, which is way more than most actors would do for the MCU - the actors are banned from even reading comics - but she's no Henry Caville. Still, I haven't seen many complaints at all about her personally and I expect she has a bright future.

[@davidwilson6577]

She's the voice of adult Jinx.

[@williampoole1742]

But even her character isn't a b****, she's pretty much a nice woman the whole time and doesn't insult people every chance she gets like almost every female protagonist in shows nowadays.

[@jin6000]

She’s awesome. I hated the show but she did a great job. She’s also great in Yellowjackets.

[@0That_Guy0]

It's like a light version of an "Unbridled" video, I love it! I think it would've been fun if Mauler actually did an "Unbridled Rage" for this show though. Edit: The madman did it, he made the video!

[@gringles]

That’s my favorite content of his, it’s a shame that we rarely get it these days.

[@themoonishollowfr]

Anything Mauler does on Fallout will be his most downvoted video.

[@gringles]

@@themoonishollowfr Could very well be.

[@BobSmith-kk4kp]

I would love to see an Unbridled for this dumpster fire.

[@65firered]

Please for the love of God.

[@gerythionargarys7848]

I don't believe Lance played New Vegas, at all. Maybe he meant 3? Ghouls aren't zombies.

[@His-Most-Catholic-Majesty]

He called it fallout las vegas.

[@Tzreoaor]

Feral ghouls are zombies by definition

[@gerythionargarys7848]

@@Tzreoaor Wrong, but okay.

[@TechnoMinarchist]

​@@TzreoaorThey're not undead

[@christopherkelley1664]

They go hollow, essentially, and then I'd say they're at least functionally zombies.

[@sadeknight9112]

It’s refreshing to hear Mauler use the full force of argumentation that he’s capable of after he was so clearly pulling his punches with SWTheory.

[@xeroeddie]

Where can I find that discussion? On SWTs channel?

[@ghoulsome9483]

​@@xeroeddieon SWT's channel and also on Mooler On Mooler, the thumbnail is him dressed as a Frenchman with wine and SWT next to him, so, should be easy to spot They also later on ran a short podcast together, which could be what OP is specifically referring to, in that podcast mauler was REALLY holding himself back from disagreeing with him much

[@sadeknight9112]

@carruthers100 I’m sure many points come across this way on a livestream when everything’s off the cuff but surely you wouldn’t say that about MauLer’s Fallout video that came out a few days ago?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@sadeknight9112 I tried watching the video live but when Mauler could resist insulting the creators over the Yao Guai sneaking up on it's prey of all things, I turned his video off. He's clearly driven by emotion, let him have his little tantrum. He's stated in previous EFAPs he barely cares about the games, mostly goofed around in Fallout 3 and it's Mothership Zeta DLC.

[@johnmathews2030]

​@carruthers100 Truth. MauLer's rant was exactly that and a lot of his misconceptions would be cleared if he watched the show again and actually watched it instead of acting like a triggered leftist.

[@Thagomizer]

44:30 To answer your question, the Brotherhood occupied a single monastic bunker in Fallout 1, though you could convince them to send a few paladins with you in the process of assaulting the Mariposa Military Base. In Fallout 2, which takes place 80 years later, there are a whoping total of three Brotherhood NPCs in the entire game, and only one of them is actually important. That game makes the point that the Brotherhood's isolationism hasn't helped them at all, and the entire world has more or leas eclipsed them. They are quietly keeping tabs on the Enclave, whom they know little about, and will happily give you access to one of their bunkers in exchange for you stealing vertibird blueprints from an Enclave base for them. Between the time of Fallout 2 and Fallout New Vegas, the Brotherhood has clashed with the NCR in the wake of the Enclave's defeat, since the Brotherhood is hellbent on keeping the advanced tech of Navarro out of anyone's hands. By the time New Vegas begins, they've been beaten back by the NCR and are hiding out in one bunker. Overall, the arc for the Brotherhood of Steel that the Black Isle / Obsidian games is one of an organization whos dogmatic ideological purity leads to their failure to truly help the outside world, and often makes them impede the flow progress. Ultimately, they're in the process of withering away into nothing, and no one is particularly sad to see them leave. Of course, you can make peace between them and the NCR, and with an NCR victory this is the best outcome you can get for them.

[@Zenn3k]

At some point a large amount of them must have moved East, this was probably the majority of the members from FO1, explaining why so few remain in FO2. They travelled across the country, picked up more tech along the way and changed their ideology, well, most of them, the Outkasts didn't wanna change. They settled in DC. This faction grew in power and eventually reconnected with West and now clearly span the continent by the time of the show, since that ship flew from Boston to LA, along with the Vertibirds.

[@TheImapotato]

But Bethesda LOVES Power Armor because their simple fans buy the MERCH!

[@dioniscaraus6124]

@@Zenn3k Writing for the writers

[@Zenn3k]

@@dioniscaraus6124 Watching the show and not ignoring the obvious things its showing me.

[@whatisreddin7367]

It was worth noting that Lost Hills was still active and the Brotherhood NCR war wasn't officialy over tho, and the Brotherhood destroying the NCR gold reserve caused huge damage to their economy on top of the war in the mojave and The war in Baja. If they joined up with The East Coast brotherhood and the NCR lost to House / Yes Man / Caesar then I could have seen the Brotherhood winning a war against the NCR. However, the show of course completely ignores any of this and boom vault tec drops nuke on Shady Sands even tho Shady Sands isnt in L.A. and theres more than 1 city in the NCR....

[@kyosokutai]

"War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones." NOW LETS OBSESS OVER THE SPECIFICS OF HOW AND WHY TO SET UP THE VILLAIN. :V

[@max7971]

Agree. They took the equivalent of a title crawl of SW ep4 and decided to throw it away, because surely they can tell a better story.

[@Nomisdoowtsae]

Very mixed feelings after finishing season 1. It looks better than I expected. Just so many dumb mistakes. The Ghoul wreaks havoc on the BoS by turning the lights out when EVERY power armour suit has a headlamp. Also Moldaver: "Barricade the doors" when there's a giant hole in the wall behind her and power armour suits can fly like discount Iron Man. EDIT The Brotherhood airships first appeared in Fallout Tactics so between FO2 and FO3.

[@johnratfink7343]

The finale was the worst. So much exposition.

[@jock4551]

that "barricade the doors" had me laughing out loud. Shit was hilariously stupid.

[@witchking2063]

Good to see someone remembers Fallout Tactics. Really fun game. Also totally agree with it being wired that no lights come on on the power armor. Also why do they not shoot the ghoul on sight. Isn't that the reason that Thaddeus ran away?

[@jock4551]

@@witchking2063 Fallout Tactics is still surprisingly good compared to the backlash it got

[@witchking2063]

@@jock4551 You're totally right. I beat it the third or so time not long ago. It's a unique fallout experience that goes no more off track than the others. Also got a great intro sequence.

[@keyseronthewire2575]

I actually enjoyed the show... I wasn't expecting much from it at all so I think by lowering my standards for it going in really helped because everything from Walton Goggins' performance and his character was enough to praise the show alone... Not to mention that a solid female character actually made her way into this story which was nice... Maximus is the flawed character, but still had some moments where I wanted to root for him. The world and characters of Fallout games have always been wacky and weird so I don't think it's entirely fair to critique the series in the same way you would another because it's a very genre meshed IP with multiple tones being meshed together as well... I honestly just had fun with it... Simple as that. The emotional beats with the Ghoul and his backstory were the most emotionally compelling thing to me so I got everything I needed out of this series. Actually looking forward to a second season!

[@toddtaylor6506]

The use of that Maximus kid scene ...holy balls. I get they reuse shots because production is expensive, but couldn't they also save money by not adding that in to multiple episodes? We really only needed to see that once and it just got annoying because it was the same scene reused, it was never altered to add to the moment.

[@loveoffilm4327]

I liked the show but the editing was atrocious

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

I have to agree by the third time I saw that clip I was like “dude we know” anime doesn’t reuse shit that much lol

[@Ralathar44]

@cjgeterix2120 Aye, this is such a minor thing to get bothered by.

[@asmoronic9302]

I didn’t mind the reuse of the scene until the 3/4th time. I really was hoping they’d show the brotherhood soldier do something that shows how they aren’t always morally good, to show how Maximus idolized them but ignored their true depiction, but it is what it is

[@ethansnyder3401]

@@Ralathar44 Yeah, how dare people criticize minor details. Just shut up and consumer

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

Also, the Vaults were basically right underneath the Cathedral, meaning the Master would absolutely have occupied them during the events of Fallout 1.

[@informalgeek1196]

The vaults are on the opposite end of the city from the cathedral and the master didn’t have special knowledge of vault locations, literally takes him years to find vault 13 even with the water trade to the vault

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

@@informalgeek1196 The key thing is that he did find several Vaults. And would have found that one. Especially with how out in the open it was.

[@jmlaw8888]

​@@informalgeek1196It literally takes him WEEKS not years. If you give the Vaults location away it reduced the timer to roughly 12 weeks or so. Dont treat the patch as canon. The 13 years was to remove the timer function to stop people whining. Not for narrative reasons. The master was gearing up to tear california apart as a beginning to his Unity plan. It cant be retroactively downplayed over a gameplay patch.

[@russianoverkill3715]

​​@@informalgeek1196Master literally raided Vault 17.

[@ashesmoria5902]

Mauler for the win 🏆

[@kidkyryte]

I have to wonder if people who say "oh it's just like in the game" are just really fucking bad at the game. In the game, you as a player have control over what your pc has for mitigating damage, healing, dealing damage. Of course in the game your character can heal with a stimpak, it was looted from a vault or a bunker or a cave that you chose to seek out. The characters in the show just walk around without bothering to acquire supplies or explore the wasteland for resources until something just happens to damage them, and then they limp around for a bit until something else just happens to heal them.

[@JM-hj3sm]

I didn't have an issue with Thaddeus monolog. He is absolutely a simple guy and is so intentionally. Off the top of my head, I think about how he locks up Dogmeat and is concerned about it being able to breath, but not concerned on wether or not it'll starve. The conversation with the disc jockey also supports this claim, as he tries to sound like he knows what he's talking about when he absolutely doesn't. He's also in disbelief at Maximus helping him when he already knows that Maximus just wants the head. Sure, it could have been written more eloquently, but it sounds like something a guy like him would say.

[@peter_schomus]

Damn. Muller made some great points. I really enjoyed the show but I have tons of gripes with the plot, humor, and fight scenes I suppose. I just wish they taked a more serious feel, let the situations be the humor instead making characters be the butt of the joke.

[@BusesAreFatCars]

I'm fine with people enjoying the show. Though I wonder what those people will have to say about it in 3 to 5 years. I expect they will no longer be full of praise for season 1 of this show. Many are caught up in the hype and the freshness. Some who dislike the show are indeed just haters. Though many who don't are simply making observations about it that others will come to realise in time.

[@slicedtopieces]

@@BusesAreFatCarsPeople will have only faint memories of yet another poor video game adaptation.

[@alexios6693]

Bro over exaggerated so much shit. The show definitely had some flaws but my god he's acting like it was She Hulk levels of bad. Guy doesn't even know the plot

[@michaelcopple1736]

I have to appreciate Purnell's character, Lucy, was not one of those ultra girl-boss-immortals. She did not come off as someone invulnerable or tougher than all the men in the storyline. I was mostly pleased by this release.

[@billjacobs521]

Yet she's incredibly capable and barely affected by the horrific things that happen to her. She should have been chewed up immediately, she should be a wreck, she should have been protected and guided by a non-idiot Maximus to gradually develop even a basic level of competency. She's somehow very smart and very dumb at the same time.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

D"id not come off as someone invulnerable or tougher than all the men in the storyline" let's look at the list 1- Perfect shot 2- Perfect at fighting 3- Botanist 4- Mechanic 5- Better and more intelligent then ALL men and women's around even the leaders of the vaults, and ALL dwellers outside exept the ghoul, and that was only lack of exp from the outside. 100% a Marie Sue, they simply got better at hiding it just a little.

[@kyosokutai]

Does not act like she's lived in a vault her entire life, maybe a bit flat and annoying, rather than outright obnoxious "I am always right, even when I am extremely wrong" they're trying to pass off as "girl boss" these days... Ripley pulled it off and she wasn't even trying.

[@binitbey]

​@@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2almost got killed by the raider twice but was saved due to a distraction and second time due to her dad coming to rescue. Almost killed by the ghoul had maximus not intervened. Captured by the ghoul. Would've been killed by the fiends due to her naivety had maximus not saved her. Would've been executed in normal circumstances but luckily the people of vault 4 are too nice. Sorry bud she doesn't seem to be a mary sue.

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

@@binitbey If she was not a marry sue, she would have been killed. The fact she survived alone, is proof enough.

[@hypelock1474]

I know there's a lot to be desired and maybe even some plotholes but I really did enjoy this show. I am very excited for season 2

[@libertyprime2013]

Same. I feel like a lot of the people who were mad just are angry at Bethesda and wanted the show to fail. Is it perfect? No, but it’s the first time in a long time that I actually liked an adaptation. That I actually had fun with a show and a lot of the people who were crying about it had to keep changing goal posts starting with the “why are there mutants in a vault???”

[@sicor94]

To explain it easily, they just pulled a "the force awakens" on fallout and youre cheering because theres stormtroopers and X-wings.

[@firestarter000001]

Hard objection. Force Awakens was a bad, derivative story. Fallout is a good story. I didnt play the games, but i liked the show.

[@sicor94]

@@firestarter000001 this story IS derivative, Jesus, atleast inform yourself before trying to argue.

[@firestarter000001]

@@sicor94 OF what? Is derivative of what?

[@sicor94]

@@firestarter000001 Fallout 1, 3 and 4.

[@firestarter000001]

@@sicor94 Jesus are you insane? its an adaption of the games, so it should be in broad sense. But for the story alone, i very much doubt there was a a story in those games where a vault dweller with a ghoul and an aspiring knight were trying to obtain a head for their own reasons (save a dad, find family, become knight) and all the little adventures in between and that turned out to be the unlocking of cold fusion.

[@Drahazar1]

I thought they did the brotherhood a disservice

[@Syaniiti]

A "disservice" would be having them fly the united states flag (oh right, they did that too). What they did was an absolute destruction of the faction (at least NCR got to go with them).

[@sekonsanyt593]

the NCR got worse lmaooo

[@Drahazar1]

Yeah I agree NCR got reduced to raiders and a small compound

[@RedStar441]

They are not the brotherhood. They fly american flags and operate like a military. They are functionally the Enclave.

[@tdistel]

Eh, I'll have to watch the whole season, but from what I've seen, it's a pretty fun ride. I never took the games too seriously, so I thought the humor was fine. We'll see how the remaining episodes go.

[@emperorsean1]

Gary's such an expert gamer that he doesn't even know how to walk through a door.

[@afelias]

It's a speedrunning strategy. Gary knows what's up.

[@emperorsean1]

​​​@@afelias its called the x button. Thats how you open a door in the witcher. Of course Gary's a boomer he doesn't know how to use it.

[@lukeluke333lukeluke]

I really enjoyed this show. I took most things as satire and didn't over think things. There was some good points and I don't have much counterpoints. Max started out as a bad character but he did have some growth and started to like him but wish he had more time to flush his character out. Lucy was great. The Gaul (Goggins) was awesome. I thought it was better then Last of Us.

[@samjudge1240]

You know, this " because it's satire" or "internal bad main characters is good for later" seem to be a excuse for carefree thinking. As what I see in the fallout universe, was about a wasteland America, while people are trying to survive, and the player has the choice to do good or bad, so I don't see satire is a appropriate excuse. As for characters like Maximus, I would perfer he be capable and good, and not be "bad now but good later" arc, as it's not smart writing to say, only if that character is bad so the hero to bring light by positive influence.

[@Shockguey]

"I would prefer he be capable and good" Not everything has to be Disney.

[@samjudge1240]

@@Shockguey And not everyone needs to be a anti hero or bad.

[@codysellers4151]

@@samjudge1240 he rounds out the groups moral circle well. Lucy is good natured but ignorant about the world she has entered. Cooper is the stereotypical chaotic neutral cowboy who has a rough and even evil exterior, created due to life utterly fucking him over, but still has a bit of a soft side within him and can even still be swayed back to being at least somewhat good as the show illustrates; and Maximus is the stereotypical neutral evil BoS member, only he starts to realize that the BoS is not everything it’s cracked up to be (which canonically it isn’t, just reference any non-Fallout 3 chapter) and starts to have a crisis of identity, which still has yet to be resolved by the end of the first season. If Maximus was a good aligned character, I dare say the show’s overall quality would suffer as a result.

[@samjudge1240]

@@codysellers4151 That may be like the game, however it is now is not well excecated in the show. Lucy may be the closest to a heroin, perhaps Cooper and Maximus will follow along her road, however, I would say the writing makes them foolish, part from Cooper as he lest got merit, as for Lucy and Maximus are not well written, including their behaver seem psychopathically childish. so in a nutshell, I would not see any of them that good, nor even Smart, only Cooper I will see more value, as for Lucy and Maximus? ehh, not what I would care about, at best child like, at worst villain arc in the making.

[@Turd_Rocket]

​@@codysellers4151"Group"? What group?

[@dorugoramon0518]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a minor plot point in many of the games is the player character discovering that vault tech initially didnt expect a nuclear war to actually happen and were intending to scam people into the vaults with a false flag, so its ridiculous that they would somehow be hinted at being *behind* the Great War.

[@johnratfink7343]

Hinted at? They pretty much said as much, Todd had to come out and reassure the sheep that "no it was still the communists, promise!"

[@themoonishollowfr]

@@johnratfink7343 you're an example of someone just posting something online with no idea wtf you're talking about.

[@rockmycd1319]

Where was this in any of the games? What false flag? The idea of vault tec starting the nuclear exchange has existed since the treatment of a cancelled Fallout movie in the early 2000s.

[@btsninja5861]

I'm playing fallout 3 right now and in Megaton the Nuke has a vault tec logo on it ​@@rockmycd1319

[@basedggallin4556]

Vault Tec being one of the instigators of the war has been alluded to for a while although I do find their reasoning in the show to be kinda dumb

[@daywither927]

I have to ask, if in a bunch of scenes some of the background characters were trying to walk into a wall, would you argue it is being just like the games?

[@vincentthendean7713]

Unironically yes. See Cyberpunk Edgerunners and the goofy driving scene.

[@domri4203]

Then glitch to the other side of the room.

[@andrewmoluf4299]

No they would have fallen through the floor

[@Mitch19222]

That would be funny and If you'd nerd rage (get it) about it that would just make me laugh more

[@__-gf3zn]

The thing that bothers me is that you literally have doctors bags in new vegas (and maybe 4 if I remember correctly although I barely remember anything about 4). To even craft the doctor's bag you need a forceps, a medical brace, a scalpel, and surgical tubing. It's not just soying over the stimpaks ffs like this stupid show

[@kidkyryte]

When Muldaver says her "I'm not a communist" bit, I interpreted that as "There are no 'communists', there's good guys (us) (communists) and bad guys (vault-tech) who want to smear them" She doesn't verbally condemn communists practices in any way. It's like when people say "feminist is just another word for decent human being"

[@hizzousekakashi8836]

Lol, vertibirds were even in the fallout 2 intro! I wish these folks would go back and try the first two games, they're great!

[@anthonydaquino5425]

“You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

[@kyosokutai]

"How big was the brotherhood originally?" Less than a thousand?. Tops. The NCR has 700000 citizens. Maths sucks.

[@JCRascal14]

Im only 3 mins in, but lucy was written fuckin terribly. You dont get betrayed by the person you marry, half everyone you know killed, then proceed to trust everyone and be the same naive girl. She doesnt even change

[@tla_studios]

Mauler makes this point in his video about it - her journey would make so much more sense without that horrific trauma happening first.

[@EvaOwnsAll]

So.... I dont quite understand how the massacre happened in the beginning. If 31 is the mastermind and in control of 32 and 33, how did it still let the marriage mingling happen? Also, did 31 wake up all the managers, clean 32, then put them all back to sleep? Are there warehouses of the random stuff and welcome home gift baskets?

[@patrickkinnear8625]

It's because the show was just a collection of ideas the show runners had, with clumsy justifications to progress the story to get to those scenes. There was no deeper thought than a series of "cool" moments

[@Zenn3k]

Norm sorta explains this later when he's on the computer, Bud (the brain in a rumba) doesn't know who he is talking too, Moldaver could have told him anything she wanted over that computer screen. They have done these mingles before, they said "tri-annual", meaning every 3 years, they are not unusual. And cross marriages make sense as well, to keep the breeding pool clean. How 32 got cleaned up, unsure, one all nighter with a handful of people could do that no problem, I would assume Betty and the two other dudes likely did it, maybe thats why the one guy freaked out about moving? And yes, the vaults are WELL stocked.

[@raifthemad]

@@Zenn3k Tri-annual means 3 times a year. Guess the plothole comes from writers being as ignorant of the term as the audience.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

Did you not watch the show? Vault 31 is composed completely of people frozen in cryogenic chambers who are only thawed out to transfer to 31 and 32 to fill in for roles. The only one conscious is the Overseer who was once the skeevy Vault-Tec Bud and is now a “Brain On a Roomba” who’s been trapped for an unknown time period stuck behind a broom.

[@spartanx169x]

Lucy's Mother, left the vault with the kids early on, when they were toddlers. Mauldaver (Indian woman) apparently befriended her or found her After Lucys Dad Nuked the town she was in. Used her Pipboy to find the vault.

[@sudligh]

How easy and elegant to prove that Bethesda, Todd and co. are cheap and don’t know their lore themselves and they don’t care about it - the MacGuffin, which everyone has been chasing for 8 episodes in the form of a cold fusion generator, is in any Vault as part of the standard G.E.C.K. of which 2 were allocated for the Vault. Everything is on Wikia.

[@ephraimwinslow]

2 seasons, then it goes Mandalorian, and everyone enjoys their buyer's remorse.

[@jak0995]

probably facts. with the drout of public opinion with todays media amazon are probably going to jump on this for its lukewarm perception. and milk it into the dirt

[@joelreis5366]

Mandalorian went Mandalorian on season 1. This is 10 times dumber than Mandalorian. People are just settling for mediocre stuff. I accept that people think its fun, i just cant turn my brain off this much to stop noticing dumb things.

[@jxw457]

You're probably right.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

the comparison is more apt than you think. Because Mando was terrible from the start, and so is this show. :^]

[@izclop1375]

Except I don’t regret watching the first two seasons of Mandalorian. Just like I don’t regret watching season 1 of Westworld before it went to shit. I’m enjoying Fallout for the moment. If I stop enjoying it, I’ll stop watching it. People are way too uptight about this stuff.

[@brandondriver1377]

Love the spirited discussion between Mauler and Drinker. Both make very valid points: -The show nails the RetroFuture aesthetic and dark Comedy satire off the show -Loled Lucy and The Ghoul's characters -Story has WAY TOO many coincidencial run in or convenient moments (Lucy saving Maximum grom the bugs, Lucy bumping into the one guy everyone is looking for in her first 5 minutes topside, etc.) The next season will have to tighten up its writing in that area.

[@notusingmyname4791]

kind of like how in the game you will always run into "traveling" npc's that give the same mission at the same point in the game regardless of where you are.

[@chrisbj5251]

Let's hope no.

[@Turd_Rocket]

The show is not a satire. That argument holds no weight. The games aren't satire either.

[@gambinobah8864]

@@Turd_Rocketbrother it’s been satire since the first fallout

[@iexist.imnotjoking5700]

​@@gambinobah8864it's never been satire what are you talking about? Satire of what?

[@MrWhipple42]

I haven't played any of the games, I haven't watched the show, I had no idea what anyone in this conversation was talking about, and yet I thoroughly enjoyed this entire hour because you all are so much fun to listen to. 👍

[@PatstarDeluxe]

I played a little bit of New Vegas but I have no stakes either way and won't watch the show. This clip was incredibly entertaining!

[@verazollinger6862]

Same

[@jamesfoley6939]

Loved this back-and-forth!

[@mr.tajtas4259]

Back and forth? It was a one sided massacre.

[@codyvictorlucas972]

the argument drinker and lance try to make in favor of Fallout is SOOOO stupid omg. "Aren't you supposed to have plot armor and instantly heal dats what happens in da game!" Okay so also the main character should be able to respawn from their latest save, change outfits mid battle, and carry 300 pounds in their invisible pockets. You're literally arguing in favor of plot contrivances gentlemen.

[@davidcopperfield5345]

One of the funniest parts of this is how I saw a skit that makes the whole show pointless. The Pip-Boy Geiger counter is automatic in the games. It would go off immediately those doors opened. And they'd know instantly that those were raiders.

[@kingtiger3390]

It's a *really* minor stretch compared to others they pulled off though.

[@davidcopperfield5345]

@@kingtiger3390 I know.

[@johnratfink7343]

They would never open the doors to begin with because the overseers regularly communicate with each other and in the 2 year period where 32 was dead, they would of known that no one should be there.

[@bryanwirthlin4444]

​@@johnratfink7343 this is an underrated point actually. We're shown that there is intervault communication, So Hank should have been well aware that he hasn't received a message from vault 32 in over 2 years. At best, Hank is an incompetent overseer and at worst, he knew that the people on the other side of that vault door were not vault dwellers. So did Hank let the raiders in on purpose? Did he know who was on the other side of the door? I mean, he nuked his wife, so I wouldn't put it passed him to marry his daughter off to a raider.

[@davidcopperfield5345]

@@johnratfink7343 Exactly

[@OutOfTheBoxThinker]

I generally don't care about "open bar", but this one I love. It's great you nerds can have a friendly debate while disagreeing so vehemently. This is so rare these days, and I like to see more of thos.

[@yumyumeatemup]

Gary said it best, this is the kinda stuff we USED to do before our hobbies were invaded by terminally online folks using normie "inclusivity" as a trojan horse to infest our hobby with THEIR modern day "morals, values and sensibilities". It was all performative BS. I wish we had MORE of this kinda of arguing, rather than if the people being cast in it were there to check boxes or fill quotas but sadly the latter is more likely to be true these days in our entertainment than the former.

[@MeltonCrest]

"I played Fallout Las Vegas to death" How to spot a grifter.

[@Ne0ConKiller]

lmao yeah i thought the same

[@Uppernorwood976]

I am also a big Far Out fan!

[@wiggywan1832]

Fall Off Los Vega was mamazing!

[@BeraltofSmivia]

He also described the Prydwen going over the building after defeating Kellogg as happening when you rescue Preston Garvey and the Settlers, and then said that happened in New Vegas. Yeah, guy's full of it.

[@wiggywan1832]

@StuntmanTom357 Well, I've played ALL the Fall Offs, and my favorite is the one where the nuke goes off. The guy was the shows target audience. Someone with enough knowledge to like the idea but no actual investment in the lore. A casual.

[@KentWoodsMusic]

Fred Armison's character does warn Thadeus about the boobie traps then he points to the bodies and says "critics" which was funny. The show is far from perfect but it is fun and enjoyable to watch which is more than I can say than any Marvel movie I've ever seen and especially the ones I haven't including the avengers.

[@itsmecid2106]

Fallout is my favorite game series of all time. I've not watched this and after hearing people's takes and the defenses of criticisms I won't be. Every defense I've heard sounds just like all the other stuff from people who have been defending bad media in recent years. " Yeah but (insert character) isn't very bright", "yeah but it's supposed to be stupid", "that's how it happened/happens in the game". Hearing Mauler give his opinion I feel confident skipping this show is the right decision. Now I'm gonna go boot up my laptop and play Fallout again

[@Onyxrexxar]

You missing out. Mauler is conditioned beyond repair. He sees everything dumb and wokeified even then itt isnt. Looking for high intellect in post apocalyptic , no schools , no education, no fucking reading ability community... soyboy

[@simonspoke]

If you follow MauLer's god-awful and undeserved opinion of it, you'll miss out on a fun entertaining TV show that does the games justice imho. (Speaking as a fan who has played them ALL since the original in 97)

[@itsmecid2106]

@simonspoke I have heard lots of stuff about it, both good and bad. I doubt I would enjoy it and Amazon has zero good faith from me, after other "adaptations," I will not be giving them the benefit of the doubt on anything

[@simonspoke]

@@itsmecid2106 I think this is one of Amazons good ones because of Jonathan Nolan's input, but up to you my dude.

[@StephenCorsaro-z2k]

​@@itsmecid2106I had a similar thought process until I watched Tim Cain's opinion on the show. If the creator thinks it feels like Fallout, then I trust him. And I'm glad I did

[@Kurze0]

House isn't stupid about the nukes, the Chinese dropped the nukes 20 hours before Vault-Tec was planning to, thats why The Ghouls ex-wife didn't have the kid in a vault yet and why House says in NV that he was 20 hours too late. Maximus also moves up the ranks in the BOS because Duke interjects every time, almost like she's got an alternate agenda to put an incompetent into a leadership role. It would not surprise me if she was from the Enclave or Institute remnants. Obviously this is all theory, but this is the kind of thing fallout has always done in the writing.

[@metalmat3651]

Maximum is basically the same character as Franklin from GTA 5. He is the 3rd wheel that completely overshadowed by the other two far better written main characters and is continually falling ass backwards into golden opportunities.

[@johnratfink7343]

Why does he walk like he just sat down on a super sledge handle first. Seriously, look at his walk cycle. Its uncanny. He might actually be an SCP entity.

[@williampoole1742]

Oh my gosh 🤣🤣🤣​@@johnratfink7343

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

So bit late to the party but i am a fallout lore buff and want to give my 2 cents. First, the show takes place quite a while after the games so there is enough time for big changes. The brotherhood is portrayed differently in pretty much every game and uit may be that the lions faction had a big impact or that the appalacian one caught up, both of which recruited non brotherhood born people into their fold. To the enklave theres entire videos on it but if you go for the lore than, ye the Enclave got kicked in the balls twice in the games, loosing their main base in LA and in Washington. But they still have their probably largest base in Alaska, they still have bases asin multiple in Appalachia, and we know that the Enclave did establish a base on the moon AND spread across the globe, and captured an alien ship, so the Enclave can make an easy come back at any time. The main issue i had with their portrayal in the show is that they were unbelievably incompetent. The enclave is the technologicly most advanced faction in fallout given they are the former US most elite scientists and military personnel (originally) the only reason the Enclave didnt obliterate resistance is that they are an even smaller faction than the brotherhood numbers wise, but make up for it with having insane tehcnology - they still have nukes, orbital lasers, the most advanced power armor, plasma rifles, actually function intercontinental helicopters and even some pretty insane biological and chemical weaponry. They have the best trained personnel and yet Wilzig just walks away and whats frustrating is that the Enclave didnt even try to catch him, could have been so epic with an enclave squad tracking him running into the main characters and give them a good scare...but nah...

[@midnightmass128]

The love for this show can best be described as The Mandalorian Effect. You think something that’s not completely awful is amazing. You’ll see how bad it is in season 2

[@midnightmass128]

Oh, Mauler actually says this too. I'm in good company

[@psell8628]

This is hilarious. Just how the Fallout fans fight over the games