Drinker's Chasers - Ahsoka Episode 4 Is A Whole Lot Of Silly (With Some Nice Bits)

[@justlivin2499]

Ray Stevenson absolutely killed it in this role! It’s nice to see a modern Star Wars villain be actually cold and intimidating. (Not to mention he actually managed to beat the female protagonist which is unheard of in Disney Star Wars)

[@ImLow-Key]

Yeah, its intimidating when everyone just shoots at his lightsaber. Really menacing lol Standards are low these days

[@lonewolf9578]

@@ImLow-Key tell us you haven’t watched the show without telling us you haven’t watched the show

[@Сайтамен]

But now she can access any point of time and space...

[@caseycockerham3925]

Ashoka is the love child of Palpatine and anakin

[@esalkor03]

​@lonewolf9578 had to go back cause peope kept talking avout it. From what I can tell, he definitely shifts before some of the shots. More predictive blocking than reactive, so it can look like she shoots at the lightsaber. Then the last 2 shots she just shoots at his face where he can easily just block cause his saber is right there for 1 of them, and barely shifts cause all she kept doing WAS shoot as his face. It's a little strange that she didn't try to at least go for a few shots towards his abdomen and legs. That can still hinder him or catch him off guard since... but yeah, it does look like he moves then she shoots, which is an editing issue with sfx

[@TheWarmachine375]

Ray Stevenson nailed his role as Baylan Skoll pretty well and it's a shame he's gone. Imagine Baylan Skoll being the hero of his own story.

[@stereolyne]

Yeah, I'd rather watch movie about him and his gray haired girl padawan, how they turned to dark side and why they want to bring Thrawn back. Unfortunately, it's the modern Star Wars media we're dealing with, so, no chance for any depth, they're just another random villains who probably are going to be dumped in future episodes.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

I'd be way more interested in seeing a Baylon and Shin story.

[@jonbaxter2254]

I always loved every role he did, he always had such presence.

[@goufr3540]

@@stereolyne That is already leagues better sounding than what we are getting with Ahsoka now. Although he may have passed, it is good to actually see a good Star Wars villain again and he is kind of a cross between Count Dooku and Darth Vader, so there was a lot to work with there.

[@afanofpeanuts7381]

Now you are really making me sad 😔 . UHH THAT POTIENTIAL

[@xk1390]

They explained it very well in the EU (Darth Bane books): Force users can most of the time defend themselves against Force attacks, they sort of project a protective barrier. But Sabine would not be able to do that.

[@spiceboyog9083]

I have one major issues and that’s Ahsoka being saved by someone in the world between worlds twice now. What stakes can there be if every time she almost dies she gets saved Edit: yes commenters let the hate flow through you

[@MikeSandersonVideos]

And honestly even if the character is beloved, why her? How many other characters would be great to see given a second let alone third chance at life?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@zacdecastro-bunce3931 you mean the series where she's literally killed an reincarnated by the magical "force avatar of the light side" the daughter? And where she quits the Jedi temple *JUST* in time to dodge O66? (Not to mention that she only quits because the jedi act way out of character and accuse her of crimes the other alien padawan chick commited that Ahsoka knew about but didn't say anything to clear her own name) Or do you actually mean Rebels where she's saved from death by Ezra warping in via his special limbo land space whale hole?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@@MikeSandersonVideosit's because Filoni loves her, so he's forcing his "OC plz don't steal" jedi daughter into everything. She's now (or at least will be) "the reason" Anakin sees the truth about the jedi and will probably be tied to why he turns back to the light side to help Luke. It's shite writing for a shite quasi self insert

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Filoni will never let his beloved OC die.

[@Ruylopez778]

@@darkpuppetlordful I like how you've criticised the show based on your assumption about what Filoni will do. Why are there so many people accusing Favreau and Filoni of 'forcing' things into the story? Lucas made a fairytale myth in which wizards can die and become ghosts, and you're whining about how Ahsoka won't die? Weird way to look at things. But hey, there's always Andor for you to rewatch. Or Star Trek?

[@neocomp92]

For people who never saw Rebels or read EU, they would think that the story has poorly explained why Thrawn is the big bad boogeyman. We heard many times that he must be stopped, but not why. Conversely, Ezra is the de facto objective as the show repeatedly implies that he and Sabine had some sort of strong emotional relationship. However, even if you saw clips of the Rebels finale, you would know that Ezra made a sacrifice move out of duty that served the greater good. In this show, our heroes chose to serve their hearts, and it ended up with Sabine unwilling to make the same sacrifice move, and we're supposed to root for her?

[@liamphibia]

As someone who's watched all of Rebels a few years ago, your correct.

[@Red-zh7vq]

It’s not even the right Thrawn they’re banking on either. Grand Admiral Thrawn from the true canon of the EU was a force to be reckoned with. Disney Thrawn had very few accomplishments in comparison. They’re threatening to bring back of a terrifying villain while the version the main public has seen is kinda a goober and not someone who seems like figurehead the imperial remnant needs.

[@gaijinhakase1575]

This isn’t Thrawn though. It’s just a blue man Disney decided to name Thrawn.

[@musichere3287]

Let's be honest Thrawn was excellent in Rebels. Almost all of his failures were down to bad luck or incompetent officials. The show managed to make him smart and menacing while still making the rebels win in most cases.

[@jackj9816]

@@Red-zh7vqthe cannon books are by the same writer from the legends ones and there pretty good

[@thechapelperilous]

AZ brought it up on a stream..the fact the coordinates to Thrawn are inside an orb that’s thousands of years old…is really stupid.

[@zom8680]

Its not coordinates to Thrawn at all but someone even more sinister. Thrawn just happens to be there. its a pandora's box

[@maxbaugh9372]

Having not watched Rebels, the only explanation that comes to my mind is that it is a map of the space whales' migration routes, which apparently haven't budged in thousand of years.

[@shadynasty69]

PRONOUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@justlivin2499]

They are not his coordinates, they are the migration paths of the perguil, (the space whales that took thrawn)

[@osets2117]

Are people stupid? It's explained in the show what the map is for, it shows where the purrgal migrate to which will also lead to Thrawn, how terrible are your critical thinking skills? Is paying attention so hard?

[@LaxJedi]

You can boil the episode 4 critique down to to two things; subjectively feels like better Star Wars, objectively still completely Swiss cheese plot wise.

[@avemathews0806]

Well said

[@aquapendulum]

Well, character writing is still spotty. Hera knowingly bringing her own child into a dangerous military mission is some low-key character assassination (even more so for audiences of SW Rebels) and Filoni just blitzed right through that plot point as if he didn't realize what he had just done. I don't really care personally because Hera is Filoni's OC and one of the first new characters introduced in the Disney era. He character-assassinated his own OC, cry me a river. But bad writing is still bad writing nonetheless.

[@Jacksonmontyart]

@@aquapendulumI had a problem with her grabbing the ball and burning her hand when she has the force, and then not hearing the robot get smashed up against the ship. It was also weird to see them standing around forever before fighting when there were stakes on the line that required them to get that thing stopped fast.

[@Sliider36]

chris is dumb sometimes, he's succumbed to accepting amateur writing. this episode isnt good by any measure. same braindead writing. same braindead females. more pure, unfiltered cringe trash.

[@dragonsman4733]

How is it bad plot wise?

[@ryanviningtube]

episodes 1-3 I watched at 1.5 speed, made them bearable, this one I actually slowed it down to normal, that's the best compliment I can give right now

[@wyatttyson7737]

The fact that the Inquisitor guy turns into smoke when he dies means he was a Zombie made by the main villain's Witchcraft... which actually raises so many more questions than if he had been Ezra or Star Killer. Who was that guy that made him worth Zombifying? Unless he was supposed to have been just augmented the way Savage Oppress was... in which case why? Even more questions...

[@pedroalmeida5216]

He was literally toxic masculinity. LMAO!

[@dicksoncider5099]

I feel like you’re giving em too much credit tbh. I’m not sure what the explanation will be but I bet it’s something way more simple and dumb than what you described. Cheers

[@MikeyJG]

Exactly this. Falloni did it in Clone Wars when Oppress dies (ie Green smoke)

[@liamphibia]

I still can't get over the fact that magic itself exists in the Star Wars Universe. Imo it makes no sense.

[@wyatttyson7737]

@@liamphibia I mean, its really just another way to use the Force. The Jedi use it one way, the Sith use it another way, unaligned factions use it their own ways. It is a little weird in execution, but I don't think its too bad.

[@alisonjem]

I thought Rosario Dawson was going to be a decent choice since so many fans supported and wanted her casting. But she is not acting in scenes, I keep hoping she gives some emotion, but when she saw Anakin I felt like that is not how Ahsoka would have acted in animated form. I feel like Rosario isn’t getting the character well. Like where is the acting range? Roasario makes it look like Ahsoka doesn’t care about anything. It’s incredibly disappointing. I thought Rosario understood the character more, but I feel like she wasn’t required to watch the clone wars to prepare for this role? Or didn’t care to? Also after seeing the stunts in one piece’s live action.. compared to what Ahsoka’s stunts have been…. Man the disappointment and lack of care really show. At this point I would of preferred they just continued this story arc in clone wars animated fashion and style, because these actors ain’t it…

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

I have been thinking a lot about this. It is as if Dawson only studied Ahsoka from Clone Wars and never watched her transition to Ahsoka the White in Rebels.

[@Wileylikethehawk]

Of course she didn’t. Are you guys new? Actors aren’t big nerds like the rest of us. They don’t watch that crap. She’s probably only seen Empire once.

[@alisonjem]

@@Wileylikethehawk I hear yah, but it’s called character study, it’s part of the actors job once they get the role.

[@Luhcalmmattyice]

@@alisonjemread a Wikipedia paragraph then go and do your job. She’s only employed because she’s hot why would she give a fuck about her character they pay her the same amount of money

[@silenceisthekey9374]

This not having emotional reactions apparently is being done by every 1 in this series it works on the villans not the rebels

[@realbadger]

"Why does he blink?" In the _Star Wars_ novelization George himself wrote himself (so, talk about canon big time), it points out 3PO glancing upwards (as the rebel blockade-runner ship is being pulled into the Star Destroyer), has _nothing_ to do with his hearing, but a behaviour within his programming that had him seen More Human (for interactions with humans). So a droid "blinking" is for it to seem more anthropomorphized.

[@TurKlack]

Hey You almost make it sound like the Droids in Star Wars aren't sentient but only act like that because they were build like that. Color me surprised. I thought every Star Wars Fan believes Droid Lives matter.

[@MikeSandersonVideos]

Weak retro fitted excuse. No way they thought of this whilst making this

[@TurKlack]

Star wars novelization. Which one, could you point me to the source? I'm curious.

[@realbadger]

@@MikeSandersonVideos Why would they have to Think About It when it's already 46 year old canon...? 😉

[@shadynasty69]

aint gona win em over drinker already told him star wars bad so star wars bad and reject all canon established explanations @@realbadger

[@DarthDevorin]

It would make more sense if Shin used more Force attacks against Sabine, as she has no defenses against it.

[@rennmaxbeta]

Just Force slam her against tree after tree and into the ground

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

She is still a Padawan. She used plague and throw when Sabine gave the map to Baylan

[@danyknight9107]

If that happen then Sabine will be EXTREMELY dead by now, force choke, that is the only thing Hati has to use against Sabine, she has no counter for that, no protection. The scene where Ahoska defeats Marrok and then Sabine say: "Go I got this" got me rolling in agony on the chair. You got nothing, Shin is a well trained Force user way ahead of your league. Ahsoka know all of this and instead of helping her against Shin she just "gotta go fast" the show is full wiht horrible inconsistencies like this every 4-5 minutes.

[@1down4upworkshop61]

I say the same thing. Sabine may be a skilled duelist, but she is not a force user. Turn off her light saber. Or Pull it from her hands and slice her in half ...

[@Biscuits645]

A lot of things would make sense if they actually wrote this show properly. Unfortunately they didn't.

[@praiza1481]

Sabine previously : brilliant engineer, thought she could bring peace to Mandalore by helping the Empire but turned out to be manipulated and caused countless deaths, leading her to be shunned by her own clan. Joined a group of rebels, fought the Empire for years through desperate situations, lost friends along the way, redeemed herself in the eyes of her clan, inherited the Darksaber. Sabine now : negative IQ, depressive, prideful, disrespectful and a traitor. Good job Filoni.

[@Enigma75614]

She was a great character before.

[@bengale9977]

Honestly emotional traitor Sabine is far more interesting than Rebels Sabine (who was a ridiculous character). It also made complete sense that Sabine would want to join the people who are creating the ship that is the only way she can fulfill her goal and betray Ahsoka who is actively trying to destroy both the ship and the map. My only problem was that Filoni tried to make it a shocking twist rather than a logical outcome.

[@Enigma75614]

@@bengale9977 I didn’t see it as a betrayal, I saw it more as her not being able to bring herself to sacrifice her only chance of finding Ezra.

[@bengale9977]

@@Enigma75614 but that's just the reason for her betrayal though. She betrayed Ahsoka because she didn't want to give up the only chance of finding Ezra. I'm glad they are actually doing something interesting with her I just wish that the show had better writing and acting.

[@AmbiguousMan494]

@@Enigma75614 lol

[@alexreiz6128]

Sad thing is that if Thrawn related material were gifted to same people who made Andor we could have something good, or at least okay-ish. But hey, it won't be Kaitlyn's Star Female Wars if one of more or less potentially interesting characters not about to be on course to be inevitablly totally ruined

[@lonewolf9578]

You say that but imagine if Thrawn is a part of Andor somehow, considering it takes place long before Rebels so he’ll still be around in the setting

[@K-TownJuggalo]

Then it would be a boring slog to watch just like Andor.

[@lonewolf9578]

@@K-TownJuggalo not enough lightsaber fights or space battles for you?

[@stijnvandenheuvel8117]

​@@K-TownJuggaloAndor is the best thing that happened to Star Wars since the OT at the very least.

[@davidteachout1888]

Andor may have some good writing but it's still boring af.

[@MMCUSN]

It's like ordering a meal and the only good thing is the wine.

[@GusArango]

What a wine, though.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

heh heh.. the whine?

[@sergf3624]

These ppl like to whine its like ordering a meal get spit in the face and get your food thrown into a dumpster and saying thank you and get going back for more these guys love this shit

[@cordatusscire344]

It is rather easy to understand why two force users will not typically try to slam each other into walls.. they just counter it. It is actually more efficient to channel the force into physical enhancements and go into melee. You need to be far above your opponent to just use force powers to ragdoll them. Most of the games (Jedi Knight) displayed this very issue. You could try to use force powers on the enemy force users.. but they'll just counter it and punish you.

[@rogerborg]

Ray Stevenson's performance in RRR is worth revisiting. It's such a villainous role that he could have gone full ham, but he plays it much more seriously than the pantomime level that Alan Rickman went with in Robin Hood. Both great choices, for the specific way that they fit into each film. Like all the UK/Oirish cast, he's directed to enunciate in a very specific, clear style to make their English easily comprehensible to an Indian audience, but he still nails the performance through that filter. He actually gets a tiny amount of screen time, but uses that to demonstrate that there are no small roles. He's pitch perfect in it, as is Alison Doody.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Punisher War Zone stars Ray Stevenson and is vastly underrated. Not perfect, but great hammy violence.

[@Impuritan1]

I think his portrayal of Punisher is the closest we’re ever gonna see, especially now. Yes it was a shit plot and corny but damn he brought the violence.

[@roninmarketingproductions]

That bazooka shot to the free runner and fist through the cokehead was top shelf

[@sadeknight9112]

8:00 with all due respect Mauler, Han covers 3po’s mouth in Empire.

[@bethanyh1637]

It didn't muffle his voice, though. C3P0 stopped talking.

[@brianb815]

They make a correlation between Sabine being a mandalarion warrior, but she had the drop on Shin TWICE and Baylan once and just wimped out.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

George Lucas: Do it faster and more intense. Dave Filoni: Do it slower with less emotion.

[@afanofpeanuts7381]

There wasn't AN OUNCE of emotion in those George Lucas SW prequel films... gimme a fucking break. Like master, like apprentice-

[@ericvulgate]

Be 'stoic'

[@liamphibia]

Dave Filoni can't direct live action.

[@Puzzoozoo]

Dave Filoni is nothing but a feminised studio eunuch.

[@quiett6191]

@@afanofpeanuts7381 yep, thats what people credit Marcia Lucas for injecting into the OT. To be fair though, you can tell the actors did try to do so in Revenge of the Sith, after the dryness of the 2 previous films.

[@Mattlovesstuff]

honestly all the good guy stuff and the bad guy stuff feels like it was written by two separate groups, good side dialogue is so painful whilst the bad guy stuff looks like its getting good

[@rennmaxbeta]

Facts

[@bethanyh1637]

The bad guy stuff has the advantage of brevity and ambiguity. If Baylon, his poodle, and the witch were to stand in a hall and discuss their feelings about Thrawn for 10 minutes... like they've done with the heroes... it would also be a disaster.

[@chasewilson3693]

They benefit only from not being around Dave Filoni's fanfic girl bosses "OC's do not steal" for extended periods of time. Meaning that each scene with them actually gets to the god damn point and accomplishes what it was created to do for the story, which still isn't good but at least its simply serviceably generic rather than fucking boring. Otherwise, the audience has to sit and watch as Filoni painfully masturbates through the script as his OC's """talk""" to each other about nothing for way way WAY too long.

[@fffx2]

If EVERY other episode improves beyond episode 4, it might have been worthwhile

[@user-gs2jg7fr9e]

These guys are so incredibly triggered by Disney that they'll find any reason to hate on it.

[@JAFTW]

No it won't

[@F1lthy_Frank]

@@user-gs2jg7fr9e no what they hate is what Disney has done to their beloved franchise

[@jlev1028]

If it takes until the midway point for a show to be good, that doesn't cast a good light.

[@fffx2]

​@@user-gs2jg7fr9eExcept for Andor, Disney Star Wars is trash

[@workingman9019]

You know how stupid it's going to be when Ahsoka has to connect her ship to a SPACE WHALE to get to Thrans location lol.

[@TheKpa11]

If this was kingdom hearts. That would be Monstro and it’d be more acceptable

[@Сайтамен]

Nah, she will just walk through a portal.

[@Fujtajblus]

Oh shit, the show makes me turn off the brain completely to be at least 1% entertained that I did not even realize that is how they will get there :/ I watched all the clone wars and rebels back in the day and I am sad these characters are turning into this wood like cartboards.

[@atlantah5496]

like a horse carriage 💀

[@workingman9019]

@@Сайтамен and leave purple hair girl behind? Lol

[@Razgriz85]

The dude in the helmet turned out to be the smoke monster from Lost. Also, that other world that Ahsoka goes to does transcend time and space (you can go anywhere at any time), but I don't think the show will utilize it properly, and the de-aged face on Anakin really looked plasticy in this one.

[@Magnifico145]

Dark side witches (dathomir nightsisters) being able to reanimate the dead with green smoky stuff is part of the established cannon due to the Clone Wars series. I've heard that particular magic made an appearance in the Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order game as well.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

The smoke monster from Lost was Galactus in Fantastic 4 and Silver Surfer. This smoke guy was Hellboy's new German boss in Golden Army.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

“Anything less than the best is a Filoni.” Misquote from Ice Ice Baby which has been echoing in my head for some reason. 😁

[@JackQSmith]

That kid saying "Mom, I've got a bad feeling" after what had just happened reminded me of the last episode of GoT when Arya says "I know a killer when I see one." about Daenerys when everyone just saw her kill tens of thousands of people with her dragon. How insightful.

[@tcook6759]

I am not watching any Disney until they stop pushing their agendas. Great show guys. I love keeping up with things by listening to you all.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Have you read "Don't Give Money To People Who HATE You"?

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

Hot take: I wouldn’t have an issue with the world between worlds if it was just an exclusive Jedi fast travel feature and not time/timeline travel BS.

[@firstlast9846]

Wasn’t that WHOLE THING just created cos Filoni couldn’t say goodbye to Ahsoka?

[@darkpuppetlordful]

​@@firstlast9846yes. Just like he had her "stop being a jedi" in clone wars so he could have her duck 66

[@Сайтамен]

That would ruin the OT because Obi-Wan wouldn't need Han Solo smuggling him and Yoda wouldn't be stuck on Dagobah.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

@@darkpuppetlordful LMFAO and people said Filoni is a good writer/storyteller and/or will "save Star Wars", LMFAO even long before this show was even announced we had ample evidence he's a hack and yet people still blindly defend rebels and his other shows? I guess it's because they are children's cartoons and thus manchildren think it's brilliant? As Drinker put it in a previous video, "Just because it's better than the Rey trilogy doesn't mean it's good"

[@dragonsman4733]

​@@darkpuppetlordful that wasn't the reason. The reason why he and Lucas stopped her from being a jedi was to add to the journey of anakins fall, and to start developing anakins hate for the jedi order earlier on. The lack of research and spreading of misinformation in this comment section is just sad

[@Hollyclown]

I remember seeing dozens of SW theories videos pop up for the masked Inquisitor, then I just looked at those and said, “it doesn’t matter.” Turns out I was right.

[@osets2117]

Side characters are sometimes just side characters. I hate it when people make theories like that as well

[@Hollyclown]

@@osets2117 I’m not completely against it. It’s just with Disney’s case, the writers intentionally write these characters to be nothing more than mystery boxes… with fart gas inside. Typically when you introduce a mysterious masked side or background character, there is an expectation from the audience that showrunners would do something with those characters, expand on lore and story, or make drama. A skilled writer can do a lot with a side character like that. But not with Disney. It’s just have been fart boxes, every single time.

[@osets2117]

@@Hollyclown yeah I don't agree with that at all, sometimes side characters are just side characters. You (generalizing, it's not just you) only expect side characters to be something else because it's been done to death at this point, I'm glad this masked individual is nothing more than a throwaway character because I'm bored of the "side character is secretly important" trope. His purpose is to show Morgan can perform the night sister ritual of reanimation which is a powerful ability that only the strongest night sisters are capable of performing.

[@neilgoldsmith482]

Drinker. Ray Stephenson was fantastic RIP Ray.

[@chasehedges6775]

He’s an amazing actor

[@Gryphonette]

I can say this as I am female, but when they were talking about them taking so much time getting dressed, discussing what to do, etc. before rushing madly to engage, my first thought was “Because that’s we women tend to do.” 🙄

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Reaper said that in his review 😂

[@Сайтамен]

2018. Dave Filoni: I want to bring Ahsoka back. Fans: why? She had a perfect endi... Filoni: SHUT UP! SHE IS MY OC! And to bring her back I will introduce...time travel! Fans: Dave?! This ruines the stakes in all of Star Wars! Filoni: Calm down, it will be used only once to save her and then access to it will be destroyed forever. Fans: sure... 2023. Fans: Dave... Filoni: what? Look, it's young Anakin! Fans: Facepalm...

[@danyknight9107]

For me world betwen wolrds was one of the most horrendous things ever created for SW, it was only created for only this particular reason, bring Ahoska back from death. In the process all the stakes where lost and if Filoni is not keep on chek he will start to bring back characters from the OT and the Prequels, this could be very bad.

[@dragonsman4733]

Was this supposed to be funny? Not questioning your sense of humour, just the lack of research behind it.

[@Сайтамен]

@@danyknight9107 Ok, I was wrong, it's not actually World between Worlds this time, thank god, it's just her vision.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Am I the only one who thinks ALL of these women look AWKWARD when shown running?

[@ajclements4627]

No, it’s really cringey to watch.

[@Hravngrimm]

The Star Wars fandom is the worst at this point. Any little member berry and they all go berserk. Dave is horrible always has been, the clone wars and rebels were subpar. Their like an abused spouse at this point, looking past all the garbage and just point and gasp “Anakin?!?!” gives me migraines.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

💯

[@TheSpaceWomble]

"Never underestimate your audience. They're generally sensitive, intelligent people who respond positively to quality entertainment." I'm thinking about that quote as I watch Asooka run off to fight Lord Balin alone when she was stood a short jog away from her padawan, the two of them could easily have dispatched her in a few seconds and then gone together to fight Balin. Then I'm thinking to myself, this is just one more dumb thing that makes little sense in all these dumbed down shows by Disney.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Im a massive fan of the clone wars cartoons so of course Im gonna like it. I can understand how people that didnt get into the characters in that show don't like it that much. I think Filoni needs help with proper dialogue. There's too many pregnant pauses. On the whole it was alright, but not groundbreaking as such. Cheers Drinker.

[@lonewolf9578]

I think it’s more down to direction than just the writing, though Ashoka could probably do with being slightly less stoic and the villains could definitely use more characterisation, rn it’s only really Balen I’m interested in out of the lot (not counting Thrawn because we’re yet to see this shows version of him)

[@firstlast9846]

I mean.. I know more about the lore than the average, more casual viewer.. and even I was lost.. I can’t imagine casual audiences watching Filoni’s Avengers / Star Wars movie and knowing what’s going on. He focuses way too much on world building than building the characters

[@lonewolf9578]

@@firstlast9846 well I mean the characters have already been built so 🤷‍♂️

[@firstlast9846]

@lonewolf9578 - so? Just make Rebels Season 5 then.. you shouldn’t market a standalone show then make it inaccessible to new viewers - just cos one guy couldn’t let his creation go.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

I think it also reeks (for a casual audience) of corporate meddling and nonsense. None of the characters are explained in show, so there's an expectation to know them prior which for a casual audience comes off as "Oh well that orange chick is Roasrio Dawson, so of course she gets her own show" which reduces an already mid character to who she's played by

[@keithgordon3823]

I agree!!!! What's the separation between chucking fools around with The Force, as opposed to sparking up your Lightsaber!!!! ????? It's not consistent!

[@undeaddave9671]

The more they stretch out the episode the less actual writing they have to do. That's why they moved like glaciers.

[@rennmaxbeta]

And it still only 30 minutes

[@SoulHuN7eR]

9:30 exactly my point. Arnold gearing up in the movie Commando almost 40 years ago still looks as cool and badass as the first time you watched it and he does it in about 20 seconds!

[@hayatojin2886]

I love how you guys let each other finish speaking before butting in like other podcasts i listen to, its refreshing. Ray Stevenson was an amazing actor, watch Rome!

[@s3p4kner]

13th!

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

@@s3p4knerPullo! Formation!

[@aldunlop4622]

Big upvote!

[@Radhaugo108]

If Ahsoka was so determined to destroy the map, then why didn’t she use her two lightsabers for the fight and destroyed it instead of grabbing it with her hands?

[@christinalayton345]

Destroying the map was the worst case scenario. She wanted to try to salvage it. I think she used one lightsaber to be able to defend more effectively against a larger and stronger opponent.

[@Ruylopez778]

Look at how Ahsoka needs both hands on the hilt to block Baylan's blows. She probably anticipated that by the length on his lightsaber. If she only wanted to destroy the orb, she would have done it when she found it in the temple. And the show would have been a single 5 minute episode.

[@insertoyouroemail]

Yeah, I was constantly yelling at the screen for her to just destroy it.

[@Imylover]

Just destroy the pillar it was resting on. If that is out the calculations can't be made anymore, ball or no ball. No one uses their heads while fighting here. NO ONE! But the characters are no smarter than the morons that wrote them, & know no more about actual fighting than the same idiotic writers that know shit about actual fighting & strategies etc.

[@praiza1481]

@@christinalayton345 except she told Sabine to destroy the map should the worst happen. And from her point of view, she was alone, facing an opponent she might not be able to defeat, and time was of the essence. The Ahsoka we knew would have destroyed the map.

[@jinksos2]

Also in regards to the whole Droids attacking the ship thing is the whole point of that attack was as baylon said was to delay the jedi but inaccuallity it just got Sabine and ahsoka out of the ship and moving faster. They were perfectly happy on the ship and only got out after they were attacked. The droids/sith should only have attacked when they saw them make a move if their only objective was to delay the jedi.

[@bassmasta93]

This episode was solid, the fight choreography was the best in this one, still no where near prequel level. Loved seeing Hayden again.

[@AliceBowie]

Imagine if some company bought out chick fil a, or kfc, and then, on the day of the grand reopening, everyone finds out they only serve unflavored tofu, no chicken. That's disney star wars.

[@damonr6987]

👍👍

[@davids2977]

"Every moment I'm alive is agony." *Blllllaaaaawwwrg* Best Tree House of Horror segment ever.

[@TheDemigans]

You arrive at the scene, a good friend is at the edge of a cliff barely holding back a lightsaber. You are armed and have a clear shot at their back, even if they somehow notice and block your the direction of your friends lightsaber would instantly kill him if he got out of the bind. Or you announce your presence and fail even basic intimidation, let him kick your buddy off and then after not pressing your threat just surrender to the guy who killed your friend. Stellar writing there.

[@osets2117]

He knew she was there. You do know how the force works right? It allows you to sense things around you and warns you of potential danger. You're just looking for things to complain about at this point

[@Сайтамен]

Jasen: I have a bad feeling. Arya: I know a killer when I see one.

[@RRTNZ]

I was willing to ignore the nonsense to focus on enjoying Ray Stevenson dominating every scene with his gravitas, presence and quiet Menace. That he was able to best Ahsoka, and entice Sabine, gives Star Wars villains back some of their threat. Better pacing too. I fear this may be the highpoint of the series.

[@JohnDoe-g7z8s]

I love all the enthusiasm for Ahsoka in the beginning of the clip.

[@Unicornpirate]

What I can say about Baylan is that he's a really cool character, like he has that classic imposing space opera villain vibe. But generally speaking everyone in the show is pretty mediocre and not well written, it's just that Stevenson really knew how to act. His defining characteristic is “stoicism”. In other words, Dave has relied on the charisma of the actor to bridge the writing gaps.

[@Zer0Mat8c]

The smoke guy was nightsister magic from Morgan LaFay. Nightsister magic has been around since the clone wars

[@420Dogmatic]

There's one part that just bugged the shit out of me. They showed Ashoka being fast enough to cut the Inquistor past his helicopter saber, but then she just stands there for 3 minutes letting Sabine potentially get stabbed again. Did she forget she was ruthless to her enemies in the Clone Wars when it come to protecting one of her own?

[@TheStacanova]

Hera’s Child is like Sarah from Team America, “I sense they got away!”.

[@gaijinhakase1575]

The real Thrawn from the EU (and the entire Chiss Ascendancy) was so bad ass. I hate that Disney stole and desecrated his character for their shit show, but I’m glad they haven’t actually touched any of the stories in the real SW universe.

[@iamrandarklamb5335]

Predicted scene with Sabine and Ezra Sabine: Ezra!! Ezra: Sabine!! they embrace Ezra: so how did you find me? Sabine: Well... Ezra: Did you get help from Hera and the rest of the Ghost crew? are they alright? where are they??? Sabine: Well.... Ezra: they are ok right? how did you get here exactly? Sabine: well I came on a ship... Ezra: The Ghost... where is it, I can't see it here... Sabine what are you not telling me?

[@ephraimwinslow]

Must we continue to pay attention to this? Why is everyone so eager to cast themselves in the role of battered spouse & reassure themselves that there's hope for our abusers to change? That's not how it works.

[@solarsailer4166]

Agreed. I think it has a lot to do with how much people love SW and how much they want to good ol' das back so desparately, they'll keep putting up with it, but all the while sinking deeper and deeper into the muck.

[@joshportie]

I was a lifelong starwars fan, read every book thats now called legends for many years. Now I dont care at all. I agree.

[@joshportie]

​@@solarsailer4166i disagree as one of the biggest star wars fans ever formerly.

[@ephraimwinslow]

@@joshportie That's another big part of it. Basically all the best Star Wars plotlines are now part of non-canon novels and games. I already got the Yuuzhan Vong from the expanded universe. There is literally nothing that the Kathleen Kennedy set could ever produce that compares. Period. So why set myself up for disappointment?

[@joshportie]

@@ephraimwinslow facts and the thrawn trilogy.

[@VykeKing]

Chris Gore: I really liked this episode Everyone else: *Crickets..*

[@tsutsuji1]

I abandoned the Ahsoka ship after episode 2 and tbh I don’t think I’m inclined to go back to watching it. Thanks to KZbinrs like Drinker I’ve kept up with the show’s plot to know what’s been happening. So, Drinker it’s you and your pals that are what’s good about Ahsoka. You give me the deets so I don’t have to bore myself to tears watching the show. 😂

[@danyknight9107]

For me was similar. I was not expecting the same level of writing/acting/cinematography/direction of Andor, but when I see those first 2 episodes I almost got blood exploding out of my ears and eyes, it was extremely painfully mediocre.

[@mtheman4221]

4:58 is like that Gus meme from braking bad when he changes to a serious face

[@keithgordon3823]

Nothing will ever top Darth Maul, coming back with robot spider legs!!!!! 🤖 🕷️!!!! CHAD!!!!

[@lonewolf9578]

Fr, people can criticise him coming back but the fact he kept himself alive through pure hatred and rage for Obi Wan was great

[@Сайтамен]

@@lonewolf9578 You do understand it's even stupider than Reva "revenge does wonder for the will to live" because he was doing it for a decade?

[@lonewolf9578]

@@Сайтамен because Reva was a youngling and Maul was a sith born on Dathomir and trained by Palpatine There’s a massive difference between what each character could reasonably accomplish. Maul made sense, Reva did not

[@Сайтамен]

@@lonewolf9578 No there isn't. Maul would lose organs and bleed to death every time he needed to poop. By your logic, Palpatine was the strongest Sith, makes sense he survived vaporisation...

[@justlivin2499]

Not to mention the fact he had the best storylines outside of the clone ones in TCW, and his fight with Obi Wan in Rebels was pure perfection

[@999999SkyGuy]

4:21 I don't think I would have liked her more if she lost limb(s). She is still live action Sabine I have zero connection too. Cool cybernetic implements could be a way to grow her as a person. But they treated her injury after the first episode so casual. We just have hints at characteristics but even Baylan Skoll is not well fleshed out. Ray Stevenson makes the best of what he gets. He gets sadly nothing to work with and I feel that's largely thanks to his delivery of the lines compared to every one else. Therefore Sir Skoll comes across to be imposing and I'm gonna miss his presence. I really want to be a fly on the wall at the Lucasfilm writing room. What are they doing?

[@EvilDoresh]

It's not like getting your limb chopped off is actually a big deal in Star Wars. They've had perfect hand replacements since _at least_ the original trilogy period.

[@Invalidcookie-bv4cx]

Drinker, The force can only be used on people with less "force" than you have. For instance, Yoda couldn't lift Sidious They are about evenly matched in the force. But yoda could throw a non-force user around the world. (I'm being hyperbolic) Shin didn't try to force Throw/Choke Sabine because she thought she had the force, but once she knows she didn't she choked her the next time they met. It's basically like your strength, You can't lift more than something weighs. And Shin was looking at a suitcase she thought was full, but it turns out it was empty.

[@danyknight9107]

Fair point, but in Episode 3 we got to see Anaking and Obi Wan make a force push hand to hand and both were thrown in opposite directions. We now(because of Episode 1) that Anaking has a midclorian count(I really hate that thing invented by George) way ahead of Kenobi, even more ahead of Yoda, that was discovered back when Anakin was a child, by Episode 3 he his a grown man with years of training, that argument of "both are match" will not apply there, Anakin should be able to desintegrate Kenobi out of existance, at least destroy all his arm. Now I understand your argument and even like it it really has logic similar to people with same muscular strenght, but the thing is that even then Shin should be able to at least use force to things like: take away Sabine saber, move rocks and pieces of trees into her, even raising a pile of dry leaves and dust from the ground to create a smoke curtain as a tactic, you can make a lot of interesting situations wher Shin could use the force and just kill Sabine.

[@osets2117]

Better example, Yoda was able to turn off asajj ventress's lightsabers, that's only possible if you outclass your opponent

[@Slightly-Acceptable-Nerd]

Yeah good point 👍 However, one thing crucial to notice is that if Ahsoka can just force-choke Shin then why didn't she do it sooner after she took out Marrouk (the zombie guy) so that she could help Sabine out? Also I'm not sure if force zombies can actually understand more than basic commands but Marrouk was shown piloting ... .

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

Not that simple, but kind of. There are force attacks and force defenses. Force powers are typically slower than physical attacks because of the concentration required. Most force powers can be "suppressed" or blocked by the target if they too are a force wielder and they know the technique. But strong attackers can have attacks so strong they can overwhelm the defense.

[@dimercamparini]

"Shin didn't try to force Throw/Choke Sabine because she thought she had the force, but once she knows she didn't she choked her the next time they met. " It doesnt work like that IRL. if you are fighting an enemy you dont know, you try/do things (and maybe sometimes they fail if the enemy has countermeasures to that...so you try something different)...first, usually the things that are more easy and effective for you... You dont restrain yourself pre-emptively on the premise that "yeah, maybe this wont work because I PRESUME she has the force, so why bother trying..."

[@tildesarecool7782]

Han put his mouth over c-3po's mouth in Empire... _boom canon_

[@Patrick-fk4ef]

Haven't watched a single second of "Ahsoka," only been following the discussion from Drinker, Nerdrotic, etc.- Why would the Sith chick, after stabbing Sabine in the gut (which in Disney Star Wars is no longer a fatal blow), not slice upward or sideways and cut Sabine in half?

[@ajclements4627]

Sabine’s wearing plot armor, it’s stronger than beskar.

[@Sam_T2000]

I like the World Between Worlds as more of a Force afterlife or purgatory, which is what it seemed to be in this episode, rather than some quasi-time travel zone that anyone can potentially access, as it was portrayed in _Rebels._

[@setlik3gaming80]

General Green Bean and AhSucka actresses know they look absolutely ridiculous. They are obviously phoning it in, cashing paychecks and will never play these characters again.

[@atlantah5496]

bro with the 13 year old humour 💀

[@setlik3gaming80]

@@atlantah5496 Not humor. Have the courage to face the TRUTH.

[@snewsh]

*Dr Evil voice* "BEGIN THE UNNECESSARILY SLOW DECODING PROCESS"

[@sketchtherapy1218]

No it’s not in her head The World Between MC Escher Worlds is Felonis literal teleportation and time travel mechanism.

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

Basically a fast travel system in Star Wars. Honestly, this might be a hot take, but if it was and explicitly limited to Jedi as ONLY for travel between planets NOT TIME/TIMELINES I would be OK with it.. well, if it wasn’t made by Disney 😂

[@sketchtherapy1218]

@@ministryofwrongthink6962 fast travel isnt supposed top be literal the chracters dont fast travel the player skips the fast travel this isn't a game and in a game the player is the only one that persieves the fast travel stop simping for bad writing.

[@TheKillianKanVT]

Wait wait. It just hit me. Did bad guys do the holdo maneuver (whatever her name was) before hold was even there? And if yes - then why it did so little damage compared to the movie one?

[@samdirichlet7500]

Regarding Hera: The people who write this stuff clearly don't know what leadership is. They've never read a biography of a great general. The protagonists they write are romance movie protagonists. The main characters in the new Star Wars shit are to be respected because they have a title. For contrast, think of General Pikalov in the Chernobyl series. He doesn't command your respect because he's a general and is "cleared to see everything." The series is full of useless people who are in charge. He commands respect because when he needs to lead, he steps to the front. He makes you think about the humiliation you'd feel for failing him. He makes you think about the righteous rage you, as sergeant in charge of the detail to cover his truck with lead, would feel as you ripped Private Fuckup in half for not doing his job. You don't get that from General Hera (or Admiral Pinkhair-Dern) because they don't feel like leaders. They are assigned to the position of leader. That is enough for a romance movie protagonist but not enough for an action movie protagonist.

[@atlantah5496]

how do we know the standing of an general in the new republic that is just getting build up again. Or is it maybe just her old title that she kept after the war? Currently the general title doesn't mean much.

[@quiett6191]

Does Hera even have anything or anyone under her command? They try to have her be the swashbuckling, lead from the front type, but they show her to have zero responsibilities. She's actually more like a desk bound general, who polishes a chair with her backside at HQ, signing papers.

[@dragonsman4733]

I'm guessing you haven't watched rebels.

[@SeSeReRfRf]

Genius marketing and writing by Disney. In order to watch this show, you have to watch 7 seasons on Clone Wars, 5 seasons of Rebels, 2 seasons of Mandalorian and 1 season of Boba Fett. 15 seasons in total just to get what's going on. All to see more schlock Disney writing.

[@5PawZ]

Sabine was stupid OP in Rebels too. Which also made no sense.

[@EvilDoresh]

Her Mandalorian getup gave her plot armor.

[@darrengaroutte7744]

I thought the map download was yet another example of Disney Star Wars failing to capitalize on a decent idea. If they had begun the download the first time Space Stonehenge was activated then their would be a ticking clock across multiple episodes, helping to build tension. Please remember countdown clocks only go as fast as the narrative requires them to as evidence in episode one when Ahsoka ran a mile away before the assassin droids finally exploded. And by making the download a multi episode thing it confers to the audience that this isn't just a regular hyperspace jump, that this is something far more complex. The download would have also served for a great reason why Ahsoka couldn't just bug out once she'd visually confirmed Morgan was building a big hyperspace ring. Plus it would have forced the characters to hustle at the start of episode 4.

[@chileanyways196]

I liked it 🤷‍♀️

[@Justfred.440]

I agree with all the points also I was under the assumption based on episode 1 that ahsoka could sense when a droid or something was around because she went into sabines house after she'd gone to the hospital and destroyed another droid?so why couldn't she sense when there were droids outside that's what I was expecting anyway and that she'll come outside and handle the droid

[@wyattstone8222]

The best thing that can happen to this series is the reveal that the yuuzhan vong are coming to invade and Thrawn is the best hope to defend the galaxy and everyone in it.

[@Havic1137]

No, the best thing that can happen is Thrawn isn't in the series at all.

[@kn3448]

No, the best thing that can happen is that Disney totally collapses, has to sell Star Wars back to George Lucas who then declares everything created for Star Wars by Disney was utter bollocks and that a new sequel trilogy based on Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command will be made before giving the saga a long, much needed break.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

@@kn3448 This guy gets it. There is no way Disney can pull off any part of the EU. The 'best' they've done with fan favorite Thrawn is "he's like out there or something and also so is this dumb OC from Filoni's cartoon and we need space whales to find him and also stop big bad blue man" LOL Does anyone REALLY think that Disney would do the yuuzhan vong and all the accompanying story arcs and subplots (or even a small fraction of them, if any) justice?

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

@@kn3448Everything except Andor, Rogue One, and some of the novels (like Timothy Zhan’s canon Thrawn novels), we can keep those, toss the rest of canon.

[@Timbuktu407]

“Man up and vanished like a fart in the wind!” 😂

[@davidsummer8631]

If it wasn't for this show I wouldn't have know that moribund was an acting style

[@sztallone415]

After reading comments discussing Rebels and CW: what the hell happened in them? What's with all the crazy shit, like hyper space whales, full resurrection etc? Bringing back Maul opened the floodgates, now we've clearly seen that, so what was the fan reaction to those? I watched the Jedi Knight games' story, and the Nightsisters' magic are pushing it for me. It dilutes the other force users' rarity if handled carelessly, and I don't think we've seen care by disney for a long while.

[@Elfenlied8675309]

The Clone Wars had pretty much all the Nightsisters wiped out by Grievous along with their magic orb that let their weird Lich mother live forever. Maul came back and escaped to the unknown, Ahsoka survived Order 66. It was a lot. Rebels was a lot more boring but it mostly showed like, Mauls death, Ahsoka VS Vader and her "Death" (Before being saved by LITERAL time travel) and magic space whales that the main character could speak to in his mind and control? And Grand Admiral Thrawn I guess lol.

[@sztallone415]

​@@Elfenlied8675309 I see. At least they made the sisters rare. So what's your opinion about the shows? I don't like the time travel and magic whales. But I heard they had some good moments, the Ahsoka-Vader fight and Maul's characterisation. but Thrawn wasn't very good

[@earthlingcarl3179]

This was the best episode so far but still very poor season overall.

[@petermgruhn]

"My favourite part was when the hyperdrive went through the mall." I would have liked that too. Like the Blues Brothers with lasers.

[@karlshewchuk6463]

The kid is Kanan's son. So at some point he's going to save the day with the force (untrained of course)

[@AJTalon]

Impossible. Those with a Y chromosome can't save anything.

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

Please no

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

​@@AJTalonhe'll come out as a transkid

[@ajclements4627]

Why’s there no trace of Hera in that kid? No green tint to his skin, no baby tentacles (I forget the name of them).

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

@@ajclements4627 he has green hair. The tentacles are called "lekku", singular "lek".

[@JB-vq6oe]

Alrighty bois, so the thing with Force powers vs Force powers (at least before Disney took control…) is that if you are using purely Force on someone you have to overcome their “Force Wall” which is the natural resistance against the Force that every person has, and Force users have a much higher wall (think if it as AC in D&D, lower for that 0-level peasant, much higher for the Jedi Knight (paladin, lol)). This is THE REASON why lightsaber combat was actually done between Force users, because you’d have to concentrate to overcome someone’s Force Wall, all while they are doing the same to you, etc etc. not even including if it’s an actual battle and not a duel. However, Force powers that manifest or use something physical are different. Vader throwing stuff at Luke in Ep5 was easy for Vader but also harder for Luke to defend against; Palpatine’s Force Lightning caused Yoda to stop so he could nullify it (Windu’s just badass); Maul made sure he was far away from Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan, relative to melee combat, before he pointed at the piece of metal to hit the panel in order for the doors to open, otherwise he would have been open to at attack. No Force user attacks another directly with the Force because of the effort it expense and concentration required. TLDR: Ahsoka should have never been able to just throw Shin unless she was magnitudes more powerful than her, because she has to overcome her instinctual Force resistance.

[@durnanironknuckles1617]

Single moms in a Galaxy far far away... Endangered their children to chase the "Bad boy's" commitments and validation. 😊

[@jacquelineking5783]

In fairness this is not new in SW. They did it with Han and Leia's granddaughter in Legends. I think they tried to handwave it as she was going to be a queen as an adult so she couldn't just be shoved off somewhere safe.

[@rezaerfani776]

Marrok existed because they needed someone to die, like the extra crew member that goes on an OA mission in Star Trek.

[@praedonius9693]

Baylan is MVP

[@under_score3829]

13:58 Let's not forget that Dave Filoni visited the set of the Last Jedi and Rian Johnson gave him a lot of coaching on how to direct...

[@AlphaAurora]

The best part on Sabine v Shin is where Shin can force choke Sabine after getting disarmed and dropping the smoke bombs. In fact, Shin force chokes Sabine later when they meet! What a bunch of hacks the writers are.

[@nosorab3]

It's funny, because in Clone Wars a trooper slugs one of those scrawny little battle droids and it barely even twitches and he grabs his hand like "AARGH!" Turns out even the shittest droids are still made of metal and don't have brains to concuss. Filoni made both shows!

[@trolologuy02]

Personally, I like that Sabine actually showed some form of selfishness, making her feel actually human. She could’ve chosen the righteous path and been a “perfect girlboss” character, but instead they let her choose what she wants as opposed to what is right, which is to pursue Ezra, who is one of the few people she’s ever cared about. I think it makes her inevitable redemption more impactful, which makes her a better character in my eyes.

[@kevinmccabe7263]

So we're supposed to celebrate her selfishness?? For all intents and purposes Sabine KNOWS that she is killing millions of innocent human beings by helping them bring Thrown back. I refuse to respect that in a character, and it's frankly appalling that you do.

[@fishjones4618]

“I’m surprised that I found things to enjoy” shouldn’t be something said about any piece of entertainment, let alone Star Wars.

[@Eazy-ERyder]

Episode 4 was GREAT. Loved Baylan's character; he was great with Stevenson, and I loved the return of Anakin at the end. It gave us aLOT to look forward to.

[@rh906]

*Starts timer*

[@Sliider36]

you ppl are so easily pleased. the bar is so low for fools. just like chris is dumb sometimes, he's succumbed to accepting amateur writing. this episode isnt good by any measure. same braindead writing. more pure, unfiltered cringe trash. keep clapping like a seal tho.

[@shaundaly1134]

The Marok thing is Ryan Johnson teaching Dave Filoni to "subvert expectations".

[@vadandrumist1670]

So about this new galaxy Thrawn's at, what's the worst way they could handle it? I'm thinking they point out that it is the closesr galaxy to their own, and the planet they go to is Earth in the modern day. That way they could ruin even the "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away"

[@nautdead3197]

Somehow they'll do something even worse than that

[@pantherapardus1398]

On the question of the Force not being utilised in lightsaber duels, I found this comment on Reddit (I know, I know) and it is pretty much my own headcanon put into words: Vivec_lore · 6 yr. ago · edited 6 yr. ago I believe the idea is that Force-users can protect themselves against Force-based attacks, only becoming vulnerable towards them when a Jedi or Sith's concentration is broken, when caught off guard, or when their opponent is exponentially more powerful in the Force. Seeing as how there's a spiritual connection between a Force-user and the Kyber crystal within their lightsaber, I'd imagine that this Force protection would extend to the lightsaber as well.

[@lonewolf9578]

The show is definitely getting better as it goes on imo, interested to see where it goes Kind of disappointed with Marrok just being another cool looking jobber, but Huyang throwing hands was pretty cool

[@firstlast9846]

4 episodes in - halfway through - and still haven’t been given a reason to care about these characters tho

[@lonewolf9578]

@@firstlast9846 watch Rebels then first

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

​​@@firstlast9846they seem to be relying on the audience coming into the show already caring about the characters from TCW and Rebels but the show on its own terms is not giving me any reason to care about Ahsoka, Sabine or Hera. They're just so dull in this.

[@justlivin2499]

Kinda glad Marrok was just a nobody, if he was Starkiller that would have been heresy, if he was Ezra that would’ve made no sense

[@lonewolf9578]

@@justlivin2499 even then I wish there was more to him than just the typical “cool looking Star Wars villain who gets killed off with no effort” Because aside from Baylon none of the antagonists really interest me all that much. There’s potential as it goes on, but right now it’s Baylon who is actually interesting

[@IamDeathIncarnate1337]

all those starfighters, with blasters, and torpedos, and WEAPONS ... "we'll block them in" *facedesk*

[@pizazz57]

why are the lightsaber battles so slow paced....its like we regressed. The strikes are slow, the movements are slow. Its boring. Slow strike and a block,...then stare at each other or talk. Slow movement, with slow strike number 2 blocked with more staring...repeat.

[@fffx2]

Reminder, the films establish that throwing people around requires a big power gap between caster and target. And only Masters have actually done it (Dooku rag dolls kenobi)