Critiquing Dr William Lane Craig on the Qur'an with Dr Osman Latiff

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*Timestamps:* (to be contd...) 00:00 - Introduction 00:15 - Background of Dr. Osman Latif 00:54 - Dr. Craig's Criticism of Islam 01:34 - Background of the Book 03:07 - Difference between Christianity & Islam 05:19 - Responding to the Christian claims 06:14 - Different Beliefs in Christianity 09:10 - Various forms of Salvation in Christianity 12:47 - Concept of Sin & Salvation in Islam 16:05 - The Adamic Conundrum 20:13 - God's Love in Christianity vs Islam 25:22 - Response to the Christian claim of Trinity in the Qur'an 28:08 - Conversation b/w Allah ﷻ & Jesus pbuh 30:13 - Mary's status: Catholics vs Protestants 32:20 - Mary in the Qur'an 33:27 - Islamic Salvation not comprising the Holiness of God 36:32 - Previous nations not following God's Scriptures 38:48 - God not being unconditionally loving in Christianity 40:06 - Issues with God being unconditionally loving 40:41 - Faith, Deeds & God's Mercy in Islam 43:52 - God despising Sinners 44:17 - God's nature in Islam vs Christianity 45:08 - Conditions for God's Love in Christianity 45:55 - Missionaries misrepresenting Islam & Judaism

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@@BloggingTheology Contd... 47:23 - Nature of Humans: Good vs Bad 49:35 - Same teachings of the Prophets 50:15 - Christians' view of Islam throughout the History 53:31 - Meaning of "Love your Enemy" as shown by Muhammad ﷺ 54:59 - God's wrath in the Bible 56:14 - Closing Remarks

[@alib7489]

Alhamdulillah. Dr Osman is a brilliant choice for a guest Paul. A brilliant mind. Keep up the good work Paul. Much love.

[@aducaale328]

Great discussion 👍 may Allah reward you both. Thank you brother Paul 🙏 💙

[@BloggingTheology]

You are very welcome

[@YusufPonders]

Alhamdulillah, great conversation. May Allah bless you both.

[@sammu]

I love both you brothers for the sake of Allah. I was first introduced to brother Osman through a Sapience Institute livestream two ramadans ago where he was talking about the concept of love that Allah possesses towards his creations and Hamza Tzortzis was moved to tears. This was also a very meaningful talk and beneficial.

[@mindfulart2640]

Salam, if you don't mind, could you share the title of the lecture with me, please ?

[@mohdhafidz6268]

this is one of the discussions that really open my mind and I've learned alot of things from this, the discussion that I can relate even as a muslim, that showed me that there's light of God mercy at the end of the dark tunnel that we called life and I can see a ray of hope and forgiveness, may Allah give his mercy and forgiveness to all of us, Amen.

[@sherifel-hadi3439]

Thank you Paul for introducing us to these very interesting academics that we would have not known otherwise. There are many Muslim scholars that I never imagined could exist just a couple of years ago.

[@BloggingTheology]

Alhamdulillah

[@mindfulart2640]

Masha Allah brother Paul, as a fellow humble seeker of knowledge, i cannot thank you enough for this exquisite channel, its beneficial content and the highly-esteemed guests you invite to discuss primordial matters related to the islamic faith with. May Allah reward you through His Infinite Grace and Mercy with Al Firdaws in the Hereafter and wisdom, piety, good health, abundance and inner-peace in this dunya. Ameen

[@BloggingTheology]

Alhamdulillah

[@arthurmair8901]

Islam apologetics is where Christian apologetics were about 50 years ago. Unsophisticated, unconvincing, and frankly, boring to listen to it for an intelligent audience

[@AA-wh2cr]

@@arthurmair8901 The fact that you felt the need to come to random comment and type this demonstrates your insecurity.

[@azch6424]

Assalam Alaykum and big thanks to brothers Osman and Paul for splendid production ma-shaa-allah. We pray that William Lane Craig reads up more about Islam and sees the light insha'Allah.

[@22julip]

dr Craig has studied Islam that was his second Degree I believe , he has always been respectful of Islam and the Curran . He has stated that it is one of the three great monotheistic religions. They believe in the same God , where he differs is that Muhammad didn’t believe Jesus was the third person of the trilogy. Is other point is Islam Muhammad does not love those who do not love him, and so on , as Jesus loves the sinners and the saints . That’s what I think is part of his opinion , You and Dr Craig know much more than I do . But I’ve never heard him say anything disparaging about Islam. If Jesus rose from the dead than Christianity is true . Is what I believe . ✝️☮️

[@salman13]

The lord's prayer mentions "forgive us our trespasses". This is what Jesus himself preached. Not really about sacrifice and a brutal alleged murder to absolve sins.

[@rashidaquil5284]

Christians do not know

[@irfanahmed6411]

Dear brother Paul Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love

[@DHAQANMAAL]

Wonderful discussion thank you both Dr. Osman and Dr. William

[@logicalreasoning1088]

Very engaging discussion. Very intelligent guest, keep up the great work.

[@Moussa430]

Wonderful as usual ,both guest and host are brillant

[@blade4048]

Great discussion 👍

[@hassanmirza2392]

William Craig should explain, why would Christianity partially collapse in the last three centuries? Surely it has to do with strange ideas of Trinity, Original Sin and Vicarious Atonement.

[@eveningdoubt5981]

Christianity collapsing? It is growing as never before. You should instead check the avalanche of apostasy in islam.

[@hassanmirza2392]

@@eveningdoubt5981 LOL. You must be a David Wood fanboy.

[@TheFatMan]

@@eveningdoubt5981 Even Christians admit Christianity is dead

[@eveningdoubt5981]

@@hassanmirza2392 Why not answer what I said instead of acting like a child?

[@bruckbedru8178]

@@eveningdoubt5981 Nope, islam actually has a positive population growth-rate while christianity are forcasted to postulate a negative growth rate in the next 10 yrs or so.

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جزاكم الله خيرا.

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Great discussion, a wonderful guest and an amazing presenter

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Mashallah Alhamdhulillah may Allah bless you

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Amazing Host Amazing guest

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Wa alaikumus salaam wa rahmatullaah. Mr Paul and your Guest - Jaxakumullaahu khairan.

[@feezalhussain1977]

👍 great explanation..may allah swt forgives our sins..aamiin

[@thecasualmuslim]

assalamu alaykum, i love your content, any advice to new islamic youtubers?

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JazakAllahu khairan

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Powerful presentation

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Thanks much, very good!

[@clearskybluewaters]

Allah expect us to be *better* not perfect.

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Mashallah

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Can someone kindly add timestamps to this video?

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[@nadermusa4562]

46:28,39:3"We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah". Catholics today claim that they do not worship Mary but simply ask her for intercession with the supreme God, as stated in the verse. This confirms yet again man's tendency to deviate from the path of pure monotheism 12:106"And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others (with Him)". But assuming Mary isnt given authority in the divine realm besides mere asking for mercy on behalf of those that "venerate" her, by what "non-intrinsic" powers does Mary grant "protection" to the faithful who, through "special devotion" fly to her in "all their dangers and needs"? That is from Pope John Paul's catechism, not from some ill informed critic of Catholicism. Further, by what "non-intrinsic" powers does she "exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ"? Can Christ even refuse any of her requests? How does Mary represent "the most direct road for uniting all mankind in Christ" (Pope Pius X) if she has no independent power in the process of salvation? That is why when pressed, no Catholic can deny Mary's intrinsic power to get him closer to salvation through Jesus. As Pope Leo 13th declared, none can go to the Father except through the Son and similarly none can go to the Son except through Mary. That is also why the canonized "doctor of the church", Alfonsus de Liguori held that "Mary rules over the kingdom of mercy and Jesus rules over the kingdom of justice". She is further described as a "canal" favouring the supreme triune god's answer to prayers. Nor can a Catholic earn Jesus' salvation without ever "venerating" Mary due to her "close and indissoluble tie" with the divine son (Lumen Gentium 53). In fact prior to the VaticanII council in the 1960s, non-Catholic Christians werent guaranteed salvation. Her own power, through the devotee's calls to her, is a means of earning protection and grace. As Ephraim the Syrian states "after the mediater a mediatrix for the whole world" and "dispensatrix of heavenly graces"(Pope Pius IX). Whether one refers to those calls to Mary's mediation and dispensing of graces; Marian devotions, venerations or rituals, it is all sophistry aimed at justifying plain worship. Whether one label is used for prayers to the godhead/latreouo, another for "veneration" to the saints/douleo and another yet to Marian devotions/hyperdouleo, it is difficult to see such devices as little more than attempts to get away with praying to interceding entities in the hope of them bringing one closer to the ultimate source of salvation. Further, even within the NT, the word douleo entails lowly servitude, slavery Rom8,Gal4. This implies an intense mindframe, and in the context of prayers, or "venerations" as is done to Mary, the lines can easily be blurred between prayer to God and prayers of intercession to God. What is even more telling is that, had the icons of Mary or the saints solely been representations, that the devotee does not direct his rituals to the icon itself, that his mind is not focused on the image during prayers but what it represents, can a particular saintly personality be represented by a the drawing or statue of a spider, worm or a even a plate of lentils soup? No Catholic will accept the proposition. In fact so interwoven prayers and the image itself are, that as early as the 7th century a council was brought together and decreed that Jesus should be represented in human form rather than as a lamb. Catholics will often delude themselves when criticized, by comparing the veneration of icons to the respect or attachement displayed to a dear object, or pictures of loved ones. However one neither prays to those objects or those they represent, nor expects something from them in return, as Catholics expect from Mary and from God. Catholics are at pains in trying to keep their excessive Marian dogmas and doctrines subtle in the face of criticisms, mainly from their own Christian brethren. That is why those descriptions, and many others coined by successive saints and popes, blatantly giving Mary a shared role with the other entities of the Trinitarian godhead in the salvation process, were controversial among Catholics themselves who sought toning them down. This verse 5:116 has perplexed Christians throughout the ages, firstly because of their heedlesness in transgression, and second because of the gloomy picture it presents. It is a very powerful passage in the sense that those who raised Jesus to the status of divinity and put all hopes of salvation in him will see him being interrogated, humbling himself, then cleared of any responsibility, for the deviations of those claiming to follow him. Like all those who attributed divinity to entities besides God, those claiming to be Jesus' followers will find themselves in a hopeless situation where they will have to answer for their own claims, beliefs, conjecture and deeds. Since he acted as God's messenger, then what his followers did in his name should be justifiable from his teachings, among them, the worship of both himself and his mother Mary. It is interesting that, just as his word in defence of his mother's chastity constituted the best testimony of the truth in this world, so to in the hereafter, he will speak on her behalf to clear her as well as himself from any possible guilt as to the people's worshipping his mother. Jesus did not order it, nor hint to it, neither for himself nor for his blessed mother. Jesus was nothing but a faithful and exemplary servant and prophet of God 43:59, in accordance with the glad tidings of eminence given to his mother before he was born 3:45"When the angels said: O Mariam! Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Massih, Isa son of Mariam, honoured in this world and the hereafter, and he is among those brought near". Finally, and more damning to Catholics and Trinitarians in general is that, from a Quranic perspective, any type of worship that compromises the concept of tawhid/oneness, uniqueness of Allah, is equal to not worshipping Allah at all, even if the worshiper actually adresses Allah in his prayers. Sincerity and exclusivity in worship to Allah is a pervasive theme throughout the Quran 4:145-6,7:29,39:2-15,98:5. In sura kafirun the Arabs are told that they are no worshipers of Allah, despite them knowing and recognizing Him as the supreme Creator.

[@A.--.]

Brother: regarding your reference to Prophet saying all men are sinners I don't think he was implying all are BORN with sin but rather after puberty all men will eventually commit major or minor sin. I think that is what you meant correct?

[@spawnnpwn4166]

Yes

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@@spawnnpwn4166 Jazakallah Khair

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mashallah

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❤️❤️❤️

[@HussainFahmy]

💯👍

[@nasserm.nasser5087]

There has never been a period in history where millions of Christians abandoned christianity in a short time like in the last few decades. But insteaf of trying to clear their house first, missionaries try to convert muslims. Soon the new converts realise that the modern christianity is idolatry and leave the faith

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[@HHasan-of2vi]

William Lane Craig mistakenly said Islam actually it was Christianity.

[@jafferkhan7554]

The core beliefs of the Christians is the trinity. And salvation is in believing in the trinity. So what happens to the people before ie moses and noah and Abraham. What happens to their people.

[@samkb6374]

Core believe of the Trinitarian Christians not the unitarians Christians.

[@jafferkhan7554]

@@samkb6374 hello. What is the belief of unitarian Christians. Do they believe jesus was the son of God and do they believe in the crucifixion. Thanks

[@paulanchor867]

Christians can see through this "mercy" of Allah who tells his followers to go on the offensive against non-Muslims and take whatever belonged to them and make them chattel slaves. A non-Muslim, especially an apostate, is a criminal by default and is treated as such by Sharia law. A Muslim enjoys the "mercy" of Allah as long as he doesn't take or use the property of a fellow Muslim unlawfully and keeps all he has under the control of Sharia.

[@InterestedInDansk]

22:00 *Salvation and a loving God* Salvation is not possible from any human merit. Human life is short but God the Father remenbers us from other lives when we are in the womb, and He sets a tariff that should we accept that tariff it will ensure that we become *Perfect* despite our failings in previous lives. God the Son knows this about us when He Judges us (Niether Jesus nor God the Father can take part in Judgement as it exclusively a non-trinitarian event, hence it is written *All judgement is given to the Son, who is the Word of God* There is also the truth that a person cannot depend upon being given the gift of another life, for example those wicked people who murdered the Jews and committed atrocities in Russia in the middle of the last century upon death hoped to get through the *narrow door* but Christ and the victims of their sin would not allow them to enter and so they *had no choice but to appear before the Spirit of Truth in judgement* and witness His furious wrath. Reincarnation is for those who were deprived of their lives against the Will of God and against the tariff that He set in their mother's wombs. When you contemplate this you can begin to understand what *Justice* really is and that in all thing's God is Righteous. Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, this title explains perfectly that His presence as a human being is nourishing to humanity. Jesus is not the person who judges us it is The Spirit of Truth who died with Him on the Cross, and iilt is the Spirit of Truth that Christians respond in the sacrament of the altar during the *elevation* when the priest says *This is my body* God is Spirit just as our Amen is spirit. Yet Jesus when we see him, we see the Glory of God within Him, the is the Beatific Vision and a privelidge of meeting Jesus in God the Father. This is a Trinitarian event because God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are Present in Jesus Christ.

[@shaky..]

You're talking about the bible but you're title says Quran.

[@samkb6374]

They use passages from the bible against william lane graig who criticize Allah swt. Please make sure you understand why they mention the Bible.

[@cogthusiast1150]

I don't mean this in any polemical or offensive way but Christian theology is characterised with clear contradictions and complete confusion.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@charlievaughan1308 not at all actually. Islam is the only logical religion out there.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@charlievaughan1308 the atom has already been split and that's irrelevant anyway.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@charlievaughan1308 again you're work as a mental health nurse has no bearing on your arguments. In fact you are just a nurse, not a doctor, to go around diagnosing mental health issues. Einstein's expertise were certainty not theology or metaphysics. But he has enough sense in him to realise this world didn't just appear on its own from nothing. I will state it again, Islam is the only logical religion at its basis.

[@kevinclement1533]

Tbh as a Christian, I think that Islamic theology is one filled with clear contradictions and complete confusion. But I guess it is normal for us to think that way, since you have a deeply rooted belief in Islam while I have a deeply rooted belief in Christianity.

[@cogthusiast1150]

@@kevinclement1533 that's factually not true. I Christianity and Islam are night and day theologically speaking.

[@arifasultana444]

Sorry proper Issa did not came to pay for the cost of ur people but he was a sign for humanity that God can do what he wants ..that was a Miraculous of God.u cannot say him the son of god ..that was His creation ..so we can say that prophet Issa was a messanger of God only came at that age of people to edgucate about the God n His qualities.. it’s only a people of that time made him the son of God in literacy….sorry to say that this is a truth by Quraan told to last prophet Mohammad (pBUH) in Quran ..n that is a truth ..

[@karimb972]

So God punishes himself for the sins of men but he created men sinful by nature. Why would anyone believe something so outlandish ? So Jesus is not God : God punishes His son for the sins of men; men that are sinful by nature. Just as irrational and scandalously immoral.

[@maroonda8891]

mirza ghulam ahmad is the imam mahdi and masih

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

An always existing universe is possible, as another theory, It does not need a start. It does not need a God. It is much more complicated to assume existence of a God, than a universe that always was. Gods are projections of human intention and agency on natural phenomena in the pre-scientific era. of humankind.

[@bilalwaslam906r4]

Lol clutching at straws you are. The implications of an ever expanding universe with finite usable energy and ever increasing entropy are obvious to everyone. You people holding on for dear life coming up with hypothetical theories for how the universe can have an infinite past is hilarious

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

@@bilalwaslam906r4 The universe as a natural phenomenon is complicated as it is. Introducing God/gods supernatural beings beyond space and time is even more confusing..

[@bilalwaslam906r4]

@@petrospetroupetrou9653 Didn't talk about God in message. Plenty of reasonable reasons beyond the explanation of natural phenomena for believing in God. What I said was that unless you are actively trying to get away from having to consider God, there is no way a reasonable human being interprets what we know about the universe and gets to "universe always existed", it is a sign of an absurd amount of bias

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

@@bilalwaslam906r4 God/gods are projections of human cognition in the pre-scientific era, circa the Neolithic period,. Projections of intention and agency to explain natural phenomena. . This gave rise to organized religion. This was used to maintain societal control and cohesion. Religions were established when people lived in fear, no education.

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

@@bilalwaslam906r4 Gods human projection of intention and agency circa the Neolithic period. Long story. Humans thought beings cause things in nature.

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

An infinitely existing God is not only impossible but non-sensical. A God appearing suddenly from nothing is also impossible. Why bring a God into the equation of existence. A historian cannot debate a renowned philosopher.

[@SAM_KBI]

Who told you God appeared suddenly out of nothing..? Who..? Bro, educate yourself before you throw with straw mans..

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

@@SAM_KBI Either God suddenly appeared (from where? why?).....OR God as being UNCREATED has always existed ....which is IMPOSSIBLE. Using God to explain existence and creation is even more complicated.

[@samkb6374]

@@petrospetroupetrou9653 Good luck with your infinite regress..👍

[@derekallen4568]

All gods are made up by man. How can people be so superstitious in this day and age?

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

@@SAM_KBI So where did God come from. You speak about Allah (Hubal, Seen, Baal) because the name is mentioned in a book....how serious is that. Anyway, your mighty book says that Allah was "The best of all creators"...so there were other creators? How stupid.

[@teachmetheway7081]

Amazing that two grown men among others, so knowledgeable could lack understanding. Saying that humans were made by Allah imperfect is an indictment against your religions God. yet i am sure there is a contradictory verse in the quran that says allah makes things perfect...or probably not! Oops spoke too soon quran 32:7 "Who has perfected everything He created. And He originated the creation of humankind from clay."

[@Ashleii]

What bit are you talking about where they say imperfect

[@teachmetheway7081]

@@Ashleii His sin bit starts around the 13:04 mark but the specific starts 13:25

[@teachmetheway7081]

@Shazology the greater part of your response goes against the clear words of the quran.

[@Ashleii]

Im not sure how this relates to be honest. Perhaps your just trying to hard to find fault. It’s just a matter of language . The speaker chose the word perfectly then clarified it by saying “ Demi gods” Ie our expectations of perfection in worship and character I think it’s just the way the guy is describing it. And he clarifies it. We are created perfectly for the purpose we have been created for. The Quran is clear about that.

[@SAM_KBI]

Q32:7 is about the form of the creation not the about the ability not to sin or regarding all knowlegde. This also what ibn Kathir says. God created everything perfect for it's purpose. The purpose to test mandkind. Nice try but just as manny others, you failed to critique the Quran.

[@johnpolin8030]

Blogging theology good choice not inviting Dr Craig to talk with you guys because you got STOMPED and EXPOSED by Dr Craig last time . And it was only a discussion, not even close to a debate

[@SAM_KBI]

I have watched the video on Blogging Theology with dr Graig and there was nowhere a "YoU gOt StOmPeD". You're exaggerating. Both Paul and dr Graig pushed a little back. You're clearly didn't watch a lot of debats if else you wouldn't say this. Dr Graig is a brilliant philosopher espacially against atheist but ow boy when it comes to his opproach of the Quran, he is wayy off..

[@Ashleii]

It was a respectful academic discussion. There was challenge to some of Craig’s theories which came from other philosophical theories! There was no stomping. It’s not tabloid trash .

[@truthmatter9972]

Sure, William Craig can come and tell us all the myths of Christianity such as Man-God , Jesus the circumcised Jew is God , God is trinity like Mithra , God is not Just and vampire needs blood to forgive and all other non-sense that pushed western countries to atheism.

[@jucyboi]

There's a scammer that keeps spamming messages on all muslim channels yours included. He is here in your comments section (as per usual). This is their account name "Palestine 🇵🇸(٠٠٩٧٠٥٩٨٤٨٢٧٠٩)". He's a user located in India using a fake area code rerouter to make it look like he's from other countries. He has multiple accounts and does this daily. Beware.

[@BloggingTheology]

Thanks

[@hamidalsharif]

@@BloggingTheology Assalamu Alaikum, please bring in Hamza Yusuf. Jazakallahu khairan