What Western scholarship is saying about the Qur'an with Dr Hythem Sidky

Dr Sidky is the new Executive Director of the International Qur’anic Studies Association. Visit their website here: iqsaweb.org/ Dr Sidky combines expertise in the sciences with a specialization in Qurʾānic manuscripts and reading traditions. He holds an M.S. in applied mathematics and Ph.D. in biomolecular engineering from the University of Notre Dame. Hythem’s dual background allows him to bring together traditional philology and mathematical analysis to study the dynamics and evolution of the Qurʾān in early Islam. He has worked on the stemmatics of Qurʾānic manuscripts, reconstruction of regional oral traditions, and continues to investigate applications of stylometry to the Qurʾān.
0:00 Intro
0:15 Who is Dr. Sidky?
3:03 How many Quran manuscripts have been produced in the first century after the passing of the Prophet PBUH?
5:06 Number of manuscripts after the first century of the disappearance of Jesus peace be upon him
5:50 How do we know these Quranic manuscripts have came into existence within the first 100 years of Islam?
7:30 How can we be sure that radiocarbon dating is accurate?
11:44 How did the early Quran manuscripts look like?
13:04 Recommendation from Blogging Theology
13:36 did the early Quranic Manuscripts contain major differences?
16:21 Are there any hereditary scribal errors in the early Quranic manuscripts?
20:59 Clarity on the Qiraat
31:04 are these Quranic variants hidden from the public?
35:50 Note on a Yaqeen Institute statement regarding Quranic manuscripts
38:14 Quran was transmitted ORALLY and through manuscripts
40:40 Clarification on Uthman (R.A)
48:51 What are Sana Palimpsest manuscripts?
54:01 clarification on the order of the Suras of the Quran (chapters of Quran)
56:54 does the Sana Palimpsest contain all of the Quran?
59:44 moronic conspiracy theory by anti-Islamic preachers regarding PhD students of the Quran in the west
1:02:23 Book recommendations
1:07:42 CONCLUSION

[@ahmedhossam5398]

TIMESTAMPS: (1) Who is Dr Sidky? 0:15 (2) First Question 1:26 (3) How many Quran manuscripts have been produced in the first century after the passing of the Prophet peace be upon him? 3:03 (4) Number of manuscripts after the first century of the disappearance of Jesus peace be upon him 5:06 (5) How do we know these Quranic manuscripts have came into existence within the first 100 years of Islam? 5:50 (6) How can we be sure that radio carbon dating is accurate? 7:30 (7) How did the early Quran manuscripts look like? 11:44 (8) Recommendation from Blogging Theology 13:04 (9) did the early Quranic Manuscripts contain major differences? 13:36 (10) Are there any hereditary scribal errors in the early Quranic manuscripts? 16:21 (11) Clarity on the Qiraat 20:59 (12) are these Quranic variants hidden from the public? 31:04 (13) Note on a Yaqeen Institute statement regarding Quranic manuscripts 35:50 (14) Quran was transmitted ORALLY and through manuscripts 38:14 (15) Clarification on Uthamn (R.A) 40:40 (16) What is Sana Palimpsest manuscripts? 48:51 (17) Clarification on the order of the Suras of the Quran (chapters of Quran) 54:01 (18) does the sana Palimpsest contain all of the Quran? 56:54 (19) moronic conspiracy theory by anti Islamic preachers regarding PHD students of the Quran in the west 59:44 (20) Book recommendations 1:02:23 (21) CONCLUSION 1:07:42

[@BloggingTheology]

@Martin Ramsbottom We have 100% of the Quran from that time. Watch the video for details.

[@tofaanshinwari6431]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5fPnZqKdpejo7s✂

[@excelsior31107]

What is the most obvious about the Quran is that it is from human intervention as a result of changes from time to time. The Hafs version of the Quran which is widely used by the Muslims in the world today was only issued in 1924 in Cairo which was sponsored by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia just after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in Turkey. The most important of the texual sources of Islamic beliefs is the Quran and second is the Hadith a collection of words and deeds of Muhammad and the third is the biography of Muhammad called the Sira. What the Hadiths tell us about the formation and compilation of the Quran is highly inconvenient. If Muslims pick up a copy of a Quran from any home around the world i doubt they will even find a difference between them.

[@Totajee79]

Excellent. Thank you brother.

[@letmetalk2240]

@@excelsior31107 >>>The Hafs version of the Quran which is widely used by the Muslims in the world today was only issued in 1924 in Cairo --------------- Those Quran were the PRINTED version.

[@joshburgess1495]

I am minoring in Islamic Studies because of this channel haha thank you for making this channel and educating people

[@Monothiest247]

Brother Josh. I hope it leads you to the right path and light 💡 of Islam. God willing.

[@ryuukakhadijah7766]

God bless you!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Yes... this channel is also helping me to understand Islam. About 8 months ago, I knew nothing about Islam. I'm learning slowly. Peace of God to all

[@mohyaldin6492]

Which university are you learning at? Because I don't want you to waste your time learning wrong information.

[@joshburgess1495]

@@mohyaldin6492 I am at a university in California. The professors of the Islamic classes are religious Muslims (Sunni) and they teach normative Islamic beliefs and the progression of Islamic Thought from the beginning to 1258 (in one class) and then continued from 1258 to the modern period. The professors are very passionate.

[@usmanusm5584]

Dr Sidky is a very eloquent and clear speaker. Great answers from him. His point about scribal errors not being hereditary is a very important point: it means that the errors of one scribe were not copied forward by another scribe. Thus, scribal mistakes were restricted to manuscripts. This is unlike the NT, where one scribe copied the mistakes (not in toto, of course) of another scribe. And on and on. What does this mean? It means that Quranic mss were not just copied from other mss in a vaccum. There was a parallel oral transmission which kept a check on the written transmission and restricted written variations.

[@BloggingTheology]

Great points Usman. Many thanks.

[@thebelieverbangla4353]

@@BloggingTheology -The Prophet (pbuh) warned Muslims that "anyone who kills a non-Muslim citizen will not smell the fragrance of paradise" (Nasai). This indicates his high regard for Christians and Jews whom the Quran entitled “Ahlul-Kitab” (People of the Book) repeatedly and in clear words. This is precisely why the Prophet (pbuh) strongly admonished his followers about the mistreatment with them: He said, "He who wrongs a Jew or a Christian will have myself as his accuser on the Day of Judgment" (Bukhari). Speaking generally about all non-Muslims living in an Islamic country, the Prophet said: "He who hurts a Dhimmi (non-Muslim citizen of an Islamic state) hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys Allah." (Reported by Imam Tabrani) The Prophet also declared: "Whoever hurts a non-Muslim, I am his adversary, and I shall be an adversary to him on the Day of Rising." (Reported by Al Khateeb) Another Hadith report quotes the Prophet (pbuh) as having said, "On the Day of Resurrection I shall dispute with anyone who oppresses a person from among the non-Muslims, or infringes on his right, or puts a responsibility on him which is beyond his capacity or takes something from him against his will." (Reported by Abu Dawood) Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was very much concerned about the protection of the rights of Jews and Christians, as well as other Ahl al-Zimmah (non-Muslim citizens of Islamic state) and religious minorities of the state that he established. A substantial and irrefutable proof of this is that during his lifetime in Arabia, Christians were protected even against foreign invading enemies. The Prophet (pbuh) particularly stressed that religious institutions of other communities should not be harmed. Monasteries, churches and synagogues must be respected, because the Quran itself respects them as the places of worship for the People of the Book, protected by God (Al-Hajj 22: 40). In accordance with this divine commandment, the Prophet (pbuh) concerned himself with the protection of the holy places of the Ahlul-Kitab (People of the Book). Once, a delegation from St. Catherine’s Monastery came to the Prophet (pbuh), requesting his protection. He granted them a charter of rights, which went down well in the Islamic history as the first written document for the protection of minority human rights and respect for their faiths. Here is the letter addressed by the Prophet (pbuh) to the religious leaders of Saint Catherine’s monastery on Mount Sinai who had sought the protection of the Muslims: "This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who follow Christianity, near and far, we are with them (We stand by them). Verily I, the servants of God, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil Allah’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval.(Marring a non-muslim is forbidden in Islam)) She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. None of Muslims is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day." -From several ancient and modern rolls preserved in the monastery's library, it has been authenticated that the Covenant of the Prophet (pbuh) played great role in the protection of special privileges for the monks... The monastery was under the protection of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) himself and later under the Arab and Turkish leaders and Napoleon... This is precisely why it remains safe and intact even today. The historical Fatimid mosque built next to the Orthodox Church is still serving a glaring example of religious co-existence. The Sinai holy sites, which have also been mentioned in the Qur’an, are of paramount historical importance and authenticity... According to the historical records preserved at Sinai, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) not only knew but also visited the Sinai priests.. It is recorded that when the delegation from Sinai requested a letter of protection from the Prophet (pbuh) in 626 AD, he granted and authorized the covenant by placing his hand upon it.. According to numerous sources, the Turkish Sultan Saleem I (in AD 1517) took the original letter of protection for safekeeping to the royal treasury in Constantinople.. However, he confirmed the monastery’s prerogatives and granted certified copies of this document to the monastery, each depicting the hand print of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) in token of his having touched the original... This historical document of the Islam’s message of religious tolerance is still preserved in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul..The original document in Arabic can still be seen.. One of the websites working under the project of UNESCO (the United Nations’ Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) states: “The Letter of Protection is known as the Ahtiname, from the Arabic words ahd, which means “obligation,” and name, which means “document, testament.” The document has been instrumental in the protection of the monastery, and as a means of ensuring peaceful and cooperative relations between Christians and Muslims. . The continuous existence of the monastery during fourteen centuries of Islamic rule is a sign of the respect given to this Letter of Protection, and the principles of peace and cooperation that it is in Istanbul.So imagine.The christians are associating Jesus with Allah(the only God) sometimes by thinking that Jesus is God or the son of God.But Still Allah is kind upon them.So that they can come to the only right path(Islam).They should be ashamed that Allah is showing them kindness but they are associating Jesus with Allah.And the Hindus are praying infront of an idol.Shame!!And other religious are also associating someone with Allah.

[@kingofjudah6875]

And the result of that is: A)Uthman burning Qurans. B) hadiths claiming that some quranic verses were lost in battles and some of the companions had also forgotten some verses. C) till today, 37 Arabic Qurans with different meanings. If you say that the different Arabic qurans are the same and have no differences in MEANING then I can show you and prove you wrong.

[@farohszn9733]

@@kingofjudah6875 1. Uthman burned all Qurans that were not the same as original to maintain unity 2. Many companions forget verses because they are human. That is why there are tens of Hafiz who knew the whole thing to correct those who forget 3. There is one Quran in arabic, translations of meanings may be different because English is a different language than arabic.

[@andrewbatho9962]

@@kingofjudah6875this is the problem with u guys .getting some information from anti Islamic websites and putting forward those imbecile arguments to prove ur self right which is completely absurd .when will u guys learn .A large number of missionaries and self studies critics like u have been quoting Ismail tradition,or reports hadiths ,which support their claim stating the quaran was not written at the time of its revelation.this is a foolish claim and doesn’t make any sense .Reason the Quaran it self contains many passages which refer to it’s written form.three appear to be four chapters (Surah) of the Quran which refer to the Quaran’s written form explicitly. By no means !indeed it is a message of instruction therefore,whoever wills ,should remember on leaves held in honor exalted,purified in the hands of scribes noble and pious . Surah’ 80:11-16 Here we have references to those scribes who wrote the Quaran on leaves. Minister Abdullah Yusuf Ali his commentary wrote that at the time of the of the revelation of this Surah forty -two or forty five others Surahs had been written and kept by Muslims in Makkah (out of the total Surah 114 chapters ) May this is the glorious quaran ,on a tablet preserved.surah 85:21-22 Above verse is the ultimate proof on the written preservation of it even before the migration of the holy prophet. This is a glorious reading ,In a book well -kept ,Which none but the purified teach this is a revelation from the Lord o the worlds “ Surah 56:77-80 They said : tales of the ancient which he had caused to be written and they are dictated to him morning and evening.22:5 Evidence from Hadith Besides the above verses which refer to the Quaran written form ,there are a also number of hadiths which agree with the above versus : We used to complete the Quaran from small scraps in the presence of the messenger.(Hakim ,Mustadarak) The above Hadith also tells us that the prophet Muhammad was not unaware of the condition of the Quaran with his companions and that he used to guide them while compiling it .Also it tells us that Quaran also used to be compiled for the prophet Muhammad (pbuh),meaning that he had personal copy . Malik said that no one should carry the Mushaf by its strap ,not on a pillow ,unless he is clean ...(Mu’atta,Kitab Al -Nida’Li’L-Salam) So it’s cleared from these hadiths that the Quaran was available in a book form at the time of the prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) so ur stupid arguments are still dispelled.this is what will happen to people who trying to attempt to berate Islam through anti Islamic websites .feel pity on u . Narrated Qatadah:I asked Anas Ibnu Malik : who collected the Quaran at the time of the prophet ?He replied Four ,all of whom were from Ansar :Ubay Ibn Ka’ab,Mu’adh Ibn Jabal,Zayd Ibn Thabit and Abu zayd .(Bukhari ,Kitab Fada ‘ilu’l-Quaran) It is very clear it was available in a book form at the time of the prophet with those undeniable evidence. The Oral transmission of the Quaran Even until today ,many people around the world completely memorized the Quaran by heart .these people are known as Hafizun, which mean protectors of the Quaran .The real protector is Allah ,lord of all being , why they’re called protectors ,even the book format is lost ,we can easily restore yet by them .because they have memorized it by heart . Prophet had thousands of companion who completely memorized the Quaran. The first man to speak the Quaran loudly after the prophet Abdullah bin Masud .and its pass down to others . Abubakr recited the Publicity in front of his house (Sira Ibn Hisham) Coming back to ur stupidity,Abu Baker was very close friend of prophet.he was also successor not in prophethood ,he became the commander of Muslims .During his time a battle took place know to be battle of Yamamah .in this battle many people had memorized the Quaran were martyred.so he feared that the Quaran might not be lost ,so he ordered Zayd Ibn Thabit ,the personal scribe of the prophet to compile it .Zayd finished it successfully. It must be noted even if many companions who had memorized it were martyred,the complete Quaran in writing already existed . Following Hadith mentioned the collection of the Quaran under the caliphate of Abu Bakr Bukhari ,VI ,No .201 please check it out it’s a long one The reason why he ordered because he feared the Quaran could have been lost .thats why he ordered for a copy to be prepared . The collection under the Khalifah Uthman After Abubakr ,Kalifha Umar ruled,then Uthman was elected as a Kalifah .During this period Islam has spread to many areas .The Muslims were not Arabs ,couldn’t read the Quaran as it should have been read .they changed the meanings of the verses,and many variant readings sprung out .because the people were ignorant of Arabic .Old Arabic was written as lines ,now one can distinguish such and such alphabet easily By marks .but this was not the case those times .Thats why Caliphate Uthman immediately told a committee of scribes to write the Quaran in the dialect of the Queresh (original Arabic revelation at the time of the prophet) because that how it was revealed.When the scribes has prepared many copies from one which Abu Bakr had compiled ,each Copy was sent to each city under Muslims rule .Other copies Which Uthman were BURNED .Then from the standard copies ,more copies were made and this time there were also teachers of the people to teach them how to recite it with the original pure Qureshi pronunciation. Evidence :Bukhari VI,No.510 Reason for the burning Stupid people like u and Christian missionaries have been openly making allegations that Uthman ordered all copies of the Quaran to be burnt because of the varying content .this is not true Now suppose that there were at any time any variations in the Quaran other than those caused by scribal errors or failure of memory or due to some minor differences in script .that is ,suppose that some individuals or groups deliberately held onto a text of the Quaran that they knew was different from the one followed by others and that was country to country we find the same text of the Quaran?it is said that Uthman the third leader succeeding the prophet,ordered people to burn all the text of the Quaran which was different from certain text .but is it conceivable that people will submit to this order even if they thought Uthman’s text was not authentic text ? You guys have natural tendency to think that Muslims rulers must have always been tyrant dictators who could force the people to do anything.this is certainly not true of early leaders of Muslims ..he ordered to remain Qureshi dialect of it which we have in our hand which is the purest form of it that revealed at the time of the prophet. Go and read (Dr .Ahmad Shafaat,2000,”Journal of the Muslim research institute “Canada ) Some of the missionaries without proof proclaiming people didn’t like the act of burning .this is wrong proven by following: Zaid is reported to have “I saw companions of Muhammad saying By Allah Uthman has done well “(Nisaburi) Ibn Abi Dawud records Musab ibn Abi Waqas to have testified “ I saw the people assembled in a large number at Uthmans burning of the proscribed copies :not a one spoke against him “Ali commented “ if I were in a command in a place of Uthman I would have done the same (Zarkashi) As per above references.all companions agreed the act of burning of the copies other than the standard one .because they memorized it with the pure form from the prophet and they know how it should be pronounced. So ur imbecile claim is dispelled . Apart from this there is a mathematical coding of the Quaran which itself a miracle .experts say this could not have been come from a man due to the mathematical miracle it contains . Evidence kzbin.info/www/bejne/jairhpaqnZKtsLc And the oldest Quaran found in Birmingham kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKDagqKkmZySi6c So people like u will never ever Learn instead of criticizing just by searching anti Islamic websites 😂😂😂😂

[@overmanonfire]

Dear Brother, there are two point in want to clarify, especially that I am an Arab who studied the 7 Qiraat 1. for Muslims, the oral transmission of the Quran was more important than the written one, the written one was an aid and went through a lot of evolution as the Arabic script continued to be improved until it toke the current shape. i.e. the dots of the letters, the Vowels (Tashkeel ) and all those were added to aid the non Arabs to read the Quran. It is interesting thing to mention, when social media blocked tweets that support Palestinians during the last attack on Gaza, Arabs started writing without the dots in order to bypass the censorship on such tweets, a ordinary Arab can read not only without the Vowels (tashkeel) but without the dots on the letters as well. The oral transmission not only kept the exact words, they also dealt with the accent of Arabic Quraish ( how would An Arab from Quraish pronounce such a word). That is what is called TAJWEED, this is why, when you listen to Quran, regardless of the reader from China or Morocco they will pronounce every minute sound with accent of Quraish. Hafiz , a term giving to those who memorize the Quran, is not giving to anyone who pick up the Quran and memorize it, no, he has to be taught under another Hafiz. To be a Hafiz, you have to memorize the Quran, recite from memory to a hafiz-teacher, whom scrutinize every single letter you utter, every time you take breath while reading, when you stop and when you contenu reading. if you pass this strict test, you are giving a certificate that lists your sheikh name with the pedigree of hafizes that goes up the the prophet , and the Qera that you are good at. If you hold the Quran printed by Saudi Arabia, the Standard green Quran, if you look at the back, they won't list the manuscript they used to write the Quran, instead they will list the Hafiz pedigree whom were used to write that Quran, and pretty much in every single Quran you should find such a list. 2.Othmanic Quran dealt with more than standardizing the Arabic used to write the Quran, it actually involves more information, it tells you when you can stop, when you can not. When you should prostrate at certain Ayat, when you should elongate a world or a vowel. etc.. the Othmanic Quran was written before Arabic script used today toke it current shape, before Arabic grammar was established (and it's effect on spelling). the Quran written in Othmanic script, does not match the Arabic language standard written form. As it was written before the establishment of such rules . There were a lot of non-standard practices used only in the Othmanic Quran. The goal was to make the Quran easier to read. Before a standard set of spelling rules were standardized again, if you look at the back of the Quran if you have the standard Saudi green Quran, you will find a guide to how to read the Uthmanic script. it will tell you the practices they used to save on paper. to denotes accent while reading. And such things. so the standardization of the Quranic script was not a conspiracy to hide *differences* in Quran or better Qeraat than others. it was just a way to preserve the written manuscript as an aid to the oral tradition. Thank you.

[@kitt7477]

JazakAllah Khiran!

[@ahy7181]

Only Allah will reward you and Paul Williams for clearing some of my inner thoughts regarding this issue!

[@shamimahsan2525]

Thank you very much for your spectacular input. I think this side of the history of preservation of the Quran is mostly ignored by the western scholars. I would love to know about seven qirrat in details. Would you please suggest me relevant resources?

[@overmanonfire]

@Avner Konnig It is not Allah, it is the British Empire, in Balfour declaration. What Allah has promised them is in effect, check 3:112

[@overmanonfire]

@@shamimahsan2525 I was unable to find decent online resources in English, there are several articles in English and online lectures, however it was not as I accept them to be, since most of them by non Arabs, Just to make it simple, Qirat, Ahruf, refer to a single issue, dialects. Arabic tribe dialects that involves different word (happened 3 times in the Quran) or different pronunciation to the same word (pronunciation in here means vowels), however rarely it would result in a change of meaning, usually it is a very, very close meaning. To give you an example, the word Malik and Malek discussed in this video, in Arabic they come from the same root, for Arabic speakers it does not reflect a huge change in meaning as it would when translated to English (king vs Owner), notice that King and owner in Arabic is (Mlek, Malek). Let me know if I can be in more help to you.

[@akhbarkhanmohamad6705]

Brother Paul Williams is so respectful in his comments and very knowledgeable in his work.Thankyou my brother from Singapore.

[@sajadmetlo9031]

He is a Muslim.

[@EngagingWithIslam]

What a pleasure it was to listen to Dr Hythem Sidky. Thanks Paul.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Hamza00011]

And its always a pleasure to watch your sincere and respectful debates

[@EngagingWithIslam]

@@Hamza00011 Thank you.

[@ftst4756]

@@EngagingWithIslam You are one of the cunts who promote the view that quran have many variation which contradict each other.I guess you have learned some real knowledge from the interview, lol.

[@shamsheerg7519]

LIES TO CHILDREN---- MUSLIMS ARE CHILDREN BEING LIED TO

[@arsalannawabi6201]

I seek refuge in Allah from all the low-self's inclinations i.e. flattering. I, as a muslim wouldn't or couldn't be more sincere, polite and thoughtful whilst thinking, asking and hearing about the Qur'an. Brother Paul! You are an amazing person and I found you as an source to understand the tradition of intellectuals of the west who are really humbled by their intellectual agencies. And to Dr. Sidky_ I thank him sincerely for helping me reconnect the dots with his eloquent insights. May The Almighty Allah helps him in all his valuable endeavours and accept it from him. Keep up the good work Brother Paul! Peace!♥️

[@alalwahraniya416]

In the Maghreb, any one know, even lay people, that we read quran in warsh. Everyone also know that there are different way of reading but these do not make any difference to the specific and meaning of the message. Example: we read ahinakom (warsh) instead of a'innakom (hafs) OR youminoon (warsh) instead of you'e'minoon (hafs). Yaati ( ياتي) and ya"e'ti (يأتي) Taaweelaho ( تاويله) and ta'e"weelaho (تاويله) الذين يؤمنون vs الذين يومنون . Here, we have و without hamza Maalik and malik. Note for an arab, there is no issue between reading maalik and malik because Allah is the supreme king and everything belong to Allah.

[@mohlleal]

You notice the admin did not put like in your comments but liked comments that cheer leading his play interview . Beware of these western man when they try to be experts in Arabic with out having traditional Quranic experts to dispute their findings . And allow Beware of Paul he is just a infiltrate .

[@sahilsk5241]

The Conclusion from this video. Quran is well preserved and protected. There is no corruption at all .

[@nasserhameed3828]

Please do more research. There is alternate evidence that the Quran is NOT preserved. Further they have non Arabic words in the Quran opens up new questions

[@iamannocent2913]

@@nasserhameed3828 are you a murtad ?

[@iamannocent2913]

@@nasserhameed3828 who cares if there's alternataes "evidence" we care about what's right, there could be 100 dogs barking but we will only hear the lion

[@nasserhameed3828]

@@iamannocent2913 how do you know what's right. Did you question the claim What research did you carry out.?

[@anonymoususer8286]

@@nasserhameed3828 The Quran puts a challenge that has been going on for centuries. Find one single clear contradictory statement in The Quran and you have proven The Quran to be not preserved. Fortunately, up until today no one has found it. All of the claims made by the islamophobes are always taking verses out of context. There is no non arabic word in The Quran. However, there are non arabic names, for example Ibrahim.

[@ather319]

Intelligence of brother Paul is admirable...he asked all relevant questions to clarify all doubts... Great content as always... Guest is a genius.. Allah hu Akbar

[@tahaalsayyed]

Just like many of our brothers said in the comments مش حتقدر تغمض عينيك 😊 if you blink you'll miss out on a detail. Thank you again Paul for bringing beautiful minds to us and even bringing a beautiful audience together. I've never engaged in any public forum with this much maturity and politeness. You're accumulating a lot of goodness together that you can actually learn even from the comments ♥️

[@BloggingTheology]

❤️🙏

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

But some of the comments are not very polite or respectful. However I'm happy you feel so encouraged. I watch Blogging Theology to learn about Islam. Peace of God to you....

[@ahy7181]

Yes I learn not only from Paul but from the comment section. May God reward this Gentleman!

[@truthmatter9972]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Good for you brother. Manner is #1 in any person.

[@danielmasters5484]

Don’t forget to take into consideration that the Quran is and was a memorized book. Any written text of the Quran can be and was scrutinized by those who had memorized it and any discrepancies would be easily discovered.

[@mohammedahmad8039]

@@matthewpaulson6497 No one claimed memorization was “THE” criteria to determine which books are holy. Also No one claimed that the Quran should only be transmitted orally. The only person who made those claims was you. Obviously the content of a particular book is one criteria of determining the claim of the book being holy, and if enough people believe in that book as holy, then this book is holy for those people. It is also obvious to everyone why it was a common sense decision for the Committee that was commissioned by Othman to write down the Quran. Those are obvious common sense issues Apparently you are only correct in saying that silly people say silly things as exemplified by your own comments

[@DC-wp6oj]

@@matthewpaulson6497 Why didnt the Torah get memorised? Maybe you should put that question to the Jews. The commitment to memory of the text goes to show how seriously the early muslims took revelation to be. It was decided to commit the Quran to a text form when many ‘Hafidhs’ (those who memorised the Quran completely) died in the battles against the Byzantine and Persian empires. Yet although the text is in written form, even to this day there are several million muslims that have committed the text to memory. Such that if you destroyed every copy of the Quran you could compile it again with complete accuracy within an hour (say using 30 memorisers each dictating a 1/30 part each). The memorisation of the text has been continuous and uninterrupted from the time it was revealed. The written format is for the wider public who may or may not have memorised the text either partially or in its entirety. No other religion on the planet has taken their scriptural text and its preservation as seriously as the muslims have done. Indeed if you really believe you are given the word of God why would you not hold it in the importance it deserves?

[@shelvinrice8087]

@@matthewpaulson6497 the Torah wasn't memorised and was also subjected to change (original text) by the Jew's.....thus it wasn't preserved in its original form.....neither by memory or original text......according to a sound hadith......the community of Moses (pbuh) (the bani Israel who later began to call themselves Jew's) we're responsible for preservation of the revelation and failed.....both the Torah and the injeel (Bible) don't exist in their original form......I.e.....they've been changed (word omitting/word addition).....

[@markward3981]

السلام عليكم ورحمه الله Yes this cannot be overstated. This is the point that the orientalist/westerner misses.

[@shelvinrice8087]

Real talk......100%

[@AbdurahiimRoberts]

It's 2am here, need to sleep & watch the remaining 2/3 in the morning... Excellent content Paul!

[@BloggingTheology]

Good night!

[@rafayshakeel4812]

Good morning, mate! Did you watch the entire video?

[@AbdurahiimRoberts]

@@rafayshakeel4812 I did indeed!

[@elfenomeno5498]

He said that 100% of the Quran within the first 100 years of Islam is preserved. Alhamdulilah ☝☝

[@BloggingTheology]

👍👍

[@andrewbatho9962]

@@matthewpaulson6497 do u have any academic knowledge to make such a preposterous statement.Dr Hythem is a professional and gone through all the aspects before he made the claim .first bring anyone from ur side to claim that the Bible is preserved 100 %😂😂😂

[@elfenomeno5498]

@@matthewpaulson6497 altogether we have 100% of the Quran within the first 100 years. In comparison there is only a manuscript of the size of a credit card within the first 120/170 years of Xtianity :-)

[@adelow]

@@matthewpaulson6497 We can make the whole qur'an like today just from manuscripts dating back to the Prophet peace be upon him.

[@salmaa2871]

Alhamdulillahi Rabal Alameen 💚💚💚

[@DrJavadTHashmi]

This is a fantastic interview. Kudos to both the host and to Dr. Sidky. We need more of this. Great job and thank you!

[@BloggingTheology]

Thank you 🙏 ❤️

[@harriskhan7671]

@@BloggingTheology please brother paul can you invite Al Mudarabah youtube, Chanel, he has good knowledge on these topics jazakAllahhukhair .

[@mt000mp]

what happened to you brother?

[@shefayetchowdhury6316]

Par Excellence Paul! This was a Brilliant and Much Needed!! 👍🏼 Thank you. 🙏

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@youknow6968]

This is a beautiful discussion, I'm going to watch it second time, properly, before commenting. Thought provoking, and truly deep.

[@elfenomeno5498]

This is what i waited for.❤

[@mrafiuddin]

It is amazing to see Dr. Sidky being so young and have so much knowledge and wisdom about the subject .Thanks a lot Mr. Paul.

[@albatross7]

He looks like gigachad

[@hahaloser3914]

@@albatross7 yeah his cheekbones are very strong

[@thinkislamcheckmychannel]

27:40 Paul, the question you should ask, is whether there are variants with totally different roots. All the variants mentioned here were just due to different diacritical marks on the same consonant skeleton.

[@adamnasser2995]

I think he gave one example, but others would be for example ʿibādu / ʿinda (slaves / with) in 43:19 or fa-tabayyanu / fa-tathabbatu (investigate/ascertain) in Q4.94. This is due to differences in consonantal dotting giving different root words, but they fit the same undotted rasm (a requirement for canonical readings).

[@AbdurahiimRoberts]

Excellent discourse and very well constructed question sequence. InsyaAllah you will have him on again.

[@altamashhamid6772]

This channel is the most intellectually cherishing channel, when it comes to Islam.

[@majidalig]

Thank you much Paul and the learned doctor for this informative discussion.

[@Mzz321]

Great video. Thank you for posting!

[@maryamal-haddad4904]

Masha Allah, very beneficial video as usual 👍

[@iliasalmaudi8365]

Great Interview! I think you should interview Dr Asmaa Hilali next. Im from Sanaa, Yemen very close to where the palimpsests were discovered. And when you inspect those manuscripts with that geographical social context its very clear that those palimpsests were student educational material, perhaps for practice, so thr variation in Surah Order is explained because they werent transcribing codices meant for circulation. She makes a very good case for this.

[@snf321gotti6]

Great chat . Thanks Paul. And hythem.

[@waleedraed8090]

Woooow, that is the video that I have been searching for since very loooong Thanks and may Allah bless you all

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you liked it

[@farahjafferi6509]

Masha'Allah, I really enjoyed this episode, your guest Dr. Sidky is so knowledgeable at such a young age, he is a rare gem and impressive in every way! Insha'Allah wishing him much continued success in life . Thank you too Paul, I love your shows and your channel .

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@DWAGON1818]

The COLOR of the car is red is the same as the COLOUR of the car is red. Now go out and play.

[@waelahmad7478]

Fascinating episode in every part of the discussed problems, with amazingly intelligent host and the same quality of interviewer.

[@medqueen1808]

Hand down one of the best show brother Paul! Very informative… thank u to both

[@zulfiqarsiddique8598]

Alhamdulillah, enjoying this discussion.

[@zainzafar3131]

Great video. Kudos for doing this!

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@rashidkadura693]

Such a great variety of academic dialogue. Thanks again Paul

[@rihanahmad56]

Thank u Paul.. I am from India. Great work u r doing.

[@rashidaquil5284]

Christians need to listen to this carefully and accept the truth

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

I agree we need to listen to this scholar. But as a Christian believer, I already believe Jesus (PBUH and praise) reveals the "truth." Peace of God to you....

[@thinkislamcheckmychannel]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 *Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers.* Quran 3: 85

[@justarshad8354]

i bet they dont even know what the word 'TRUTH' actually means.. -Cause they loved lies and have been lied to since day 1..#sadreality# but its okay..cant expect big from christian people that follows an impostor like 'paul the dreamer'..a man that never once met jesus..lol..#funny x-tians#

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@thinkislamcheckmychannel Thanks. Actually I don't desire "another religion than Islam." I don't even like the word "religion." But I understand what you are saying and that verse from the Quran is a warning to people of other religions. I don't believe Jesus ( PBUH) came to establish any new religion, although Christianity did indeed become a powerful and influential religion. I feel no attraction to "desire" Islam but I do want to submit to the One God that Jesus preached. Peace of God to you and yours.....

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

@@justarshad8354 To be honest, I struggle myself to "know what the word 'TRUTH" actually means." I do believe that Jesus (PBUH) understood truth Himself because He embodied truth in His prayers, teaching and His life. Anyhow... I'm no scholar but keep learning ( slowly )!

[@user-mz8og5st8v]

Dr. Sidky's work is fantastic.

[@BloggingTheology]

Yes it is of great benefit to all students of the Qur'an!

[@LebaneseNostalgia]

This was really interesting episode.. More of this please

[@anondodhara4195]

Excellent episode!!! Love you two scholars for Allah SWT.

[@kitt7477]

I really enjoy these interesting guests you bring on to the show. As you learn, I learn too. Thank you for sharing.

[@usamaazizkhan4297]

@Paul Williams. Dear brother, I cant thank you enough for the work you are consistently creating . The amount of Khayr that you have done for us, may Allah reward you handsomely in this life and the hereafter. Jazak Allahu Khayran.

[@akickrashidtoko7636]

Be blessed brothers #Paul and Dr #Sidky for the nice conversation, The truth shall prevail mashaa Allah

[@AH-et7hi]

Awesome topic , thanks i really enjoyed the video, keep up the good work brother.

[@midotota6827]

So fruitful and academic..bless u

[@cure4islamophobia649]

Official written copy by Uthman The Quran was originally revealed in Quraishi dialect of Arabic. But to facilitate the people who speak other dialects, in their understanding and comprehension, Allah revealed the Quran finally in seven dialects of Arabic. During the period of Caliph Uthman (third successor to the Prophet) differences in reading the Quran among the various tribes became obvious, due to the various dialectical recitations. Dispute was arising, with each tribe calling its recitation as the correct one. This alarmed Uthman, who made an official copy in the Quraishi dialect, the dialect in which the Quran was revealed to the Prophet and was memorized by his companions. Thus this compilation by Uthman's Committee is not a different version of the Quran (like the Biblical versions) but the same original revelation given to the Prophet by One God, Allah. Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azherbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran, so he said to Uthman, 'O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and Christians did before'. So Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, 'Send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you'. Hafsa sent it to Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-As and Abdur Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in their (Quraishi) tongue'. They did so, and when they had written many copies, Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied and ordered that all the other Quranic materials whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt…" [29] Again a very stringent criteria was set up by this Committee to prevent any alteration of the Revelation. 1. The earlier recension (Original copy prepared by Abu Bakr) was to serve as the principal basis of the new one. [30] 2. Any doubt that might be raised as to the phrasing of a particular passage in the written text was to be dispelled by summoning persons known to have learned the passage in question from the Prophet. [31] 3. Uthman himself was to supervise the work of the Council. [32] When the final recension was completed, Uthman sent a copy of it to each of the major cities of Makka, Damascus, Kufa, Basra and Madina. The action of Uthman to burn the other copies besides the final recension, though obviously drastic, was for the betterment and harmony of the whole community and was unanimously approved by the Companions of the Prophet. Zaid ibn Thabit is reported to have said: "I saw the Companions of Muhammad (going about) saying, 'By God, Uthman has done well! By God, Uthman has done well!" [33] Another esteemed Companion Musab ibn Sad ibn Abi Waqqas said: "I saw the people assemble in large number at Uthman's burning of the prescribed copies (of the Quran), and they were all pleased with his action; not a one spoke out against him". [34] Ali ibn Abu Talib, the cousin of the Prophet and the fourth successor to the Prophet commented: "If I were in command in place of Uthman, I would have done the same". [35] Of the copies made by Uthman, two still exist to our day. One is in the city of Tashkent, (Uzbekistan) and the second one is in Istanbul (Turkey). Below is a brief account of both these copies: 1. The copy which Uthman sent to Madina was reportedly removed by the Turkish authorities to Istanbul, from where it came to Berlin during World War I. The Treaty of Versailles, which concluded World War I, contains the following clause: 'Article 246: Within six months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, Germany will restore to His Majesty, King of Hedjaz, the original Koran of Caliph Othman, which was removed from Madina by the Turkish authorities and is stated to have been presented to the ex-Emperor William II". [36] 'This manuscript then reached Istanbul, but not Madina (Where it now resides)'. [37] 2. The second copy in existence is kept in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. 'It may be the Imam (master) manuscript or one of the other copies made at the time of Uthman'. [38] It Came to Samarkand in 890 Hijra (1485) and remained there till 1868. Then it was taken to St.Petersburg by the Russians in 1869. It remained there till 1917. A Russian orientalist gave a detailed description of it, saying that many pages were damaged and some were missing. A facsimile, some 50 copies, of this mushaf (copy) was produced by S.Pisareff in 1905. A copy was sent to the Ottoman Sultan 'Abdul Hamid, to the Shah of Iran, to the Amir of Bukhara, to Afghanistan, to Fas and some important Muslim personalities. One copy is now in the Columbia University Library (U.S.A.). [39] 'The Manuscript was afterwards returned to its former place and reached Tashkent in 1924, where it has remained since'. [40]

[@karimb972]

BarakAllahou fik, brother

[@visionbiblique]

You tell stories to yourself ....

[@zulfiqarsiddique8598]

May Allah reward you for sharing the description.

[@divinity176]

This particular explanation of the 7 ahruf is among the weaker ones - the various hadith that deals with Umar and Ubayy in separate instances of noticing people reciting the Qur'an differently, and being told by Muhammad that all recitations are correct, involved people all from the same tribe. Differences in dialect do can't explain this away. Also, there are no known complete (or near complete) manuscripts from the time of Uthman in existence. At best, there are a few folios of heavily disputed dating which are nothing to do with the copies you mention. In any case, however much others many have commended him from it - neither Uthman had any divine instruction to burn allegedly divinely delivered materials, nor did any of the people applauding him. Allah delivered the Qur'an in 7 ahruf and Uthman corrupted that which was delivered - there is no getting away from this if you believe in the Islamic narrative.

[@kitt7477]

Very good research on your part. JazakAllah Khiran for your thorough comment. I took a snap your comment for future reference.

[@shaka7866]

This is so good. I cant get enough. I love u brother paul

[@ismailaly6724]

Excellent! as always, may Allah bless you brother Paul. Subhanallah, The more Quranic manuscripts are discovered, the more our researchers and specialists rejoice. On the other hand, the Christian world fears the discovery of new manuscripts older than the Sinaticus and Vaticanus. This would expose the intentional additions made by scribes, for theological reasons...I am thinking of passages that are being debated even today, such as Matthew 28:19.for example.

[@propheticadmirer1701]

the discussion just boosted my Eaaman,❤️❤️❤️

[@BloggingTheology]

❤️🙏

[@7senegalese]

You can learn more about quran preservation here kzbin.info/aero/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE

[@abdullahoduno4850]

Where are you getting gems like him ye Paul!! I've never heard of Hythem Sidiky but damn, this is the most concise video on Quranic manuscripts I've seen on YT.

[@nutzhazel]

Yeah, love all his quests so far!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Yes... I agree this was a very "concise video of Quranic manuscripts" and I'm a Christian believer.

[@7senegalese]

Hum then you will love this series about quran preservation kzbin.info/aero/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE

[@Aws0]

I wanted to watch just 10 minutes, ended up watching the whole video.

[@arefeenanam3359]

An excellent discussion. Alhamdullia

[@silverfoenix]

Before I go to sleep, I am amazed by the length they took to preserve the textual form of the Qur'an !!! Adding the fact of transportation method is by direct mouth to mouth & the science of authenticating the sources Not only this made it error proof from re-inscribing & copying, it put other holy books to shame! I consider making 7 variants that can be arranged in 10 forms of recitation of THE ENTIRE QUR'AN A FORM OF FLEXING 😀 Can anyone do the same without losing the charms for a poem? or a song? or even Shakespearean text?

[@samirpsalim]

That is why I believe that the Quran is a miracle.

[@ahy7181]

You did it again Paul, you and the Prof have cleared some of my inner thoughts without answers. Now I have got the answers I have been looking for. May Allah reward you both abundantly!

[@7senegalese]

And you can learn more about the preservation of the quran here kzbin.info/aero/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE

[@mohammedkhan3338]

Jazak Allah Khairan!!

[@munnathegmat]

@ Blogging Theology. Big thanks for bringing in Dr Sidky and asking soo many questions. I think he also has a post-Doc from the University of Chicago. And Ijazas in multiple qiraat (canonical readings)

[@safyyahcisse]

Thanks a lot Paul for this great interview. More academic discussion is needed about this particular topic. God bless you

[@islamscience9379]

None of the Qira'at variants introduces any material change to the intended meaning. The Birmingham Manuscript & the History of Writing the Early Mushaf (Quran) Episode 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJ3OoGt4or2MoKM

[@SharminAkter-mw9mi]

Sir Assalamualaikum. Thanks for this discussion.Besides writing quranic manuscript, our beloved prophet Mohammed peace be upon him emphasized on memorizing Holy word of Allah... That's why there's no doubt..

[@7senegalese]

Yes and you can learn more or the preservation of quran here kzbin.info/aero/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE

[@user-kd1uh1kr4b]

18 minutes in & I can't blink, just amazing

[@SAJANOVA]

وش الاميزنق فيه وابو مصير جالس يجيب مصادر الاتراك وتارك العرب وش قالوا!! الاتراك عثوا فالعباد والبلاد وحرقوا الكتب والقرى، مصادرهم ماناخذ منها

[@user-kd1uh1kr4b]

لا تعليق مادمت مناطقي وألفاظك مخيسة .. أبو مصير قال

[@SAJANOVA]

@@user-kd1uh1kr4b مالت عليك منبطح واحد، حسبت فيك نخوة اثرك بالقاع!!

[@sunshadow1483]

@@SAJANOVA ههههه تريد تدرس عن القران من مصادر فرنسية؟؟ هو القران نزل بالجزيرة العربية بديهيا يجب أن ندرس اقدم المصادر وهي تلك التي جاءت من هذه المنطقة. يا اخي اصحى على حالك انت في سبات عميق معرفة الحق لاتحتاج الى الحقد والكراهية. حكم عقلك

[@user-kd1uh1kr4b]

@@SAJANOVA هش

[@stereostream]

J. Smith and D. Wood can’t stop listening from their burner accounts. Amazing information, thanks so much 🙏🏻

[@falsehoodexterminator2336]

🤣🤣

[@virgotruthseeker3003]

J Smith knows more about Islam than everyone here put together!! U cannot give a detailed genuine study of a subject if u cannot accept that any of it could be wrong!!! Scholar's who can only go so far but can't cross the red line are as good as useless!! I presume Paul is either a Muslim or a western scholar who has realised that pleading Muslim makes big bucks!! Selling out humanity to the devil..

[@arefinkamal7654]

@@virgotruthseeker3003 do you know how many times Jay failed his PhD?

[@virgotruthseeker3003]

@@arefinkamal7654 haha probably for telling the truth!!! Every single Islamic scholar seems to b professional liars so wouldn't surprise me at all!!!!!

[@arefinkamal7654]

@@virgotruthseeker3003 or Smith is just incompetent.

[@doghun4416]

I'm speechless.. This video is of great, great value. Brother Hythem's work is.. just amazing. May Allah swt reward you good brothers. Salam / Peace.

[@doghun4416]

@Menachem ali salam/peace. There is nothing harmful if a goat ate a piece of Quran page. Because from the beginning of the revelation it is/was memorised by many people. Losing only a piece of an already memorized page (by many people) is nothing big.

[@doghun4416]

@Menachem ali you can't understand it because of your hatred. There are no missing verses. There are copying errors, reading differences (local and dialectal differences) simply because of the nature of the language. Think about the different dialects of english and "regional" spelling differences. The book and written form may have some typos and etc. Back then they didn't have ctrl+f, they didn't have computers... It does not harm the protection of the Quran because for 1500 years it is "MEMORISED" completely. How can't you understand this ? How old are you ? It is simple as that. It is memorised and recited 5 times a day, ubiquitously. The message is preserved whether you are willing to accept it or not. You are rejecting the scientific evidence but you are not aware of it.

[@7senegalese]

There is more here kzbin.info/aero/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE

[@adelow]

@@doghun4416 And plus akhi we have absolutely no reason to accept the goat eating incident. There are 4 people that have narrated this particular event. 3 of the isnaads say about the abrogation of the verse of stoning. Only one on them being ibn ishaq in it (which we know he is a weak narrator in this case) mentions that a goat ate it. 3 authentic doesn't mention it but the fourth with a weak chain mentions goat eating. Just like we know Ibn Ishaq is a historian and takes everything he hears. He says many times in his narrations ''I heard from someone'' without saying the actual name.

[@goldentv8578]

MashaAllah may Allah almighty bless you

[@ae2738]

A great lecture! Very informative and makes a lot of things clear! thanks a lot!

[@Logia1978]

Brother Paul can you please reinvite Dr Hythem Sidky and elaborate more on the last part, the oral traditions? This was absolutely mind blowing!

[@muhammadsanjaya80]

Paul, great work, I really appreciate this video. as born-muslim that growing up in muslim environment, I was not really appreciate this qiraat difference , but thanks to this video, now I more understand and appreciate the difference. in school, my son read quran in madinah mushaf while I had read mushaf with "indopak" writing since childhood. it had differences in writing, but same we read in same pronunciation. And the difference in writing is "explainable" and understandable. let alone the difference of the writing from earlier years of Islam because , AFAIK, the dot and "reading-instruction" is added in umayyah era. mushaf in Uthman RA. era was supposed to not had dot and reading-instruction (kasrah, dommah, etc) Maybe some other time, you can review all different qiraat, and its example , its history, so on Quran is a miracle, subhanallah.

[@sherifel-hadi3439]

A very interesting topic. Thanks for elucidating many points about Quranic manuscripts.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad you enjoyed it Sherif.

[@tahaalsayyed]

I also cannot but deeply appreciate Dr. Sidky for his knowledge and computer-like analysis that's so objective it's remarkable! He completely neutralises his own bias and beliefs as a Muslim and presents pure evidence only. Not a word more not a word less. But Paul put a little speaker's corner oomph to it 👍 such a fascinating discussion.

[@BloggingTheology]

❤️🙏

[@elmedinbeslagic5722]

@@BloggingTheology 🤲* :D

[@fathunm7941]

Great interview Alhamdhulillaah

[@banzaib5479]

I would love an update video on the website when it launches, so I don't forget. Many thanks @Blogging THeology and Dr Sidky for this wonderful conversation that kept me awake longer then I would have liked, but I have no regrets. So now I go to bed tired with all knowledge given to me.

[@BloggingTheology]

❤️🙏

[@harleyfreeriderzynra9554]

Dido

[@talharizvi4075]

This was one of the best and most clarifying discussions on the subject. I have heard (and even read) plenty, but you and Dr. Sidky hit so many major points and the discussion was both instructive and easily relatable (doesn't go over one's head). MashaAllah and bravo for a solid interview. This channel is a gem for both serious and curious people with an academic bent on these subjects.

[@BloggingTheology]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ademali8199]

Much respect to both of you from yemen Arabia much love to all Muslims Brothers and sisters expect UAE

[@islamscience9379]

None of the Qira'at variants introduces any material change to the intended meaning. The Birmingham Manuscript & the History of Writing the Early Mushaf (Quran) Episode 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJ3OoGt4or2MoKM

[@hassanmirza2392]

Quran was transmitted first and foremost via oral means. It is the only book in entire human history which is entirely memoizable and is memorized not only by specialists but also by ordinary believers. Which other books has ever been in entire human history which had this much rhetoric, poetical style and high memorability? Muslims do not take out their Bibles or Scrolls to read from it, we memorize and recite from memory during worship. There is NO book like Quran in this aspect. +

[@zuhairgasem5861]

May Allah bless you and guide us all to the ultimate truth that Quran, as we have it today, is the message of Allah. One thing about the Othmanic Quran is that each verse to be included must be corroborated by a team of companions with an absolute minimum of two. However, the versions that belonged to single companions were kind of personal writing and contained both Quran script and Tafseers (interpretation of meanings). I hope that professor Sidkhy can comment on this difference (متواتر وغير متواتر).

[@themiraculousquran6271]

Therr is a book by mustafa dhaya ala'adamy he did great job by putting surah Al-isra which position chapter is in the middle of Quran msuhaf( page 282), he shows i think 10 oldest manuscripts with only this surah and every page of mustafa's book shows a verse packed up with all the manuscripts and goes on until the end of the surah and all the manuscripts of the surah match 100% the same, we don't need that but we just share this for joy but the Quran is preserved orally

[@lionman5577]

Great content Paul as always. Thank you. Very informative session with Hythem, very learned. A couple of points in my humble opinion : 1. Any variant reading using synonyms or addition /subtraction of words without changing any meaning has to be explained by the 7 ahruf or wordings. There are some ahadith that mentions disputes among the companions regarding a certain recitation and them resolving it by consulting the Prophet without any authority for the companions. There are a few of these recorded and then the hadith about Qur'an being revealed in 7 ahruf is the criteria. Qur'an was recited publicly by the Prophet in 3 loud prayers daily. He (pbuh) led the congregational prayers including 4 times on Fridays. This is all seperate from scribe recording and sermons. Differences did arose that prompted the standardization of the text to the original style of the Qureshi dialect essentially losing the variances as much as possible with small reading variances still left that can be accommodated in the consonant skeleton. Still a very big subject. 2. Second point is around the lack of public knowledge. Now a days scholars will explain that is all there and been known which is true but cannot be denied that the layperson 97% have been told by these scholars that every word is the same including dotting or nukt system and that is not true as is they have some thing to hide and when the layperson learn about it from orientalist (obviously the orientalists or apologists have their twisted version that puts lies in to it), then they start to doubt. So the scholarship today is controversial just as they were at the time of Prophet Jesus the so called phareses who used to control and keep things though this issue is no controversy but has been made due to not bringing it to people voluntarily.

[@yessysetiorini2228]

May Allah bless you, brother Paul and Dr Hythem

[@philosophicaltheology5129]

A very interesting discussion indeed. Dr. Sidky's argument on the non-hereditary nature of the text of the Quran is probably the most important point in the discussion as it opposes the notion that mistakes are copied from scribe to scribe (just as Dr. Bart Ehrman would claim occurred in the new testament). This could only be accomplished if the scribes had an ancient complete unaltered copy to compare the later compies with and correct the later mistakes (Basically the argument Ehrman was making in his debate with James White in respect to the new testament) or if the scribes have indeed memorized the Quran in their respective qiraat in order to account for the error made by other scribes. This feat would have been impossible for the new testament scribes especially since the canonization of the text was very late for the new testament, thus we see numerous alterations in the new testament text (A must read: The orthodox corruption of scripture by Ehrman). As usual great discussion!

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Why do you say that "this feat would have been impossible for new testament scribes..."?

[@philosophicaltheology5129]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 First of all, when Mark was already written down, the authors of Mathew and Luke had access to some earlier scripts such as L, M, and Q, as well as Mark and they, picked and merged some of the info to form their own gospel. Now the scribes that copied, for instance, Mathew, made some mistakes, and then scribes that copied from the previous scribes probably made the same mistakes and added their own mistakes (You shouldn't underestimate the number of mistakes that could possibly be made when writing ancient greek letters side by side. I will not be dealing with forced anti-adoptionist changes such as Luke 3:22 or 9:35 for the sake of time). The earlier copies were either thrown away or confiscated by Roman authorities and so there is basically nothing to measure the tenacity of the later copies. Now since the bible does not have an oral transmission (unlike the Quran), not having the earlier copies implies losing the originals. When writing his book "the orthodox corruption of scripture", Bart still believed that the originals were at hand. Now, most new testament critics, including Bart, are not convinced that the originals can even possibly be construced. This is partly because of the problem of the hereditary nature of the bible as well as the little number of manuscripts present in the first 100 years. (For instance, P52 was dated to about c.110 earlier but now it pushed to about c.180. P90 and P104 are both second-century manuscripts). So yeah, it is a completely different beast we are dealing with when we look at the new testament.

[@user-np3cp2cb7u]

this Hythem dude is resourceful. thanks for brought him in, Paul!

[@Agreeornotatall]

Paul your presence in discussion for Quran and Hadith is making us wonder how vast Quran and Hadith studies are. You are an intellectual we appreciate. Thank you Paul!!

[@medqueen1808]

Brother Paul ur question at 37:13m is such eye opening and beautiful question! That’s so true I didn’t realize and then ur guest answered well! Even Muslims don’t realize the Jack drops of Surrah that has been conveyed.

[@farhat5325]

I think quite often when Muslims say there is only one version of the quran, they usually say that in comparison to the versions of the bible, like the quran has 114 chapters "in all versions", while one bible would have more books than the other.

[@alanimustafa9260]

Assalamualaikum, I think you are stereotyping muslims. For muslims, the oral transmission of the Qur'an was more important than the written one, the written one was an aid and went through a lot of evolution as the Arabic script continued to be improved until it took the current shape. i. e the dots of the letters, the vowels (the tashkeel) and all those were added to aid the non Arabs to read the Qur'an. This is what someone said. We only have different way of recitation of the Qur'an. So, the Qur'an is indeed perfectly preserved. If you still don't see that, then I am just gonna say May Allah guide you.

[@farhat5325]

@@alanimustafa9260 Wa alaikum assalam. You misunderstood what I said.

[@mohammedghander9243]

The message still intact Allah says :" if this Quran was not revealed from Allah, They might have found in (in Quran) much many differences (discrepancies) ." Chapter 4 :82

[@joemacarra]

And many has been found!

[@TazKidNoah]

watching this vid only reaffirms my Iman; what great moment while watching this

[@mansooraqureshi2696]

Such conversations are a Mine- Field of information. It also throws light on the technology of the time that was used for producing n preserving the Quranic manuscript. All due respects to the compiled team of the bygone humanity who have rendered a great service to keep the 'candle light' of Quranic Knowledge going for the generations to come. It indeed is a great Book Of Knowlege which every person, for the quest of Knowledge should read irrespective of religious denomination. Lots of beautiful 💐to both of you, very much appreciate the background work of the compiling of Quran n the research of Dr Sidky to bring it to fore to enlighten folks like us.Lots of Duwa to both of you!!!.

[@hassanmirza2392]

Paul should be appointed director of UK Muslim association. He deserves it.

[@thinkislamcheckmychannel]

No. Associations and organisations lead to biases and corruption in one way or another

[@Fed-sx6ki]

Great studies an great projects by Dr Sidky. Very interesting

[@newonevery740]

سبعة احرف is not really translated into seven letters. The word "harf" in early Arabic usage meant pronunciation or accent. The literal meaning of "harf" is changing direction or edge and in the context of sound it means altering a sound. The written alphabet or abjad which in English are called letters were called "rasim" or "khat" رسم او خط which means drawing or sketching. It is only recently that letters were more commonly are referred to as"harf". As a child I learned all about the various recitations before I was ten.

[@oussamameslek8128]

one day i'll come visit you to thank you personaly .you are the truth hero i was seeking

[@brezbrez7845]

Awesome work - thank you so much to Mr WIlliams and Dr Sidky for producing this revelatory talk. Its been such a major query in the muslim pubic domain for so long - where are all documents of the Prophet's era when the Qur'an testifies to its Own meticulous written recording, and to record contracts?! And why would they all have all been willfully destroyed? 15:9 "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly GUARD IT(from corruption." And remarkably, even the Prophet Muhammad's opponents would bear witness.. 25:5 "They said: Tales of the ancients which he has CAUSED TO BE WRITTEN and they are DICTATED TO HIM MORNING AND EVENING" 56:77-80 "This is a glorious reading , In A BOOK well kept Which none but the purified teach. This is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds." 80:11-16"By no means! Indeed it is a message of instruction, Therefore whoever wills, should remember On LEAVES held in honor, Exalted, purified, IN THE HANDS OF SCRIBES, NOBLE AND PIOUS." 96:3-5 "Recite, and your Lord/God is the most Generous, Who taught by the PEN, Taught man that which he knew not." 98:2-3 "An (apostle) from God recites leaves, Kept pure where are decrees right and straight."

[@Journal_Haris]

Just got done wathcing the whole thing and I'm mind blown, appreciate you giving us this !

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

I'm a Christian believer but I also appreciate this. Peace

[@7senegalese]

You can learn more about the preservation of the quran here kzbin.info/aero/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE

[@sultanalmarzooqi9159]

Ahhhh Hytham.. i miss you man.. hope to see you again someday

[@m.rusann9687]

Great thank you❤️🙏

[@stevenv6463]

Super interesting. I love hearing an academic speak about this complicated topic without religious biases. I hope more conversations like this can happen. I have heard there is similar academic scholarship over the hadith literature. It would be great if you could pick a hadith academic's brain.

[@sirusThu]

You can check his other interview with Prof. John brown. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYDWlGCrfp5_qNE

[@bella_m23]

24:40 But then even this example that's given here. If we look at the Arabic text, both words are written the same way (it's the dotting that makes the slight difference in meaning. But even the meaning kind'a remains the same)

[@harriskhan7671]

dr sidky information is amazing .

[@afsinakatsuki8526]

Thank you brother Paul for this beautiful content. Could you please invite also Sh. Ammar al Khatib from UK to your channel about this topic? Especially the Qiraat and Ahruf

[@Logia1978]

Amazing 10 words that are completly different and not from same root word in the whole 10 quiraats....

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

This is because a criterion of inclusion in the accepted qira'at is conformity to the Uthmanic rasm. But there are many anomalous readings which differ from the rasm.

[@Logia1978]

@@ConsideringPhlebas Muslim need only the othmanic compilation being preserved and to go back to the prophet. Thats enough for them... All other readings can be rejected, correct or not....

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

@@Logia1978 The Uthmanic text doesn't go back to Muhammad because the Uthmanic redaction was carried out after Muhammad died. Muhammad said that the Qur'an should be learned from Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud, Ubayy Ibn Ka'b and two others, but their Qur'an codices were abrogated by the Uthmanic recension, which wasn't carried out by those Muhammad appointed as Qur'an scholars.

[@Logia1978]

@@ConsideringPhlebas Othman is a direct companion of the prophet AND what polemists dont tell you is that we have *readings of the othmanic compilation going back to Abdallah Ibn Masoud* .... Anything else?

[@tachikoma7757]

@@Logia1978 ignore the guy, Uthman RA actually copied from the original manuscript of Abu Bakr RA with the help of Zaid ibn Thabit (the secretary of Muhammad pbuh) Hadith حَدَّثَنَا حَفْصُ بْنُ عُمَرَ، حَدَّثَنَا هَمَّامٌ، حَدَّثَنَا قَتَادَةُ، قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَنَسَ بْنَ مَالِكٍ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ مَنْ جَمَعَ الْقُرْآنَ عَلَى عَهْدِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ أَرْبَعَةٌ كُلُّهُمْ مِنَ الأَنْصَارِ أُبَىُّ بْنُ كَعْبٍ وَمُعَاذُ بْنُ جَبَلٍ، وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ، وَأَبُو زَيْدٍ‏.‏ تَابَعَهُ الْفَضْلُ عَنْ حُسَيْنِ بْنِ وَاقِدٍ عَنْ ثُمَامَةَ عَنْ أَنَسٍ‏.‏ Narrated Qatada: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Who collected the Qur'an at the time of the Prophet (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "Four, all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai bin Ka`b, Mu`adh bin Jabal, *Zaid bin Thabit* and Abu Zaid." Sahih al-Bukhari 5003 In-book : Book 66, Hadith 25 USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 525 (deprecated) Sahih Bukhari

[@iansaeed8210]

Dear Paul Williams, I would highly appreciate if you could kindly activate the caption for Language translation or subtitling to as many languages as possible in your Blogging Theology KZbin posting, please. Thank you a billion.

[@BloggingTheology]

Yes, I will try to!

[@iansaeed8210]

Thank you. I am looking forward to it in all Blogging Theology YT broadcast, because up till now most of Blogging Theology broadcasts are still not subtitled to many languages as expected by many. Thank you n Best regards,

[@Anwar-Mian]

Alhamdulillah. Very fascinating. A lot of excellent information. I remember several years ago there were some non-muslims who wanted to prove variants in the Qu'ran citing the Sana palimpsest's underlying texts and Gerd Puin's findings.

[@youknow6968]

After 10 months, at last got around to watching it second time. My first impressions were correct that it is a beautiful discussion. But, I'm glad to say the contradictions within the religious history weren't as stark as on my first impression. Which was the reason I wanted to watch again. Furthermore, the traditional methodologies applied under Islamic traditions reinforce the authenticity of historical Quran. God isn't standing with a stick above the head of every scribe to ensure small errors cannot happen, or guide a humans hand whilst they were writing or copying the QURAN. It's the system that ensures the continuity of a singular Quranic message. Over 1400 years, that is simply an amazing feat in itself.