TF2 2007 and now

2007 version (still available on console with Orange Box) compared to the most recent Steam version (build 4016097). This video highlights visual details in texture, lighting, animation and physics. "getpos" and "setpos" commands were used to record everything at the exact same angle and location on both instances. You can easily find the 2007 version on PC with a quick Google search for TF2 1.0.0.9
Notes:
- The missing blue flame at 0∶22 is still present in the current version, it didn't appear under that angle for some reason.
- Syringe Gun at 1∶52 does spin in first person.
- The lighting difference at 2∶51 is for the character selection menu only
Songs:
TF2 OST - Right Behind You • Team Fortress 2 Soundt...
TF2 OST - Three Days to Live • Team Fortress 2 Soundt...
TF2 OST - Stink Lines • Team Fortress 2 Soundt...

[@Thesavagesouls]

Ubisoft : Downgrade game before release. Valve : Downgrade game 10 years after release.

[@spookson5679]

What absolute chads

[@chazym9649]

Actually things were sacrificed for particle effects, weapons, ans events like Halloween not just dropped for no reason

[@mcblaggart8565]

Still operating on Valve time.

[@spookson5679]

@@chazym9649 but why not make these optional? Why not give players with stronger computers the option to turn the detail back on?

[@RyebredroxRPD]

Actually Ubisoft has downgraded graphics after launch. Look up Trackmania 2.

[@kulot1272]

The hell is wrong with scout he became like a war veteran who saw it all.

[@kulot1272]

Definitely the case

[@retroterro]

About what part of the video ya talking about?

[@kulot1272]

Joshulties and his eyes looks like he's dead inside

[@deekstokes4630]

That's what 10 years of fighting will do to you

[@ilikepotatoes1345]

I mean it has been pretty rough 12 years for him, cut him some slack.

[@22civilized90]

When i was young, i though the demoman’s broken bottle did more damage than the regular non broken one

[@caoistico669]

man, these days I was playing tf2, and the thing breaks, I thought exactly about that, but then I died and I couldn't make it break anymore

[@birdsindatrap]

It always crits so i don’t blame you

[@heavenandhello6629]

Fun fact: just in case if you never saw it, one of the game’s tips that randomly pop up in the loading screen for connecting to a server says “As a Demoman, your bottle does the same amount of damage wether it is smashed open or not”

[@TF2GAMER445]

Bruh, I just found out till now.

[@TheManOfSex1]

me too

[@Mimikkyudayo]

3:26 As somebody whos fairly new to the game I remember seeing that you can get ammo from dropped weapons in one of the games loading tips or wherever that is and got confused as it didn't work

[@heavenandhello6629]

Yeah valve forgot to update the tips ever since they first made this stupid change in 2015. And since you’re new to the game, I would recommend playing on these 2 things first before playing on public servers which are “training” and “developer commentary” with captions turned on in the options

[@WhimsicottFanatic]

@@heavenandhello6629 I mean all things considered, dropping an ammo pack makes a bit more sense than getting ammo for weapons that are very much not a rocket launcher from a rocket launcher That said, I do wish it wasn't just straight up the fucking medium ammo pack, that's always been a bit goofy [and can sometimes kinda lie to Engineers] even if it does work at being noticeable, but I feel like there's gotta be something that checks the boxes of making sense as a universal ammo pick-up that is noticeable and can be expected to be carried by the mercs, like an ammo _pouch_ or somethin', same basic idea, but it's not a whole-ass box On the subject of hints, another example of hints not being updated is that Sandman-related ones still mention the ol' stun mechanic Still hate that got Thwacked entirely, could've at least kept it for Moonshots, because as it currently is the Sandman gets entirely outclassed by the Wrap Assassin, a god damn cardboard tube and a bauble

[@marcowulliampopirers2216]

@@WhimsicottFanatic if you are looking for realism TF2 isn't your game

[@carnede]

they removed that? I have been collecting these scraps for 7 years now for nothing!!!!

[@alexanderscout]

@@marcowulliampopirers2216 this wasn''t realism this was valve changing how tf2 works you can't pick up an item that gets erased

[@B.B.B]

*_Bottle used to break_* Edit: Yes I know it breaks again, stop replying

[@nugstendo]

You're making assumptions... They never gave their opinion. You're just butthurt

[@B.B.B]

AtomicGamerzUk ummm.... okay??

[@_Cato_]

Bora Boyacı But WHY would they change it? Why downgrade a piece of the game for no reason?

[@basedlord]

it's not a joke. the bottle did used to break. look it up noob

[@SpinetinglingToast]

Bora Boyacı they put the breakable bottle onto the other melee for the demoman "The Scottish Handshake"

[@hazeman671]

I KNEW IT! YOU COULD BREAK THE BOTTLE IN EARLIER BUILDS! IT WASN'T A FEVER DREAM AFTERALL!!!

[@Sikowny]

Pretty sure you can still break it in the current game. You just have to kill a player instead.

[@horace.e6110]

No, theres no way to break it at all now Edit: this comment is 2 yrs old, they added it back into the game

[@Sikowny]

Oh, wiki says it was removed after the Love & War Update. Mystery solved.

[@metasprite5648]

hazeman671 yep i swear in 2014 you could break the bottles

[@delifresh221]

apparently you can't break the bottle now because now all models operate on the c_model system as opposed to the old v_model and w_model system. saves on memory, though I can't see why they don't just add in a c_model of a broken bottle when you crit.

[@skosgo8631]

Saddest one for me is the heavy's minigun not being shown anymore. Makes me really nostalgic whenever I see it

[@Nanriy]

Unfortunately, only the stock and Natasha had separate models for the first person, other weapons like Tomislav and Brass Beast did not have models for the first person so you couldn't fully see their barrel when spinning

[@Cdonz]

⁠@@Nanriyyou mean Sasha and Natasha

[@idot3331]

I love how 1:27 looks like the paint has been worn down over the years. Probably not an intentional design choice but sort of funny.

[@heavenandhello6629]

That and everything else in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007 due to it never getting updated for 16 years unlike the pc version. And if you don’t have a 360, it can also be played backwards compatibly on the original Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series X.

[@da_pwo]

@@heavenandhello6629you can play tf2 on Xbox one?!

[@Toro563]

​@@heavenandhello6629what the fuck are you talking about

[@R0B1NG5]

They had to optimize all those little details away to make room for more hats.

[@adamisAswsomeish]

R0B1NG5 it's kind of sad that this may actually be a genuine reason for these changes.

[@sabinocodesal491]

Such a stupid reason, they shouldn't have done it

[@eksdee3980]

+Sabino Codesal there is something called sarcasm which you obviously fail to get ..

[@commandertaco1762]

R0B1NG5 Fuck the hats I want to hit people with a broken bottle and see my revolver reload with actual bullets

[@gorito3289]

CommanderTaco I know they removed the pills inside the grenade launcher because it used to fire 6 shots, but now It only shoots four, so they had to change that. But idk why it still has 6 slots, it's not hard changing it to 4.

[@HectorsGym]

1:25 they really had to change my favorite rock

[@nicewater894]

Yes, now I too, shall change

[@brandthemanlee]

Bruh just shut up like u dont need to comment come on BROOO😂💀

[@dontlookatmyvideoREE]

@@brandthemanlee no

[@abandonedchannel3576]

@@brandthemanlee r/woooosh

[@brandthemanlee]

@@dontlookatmyvideoREE yes

[@Master_burger]

Scout wasnt lying about the darkness is coming

[@agg42]

2:41 those water particles would kill FPS back in the day

[@keego_yt0810]

That's because the water effect was realistically animated.

[@CrawLBoss]

So instead of optimizing the game they said “Eh fuck it let’s just remove the particles I’m too lazy to optimize that shit”

[@julianrosado1592]

Play the 360 version, its never been updated. Its like a time machine.

[@bacon-chewtoy]

I find very few games

[@user-il6kr7wp4r]

but it seems like a slideshow

[@shevrett2658]

It has better graphics but much worse gameplay

[@juaneslava7407]

Lol realy?

[@Chase-mp9zt]

Thats what he used

[@jaisapara]

i knew there was something weird about modern scout. his eyeballs stand out alot more and it terrifies me.

[@areadenial2343]

Yeah, I know, right?

[@Feksil]

Miss Jasper that lighting effect only occurs on the loadout screen.

[@Clazzette]

Miss Jasper he had a heavy dose of sugar or some drug that made him hyper af

[@t4rci427]

he had too much bonk

[@CrocoShack]

He has fucked up cheeks.

[@roshanyuvaraj6771]

1:15 It took 10 years for that medkit to spawn... dear god.

[@heavenandhello6629]

Ummm…no, it took 1 year because the health and ammo packs in the intel room hallway and spiral were added in the Goldrush update in 2008. It was the very first major update of tf2, and it was what gave us the payload map Goldrush and a whole bunch of other medic achievements.

[@tridyot]

@@heavenandhello6629 Ummm...no, it was a joke

[@nickplj12]

@@heavenandhello6629i found you wtf

[@heavenandhello6629]

@@nickplj12 Hi

[@nekuroverse]

@@nickplj12 found you aswell....

[@DenvaProbablyDraws]

I love how the video slowly changes from being normal to being like a murder mystery in tone as we discover things may not have become all that we’d thought…

[@helloworld14895]

TF 2 2007: Looks like a 2017 game TF 2 2017: Looks like a 2007 game

[@bwpanda344]

Noice 👌 I mean the comment , not the change 😌 I can see why it's for free now

[@razielette2159]

@@bwpanda344 it has always been free, it wasnt just really free in the Orange Box, but it came as a gift

[@bwpanda344]

@@razielette2159 oh ! Thanks for info mate , i heard that it wasn't for free before the pyro trailer although I don't know much this game's history 🤷

[@jhuganomics]

@@razielette2159 That isn't true, it became F2P in 2011. Please do some research before telling others

[@rustlerv6549]

Nah. The only actual difference is on the weapons, you're all brainwashed by the game industry's "darker/more shading=better graphics. The only difference is lighting and gleam.

[@GuyIncognit]

At least I now know that breaking the Demo's bottle, spinnig barells/rounds, sappers falling on the groung and grunting noises were real and not a fragment of my imagination

[@PLAYER-zn4kt]

It and the fabled 6 pill grenade launcher.

[@adamproductions9490]

Grunting is still there, just random and sounds more like the voices of the classes.

[@theunknown7666]

Robert Verdugo you mean Berenstein?

[@Dwarven_Soldier]

Guy Incognito that's exactly how I felt about the Demo bottle because I KNOW I remember it breaking in the past. I thought I was crazy

[@roastchicken401]

Mandela effect

[@mastershifu8151]

Imagine this game being remade today with all the new possibilities and features they could add. To bad we will never see anything like that.

[@GarfieldEnjoyer1878]

We already have and better in some ways. Team fortress 2 classic

[@mastershifu8151]

@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 True but I mean like a true successor made with a new game engine.

[@dontcrydoomer4787]

@@mastershifu8151 team fortress: source 2

[@scyfrix]

Eh, I dunno. Some of what makes the game interesting and unique is the Source spaghetti it's running on. Trimping probably isn't something you get in a modern game engine unless you specifically try to code it in.

[@clorb1939]

@@scyfrix it's kind of like melee, the meta's developed so much over the past 20 years, that at this point, we'd just have the game stay the same instead of being altered. i feel like something similar would happen with tf2 in source 2, backstabbing i feel would be changed completely, and as a spy main, that's just not my style

[@bqgin]

3:52 I remember how I used to do shoot weapons as a soldier to bring the ammo closer to me. Good times

[@heavenandhello6629]

You can still do that with the dropped ammo boxes but I feel like I’d prefer weapons being flown around rather than boring ammo boxes

[@plbster]

​@@heavenandhello6629 this was a change because of gun mettle, since we can pick up weapons now walking over them and getting ammo would be extremely annoying when trying to pick it up.

[@heavenandhello6629]

@@plbster Sure, the usable dropped weapons being flown around with explosions makes the weapons hard to pick up, but I doubt it would happen very often.

[@plbster]

@@heavenandhello6629 with the amount of splash damage and the fact most soldiers shoot the floor it would happen very often.

[@Nanriy]

they didn’t change anything, they just replaced weapons with ammo

[@carlsalg9016]

I knew I wasn't going insane when the bottle didn't break anymore

[@dafeous7887]

Morgan Freeman I thought I was insane when that happened lol

[@SkeletonTheBlackTopHat]

The bottle not breaking anymore for optimization sounds really fucking ridiculous. The bottle becoming unbreakable helps with performance? What the fuck was going on in that bottle, storm calculations?

[@bobbarclay1148]

Morgan Freeman maybe removed when they did the console releases and it needed to be kiddy friendly. Likely merged development branches so they weren't different for all the versions and the bottle breaking was lost. also explains the animations in the medic gun no longer working, consoles probably needed it out for optimisation.

[@autistiumhydroxide3614]

You look pretty insane in that pic tho Morgan. Big fan btw.

[@apyrapyr5453]

Skeleton The BlackTopHat They removed it because apparently new players thought it did more damage broken

[@xdgreenlambo1232]

So basically everything got depressed

[@Anonymous-Wolf]

Yip

[@sethleoric2598]

War.. changes people... dun dun dun..

[@mistermacman7071]

Just like in real life :D

[@twistedaxles9126]

Just like our world, makes it more realistic.

[@thebrand647]

even toaster pcs and potatoes

[@amaulana090]

1:49 is definitely one of the better changes

[@mr.101.8]

Why?

[@phoonwax]

@@mr.101.8 in the 2007 version of spy's reload, spy's gun covered a large amount of important screen space which made it hard to actually see what you wanted to be shooting

[@minignoux4566]

"spy no longer hits himself in the face while reloading" -valve patchnote

[@merucrypoison296]

And the last one too

[@sambuxton931]

@@merucrypoison296I disagree, removing the scream upon taking fall damage was good because the scream didn’t actually sound like the mercenaries. Also making ammo boxes instead of picking up dropped weapons for ammo is both more obvious and makes more sense and also allows you to pick up dropped weapons

[@likewastaken0906]

2:51 scout looks menancing now

[@americanwallace5216]

Scout saw what Heavy and Medic do in their spare time

[@d0ctors-field]

aw hell naw 😭

[@dwayne1625]

Don’t worry guys, they brought back the broken bottle.

[@stupit467]

And the screams, but better!

[@Nietabs]

Lol nice

[@DudermanJensonHaeger]

i just went on a killing spree as bottleknight in rottenburg then my light went out

[@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257]

@@stupit467 what scream

[@stupit467]

@@fujiwaranonekobiodrando1257 when you fall you Scream, first it wasn't the original cast then they were removed and now they fit

[@cyemonkey1828]

The fact that the grenade launcher doesn't rotate during reload really bothers me.

[@xyzzy-dv6te]

I'm bothered by the revolver drum not spinning and the minigun barrel not being visible when firing

[@cow4025]

@@xyzzy-dv6te Bruh just increase your viewmodel_fov

[@frenchspy9271]

@@cow4025 how much

[@cow4025]

@@frenchspy9271 Idk, i got it at 110 but i dont think many people would find it enjoyable lol

[@Small_child_punter]

Understandable.

[@PikaWarrior1222]

2007 has a much more cartoony look and i miss it

[@saltoooooon]

AGREEEEED

[@JaKack]

Agree

[@keego_yt0810]

The reason they got rid of cel shaded-esque style is either because they were trying to make the game more modern like and also trying to optimize the game for more cosmetics.

[@EraserDust4979]

I can live with a lot of the changes since the game is still fairly playable (yes I know there’s still the bot problem) but the one thing that really bothers me is the lighting changes just make every class look like they constantly have a flashlight underneath their face 😢

[@O5MO]

Well, i guess its better than having a dark Heavy in a corner and not knowing which team he is on. All in exchange for visibility, i guess.

[@seronymus]

They became serious depressed war veterans over the years.

[@h3ctor272]

What's the bot problem?

[@TheVivi13]

It's amazing how the graphics got worse, and even more amazing that it's orange box on console vs PC lmao.

[@energeticyellow1637]

The only time where the console version of a game looks better than it's pc counterpart

[@Viruz32]

@@energeticyellow1637 nah. i still have the orange box for pc and tf2 looked this good on pc as well. I suspected that the game looked worse years later, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. Now I know for sure, they downgraded it. So disappointing.

[@energeticyellow1637]

@@Viruz32 oh yeah I know. It used to look really good on PC too but I think around 2015 was when everything started to downgrade when they added those god awful weapon skins.

[@metaford3746]

@@energeticyellow1637 ah yes those darn weapon skin csgo have Not the guy wearing 5000 dollar worth of hat and 10 billion particle effect on his head

[@OutlawedPoet]

@@D00000T if valve were ever up to the task which I highly doubt, i'd love if they could port the game to source 2 and possibly make it 64 bit. that would increase performance by a fuck ton.

[@richardwatson1254]

I'd kill for that 2007 Minigun first person view. Also, the broken bottle... :(

[@eneergo3382]

Richard Watson I think that there is command to turn on that lighting But yeah I miss that broken bottle too ;_;

[@tikho3795]

Tip: Download the animation remakes from Gamebanana, they are awesome.

[@crazyflipisawsome]

I got one word for you my friend: *MODS*

[@GeneralProfessor]

Don't forget to break your bottle every time you respawn since it crits more often if it's broken.

[@robinrai4973]

They removed the broken bottle because players though it would do more damage (me totally not included)

[@commandertaco1762]

Now that its 64 bit, can we have these effects back?

[@hasanmchattan1374]

This!

[@Labyrinth6000]

Plus Mac support is now over, which is why all weapons look like this.

[@Engiman491]

btw, demo's bottle breaks again and medics gun spins again

[@heavenandhello6629]

It nowadays only spins in first person. It no longer spins in 3rd person unfortunately.

[@lumpyroots9650]

The reason they did this is because in the source game engine, there can only be 2048 entities ( objects, props, hats, lights, etc ) so valve removed unnecessary entities and animations due to the fact so many people were wearing the fancy new shiny hats they released, and you go on a 32 player multiplayer server where everyone has a hat, you can reach that limit and possibly even more than the limit too!

[@kidflasher]

Cool

[@Splarkszter]

Source Spaguetti. Same happened to CSGO.

[@blacky8060]

thats actually kinda small

[@Splarkszter]

@@blacky8060 well, source is from 2004 age. so...

[@OnlyOneNation74]

Fuck TF2 hats, what a waste

[@putnamehere3803]

Tf2 then: this game has good lights! Tf2 now: "the shadowrealm"

[@khan-xr6jz]

im memes nah bruh it's only on the maps crowbcat depicted. The lighting is actually fine on the hundreds of other maps in the game. It's just the 5 original maps that are a bit screws do to game updates

[@yaknoe4659]

Team Fortress 2 : Combat Evolved Anniversary Edition

[@snuneandbaon443]

Well..... for example the scouts weapon its brighter

[@KicksPregnantWomen]

its good map design to make things darker, it makes the enemies pop out far more, this has actually been an important factor in the game. if you look at the characters they all have a very small white outline to make them stand out from the background

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@@KicksPregnantWomen nah dude they just downgraded it the lights did nothing man

[@BurakSenol125]

The song fits so good it feels like Valve changed things secretly from us

[@godkingberkyy]

Man 2007 had rtx on 😭

[@heavenandhello6629]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007 due to it never getting updated for 16 years unlike the pc version. And if you don’t have a 360, it can also be played backwards compatibly on the original Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series X.

[@Kyotosomo]

So the graphics got...worse?

[@Arzene22]

Kyotosomo Basically

[@Valtrass69]

@Kyotosomo So,did you watch the video ?

[@flowerpower2906]

just like mass effect.. :(

[@Hyper.1.7]

No

[@Bryan-mw4en]

i dont think it got worse, it just they got rid of the unnecesarry visual effect.

[@boppe2235]

2:50 It’s more realistic because now he has the 1000 yard stare from being on the front line so much

[@coffeeseriez]

I miss 2007 Face scout...

[@pyramid6782]

But that's the only improvement, the rest is downgraded.

[@sameerhasan8101]

@@pyramid6782 LOL! RLY?

[@pyramid6782]

@@sameerhasan8101 yeah you haven't seen the video?

[@JimmyBshaw]

@@pyramid6782 that kind of talk is why Dutch says you have lost your faith

[@bmbterps]

Tried playing recently and thought it just looked way better to younger me at the time. This makes more sense.

[@BeatCrazey]

A lot of people say they worsened the graphics for optimization. However, I'd say that, most of, if not, ALL weapons look worse due to an *oversight*! They screwed up the weapon materials, such as drastically increasing the rim light boost (the ugly grey shine you see on the scattergun at 0:38) , and replaced most weapon lightwarps with a different, more smoothed out gradient (like on the shotgun at 2:41). They also updated most Phong masks (a texture that tells which parts of a model are reflective) to have a more "uniform" intensity applied everywhere, instead of showing up only on tiny scratches or paint strokes, leading to, yet again, a more greyish shine on the model. They can make the current weapons look drastically better than they used to, but they simply choose not to. In fact, they have quadruple the texture resolution as the original models, but they also keep the same, high polycount regardless of whether you're seeing them in the third or first person. Plus, the rigging is screwed up, which explains why the syringe gun doesn't spin.

[@heavenandhello6629]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the 2007 version of the game that never got updated for 15 years unlike the pc version. It’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007. You need to buy an Xbox Live Gold membership in order to play it if you don’t have one. And if you don’t have an Xbox 360, you can also play it backwards compatibly on both the original Xbox One, Xbox One S and the Xbox Series X

[@aestheticaltwat]

I can’t wrap my head around the fact the old weapons look better.

[@exy454]

in exchange for hats

[@jasonteqja7262]

Nice pfp

[@lo-fienthusiast159]

On point. 🖕

[@zon6158]

yeah when I play the game the weapons look better but when they’re compared it’s like wtf

[@Y-LAT]

Entire game was looking better

[@Mr_Hst]

I like the music it feels like we’re looking at the evidence for some grand company conspiracy

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

The first song was called “Right Behind You” The 2nd song was called “3 Days to Live” The 3rd song was called “Stink Lines”

[@thecoronavirus1819]

Valve’s conspiracy

[@ImmaLittlePip]

All conspiracy videos need this music from now on

[@medic-chan]

They added the bottle breaking back in a few years ago. See you in 3.5 years when you remake this video for 2027.

[@lunarsix1981]

If they had to remove animation and stuff to increase performance... why did they messed up the reload animation for sniper?

[@heavenandhello6629]

Idk, but everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007 due to it never getting updated for 16 years unlike the pc version. And if you don’t have a 360, it can also be played backwards compatibly on the original Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series X.

[@lunarsix1981]

@@heavenandhello6629 Thanks for the heads up man

[@retsila4750]

The guns look like they are made of chocolate now.

[@ehan1843]

It is lol looks like i can chew on it

[@derpypixel4951]

Coach would love that

[@GhostRangerr]

@@derpypixel4951 *Heavy*

[@boi4055]

“Wait it is all cake and chocolate” “Not always has been” (Pulls out chocolate cake)

[@JohnFortniteKennedy_]

Imagine can taste guns

[@lepokulm479]

0:20 The pyro head still triangle

[@Oeamix]

yes

[@superswazian9931]

@@Oeamix no

[@Oeamix]

@@superswazian9931 yes

[@qshy]

@@superswazian9931 yes

[@rokai7317]

Tringle xdd

[@Chompak_]

Fun fact the iron curtain still uses the old model of the minigun so it’s last item to remain from past tf2

[@frankcagadas4952]

2007: Metal Present: Plastic

[@thebrand647]

1:26 best detail in aging of tf2

[@pomgrenade9865]

So useless

[@flying_gorilla8069]

Mf really changed my favorite rock smh 😔

[@TheLunarMan]

@ScOrPiOn Games I think he means the paint faded away as TF2 gets older

[@themanED]

;)

[@Iloveangrybird]

@ScOrPiOn سكوربيون ignore him. americanization makes him think that anything foreign is equal to terrorism

[@a7jsdp0z672nf]

It's obvious they downgraded for a performance boost, just a shame they didn't integrate this into the settings.

[@fattburger6801]

Thomas Berry yeah I agree. An option in advanced settings would have been a great middle ground for people with good computers and people with bad ones.

[@KoolRanch]

Damsen all the new updates added more garbage for PCs to handle, with only a few people at Valve who still work on it, it might’ve became unoptimized (is that even a word?). The graphical downgrade could’ve became a response to this, but didn’t fix the issue entirely.

[@canicheenrage]

Disoptimised may be more accurate ( unoptimised would be for sth never optimised in the first place) and if it doesn't exist id be glad to have coined the term. :)

[@KenyaSG]

downgraded for a performance boost in 2017? this game was designed for potato pcs in 2007, a potato pc in 2017 would dominate this title at max settings in the desired resolution

[@billymilus4179]

bonus

[@theratwithmanyhats]

This is crazy since I own both the 2007 Xbox 360 orange box tf2 as well as the pc version and I have not seen these differences (until now)

[@medic6994]

It’s funny how the mercs weapons are shinier in 2007, like they were given to them fresh off the assembly line, and now have been sun dried and dusty. Same goes for how some of them look paler in 2007, like they got a tan over the years

[@heavenandhello6629]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007 due to it never getting updated for 16 years unlike the pc version. And if you don’t have a 360, it can also be played backwards compatibly on the original Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series X.

[@re_i_gn]

2:53 Scout went from a quirky guy to a meth addict

[@theadrenalin2016]

the fuck you mean quirky

[@0Ihs_]

@@theadrenalin2016 like, fast piece of shit running around places

[@SoutaN0101]

lmao

[@glipk]

Lol

[@Nietabs]

@@theadrenalin2016 flirty

[@okum3695]

2007: high graphics 60fps 2019; low graphics 30fps 2030: pixels 15 fps

[@thenotwaluigi]

And I'm from the past

[@gabriel4191]

@@thenotwaluigi And i'm from the present. Oh wait.

[@kamikazer6484]

@@gabriel4191 you've created a time paradox, you must understand the future better!!

[@SageManeja]

60 fps is an understatement.. you can probalby run the game at 300 fps on settings that would cause modern tf2 to go down to 40 fps, depending on the map and cosmetics ingame

[@ntrsmywork1809]

2077: 2d pixels 32 bit no shadow no model

[@caledonianamerican41]

Reject Modernity; Embrace Tradition

[@tb145h-skull7]

I find it funny whenever a game or show quality production just decided to dip and go for low quality for better performance

[@self-proclaimedanimator]

yeah i hate when my show looses Polygon to run better on my 2004 TV

[@swisscheeese]

So like real life, everything began to deteriorate.

[@froyoi]

So like as things get old they get forgotten like how valve has been treating this game

[@nersie4699]

i think all of this got patched

[@thecrabempire5767]

im fairly certain that if if i drop something it doesnt disappear from existence

[@thecrabempire5767]

Cereal hero 0900 I don't think that the bullet from the sniper coming out from the right place and stuff actually landing on the ground instead of just not existing and many other things are unnecessary some people like myself like good graphics they could at least make it an option in the menu

[@mewsterx3679]

@Cereal hero 0900 so much things wrong with what you just typed.

[@moddedtom5808]

I remember some years ago when people with demomans would take their bottles out, smash it against the wall a couple of times and then furiously going after you. Great memories. Demories

[@shevrett2658]

People still do that huh. Well at least I do

[@moddedtom5808]

@@shevrett2658 The bottle doesn't break anymore

[@shevrett2658]

@@moddedtom5808 but it does

[@snubcube]

@@moddedtom5808 do you know anything yes the bottle breaks again

[@markvigo1747]

Just on random crits i suppose

[@JoSephGD]

A lot of these old visual effects can be traced to being broken in one update: Gun Mettle. This update brought war paints with it. Somehow, this broke more reflective textures in the game at the time.

[@RedGoldDolfin-ez9iy]

Probably skins didnt look so well with reflections, so Valve desided that money is more imortant than the style of the game

[@judge3134]

Valve, as always in all online shooters, does not only in TF 2, for example, CS: GO, compare the original first version with your own, they made a Casino-type game, a game. Or DOTA 2, the same thing. The principle is like in fishing, first throw bait, and then catch fish, big fish, i.e. get big money from players, marketing moves.

[@Skyfoogle]

1:00 the crescendo after the decal disappeared made me laugh

[@metaford3746]

The decal look stupid tbh Like why call a giant brick building a shed of all thing

[@xyzzy-dv6te]

@@metaford3746 In TF2 bottles are stronger melee weapons than knives, so a giant shed wouldn't hurt

[@metaford3746]

@@xyzzy-dv6te you mean the bottle that when only crit deal 195 And a knife shove up ur back deal 4k of dmg

[@xyzzy-dv6te]

@@metaford3746 Knife is stronger only from the back, and in a fair melee fight a good opponent won't turn his back to you.

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

I played this game in 2007 and all the bugs that the game had made the knives even more overpowered. For example you could stab a player in the back when you were not even attacking him from behind!!!!!

[@clanka.]

i can’t believe he time traveled to get this footage

[@RexxiToon]

@@ryanmomtahan4786 EYYYY

[@RexxiToon]

@@ryanmomtahan4786 can you still get it on the xbox live arcade?

[@Wlodek1410]

Take a look how fake battlefield 1 look now, camparing to premiere date

[@SuperMechSonic]

There are tf2 cd roms

[@manflabs5209]

Better yet, he planned this video 10 years in advance

[@cavemanguy3625]

Absolutely worth the wait.

[@DrowseProductions]

The Post Processing in Tf2 has changed soo much. Generally maps do look better now but the lighting has been tweaked so much it doesn't really resemble the original. It's not always worse though.

[@2m4utube]

SPY SAPPED MY GRAPHICS!

[@BotchPL]

Artemy Strelov lol realistic

[@atypicalyorkshireman3809]

Spy’s sappin’ my GPU

[@thehomelesstoad]

I was gonna like but... nice

[@CatAdvantage]

S P A H S A P P I N M A H G R A P I C S

[@Littlefighter1911]

SPY'S SAPPING MY CPU! SPY'S SAPPING MY RAM! *boom*

[@gododoof]

I assume models were simplified to accommodate weapon skins, which I'm not a fan of. Though I'm glad they removed the grunting from fall damage as the grunting didn't match with the actual characters voices.

[@gododoof]

Gaby I'm talking about the removal of some animations.

[@namehere578]

Not just the weapon skins. I believe that they got rid of a lot of the animations in an attempt to better optimise the game, considering that cosmetics and unusuals (particle effects) likely have a significant impact on performance, and those are additional visuals that the engine has to render.

[@roboblox42]

The game was a pretty unoptimized piece of shit in the first place anyways. There's a popular joke that even the most powerful rig couldn't run TF2 at max settings because the game was just so poorly optimized. A lot of this was was probably done to lower the strain on systems.

[@namehere578]

My mistake, had no idea.

[@heliospah]

gododoof when I played the 2007 version, I was very confused when I first fell down and heard the down pithed voice of scout and spy.

[@_strayfer_]

Now that it’s 64 bit, can we have this back???

[@RedGoldDolfin-ez9iy]

Unfortunately, the only difference between 32 bit version and 64 bit version is a compiler used New 64 bit compiler allows for more fast operations, so game should run 10-20% better Old effects are still broken, however

[@jukita]

1:27 this one is just funny because it makes sense, it's faded over time, quite literally

[@basedbattledroid3507]

1:27 is an improvement, they cleaned the mud off the wall.

[@NFSl0]

the mud? lol

[@hm-yu6tw]

you can literally see it still too lol

[@hgeorge7357]

Shows that time have passed, interesting detail imo

[@matthewcheung8960]

@@hgeorge7357 wow nice interpretation

[@ratyrat5]

@@matthewcheung8960 only interpretation??

[@AegisAuras]

2:51 after 9 years of depression scout started doing cocaine

[@charleslanohan9408]

That's sad.

[@DIESELBALLS]

Bruh the shadow on his face makes him look like he’s on drugs

[@mr.mlaststandsite813]

That might be canon *somehow*

[@roniz2345]

.

[@Otamatone69]

After 9 years of bright, scout finally got into shadows

[@Silver77cyn]

Thank you for including the OST songs, it irritates me when people don't show them.

[@Ringtail]

People have mentioned the performance reasons for model and animation changes but what's with the lighting? Seems like models now have too little lighting contrast and have lost a lot of shading while maps have too much and are a lot darker in places. Just looks worse overall.

[@aniki777]

The lighting of the oldest TF2 maps has been broken for a long time. More recent maps look better.

[@dead5358]

Tf2 2007:we have metal guns Tf2 now: why do we we have plastic guns?

[@NowFatal]

Tf2 2007 - Tf2 2017

[@xboxed7202]

It's like replacing real guns with Nerf guns.

[@energeticyellow1637]

@@Nuuk_Nuke_Nook "They look shiny" You know, like... metal?

[@sanctitytoad3519]

Generic person that is generic idk about that

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

If you want to play tf2 with metal guns then play tf2 on this collection of games called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360

[@Sraxton]

Leaked Valve Team Chat: -Alright boys new update. Find as many details as you can, then remove them.

[@T4B_M3RC]

and add the shit box crate with community made content!!!!

[@WingedTophat]

i wish you could still dislike comments

[@T4B_M3RC]

@@WingedTophat I mean you still can, but it doesn't seem to affect the number of likes.

[@WingedTophat]

@@T4B_M3RC its basically hitting a button that does nothing

[@T4B_M3RC]

@@WingedTophat It's like the report button on tf2, it's a decoration.

[@davis1037]

2007 Scout: Ready for Action Present Scount: *Ready for Murder* 2:53

[@C.A._Old]

Never will forgotten. 2007-2015 Models & Details.

[@heavenandhello6629]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007 due to it never getting updated for 16 years unlike the pc version. And if you don’t have a 360, it can also be played backwards compatibly on the original Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox Series X.

[@holynder3181]

The revolver cylinder doesn't spin anymore. "DEAR GOD" "There's more..." Aaaand the reload puts bullets where bullets are. Great.

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360. And it’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007

[@king6530]

*Rounds

[@CoolName5383]

@@king6530 Congratulations, you know the other word for "bullets"!

[@Winterstarf]

@@king6530 squares

[@king6530]

@@Winterstarf 6 month necro for something so unfunny :/

[@samp.1766]

I'm happy to see that they brought the length of spies butterfly knife down to the 3" legal standard of New York State.

[@purugigi]

lmao

[@DeeTef]

Sept butterfly knives are illegal no mater what in our great state of NY.

[@hellbot455]

"IT'S IRREGAR TO HERVE A BETTERFLER KNIERF IN NY" -Governer Cuomo

[@samp.1766]

wohw Ih'm yootoob faymuhs!

[@RunnJake]

Thats why whenever i go back and watch like old jerma or ster videos the weapons look completely different

[@heavenandhello6629]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 since it’s the 2007 version of the game that never got updated for 15 years unlike the pc version. It’s the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007. You need to buy an Xbox Live Gold membership in order to play it if you don’t have one. And if you don’t have an Xbox 360, you can also play it backwards compatibly on both the original Xbox One, Xbox One S and the Xbox Series X

[@prot07ype87]

*What a time to be alive.*

[@lawsonguy75]

Incredible

[@thebomb7021]

can I have a *B O N E L E S S P I Z Z A*?

[@juntoo401]

Y

[@BoryokuDragonz]

YEAH BUT IF A PIZZA HAVE BONE ON IT IS BONELESS

[@BoryokuDragonz]

Noobis man i think 2007 Was better than now

[@Littlefighter1911]

Valve: "I finally made it.... A shit ton of hats are in the game!" Player:"What did it cost" Valve:"Half of the polycount of every player model."

[@landlockedcroat1554]

sounds dumb

[@alesta2212]

*turn UP your graphics then*

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

If you choose better graphics then play the 2007 version of tf2 which is on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360. If you choose hats then play the pc version that everyone knows which is gonna die from the bot crisis. And new players will never know about community servers either

[@smorre4004]

Great example of how "new" isn't automatically better

[@The3Idiots174]

tbh 2007 looks better than now, BUT the end, AKA 4:12 that's the only problem, better to add the real voices of the mercs.

[@MrMozzie]

2:55 scout aged like 10 years lmao

[@linus5597]

The game IS like 13 years old

[@user-ce6cl8wg3r]

He is got charged with battery

[@MrMozzie]

@@linus5597 turning 14 this year, but in the actual timeline it’s all around the same years

[@thecrab3033]

@@MrMozzie on Xbox scout hasn’t done drugs yet, why I play as a scout main on Xbox.

[@Otamatone69]

Wow after 14 years he aged 10, that’s so old Also they did was add shadows, and make a way better face

[@IndigoAlkali]

Dunno why they removed such small things like the chamber of Spy's revolver moving when fired, or pills inside of Demoman's grenade launcher. I kinda liked those.

[@ShaddySoldier]

IndigoAlkali or the bottle breaking, I fucking miss that

[@robinrai4973]

IndigoAlkali fairly certain with these valve swapped a viewmodel or something and were in true valve fashion too lazy to fix it.

[@Slateproc]

Either Germany or Australia bitched at valve about MUH CHILDREN so valve cut it out

[@bongibot1104]

to put in all the hats and cosmetics. Granted that bottle smashing is awesome but with the over abundance of hats some things had to go, rip.

[@TheRealBoxman]

There used to be two models for weapons (one for first person, one for third person). A long time ago they merged them into one shared model. This improved performance and made editing/making weapons easier, but it did come with some cosmetic trade offs.

[@bladeofdespair9716]

before: bright now: dark

[@Synthiewavu]

Felt like I just watched this when it came out. How time flies by

[@saltoooooon]

What the hell next year tf2 is turning 17

[@officerspider7996]

Spy: They downgraded most of our looks Soldier: Dear God... Spy: There’s more Soldier: *No....*

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

If you want to play tf2 with the 2007 graphics then play tf2 on this game called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 or PS3

[@gottagofastfaster]

@@ryanmomtahan4786 there is also a mod for tf2 called TF2 classic, it has old 2007-2009 vibes too but it has scrambling teams option which is in my opinion bad because I think in old TF2 version the same thing happening like people often were pressing that option because it's unbalanced teams or someone is mad because he losing.

[@ryanmomtahan4786]

Tf2 classic is just a mod. It’s not the OFFICIAL 2007 version of tf2 that was created by valve 14 years ago. I only want to play a 2007 version of tf2 that was made by the company who made tf2. Not something that was made by a person that doesn’t know that you can just play the 2007 version on the Orange Box for Xbox 360

[@Glumbus1]

@@ryanmomtahan4786 the xbox360 version was updated and isnt the classic 2007 version i believe the least updated version is on ps3

[@starmangalaxy2001]

@@ryanmomtahan4786 You apparently if came back to reply to it.

[@hagrid3083]

i think they removed so much detail when the game became f2p so that people with slow pc's could have a better experience. but that's just my guess

[@awgybop1]

These changes have gradually happened over the years. Plus if they did that, it would make no sense - you would think a free to play game would be unoptimized compared to a paid game where people pay money. If Valve hadn’t done their BS with all the hats they’d be better off just bringing back the original release of the game after the bunny hop patch.

[@krowta2062]

these changes at least to the weapons happened in 2014 not 2012

[@awllypollyas8292]

But why is the butterfly knife so small now?

[@anhkietduongdo]

Back then you could run the game with a Pentium and it would be smooth just like other Source engine games. Now i still get some lag spikes trying to render that banana head double unusuals floating above his head.

[@baconhair1565]

@@awllypollyas8292 because a balisong isnt as large as a goddamn machete

[@TheManOfManyNames.]

It's amazing how video games have LESS quality than back then.

[@sfmlenny]

This feels like the Mandela Effect even though it actually did happened.

[@Aeviu]

2:51 **look at TF2 Now** You can tell Scout has seen some weird shit over the years

[@bobthetop3242]

Jonah Aqui heh

[@zekevesva2043]

he saw the female class mods XD

[@Sturgeon-jv2nf]

He took shadows

[@aronzepokemon2619]

He kept drinking those illegal energy drinks

[@gamram]

It was 10 years Scout is now a big Boston boy.

[@svenrawandreloaded]

imagine removing a physics element from a source game... oof

[@quintonwinton7210]

they removed the physics from the weapons because their purpose changed from ammo to being pickups

[@XxRaceRCxX]

CSGO

[@DangerDurians]

Also because they added the ability to pick up weapons from the ground

[@gottagofastfaster]

At least Half Life franchise is alright.

[@WednesdayMan]

that's because of the alteration of how guns work in TF2. They originally acted as ammo, however they can now be picked up and enemies drop ammo packs upon death.

[@DesertPunks]

It makes me a little sad to have watched these details vanish over time, I remember some of these lol

[@Dutch.39]

It’s the same thing in gta San Andreas The old and the new one

[@GigaJinGaming3711]

I think this in a nutshell would be 2007: shining. Now: Matte

[@CountCalcium]

Most of the time the weapons look the same if not better

[@ikupreza]

same with everything

[@hahahayden1]

@@CountCalcium that lighting though...

[@RickyHasMemes]

@@CountCalcium no

[@lmaster-ny3qp]

DEEP LORE

[@nerfgunpng7552]

2007 Spy: Yo dawg, can I get a backstab? Valve: Only a spoonful. 2007 Spy: *pulls out comically large knife *

[@SuperDuperSeb]

Makes no sense

[@duuled]

@@SuperDuperSeb you don’t get the joke?

[@revieretempur]

*CRITICAL* *HIT!*

[@Zyrikun]

You mean knifeful?

[@CheddarCheeseRebirthed]

"i said spoonful not stabful"

[@Blind_Hawk]

Kinda sad what had to go for the things that we have now. They didn't expect that TF2 gets that big...

[@heavenandhello6629]

Everything in this video never happened for tf2 on this game bundle pack called “The Orange Box” for Xbox 360 and PS3. And they’re the same exact thing as what the pc version used to be like in 2007 since they both never got updated for 16 years unlike the pc version.

[@Blind_Hawk]

@@heavenandhello6629 Yeah I know, seen a video where someone plays TF2 in 2022 on a PS3.

[@funnydude69]

After all those years the weapons had to get dusty

[@eraser400]

I remember I used to stand there in awe at the shininess of the weapons back in 2007. When I played it now I used to think to myself “Man, I could have sworn these looked better back in the day” BUT THEY ACTUALLY DID! I wasn’t wrong lmao! Why did they change them? They looked so much better in the past!

[@bombytetoo]

apparently for optimization but i dont really understand why since the game isnt hard to run

[@vincentas1]

@@bombytetoo it isn’t hard to run because of optimisation

[@haseenabadshah5381]

@@bombytetoo Apparently*

[@haseenabadshah5381]

@@bombytetoo don't*

[@haseenabadshah5381]

@@bombytetoo isn't*