The BIG Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Retrospective

[@SuperRADLemon]

Thanks for watching as always. If you want to see more, be sure to check my channel and subscribe!! Correction: My voice dupes at 2:49:10-2:49:25

[@bigunknown]

Don’t know if you realized this but there’s a moment 2:49:10 - 2:49:25 ish your voice duplicates itself

[@scp2539]

this was an interesting video, thank you for taking the time to make it ^,^

[@travisadams6279]

There are multiple ways to stop Malak from absorbing power from the jedi bodies. Besides force breach, you can use lightsaber throw or force lightning, you can even use force drain like he does and empower yourself flipping the tables entirely.

[@Parker--]

Lol the game was never one of the most graphically stunning games on the xbox much less the PC. You already had games like Halo CE, Final Fantasy X and X-2, Soul Calibur 2, Rogue Squadron 2, Virtua Fighter, and Doom on PC. The character models weren’t great, the animations were bad, the framerate sucked, the level design and textures were repetitive hallways, and there were not vistas or detailed characters. I love the game. It was an ugly game even back in the day, but adequate because it just needed to tell the story.

[@barrybend7189]

Oh one thing I noticed always hoard mines in Kotor 2. One free XP from disabling them and 2 Atton can use them twice to get out of two very tricky fights with ease.

[@starflight]

Oh thank god, another multi-hour long story analysis on a game from the early 2000’s by someone I never regularly watch. I shall consume this media voraciously and eagerly await more.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Me: “A fine addition to my collection!” 💿🤏🦞

[@ElamW]

This is literally me

[@tyler8995]

I'm in this comment and I'm ok with that

[@lilprezzy7271]

I'm glad I'm not alone man xD

[@sneakingcon]

Yeah I can't count how many retrospectives I listen too and I always learn something new!

[@thomaswillard6267]

I'm a simple man I see a Kotor retrospective, I spend several hours watching the Kotor retrospective

[@l33_generic37]

Same bro. Same.

[@TheG1NGER]

This.

[@justfitz08]

And they're mostly all the same. But its kotor.. So if I get to hear the same thing said in different ways, I'm good with that, so long as kotor is the backdrop.

[@nifftbatuff676]

I am a simp man too.

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

it's not much but it's honest work

[@brentloy131]

As a kid on a trip in NYC I picked up two Xbox games while out and about with family. My choices weren’t random, but they were entirely based off the cover art and pictures. I was very ignorant to great games and hadn’t found my preference in games up until that day. The two games I bought that day were Elder Scrolls Morrowing and KOTR. Little did I know I had grabbed up two of the greatest games of all time.

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

Those box art covers did you good!

[@brentloy131]

@@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK they steared me right into the city of Seyda Neen

[@PHYTEthePOWAH]

Hell yeah!

[@kennethwelbeck6998]

obviously great at choosing things

[@travisporter5222]

You hit the lottery. Twice.

[@Nitewalkerrr]

any one woke up to this playing?

[@tannukiiruukii]

Strangest thing, I can remember most of the plot because the voiceover was talking in my dream like a narrator.

[@Lost3DPrints]

100% this some good sleep medication

[@HOEDENKOPF]

Yess!!

[@thejesterofwoe7778]

Heck yeah!

[@NewDealChief]

I played this during my sleep like 3 times now lol, 4th time rn.

[@sekroz896]

Its a shame that we haven't had games like these for almost 2 decades. You would think a starwars role-playing game would have been released twice in that time considering how fondly the 2 kotor games are remembered within the community.

[@devinhargrave4723]

Its just a matter of greed on EA's part. They have exclusivity, once upon a time Lucas used to say "any story can be a star wars story" and that reflected in things like the clone wars and the plethora of games we used to receive. Now there's only ONE entity that can sign off on the games and its clear that they don't have the background to give us a ground breaking RPG. To their credit though Jedi: Fallen Order is a really good game but its more action than roleplaying game.

[@LordNexusTheFir]

Yea. Hopefully things change in the coming year/s cause with modern graphics, physics for clothing, animations, the ability to have mods on consoles a Kotor 1 & 2 like series & Kotor 3 & potentially 4 with Kotor 1 & 2 remakes could bring in hundreds of millions for the remakes & to billions for all new content for the series alone. Not counting new adventures.

[@ianleifheit7105]

@@devinhargrave4723 it also doesn’t help that EA is very much against single player games.

[@smrii2487]

I blame Bioware. They were trying to capitalize on WoW hype and make a quick buck and put out SWTOR instead of a proper KOTOt 3

[@TheStonewall117]

Honestly, we live in a day and age were I’d actually be scared if they made a sequel to KOTOR. I’m also scared for the remake of the original KOTOR.

[@billyreynoldsjr2229]

HK-47 is the best companion in both games. His dialogue is almost always golden.

[@Miss_Trillium]

And any time it's not golden, it sure is at least silver

[@fatakcz5962]

Shut up meatbag

[@WolfHreda]

STATEMENT: This is true, meatbag.

[@Vladislav888]

He is Revan by proxy in a second one

[@bradcarver8127]

I love Canderous. My friend and I called him out drug dealer because of all the Stims he gives you

[@Milos111Zivkov]

"Don't call me that. I'm not Revan anymore. I'm SuperRad Lemon now." Love that.

[@garlottos]

Very funny moment if you named your character Revan

[@KaygeeFromNanotrasen]

@@garlottos ikr lol

[@redvikingbiker]

I almost always name him Naver Thrad. I always head cannon it as when the Jedi wiped his memory whoever gave him a new name paniced

[@Milos111Zivkov]

Hahahhaha, second playtrough I did I named him Raven for the similar reason, not cause I was edgy. @@redvikingbiker

[@KaygeeFromNanotrasen]

@@redvikingbiker ah yes, the reverse alias

[@supersaiyandrgnslayr]

I'm a bit upset you didn't really go in-depth on how amazing Korriban can be as a light-side character. You can actually redeem many of the students you meet in the Academy, either by showing them how the sith failed them or by persuading them back to the light. The runaway students you can save and allow to escape; Mekei, the one in the tomb you fight alongside with, can turn away from the dark side even without guarantee he will be a Jedi. And the backstory of Yuthura Ban, showing how she joined the Darkside to save the slaves....but the drive for power made her forget why she turned in the first place and never did anything she set out to do, showing how the darkside really is a corruption and how the Jedi failed to give her peace of mind for it either. It is almost as nuanced as Manaan.

[@SuperRADLemon]

Yeah I didn't fit everything in or fully realize that multiple characters had this mechanic. Seems almost like foreshadowing for how KOTOR2 let's you handle your party

[@supersaiyandrgnslayr]

@@SuperRADLemon True, I actually love the fact that you can directly influence characters to go certain paths. Kotor2 Nar Shaddaa man is full of NPC whose fates can be directly tied to what you do. Even still, I love how the Sith Academy actually tries to justify itself as not being evil, that it's about freedom....only for the lessons you learn going into the temples to show some of them that in practice, you won't get that from the Sith.

[@markl5998]

When you put it that way about Yuthera... That's deep. It's simple but not obvious. Don't forget your goals. Don't forget why you are doing what you do

[@mikeblaze7424]

And Carths son

[@XavierGrim]

On the topic of Jolee Bindo and the Gray Jedi, while I like the concept of them as individuals who follow the Light without adherence to the politics of the Council or fear of indulging in their emotions, they've never really existed beyond the lip service of the fans. Hell, even in this game and the sequel there is no mechanical benefit to trying to walk the line between Light and Dark. As far as the game is concerned, there's only value in adhering to either good or evil, everything else is muddying the waters.

[@78910idontknow]

I'm just happy to see comments that get the definition right rather than the definition of Grey jedi as "using both the light and dark side" because the PC wants to spam force lightning.

[@lancetoston3941]

@@78910idontknow but light side users can use a similar technique force judgment. Then one could always be a night sister(they are neither dark nor light)

[@Reverse_Hood]

Because Gray is more edgy cowards who want all the power and do nothing with them

[@FalenDragmire]

@@lancetoston3941 The Nightsisters are most definitely dark side users.

[@Sone01TheFirst]

probably because running of a system of "Save one innocent, murder a different innocent to stay gray' is pretty fucking retarded and is utterly mind boggling how everyone seems to keep failing to realize that's what they keep advocating for when they go "But Gray is better! You get all of the cool Jedi benefits while being rewarded for being a selfish little shit"

[@BlackQuest575]

who else got this as a sleep autoplay?

[@KingTragic02]

Me

[@anthonydixon9220]

Yeeeeup...don't even know how.

[@danhitchner]

Yup!

[@sub-jec-tiv]

How did the algorithm know i was asleep, and serve me a video with a relaxing voice that wouldn’t wake me up, but that i would like when i woke up?

[@roguexxrenegade]

Yep

[@Hweeson]

I fell asleep and now I am hours through a video I didn’t click on.

[@oiPuReNaDeZzo]

Me too!

[@MyName-qv3eg]

Same here

[@Lexicon345]

Me threee!!!

[@thomasevergreen5282]

Congrats, maybe you'll have enjoyed this 🙂‍↕️

[@JustxLiving909]

Woke up to this playing

[@ChizFreak]

I got an eye condition rendering almost blind for a few days and I've searching for good long videos to listen to while I recover and rest. This video is just what I needed (I already listened to your MH videos). Thank you.

[@leonidasvonsparta]

Get well soon

[@Underrated_History1863]

I love going through both KOTOR 1 and 2 role playing as a Jedi who has given up their blade and uses blasters. Early game play is pretty rough but by mid game you are melting through everything and it ironically makes the malak fight rather easy so long as you’ve picked up a force power that slows or stops him. You can just lead him around blasting away in it. It makes me wish there was a game or story that pursues this path. I know the sabers are cool but a Jedi that’s put their skills into blasters would be pretty cool. Great vid btw same with Vegas. Top notch

[@bradcarver8127]

I feel like a jedi would be an amazing sharpshooter

[@malbasedvalentine3210]

Lol, the Kyle Katarn method.

[@sawyeratkinson]

Wish they'd make an rpg that wasn't solely focused on the jedi or you at least had the option to deny your involvement in the force instead of getting trained. The Hans, landos, dash renders, wedges, even recently with andor...jedi aren't the only great thing about star wars. On top of rpgs, I wouldn't mind seeing another rogue squadron type game...used to love that game on n64 back in the day

[@MrPsyren99]

My favorite build tbh, especially as a dark side user who just blasts anyone and everyone he wants

[@fusrosandvich3738]

@@bradcarver8127 Well, there is the Sith that favored blasters, though I forget his name at this exact moment. His blaster's flavor text is "This has killed more Jedi than any lightsaber." You can't even use it if you aren't dark-side aligned. So yeah, a jedi or sith switching to a blaster works out pretty effectively.

[@monoclesquid9667]

Jedi Sentinel only really shines in KOTOR 2, where skills become much more important due to the crafting system

[@himbourbanist]

omfg this is so long, I can't wait. Idk how I keep finding wildly long reviews for games I played 20 years ago that I consistently enjoy. These long videos are perfect for a night off from work. My cat and I are huge fans.

[@pp-rw9do]

The fact the remake to this game got cancelled recently makes this retrospective hit so much harder

[@markusmitchell8585]

The remake isn't cancelled lol

[@SuperRADLemon]

It was delayed indefinitely

[@TheReZisTLust]

Lmao foresaw that when they tried changing the gameplay

[@pp-rw9do]

@@SuperRADLemon my mistake then

[@SuperRADLemon]

I was agreeing with you

[@greyshadow9498]

What you didn't want to go into the woman's runaway sexbot on Dantooine? Fun Fact: Nearly 20 years ago, I walked AROUND Calo Nord on Tatooine and he's been standing there waiting for me ever since. 🤣

[@markl5998]

How

[@lupvirga]

i think the twist is fun because, regardless what you thought your backstory was, you are actually something else. and it doesn't mean you weren't LIKE that character at one point of your life, but, you became something else.

[@elliottblakemore7476]

So I've always perceived it as Revan wakes up and has absolutely no change. Immediately leads a small hit team of ragtags to rescue a trapped jedi to escape a literal fleet of Sith, to then lead a espionage scavenger hunt across the galaxy only to fight off multiple high ranking members of the Sith menace lead by Malak all before learning of his identity. You could take his memories but you couldn't take Revan out of Revan.

[@Acecard-jl2py]

Ah! As for the Sentinel class, it gains immunities to certain powers. One thing I dislike is fear. When you level up the sentinel they gain immunities to the highest form of fear. It’s not much, but I prefer that.

[@EddieSpaghetti69]

So instead of wearing headgear that is appropriate you'll dedicate *your whole class* towards defeating status effects? *...Okay.*

[@venlocity2]

​@@EddieSpaghetti69i mean, its still a good class for hybrid force/melee builds

[@EddieSpaghetti69]

@@venlocity2 Oh heck yes, It's great if you want to dual-class effectively, I just have never had issues with general status effects as I try to make sure at least one of my members can still move during an effect. The immunity to fear that Sent gets is still pitiful compared to raw willpower mod. There's an *enormous* amount of gear attributed to boosting willpower or fighting a specific effect; and if you pay attention to the environment *slightly* you get good hints as to whats upcoming in both KotoR's so you can plan ahead, even moreso is *proper spacing* to try to avoid AoE's in fights.

[@Kasaaz]

1:45:00 - I actually do know why they have random encounters in this area. I'm trying to find the exact source, but it has to do with a technical limitation and the size of the area. From what I remember, they couldn't pre-populate it all because it was too much for the game to keep track of or something like that. Without any real occlusion, I think? Man, getting old sucks, but I remember someone talking about specifically this. This was the solution to not make it feel totally empty because of the limitations of the tech.

[@Logan-fo1gs]

I remember getting stuck for DAYS when I had to find that sith armor as a kid. After I found it, I fell in love with the game and was so captivated. No guides or anything, just a 11 year old roaming the galaxy enjoying the adventure. One of my best gaming experiences 😌

[@Playboi_Alucardi]

I feel the need to add my voice to the choir singing praise for your long-form content. As someone who started Monster Hunter with MHW, I loved learning the history of the games from your videos. Now Fallout:NV, DD, and KOTOR, your videos are a magical retrospective down memory lane and I thank you for it. You've put a lot of time and effort into these videos and it really shows. Thank you.

[@ingolf82]

you can cheese the Calo Nord fight, you can run past him and ignore him completely, if you do this 2 or 3 times, he just... dies. this is because Darth Bandon has to appear, so if you just ignore him he just dies without cause. Bioware didn't make it so you can't flee the battle and they didn't count on people doing that. However, he isn't a problem to kill so ignoring him makes you miss out on loot. Jolee Bindo is also the origin of the phrase "pulling a Bindo" (secret marriage). Manaan has a trap of sorts. a point of no return, if you screw up, you have to restart the whole game. in my first playthrough back to this game for many years, I forgot to take the side mission involving finding some Selkath youths. If you do not take this mission before going into the sith base, you will be executed by the Selkath when you exit the base and if you don't have a save game before you entered, you have to restart the whole game. I made this mistake, don't do what I did. what I find most fun about Korriban is when you encounter some Sith acolytes for the first time (Lashoe and the others) and they ask you to tell a joke and you have Canderous with you, you tell a joke about some Mandalorians, he has some comments about that.

[@KatrionaAvalon]

10 months late to this, but there is a very obscure way to get out of being executed on Manaan without the Selkath youth side quest. You have to mention being lured inside by the Sith, and then say you were invited under the pretense of establishing diplomatic relations with them. I found this out a few years ago, definitely would have helped to know it when I was playing this game at like 5 years old. 😂 About as annoying as getting out of being exiled from the planet after you kill the giant fish.

[@skycastrum5803]

@@KatrionaAvalonI just finished my first play-through. Framing the sith was the first thing I tried. Helped it was a dark side play through. I figured my character was still pro-Republic, so it just kinda fit.

[@eriklund8592]

As someone else mentioned, "thank god, another multi hour long analysis". And it is a video-essay for one of my favourite games ever! Never watched you before, but this was awsome.

[@aceykerr8752]

I'm not trying trying bribe you, but I'd pay for more content like this. Multi hour long breakdowns of classic games. This is brilliant.

[@SuperRADLemon]

Check my retrospectives on the channel

[@smkeybare]

2:10:15 I'm so glad you observed this! This is why I think RPG's with morality alignment systems should only trigger or apply to what you DO, not what you say.

[@d3ishere753]

Man you keep making what you enjoy. It really shows in how in depth you talk about these games. I hope Dragon Age Origins is on the list. If not I fully understand, but I feel like there is so much worth looking into.

[@613space8]

Was actually hoping to see an Origins video as well, I've played that game to death and based on his other retros I'd love to hear his opinions on the different themes and politics that take place in that game

[@FlyMontag]

I love listening to these! I find it relieving to hear someone talk about videogames who isn't trying to be such an edgelord all the time. You seem like a decent person and the sparse social commentary is always welcome (to me) and I appreciate that it doesnt feel preachy etc etc etc

[@SpitFir3Tornado]

This autoplayed while i was asleep and you were narrating my dream

[@8DeathFromBelow8]

Protip: You can skip the puzzle/fight with the replicating droids before Malak. Just bash the elevator door and follow him.

[@markl5998]

No way!!

[@SGR_Renegade]

I've recently started to discover retrospectives, and they are some of my favorite types of media. I will spend days consuming these. I am still early into this one, but love it already. Thanks for making these! I will be watching almost all of them. 💁🏼‍♂️😅

[@clayp6415]

Kreia had some of the best dialogue ive seen in a video game. Her entire story arc throughout kotor 2 is amazingly well done.

[@maddyc2412]

Her voice actress is phenomenal too, suits the character so well

[@JonCom3dy]

Dang. Never finished Kotor 2. Need to go back and do that

[@Bludgeoned2DEATH2]

I say this with so much eagerness, I cannot wait to watch the near 10 hour documentary on KOTORs 1 and 2 of yours, games I have spent probably hundreds of hours playing and replaying all the classes and force alignments. I anticipate with much giddiness all the awesome memories as I watch your videos 😍

[@ryankelly8428]

The arena quest in the first Fable game is also very fun! One of my favorite things each time I play through, I love testing out how different builds work and play in the arena.

[@DSzaks]

Just FYI for anyone unaware you can also use force drain (I'm told force stasis works as well but can't confirm that) to kill Jedi husks in the final Malak fight. Additionally after Malak drains the first one all the rest will be marked as hostile and can then be killed with almost any type of attack.

[@rafenord2]

Hey husk! You undead piece of shit! You’re my enemy now! Got that? Lightsaber away!

[@skycastrum5803]

Force storm works too. Even get BOGO when they were close enough together. Force drain line probably best though to help you top off. Funny turning the tables on Malak.

[@maddyc2412]

Force drain will give you their life energy and force storm will kill them so at least Malak can't use them

[@RandomPerson1313]

I think destroy droid works as well

[@kaitlyngarner740]

​@@RandomPerson1313destroy droid works so good on light side playthroughs because it uses so little force points so when you need some for the Malak fight, you'll have some leftover. You can make it so Malak has no jedi to take life from right after he heals the first time and you have the light side feelings of letting them become one with the force

[@bradlewis690]

KOTR is quite literally one of the greatest video games ever created

[@alexwatts1064]

Jade Empire's arena was really good, too. And it had some extra plot stuff thrown in.

[@NickInTheField]

Really? Now I gotta play it!

[@TrendyTrenty]

Dude I am so pumped for the Kotor 2 one. Immediate sub

[@adamjdavis201]

I love watching long form video essays on things I know I like to get other people's perspectives on it, what they like and don't like, and maybe get some insights into other things I might be interested in tangentially. Also gives me something to focus on for long stretches of time that I can't quite replicate with other things lately, love these videos. This one especially because Kotor may be the first game I fell in love with on a console other than my Gameboy and Pokemon. I got to borrow a cousin's Xbox and Kotor and I wish I could know how much time I spent on it and 2.

[@williammell845]

Weirdly enough I have always loved Taris and love to see how fast I can 100% every quest and dialogue option, and then get to Dantooine. Once on Dantooine though I end up liking only a few of the quests before happily moving on and enjoying every other planet. I think it feels like on Taris I have the freedom to do anything I want as I slowly gain the power and resources to leave. One I'm on Dantooine I am stuck and restricted to whatever I am being told to do by the Jedi Council, with no agency. And then once I am off Dantooine and on to any other planet I am again in the driver's seat making my own decisions and doing whatever my character thinks is best.

[@springheeljak145]

I really liked Taris too. And I enjoyed trying to get my face warped by the dark side before I even left, but it required doing every single quest and taking the most evil option for all of them.

[@mdube391]

thank you for the indepth content... this is one of the most underrated pair of rpg , I still find new info and gems every time I try a new playthrough

[@garyella1301]

I've been playing this game again but this time with a few mods installed, not gone crazy just a few things here and there and it's great how there is still a community for this game and how well it seems to hold up as a standard for games, despite some things being dated. Something about this game it has an infectious replayability to it. I'll be sure to watch this video over the course of the week as it seems even you have a lot to digest in it.

[@GyashC4]

I fell asleep with KZbin in the background, imagine my surprise when I wake up to find I’m exactly 2 hours and 54 minutes into a Star Wars documentary

[@tomasburian6550]

Never thought that even in this year someone would look back at this game. It's nice that even though I finished it several times, I've learned some new facts here. Btw, I'd love for you to analyze the Xenosaga trilogy because that one is DEEP with its lore and inspiration by Nietzsche's works and is overall a series of good games.

[@ericbess4477]

My favorite thing about Kotor on xbox was the ability to create a super jedi. It takes a while, depending on how far you want to advance your character, but it's worth it if you want to feel truly powerful. Max skills, feats, powers, and attributes as high as you want to make them. I think the furthest I ever maxed them was 80

[@twelvesevven4678]

You always know how to make me happy. I got tomorrow off of work and I wasn't too sure what I was gonna do with myself. If this is anywhere near the quality of your MH retrospectives, I'm looking forward to tomorrow way more than I was. I love finding channels that have similar interests as mine. Thanks, in advance, for being so consistently great with your content.

[@SuperRADLemon]

Enjoy!

[@pizzaman1891]

Love seeing retrospectives over my favorite game of all time.

[@Anynom]

Man, I love this game, still utter genius and gets better every time you play.

[@basm4]

A multi hour retrospective about a beloved video game by someone I've never heard of... I'm all in!!! A new subscriber

[@Xxbte96xX]

It's funny you mentioned the Oblivion ost when you spoke about the Manaan music because the composer for Oblivion also did the music for Kotor. And honestly you can kinda tell when you listen to them to back to back, very much his style.

[@FriendofFantasy]

I finally listened to the whole video besides playing it two times at night and then falling asleep during Taris.

[@tictacterminator]

oh no fucking way you did another retrospective I don't know how you do it you're probably one of the foremost authorities on MH in the western world and you're pumping out these longform reviews you and grimbeard are just like the two most criminally underrated dudes on the platform

[@Mockingdragon]

I have so many memories of KOTOR. This was the first game my brother ever played for me, because I wanted to do the RP parts but couldn't handle the combat (still can't, just not my jam lol). I remember so strongly the quest on Kashyyk, where you have to decide whether to allow the people to believe their hero died nobly or tell them the unsightly truth. I was SO SURPRISED when I got dark side points for preserving their hope and following the hero's wishes. It changed so much about my perspective of Star Wars and opened me up to question things, which only helped me engage with the fandom.

[@Heyimjosh]

My work day went by a lot better thanks to you. We will watch your career with great interest. Cheers

[@douglasgw1992]

fun story i played KOTOR 2 before KOTOR 1 it made the reval in KOTOR more of a mind blown moment because i was waiting to see Revan

[@silentsmokeNIN]

Damn. I'm kind of jealous of that reveal haha

[@ogelpeace4610]

This was a great video. As a major Star Wars fan who never played this, it was wonderful to see

[@Flumpadorus]

Something that doesn’t get mentioned often is that there is an option to have visas use a blade weapon on herself in order to weaken nihilis when fighting on his ship. As long as during the fight visas is equipped with a blade weapon, there will be an option in a cutscene for her to sacrifice herself to weaken nihilis.

[@SuperRADLemon]

Interesting, I didn't know this!

[@Miss_Trillium]

I sure look forward to watching this video, as I love any long form critique of my favorite game series of all time

[@xardiesn.o.o.b4971]

Look forward to the kotor 2 video, and yes taris is a pain, but I've been replaying two and yeah I feel like the mining station and the citidel/telos is a lot more of a slog because I like the flavor of taris with its multiple levels and types of people on it.

[@bradcarver8127]

Taris > Peragus/Telos

[@david-kc5hr]

The Malak fight drove me absolutely insane when I replayed kotor a year ago after not playing it for years. I tried playing a full dark side counselor, but he hits so hard and resists most force powers. I eventually gave up and made a light side jedi guardian where I used no force powers other than force heal, but I still failed because both characters didn't have the only force power that actually affected Malak whirlwind.

[@jamesbrannon5099]

I remember my go to for fighting every time was just to kite him around the arena, throwing my lightsaber at him when he's a safe enough distance away.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

As a Consular you're going to want Force Breach to take down his pesky resistance power, resistance isn't a bad power to take either if you have room. Plague is the best debuff in the game, the save is also so high it can't be resisted naturally.

[@basedgamer6624]

Jedi Guardian + Str focus + Master Speed + Force immunity + Energy Resistance = Op

[@alecdl98]

I'm not even halfway through this video yet, but I appreciate the immense effort put into this project. Long-form content like this is personally my favorite and it's made even better by the fact that I already love other retrospectives of the KOTOR series of similar length. This video will make a fine addition to my collection👍..... Alright just finished the video, great quality and a very in depth and fair analysis of KOTOR. Looking forward to KOTOR 2 as I enjoy that one far more than the first installment👌

[@SuperRADLemon]

Thank you, Lego Yoda

[@coltoneddy3169]

I literally just beat this game for the first time a couple days ago (on Switch). I loved every bit of it, I find myself playing old games rather than new even owning a Series X. I just started Kotor 2 wish me luck.

[@markl5998]

That's probably because alot of older games are better written,

[@TwitchyTango]

Now that I have finished the video I just want to say a job well done. Watching this had me start another playthrough. Keep up the brilliant work super rad

[@barstokians365]

Thank you for this retrospective! Truly a walk down memory lane. I can't wait for the one you do on TSL! I agree with you on liking that one more. It's refreshing to listen to someone who shares my ideas on both the Light Side and the Jedi. Always frustrates me. I know Lucas backed out on the concept that it's the Force, and then the Force's dark side which is a corruption. It still makes more sense to me, especially since the flaws of the Jedi are the flaws of mortals, not of the Force itself. Your opinion on Gray Jedi reminded me. I don't know if you've ever heard the Gray Jedi Code but it sounds to me like the most hilariously arrogant thing I've ever heard.

[@averagejoe5145]

There's another game that with a morality system that (from its in-game description) is comparable to Mass Effect's Paragon & Renegade system. That game is Jade Empire. Its morality system was SUPPOSED to have shades of gray in both like it does in Mass Effect, but Bioware didn't have such a good grasp on writing gray morality tales until the Dragon Age series & the Mass Effect Trilogy came along!

[@aurabullet4128]

I do love alignment systems in games. Even in a cartoonish level being able to impact a story and its outcome really is exciting to me and makes me want to play again. I feel more games could get away with it even if it is just a simple karma system.

[@MrCosinuus]

1:18 lorewise Juhani's test is indeed dubious, but game play wise, I like it a lot: On my first play through I chose the dark side and killed Juhani and later wondered about my last team member. I never got the last team member. Anyways, the devs probably realized they needed to make her evil/dark side but not unredeemable. How do you achieve that? Not easy.

[@sethledford9612]

I remember one time I fought Malik and it was literally me running away from him, planting mines and throwing grenades at Malik whenever he lost sight and aggro

[@madmoonrabbit]

The more I see people argue over the morality within Star Wars the more I see the same ancient arguments between Objective morality and Relative morality. It will always amaze me how often the people who argue against the idea of objective morality rail against it as childish and simplistic, and their edgy interpretations of what's good in the moment (framed as arbitrary perceptions) is somehow wise and complex. The wisdom of morality as "whatever I want it to be - whenever I want it to be - as long as I can justify it" - to me, is infinitely shallower and more immature, than the idea of what it truly good, and what is truly evil - causing a complex dance with what is desired and/or pragmatic. Even the most obvious idea that "balancing" the force is to enforce its appropriate use, and NOT some angsty idea that the force NEEDS evil misuse to somehow balance its existence - is utterly lost on the Phi 101 students who shake their fist at their parents' systems of morality. Back patting themselves for knowing how the world REALLY works. Oh well. There is a reason this line of argument continues today since time immemorial.

[@Rezikai]

preach it my friend, the light for good and the dark for bad,.. real world morality is best left on battlefields.. let the grey-jedi way die off as for me its as you say a contemporary justification.

[@skycastrum5803]

For what it’s worth, both sides are wrong. Morality is complex. There’s almost certainly always a “best” option. Enough factors exist in life that it would be nearly impossible for two decisions to have equal results. But it’s incredibly hubristic to think you’re the one with all the answers. Why should one person be trusted over another? If anyone ties a claim of objective morality existing to knowing what it is, they’re inherently untrustworthy.

[@skycastrum5803]

@@madmoonrabbit Think your claims need more reasoning. Solipsism and nihilism aren’t bad because they’re incorrect, but bad because of potential negative results from going down a line of thought which entertains them. Unrestrained skepticism does not mean deciding that nothing matters. Rather, it’s the refusal to ignore the fact that the unknown exists. (Also, nihilism isn’t a conclusion, but a question. It is a challenge to find meaning, not a call to act as if there is none.) That’s all a bit beside the point though. Note that another part of my previous response is that there is objective morality. So one should act in a way they think most likely matches. This is a safeguard against the tendencies you spoke of previously.

[@Onethonone]

What you said about liking Star Wars before, but this making you a real fan resonates with me. KOTOR (1) is one of my top 3 games of all time, and will always have a special place in my heart. 2 is good as well, but 1 edges it out barely. Revan is too good.

[@Michel-Y77]

2:09:47 I understand the frustration with gaining dark side points for the answers to the hologram on Kashyyyk. It confused me as a child when I first played it too but thinking about it over the years and getting a bit deeper into Star Wars lore I think in a place with a strong dark side history with an artefact from the Rakatan Infinite Empire that had slaves building the Star Forge and Kashyyyk's Shadowlands it's just a lean into the temptation of the dark side for any Jedi. Which is quite literally what "the force/dark side is strong" means. It is a mentally exhausting task to keep dark forces from corrupting you.

[@Miss_Trillium]

20 min in: not just historical for kotor, but gaming as a whole. Its up there in all time 'twists', like Samus being revealed to be a woman

[@thatkid11767]

Oh good, something for me to fall asleep to. The algorithm has done me a great service.

[@scroom1202]

Love is not the path to the dark side. The inability to let go is. You can love, and be loved, but when the time comes for what you love to die you must let it go.

[@dragonwaz]

The Jedi and the Sith come from an older group, the Je'dai The Je'daii Order was an ancient organization unified by its belief and observance of the Force on the planet Tython, in the galaxy's Deep Core. Focusing on maintaining a balance in the Force, a state to which Tython was itself hospitable, the Je'daii saw the Force as three aspects of a whole; the Ashla (Light), the Bogan (Dark), and the Bendu (balance). They saw this duality in the Force represented in the night sky of Tython in the form of two natural satellites; one bathed in light, the Ashla, another shrouded in darkness, the Bogan. In keeping with their view of balance, Je'daii who fell too far to either the light or dark were exiled to the respective moon to meditate until they returned to balance. The Jedi and Sith came from a war they won that then turned into a civil war that split them. The light side isn't actually inherently good and the dark side isn't inherently evil. Within the light side exists a law without compassion, within the dark side exists the purest emotions of love and the most righteous of fury's. To follow the light you must be an emotionless calm. To even defend the weak in righteous fury is to "fall" to the dark.

[@damightyshabba439]

Thanks SuperRAD. This prompted me to re-install KOTOR and have another bash at it. I completed it twice, but... hell, it's been years... time for some nostalga, eh? As a side note a few years ago I met a guy who would later become a very good friend. One of the things that made us friends was talking about KOTOR.... turns out, he had NO IDEA you could install crystals to enhance your light sabres.... I had to show him..... somehow he'd gotten a LONG way into the game without any "upgrades"!!!! Now, what I've never done is get past the tutorial of KOTOR II... so, whilst I watch this and re-play it, I'll be lining up a KOTOR II run as well... Can you import your original character across or not? I'm guessing no, if they are from different games studio's....

[@SuperRADLemon]

I don't believe so no, unfortunately

[@CrazyxEnigma]

If you've already started Kotor 2 by now feel free to ignore this comment but you decide what happens in the first game through a dialogue with one of the characters you meet in the prologue which was quite clever for the time imo.

[@JonCom3dy]

I'm replaying this game on iOS. I still love it 20 years later

[@ConnorMyG]

Slowly stopping and starting this video as I reach the same point during my first playthrough! It’s awesome being able to see what I missed on my dark side adventure!!!

[@SuperRADLemon]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@robertparker6280]

The droid fight in the Star Forge if you have the "Destroy Droid" force power, and if you have upped your force powers. You can EASILY desimate the droids. Bruh the "Destroy Droid" force power, you can kill (I think) 3 at once.

[@Gorvinhagen]

Yours is a criminally undersubbed channel. Your videos are all well made, unpretentious and in-depth. Thanks for the content.

[@SuperRADLemon]

Thank you!

[@MadnessHEROReverend]

I always disagreed about the whole darkside points for killing Bendak. He is himself a murderer, and his bounty is a government contract. Bendak is more than willing to kill anyone who will step into the dueling ring with him. I find it akin to finding and getting rid of the Mandalorian crusaders on Dantooine.

[@rakino4418]

I think the idea is you're participating in and profiting from bloodsport in the form of a deathmatch

[@MadnessHEROReverend]

@rakino4418 True, there should be an option to decline the Bounty Rewards

[@EdgeOf1996]

2022 and we're still getting long form in depth videos made about this game. I've seen so many at this point and still insta-click whenever I see one.

[@danmounfield7431]

I can't explain why but these essay like reviews are definitely a vibe!

[@SuperRADLemon]

Glad you think so!

[@koraegi]

I love hour long video essays on games and kotor But man this shows up in my feed at least once a day

[@SuperRADLemon]

My b

[@TheDarkmore]

Best star wars RPG experience for sure.

[@unchrassimatic]

Between this and the Fallout videos, I am now fully obsessed with your channel. Here’s hoping we get massive analyses of Force Unleashed, Outer Worlds, and every other fallout game that isn’t 76 :)

[@jacobtuttle4311]

I can confirm that the enemies that are sent after you in the star forge do eventually end, even on the highest difficulty.

[@SuperRADLemon]

That's honestly good to know ty

[@andrewbowen2837]

After how long? Because I was there for at least 30 minutes before I decided to try looking around

[@Kalleosini]

I like your critique of the ending. most people will say taris is too long, but I've never heard anyone say the apology to malak was weak or that ask that we completely gloss over the fact that you started the war, even if you lost your memory and helped end it. especially considering your memories are returning gradually throughout the game.

[@Madadader]

Imagine if at the very end after you save Bastilla the Jedi Council relegates it as "another test for yourself and Bastilla" that "went over well". The ultimate trolls.

[@CrazyxEnigma]

I head canon that's how Zhar and Vandar looked at it. Not Vrook though he's a douche.

[@Island-RC]

I would say Jolee did not expect you to spare the poachers as he knows all about your past and finds this interesting.

[@luisyanez6261]

I love how the dogmatic debate about how the force works from a theological stanpoint is not a debate within the star wars universe but is whitin the fandom. With things like grey jedi and the like

[@mynameisNeo369]

Youre right about the Jedi and the Sith. The light became as such to counter the corruption of the depths of darkness. But the force itself, is balance. Revan walked that line between light and dark like no other and thats why he's one of my favorite characters. Excellent retrospective! Cant wait to start the second one

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Juhani is a higher rank in the Jedi order than you are lol... also you can only romance her if you're a female character.

[@dstinnettmusic]

I am pretty sure that isn’t true. I’ve romanced her before as a male character.

[@dstinnettmusic]

Just looked it up, and apparently this was a glitch in early versions of the game. She was written as a lesbian, but I apparently triggered the glitch on my initial playthrough on the OG Xbox.

[@billyleho7839]

Man Superrad you have no idea how long I've been waiting for someone to do a thorough retrospective of KOTOR. Thank you!!

[@SuperRADLemon]

Glad I could help!

[@Miss_Trillium]

The salt factory did as well, but man do I love finding passionate smaller channels

[@stannisthemannis8694]

every time i watch something about starwars i always come out hearing that lucasarts is the best company in the world. they give so much creative freedom and always look after the people they work with

[@RiriSion]

I love the way you think about the "good side" ending. This is precisely why I feel like the dark side ending is the most suited to our character ... If you think about it, even if you spend the whole game doing good and earning light points, the revelation of you being lied to by everyone you considered like the good guys should make you snap, and fall to the dark side again. Just after that you end up on THE sith planet, when you can discover everything there is to the dark side, go and fight Bastila who just conviniently for you joined the dark side, and then you get to kill your old apprentice, get revenge on the jedis, get the girl in the end and feel very good about it all. I actually really enjoyed that ending. The light side one is very much like you described it, leaving a bitter taste. I fully understand why this is the cannon ending, but it's not the one that felt the most "realistic" to me.

[@ryu411]

It’s a shame this game has like 3 tracks that play ad nauseam. The background music of this video was giving me panic attacks from how I was reminded of how repetitive it was! 😅 I totally agree with your critique of Taris and Dantooine. In fact, I gave up on my first play through after Dantooine because it was getting borderline chore-like to push forward. I’m glad I picked it backed up a few months ago. I love that you can play a decent amount of OG Xbox games on the XSX! Phenomenal retrospective!

[@robertharris6092]

Each planet area has its own theme that plays in the BG. Thats like. 15 pieces. Ontop of music from various story moments.

[@jarredlucas4000]

You are a fucking npc man, feel bad.

[@sagenod440]

Long time KOTOR fan here, recently started playing modded (on my second playthrough now). I love it and after my current KOTOR playthrough I’ll move on to modded TSL. On the matter of Taris, what keeps it fresh for me is difficult mode at level 2

[@rakino4418]

Do you try to keep all possible jedi at low levels? Such as Carth?

[@keatonchurchill4034]

Does Jolee knowing you were Revan from the beginning, recontextualize his choice to come with you? I feel like that wildly changes his motivations of joining you either lightside or dark side path

[@DBArtsCreators]

He does explain his motivations in his "farmer & the viper" story. He believes he is leading you away from the wrong path (perhaps his responsibility because he didn't try the first time you passed through Kashyyyk). He just wonders if you'll end up biting like the viper does when you eventually learn the truth, and if he can stop you before you take such a bite.

[@maddyc2412]

He does because if you reveal it to him later on he says something along the lines of " so what? I've known that the whole time we've been together"