CS:GO - Does the Deagle need Changing?

[@tingispingis]

Crazy how the deagle has a slightly higher accuracy than the USP but when you actually shoot the deagle it feels like you're firing blanks and the USP feels like a laser

[@h38-m9e]

Could be due to the increased magazine size and rate of fire on the USP

[@Fabianwew]

Yeah, this is weird. The USP seems way more tight in groupings.

[@chillpill1266]

probably because u have to wait like 2 seconds for the recoil on the deagle to decay meanwhile usp has like no recoil

[@paul1234730]

That's due to horrible recoil recovery

[@7orque]

Recoil and ROF - USP and the .45 has much less and the game reflects that nicely.

[@keilerbie7469]

still clips through the players hands when equipping so it's clearly terrible.

[@kanevanutrecht]

@@AxxLAfriku i think old cheese isnt as good as thr young cheese

[@Orbitthemaster]

*_COMPLETELY UNPLAYABLE™_*

[@bimmer8602]

My bols smell like cheese

[@some-replies]

@@AxxLAfriku oh shit, it's you!

[@davitdavid7165]

It also has no lighting on some parts and an interesting reload.

[@LangerLax]

Valve´ll be like: "so what you´re suggesting is.... more cases?"

[@zedaddy3530]

No

[@crunchyribs8403]

"Please listen to us, the deagle is too rng based, we shouldn't have that in a competetive gam-" "Alright, Case it is then"

[@zedaddy3530]

@@crunchyribs8403 nope

[@crunchyribs8403]

@@zedaddy3530 good argument

[@zedaddy3530]

@@crunchyribs8403 too true, actually

[@PROXY-DNB]

Everyone saying “2 shot kill” I’m always getting “89 in 2” lmao

[@foxmccould1]

abdominal gang

[@fenixspider5776]

same :/

[@1x5x7]

it's about 80 damage in 3 from range

[@mihaialin7934]

Me too fuck that shit

[@aleeq9662]

Meanwhile me: 20 in 10

[@mrzuniga98]

Just like BOT Brad would say: No.

[@hecunotmakingalogisquad5785]

alright you got me

[@Dzonnyg]

Negative

[@ericcai1414]

@@Dzonnyg Affirmative

[@S1337P]

No my friend

[@xiegalo253]

CSGO Fbi : "It's better than making a mistake"

[@lagomorph32]

**Laughs in R8 Revolver** / **Cries in R8 Revolver**

[@folou9199]

before / after patch

[@mvnkycheez]

I really REALLY wish they would improve that delay because otherwise the gun is pretty fun. I actually landed a moving headshot collateral last week with it 😂

[@drschwandi3687]

In my opinion the R8 is better than a lot of people think. There is just no pro who is used to the weapon because the deagle is that strong.

[@Sandman-ge8jz]

@@drschwandi3687 I don't think pros are a good reference, I've always liked the AUG and only in recent years did pros start using it. Obviously I don't want to trash pros, but there is like a restrictive mindset in them that allows them to only use certain weapons.

[@lagomorph32]

@@8stormy5 The R8 has the same levels of inconsistency at range, unless you're crouching. I use it all the time and at long range it's just RNG.

[@4g0ttn45]

Whenever I see a 3kliks video I have a huge smile and know I will be entertained and learn something new. Thats a rare quality not many KZbinrs are able to achieve. Thanks Philip.

[@Sebastian-qh4ws]

I agree he got me into game dev and music.

[@biko9824]

Thanks Philip for me too.

[@sintervinter7233]

And im entertained with his voice

[@SilentS0lid]

Same. And I don't even play csgo :)

[@honkerbonker1874]

@@Sebastian-qh4ws He is the reason my current career goal is to make an indie game.

[@wilmereneris6254]

Summary: Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.

[@MidnightBloomDev]

I See You're a Man of Culture

[@Expanses02]

Valve be like :

[@swooples]

This meme took me back, thanks

[@huyphamuc6372]

conclusion: hiko was a n 0 0 b

[@xehP]

best csgo copypasta

[@sagoluyorum_zaten]

I quit playing CS years ago but I still watch philip's videos, I dunno why. I think this is how it happens when youtubers make high quality videos.

[@illusive5829]

I watch Philip and war owl’s vids and I don’t even play cs. Just shows how good of ytbers they are

[@xingyanglan6836]

@@illusive5829 same lmao

[@DaRealBruner]

I haven't ever expressed an interest in CS:GO. The one time I downloaded it was so I could have a handful of CS:Source's content for Garry's Mod when it became free. Somehow, I get invested in Kliksphilip's videos about CS:GO though.

[@zerosixteen.4644]

I play 1.6 but I watch him

[@wm1573]

It's also because Cs and valve things just are interesting and nostalgic in a way in general. I especially love the map videos

[@diel6755]

"primary issue people have with this gun is accuracy" Me: *remembered how i kept getting shot in the head from far away with a deagle

[@folou9199]

basically, be reminded that it isn't their aim that was good on these shots, it was the shot innacuracy placing the shot on your 30 cm dinner plate by pure RNG

[@waltertownshend5662]

@@folou9199 "it isn't their aim that was good on these shots" but it is about aiming, ppl used to say the same thing about ak's accuracy and that it isn't accurate enough to one tap consistently when in reality they just cannot aim. With the deagle you have to aim almost perfectly at the center of an opponent's head and still at long range you would hit 50% of your shots at best, so you need good movement too.

[@unlimited8410]

@@waltertownshend5662 What I find bad about the deagle compared to the ak for one-tapping, is that even though the deagle has a better accurate range than the ak, you have less shots and a bigger recovery time coupled with devastating movement accuracy loss which makes it so frustrating to use.

[@bruhmomentum8718]

@@unlimited8410 just only play mirage and you'll be fine

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@unlimited8410 dont miss then 4head

[@HOUNGOUNGAGNE69]

High risk, High reward. There's no risk in spraying randomly around the chest and killing in 2 shots. Valve pls fix

[@fireaxe9931]

yes hungongon

[@revathi15]

H

[@ker--ker--kerr]

I remember what you said in your video.

[@harambe8302]

why are u not verified?

[@TeleportingBread161]

pls gib smoool accuracy buff - just a bit pls :)

[@WokeDiogenes]

Screw all this discussion all i want valve to do is make the deagle not clip through my fingers. Valve pls fix.

[@SpunkMayo]

*magazine through my fingers

[@TheUltraseal]

@@SpunkMayo Not magazine through his finger?

[@SpunkMayo]

@@TheUltraseal yes

[@VictorHugo-ik8vh]

@@SpunkMayo you did the funny, good job!

[@2911oscar]

all weapons clip through the model

[@thekeerok]

Doesn´t matter how accurate it is, if I miss with it it is clearly the weapons fault (: good video

[@catlord69]

but I have to say, that it is at least disappointing to aim on the head and not get a kill...like what more are you supposed to do ?

[@garfield3764]

@@catlord69 crouch or go closer.

[@hvrst6241]

Nah, deagle moved the crosshair by 2 nanopixel before a shot, that's why it misses while pertectly on the head

[@durchfaII]

Valve plz fix

[@catlord69]

@@garfield3764 Honestly, I wouldn't know it without this video. I would consider it as a bug. I'm not hating anything/anyone, but it appeals to me like a bug.

[@ChickenCrazy7]

"which works against literally everything we have learnt in fps games" laughs in spartan laser

[@NickDaGamer1998]

Laughs in Serious Cannon

[@DoctorGalactor]

Laughs in charge rifle

[@lukabrasi001]

@@DoctorGalactor you beat me

[@d0phyte]

Laughs in cow mangler

[@randomcatdude]

laughs in Tau Cannon

[@dredgeglyph6191]

This reminds me so much of the Ambassador from Team fortress 2. It used to be accurate all ranges and do a critical hit at any range, which is 102 damage but only if you hit the head, which people started complaining about, seeing that sniper should be the only class viable at longer ranges. They they made the critical hit on headshot fall off massively and significantly nerfed its range. Its trash, but it does remind me of the deagle in its current state, and the state it will most likely stay in. Idk just something cool wanted to see if anyone else thought of the amby.

[@zxvc849]

welp im sniper main (2k+ hrs in game) and i havent played pc games for months but i remember how they nerfed this gun. Its very horrible, i lost my favorite enemy. Deagle is RNG + skill based and it can hit hard if u get lucky but amby is skillbased only but prolly cuz crybabies cried cuz they got pwned by fellow gunspies it got nerfed to the ground. Really surprising for sure. Sniper does -150 min HS damage but basically can one shot everyone and the only good counter to snip was gunspy with amby. Sure, spies can use stock revolver but if i have a pocket medic its just not enough damage. I rly miss dueling with good gunspies. Amby requires alot of skill and gives almost no reward.

[@dredgeglyph6191]

@@zxvc849 dude I totally agree with you. It was ridiculously hard to get consistently good with the many because you cant zoom in like sniper and you have to hit such a small hitbox. Additionally, the many was existing peacefully for 7 years until valve decided to nerfed it and everyone suddenly started talking about how it deserved the nerf.

[@justincruz8050]

Hey, another team fortress junky with 2k hours. I think the amby nerf was warranted and the parallel you make between that and the CS deagle is interesting. I think a big part of the amby was most certainly the skill disparity between the highest level league players and the average one. When pushed to its limit, the ambassador completely morphed the class into something else, making more of an impact on a team as another sniper/ squishy dps which was especially impactful in community modes like highlander. On an average server, it was a skill cannon with gratifying potential, but one 100k hour player rolls up and suddenly the spy is someone else entirely

[@Mebble]

@@justincruz8050 well seeing as in those competitive settings spy is by far the worst class in the game and its not even close, it makes sense that a high skill weapon would give him a buff.

[@theodordalene438]

I loved that revolver

[@SgtAbramovich]

Simple fix for the revolver: You can cock the gun by holding Mouse 2 before shooting to keep it ready. It still has the disatvantage of needing to be cocked, but at least now it's useful.

[@robinbernardinis]

Or make it shoot when you release M1 so you can hold it indefinitely

[@mrratchet]

That's actually an interesting idea to be honest.

[@MrAsed4]

This would essentially make it an unscoped scout in the secondary slot. I imagine that would bring even more balance/weapon role debates.

[@Elitx]

@@Nelex5000 it actually cocks over and over but doesnt shoot so it can fire as soon as it needs to (source : hvh) they are proposing that when you hold mouse 2, it cocks and stays in the cocked position until released (i.e changing your mind about shooting) or pressing M1 to shoot without having to cock it (already cocked). basically like in call of duty how you have to hold the Aim key to ads, then the Fire key to actally shoot

[@mlghassan]

@@Nelex5000 u good vro?

[@JuliusBriggs]

this is basically just some dude ranting politely on reddit and 3kliksphilip pulling out the spreadsheet to show how you argue with facts and data

[@discreader]

destroyed with facts and logic

[@arthuralvesdefreitas1783]

Well, not really. IMO phillip explained why solving this problem is harder than it seems. Accuracy is alright, the 2 shot spray, not so much.

[@TheIziPizi]

@@arthuralvesdefreitas1783 good luck shotting those two shots before you are ded

[@laster3753]

@@TheIziPizi shooting* Also man I can give you a frag movie about my enemies 2 shot-ing me while I get -94 in 4 hits xD feelsbadman.

[@arthuralvesdefreitas1783]

@@TheIziPizi seems like you haven't played CS in a while.

[@pitivan3895]

Right click pull hammer back, left click shoot. Revolver needs that.

[@chickenchaser3577]

I like that idea !

[@harambe8302]

hey that's a good idea!

[@storm209e]

Underated comment.

[@harambe8302]

someone copy this and spam it so everyone will hear about this

[@Meminjo]

i literally had the same idea watching the video. Definitely better than the panic button it currently is.

[@Shadic108]

I don’t even play CSGO anymore, I just like watching Philip

[@WreveAU]

This is a mood tbh

[@isee7283]

same

[@7ethargy]

furies stink slit vertically

[@Wab2007]

Furry

[@ИванИванов-о5м4й]

Silence furry

[@NooControllerIzPmA]

Ah, the 700$ close range shotgun. No shot/pellet spread, but imagining it was a slug gets the job done..... and it's cheaper than an actual shotgun. Great spam, much click +approve

[@idontanimategoreanymore1138]

Don’t shotguns usually do maximum of 200+ in close range?

[@be_happy6679]

I'd love for the revolver to become an actually useful alternative again. It's such a cool weapon! Just kinda useless at the moment..

[@michaualtington]

its actually extremely good at lower ranks, u can strafe for free

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

Makes left click more instant. It takes so long to shoot. Also make ah 553 fire rate like the ak only reduce the rod when scoped. Same with aug tbh. Because I see no point in buying these guns

[@eX1st4132]

id like a nerfed fire rate at the cost of no delay between left click and the shots

[@DonRigoberto]

I've always liked revolvers, something about their design makes me love them. It's sad that the revolver went from being a broken OP mess, to a far worse alternative to the deagle.

[@QuackerHead-j]

It's great for wallbanging. Prefiring positions and... Running and gunning. And if you can tag a few people with it in pistol round your teammates can finish the job with EZ bodyshot kills.

[@charliehalliwell2238]

Aww thought this was gonna be another L4D2 video

[@PlasmaCassidy]

heheheheh, he liked your comment.

[@luck7302]

@@PlasmaCassidy heheheheh I liked your comment

[@CornedFrogs]

Atleast the spinning man in my game can hit the shots

[@generalpeeps]

I've been saying for ages, remove the first shot delay for the revolver and increase its moving inacuracy. Boom high risk high reward pistol that rewards accuracy and is useless without either headshotting or having info that the enemy is low.

[@pico4996]

it has really good accuracy while moving with a delay to compensate. As long as you can track the enemy its great

[@generalpeeps]

@@pico4996 the problem there is that at higher skill levels the trigger delay is longer than it takes a decent player to kill you with most weapons at most ranges.

[@josedorsaith5261]

Trigger delays feel awful. The 412 Rex in early BF4 had the same delay and nobody wanted to use it as a result

[@testname4464]

It's also exactly how double-action/single-action revolvers work irl (which is what the R8 is). For the best first shot accuracy, you cock the hammer so your first trigger pull is crisp and short, and follow-up shots end up being slower and less accurate because you now have to reset the hammer and fire the gun with the trigger itself

[@MsDestroyer900]

Isn't that just... The deagle? What's the risk too? It's 700 dollars

[@nfwrambo]

I still love the r8 just because I find it hilarious whenever I manage to snipe someone on the pistol round

[@9k111]

Same

[@nichtfurdich3502]

I will equip it 😢😂

[@ilyasbasuki3207]

I've permanently switched out the Deagle for the Revolver. It sucks, yeah, but there's no bigger flex than outsniping a sniper with a slow-ass pistol.

[@tameronica]

The r8's primary fire is actually hilariously accurate. You don't even have to crouch to get the full accuracy of it like the deagle. I swear if I shot that thing into the sky, it'd probably hit someone in the head in another server

[@joachimgorka9279]

@@tameronica did you watch the video?

[@faolor6468]

Well the animations definitely need a change, the fingers clipping through the gun are the reason I keep missing my shots.

[@goblin5305]

"R8 works against literally everything we've ever learned" *laughs in BFG tracers*

[@dracmeister]

Funny thing about it, is that I don't think it was meant to be even intended to be THAT delayed. Because no one expected to turn away from the enemies(or turn to) after letting out the shot. Quake 2's BFG I think was more of the intended effect than a fancy delayed 20-pellet shotgun.

[@mvnkycheez]

I honestly quite like the r8 but i wish they would improve it, like doing what phillip suggests by shifting the delay after the shot

[@IDyn4m1CI]

*Fires into the wall then go out into the open so that the gun can kill the enemies*

[@Martin-ys4sr]

@@mvnkycheez Like literally what Counter Terrorist operative from the fucking GIGN would run around with any kind of revolver NOT COCKED?!

[@britishthought4018]

Here comes Philip to decide my opinions for me. In the future I plan to have him decide all my opinions /s

[@DravicPL]

Drop the /s to buff your opinion.

[@drumboarder1]

Ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you were being sarcaaaaaastiiiiic OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@HeinousAnusOG]

i don't know though, we should still be focusing on getting Valve to pay proper attention to the sheer amount of cheaters in Prime right now. it's absolutely shameful. we need a specific way to vet through Prime matches in particular. i don't give a crap about the slough that has become regular F2P MM. wastes my time to do overwatches for them. i want to know that i'm cleaning up Prime, instead of making absolutely no difference to the quality of matches we run into.

[@kaushikraikar1105]

A decent buff to the revolver would be to reverse the mechanics, it shoots as soon as you left-click, but then it takes time to pull the hammer back, making it a sniper as people want the Deagle to be.

[@aphenmcdonald6196]

Wow a 30 centimeter dinner plate, thats literal gold. Well played Phillip.

[@folou9199]

tbh I never have actually thought that a human head is about 30 cm wide and tall. that may be a joke that all but the dev team asking for what size a human head target would be have missed for... is it 7 years now?

[@wgcdrelliot8989]

YES. I PROPOSE DUAL WIELDING DEAGLE. FIGHT ME

[@bowzerk2714]

call of duty

[@biko9824]

Cost +100% Recoil +75% Accuracy -60% Reload time +80% Fire rate +100%

[@GregorianMG]

Double the cost Double the ammo Double the fire rate Triple the reload time Half the accuracy recovery at third shot Triple the recoil xD

[@Gueppelol]

we should be able to buy every weapon in dual wielding

[@kfr0sti]

mussolini?

[@pr1nc026]

I wanna make it 100% accurate, spammable, 2 hit kill, but costs 16000...and maybe an extended mag and an acog EDIT: maybe a grenade launcher, a side laser flashlight combo, a tactical stock, a silencer, and make the sound effect as loud as possible so even with the silencer it makes the shot sound like a garand ping, but with a silencer and very earrapy

[@secondstallion2888]

Add an RPG costing 16k ..

[@tweed8124]

the autosniper is quite close to that

[@HIRUMA59290]

@@secondstallion2888 that could be really lol

[@tomcat_1484]

@@secondstallion2888 They added the molotov back from the Gearbox version of CS:CZ, why not also the suicide vest, and rpg?🤔

[@shivanshshuks]

This isn't CoD brother

[@The6698Clown]

Just noticed the hammer never moves when firing the weapon in slow-mo, valve pls fix

[@unleashthedog]

Well done mentioning CS:S, that’s definitely when the DEagle was a uber-gun… when I switched to CSGO I stopped using it for a long time. My standard buy in CS:S was often DEagle+Scout… with the pistol used as primary weapon! If I didn’t one-tap someone, I would use the scout for the second shot, often unscoped (thanks to the similarity in the weapon position to the rifles in DoD I was pretty good at using it unscoped)

[@tatin__]

Those are the type of videos by you I like the most. Even two years later you can watch it back and relearn some interesting aspect of CSGO. Great job

[@yodoge6663]

"cuz everyone else who isn't so lucky isn't Keen to posting it" r/wallstreetbets has entered the chat

[@namantejaswi5723]

Yoloing on options still safer than yoloing on Deagle

[@gabriell04032]

@@namantejaswi5723 What is a degale

[@rodrigopadilha5682]

Keanu reeves big chungus wholesome 100 minecraft good fortnite bad chonker reddit moment

[@rodrigopadilha5682]

@@snowwsquire how is this a meme?

[@rodrigopadilha5682]

@@snowwsquire its a insult

[@Elias_a95]

People want the deagle to be 100% accurate so that they can hit an accurate headshot accross the map only when THEY are using it. But when they get killed by such a shot. They’ll complain about it and say that it need to be nerfed.

[@8Delian8]

I would want that and I wouldn't complain about it. Why? Because skill is involved, not luck. I can do to them exactly what they can do to me. It's a fair fight. And not as easy to pull off.

[@biltongandboba]

Very true.

[@JustSluipere]

this man is right. nothing else to add here

[@QuanPham-es2cz]

@@8Delian8 Say that to 2015 awp

[@sety5591]

@@8Delian8 I'm a silver and I admit that I use SMG for long range, because? because I didn't take account of "weapon range" in my weapon skills. So do you want to buff Deagle's range to help silver like me? forget about range, just shoot?

[@WhiteDragon103]

Personally I'd like to see first shot accuracy doubled across the board. The unforgiving hitbox sizes make enough near miss situations as it is.

[@Thompsonnumber4]

I love these videos. Dressing gown and laundry drying in the background, then spreadsheets of raw CSGO analysis. Refreshingly human and real. Thanks!

[@martluca_]

Next up: Why the ambassador is the worst gun to pick when playing spy.

[@eX1st4132]

@UCxJcLZDQkNVvtIPz-WTstkg its worse than the stock revolver unless youre killing a class under 90 hp at close range, at which point you could just 3 shot them with stock.

[@eX1st4132]

it really is though.

[@huupoke]

@@eX1st4132 I (have to) use it to counter the annoying razorback snipers.

[@syntax2679]

Letranger:, offers invaluable utility in extended cloak duration Diamondback: OP af, you get rewarded for playing spy as you should be playing spy with little to no downside Stock: great damage output at close to mid range Enforcer: the real worst spy revolver

[@eX1st4132]

@@huupoke you could use the enforcer. its just straight up better than the amby. still a shit gun though

[@Halottr07]

does no one remember the update they did that nerfed the Deagle, everyone went crazy! "dont change the deagle!" so they changed it back to what it is now. Now its not good enough. Volvo cant win

[@VV-qo7ee]

Silver reddit knowitalls. They want an OP pistol because they suck with real rifles. For 700$ you shouldnt get more than what you get now with the current deagle. For me it's fine

[@rafayali7283]

Remember when they broke it with jumping accuracy? B porch on mirage ct side was my eco/forcebuy go-to lmao

[@takeachance5881]

2bh, as long as Deagle maintains current headshot ability while removing the stupid double torso shot kill even with armor, it's good. It seems Sloth's change is aiming for that specifically.

[@pimp2570]

Yeah i'd love that, i hate people running around with deagle in CQB and then two shotting you. It's like a handheld autosniper when you're lucky

[@ТимофейЛебедев-с4в]

Remember Source's Deagle, even after the steampipe update it was powerful.

[@Donmegamuffin]

Im somebody who has desperately tried to make the revolver my default gun, but the fact it takes longer to shoot, and is less accurate whilst standing is practically a death sentence for it :(

[@crashniels]

Don't forget the server issues. Standing right in front of an enemy and the bullet going through him even though he is afk

[@BansaiMont3l]

Aint nobody made fun of his cute socks ( 2:21 ) yet? Philip, you do have the nicest people of the whole cs go community!

[@judechauhan6715]

Just watch Astralis use deagles. Masterclass in how to use that weapon and win rounds that you shouldn’t.

[@l8n217]

aka aim body and spam m1

[@dub-jscrub-j2762]

Are you telling me... the Tec-9 is more accurate than the AK-47?

[@rookie2128]

Always has been

[@lucas_nto]

@@rookie2128 🔫

[@Chazistired]

tec 9 is a pocket sniper n anyone that disagrees is silcer lmfao

[@Doomguy1364]

I personally like your idea of 4 shot body shot at any range, I feel that would reward people for aiming, instead of of just crouching and clicking as fast as they can

[@Bloodlinedev]

The one tap head is fine but the body shots should be far far less damaging than a rifle. The times I've been killed by Deagle spam while having a rifle... I'm also not a huge fan of damage dropoff. Yes, it's a game but this is unintuitive as heck.

[@zobr0s77]

I only have 200hours in cs in 3 years of gaming. But i watch all of your videos even if it is related to the games i play or not. There is something about your voice and way of transferring information that i dont find anywhere else on youtube Philip

[@sweatygenius]

You blew my mind with the fact that the 1.6 deagle was less accurate than the GO deagle. I've played so much 1.6 and before watching this I could have sworn under oath that the 1.6 deagle was better. Maybe I just suck at CS now :P

[@zerophoenix8312]

It is less accurate, but more spammable, it wasnt made for accurate shooting since the beginning. The only accurate pistol in 1.6 is the usp, or km.45 tactical

[@zerophoenix8312]

@@Nelex5000 Thats because in 1.6 every weapon have 4~5 different spray patterns, also the accuracy system back then is totally differnet. If you went spraying like in csgo then it will be mostly depends on your luck, but tapping and bursting is very consistent. I would say 1.6 is more skill-based than csgo, it just takes painful amount of time to learn. If you want to hit some shots with AK, do single tap only.

[@zerophoenix8312]

@@Nelex5000 Not sure if you ever put some effort into understanding the game, because tapping and bursting are the only ways to land shots on target consistently in 1.6. Hold control and drag your mouse down will get you no where.

[@zerophoenix8312]

@@Nelex5000 I did watch it, and Im still not sure which part of the video gives you this idea

[@zerophoenix8312]

@@Nelex5000 I did watch that video before, thats because there's an old glitch forces the weapon to calculate accuracy based on last bullet fired earlier, no matter the time between each shots. And thats why you see people do quick switch to regain accuracy.

[@linkkokiri2000]

In Lower Ranks the Deagle is often even used like an SMG, with players just running and spamming shots aimed to the body. This is often pretty effective as you only need to hit 2/7 shots which is why I think they should reduce its base damage quite a bit.

[@sRetailStoreMusic]

Git gud

[@WreveAU]

@@sRetailStoreMusic well most of the players in the game are in the lower two thirds of the matchmaking rank system. So if Valve wants to prevent their game from dying commercially (which they definitely do) then this type of change would definitely be warranted. Not to mention that reducing the base damage of the Deagle could only encourage more skillful play at higher ranks

[@sRetailStoreMusic]

@@WreveAU read above

[@WreveAU]

@@sRetailStoreMusic fair play I guess :shrug:

[@GamersStandUnitedClan]

Reduce the base damage of a .50 action express?

[@mathildadeer]

If you want a Scout, buy a Scout. The Deagle isn't supost to be a laser accurate rifle, capable of consistantly 1 tapping from across the map. The Deagle is a $700 PISTOL that already has better accuracy than most rifles. If you're missing your shots against a stationary target, it's because you are too far away to make precise shots with anything that doesn't have a scope. Scoped guns are intentionaly the only consistantly accurate guns at long range, everything else is designed for closer distances. The Deagle is intended to be a close to mid range semi automatic pistol, not a bolt action rifle

[@karbide_]

Imagine being that one CT that invests in a full buy with kevlar+helmet, M4, full utility and a kit for 5900$ just to do -98 in 4 to a T buying deagle armor for 1350$ that deals -112 in 2

[@folou9199]

and after that he gets your molly and M4, too.

[@birtalanlorant5572]

Imagine being that trash that you have to get so close with your M4 in order to hit shots that a deagle will 2 shot you to the stomach, at that moment youre basically sucking on the gun barrel of the deagle.

[@Skrixm]

@@birtalanlorant5572 You can't play long range angles everytime, you're gonna have to play close sometimes or ur gonna be too predictable.

[@birtalanlorant5572]

@@Skrixm If you run up that close to an enemy rocking a deagle, without flashing him, or lighting them on fire, you misplayed, and should have gotten the kill earlier, with your superior ROF, mag, and utility.

[@ryanrigley2558]

@@birtalanlorant5572 I mean... corners are a thing...

[@willseagon3314]

the reason i love cs so much is because of content like this. Genuinely makes aspects of the game i wouldnt have thought about before become interesting.

[@redz2d]

I was on looking at this on the subreddit. I feel like he might not be as skilled as he claims to be seeing he didn't take into account how someone gets close enough to a rifle and not aiming for head height with a rifle, making it clear that you need at least 5 bullets to kill a Deagle Player, when at max you would need 2-3 in the higher ranks.

[@blueyandicy]

For real, who aims for body shots with a rifle in global? Redditors talking out of their ass as always

[@Ultra289]

So 8 years after csgo release ppl realize they want a nerf of the deagle?

[@WreveAU]

Same thing happened with the Krieg and AUG... no one knew how busted they were until a certain meta came along (although with the Krieg and AUG there was definitely a helping hand from Volvo)

[@Ultra289]

@@WreveAU well,a big amount of ppl including myself actually knew how good those 2 German Guns were (even on css),and everything was ok,no one cried about them for years ,but becuase pros started using those weapons more often and they started to get killed more often by those guns they started to cry about it,and unfortunately pros have that power to change the mind of lot of ppl ,if they say x thing is bad ,then everyone ll say its bad just someone popular said it,ofc if the gun is very underused again,valve ll make a little Buff (at least to the sg) to It but lot of time have to pass to make that happen Its interesting to mention that both of those 2 guns were buffed at the same time but 1 caused the problem before the other and that the aug Nerf was less harsh than the SG one I seriously cant understand the community sometimes ,i cant even imagine what d have happened if valve never touched those 2 weapons

[@TmanT321]

It's people bitching because pros are good with the gun, so other people learn to use it and people complain about getting killed all the time by "non meta" guns. Just because you didn't get killed by an AK or M4 doesn't mean the gun you DID get killed with is unbalanced. If valve wanted us to only use the AK and M4 they would just have only those rifles in the game.

[@gale7682]

@@Ultra289 You forget how much the game had changed since 2012. P250 used to have 1 hit hs, cz was 300$, tec 9 run spam, five seven had only 1 recovery value. The problem back then wasn't the deagle but the other pistols so valve nerfed pretty much every good pistol except deagle. Now they actually buffed it so that inaccuracy after landing didn't take 2 seconds so you can even jump and land without having to wait. So the comparison to aug/sg is not that good as ak/m4 were barely changed except for m4a1s nerfs but even then you could just pick a4 instead. Deagle was never seen op as other pistols were seen far more op but sg/aug was never seen op because not many had even tried them (I did since source).

[@Ultra289]

@@gale7682 actually that buff of the deagle got nerfed

[@checktaschu4492]

When you said you were going through the clips where the deagle missed i fully expected a "Shots 1-3: clearly missed"-like analysis

[@cesgopuroavp286]

It's obviously not what it needs to be. Keep the 1 hit headshots the same, but remove 2 hit kill to the body. I think it should kill in 3 hits in the range where you would kill with 2 hits, and 4 hits where you would kill with 3 shots earlier. Also decreasing reserve ammo to 21 (or maybe even 14) and decreasing penetration power to walls would make the gun and the game itself more balanced.

[@cesgopuroavp286]

Also the Revolver doesn't needs change, it just needs the opportunity to be discovered just like AUG and Krieg had back in 2018.

[@Seductive6YChicken]

You explained it so well. You officially changed my mind, keep the deagle as it is!!!

[@timoflo369]

I only want the deagle NOT to kill in 2 bodyshots in close range. Its time to kill is overpowered compared to rifles in my opinion. So lower the base damage and lower the damage drop-off/distance

[@Jmvars]

I agree with this. It's way too deadly at close range. To all the plebs that will inevitably bring up the "dont take close range fights against deagle hurr" argument: It's not always an option to _not_ take close range fights.

[@janbela7437]

Or just lower the fire rate you woud have longer time to kill and oponent with deagle when you have for example m4

[@username_was_taken]

@@janbela7437 but then it will just become a worse r8

[@plebisMaximus]

Or just increase the price. It's only really unfair because it's so stupidly cheap.

[@janbela7437]

@@username_was_taken well maybe but it's option you becasue what can you do with game that literally almost don't need changes is really good of course I don't talk abbout mm and this shit and if they woud change deagle either way people woud be angry

[@bluedoesnothing666]

Simple Answer: Yes, but no.

[@YasirKhan-ey6hi]

This man just roasted everyone who complained about the Deagle

[@nicktheneko]

Counter-Strike:Source's Desert Deagle is my most fav of all the different CS versions(like 1.6, Source, Global Offensive. etc)

[@TF10_FLAW]

ah, so you are a noob who only uses p90 nowadays, i see.

[@prodbywerty]

@@TF10_FLAW c'mon man, it's just a weapon. i could as well say "ah, so you are the grumpy man who ridicules others for using a SCAR-20".

[@nicktheneko]

@@TF10_FLAW Naaah I use what ever i could get my hands on.

[@Valshiirs]

I could never reliably use deagle in counter strike. Not in 1.6 and not in GO and it always amazed me how can people go around getting those one shot headshots reliebly.

[@Tyler-fx9hf]

If you have a good mouse sens for aim and have the aim botz workshop map to practice aim and 1 taps

[@Xe_Non]

@@Tyler-fx9hf it's a very risk and reward gun ,and that is why I like it

[@zdx197]

Stand still hold an angle or properly counterstrafe while shooting. Some luck with timing and positioning and deagle can win rounds or sometimes it was a waste of 700$. I think it's balanced tbh

[@damour3317]

agreed. they should make it 100% accurate like the negev with unlimited range, 0% damage drop off, able to 1 hit kill to the leg, and cost like $150 or smth for balance

[@RandomDudeOnYoutube]

Here before lots of replies

[@micahsarm]

@@RandomDudeOnKZbin it didnt go the way you thought it would isnt it?

[@RandomDudeOnYoutube]

@@micahsarm lmao

[@RandomDudeOnYoutube]

@@micahsarm BRO WHAT ITS BEEN 2 YEARS

[@Minami_C]

I don't think the deagle needs an adjustment, I'd rather ask for R8 revolver rework... so it can be an actual replacement

[@laithkattan678]

been waiting for this video! really nice that u brought that up... been struggeling to understand how the deagle works :)

[@abilitymaster05]

every time I see that scream deagle clip, I feel morally obligated to respond with this

[@m-yday]

I always appreciate Philip's view on these things. They're almost always, if not always, based on facts, and what would actually make the game better. I don't even play the game but I'd be damned if Philip's arguments aren't some of the best I've seen regarding games in general

[@LandonLaCross]

3kliks has the best thumbnails known to man. Instantly recognizable everytime

[@nik6494]

Please Valve dont listen to Redditors

[@512TheWolf512]

aaah reddit, the shit-stain on the internet

[@MrAerp]

@@laurapills you should

[@sauravkhatiwada3943]

Bold of you to assume Valve listens to anyone

[@ThatTonnatoTenrec]

@@sauravkhatiwada3943 hey they fixed pecklesteiner... did i even get that right.

[@ThatTonnatoTenrec]

@@512TheWolf512 By logic of internet everything is a shit stain. Id honestly put Reddit over something like Twitter and even some Steam forums, but then that also depends on sub. Ignoring the 'top post subs' id say Reddit isn't too terrible, though its openess to even more subs is quite vomit inducing.

[@RaphaelNasista]

THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!! i hate how much some people don't realize how balanced the weapon is, and keeps talking about this "problem" of the 2 body shot hits for YEARS.

[@slickstyles9433]

Big props for the analytics, well thought out and love the touch at the end of what if he hit that shot what would happen with the 1v1

[@bigsmoke8816]

"CS: GO's weapons have been far more rigorously balanced" *laughs in five-seven*

[@coolguyman7356]

Bizon? Berettas? Nova? They all serve a purpose?

[@cheeot]

mag

[@Sebastian-qh4ws]

nova is pretty good tho not a joke i think its good

[@R3ddyyg]

@@Sebastian-qh4ws Mag7 is better, the nova sometimes just doesn't work at any range and sometimes it snipes people

[@cheeot]

@@R3ddyyg mag 7 on CT side cobble wingman is op

[@Teo_stra]

I think lowering the firing speed should fix the issue, less effective trying to spam it at close range lowers ttk if going for body shots changes nothing if going for 1 taps

[@cmohandas]

It might as well be a revolver then

[@bruschetta7711]

It may actually be a buff for lower ranked players, the lower fire rate will help hitting the enemy more consistantly, because it's not that easy to know when your gun is enough accurate to hit the enemy

[@SaxaphoneWalrus]

Summary: Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because the deagle was already dead.

[@ViGsT]

I understood that reference!

[@emppudud5692]

oh i know damn well where that is

[@QselaNiklas]

Ah the thing when u finally understand a reference

[@acmeproduct3516]

I have a fix. It goes like this: up damage by one (63>64) and dropping penetration to 75% from 93%, also buffing the drop-off to .85 from .81, by math, the Deagle has around the same armoured OHK range and it no more 2-hit-kills an armored chest, (48 damage to armoured chest at point blank). Armoured stomach 2-hit-kill is nerfed to 500 units , and unarmoured is buffed up to 1400 units. I would also tweak the recovery time to be .6 seconds (between CS 1.6's Deagle at .4 and CS:GO's Deagle at .8), crouched should stay the same, as should accuracy in both stances. This way as you can see the gun is a bit more balanced without affecting it's OHK cappabilitiies, due to it's better damage fall-off. If valve changed these stats the Deagle would be less of a "chest-spam" weapon, mantaining it's capabilities as a eco weapon, also making it a little bit more controllable, but overall staying the same. Like for Philip (and hopefully Valv€) to see!

[@moonabhinav]

Doesn't matter whats the spreadsheet says, its about the feel of the gun for a player. Any one is confident enough to hit headshots with USP, but they will not say same for deags. Also CS GO is also doing lots of calculations at server level, any packet loss can fuck up the calculation given the slow rate of fire of deag.

[@mpetkovic26]

Dude I swear, I was global(lvl9 faceit) stopped playing game(I just follow scene now), but deagle is most random gun ever buddy of mine had 3k kills on same period where I had 700ish and he is literally aiming at shoulders while I got majority of my kills as close range flicks to the head or sprays. It feels to me so random shots I think I missed I hit, but those right on top of someone miss.

[@joj.]

"CSGO - Does the Deagle need changing?" Valve: *y e s*

[@apchistuz]

Yes

[@caiolucena6397]

"Hey kyle, do you see this pistol that shoots .50AE? It sucks, it does too much damage and the aim sucks compared to a sniper rifle."

[@TmanT321]

Thank you. People are just whiny babies the deagle doesn't need any changes.

[@mymicisasian1410]

@@TmanT321 I feel like the aim part of it's fine. It's a pistol. But why does a pistol 2 shot kill in the body?

[@drd1449]

Only problem with deagle with me is that it kills faster at close range than m4 and ak. A bit slower firerate would fix it

[@TmanT321]

@@mymicisasian1410 BECAUSE ITS A .50 YOU TARD

[@Zickzii]

@@TmanT321 CS:GO is supposed to be competitive, not realistic

[@theoreminegaming]

If you want an example of a more accurate, slower firing, balanced implementation, look towards Valorant's Sheriff.

[@s0meRand0m129]

you can literally just buy sheriff and win duel against full buy player in valorant, it is that broken

[@ryan74458]

@@s0meRand0m129 You can do the same thing with the deagle..?? The difference is the sheriff actually punishes you for going for body shots.

[@s0meRand0m129]

@@ryan74458 deagle is way harder

[@s0meRand0m129]

@@ryan74458 to me sheriff is easier to get hs compare to deagle and punishable for body is basically for most weapon because of valorant dumb armor system, it didn't give you are more point but basically give you more HP because if you look at it you can get down to 4hp with 80ap in cs but in valorant your ap is your extra hp

[@kopshi]

The proposed R8 changes sound like a dream come true. I'm kinda a little sad it didn't get that much attention, because it sounds like a really good solution.

[@asdasdasd9320]

Philip has blessed us again with this thumbnail

[@huMblemTw]

Def needs changing, I don't know Phil - I love that you do all these in depth videos, but the 1.6 deagle just felt right - running, crouching, 1 step / 1 shot angle peeking - that gun just fitted every situation accordingly. Well having said that as a WHOLE I feel that 1.6 was better and that each of the guns was created / designed correctly to match the feel of the player and the shots they were firing. There was something " special " and secret about the ingredients to CS 1.6 that made everything feel "Real " when you were spraying and missing you knew you were spraying recklessly, when you were slow, methodical and planned to be deadly accurate you were. CS Source's Deagle was absolute trash and not a True reflection of the spirit and feel of CounterStrike. CS GO Deagle just feels random and not aligned with what the player actually planned / shot for they way 1.6 would match the intention of the players planned shots and the reality matching the intention ? Hope that makes sense. CS GO Deagle def needs correction. +1 to Accuracy -1 to Deagle Spam Damage.

[@SleepyJC]

Unpopular opinion but I liked the Source deagle 😅. Dont know if I'd want it that way in csgo though

[@JagerXIII]

I like it too, but then, there’d be no reason to buy other pistols though. Imo, just buff the accuracy so bullshit scenarios like the t ramp vid will be a thing of the past. Just make the deag a nerfed css version and it’d be fine. I’ve had countless times where i have a deag and i’ve had the crosshair on the enemy’s head only for csgo rng to say no

[@spoot8835]

Love your revolver idea wheel turn after shot instead of double action on every shot... perhaps we could see a new meta of shooting one shot to enable single action left click but only get 5 bullets, but with instant high accuracy and range potential.

[@Hepodix]

Nice video Philip! I personally like how Deagle works with its high-risk high-reward mechanic.

[@andrebenoit404]

I was shocked to see your chart saying the deagle has a better accuracy than the ak. It doesn't feel like that to me at all. I remember firing 5 slow shots at a stationary enemy and missing all 5 even thought the cross hair suggested it should hit.

[@dosvjazi]

man, cool!

[@smorley4359]

Woman

[@mattthelad4686]

Manwo

[@extracheesypizzaboi]

Cool, man

[@danendranismara]

coleman

[@dosvjazi]

wo,comanol

[@smoke12316]

I don't think you're speaking for all of us at 8:21 In my mind. CSS was incredible

[@typhusgamingadventures4897]

best CS

[@Djarnor]

Make deagle bullet size 10000, so it makes a BOOOM and kills

[@entity3329]

I hope this gun does not get nerfed in the future

[@BVRSL325]

This has actually opened my eyes a little to when I rage when i don't hit heads

[@beybladesinmyheels1267]

How to fix the Deagle: Get rid of bullet drop off Make it 100% accurate Increase clip size to 200 Increase rpm to 1,150 Infinite ammo Reduce cost to 0$ and spawn in with it 200% bullet penetration Running speed of 500 velocity Crouch speed of 250 velocity Walking speed of 250 velocity Strong aim assist Magnetic bullets (like in halo) Add the AWP’s scope Comes with a free special riot shield that never breaks and can be used at the same time with the riot shield I honestly don’t know why valve wouldn’t add these small and simple changes to the game but I guess they’re too busy making lootboxes…

[@saricubra2867]

It makes more sense making those changes for the revolver. The deagle should behave more like in CS 1.6 or source.

[@Silly00000]

The deagle to me has always been a gun that rewards accuracy and reaction time and has also been a way to win eco rounds against rifles, but when you can't rely on that it ruins the gun and makes the game just frustrating.

[@ritehllgs]

"The most accurate gun in the game" is a joke, they weren't claiming it was, they're joking based on the lack of accuracy in the clip

[@oscarjosefsson9300]

I loved the Deagle in 1.6 and as I recall it, you could shoot it faster back then. If the second shot had better accuracy it seems reasonable. To me it seems a bit silly that the accuracy is so based on rng and that it is only like 24 meters or so when standing and the damage drop off seems silly too. Especially for a gun with this much power. Body shots should of course be viable! We are talking. 50 cal here! It would be interesting if small calibers such as 5.7 had good armour penetration and low base damage as that is true to their nature.

[@DIY_Miracle]

I wouldn't mind SlothSquadran's changes, but with a slightly higher accuracy and slightly higher cost, somewhere around $1200 similar to the shotguns. It doesn't need to be a pistol round weapon and often isn't use as one anyway. If not that, then double down as a pistol round weapon, much lower armor pen to give it a nieche role, also as specifically an anti eco weapon.