What Reward System Can an INTP Replace a Dopamine One With? | CS Joseph Responds

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[@minusstage3]

The benefit of trial and error is called wisdom! And INTP's are drawn to it.

[@minusstage3]

It's called smart, because it's a biological, bottom up kind of understanding. This: Is the' situational; Structural Mitigation And Recombination Technique! ITS-SMART

[@serban2139]

My intp friend never trials, but always fails. Joke aside, isn't the intp the stereotype of NOT doing the DO? Like, they'll take action when it's only absolutely necessary... according to them,lol

[@friendlyanomaly6109]

@@serban2139 What do you mean by taking action?

[@rogerbee1234567]

@@serban2139 this is accurate i know exactly what i must do to become who i want to be but i’m weak and lazy and would rather jack off and get high

[@master_mind422]

@@serban2139 Yeah but for the most part we're natural experimenters, we don't do stuff we find boring or just think that it's not logically necessary to do it at the moment. But if it's something that we're curious about the we absolutely will do repeated experiments to just note down the observations. This includes everyday stuff as well.

[@WilliamTheDestroyer.]

Dopamine isn't a reward hormone, it's a pursuit hormone.

[@exnihilonihilfit6316]

RIGHT. It's so irritating that people use it as a "reward hormone". It's when you're actively craving something (and trying to resist) that your dopamine system is going CRAZY.

[@aladdout9454]

huh, finally an interpretation of esfj that actually makes sense. I have not actually seen an esfj thats weirdly adamant about constantly helping people by exhausting themselves, as shown by other mbti communities. Don't get me wrong they're very helpful but they'll cut you up if they get the hint if you're only using them and also over-relying on them. Weird rant but I really hate how untrue and lazy the stereotypes are.

[@boulderingbadger6179]

Single mothers who have no choice but to care for children but can still remain terrible partners. Masculine nature in females can be hard to deal with for many of the temperaments. INFJ will have no boundaries but having the most masculine subconscious allows them to mother bear for others in an inappropriate way.

[@aladdout9454]

@@boulderingbadger6179 who asked? what occasion? why am I reading this trauma dump waste?

[@willyandfruit]

As an INTP I relate to the “no identity → hedonism” theory. I regard my identity as fluid and think the only times I was productive with no dopamine reward was when I was method acting a film character. My challenge is giving up low-level dopamine for the possibility of future higher-level dopamine. For example, I can watch TV shows and chill in my free time or use that time to advance my career. I have trouble choosing the latter, partly because I know the higher reward is not a guarantee. Next to dopamine, I think I’m more motivated by self-actualization, taking my talents to the max and seeing how far they will go. Helping others is rewarding too, possibly could be offered a third place in my motivation hierarchy, especially when I start thinking about my inevitable death. I’ve always found life coach / therapist / psychic reader positions rewarding.

[@akidas101]

Means you have symptoms matching with ADHD, check it out.

[@willyandfruit]

@@akidas101 I already know I have adhd. what symptoms i mentioned made you think that though?

[@boulderingbadger6179]

We are chameleons so personality was something we overlooked. I just realized this at 38. Looking back and understanding what people saw in me vs what I thought they saw was two different realities entirely. I was nice and smart. They saw depressed with a hoodie lmao.

[@jasongodmere9882]

My ears are burning, but it was my question. Clearly, as you picked up, the question was encumbered. However, it elevates an important aspect of growth. Very often I find myself unaware of a perspective on something that, until I've given the world an opportunity to challenge it, remains infantile in it's expression. Thanks for staying so consistent with the channel all these years. Jason

[@CSJoseph]

You are most welcome sir

[@maruf5446]

Thank you veeeery much Mr. Joseph for providing us with all that crucial information, you're THE DOPEST!!!

[@jaredvaughan1665]

As an INTP I liked to teach people to fly as a flight instructor for 3.5 years.

[@ninjapandathethird6241]

:O

[@gojo-zn7du]

This makes sense so bad!! I'm eager to help others if I feel capable enough. Like yesterday I I helped one of my friend reduce her body pains by a few exercises I learnt when I played sports in college. And I was so motivated to help her! Literally taught her what to do as well, to do her warm ups before doing something physically demanding and then taught her a few exercises to do if she's alone without assistance!!! OMG helping others is my goal!!!!

[@gojo-zn7du]

So I need to learn how to solve my problems in order to be able to help others solve theirs. Ok finally got something to work off! Let's see how this works.

[@minusstage3]

The true intp already knows, because they figured out before most, that without taking a bother to put in the effort, the dwelling place of your Lord, will be vacant!

[@minusstage3]

Sure you could be gray by then. However, the majority never find it, in one life.

[@serban2139]

What does that mean in normal English? 😂

[@rogerbee1234567]

@@serban2139 seek god to find god

[@00Klingon]

An INTP can learn to not covert contract by making the conscious decision to give the gift of knowledge for its own sake and not hold to any pretense of a reward. This decision is an important act to reach the next level. Hold yourself to a higher ideal that helps build your legacy, your community and society as a whole rather than look for the immediate gratification. Seeking reward is not the goal. The INTP has the potential to become the wise sage professor that others look up to for knowledge and understanding. Accept that this is a thankless task and seek pleasure in what you are building for future generations, not for yourself.

[@ak-cl6im]

Seriously, tell me how an INTP is supposed to feel any satisfaction in life if they don't have access to Ni and feel satisfaction from achieving their goals? If they have to rely on either pleasant experiences or the experience of being desired by others. According to you, an INTP is supposed to feel satisfaction from the mental vision of being a sage that no one cares about, or creating things that no one cares about? That's just a curse and allowing yourself to be exploited, only wrapped in a metaphysical idea.

[@00Klingon]

@@ak-cl6im Fi demon constantly tempts us to nihilistic belief that nobody really cares and nothing really matters. This is reality for many INTP. The key is to stop worrying about all that and seek true meaning and deep self acceptance and self improvement first. If you build it, others will follow. Remember that INTP are outcome focused and interested in legacy. We can access Ni but only after much thought, weighing the pros and cons. Trust me, when we finally do realize what we want, we can become incredibly stubborn in pursuit of a goal, as long as we have a clear vision to the outcome we seek. We trade the present working on what could be in a potential future payoff. If we are nihilistic, it may be self serving or in servitude to others. If we find true meaning in life, we will serve a greater purpose and be remembered for generations.

[@idontknowhatoput8663]

@@ak-cl6imintps do feel satisfaction from achieving their goals becuz if Ni critic. Csj explained in a vid that Ni critic actually does want stuff, but it’s problem is it want too much…

[@ak-cl6im]

@@idontknowhatoput8663 Too much of what? In which video, because it definitely wasn't this one. For almost 30 years I have never felt satisfaction from striving for a goal, never.

[@idontknowhatoput8663]

@@ak-cl6im it was in the “do infps kill others dreams” vid, it’s about infps but it can really apply to Ne parent users in general

[@feijie3829]

kind of annoying having to be perceived as helpful to enjoy life, I envy fi type on this point.

[@minusstage3]

It's but annoying, because one is so able, to believe it's external perceptions, that actually counts for feeling helpful and appreciated, on the inside. Turn it around and you will win, my friend.

[@annl.5512]

Yeah I hate helping others people are selfish and ungrateful I hate them all. Lately I enjoy listen to other people problems knows the solution but punishing them staying quite lol it's so f up but still enjoyable 🤷‍♀️

[@feijie3829]

@@annl.5512I may give my advice, but I will drop a short hint, if they don't follow I assume they don't care. I felt a lot of people enjoy having the same problem turning up again and again as long as they can solve it case by case, and they can even derive some joy in sharing this pointless suffering, which makes them feel like a noble individual having their up and down in life, especially for the kind of brain insensitive to pattern. I am glad to cooperate if that is what they want. I think I may be able to appreciate it.

[@rogerbee1234567]

@@annl.5512 wah wah

[@annl.5512]

@@rogerbee1234567 my wasn't a joke you probably mistakes it for something you were thinking.

[@rogerbee1234567]

not having a father immediately gives you an identity in itself which is fine and i got over quick identity is made up and a girly word to me i disregard usually, if it’s made up you can make your own up or become christian but apparently most intps are atheist which makes no sense to me i’d rather have the wisdom and guidance of a masculine father so i’d know what do to in all those se trickster scenarios that end up as repressed nightmares for all intps (usually sexual or something formal) but i was meant to fail even more times than that, the lack of fi just makes us run from the helpful pain of trial and error which would make our se strong

[@CSJoseph]

No, it’s still lost

[@phantasmagoria9876]

INTPs are highly skeptical and require evidence for just about everything significant. It makes sense to me as the concept of a god creating the universe isn’t really grounded in evidence. INTPs have a strong anti-conformist perspective as well leading them to not accept doctrine from their parents, friends, etc.

[@rogerbee1234567]

@@phantasmagoria9876 you sound like an intj define evidence

[@grimreaper7854]

⁠To add on for anyone who ever sees this, a year late, INTPs are never satisfied with knowing whether something is true or accepting it as true. To accept something requires us to be satisfied with the "why". What makes it clear that (a) god exists? Not much, or a lot depending on how vague you wanna be. Why would any vague reason for the existence of a god be conclusive? Why should I take anything of that nature as evidence when it's open-ended? Why should I care even if your 'evidence' does sound plausible? Definitive, concrete proof, that also makes logical sense to us on top of being factual. That is the cornerstone of each of the INTP's long-held beliefs. If it's to be believed long-term, it must be all of the above. Short-term? Not necessarily. But at some point we'll take it apart with logic and when it fails, it flops. In short, we're skeptics even when confronted with facts. And religion typically fails to meet our standards of objectivity and logical subjectivity. -A late INTP

[@kenrocketman897]

miss the mohawk already, looks more badass. i solved my hedonism by understanding that life is suffering and asking the question what makes it worth while? . and in order to get those worth while thing you need to be responsible of attaining it or doing something about it. Acceptance of the Si child that you must suffer in order to get the worth while things " meaningful sensation or experience for the Si Child."

[@kenrocketman897]

"teaching a man to fish" is also my inspiration, i being an intp. In my case i use the tendencies of an 8 type enneagram, to avoid covert contract being, "if your not in my tribe , i dont give a shit about that person'. if your in my tribe i will teach you how to fish, so you and i can get more fish. covert contract only works when its sneaky,i've learn to explicitly say the condition of why i am doing things

[@kenrocketman897]

iron sharpens iron

[@LuckyRowlands]

Why do you consider this to be an ''entitled'' and ''ridiculous'' question? I think this is the real key question for INTPs...

[@lravenhill]

So basically the intp is both Caligula and Markus Aurelius. Either way my robes flow in the wind like a dreamy romance novel. We are the original Roman Fabio (hair flip)

[@teensytinyninja]

My intp dad doesn’t understand why I never take his advice…. But it’s bc I’m also an intp and I need to trial and error my way through things myself, and he doesn’t leave room for that. 8:11

[@AmazingJane137]

That’s very helpful. Thank you.

[@tabby705]

Thank you for sharing so consistently. Valuable knowledge 🙏🏼

[@nyxcole9879]

I'm an Estp, my roommate is an Intp he would argue that he has no interest in people much less teaching them, he covert contracts any support he gives, and he just wants to 'do what he likes' while neglecting alot about himself and his life outside of his job...I am considerate to him and don't want to brow beat him, but I'm frustrated in this situation and nothing i say gets through. This video helped me understand the mentality more, thank you. But is there any advice for getting through to a highly egoic and resistant intp?

[@ewanmeek2]

I'd suggest you use your Se Hero to make new experiences for him. It's difficult to teach him so he has to teach himself. What experiences he'd need in order to teach himself I have no idea.

[@nyxcole9879]

@@ewanmeek2 Thank you! 🙂

[@simpletomash]

I wanna beat the fuck out of my INTP cousin for being so careless, lazy, clueless and filthy all the time almost every day... - istp

[@KA-pe6sv]

Be blunt and don’t worry about hurting their feelings. As long as use a calm tone you can say pretty much anything to them no matter how harsh. Even if you do temporarily upset an INTP they will still be loyal to you and wont do anything to get back at you. If you are super direct with what you want from them they will most likely do it, but don’t give them an option, just straight up tell them that they have to. When they make improvements in their behavior be sure to give them lots of praise for it, even if something so small that they don’t really deserve praise for.

[@nyxcole9879]

@@KA-pe6sv That’s really good advice! Thank you 🙂

[@pelc121]

Great video, this has definitely let me see a different side to intps and esfjs

[@annl.5512]

I disagree on this one every time I help others I ending up regret it so I don't enjoy it at all I think for be more productive you must need to tell yourself "focus on doing the smartest think you can possibly do and don't give up on it or you are an idiot" Meditation help a lot as well endure the pain for your goal is a skill that we should developing.

[@smile6889]

I think for you help others and relief their pain or suffering, it reminds the INTP that their is worthless or stupid, and that their a valid person in this society, and many INTPs have so much patience and are so not bothered with people lack of anything, like they not care if you can't walk or your living under a bridge, or if you just got divorced, or came out prison, a person is a person, and through their experience in life, most of them can run a quick analysis of a human, and pick up if this person is good or safe, can help anyone that others can't stand or don't have the patience for, and knowing this , brings an INTP so much joy, once you come out of all the darkness, you really want to tell everyone that it's going through ok, it's almost like having a near death experience, after that, everything changes, at that point in their life, their Fe inferior can't help itself, it almost automatically wants to help and relief suffering or increase understanding, it's almost like an INFJ purpose, but not really

[@annl.5512]

1 focus on a specific goal the problem I had was that my goals were too vague I was too open to many possibilities and this make me froze 2 like I said threatened yourself help because it's give you a kick that you need 3 meditation will help to train yourself to avoid temptations 4 learn how to plan it's not natural for us but still the better planning it's start from the ending 5 focus on the experience and learning you will get from it 6 focus on your steps not on the ending goal one step at the time! 7 you will have other ideas as you take the first step ideas that will seem better to you BUT remember you can do them later once you finish what you started

[@smile6889]

@@annl.5512 Are you an INXJ my friend? You typed your response in a heartbeat, and it's a layered response, just curious

[@annl.5512]

@@smile6889 sadly no I do the test quite often and I'm an intp very assertive 🤷‍♀️

[@smile6889]

@@annl.5512 Could be but you might need to cross check just in case, INTPs and INTJs do often get confused or mixed up, because INTPs are outcome focused and INTJ think they're outcome as well because I think, not sure, but how their Ni works, I would just double check, but non the less, both are very useful types, if we just move our butts off the couch or leave the house, and extrovert our brains, but good luck

[@SCWhiteJazz]

great! As an INTP, this is dope!

[@daniel96011]

Spot on as per usual!

[@19katsandcounting]

I found out it’s very possible I’ve been mistaking myself for an INFJ, but I’m more likely INTP. I didn’t think I was smart enough to be INTP, because I’ve had a hard life. But looking back I can see this was probably the case. I’ve been stuck in hedonism, which led to a lot of problems.

[@grimreaper7854]

Also, do INTPs have to be smart? Patrick from Spongebob is supposedly an INTP. Sure, Patrick is probably an extreme case, but still.

[@emjizone]

True, true… I still don't know how to make a living while experiencing this good sensation, but hey, it will make my future job and relation choices less stupid.

[@cacorn982]

Lol , very funny interesting question. Does that mean if a esfj is unwilling to train you, they are trying to make sure you don't run away?

[@7733rk]

Wow super interesting perspective

[@kenrocketman897]

an incompetent/helpless person usually relies on others.

[@7733rk]

@@kenrocketman897 hehe or what if they just like building a connection with you.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

Excellent advice

[@vincent.mazkett187]

We do know MUKBANG videos ain't "addictive" to watch or do...it is actually a WASTE. We do get bored from Hedonism from time to time.

[@cheshym5692]

C.S Joseph, you so wise.

[@shyGigi]

Similar to ENFJ/ISTP… teachers of another feather…good stuff

[@7733rk]

Don’t see the question as entitled or hedonistic as being their best self will help the others around them. The only reason I can guess u said that is to make them feel uncomfortable so they seek to change. But in reality them being true to their natural self - eg helping or teaching people should make them seek change as all the right hormones in the body will be released

[@ListlessPirate]

When I heard him say the question itself is entitled and rediculous, that's completely insulting. Saying that doesn't make someone seek to change, it makes them think that what they think they need to know to change and grow for the better is wrong.

[@7733rk]

@@ListlessPirate not necessarily - u have to understand Csj lives in like some 5d web dimension - he understands the impact of his words and he is collecting data all the time

[@personallothus473]

Thanks csj

[@god-la-7wins-verdad-942]

SUFFERING 😇🛐❤️‍🔥🙇🏽‍♂️🏆

[@minusstage3]

Quality presentation!

[@dookhynabeelah4897]

Great answer 👏🏼 👍🏼

[@jonathan1584]

Where does (or rather, should) a man get his identity from if he doesn’t know his father?

[@monikap8777]

Father figures/religion

[@monikap8777]

Jordan peterson 😂

[@omoxo]

I'm INTP female.

[@maruf5446]

@Austin Ranly Ahahaaahahahahhahaahahaha cool.

[@MarkBH70]

I have an ENTJ fiancee. I can teach her, and I will be happy. Thanks.

[@wisamrohilina3006]

i am new here, what does the term "triple systematic" mean? would someone kindly guide to the video where i can learn more about that term? thx

[@CSJoseph]

NTP types are triple systematic. Watch Season 1 and 2 playlists on the channel.

[@ak-cl6im]

In short, you lose all motivation to achieve your goal after the first compromise you are forced to make and the first thought that achieving that goal is not certain :D

[@rhodexa]

I already knew this, but it slowly stops working... and It has much to do with the fact that I lost interest in people themselves. I've just been thinking about this before you released the video. I lost any hope in humans, I don't they deserve anything and I rather stop wasting energy on them. Very few people are up to learn... very few people understand how to live sustainably... so yeah... Rather keep drawing furry pornography and get rewarded with currencies (speaking of INTP addiction lol) I haven't give up, tho

[@Phor0phor]

Interesting

[@ikondevon]

the only question: how do you GET anybody to ever tell you any of their problems? it's a lips sealed shut convention out there.

[@aishaadam7473]

What do you mean? Do you want that an intp tell you their problems?

[@monikap8777]

Actually, if you know how to listen, people will tell you their deepest problems very quickly

[@Sam-ng3of]

How can they teach people stuff and be a mentor if they aren't yet experienced enough? They can't, can they?

[@CSJoseph]

Then get more experience

[@jhummelgaard9310]

Thanks. You may have solved my intps problem. I wonder what she'd think about the idea ?

[@liveforyouonly]

sooooo we're supposed to be mentors.... 🤨🤯🤯🤯

[@god-la-7wins-verdad-942]

Love your beard bro

[@outrageousmermaid9073]

Do we need to be both a journeyman and an acolyte member to get questions answered?

[@CSJoseph]

Yes, Acolyte is just an upgrade to journeyman

[@Thelasthater_69]

Helping people?? Why are we so useless?

[@comecombat5060]

You're taking way too long to get to your answer.

[@CSJoseph]

Then skip forward

[@comecombat5060]

@@CSJoseph Would have, but it seemed like your answer was coming until it wasn't. I'm not dissing you. Just saying you could have gotten to the point much sooner.

[@zenlotus8696]

😂😂its kind of ridiculous

[@kimtopology4257]

INTP'S are not hedonist SP'S are the most hedonistic of all types. As an INTP this isn't true for me majority of this type are contributing members of society we are not couch potatoes Ti and Ne helps them to get motivated this info is so inconsistent

[@nemesis27]

false

[@serban2139]

I find it difficult to accept that, WHATEVER YOUR TYPE, helping others in need doesn't satisfy you in the least. Especially those in need. It's like you're telling me you're not a human, you don't love, you don't understand love even a little. This is not an FE thing.. hmmphh..

[@zthehero]

hey dude, you should reply to the youtubers that say youre unrealiable. I might end up losing trust in the information you provide. I think You SHOUld. KZbinrs like, @Eric Thor, @Talking with famous people, etc... Do you not care?

[@CSJoseph]

Yeah I don’t really care about such dorks.

[@zthehero]

@@CSJoseph ya but they say things like your typing sessions are too shallow, you take what people say in the face value without thinking much, etc. I kinda see that shallowness as well. Respectfully mr joseph, you should EXPLAIN. Thank you!

[@friendlyanomaly6109]

You trust Talking with Famous People?

[@zthehero]

@@friendlyanomaly6109 Umm i dont watch him but i want csj to clear things... he does things like "oh you see they said the word observe ,theyre conctete"

[@friendlyanomaly6109]

@@zthehero To clear what? Is talking with Famous People still on his name? What is there to talk about that CSJ hasn't already addressed with those people?