Culture Talk: Who Were the Nephilim?

[@themoldysoldier]

Where did Dr. Ross get his t shirt?

[@infinityApologeticsClips]

Not in Arabia

[@Andy-si1pl]

It can only say one thing! He's such a Geek (that I love ;)

[@williamvallespir5509]

Dr.Ross I am huge fan of yours I am an electrical engineering student at UDM.

[@reginalddavis4219]

100 agreed.

[@maync1]

Yeah, love this T-shirt. Details, please!

[@annajbanana2132]

I think the book of Enoch explains this well. The Book of Giants. I have always understood them to be the offspring of the Fallen Angels and the daughters of man. These were the Angels that were cast out of heaven because they thought they could do better than God. Some of the first Narcissists I guess.

[@chriscreek8577]

The sons of God refers to the rebel angels who abandoned their estate in heaven and came to earth.Procreated with the women and had offspring called the nephilim..Read the Book of Enoch.It's all explained.

[@rep10101]

Thanks

[@GodDutyHonorCountry]

As far as giants go ; archaeologists recently uncovered a pottery shard dated at the time of DAVID & GOLIATH, and in the area where he killed Goliath, near GAD (sp ?), and written on the outside of the shard : the name, GOLIATH!

[@MutsPub]

Thank You for posting.

[@gmjsimmons]

It has been brought up below, but I would like to get Dr. Ross' view of Dr. Heiser's work in "Unseen Realm" or "Supernatural." I find there works very interesting, but Dr. Heiser's biblical knowledge is light years beyond my ability to critique: therefore, I must rely on other experts opinions to develop a realistic perspective on his scholarship.

[@Cynshome]

Thank you so much!

[@istudante]

What an excellent interpretation.

[@KenAmmi-Shalom]

FYI: most of it is un-biblical and also based on confusing terminology and definitions.

[@istudante]

@@KenAmmi-Shalom can you tell me more about it?

[@KenAmmi-Shalom]

@@istudante You asked for it ;o) The interviewer refers to an interpretation whereby Nephilim are "just merely mortal men, but then when we think about some of the physical limitations of mere men..." but we have no reliable physical description of Nephilim so that is a non-issue. Now, the shrug off tactic of that different people have different views does not do away with simple facts such as that Ross states, “it all depends how you read those biblical texts that refer to the Nephilim, uh, Rephaim, the Anakites, the giants of old the heroes of old, those are all referring to these Nephilim creatures in my opinion.” Yet, that is a simple category error since Nephilim are strictly pre-flood offspring of sons of God and daughters of men while no such thing is ever stated nor hinted at about Rephaim or Anakites-and, by the way, Anakites are merely a subgroup of Rephaim-and by referring to “giants of old the heroes of old” he switched from specific Hebrew terms to a vague, generic, subjective and undefined English one so, was be there referring to Gen 6’s Nephilim or post-flood Rephaim? He states “repeated and explicit in the Bible…these were individuals of a great size” but that is simply not the case and when it is specified that Anakim are “tall” tall that is not only a vague term but is also subjective to a comparison of Hebrews, males of whom, in those days, averaged 5.0-5.3 ft. Goliath is only close to 9 ft. as per Greek manuscripts. Hebrew ones, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Flavius Josephus have him as close to 7 ft. Also, he had an armor bearer to help him with his equipment but still, one does not have to be unusually tall to be very strong: just watch any weightlifting competition where guys who are 6 ft. or a little more will bench press, squat, and deadlift 1,000 lbs. He also thinks “we see references Nephilim in…Greek literature” because “Philistines come from the island of Crete” but Philistines are a subgroup of Anakim and, again, Anakim are a subgroup of Rephaim. Yes, the Angel view of Gen 6 is the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jews and Christians alike for many centuries. But Ross is referring to demons rather than fallen/sinful Angels and that is technically problematic. Note that he states, “God was highly motivated to get rid of these Nephilim” so did He get rid of them or not? The Bible’s answer is yes, via the flood but Ross’ answer is no since he (mis)reads them into post-flood texts. As for “you might get birth defects” such as “six fingers the six toes” well, that is only stated about one single person-and he was a Repha. He refers to “God raised David's mighty men for the express purpose of exterminating the last of Nephilim” but there is no biblical indication of that whatsoever: they were dealing with Rephaim. There is also no indication in Revelation that “creatures like that” will come back since Rephaim are humans and do not need to “come back” but he is mistaking them for Nephilim and we have no indication that they looked anything like that described in Rev 9-who, I would say, is the return of the fallen/sinful Angels (not demons).

[@nude_cat_ellie7417]

@@KenAmmi-Shalomwhere can I learn more about Rephaim, please?

[@henryflores1555]

Genesis 6:1-2 KJV [1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, [2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

[@vonshango6311]

6:20 dont worry about nephilim today, but there is one reference in revelations where he may let them out for 5 months, but i think they're locked away in the abyss for eternity. 8:30 they were found in greek lit on the island of crete.

[@rickdeckard1075]

except they have half-neph humans trying to bring them back

[@themoldysoldier]

Everyone wondering about this issue needs to read the Unseen Realm and Reversing Hermon by Dr Michael Heiser. Gen 6:1-4 is about angels that left their “proper domain “ and had sex with human woman, creating the Nephilim. Because they were a hybrid of angels and mankind, their spirits are stuck here. Demons came from the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. 1 Enoch also gives some great insight into these beings. Of course satan was trying to thwart God’s plan through mixing supernatural DNA with human. Early church taught this. NT covers it. Shouldn’t be an issue.

[@blanktrigger8863]

The Book of Enoch also refers to glory/ascension realms. It's better to stick with Genesis to prove the point.

[@themoldysoldier]

Blank Trigger 1 Enoch isn’t Scripture, but it is an important book for context and reference. It was in the minds of Jude, Peter and others when they wrote and spoke.

[@blanktrigger8863]

@@themoldysoldier Hence why I say it should be avoided. It says more wrong than it says right and everything it says right can be found in the bible. Many claim that it offers valuable context but I've seen nothing to support it. It's like reading the full works of pagan authors whom Paul quoted lines from.

[@KenAmmi-Shalom]

Well, that "Demons came from the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim" is folklore. Dr. Heiser's main problem is that he teaches post-flood Nephilim, but the Bible does not.

[@themoldysoldier]

Ken Ammi yes, actually it does.

[@richardmason7840]

Nice vid, for more detail information check out Dr. Mike Heiser's book Unseen Realm. Also Reversing Hermon. You might read Scripture differently. Enjoy Elohim !

[@raslg7775]

Doctor, I have one question: do you believe the Book of Enoch?

[@Terrylb285]

I’m pretty sure Dr Ross doesn’t hold it as inspired He always comments on the 66 books of scripture as complete.But that doesn’t mean that we can’t learn anything from the book of Enoch.Just like today we have lots of books that have truth and we can benefit from greatly in our Christian walk it’s just that they are not divinely inspired.

[@KenAmmi-Shalom]

The interviewer refers to an interpretation whereby Nephilim are "just merely mortal men, but then when we think about some of the physical limitations of mere men..." but we have no reliable physical description of Nephilim so that is a non-issue. Now, the shrug off tactic of that different people have different views does not do away with simple facts such as that Ross states, “it all depends how you read those biblical texts that refer to the Nephilim, uh, Rephaim, the Anakites, the giants of old the heroes of old, those are all referring to these Nephilim creatures in my opinion.” Yet, that is a simple category error since Nephilim are strictly pre-flood offspring of sons of God and daughters of men while no such thing is ever stated nor hinted at about Rephaim or Anakites-and, by the way, Anakites are merely a subgroup of Rephaim-and by referring to “giants of old the heroes of old” he switched from specific Hebrew terms to a vague, generic, subjective and undefined English one so, was be there referring to Gen 6’s Nephilim or post-flood Rephaim? He states “repeated and explicit in the Bible…these were individuals of a great size” but that is simply not the case and when it is specified that Anakim are “tall” tall that is not only a vague term but is also subjective to a comparison of Hebrews, males of whom, in those days, averaged 5.0-5.3 ft. Goliath is only close to 9 ft. as per Greek manuscripts. Hebrew ones, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Flavius Josephus have him as close to 7 ft. Also, he had an armor bearer to help him with his equipment but still, one does not have to be unusually tall to be very strong: just watch any weightlifting competition where guys who are 6 ft. or a little more will bench press, squat, and deadlift 1,000 lbs. He also thinks “we see references Nephilim in…Greek literature” because “Philistines come from the island of Crete” but Philistines are a subgroup of Anakim and, again, Anakim are a subgroup of Rephaim. Yes, the Angel view of Gen 6 is the original, traditional, and majority view among the earliest Jews and Christians alike for many centuries. But Ross is referring to demons rather than fallen/sinful Angels and that is technically problematic. Note that he states, “God was highly motivated to get rid of these Nephilim” so did He get rid of them or not? The Bible’s answer is yes, via the flood but Ross’ answer is no since he (mis)reads them into post-flood texts. As for “you might get birth defects” such as “six fingers the six toes” well, that is only stated about one single person-and he was a Repha. He refers to “God raised David's mighty men for the express purpose of exterminating the last of Nephilim” but there is no biblical indication of that whatsoever: they were dealing with Rephaim. There is also no indication in Revelation that “creatures like that” will come back since Rephaim are humans and do not need to “come back” but he is mistaking them for Nephilim and we have no indication that they looked anything like that described in Rev 9-who, I would say, is the return of the fallen/sinful Angels (not demons).

[@ronaldvangilder3985]

After a little research, I see some of the things you've been involved with therefore I will stick with Dr. Ross and his PhDs. Where did you get your PhDs?

[@KenAmmi-Shalom]

@@ronaldvangilder3985 Sounds like you are a faithful Rossite. I urge you to be cautious about siding with him based on PhDs (are any of those in a contextually relevant field?) and rather, base your conclusions on who presents the more factual case. In this case, on this topic, he is very mistaken and demonstrably so. It's a simple case of him speaking on a subject of which he is not well aware, and demonstrably so.

[@CaryHawkins]

So, Hugh were the Nephilim?

[@russellnorth1418]

Angels are non-physical, daughters of men are physical. How did they copulate to produce Nephilim?

[@uncommonsense6295]

Read the biblical story of Lot. The people of Sodom sure were convinced that they could have physical relations with the angles.

[@russellnorth1418]

@@uncommonsense6295 the people from Sodom didn't know they were angels, but we did. I know the story very well 😊

[@uncommonsense6295]

@@russellnorth1418 Hi Russell, I was simply responding to your specific statement that, “angels are non-physical. How did the copulate…” My point was that the angels that appeared among men took on physical form, therefore, why assume that they could not perform any physical function? The men of Sodom certainly thought it possible.

[@christianmotley262]

Lucifer can change his form to that of a human, even the Righteous Ones do that often.

[@KenAmmi-Shalom]

What makes you think those things?

[@nettiejo7415]

I was taught this as a child but begin to have doubt or questions. Why would God give Angels, let alone fallen ones, the ability to create life? They are spirit beings. No where in the bible does it says the Angels have sperm. Why would God give them this ability and not Lucifer who was an Arch Angel? Wouldn't this make Angels like God? Demons can and need to inhabit bodies ie possession, but no mention they could create life as well.God told men to be fruitful and multiply....not spirit beings!🤔

[@jjbergado4679]

In the time of Abraham the Lord and angels visited him physically. Abraham washed their feet i think.

[@christianmotley262]

@@jjbergado4679 they waited while Sarah prepared them a meal!

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Ur right christ said we'd be like angels in heaven there will be no marriage. That may mean angels are incapable of procreation

[@jwdenn]

Cannot watch this woman.

[@sislertx]

I think it.was just men...with exaggeration..which is why g GOD got so mad

[@blanktrigger8863]

Did you not hear the scientific problems with that he mentioned?