Cut the Cord? Wired vs. Wireless vs. Bluetooth

[@EthanBB]

I would love to see the comparison between Razer and Logitech wireless solutions.

[@vladimirjebievdenko7356]

+ Corsair

[@GGnext.crazycro]

Logitech 604, and the older cheaper 602 Gime all dem buttons 😁

[@FrankB1110]

Excellent suggestion, but if I may add a nice spin to it, research first if they various antennas are actually different, you never know if they're buying from the same producer

[@TheKillerZmile]

glorious too

[@Dirt33breaks]

Me too I own a G pro and would like to see if that is as good as the razer wireless

[@alevxzx]

Truly, no nonsense video - no silly greetings, no sponsor, no life story. Straight to the point ♥♥♥

[@Xenomes]

I missed the "Hello my name is Chris and this is Battlenonsense" though :D

[@slazerlombardi]

Chris is one great creator.

[@jaylenjames364]

We need lore though

[@TLoZfan]

Would love to see this test done with the other implementations of 2.4ghz wireless e.g. Logitech's lightspeed

[@Nerox]

Same here! Just got a G Pro wireless, would love to see a video like this about it

[@Konamalunu]

I like that you go straight to point and not make the video longer than it needs to be. A comparison between Logitech wired vs wireless mice would be interesting too, since Logitech once said that their wireless version could have even less input lag as the wired versions.

[@shinobi_endure]

Truly, no nonsense video - no silly greetings, no sponsor, no life story. Straight to the point.

[@Alirezarz62]

These short and straight to the point videos are the reason I'm subbed to this channel. Great work.

[@Cimlite]

Great video, but it feels like two questions are left answered: Are all current mouse manufacturers equal when it comes to wireless tech? And the interference mentioned, how common is it? Does sitting right next to a WiFi antenna do anything, or maybe even having your phone close?

[@AnimeReference]

I've completely lost Bluetooth when sitting 15m from a microwave, and I found Logitech's wireless keyboards to miss input for about 1 min at a time every 10 mins or so 10m from a router. So very common.

[@Cimlite]

@@AnimeReference Is that keyboard using Lightspeed or Bluetooth though? I know that BT is easily broken, even being near a 2.4 ghz WiFi antenna can make it drop out. Would hope newer stuff like Lightspeed doesn't though.

[@AnimeReference]

@@Cimlite Lightspeed is entirely the wrong word, but that.

[@Cimlite]

​@@AnimeReference Well, that's disappointing. 😐 Then again, I guess cables for mice and stuff has gotten exceptional the last few years. Weighs practically nothing and moves likes it's not even there. A lot cheaper too.

[@GENKI_INU]

Interference is quite common. Even USB 3 ports on devices are known to cause interference problems when BT adapters or proprietary 2.4 GHz recievers for mice and keyboards are plugged into them (Google it). Interference can manifest as reduced range, signal/input dropouts, and significantly reduced bandwidth which can cause inconsistent input delay. Wireless is especially bad at the moment for audio devices, especially BT speakers/headphones that add an average of around 200ms to the audio signal using standard BT.

[@michaelgeorge5436]

Xbox controller comparison of wired/wireless would be awesome. Thanks

[@countbaker5595]

Also normal vs elite vs some cheaper aftermarket ones

[@aftasarden2]

Agreed!

[@mar2ck_]

Also comparing the proprietary wireless in the 1st gen xbox one controllers vs the bluetooth wireless in the newer xbox one/series controllers

[@WalrusFPGA]

you can see detailed reports of the latency differences in most modern controllers, including xbox ones, from porkchop express' MiSTer latency charts. they are all done with 1000hz polling enabled, but this is something you should be able to do on PC as well. its on rpubs dot com, search for that and "misteraddons latency"

[@griffin1366]

They are 125hz so about 8ms? Plugged in is probably the same actually since it's 125hz as well, maybe 1ms lower. Unsure about the latest Xbox Controllers but the PS5 one is 1000hz, so 1ms.

[@Pinkfloyd1173]

Thank you for all your great videos and hard work Chris.

[@johngamez8601]

Awesome testing, although I don't mind the long videos at all this was a nice & quick look into this topic. Going wireless with confidence :D

[@axaro1738]

Hey Chris, nice vid! I'd love to see if different sensors have different sensor latency, 3389 vs 3370 vs 3360 vs 3399 vs Hero would be great.

[@nabawi7]

I just read your farewell announcement Chris. I'm sad that you're no longer able to make new content due to circumstances out of your control but I'm also glad to have be here with you since the beginning of your KZbin journey since the Battlefield 4 days. Your videos have always been top notch quality and I appreciated every second of it. You are very talented and it's very rare to find someone such as yourself who consistently creates top quality KZbin content. I hope everything works out for you and your family and I wish you all the best. Good luck to you and your family and take care of yourself Chris. ♥

[@hi_im_patrick]

Thank you for posting these incredibly informative videos even though you have such a demanding work schedule!! Your love for all things about tech and optimization really shines through, and you're definitely making an impact on our perspective of important subjects. Thank you for all your hard work, and stay healthy always! :)

[@Sly-Jack]

Always the high quality content 💯

[@bharatiyabugha9310]

Hey what's up sly , your contents is great too

[@justin9605]

Thank you, short and concise explanation. Just got a new mouse with all three connection styles, was trying to find the best "wireless" connection, and found your video. ALSO, nice test rig and data set!

[@BleedingUranium]

I'd love to see a wired/wireless Xbox controller comparison one day, if possible. I'll likely stick to wired even if there isn't a significant input delay difference anyway though, as not having to ever deal with batteries as well as zero risk of interference (even if unlikely) is enough for me.

[@sauronsschwert4]

Das video ist super. Nicht zu lang aber alle wichtigen infos sind drinnen! 👍🏻

[@affinity601]

This was too short for my battlenonsense fix personally. I was expecting other mice like logitechs 25k sensor, the 3370 sensor, 3335 sensor, or even endgame gears 1ms algorthim. Love your videos as always and i know this is a fuck ton of work so never disappointed but please make more for us mice nerds :(

[@JAM0LO]

Hope you're doing alright Battlenonsense! Thanks for this video

[@magiricod]

plz do every one of the wireless codecs by logitech and corsair as well.

[@neppe4047]

Make a video dedicated to "interference" please. Tests would likely be less "scientific" but it could still provide a lot of insight.

[@Mozts1]

Thank you, this is an amazing set of tests!

[@lukasbahurinsky3997]

Exactly what I was looking for. I hope you know your work is appreciated :) !

[@tygi]

great video - I like the short ones as well. Only thing missing here is some more devices like a Logitech G Pro.

[@__aceofspades]

Commenting for the YT algo, thanks for another great technical video!

[@AceOfficial]

If you make a list of the top mice and compare them with the click latency and rank them wich mice is the "fastest" you would have a VERYH valuable list that only you can make. I have seen little to no one else make these tests and you are by far the most accurate and best method. PLEASE make a video with this list! Love your stuff I check your channel every day for new videos!

[@jackflash852]

I'm curious about logitechs "lightspeed" wireless stuff. As always thanks for another great in-depth video

[@anejchy]

I like this shorter format more than the normal one. I would like to see some Logitech wireless mice tests in the future!

[@thoreberlin]

Well this is a sample size of one. Would love some testing that confirms if Bluetooth is slower in general. Your own controler test showed the PS4 controllers Bluetooth to be superior to the proprietary xBox connection. Please do a comparison of xBox proprietary 360, one , series, xBox Bluetooth connection, PS3, PS4, PS5 controllers connected to PC and connected to console. It would be the ultimate one source controller lag video.

[@sn8wball]

Perfect timing! I’m just looking at upgrading my mouse

[@PappLacc]

That test was the one i was waiting for :) i have a Viper ultimate and i was always curious how much delay it adds in wireless mode. The 1ms is basically nothing, i'm happy with that :)

Damn, that Zarya gameplay was beastmode on, that second grav was super fast.

[@PayneDeathz]

Great and straightforward! Thanks for the info! I bet it took you a long time to do this and I really appreciate it

[@christians9532]

your videos are what everyone wants. love them. thank you

[@The-Oldest-Dream]

Great video. This channel deserves more subs!

[@Capatron1]

it would be great to test if more wireless devices (keyboard, phone, headsets, controllers) affect the input lag or not, due to the extra interference. Thanks for the high quality video

[@96Phenix]

Great video, straight to the point!

[@Mr._MN10]

Thx. Yes, please more tests of different wireless mice. Model O, Finalmouse, Logitech etc. Wireless vs Wired. Very interesting and helpfull.

[@nemohunter87]

Would love to see a video showing all of todays top wireless mouse latency. Wonder how the orochi v2 stacks up!

[@misaalanshori]

You should test how wireless interferences affect wireless performance. Maybe fill the room with 2.4GHz devices, other wireless mouses, bluetooth headset and watches, Wifi access points, wireless remote controls and maybe also put a microwave somewhere in there

[@TAkkTikkA]

Bluetooth wireless mode: Hah! Latency goes **brrrrrrrrrt!**

[@hoffer_moment]

For anyone wanting to test at home the sensor's impact on total system latency, something simple I did to test mouse sensor latency is this: I put the mouse on its back and put a tiny piece of paper on its sensor and then shot a quick blast or air at the paper. A 240fps camera (Samsung Galaxy S7 slow-mo mode) showed 0 frames between the paper resting and 'gone', and recorded in the same shot was my monitor in the game I was testing for. Hardest part is putting the footage in a video editor to go frame by frame and count the number of frames between paper movement and the beginning of the transition from one monitor picture to the next (this was on a 60Hz screen, at 144Hz it's much easier) The lower the refresh rate of the monitor, the larger the discrepancy between samples, so generally to get true-ish latency of the hardware itself you'll look at the lowest result, but for total system latency (game rendering etc) this isn't really accurate because there can be many factors affecting the delay of the output of a frame (especially in the Source engine, yeeks). Plus, a 240fps camera isn't that much, but it should at least give you more than a general idea.

[@Trainer_Orange]

Love your straight and to the point videos, this is super interesting to me and it's refreshing to have it delivered in a non ltt copycat manner.

[@Trr1ppy]

I was using the g502 wired and am now using the g502 wireless, would love to see a comparison video of both

[@delcatsbrooo9941]

Brilliant video! Kudos

[@dcv2009]

Surprisingly good results from wireless operation. I'm still sticking with wired though :D

[@T3Knical5urg3]

Why is this channel not required content for the tech/gamer crowd? So many youtubers have insisted wireless is identical without any testing.

[@zero_day_virus]

Wow, very detailed! Love it, keep it up

[@imessential6368]

i switched over from wired to wireless mouse about 6 months ago. the wire always had a pull and it made it really hard to be accurate. plus i had to move everything behind the mouse so the cable doesn’t get stuck. plus it was an extra wire in my setup. i decided to buy the same mouse but wireless and give it a chance... and my opinion is i love it. i love the wireless mouse but there is some flaws. just like you said any device can lose signal and maybe it’s just mine but i do lose signal at least once or twice a week. for a couple seconds only. overall i don’t feel like the input lag is bad as i still do just as good as i used to. but sometimes it does just feel off for me. anyways i recommend trying it out for yourself. i would say yes

[@keppycs]

Great content as always! Would love to see a follow up with Logitech's mice of you have the time :)

[@michaelgeorge5436]

Top tier content as always. Thanks Chris

[@j4ckcalico]

This is great, if you can provide an extensive comparison between different mouse brands that would be awesome!

[@boanerv]

is the wireless dongle directly connected to the PC or do you connect the wireless dongle to a cable so it is closer to the mouse?

[@Lunak-89]

Great Content like always

[@fabiofps4055]

I wold love a comparison between the wired and wireless mode in some of Logitech mice

[@RADICAL_RIDER]

mich würde mal interessieren wie viel ms delay man mit einem WLAN-System gegenüber einem Kabel-System hat. ( I would be interested in how much ms delay one has with a WLAN system compared to a cable system)

[@Tech419z]

What about wireless and wired headphones? I just stay wired completely but I’d like to see how well wireless headsets have gotten.

[@hsiang-fanlee4930]

plz test more brands different sensor comparison

[@mnemonicabyss]

FWIW, the logitech wireless advertisement claims that the response time of wireless is faster than their corded products. They just offer both for those that do not want a wireless whatsoever. I'd be curious if that was accurate or not, I myself have a Wireless logitech G403 and its been pretty incredible.

[@fraizie6815]

You can test the interference performance by using the mouse on top of a running microwave. The stray microwave radiation escaping the microwave tends to slightly mess with 2.4 GHz connections. When I use my wireless headset near it running, I do hear static noise.

[@demitsuru]

After few years i am back for the bf6 content :)

[@joelpatches7027]

Awesome I could feel this difference but couldn't tell if BT is supposed to be smother or not because it totally was not

[@majkooll]

Great video but why not add comparisons for popular 400dpi?

[@JustusS2036]

Thing is the lighter weight and the better consistency with flicks and tracking that comes from removing the wire will make you much more then 1ms 'faster' or 'better'

[@Gidrah]

Oh cool a test using my mouse! I'll take a couple MS delay tradeoff for wireless.

[@Xeogin]

I'd be interested in a consistency test of various manufacturer low latency wireless tech. I know it'd be tough to get a good testing methodology, but the usefulness of the data, even if fundamentally flawed seem too valuable to pass up.

[@StingrayOfficial]

(message to one of your viewers) Hi A_Seagull, hope you are doing well man, we miss you!

[@StingrayOfficial]

@cas curse I am just a huge fan of the bird and he introduced me to this awesome channel, just passing some love.

[@noidm6022]

Very informative video! If you ever get your hands on the new Finalmouse (starlight 12), many would like to see a similar test!

[@SteveEricJordan]

i love the short and focused approach!

[@vladislavkaras491]

Really great video! This is stunning how you test it. Meanwhile nowadays 2.4GHz wireless mouse are getting almost the same latency as cable ones, I wonder how practically (!) Bluetooth mouse feels different. For sure, from the tests they have more latency, but is it real "feelable" when you play? Thanks for short and informative video!

[@DSDSDS1235]

Would love to see this test for keyboards as well. There are very few wireless mech keyboard options, and a lot of the otherwise good ones are on bluetooth.

[@kamipls6790]

Thx battle dipshittery 👍 Another great job and good advice for future purchases.

[@RumenPBRUHMM]

Would be nice to see how Logitech, Glorious and Finalmeme (if you can get your hands on one) wireless techs compare to Razer and to wired in general.

[@Woot-Zee]

Logitegh G305 would be amazing too.. Cheap mouse, very low powered. The battery holds for weeks. :D Thank you for your time! :)

[@lamcho00]

Hi Chris I think it would be nice to see how current mouse latency review is stacking up against your previous reviews. Much like how Top Gear used to rank car lap times and list the best to worst in a column. I'm sure this will also influence producers to optimize for low latency products in the future.

[@PJBrunet]

Would like to see the same test using different bluetooth versions and different bluetooth adapters. Also how laggy does BT feel for non-gaming work?

[@Mische2k]

Very interesting. I always expected the delay with wireless to be much higher compared to a wired mouse.

[@D3R3bel]

It hasn't really been the case for quite a long time now. I used to belive the same, but then I got my hands on my first Logitech wireless and there was not tangible difference. I still aimed the same and everything. What changed was the fact that my mouse now had alot more consistency because I could do odd angles and large movements without wire tug which was a godsend

[@Mische2k]

@@D3R3bel Interesting. I am a boomer gamer. Wireless was kinda useless for shooters for a long time. So i never came to the idea to try out a newer mouse. This video changed my mind.

[@skjetnis]

wish you included a polling rate of 500 as an example. Since in a short clip on Optimumtech, a polling rate of 500 had a very minor effect on input lag,(ca. 1ms) but for me, it has increased the battery life significantly.

[@_Hal9000]

Cool. +1 Do you have tested a mouse with Ps2 connector?

[@camy_dev]

Thank you, I have a controller that has a 2.4 wireless dongle but also supports bluetooth and was wondering which I should use. Seems it's 2.4 for the win

[@LMBroadcasting]

some day I would love to see a comparison between wired and wireless headsets

[@ninhbac04]

It would be great to see popular wirless mice to get tested like, corsair, g pro super light and others

[@saturnotaku]

I would like to know if connecting your mouse to a USB hub (AC and bus powered) has an appreciable impact on input latency.

[@daniyarassylbekov1532]

500hz seems to have more stable frequencies and less fluctuation than 1000hz. So is there less input lag switching directions on 500hz vs 1000hz?

[@HazardousMoose]

This kind of content for us viewers is certainly top notch, I hope it also works out for you as a creator.

[@fredrickolshausen531]

Just brilliant, thanks!

[@n1kobg]

Yes, its 0,5 -1ms difference for wired vs wireless. Bluetooh is for powersaving. I thought u made a similar video showing these results with exception of bluetooth? Anyway. My DPI is 1800 and 1 in game for years but I also test differend combinations. Im wondering if there is a difference when only changing the DPI and keep 0 or 1 in game vs raising the ingame sensitivity, since in many games ingame sensitivity is a multiplayer of the DPI? I would love to see a video or at least an answer to that question. (When ingame sens is 0 some games drastically lower the mouse sensitivity and you can go higher than 2000-2500 DPI).

[@shtiken]

Would the results from wireless be significantly different if I were sitting a few feet away and there are other devices connected to Wifi in the vicinity?

[@soulshinobi]

Time to compare the top 20 wireless mice!

[@iknowyounot88]

Long awaited!

[@jaberjeni8084]

great one , I would love to see key switches delay (silver vs red vs blue)

[@finnliam]

Thank you for the informative video, I was wondering if I should use BT or the 2.4gh on my new wireless Razor mouse. Now I know

[@colin8949]

Excellent, thank you.

[@KeinZantezuken]

This is NOT mouse delay, this is MOUSE + SYSTEM delay. And while there is nothing wrong with this measurement as drivers can actually affect performance significantly (but so are USB ports and motherboard, watch Rocket Science's latest gamepad testing video) and you WANT to have this metric on the same system as baseline -- it is IMPORTANT to note that this is total delay, not dry mice delay. It would be nice if you could upgrade your setup, get Arduino for example, and add dry mice delay to your testing so you can test different mice in vacuum and find out its own base delay as well. This way you can compare different mice for performance, I bet that controller on this mice that switches between modes also incurs some penalty to perf.

[@electromaniacal]

Hey Chris, did you know that Overwatch seems to have a mouse click indicator built into the game now? Check the Video settings and enable "Flash Indicator." It flashes a little white square on the left of the display when you click the mouse. Might be useful for testing.

[@delta3244]

That is only useful for measuring certain things. It would not help in this case, for example, because the measurement included time from mouse click to computer response.

[@colt0777]

I would love to see the latency comparison between the most popular keyboards

[@Your_Paramour]

Is interference a common problem for these high end wireless mice?

[@Purely0wnt]

coming from a g703 user, have yet to have any interference in my year of using the mouse. Did have a faulty switch though causing double click.

[@syarifairlangga4608]

i have Logitech G603. the bluetooth mode is look like jittering or missing some movement. while in RF mode, its very smooth. i also have Lenovo 600 mouse, it have hi-end microsoft swift pair bluetooth. still have so many missing movement. i think its just bluetooth limitation even in BT 5.0 mode. each version might increase bandwith but not the latency

[@R3TR0J4N]

Had a Deathadder V2, its somewhat annoying and getting use to it, to taking a time for the cables to get used being bend on that particular spot.

[@troik]

a good look at a razer mouse, but coming into this reading the title, I would have liked to see a few other mice as well. namely Logitech of course. E.g. Logitech G502 vs. G903 maybe (on and off the charging pad)